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Confronting Evil - April 9th, Hour 2
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So Donald Trump is, would you agree with this statement that he is in a perpetual, never-ending state of negotiation?
Yes, everything he does is a transaction.
Okay.
And if you negotiate an interview with him and you say you want an hour, he's going to offer you 20 minutes or 30 minutes, correct or not?
Not for me, but for everybody else.
Oh, don't be, he will for you because he negotiates with everybody.
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I'm the best in the world, crap, for just a second.
Just one second.
That's all I'm asking.
All right, but he will negotiate the time with you if you ask for a lot of time, right?
Yeah, he wants to control the situation.
Okay.
All right.
Different way of saying it.
So Donald Trump shocks the world and he announces because the world has been ripping us off.
That's not an issue in dispute.
That's not an issue in question.
It's gone on for 50 to 60 years.
It is what the establishment institutionalized people have simply accepted.
Will you agree with this next statement that he is an iconoclast that thinks out of the box and does not think like any conventional politician?
Will you agree with that?
Yes, but there's a reason why he doesn't think that way.
Okay.
And continue.
He's not a politician.
Fair enough.
That's the essence of when you analyze Donald Trump and I wrote the United States of Trump, the best book you'll ever read on the man.
He has no interest in politics.
So unlike the senators that you had on your program last night you interviewed and you're going to have on the radio today, I understand.
He's not looking at it from a political point of view, which is, if I say this, is it going to help or hurt me?
He doesn't do that.
All right.
What he does is he brings in a very personal sense of right and wrong.
And then he acts on that personal belief system.
So from the very beginning of his foray into public policy, he believed the United States was getting hosed in almost every deal made with foreign nations.
He has never wavered from that.
And in his first term, he dabbled in it, but then the COVID diverted away.
But now he's got four years where he can right that wrong.
And he believes that it is wrong, morally wrong, for the world to hose us economically.
All right.
Now I'm going to ask you to go into Bill O'Reilly and what Bill O'Reilly thinks.
You agree that we're being screwed, ripped off, taken advantage of, and frankly abused.
There's no doubt even our allied countries, Germany, for example, the European Union, India, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, they've all been ripping us off with their tariffs and charging massive amounts of money to American companies, hurting American manufacturers, hurting American workers.
There's no dispute on that issue, correct?
Yeah, because they know they can get away with it.
Well, they know they could get away with it.
So Donald Trump had to make the world, and just follow my logic and see at any point if you disagree, tell me you disagree.
So Donald Trump goes out there with reciprocal tariffs plus.
He started with reciprocal tariffs, then he started kind of adding, yeah, but we may still keep a tariff on you because we give you billions of dollars in aid, et cetera, et cetera.
Or we don't like that you don't control your borders or we don't like that you don't pay your fair share to NATO, et cetera, et cetera.
And he got the world's attention to the point that 75 nations are begging.
And Bill, I know this to be a fact.
They're not asking.
They're begging to make a deal with him right now.
So that results in his announcement earlier today that because these countries want deals, he's put a 90-day pause and substantially lowered reciprocal tariffs during this period to 10% immediately.
And the stock market went insane because, you know, because of him saying, oh, finally, oh.
But here's the problem, Bill.
I knew that this was coming the whole time because I know he's a never-ending negotiator.
I know that he is transactional.
I know that he needed to get the world's attention to make sure that they understood that this was real.
Am I wrong in my analysis?
A little bit.
I hate when you say that.
Go ahead.
There are factors beyond Donald Trump's control.
As I just said, he wants to control the playing field, whether it's an interview request or anything else.
He wants to have the deciding word and how it all comes out.
So when he announced this tariff war, and that's what it is, the markets and the people of the United States reacted adversely to it.
He was not expecting, he was expecting criticism, but he wasn't expecting the specter of his whole administration wobbling.
Once he understood that that was the reality, then he went to plan B. Remember, he's got plan right through K.
And plan B was, I'll take care of the big dog, the one that's the real offender, China.
But I'll let the others, I'll cut them some slack for the sake of calming the American people.
And that's what happened today.
Okay.
This is where I think you're wrong.
I think he knew that the world would react this way.
And once he locked them into a state of complete fear of annihilation, and once he let them know that this is real, and they had to react the way they reacted, which is we're begging for a deal.
No, we understand we've gotten away with murder, and those days are over.
The Prime Minister of Great Britain actually said globalization is over.
And Great Britain was kind of ahead of the curve because they got out of the EU, and that's what Brexit was all about.
And I think that remember, Bill, he did telegraph that this would happen.
He did say repeatedly there's going to be short-term pain.
It's not like the decline in the stock market took him by surprise.
He expected it.
But the American people didn't expect it, not all at once.
Well, they weren't listening to him then because he was very clear it was going to happen.
But he wasn't clear about how it would come down.
He was clear about what was going to happen, but not how.
So he used shock and awe instead of a slower rollout.
And that spooked the American public.
There's a difference between the American public's reaction and foreign reaction.
All right.
Now, if you're right, and you could be because we're both theorizing here, then Donald Trump did not relate what you just said to his primary economic advisors, all of whom have given different points of view to the press.
Yeah, that was getting a little comical at some point.
It was getting ridiculously comical.
He did not explain to them his vision of how this was going to come down.
And so they were uneasy, all of them, were answering questions.
So you had the bull guy, Navarro, then you had Elon Musk who's calling Navarro names.
Then you had the Treasury Secretary who is a little unsteady.
So Trump did not call them all in and say, here's a chart.
Here's what we're going to do.
But that isn't unusual for him because he is an entity unto himself.
And anybody who works for Donald Trump knows that.
It's not a democracy inside the world.
Here's the thing.
And this is what makes me happy about this.
And what makes me happy is I don't want anybody's 401k to go down.
But I also don't want America to be taken advantage of.
And I do believe it took a little shock and awe to get the world's attention.
And I think that we're going to accomplish everything at once.
And more importantly, there are also huge national security implications to making semiconductors here, for example, making pharmaceuticals here, for example, to prevent Mexico from taking Nissan and Honda automobile plants and bringing them back to the U.S.
I think it's a big deal, the $500 billion from Apple.
I've gone through the list of countries that have pledged investments over the next four years, countries and companies.
And it's over $7 trillion, Bill.
And so that's a major win that nobody's factored in at this particular point.
And I just think he played it brilliantly.
And I do understand.
And I sat here biting my tongue every day.
Linda, she was in Washington with us yesterday and Sweet Baby James.
I told both of them, guys, this is going to come to a quick end.
He's getting the result that he wants.
The result that he wanted was to get these countries' attention and for them to understand that there's going to be a new normal, and this is the new normal.
Maybe.
O'Reilly, why do you doubt me after all these years?
You know I'm smart.
I mean, you know, there's a reason you have me on a program.
He's got to watch some pharmaceutical stuff.
Americans are not a micro economist, and they're not even macro economists.
They don't follow this.
They don't understand it.
And I'm not being super silly, it's word of the day.
What they understand is their own lives.
And when they see their 401ks and their stock portfolios going down, they don't like it.
If the pharmaceutical tariffs drive up the cost of medicine that could happen, Donald Trump is going to have to make another plan B. You cannot inflict pain on your populist for a global vision that'll play out in four years.
It's impossible, and it won't happen.
Now, you are correct in the sense that Trump has a grand plan.
And the grand plan has nothing to do with Germany or Italy or any of those countries.
It has to do with China.
It looks like Trump is going to get a lot of what he wants in the trade arena.
He's going to take that power, that increased economic power, and he's going to confront Beijing with it.
Because China, above all else, needs American markets.
They have to sell their stuff here.
No one's going to buy it in Russia or Saudi Arabia.
They've got to sell it at Walmart.
So Trump is accumulating economic power in order to diminish the power of the communists in Beijing.
I completely think that you've nailed this.
And I think that China needs access to our markets.
And I've been saying this now for some time.
And like, this is where he had an ace in the hole.
And the ace in the hole is every one of these countries, when push comes to shove, if those tariffs stayed in place, that would then hurt their economies.
That would hurt their manufacturing.
That would hurt their workers.
And is there going to be some adjustment on their end because they've had a free ride for a long time?
Yeah, but I don't really give a damn about them, especially considering the fact that they've taken advantage of us for such a long period of time, Bill.
I don't feel sorry for them either.
It's going to be a major adjustment.
It should work to the long-term advantage of the American economy.
But Donald Trump, as president, has to keep an eye on day-to-day.
And those drug prices, those pharmaceutical tariffs, you have got to manage that because senior citizens cannot pay any more for medicine in this country.
And the last point I'm going to make is you are never going to get a conversation like we're having right now on any other outlet, particularly television in this country.
You are not going to get it.
You are going to get Trump's the devil.
Whatever Trump is doing is bad.
Oh, you're right.
Bam.
You're right.
Bam, bam, bam.
Well, that takes a toll.
It takes a toll.
He can give as many speeches as he wants.
It takes a toll, Bill, but if it really took a toll, how did he win the election considering they went so hard in the paint before the election?
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Nazi, fascist, racist.
And it didn't work, did it, Bill?
No, because people were feeling pain in their personal lives.
And that's what Donald Trump has to avoid doing.
He cannot do the same thing that Biden did.
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All right, so for a week, he put America through a degree of uncertainty to get to this new normal, as I'm calling it, and putting everybody in line and letting them know the days of ripping America off are over.
I think for one week it was worth it.
Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong there.
It just has to be managed.
Wait, wait, let's stop right there.
We finally got O'Reilly to say Hannity's right.
Why don't you say the words?
Hannity's right.
Why don't I cut off my toes?
Oh, man.
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I don't have to sit around in a circle while everybody checks their phones.
Linda, you ever notice that?
You're with a group of people.
Everyone's checking their phone the whole time.
We have a no-phone policy, personally.
You have a no-phone policy.
I can't live without my phone.
Well, when we do dinner, we put it away.
I never had family dinner growing up.
I just didn't.
It's not how I'm going to do it.
I'm talking about now.
Like, if you go out to dinner, you know what I mean?
If I take my kids out to dinner, I'm checking my phone.
I don't care.
Really?
Well, see, I won't do that.
I actually put it like under my leg and it vibrates when it goes off, and I check my phone.
Why do I expect a response at all hours of the day and night from everybody on our team if it's important?
Now, when I'm sending stories at 5 a.m., what time did I last send you a story this morning?
Like 5 a.m.
5:22.
Okay.
I don't expect you to respond to that, but if I wrote call me now, I would expect a call.
Yes, but you see, the difference is I have a special ring for you and a special alert for you.
So when you know, no, no, it's much worse.
We've played it before, it's obnoxious, but I can't miss it.
But everybody else, I'll silence during any kind of meal or show.
Okay, but how often that is so rare that you're going to get that call?
Very rare.
And if I do make that call, if it's rare, but you know, when you say it's going to spoil you, but it's that's very rare if I'm going to call at 5 a.m.
I'm not calling at 5 a.m.
I'm not waking you and your family up because that'll wake up the whole freaking neighborhood, whatever that sound is.
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All right, but you want to play?
You can play it.
You have to text me.
Go ahead and text me.
You want me to play?
And I'll play it into the mic.
Okay.
You ready?
Hey.
All right.
There.
Oh, my gosh.
What if I ring you?
Let me see.
What happens if I call it?
It repeats.
Go ahead.
Cool.
Hang on.
I'm listening to it.
I'll turn my...
I mean, it makes me sound like so evil, but I don't contact you that way.
I just send stories.
You can't miss your call.
So if I miss your call, it's a problem.
So there's something.
If Adam Schiff is hitting the fan for whatever reason, which has happened occasionally over the years, I need my team in place.
That's all there is to it.
That's part of the job.
100%.
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There you go.
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You're big in the thank yous.
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Thank you for saying thank you.
In light of today's news and the fact that Donald Trump, oh, gee, shocked the world.
True or false, did I not tell you yesterday, off air, watch what he's about to do?
Once he got up to over 70 nations that were begging to make a deal, I said, watch what you're going to do.
I said, and did I not call this exactly how it went down?
No, 100%.
I mean, we talked about it yesterday.
You know, the mics were down and we were on commercial break and you were just like, listen, things are about to hit the fan.
He's about to really do a big pivot and nobody knows what's coming.
I was like, all right.
Right.
And by the way, I didn't say that from any specific knowledge that I had from him or anybody else.
It's because I know him and I just know how his mind works.
Well, if you've ever read The Art of the Deal, which I keep on my desk, because I'm like, okay, page 34, what's going to happen next?
I mean, he really does, he's a very, very smart businessman.
And I think that's the difference between him and the swamp, aka the word of the day.
There's a big difference between them because none of those people have run businesses for the most part.
And I mean, with the exception of AOC, to Kennedy's point, you know, who needs the directions on the back of a shampoo bottle, she was a bartender.
So it's like, you know, the bar set pretty low.
Why are you trashing bartenders?
I was a bartender.
So was I.
But I'll tell you what, when I was a bartender, I was getting my MBA and I was trying to learn about business and how to do business.
And I tell you, I was not living my best life.
Let me put it that way.
Exactly.
17, 18 years old.
It's a stepping stone.
I was flirting with anybody that would flirt back with me, and I was probably drinking too much.
All right, let's go to the before this announcement of Trump today and before the stock market goes crazy and rebounds in a crazy way.
Joyless Behar, Sonny Houston, this is their predictions of doom and gloom.
They have no desire after 10 years to even contemplate or understand in any way that Donald Trump is the quintessential never-ending negotiator.
First of all, if he tanks the entire economy, nothing is the stock market.
Not all his billionaire friends can swoop in and buy everything.
Well, that's not an original idea.
That's Hakeem Jeffries said that.
And the other thing, and in fact, today on Truth Social, he wrote, Trump wrote, a great time to buy.
The other theory is from James Carville, which I think is interesting, that he wants to soak such instability and chaos to consolidate power for himself so that people start to really go nuts, which we're starting to.
No, we're not.
Well, people are starting to get mad.
Well, that's good.
You want them to get mad.
But how mad will people get?
And how broke will people get?
And how many jobs will be lost?
And then he can say, well, there's too much chaos, and now we're going to have martial law in this country.
And he becomes a dictator.
I mean, I don't know.
That may be out of the bounds.
It is possible.
But it's possible.
We went from the envy of the world to the enemy of the world.
Yes, you said that.
I don't know who said that, but what I will say, when you, from my perspective, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, no country can count on America anymore.
They're going to ice us out economically.
We're going to be on our own because they're not going to be able to depend on a country that every four years could nominate, could elect a dictator.
They can't rely upon us.
I mean, can they be any more wrong?
And by the way, did you notice that Joyless sounds like you, audience?
Everybody in the audience.
Anyway, let's not go down that road.
Let's go.
I cannot believe you just compared me to Joyless Behar.
What have I done to deserve this?
No, just for kicks and giggles.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
Let's see.
Noella is in the great state of Hawaii paradise.
What's up, Noella?
How are you?
Aloha, Sean.
I took a gander and just dialed the number, and your lovely lady answered, I am over the moon.
Thank you.
I'm glad you got through.
Listen, I live in Paradise too.
I live in Florida.
As far as I'm concerned, they're comparable.
I've been to Hawaii only once, but I loved it.
Yeah, my brother went to that show that you did here.
And a lot of my friends did too.
Yeah, we would love to see you and the president come to Hawaii because we are so forgotten out here.
I'm a warrior, a patriot woman, a patriotic wahine.
And I just keep telling everybody, stay patient.
He knows what he's doing.
He knows what he's doing.
Things are not going to happen overnight.
They're going to happen, but we just got to hold the line, stay patient.
But what I would ask of you, Mr. Hannity and Linda, and everybody out there, please pray for us out here.
This is so deep blue.
It's beyond me.
And the things that they're doing, I keep an eye on our legislature.
I go on the Zoom meetings.
I go down there.
The rallies against all of this were just obnoxious, and our representatives were just being so because they were not representing the aloha of the people of Hawaii.
And so thank you so, so much.
And keep me in your Rolodex, Cindy.
Do you want weekly updates?
You just give me a call.
I will tell you, you know, what's going on over here because we feel so forgotten because we're out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, Sean, you know, and we just need some better representation.
And we're trying, but there's a lot of problems over here.
But for me, today's a great day.
I get to talk to you.
Linda, thank you so much for keeping that guy in line.
Katie, what a wonderful.
Oh, good grief.
Please, no suck it up to the staff.
That's not allowed.
Let me tell you something.
This isn't even a suck up.
I am a huge fan of this warrior woman.
And you know what?
To pay homage to her, I think we should do a remote in Hawaii.
It's called homage.
You want me to take the show to Hawaii?
Yeah, that'll keep me in touch with the show.
The time difference alone means we're doing the show at 9 a.m.
We did that in Singapore.
No, we did it at 9 p.m., I think, is when we did it.
But I'm saying, I did TV.
We did it at 9 a.m.
I think you're right.
Because it was 12 hours.
I know I'm right.
I know.
It's painful for you to say.
You're right.
Yeah, 9 a.m.
I remember walking out in Singapore and I went out of an air-conditioned room.
It was not only daylight, I'd be soaking wet because of the humidity in 30 seconds.
Oh my God.
It was so funny.
And I was sweat like that.
They had to put it in.
It's nicer in Hawaii, though.
Much nicer.
All right.
We appreciate it, Noella.
God bless you.
Try to get back to our phones.
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Anyway, back to our busy phones.
All right.
I'll do this.
I'll do this.
I'll take a hit for the team.
Mo, the liberal in New York and Brooklyn.
Hey, Mo, the liberal in New York.
You're never going to leave Brooklyn, are you?
I just came back, excuse me, from Boca Raton.
I was down there visiting my granddaughter.
Well, your granddaughter has more sense than you.
What's on your mind?
Well, you know, listen, I just want to tell you.
Why don't you just say it?
Hannity, you were right about Trump.
He pulled off a brilliant negotiation move, and we're all better off because of it.
And America's not going to ripped off, going to get ripped off.
And all you left-wing lunatics were wrong, and you panic for no reason.
Why don't you just admit it?
Oh, mayor Cooper, Maya Cooper, Maya Maxima Cooper.
Sean, I'll take it.
I have everything.
I don't need anything.
So it's not really affecting me.
So I feel sorry for the little people, though.
The Walmart shoppers, the major.
Hang on.
The little people that are not going to get ripped off by tariffs by other nations because now the negotiations really begin.
You know, every country on earth, do you think they should be ripping us off and taking advantage of us like this?
I'm sick of it.
Why are they charging us tariffs and we don't charge them tariffs?
Why is the European Union doing it?
Why is Germany put a 30% ad on our automobile sticker price?
No way.
I'm not putting up with this crap.
Sean, Sean, one thing.
American cars are too big for the roads in Europe.
We got to do we make small cars.
You ought to love me.
I'm driving a Tesla and I'm giving away a Tesla.
I bet you like free stuff.
You probably signed up every day.
Every day I get up, I wait for the password.
No, I haven't signed up, actually.
No, I gave up driving last year.
I'm 75.
I get the world, the world's better off without you on the road.
Oh, you're right, Sean.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But I love Florida.
I can't wait to get back.
My granddaughter, Vaxine Ray, is beautiful.
And the kids are.
I'm happy for you.
I just want to anoint her.
You know, a conservative, you know, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Is that okay?
Amen.
I won't.
Wow.
I just hanitized your granddaughter.
All right, Mo.
I don't know why I like you, but I like you.
All these years you've been calling me.
You're the best, pal.
Absolutely the best.
All right.
We appreciate you.
Mo the lib from New York, from Brooklyn.
They're about to elect Andrew Cuomo, the mayor.
God help you.
Sean, don't you think that Mo the Liberal sounds like Columbo?
Do you remember Columbo, the show?
Of course I remember Columbo, the show.
It wasn't my favorite, but I remember.
What's his name?
What are you going to bring up?
Perry Mason, and not one young person will know what you're talking about.
I don't know what Perry Mason is, but my parents watched Columbo.
And I thought it was hysterical.
Anyways.
Mo the Liberal sounds like the quintessential Brooklyn, New York liberal.
No, but his voice, like the scratchiness of it, he just cracks me up.
Anyways, he loves you, so he's a sweetie.
I mean, New York, you watch all these 75-year-old people.
They can barely walk in the freezing cold in the middle of winter.
I'm like, what's wrong with you people?
There are other places to live.
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