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If you want to be a part of the program, President Trump, as we pointed out, Gallup, CBS, the Reuters poll, and so many others, you know, show Donald Trump with record approval ratings.
And 70% in the CBS poll saying, yeah, he's doing exactly what he told us he was going to do.
And in the high 60s, people supporting the president's deportation plan and his plan to secure the border wall.
And as more Americans become familiarized with all of the waste, fraud, and abuse and corruption surrounding, you know, tens and tens of billions of dollars being discovered by Doge and by Elon Musk, I think they're becoming more grateful every day.
You know, here's Elon Musk talking about, you know, how deep they plan to go, and that means delete entire agencies and remove the roots of the weed.
And he said this at the World Government Summit.
Well, I think we do need to delete entire agencies as opposed to leave part of them behind.
Because if you leave part of them behind, it's easy.
It's kind of like leaving a weed.
If you don't remove the roots of the weed, then it's easy for the weed to grow back.
But if you remove the roots of the weed, it doesn't stop weeds from ever going back, but it makes it harder.
So we have to really delete entire agencies.
Now, if you look at the tens of billions of dollars, what are they spending it on?
The radicalized environmental agenda.
They're spending it on DEI programs.
They're spending it on transgenderism worldwide.
They're spending it on woke programs worldwide, LGBTQ plus initiatives.
Now, simultaneously, you think about what that money could otherwise be spent for.
Well, number one, we could start paying down our debt.
Let's start there.
We could make sure that Social Security and Medicare are shored up and they are not headed towards insolvency.
We can make our borders more secure.
It could help pay for the deportations of all of these Harris Biden illegals that have entered our country, many of which are known terrorists, cartel members, gang members, known murderers and rapists.
And we can make our cities and towns more safe and secure.
We can improve our school system.
We can improve law and order and we can hire more police.
If nothing else, we can give the American people when all is said and done and we have a final number.
How much would every American get back in terms of a tax cut if we just gave it to them directly?
The average American, you got to remember, only makes $66,000 a year.
The national debt is close to $40 trillion.
It's insane.
Anyway, so this is like the teaming of the dynamic duo of pollsters.
They've nailed 2016, 2020, and 2024.
Matt Towery of Insider Advantage, Robert Cahaley of the Trafalgar Group, and they co-host Polling Plus on a podcast, and they decided to team up.
I don't know if it's the first time that they've done it, but the first time that I can recall, and dig down deep into President Trump's poll numbers, what the American people are thinking.
And, you know, as they become familiarized more and more, I think, with what the work that Elon Musk is doing, they're going to ignore all of the vitriol, the hatred, and the hyperbole and the outright lying that the Democrats have been doing regarding Elon Musk.
Anyway, welcome back, Matt Towery, Robert Cahaley.
Glad to have you.
Thank you.
All right, Matt, start with you.
What is your poll showing?
Because other polls have been showing record high approval ratings for Donald Trump.
Last I saw, I think you have him plus nine from where he was.
Well, they were.
We're in a polling public opinion war right now, Sean, that's much bigger than most people even in D.C. understand because there's a big desire to see Donald Trump down in his favorables and approvals and for Musk to look like he's a disaster.
And in fact, today, two new polls came out from Marquette University, highly ranked by 538.
Happen to miss their own.
By the way, does 538 do any polling?
Or they just analyze the pollsters and they ignore their success, their record of success like you and Robert.
Well, they analyze this, but then they put all kinds of little constraints.
And they have, I think we're ranked, you know, way, way, way down there.
Marquette, which missed their own state, they're a law school, obviously.
Well, let me ask you this question.
Between the two of you, were you not in the top three in 2016, 2020, and 2024?
Because my recollection is you were.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, Real Clear Politics does a real live, just doesn't put their thumb on the scale.
They just simply say, okay, who had the least amount of error?
And Robert and I, our firms, have been in the top three, I want to say, in the last three, well, I don't know about this cycle.
I think we'll probably be in the top three this time, certainly, or the top four, each and every cycle.
But they don't care about that, Sean.
They want to convince the public that our polls are no good.
So we get weighted.
When they do an average of a presidential approval, we get weighted way down.
And these other things like economists came out today.
Oh, Trump is behind.
He's suddenly upside down in his approval rating.
Marquette, oh, Trump is upside down in his approval rating.
Now, these are pollsters who did not get these presidential cycles right.
But they want you to believe they're the best pollsters, so you need to listen to them.
It is a war, and certainly against Elon Musk, where we have Musk up by four or five points nationally.
They said among Republicans, he had his losing support.
Almost 80% of Republicans support what Elon Musk is doing.
They're asking the wrong question.
They don't ask if you approve or disapprove of Elon Musk like we did.
Instead, they ask, should Elon Musk have so much power?
That's a subjective thing, and it's designed to get people to say no.
Well, that's been the talking point.
He's unelected.
I'm like, of course he's unelected.
He wasn't on the ballot.
Neither was any one of Trump's cabinet officials.
Oh, absolutely.
No doubt.
And Robert's found the same thing.
We're very frustrated about it because the questions are oftentimes, in my opinion, manipulated.
And thus, you get bad numbers.
What's your take, Robert?
The questions are pushing people in a direction.
They have an agenda.
I mean, Matt says it very well.
It's very simple.
If you fail at polling elections, why should we listen to you when it comes to polling presidential approval or Elon Musk?
I mean, that's the problem.
We've got groups out there who literally, the only task we get comes every two years or every four years, and they continue to fail.
And yet, even all these media outlets turn to them like they're the experts.
I mean, it really is, it's just hard to believe, but this credibility is what is given to them.
And they'll do it again this cycle, and they do it year after year.
They just don't do what they do well, and yet they keep getting elevated, and people listen to them, and their opinions are based on what these people say and the public opinion is, and it's not true.
And both of you, and I'll go back to Matt on this, both of you were seeing this momentum shift towards Donald Trump that didn't stop.
And I know because I checked in with both of you often, I also did something that most people in the media didn't do every day, early voting.
I was getting updates because that's public information.
I was getting updates about the turnout, and I was getting updates about what areas were turning out, which would be more inclined to vote Republican or Democrat.
And I was seeing a trend in all seven swing states that were Kamala Harris was way down.
She started Election Day, for example, in Pennsylvania, down 700,000 votes from where Biden was.
And all day long I checked in with Allegheny County and the Philly suburbs, and they were not having the record turnout that she would have needed for her to come back and win Pennsylvania.
And she was down 45%, for example, in Wisconsin.
And it's like this information is available, Matt, but nobody accessed it.
I know Mark Halford did.
I know I did.
I know you did.
But everybody else seemed to ignore it.
Yeah, Sean, you were smart to go check those things.
And, of course, when we weight our polls, we have to weigh it based on what we anticipate to turn out to be.
And use past history.
And then if you say a change, it might change your weighting a little bit as to what demographics are not turning out as much as they did, say, in 2020.
We did that as much as we could while making sure that we kept his history in place.
You know what happened to us when we did that?
When we showed Trump up by one or two in various states, somebody like Nate Silver, who's not at 538, he went out and created his own forecasting group that judges people.
He accused us of being herders.
In other words, we're keeping our numbers close on purpose.
No, we're keeping the numbers where they're coming in.
Well, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Because I checked out his website during the campaign.
And for the entire election, who's going to win?
We don't know.
He had no idea.
And he never went out on a limb.
As a pollster, you have to go out on a limb.
Well, he said Harris in the end, by one or two runs of his electrogismatic system he has, he had Harris winning by a bit.
And so did 538.
Once again, both of them were wrong.
The people who rate pollsters can't get their own forecast right.
And by the way, 538's on by ABC News.
I think we have a pretty good idea how ABC News feels about Donald Trump, just in my opinion.
And it's an ongoing battle because we try to get the truth out there.
But then you have, I think the Trump White House is going to be shocked in about two or three months because if they highlight CBS, they highlight ABC, they get one good poll.
They're going to find out it's going to whipsaw on them.
And then they're going to be saying, well, what happened to our good appointment?
And they'll complain about the polling.
Well, Robert and I will still be out there in our little boat trying to report what the truth is.
But the thing is, you don't have a big vote.
I mean, you know, you come on this program, you go on Fox, and you guys have a big enough platform.
And I will tell you, moving forward, Robert, the only people, the American people have too many choices now.
And the people that they'll end up trusting and listening to, content providers that are out there, are going to be people that tell them the truth.
And I did tell my audience the truth.
I said, it's close.
This is winnable.
But you've got to assume that your vote is the deciding vote.
I didn't want people to become complacent.
I didn't want people to think this was in the bag.
And I wanted everybody to vote up until the moment the polls closed.
Absolutely.
And the problem is, you know, it took that kind of, you know, just to ask people to vote and continue.
And people don't want to think about politics all the time.
But right now, we've got presidential approval rope-a-dope.
And I feel like people are falling for it again.
And you've just got, I mean, it's like if you could just look at the whole list and then cross off every poll that has gotten the last few presidential elections wrong.
That's the real president's approval rate.
But you've got to quit listening because Matt's right.
It's going to boomerang right back around.
And every poll you give credibility today is going to bite you in the butt in a few months.
All right, quick break more with our pollsters.
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All right, we continue now.
Our pollsters, all this rage against Elon Musk and Donald Trump is showing up in the polls.
Robert Cahaley and Matt Towery are with us.
I'm watching both the media and Democrats raging, Matt, over Elon Musk.
Just raging.
I mean, just lashing out constitutional crisis and everything else that they're saying.
And then, you know, F. Donald Trump.
And, I mean, they really don't have a message.
To me, they went through the different stages of grief.
You know, first it was outright denial and shock, and that led to, you know, sadness and depression.
And now they're in the rage stage, which is where they'll stay probably for the next four years.
And what has Elon Musk done to deserve any hatred?
He's working for free.
Everybody at Doge is working for free.
He helped the people in North Carolina for free with Starlink when they had no communications.
He helped the people in California with the same thing.
He's about to rescue two astronauts that Joe and Kamala abandoned in space for nearly 300 days.
And I'm like, what is there to hate about the fact that he's exposing this radical agenda and the tens and what will be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars being wasted of hard-earned taxpayer money?
Why do they hate him so much?
Or do they?
Well, yes, and he's being very effective.
But here, let me give you a take on this.
So I think it was either the Economist.
No, no, no, I'm sorry.
It was either the Daily Mail or Newsweek.
I can't remember which one.
Reporting on our poll, the one that Robert and I did, noted that we saw that Musk was actually up in his approval nationwide as to how he's performing with Doge.
And then also that Republicans overwhelmingly supported him.
Now, just the week before, The Economist had reported and The Hill ran it and everybody ran with it that Republicans were losing faith with Musk.
Again, as I said before, they're asking the wrong question.
He is, in fact, going over well with the American public.
How could he be losing support when every day he reveals phenomenal, just amazing ways that our money has just been flushed down the toilet?
How could you possibly think that people would be upset with that?
They aren't.
But I'm telling you right now, it's going to happen, Sean.
They're going to try to turn him into the evil guy, and they're going to try to produce enough polls to cause him to look like he's a drag on President Trump.
Their plan being to convince Trump that he has to dump Elon at some point because they're terrified of it, absolutely scared to death.
He's exposing what's been going on, and he's just at the beginning of the surface.
I'll end with this.
I believe President Trump, in about three weeks or so, needs to do Elon and the Nation a favor.
He needs to get this information.
I know he doesn't give Oval Office speeches, which I think is stupid.
He needs to give an Oval Office speech, a real live one, ask for the times and the networks, and then tell the American people and show them how much waste has been uncovered in the first month.
I think if he took all the networks and he took the time with no filter, the American people would be overwhelmed.
I appreciate both of you, and congratulations on getting it right.
And thanks for sharing this information.
And I don't believe the American people hate Elon Musk.
I think as they become more familiar with the work of him and what President Trump is doing, they're going to be grateful because most Americans know that that money could be spent on their schools, their towns, their safety.
It could be spent on lower taxes, paying off our debt, saving Social Security and Medicare.
I mean, it's just unbelievable that this reaction we're getting.
Matt Towery, Robert Cahaley, thank you both.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour.
We'll get to your calls in a minute.
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Remember, Obama used to say, well, I just can't do it with a stroke of a pen.
I can't.
And then he would always end up doing it anyway.
And then at one point, he just said, I don't need Congress to act.
I could just do it on my own.
I mean, the very thing that Democrats are screeching about, screaming about, cursing about, flailing about, and getting all emotional about is the very precedent that was set by Barack Obama himself.
Listen.
We are not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we're providing Americans the kind of help that they need.
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Oh, I got it.
It's okay if Obama does it, but it's not okay if Donald Trump does it.
Oh, that's an interesting world that we live in.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
800-941, Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, Grace is in New York.
Hey, Grace, what are you still doing?
Is the city and the state just deteriorate before your eyes?
Sean, I'm stuck here.
My daughter's buried here, actually.
So I'm staying here for the rest of my life.
But I am jealous of you that you get to leave.
Well, I had to wait a long time.
You might recall I mentioned it publicly in 2014.
I've got to get out of here.
And then all these governors, it was great.
This was after Andrew Cuomo said, you know, those conservatives that are pro-life and pro-assault weapon and anti-gay, they're not New Yorkers and they have no place in the state of New York.
And then it was followed up by Governor Hochul, you know, talking about Trump supporters and Trump and Lee Zeldon.
Get on a bus.
Get out of town.
Go down to Florida.
I'm like, okay, you chased me out.
You don't like me.
You stated you don't want me.
I'm out.
I'm done.
We're here to say that the era of Trump and Zeldon and Molinaro, just jump on a bus and head down to Florida where you belong.
Okay?
Get out of town.
Get out of town.
Because you don't represent our values.
You are not New Yorkers.
Their problem is not me and the Democrats.
Their problem is themselves.
Who are they?
Are they these extreme conservatives who are right to life, a pro-assault weapon, anti-gay?
Is that who they are?
Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York.
Because that's not who New Yorkers are.
And by the way, I'm not anti-gay anything, just for the record, but they chase you out of town.
Here's the funny part.
And I don't mean to digress, Grace.
I'm going to get to the purpose of your call.
I don't mean to digress.
I know all these people.
I mean, I had a checklist from my lawyers and accountants of 65 things that I had to do to leave New York clean.
And one of them is stay out of New York.
And meaning don't even go visit.
You know, I was up there like no days last year.
And, you know, and, you know, then I had to deregister to vote, had to hand back my gun license, had to sell my house in New York, had to do all these things.
Then you have to get, you know, homesteaded in Florida, domiciled in Florida, Florida licensed, Florida registration, Florida insurance, Florida.
I did all of it in the lead up to my move, which I announced in my first show at the beginning of last year.
And I know all these people that did make the move from New York.
And then there's more New York tax agents, apparently, in Florida than New York, according to my friends.
And they just harass the crap out of people that listen to their governors two in a row say to get out.
And we're prepared for that too.
But, you know, we did it the right way, the legal way.
And, you know, but that's what they do.
And then they want to follow you into the grave only because they want your money.
They don't want you there, but they do want your money.
So true.
Anyway, what's on your mind?
Well, I have information that'll make the Democrats feel so much better about Elon Musk digging through people's personal information because I know of at least one government agency that's using almost that exact same model that President Trump is using, and that is CMS Centers for Medicare and Medicaid.
And I know that because I'm a clinical appeals nurse.
I work for a large hospital system, and I fight with contractors that represent CMS.
So, in other words, CMS has contractors all over the country.
They access every hospital's medical records.
And in those medical records are, Sean, our social security numbers, our addresses, our next of kin.
If you've ever had a pimple on your butt, it's in there.
Not that I know, but keep going.
But I mean, the point is that, like, for instance, where I am in the Northeast, CMS has hired LaVanta is one company.
There's another company called NGS.
They data mine the hospital's computers, and then they will say, we're not paying for, you know, this, this, we're not paying for that.
We're, you know, this patient shouldn't have received this medication.
This patient shouldn't have been admitted.
So what I do is I get those communications from these contractors, these private contractors.
And by the way, some of these contractors work on a contingency fee.
So the more money that they recover, the more that they're getting paid through CMS.
And so my job is to compose a clinical appeal trying to justify why the patient received the services that they did.
And you know what, Sean, a lot of times the contractor is right.
And this is how CMS limits waste, fraud, and abuse.
You do know who's going to be taking over that, don't you?
Dr. Oz will be in charge of that for HHS.
Well, and Dr. Oz knows the system because he's been in the system.
And at Columbia Presbyterian, I think he performed more heart operations than anybody else.
He knows all about this.
And I've had discussions with him about it.
And they're not looking not to pay.
They're not looking to cut back on Medicare.
They will be looking to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.
They will be looking for more innovative ways to help people with their health care, but also pay and stop harassing people for benefits that they're entitled to.
Well, I mean, isn't the point, though, Sean, that these are private contractors, just like Elon Musk is a private contractor hired by a government agency, just like President Trump has hired Elon Musk.
CMS has been doing this for decades.
The world is still turning on its access.
And I've never heard Democrats screaming about these private contractors having their social security number.
You're raising great points.
And Elon Musk, by the way, is not really a private contractor.
He's volunteered to do this for the country and for the president for no money.
And I don't know how he's finding the time to do it.
And I'm kind of stunned that they found so much waste, fraud, and abuse so quickly.
So, I mean, in that sense, you know, where does this rage come from?
But you're making a good point, is this happens all the time.
And, you know, he did say one thing that was interesting.
These non-governmental organizations that get all this, you know, these billions of dollars in total, there's no accountability, and then they hide what the money is truly being spent on.
You know, this is a very, very big problem, and it's going to have to be dealt with.
America is going to have to re-examine its entire health care system.
And we've got to include in that model, in my view, telemedicine.
We've got to include what Dr. Josh Umber started nationwide now.
It was local in Wichita, Kansas, which is Atlas medicine, access to concierge care, access to a doctor 24 hours a day.
How many times do people go to an emergency room?
And if they got a doctor, you know, at 2 in the morning, they wouldn't have to take their kids to an emergency room, you know, or the doctor can diagnose it on the phone and move forward.
If it's more serious, get to an emergency room now.
You have heart pain, you got to get to an emergency room.
You have no ifs, ends, or buts about it.
Anyway, it's a long, longer conversation.
I do appreciate your time, Grace, and your concern.
And you're right about private contractors, and they do their audits.
And we need innovative thinking in government.
You know, the Grace Commission under Reagan came up with ways that government would run more like a business.
And with all their recommendations, Congress adopted none of them.
The good news, what's happening now is these recommendations are being implemented.
Thomas in Maryland, next on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi, what's going on?
How are you doing?
So I cannot agree with you on the Gaza situation.
I cannot, at least as far as making those people leave their land and not being able to return.
That's just totally wrong.
First of all, right now, have you seen pictures out of Gaza?
I've been to Israel many times, and the place is pretty much decimated.
It's rubble, and it's a safe haven for Hamas terrorists that were voted in by the Palestinian people.
So the plan is to go in, demilitarize it, clean up all the rubble, and begin a very, very lengthy, difficult process.
This will not be American money, that I can assure you, of rebuilding Gaza, creating jobs, building innovation, and keeping, you know, preventing this from ever becoming a launching pad against Israel ever again.
But that's the purpose of it.
And I don't really, if America is not involved in organizing it, I mean, you heard King Abdullah this week in the Oval Office with the president.
You know, Jordan and Egypt have not wanted the Palestinian population because they're so radicalized.
But I mean, he was open to the innovative ideas.
But that's not innovative.
That's racist.
If you go back to 1995, Robert Mugabe.
What's racist about cleaning up the rubble and rebuilding a city that's livable that also removes any threat of terrorism?
What's racist about that?
Because the president said those people cannot return.
They're going to send them to Egypt or wherever.
Look, that reminds me of 1995.
You know what happened in 1995 in Zimbabwe?
Robert Mugabe confiscated all the white farms and gave it to the black and gave to the people.
So you want the Palestinian people to live among the rubble and never clean up the mess?
Because that's what the alternative is.
But no, no, no, but that's not what he said.
He said for them to leave and not return.
That's what you're saying.
You're saying for them to.
Okay, so what is so what's your solution?
Tell me, what's your solution?
Okay, so my solution is this.
Look, I agree with the Israelis about getting out Hamas, but you can't just tell these people.
Most of these people don't have anything to do with Hamas.
They sit there, they have a little store, whatever they do.
All due respect, it's been many years, but the people in Gaza voted in Hamas's leadership, knowing that their own charter calls for the destruction of Israel.
Continue.
Yes, but that might be a fact, but for the average Palestinian.
No, not might be.
It is a fact.
Well, what you're saying is that everybody there is a terrorist.
And that's racist.
That's absolutely.
I never said that at all.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that the people voted in Hamas.
I think probably a lot of them did out of fear.
And I'm just telling us, if you don't do something radical, then the people will live amongst the rubble and they'll find a way.
I flew over Haiti.
I mean, it's one of the most heartbreaking scenes you've ever seen.
You fly over Gaza right now and you'll see nothing but rubble.
And your solution is to what?
Let them rebuild it themselves and let the world pay for it and then let Hamas have another safe haven to keep firing rockets into Israel?
That's not going to solve the problem.
That is not my solution.
My solution is...
What is your solution?
I'm waiting.
Tell me.
I'm trying to tell you.
My solution, the Arab states will pay for it, but you can't tell those people that they have to leave, they can't return.
Arab states are not going to pay for the same old, same old and a rebuild that results in the same thing happening.
They're not going to do it.
What are you doing?
But what you suggest.
Well, you might want to be angry at Egypt and Jordan because they have not wanted to absorb the Palestinian population.
And why do you think that is?
Do you think maybe because these kids are indoctrinated with cartoons that are anti-Semitic and school books that are anti-Semitic?
All right.
I wish I had more time, but I have to run.
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