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Cabinet Coming Together - February 13th, Hour 1

Sean covers the latest on RFK's confirmation and how President Trump's cabinet is coming together!  How refreshing is it to have a competent President in the Oval Office?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He has these gaggles every day with the press.
Then he just goes back and forth.
A refreshing change from Joe Biden, who never gave the press any access.
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Let's go to the, we'll start at the top of this presser in the Oval Office.
Beautiful, simple system.
And we don't have to worry about you charging too much or too little.
But traditionally, India is right at the top of the pack, pretty much.
There are a couple of smaller countries that are actually more.
But India is a very, very, they charge tremendous tariffs.
I remember when Harley Davidson couldn't sell their motorbikes into India because of the fact that India, the tax was so high, the tariff was so high.
And Harley was forced to build, I guess they built, I don't know, that was a while ago, but I think they built a factory in India in order to avoid paying the tariffs.
And that's what people can do with us.
They can build a factory here, a plant or whatever it might be here.
And that includes the medical, that includes cars, that includes chips and semiconductors.
That includes everything.
If you build here, you have no tariffs whatsoever.
And I think that's what's going to happen.
I think our country is going to be flooded with jobs.
What do the timeline consumers expect?
Are prices going to go up short-term?
Not necessarily.
I mean, not necessarily, but I'll tell you what will go up is jobs.
The jobs will go up tremendously.
We're going to have great jobs, jobs for everybody.
This is something that should have been done many years ago.
China did it.
I mean, China did it at a level that probably nobody's ever seen before.
If you manufactured a car, you couldn't send it into China.
The tariff was so high, so everybody went and they built in China.
It was no big secret.
So we're going to see, but it's going to mean tremendous amounts of jobs.
And ultimately, prices will stay the same, go down.
But we're going to have a very dynamic country.
But if prices go up, Mr. President, because of these tariffs, who do you think voters should hold responsible?
Oh, I think what's going to go up is jobs are going to go up, and prices could go up somewhat short term, but prices will also go down.
And I think the farmers are going to be helped by this very much because product is being dumped into our country and our farmers are getting hurt very badly by the last administration.
The last administration hated our farmers at a level that I've never seen before.
I think our farmers are going to be helped.
Jobs are going to be helped, but our farmers are going to be helped.
Our manufacturers are going to be helped.
And again, if somebody wants to come in, including the car companies, if they want to come in and build car plants, they'll do it without tariffs.
And therefore, prices won't go up.
There could be some short-term disturbance, but long-term, it's going to make our country a fortune.
So Americans should prepare for some short-term payments.
No, you said that.
I didn't say that.
The prices go up.
We'll see what happens.
Nobody really knows what's going to happen other than we know that jobs are going to be produced at levels that we haven't seen before.
We know that we think interest rates are going to ultimately be coming down because of things that happen, and they go hand in hand with the tariffs.
But we think that the prices for some things, many things, it could be all things, will go down.
Ultimately, will go down.
Mr. President, the timeline here, sir, there's a period of time for a review, a report, 180 days.
What's the earliest date that you think tariffs will actually be implemented in next year?
Well, I would say maybe I'll ask Howard to answer that because he's going to be the one that's implementing.
What do you think?
Our studies should be all complete by April 1st.
So we'll hand the President the opportunity to start on April 2nd if he wants.
So I think we'll be ready to go on April 1st, and we'll hand it to the President, and he'll make his decisions.
But remember, if they drop their tariffs, prices for Americans are coming down.
Our production is going up and our costs are going down.
Remember, it's a two-way street.
That's why it's called reciprocal.
Have you spoken to any American CEOs directly about this?
Are they calling you and asking them?
I've spoken to many, and many love it.
And they say this is going to be the thing that makes our country really prosperous again.
And this is going to be what pays down to $36 trillion in debt and all the other things.
And this is going to be, this is an amazing day.
I think there's going to be a very big day and in a very positive way for our country.
Yes, please.
Mr. President, you've talked about the VAT and the EU before and your concerns with how the EU treats you.
Do you have a number in mind on the European Union?
Do you have an idea where that number is going to land?
Well, what they are now is they have a 20% VAT tax, which we're considering to be similar or the same as the tariff.
Plus they charge lots of fees.
And, you know, they're doing something else.
European Union's been very tough on our companies.
They sued Apple, they sued Google, they sued Facebook, they sued many other companies and American companies.
And the kind of numbers are staggering.
And the court system over there is not very good to our companies.
If you know that Apple had to pay, I think, $16 billion in a penalty, a court case that was really shocking because most people thought they would have won that court case, people that watched it.
So they've been very tough.
Airlines have called me up and they said, could you help us with Europe?
Because they're charging us so many different fees.
I got a call from the head of American United and other airlines saying every time we land a plane we get just absolutely killed by the European Union.
And so they haven't been treated as good.
You know, we think the European Union is wonderful.
We all love Europe.
We love the countries in Europe.
But the European Union has been absolutely brutal on trade.
Canada's been very bad to us on trade, but now Canada is going to have to start paying up.
And Canada's been tough on the military because they have a very low military cost.
They think we're going to protect them with our military, which is unfair.
So Canada is going to be a very interesting situation because we just don't need their product.
And yet they survive off the fact that we do 95% of what they do.
And Canada is just absolutely, I say it, and sometimes people smile and sometimes they say, great idea, but Canada, their taxes would come down greatly.
Their security would go up greatly.
Amazing things happen to Canada.
And really Canada in this particular, why would we pay $200 billion a year in subsidies to Canada when they're not a state?
You do that for a state, but you don't do that for somebody else's country.
So I think Canada is going to be a very serious contender to be our 51st state.
There was obviously a delay in implementing those tariffs.
I spoke to Governor Trudeau on numerous occasions, and we'll see what happens.
But it just sets up so good for them.
Look, the people would pay much less tax than they're paying right now.
They'd have perfect military protection.
They don't have any military protection because they essentially, because, and you take a look at what's going on out there, you have Russian ships, you have China ships, you have Chinese ships, you have a lot of ships out there, and, you know, people are in danger.
This is a different world today.
It's a different world.
They need our protection.
Yes.
You mentioned Elon Boskin and the efforts that he's undertaking with Europe.
You granted him new authority this week.
Will he secure any new government contracts while he is working on donuts?
No, not if there's a conflict.
If there's no conflict, I guess what difference does it make?
But we won't let him do anything having to do with the conflict.
Are you personally checking to make sure there's no conflicts of interest?
Yeah, I am.
He answers to you.
Sure, he does.
First of all, he wouldn't do it.
And second of all, we're not going to let him do anything where there's a conflict of interest.
Mr. Safaz, your negotiations with the EU are, you know, there's good discussions ongoing already.
How quickly do you expect that you'll hear back from them about any of these other issues?
The EU has been very nasty.
It's just been, they haven't treated us properly.
Look, we were great to them on NATO.
Essentially, it's a similar group of countries.
When I came in my first term, I raised their fees.
I mean, they were not paying.
We were paying for, in my opinion, almost all of NATO.
And now, you know, I had the bad moment with the press where the press said, well, does this mean you won't protect him?
And I said, I won't protect them if they're not paying.
But because I said that, the Secretary General, as you know, said it was the greatest thing he's ever seen because the money came pouring in.
But they don't treat us right on trade.
They don't treat us right on the military either.
I mean, if you look at Ukraine, we're in for probably $200 billion more than Europe.
Why are we in for more than Europe?
We're in for more than Europe.
I mean, think of it.
Or NATO.
I mean, let's call it NATO because Canada's in.
By the way, Canada is just about the lowest payer also, just, you know, they shouldn't be.
They are just about the lowest payer in NATO, in addition to everything else.
So Canada's really been taken advantage of.
If they had to pay just something modestly fair, they wouldn't be able to succeed as a country.
And that's why I feel they have to become a state.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Is it your expectation that partners will offer major concessions and that you actually don't end up applying those tariffs?
No, I think that a lot of them will stay the same, and whatever they pay, I'll pay.
I mean, we'll have a lot of them stay the same.
I think some, look, I heard they, as an example, EU lowered their tax on cars down to the exact same amount that they were much higher.
They were approximately five times higher.
And they lowered them down to the exact tax that we're charging.
That took place like yesterday or the day before.
Is that a correct statement?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Do you expect any exemptions or waivers?
I don't expect that.
No, this is a simple system.
I mean, there wouldn't be any.
And in the case of Apple, I gave them a waiver, an exemption, in my first term because Samsung was in South Korea.
And Samsung didn't have to pay the tax because it was a tax on China.
And Apple makes a lot of their product in China.
So I did that because it wouldn't have been fair.
But now this applies to everybody across the board.
This is a much simpler way of doing it, much better way.
You had that major call yesterday with President Putin in Russia.
President Zelensky responded today basically saying any agreements they won't accept unless they're made with Ukraine.
Will Ukraine have a seat at that table for those negotiations?
Yes, they would.
I mean, they're part of it.
We would have Ukraine, or we'd have Russia, and we'll have other people involved too.
A lot of people, a lot of forks in the forks in this game.
I'll tell you what.
This is a very interesting situation, but the Ukraine war has to end.
The young people are being killed at levels that nobody's seen since World War II, and it's a ridiculous war, and it has to end.
We had a good talk with President Putin.
I had a good talk with President Zelensky, very good talk.
And somebody said, oh, I should have called Zelensky first.
I don't think so.
I mean, we have to find out whether or not Russia wants to make a deal.
I know that Zelensky wants to make a deal because he told me that.
But I now know that Russia wants to make a deal.
Did you ask Secretary Heitzeth to walk back his comments yesterday saying Ukraine won't join NATO and won't go back to pre-2014 borders because of the targeting chips you could use?
No, I didn't.
Somebody told me, but I thought his comments were good yesterday, and they're probably good today.
They're a little bit softer, perhaps, but I thought his comments from yesterday were pretty accurate.
I don't see any way that a country in Russia's position could allow them, just in their position, could allow them to join NATO.
I don't see that happening.
And long before President Putin, Russia was very strong on the fact that I believe that's the reason the war started, because Biden went out and said that they could join NATO, and he shouldn't have said that.
As soon as he said that, I said, you know what?
You're going to have a war now.
And I was right about that.
This is a war that would have never happened if I were president.
You don't think it's President Biden's fault, not President Putin?
I mean, he's alive.
I think Biden is incompetent.
And I think when he said that they could join NATO, I thought that was a very stupid thing to say.
I thought when he said, well, it depends if it's a minor incursion.
In other words, it's okay if Russia does a minor incursion.
I thought that was a very foolish thing to say.
This is a wide-ranging gaggle press back and forth with President Trump in the Oval Office talking about Canada, Europe, the EU, India, China, Russia, the Russian-Ukraine war, reciprocal tariffs.
He's covering a lot of ground there.
We're going to pick it up on the we'll stop it right here, but we'll pick it up from where we left off on the other side.
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This is a short segment, so we'll get back to President Trump and the Oval in just a minute.
I mean, one of the things that just stands out, he's been doing this now.
He's in his fourth week as president, and he must have done this now at least eight, nine times.
And how refreshing it is.
Put aside your political differences and just think about what a dramatic shift and change in terms of transparency and an ability of a president to have a wide range of questions.
I mean, everything from about every country, reciprocal tariffs, China, India, Europe, the EU, Canada.
He's really pushing for Canada to be the 51st state.
His conversation with Putin, ending the war in Europe and the war with Ukraine and Russia, conversations that he's had with Putin, conversations he's had with Zelensky.
And I'm just thinking, a wide range of spontaneous topics, extemporaneous answers.
The reporters are not predetermined.
The questions are not predetermined.
And he can go on and talk about this all day long.
And we didn't have that for four years.
And you barely saw Joe running in 2020.
And you barely heard from him when he was president for four years.
And Kamala Harris, if she did give an interview, it was short and it was pretty well scripted.
And it was nothing but a word salad.
And all the innovative ideas that he's explaining in specificity and detail, it's just refreshing.
What a difference one election can make.
We'll pick it up on the other side from the Oval Office straight ahead.
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All right, 25 to the top of the RFK's nomination now is official on the heels of Tulsi Gabbard yesterday and RFK getting sworn in by the president in the Oval Office.
We're going to get back to this press briefing, basically a press conference, gaggle, as they call it in the Oval Office in just a minute.
I mean, how refreshing it is that a president can utter two sentences, speak on a wide variety of topics, both topics of importance here at home and abroad in every corner of the world, and actually be coherent and not have it rehearsed or not having predetermined questioners, which I'm sure was never spontaneous with Joe Biden.
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All right, let's go straight back to the White House and this impromptu press conference, President Trump.
Sean, before we do, can I ask you for a favor?
Can we do something with our audience about President Trump?
I think it would be so cool if we could have people call in and tell Katie what they think about Trump's first four weeks.
I think it would be really interesting because we're on the heels of the first month.
Well, we'll also get some insight too because later we have our pollsters, Matt Towery, Robert Cahale, and he's up nine points from where he last was.
And by the way, Gallup has him up.
Reuters has him up.
CBS has him up.
And the American people are approving this.
We do have an announcement about tomorrow.
We're just not ready to make it yet.
Something that's pretty cool that we'll be doing.
Let's put it this way.
I'm going back to the DC swamp.
That's all I can say right now.
All right, back to the Oval Office and the presser.
The other thing that got it started was how badly Millie and these stupid people, bad generals, how badly they did with Afghanistan.
I was going to pull out, but we were pulling out with dignity and strength, and we were going to take our equipment with us and everything else.
They are, I mean, what they're doing is what they did with that.
I think Putin looked at that mess and he said, wow, this is a great time.
I'm going to go in.
But what the Americans said, I'm not blaming Americans, but I will say what they said had a big influence on his deciding to go in.
Yeah.
When Elon Musk met with Prime Minister Modi earlier today, did he do so as an American CEO or did he do so as a representative of the U.S. government?
Are you talking about me?
No, Elon Musk.
Elon, I don't know.
They met, and I assume he wants to do business in India.
But India is a very hard place to do business in because of the tariffs.
They have the highest tariffs just about in the world, and it's a hard place to do business.
No, I would imagine he met possibly because he's running a company.
He's doing this as something that he's felt strongly about for a long time because he sees what's happening and he sees how the country is really being hurt badly by all of the fraud, waste, and abuse.
I was going to ask whether he's meeting with a CEO or meeting with a representative of your government.
Well, he's meeting with me in a little while, so I'm going to ask him that question.
All right?
I'll ask him that question.
Yeah.
You mentioned obviously steal and a little bit of it pharmaceuticals.
What are you thinking about auto tariffs?
You have to talk to them about it.
I think autos are coming soon.
I think they're all coming more or less at the same time.
And it's not going to be a big shock to the system.
But what it's going to do is it's going to bring pharmaceuticals back to our country.
Much more important than the money.
It's a lot of money, but it's going to bring pharmaceuticals back to our country.
It's going to bring chips back to our country.
It's going to bring automobile.
We're going to do a lot more automobile manufacturing in our country.
You know, when I did this, when I announced this during the campaign, they were going to build the largest car plant in the world in Mexico.
It was almost under construction.
was just starting.
And when they heard me make that statement and they thought I was going to win the election, actually, it was a few months before the election itself.
China was building the car plant.
It was going to be the largest in the world.
They immediately stopped construction.
You can see the foundations there.
They immediately stopped.
When they heard I was doing this, that would have destroyed Detroit.
It would have destroyed Michigan.
This plant would have taken up more than almost the whole state built.
And it would have been very destructive.
When they heard me speak and they said, wow, if he gets in, we're going to lose our shirts.
So they stopped building.
That's the impact that tariffs have.
Again, you know, I say it and I say it loudly.
It's the most beautiful word, but now I say religion, love, and a couple of other things are more beautiful because I got a lot of problem with the fake news when they said, oh, other things are more important.
God is more important.
But these are the words.
But I would say it's number four or five.
To me, it's the most beautiful.
And I'll tell you what, I think really reciprocal tariffs, there's two words.
Reciprocal, reciprocal makes tariffs really fair.
I mean, no exemptions, right?
It would be all auto.
I don't want any exemptions now because you don't need to.
With reciprocal, you don't need to.
What's reciprocal?
Gavin Cleger since you arrived at the RS.
Fox Radio.
Do you have an update on the TikTok negotiations?
Yeah, we have a lot of people.
Well, I have 90 days from about two weeks ago, right?
And I'm sure it can be extended, but let's see.
I don't think you'll need to.
We have a lot of people interested in TikTok.
And I hope to be able to make a deal.
I think it would be good.
You know, people have learned it's very popular.
And we'll have to probably get approval from China to do it.
But we have a lot of people that are interested.
And a lot of people, I think China will be interested because it's to their benefit too.
So I look forward to that.
But we have a lot of people that are interested in TikTok, quite a few.
Mr. Christian, Doge workers arrived today.
Gavin Kleiger and others arrived today at the IRS.
Do you expect to close the IRS?
Or what are you expecting?
No, I don't expect it.
But I think that the Internal Revenue Service will be looked at like everybody else.
Just about everybody's going to be looked at.
So they're doing a hell of a job.
It's an amazing job they're doing.
And, you know, that force is building.
I call it the force of super geniuses, but it's building.
And, you know, they go up and they talk to some of the people about certain deals and the people get all tongue-tied.
They can't talk because these people get it.
They're very smart people.
We need smart people.
Yes.
On tariff side.
Yes, sir.
Mr. President, I know that during the campaign, it was huge in Pennsylvania as far as bringing back manufacturing.
Have you talked to any CEOs since the tariffs were announced on steel and aluminum?
What's the feedback on those?
They are in love with it.
As you know, in Pennsylvania, U.S. Steel is through the roof.
They're all through the roof.
That's why I didn't want U.S. Steel to make a deal with Japan or anybody else.
I think it's going to do great.
But I think maybe more than anybody else, the steel companies and aluminum companies, they're in love with what's happened.
And this will eventually be the car companies and chip companies.
We have to have chips made in this country.
Right now, everything's made in Taiwan, practically, almost all of it, a little bit in South Korea.
But everything, almost all of it, is made in Taiwan.
And we want it to be made.
We want those companies to come to our country in all due respect.
You know, they took the business away.
Taiwan took our chip business away.
We had Intel.
We had these great companies that did so well.
And it was taken from us.
And we want that business back.
We want it back in the United States.
And if they don't bring it back, we're not going to be very happy.
Can you imagine pharmaceuticals?
Pharmaceuticals as well in China.
That's national security to bring that back.
China and other places.
We want to get the pharmaceutical and drug business back into the United States where it should be.
On tariffs, are you concerned that the countries that would be most affected, like India, would just shift their trading to China?
No, I'm not concerned about anything, really.
I mean, I'm just doing what's fair.
This is a very fair thing.
This should have been done a long time ago.
I would have done it, but then COVID hit.
I was getting ready to do this years ago.
And first term, we had the most successful economy in history.
And then COVID hit.
And this was going to be the thing that I was most waiting to do.
But it was awfully hard to do this with Italy and France and Spain.
And all those people were dying.
And then we put tariffs on.
I have a big heart.
Sir, on Ukraine, when Putin says that he really wants peace, do you believe him?
Yeah, I do.
I believe he wants peace.
I believe that President Putin, when I spoke to him yesterday, I mean, I know him very well.
Yeah, I think he wants peace.
I think he would tell me if he didn't.
I think I'd like to see peace.
Do you trust President Putin?
I believe that, yeah, I believe that he would like to see something happen.
I trust him on this subject.
I think he'd like to see something happen.
I think it could have happened a long time ago.
I think Biden, number one, it shouldn't have started, but it did.
And now all those cities are knocked down, like demolition sites.
All those beautiful golden towers are knocked down.
There's nothing going to replace them.
But much more importantly, you lost millions of people, a lot of soldiers, but you lost millions of people.
When they knocked down those cities and they're all laying down on the side, they're lying down just in ashes and all crumbled up concrete.
They literally look like a world-class demolition site.
And many of them, almost all of them, but many of them.
And this should have been done by Biden years ago.
This should have never been allowed to happen.
I know he's a friend of yours.
But couldn't Putin just withdraw all his favourite?
He's a friend of CNN.
That's why nobody watches CNN anymore because they have no credibility.
Okay, who else?
Yes, Peter.
If you can find a buyer in the United States for TikTok, do you think Xi Jinping will authorize the sale of it or will not?
I'm going to make it worthwhile for China to do it.
I think so.
I mean, I got to know TikTok because during the election, I ended up with 36% higher than my opponent with youth.
That never happened before.
You know, that's always been a Democrat thing, youth.
It became a Trump thing.
And I think TikTok, I think Joe Rogan was a part of it.
Some of the great people that I did interviews with were a part of it.
But I think that TikTok was a, I think it was a big part.
Look, as you know, we were up by 36% with youth.
The Republic was never up with youth.
And I focused on TikTok, and I found it to be amazing, actually, and very fair.
And I think the image of TikTok is different than it was before the election.
I think people saw it and they view it as a positive, not a negative.
I think it'll be to China's advantage to have the deal be made.
How much money do you think you'll raise from tariffs on an annual basis?
That's the most interesting question.
I think it'll be a staggering amount.
It will be the external, I call it the External Revenue Service.
That was a name that was devised by a few of us, but I think it's going to be a staggering amount.
Is the number one trillion floated in meetings with senators?
Is that a number you've thought of?
I don't know, but already the Senate's saying, well, wait a minute.
You know, they're looking at some of the numbers and they're saying, whoa, this is, look, we want to, I say America first.
I say make America great again.
That's what we're doing.
This is, I think it's the most important thing I've signed.
I've signed some very important things.
Right to try was so important.
I mean, a lot of important things.
Space Force, the biggest tax cuts in history.
This could be one of the most important things that we've ever signed.
Do you expect the Russians and President Putin to attend the summit in Saudi Arabia?
Eventually, yeah.
Not quite yet.
It's a little early.
They're having a meeting in Munich tomorrow.
Russia is going to be there with our people.
Ukraine is also invited, by the way.
Not sure exactly who's going to be there from any country, but high-level people from Russia, from Ukraine, and from the United States.
Do you want to have Russia back to the G7, sir?
I'd love to have them back.
I think it was a mistake to throw them out.
Look, it's not a question of liking Russia or not liking Russia.
It was the G8.
And you know, I said, what are you doing?
You guys, all you talk about is Russia, and they should be sitting at the table.
I think Putin would love to be back.
Obama and a couple of other people made a mistake, and they got Russia out.
It's very possible that if that was the G8, you wouldn't have had the problem with Ukraine.
And if I was president, you definitely wouldn't have had the problem with Ukraine.
Russia would have never attacked Ukraine.
But you ask a very good question, the G8.
It used to be the G8, and then these people threw them out.
And I was arguing with Trudeau and with numerous of the people.
Actually, Prime Minister Abbey, a great man from Japan, agreed with me 100%.
And some of the others did too.
But I got there.
It was the G7, as you know.
They had already been terminated.
I think it would have been very helpful, and it still would be helpful, to have Russia be a part of that mix.
And I think if they were, I don't think you would have had the problem that you have right now.
Russia came out of heart as a G20.
They kicked them out, of course, because they illegally annexed Crimea.
And it's about to wrap up.
And RFK Jr.
has now been sworn in officially.
We'll get to a lot more of this on the other side.
And we'll also speak with the Attorney General of South Carolina, all the legal angles.
By the way, they lost two major legal angles today.
We'll talk more about that as well.
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