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Rep. Zach Nunn - December 13th, Hour 2
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Thanks, Scott Shannon.
Hour two, Sean Hannity Show, 800-941-Sean, our number.
If you want to be a part of the program, well, I keep talking about the Daniel Penny case because I think it's so relevant.
This case that never should have been brought.
It was a malicious prosecution on the part of Alvin Bragg.
By far, the best coverage was my friend, my colleague, Judge Janine Pirow of the Hitchhiker Five.
She'll join us in a second.
And she got the first interview with Daniel Penny, the only interview to date.
And it was very, very powerful.
Let me play portions of this where he slams the policies that failed New Yorkers.
Remember, you know, this guy, Jordan Neely, had, what, 42 run-ins with the police prior to this.
He never should have been on that subway train.
Don't forget the testimony from eyewitness after eyewitness talked about how they feared for their lives.
One African-American woman testifying in the trial saying thank you to Daniel Penny, smiling at him from the witness stand.
And of course, then the antics that I believe, you know, were just so corrupt by the DA's office.
This guy should not be a DA in any city or any town or any municipality.
Anyway, here's Penny slamming the policies that failed New Yorkers, then talking about how Jordan Neely was threatening to kill people and describing the subway when Jordan Neely got on it.
Let me play a substantial part of this interview so you understand the context of what Daniel Penny had to deal with that day.
These public officials would do something so self-serving.
But how does it serve them to hurt you?
Just political game.
I mean, these are their policies that are, and I don't mean to get political.
I don't really want to make any enemies, really, although I guess I have already.
But I mean, these are their policies that have clearly not worked, that the people, the general population are not in support of yet.
Their egos are too big just to admit that they're wrong.
He just very aggressively kind of like ran on and stumbled on.
And that's, you know, as New Yorkers, you kind of come to accept that is unfortunately a normal occurrence.
And what was he saying?
What was he doing?
What drew your attention to him?
Well, you know, I noticed him at first when he came on, you know, and the doors closed.
And as soon as the doors closed, he was carrying a jacket and he whipped the jacket down and it landed on the feet.
I was standing and it landed on the feet of the passenger sitting down next to me.
And the zipper made a very audible noise.
It was very loud and very aggressive.
And at that point, the train car went completely silent.
It almost felt as like a, it felt like a vacuum.
And there was like this hollow feeling.
And that's when I first kind of gave him my full attention.
Okay, so the train becomes silent.
What, if anything, does he say?
You know, he first comes on and he starts demanding things.
He's demanded three different things, you know, Certain types of food, certain types of drinks, and you know, things that like some type of fast food, and that he was willing to go to jail forever if he didn't get these things.
And then it kind of escalated.
You say you repeated, I was going to go to jail for life.
I'm willing to hurt people.
I'm willing to kill people.
I'm going to kill people.
And this is this, keep in mind, this is all within 15 seconds of him getting on the train.
And it was this escalation of violence and threatening behavior that it was just pretty serious.
When he said he was willing to kill people, did you believe him?
Yeah, totally.
It was unlike, you know, because there's outbursts on the train all the time.
Unfortunately, in New York City, there's always people coming on and saying, kind of talking crazy.
And this was unlike anything that I've ever experienced.
And it was very serious.
I completely believed what he was saying.
It was just.
What was the reaction by the fellow subway riders?
Well, when, like I said, when there was that silence, when there was that vacuum, I mean, everybody had it hit.
Like, he got everybody's attention.
How close was he to the people as he was telling them or saying, I'm going to kill someone?
He started off in the middle of the train by the pole.
And then he would, in that, in that escalation, he started to get in people's faces within a foot of people.
There was a woman with a baby in a carriage?
What did she do?
Children, kids going to school, coming back from school.
It was what you'd expect on a normal New York City subway train or subway car.
The mother was holding her child, and the school kids were protecting themselves.
They were holding each other.
People were stuck to their chairs.
They felt pinned.
And I felt pinned.
I felt nervous.
I felt scared.
All right, joining us now.
She had this exclusive interview, friend of the program, also co-host of the hit show the five, friend of mine, Judge Janine Pirro, is with us.
Judge, I will tell you all throughout the trial, and I did comment to you about this privately and publicly on the air on Fox News.
You had superb coverage, and it was in the middle of a presidential election, which made your life that much harder.
But you really cared about this.
And with your background as a DA and a prosecutor, you were the perfect person to be in that courtroom as often as you are.
Well, thank you for your gratitude and your compliments.
I really appreciate it.
Look, I've been Alvin Bragg.
I've been the elected DA and I've been the judge in that courtroom as well as an elected county judge.
So, I mean, that's kind of my wheelhouse.
It's New York.
But it was clear to me from the get-go that this was a case that never should have been brought, as you've been saying for many, many months now, because Alvin Bragg is a leftist progressive prosecutor funded by George Soros.
This was a case that was brought because of color.
And the prosecutor's office tried to make this a case about race and racism, but it was totally rejected by the jury and by everyone on that subway train.
And, you know, you said it right.
There was an African-American lady who smiled from the witness stand.
And Danny Penny was so eloquent in that interview when he talked about the fact that the gratitude and the thanks from the people on that subway car would overcome, as he said in a million days of court appearances, all the name-calling and all the hate.
He said he only has to think back to the people who thanked him.
This guy, Danny Penny, he is an American hero.
And when you've got these people like Alvin Bragg, and you mentioned malicious prosecution, I think they should go for that.
But there's another piece to it, Sean, and that is that the medical examiner lied under oath.
The medical examiner said one thing in the grand jury and one thing at the trial regarding the pressure at the neck.
She said she couldn't tell if there was persistent, consistent pressure in the grand jury testimony and at the trial.
Of course, she's pro-prosecution.
Oh, yeah, there's consistent, persistent pressure.
That's number one.
Same medical examiner.
Number two, the chief medical examiner gets involved after the autopsy is done and decides it's a homicide.
They don't wait for toxicology, histology, anthropology.
Why is that relevant?
Because this guy had enough K2 in his system to make him that aggressive, incredibly strong person.
A lot of people don't know what K2 is, but it's a very potent, powerful drug that literally makes people crazy.
It makes people crazy, and this guy's already crazy.
He was in the middle of a psychotic break.
Remember, Sean, he was on a list of 50 of the most dangerous mentally ill homeless people in a city of 8 million people.
He's identified as one of the 50.
He was arrested 42 times, arrested within a seven-year period.
He had an open warrant for decking in a 64 or 68-year-old woman and breaking her orbital bone.
That day, he had harassed another woman on the subway car, on the subway platform.
So let's not kid each other.
You not only had a DA who was political, but you had a medical examiner who actually came out, Sean, and said, I don't care if there's enough fentanyl to kill an elephant.
This is a strangulation.
Now, Sean, I've tried strangulation cases.
There was no petite eye.
I think there were two little dots, and they showed the eyelid.
And these lawyers are great.
Kniff and Razor.
Steve Razor, Tom Kniff.
There's no patiki eye.
There was no damage to the hyoid bone.
The hyoid bone was the Adams apple.
None of that stuff.
And they didn't even wait for the test.
And he had sickle cell disease.
He was sickling as he died.
So you've got a psychotic break.
You've got him on K2, an incredibly strong drug.
It's cannabinoid, synthetic.
People are crazy on it.
They're very strong.
And even Penny said in the interview with me, he said, look, he was above me and he picked me up as I wrapped myself around him.
We were on the floor and he was strong enough to pick me up with him.
And then you had the stress from the fight.
So all of a sudden they want to make this a George Floyd situation.
No.
And the jury of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and white, just like the people on that subway car, just like New York City, said, no, you're not going to sell us this nonsense.
And that's why Donald Trump won.
People want the truth.
They want law and order.
They want to be able to go on a subway car and know that there's a hero like Danny Penny who is willing to give it up and go to prison.
I said, were you ready to go?
He said, yeah.
Yeah, I was.
Humble, kind.
This guy wants no attention, none.
And when they came in to take pictures of him at my interview, they took one.
He said, no more.
All right, quick break.
We'll come right back more with Judge Janine Pirro.
More of her exclusive interview with Daniel Penny on the other side.
Then we'll get to your phone calls, 800-941-Sean, our number if you want to be a part of the program.
All right, we continue now with my friend, my colleague of the hit show The Five, Judge Janine Pirro is with us.
We'll get to your calls coming up, 800-941-Sean.
You know, I'm listening to everything you're saying here.
They tried to make this case about race, and in the closing arguments, the prosecutor again brought up the racial issue, but they didn't charge him with a hate crime, which they would have had they had any evidence that this was a racial case or a hate crime.
They didn't want the toxicology report at all.
It wasn't even ordered in the beginning.
They just came to the conclusion they wanted to without doing their due diligence in the case.
And what really offended me as well is after the jury deadlocked on the manslaughter charge, then Alvin Bragg comes in and he dismisses that charge, which according to New York state law, correct me if I'm wrong.
No, the jury would need to come to a unanimous verdict.
Otherwise, the entire case, including the lesser charges, would be thrown out in New York State unless they came to a full verdict on that.
And they did it on purpose against the law, which is designed to prevent a compromised verdict.
That being defined as, oh, okay, well, they're thrown out the other charge.
And I guess that means they only think he's guilty of the lesser charge.
And the odds go up significantly when they do that.
But the law was designed to prevent that.
Right.
Right.
You're absolutely right there, Sean.
Look, I think that this was the turning point for the jury, and I'll tell you why.
They go to the judge, they say, Judge, we can't agree on manslaughter in the second degree, for which you face up to 15 years in prison.
And the judge gives them an Allen charge, which I would give all the time, and basically say, go back and try to share your views again.
Judge gives them another Allen charge when they come back.
And then they come back and they say, no, we can't agree.
Instead of dismissing everything, the prosecutor says, Judge, we want to dismiss just the manslaughter and keep the rest of it.
And the judge went along with it.
Now, I've been doing this for almost four decades.
I have never seen that done.
And what they were trying to do is coerce the jury.
And this is what I think, Sean.
A normal jury might have come back and said, yeah, maybe we can still, you know, hang on the crime like we had criminally negligent homicide, like on the manslaughter in the second degree.
They came back in an hour and they said not guilty.
But you know what's amazing about that?
And Jonathan Turley pointed this out, is the person that was most surprised by this verdict was likely Alvin Bragg because they probably thought, oh, we got him on the lesser charge.
At least that's a partial victory for them.
But I've just, again, I do have to compliment you.
You did a phenomenal job.
I'm very grateful for your coverage and grateful you shared that interview both here and on Fox News.
And we appreciate all you do.
Judge Piero, you're the best.
Thank you.
Love you.
Bye-bye.
Love you back.
Well, I guess you just can't trust your own eyes.
You can't trust your own ears.
You can't trust the videos that we've all seen and the pictures that we've all seen.
At least if you listen to John Kirby in the Biden administration, you know, the first sighting of this drone was on November the 18th.
This was over New Jersey, now also over New York and parts of Pennsylvania.
The administration now says that it's probably not happening at all.
Here's John Kirby, National Security Advisor, basically saying, No, none of this is true.
Listen.
Using very sophisticated electronic detection technologies provided by federal authorities, we have not been able to, and neither have state or local law enforcement authorities, corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
Really?
None of it's true.
No evidence of drone sightings in New Jersey, and there's no safety threat at all, no foreign nexus.
And anyway, I mean, pressed about this, you know, they just continue to stick to the story.
Now, the longer this goes on and the lack of urgency they are showing tells me, and I was more convinced.
It was either two choices to me.
Either they just don't know anything, which would be the scarier scenario for me, because considering our capabilities as the United States of America and the biggest military power on the face of the earth, you know, I'd like to believe and I'd like to think that we'd be able to figure this out in less than 24 hours if you have drones,
49 sightings this past Sunday, the size of a bus with the sound of a Harley, and so many people, you know, giving testimony and eyewitness testimony that they've seen it.
Anyway, here is the police dispatch audio where a caller is stating a drone fell out of the sky near power lines and 10 more drones showed up.
Listen to this.
Sounded crazy.
What was the exact call?
Wasn't that they saw a crash or heard a crash?
Heard the core drones fell out of the sky by the power lines behind their house and then 10 more showed up.
All right, here to help, well, unpack what's going on here is Representative Zach Nunn of Iowa.
He's a U.S. Air Force colonel.
He was an airborne operations officer overseeing drone strikes and counterintelligence against the Chinese and their drones.
And he's certain that these drones in New Jersey, because 80% of drones in this country are made in China, he believes they came from China.
Anyway, we have Jeff Van Drew, the congressman from New Jersey, who thinks they came from Iran.
But the bottom line is the government's not telling us anything.
Anyway, Congressman Nunn, great to have you on the program.
Thank you for your military service, and we appreciate your time.
When you hear about a drone the size of a school bus or bigger, or the size of a dining room table, and it sounds like a Harley-Davidson, do you believe in any way, shape, matter, or form that we don't know where these drones originated from, who's operating these drones, and what these drones might be capable of regarding either surveillance or maybe even having a military payload on them?
Sean, you've highlighted just a spectrum of threat vector coming in here.
We know a couple of things right now.
One, the overwhelming majority of drones come from GJTU, which is a Chinese-made production facility in China, still has software tied to China.
We also know that the indigenous capability of some of our greatest adversaries, that of Iran, which you highlighted, and just earlier this year sent hundreds of attack drones over Israel, over other countries, were able to be intercepted, but had only one intent.
The destruction of folks across Israel are real.
We also recognize that the United States lags behind in our drone technology, and oftentimes even U.S. manufactured drones still have foreign software operation systems.
Now, here's also what we know: we know we've got New Jersey state police who are in a helicopter flying above a drone.
And when they approached it, it was a large airborne vehicle that then turned off its lights and attempted to go as much as a drone can.
Self.
But they had to disengage because they were afraid there could be a mid-air mishap.
We know for a fact that we have an entire Coast Guard cutter that was surrounded by a dozen plus drones and followed throughout the sea off the coast of Jersey.
And that when they came in and made their report, that it was substantiated by Homeland Security.
We also know for a fact that Homeland Security felt so concerned about this that they briefed members of Congress and members of the government there in New Jersey, both law enforcement and elected officials.
And as of today, we also know that the White House says there's nothing to see here.
In the same way, there was nothing to see about Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
In the same way, there was nothing to see that Afghanistan, a place where I served for decades, would fall apart overnight.
And there was nothing to see when we left Americans behind in Afghanistan or when Israel was attacked.
We're now supposed to take the word of John Kirby that there is nothing to see over the skies of New Jersey.
And clearly, whether you ask law enforcement, whether you ask government, whether you ask kids on the Jersey shore, they've all seen it with their own eyes.
This is now a difficult challenge that we're forced to yet again believe that the White House knows better than what the American people have seen with their own eyes and that they have dissuaded us from understanding what is happening when you're absolutely right.
This is something we should have been able to track down, be transparent about, and get the information out for safety reasons when this is flying over your house or your community to the people in New Jersey and the people of America in a matter of hours, not days, and now going on months.
Okay, so let me ask you, a drone this big, the size of a bus, what would its capability be?
And more and more, as time goes on and they show a lack of urgency, why do I suspect they know exactly what these drones are doing, where they came from?
They know everything about them.
And maybe even they're the ones that are testing them.
Is that a possibility?
So as an intelligence officer and a member of Congress, let me be very clear about what we know, and I'll speak to that first.
What we know is a drone of that size, and it's been reported that some of these may have been the size of an SUV, maybe even up to the size of a bus.
I don't know what is flying over New Jersey right now because our federal agencies responsible for this, the FAA and Homeland Security have not been transparent with us.
But any platform that size, whether it's hovering, whether it's a fixed wing, which would mean like our version of a Predator drone, would be able to carry a payload, as we've seen just in U.S. operations over the Middle East, a Hellfire type of weapon, if that were to be included.
But we've also seen what our non-traditional actors like the Iranians, like the Chechens, have done with drones.
They've attached explosive ordnance and been able to use these as suicide-style drones that can go in, target a vector very quickly, and fly into it, cause an impact.
This is also, at a minimum, a flight hazard.
You're supposed to have an FAA license to be able to pilot a non-hobbyist drone, which is what the Homeland Security Department has told us.
These are not hobbyist drones before they told us they didn't exist.
And so a danger to flight operations in the area, whether you're a helicopter or a smaller light aircraft, also is directly impeded.
I think the secondary, more likely scenario for drones in this situation would be for surveillance, both visual as well as electronic.
And then certainly one of the things that I think is in the realm of the possible here as a professional assessment would be a mass testing of drones.
And we haven't informed other sectors of the government.
And that's equally concerning that we have testing going on over U.S. territory that has not included potentially other key partners in the area for safety of flights, safety of civilians, and just safety of operations in open airspace.
Any type of testing that should be done with a drone should be over a closed range where we have complete awareness of what else is happening in that airspace and ideally in a situation where we're not putting the U.S. civilians at risk in this type of an operation.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back more with Congressman Zach Nunn of Iowa as we talk about the administration just flat out denying that these drones even exist in spite of all the eyewitness testimony we've heard and spottings that we've heard about and the videos and the pictures we've all seen.
Pretty unbelievable.
I think we're just flat out being lied to.
Anyway, more with the Congressman on the other side, then we'll get to your calls and much more coming up.
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All right, we continue now talking about the mystery drone issue over the state of New Jersey with Congressman Zach Nunn of Iowa.
Is there any chance that there are drones?
Then they're doing testing, but they just don't want to tell us for national security reasons.
If that is their cover story, then that is a horrible cover story.
We have entire areas of operation.
Again, as a career Air Force officer out in Nellis in places in the desert where we can test these types of operations, even if we needed something on a coastal environment to do this, there is still a clear delineation to close airspace in coordination with the civilian authorities, like the FAA.
So if they failed to do that, if they've now been caught out in the public doing testing, and I will put an asterisk on here, that's an if.
If that's the situation, then this is a failure of policy and administration that continues to be non-transparent and potentially has put civilian and first responder lives at risk by flying exercise or testing elements over an open population.
That should never happen to begin with, not without close coordination in any case.
If this is commercial, if this is foreign, and if this is something I think that is clear to everybody, it's not truly understood, not even by folks in the White House, then we have an absolute obligation to get to the ground truth on this and determine definitively.
Look, this is not hypothetical.
This is something that we can assess today, whether there are actual drones operating over U.S. airspace over Civil War.
Well, Congressman, I know people that, as a hobby, they have these little baby drones and they fly them for fun.
And sometimes in some areas, you know what, you get in trouble for flying them.
And the authorities are able to find out where they originate from almost immediately.
So, you know, you're never going to convince me that they can't figure out where these originated from, who's operating them, and what their capabilities are.
And that just means they're flat out lying to us.
Or if they're that utterly incompetent, then I cannot believe I am stunned at the lack of our capabilities.
But, you know, we do have Iranian assassination squads in the country.
We also know that we have known terrorists in the country and murderers and rapists and other violent criminals and gang members and cartel members.
So I guess nothing with this administration surprises me.
But if we don't have the ability to identify where these things came from, that is chilling.
And they're telling us they don't exist really pisses me off.
Sean, you're absolutely right.
This is the worst of both worlds because we're dealing with a Biden administration that is both incompetent and consistent only in the fact that they lie.
So when dealing with this, the reality is here's what we know again.
We have hundreds of individuals who came to this country illegally on terrorist watch lists, not to mention the tens of millions who came here under false pretense.
The second aspect is the technology alone we recognize is most likely foreign-built related because that's the reality of the drone industry, particularly beyond what these hobby small drones are that my neighbor kids are flying over or that you might see at a football game.
These are the type of serious professional drones that would be operated in a commercial or military capacity for things like surveying, assessment, recon, all the way up to a military operation capability, some of which could be operated half a world away based on modern day technology for their operations.
Holding these folks accountable should be operation number one for the White House.
And instead, they've said these things don't even exist, which is again.
The last question is yes or no.
Do you believe they're flat out lying to the American people?
Based on the information we have right now, yes.
Wow.
Anyway, Congressman Nunn of Iowa, we do appreciate it.
Thank you so much for being with us.
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