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And we are in the city of Atlanta tonight's big showdown, Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
And uh anyway, here to help break down what we might expect tonight, what might be the right arguments for both sides.
Uh Matt Towery, Polster, Insider Advantage, Robert Cahaley of the Trafalgar Group, uh pollsters originating out of Georgia.
They know the area really well, but this is a nationwide debate and uh could have dramatic consequences.
The polls leading into tonight's debate.
You know, Rasmussen had Trump up by ten, which I think is shocked the world.
Yeah, the latest Emerson poll has Donald Trump winning in every swing state, tied forty-five forty-five in Minnesota, and Nate Silver saying, well, this election is not a toss-up.
Uh his model that he launched this week showing Donald Trump has uh a better than two-thirds of a uh uh percent chance of winning the election come November.
I would argue with 130 days until election day and tonight's debate and eighty-one days until early voting begins in Pennsylvania and then other states to follow, that you can take nothing for granted.
Uh but anyway, we welcome back uh Matt Towery and Robert Cahaley.
Guys, it's sort of like a reunion for all of us.
It it is indeed, Sean, and uh I'm in the other s uh a little uh north of you in Atlanta today, uh.
But welcome back to the city you much once ruled on the radio but still do.
It's so so glad for us to both say be back here.
You know, the the funny thing about Atlanta is I had four great years here, and I loved it, and I have still have a copy of the year end edition, a print copy of the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
And it said 1996 was a great year.
The Olympics came, and Sean Hannity left.
And that's when I left to go to Fox News.
And here we are all these years later, and I'm still at it.
Um so I think that's probably the real miracle.
By the way, do you guys remember guys like Hosea Williams and and guys like Joe Lowry?
I mean, I love those guys.
They were great.
Oh god that I got to know, I learned history from those guys.
Yeah, I used to do TV with Joe Lowry on the eleven alive, the uh NBC station here in New Hosea forever.
So yeah, they were great civil rights leaders.
Unfortunately, we've lost that that that type of leadership these days.
Before we get to tonight's debate and your advice and your thoughts, if you look at Rasmussen, if you look at Emerson, Matt Towery, if you look at uh, you know, all these polls, Nate Silver, um, it's only a snapshot.
We still have 130 days to go.
Uh if Joe Biden has a pulse tonight, I'm sure I'm certain the media will declare him the winner.
Uh, I expect him to fully be, you know, uh let's hyper caffeinated jacked up Joe.
I don't uh he's had all this time to rest and practice, which is pathetic in and of itself.
But what it what would you say?
What are you saying about these polls?
Well, I think my thought is this.
Um there is no doubt that right now, you know, campaigns as you know better than anybody, and certainly Robert does, are a matter of momentum.
You you have to feel that momentum in November as you get to it, you have to feel it at certain points, and you don't want to lose that momentum.
Right now, the polls are definitely saying that Donald Trump has the big Mo.
He has the big momentum.
Tonight is a triangulated D. Lee Plaza to try to let the media, which by the way, he has a better chance of having a fair debate in Havana, Cuba, than at Techwood here tonight at CNN campus.
But having said that, this is where they want to stop his momentum.
And like you said, turn around and say, well, Joe did a great job, and he can still remain his president.
Then they go silent and let the ads carry them through for the next two or three months.
I don't know if that's possible, but that's what they're trying to do.
But then they got debate number two, and that'll take place in September, and that'll even have more relevance then, don't you think?
What are they gonna take Joe off the campaign trail, you know, in the lead up to that debate for over a week?
Well, of course.
Of course they will.
They feel like they can do whatever they want.
Who else would put a president sequestered for seven days running the country, but he's not running the country.
He's up there in some hyperbaric chamber or whatever it is they do to get him juiced up.
And uh I get it, that's what they gotta do what they gotta do to win, but uh they'll take him off the campaign trail again, I think, Sean.
If you look at the New York Times Siena poll released this morning, it shows Robert Cahaley, and I like your thoughts on the other polls.
It shows that lawfare and the weaponization of justice and the fundamental unfairness of both the civil and the criminal trial against Trump has backfired against the Democrats.
It's not working.
Your reaction, all of it.
Uh, it's no question.
It's a matter of fact, what we're seeing in the polling now is when people talk talk about threat to democracy, that's what they're talking about.
Uh you know, the media presents it as if threats democracy always are about January sixth.
Well, you democracy is everything.
Democracy is integrity in elections, uh, and democracy democracy can be the interference in elections with the law fair.
And so a lot of people are looking at this and and the number of folks that we've we've encountered who have said, I don't like Trump.
I wasn't going to vote for Trump, but I've had enough.
But enough is enough.
And again and again we keep hearing that that they're fed up, that they see this happening again and the four times is just ridiculous.
Four times i is convincing them that this isn't real.
If they had gone after Trump with one thing that had been around for a while, they might have gotten somewhere.
But what they did is they destroyed anybody's uh chance of winning the primary.
Uh and and elevated Trump right to the top, and and he he has ridden this all the way to this point.
But as Matt said, you know, this is designed to throw Trump off this game.
Uh that is, of course, the thing.
And Lee At water talked about defining moments.
Well, whatever happens tonight, most of the time you don't know about a defining moment until after it happens, but tonight there will be defining moments.
Something is going to happen that is going to move this direction one way or another.
This is a pivot point.
And it's designed to be, because that's why Biden had to do this.
He had to answer the critics.
If he had not shown he could handle Trump, I don't know that he'd have made it as a nominee to the convention.
All right.
So we know that we've basically have a situation that's three on one, but Donald Trump accepted anyway.
I don't think they expected that he would accept these debate offers On Joe's terms.
And in the history of modern televised debates, it's never been where only one side, Biden's side, pretty much dictates all of the terms, only the venues that they'll be on.
They get to pick the moderators.
You get liberal Trump hating talk show hosts, fake Jake Tapper, and fake Dana Bash.
Uh I would imagine an inordinate amount of time is going to be on who won the 2020 election.
Uh you're an insurrectionist.
Uh you're gonna be looking out for revenge and retribution.
Now, I also predict that they're gonna try and make Trump very angry, calling him a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, a threat to democracy, radical, unhinged.
However, if I'm Donald Trump, I'm focused on very different things.
I'd be looking at immigration, the economy, law and order, gas prices, national security, America's role in the world.
And I think the challenge for President Trump is to stay focused and pivot off uh off of whatever attack they're gonna try to use against him.
And I uh my guess is he'll be prepared to do that.
Yeah, that would be my thought.
I think I this has been said by so many people and so many people who are right that certainly Trump can't take debate this time.
Now they're gonna do little things, like for example, he's in Atlanta.
And I've been here now for three days, and I know a lot of folks in Atlanta, Georgia, and a lot of political folks, and lots of people.
I know I've heard you've been in every bar in town.
That's what the rumor is.
Well, I just followed you, Hannity.
So anyway, uh back to reality.
In having in having in having dinner with people, I uh was told one thing by several groups.
They said they they want to bait him to compare uh Biden to Jimmy Carter, because remember, this is uh Georgia is Jimmy Carter State.
And the suburbanites here who might vote for Trump still are thinking about Carter because then he's he's in his last days.
Little things like that are what they're hoping that Trump will go back to.
Um they're hoping he'll go they'll go back to him being, you know, talking too much and getting past the the two minute time period.
They're hoping to get him upset.
They've got signs up everywhere here, uh Sean, electronically, to say, welcome convicted on Donald Trump to Atlanta.
Now, you you're only doing that for one reason, and that is to try to irritate the man as soon as he is wheels down here in Atlanta.
He can't take that fate.
He needs to stick to just the issues and try to deflect the areas where they talk about this law fair and other things that he'll have to defend itself, or he or he'd be saying they'd say then he's guilty.
But I think your your views are absolutely right.
He needs to stay down the center and talk the issues.
I I agree, and I think if he stays focused on issues, I mean, just confronting Joe Biden on Lake and Riley and Rachel Moran and this little thirteen-year-old girl that was raped in a in broad daylight and filmed being brutalized, this this young 12-year-old girl brutalized for two hours, you know, tr fighting back, trying to save her life and murdered it in Texas.
You know, you go back to when Donald Trump came down the escalator at tr uh Trump Tower in 2015, Robert Cahaley, and on God forbid he said some of these people are rapists and murderers.
Well, we're seeing this unfold almost on a daily basis now.
Uh and uh and look at where the country is.
Nearly two-thirds of the country wants all of these people that entered the country illegally to leave and to be deported.
This is the kind of stuff he needs to talk about because he is coming across as that guy who warned everyone on these things.
And I think Matt brings out a really good point.
When it when Trump is talking about uh Lake and Riley and the other victims, he's winning, and when he starts if he starts talking about Jimmy Carter, he's losing.
The other thing is I think this this format may end up being Trump's friend.
Uh you know, he might have pushed back against it, but the fact is having this debate focus on what's real and him being able to give his points, and if he can keep them to two minutes and then make Joe Biden talk for two minutes and literally be unable to interrupt because of the of the quietness of the mic, that might actually serve him better.
This might be uh one of those things where they set up a trap, and then you know that Trump figures out a way to get the keys and not set make the trap go off.
I would imagine both candidates are gonna have certain lines memorized if you are advising Joe Biden and Donald Trump about certain memorable lines that they would want people to walk away from having watched this debate, uh Matt Towery, what would it be?
It would be something that illustrates the fact that Joe Biden hangs out with the elite and Trump is out there working with people uh and being out there being seen by the people all over the country.
I mean, there's never been a greater example of that in the last few weeks with the Hollywood fundraisers and then Biden disappearing and Trump being everywhere he can be.
So I don't know what that phrase would be, but I think it would never or it would be something that would uh point to to that difference.
Yeah, same question, Robert.
Well, i i if if I were Biden, I I would try to go Trump into say something that that would that would be triggering in in such a way that he just couldn't resist it.
Maybe it was made by 2020 election.
Uh and if I were Trump, I'd be looking for when Biden starts bringing up January 6th.
I I would have something like it's a it's amazing how he wants to talk about the past, but he just wants to talk about what happened after the election.
And you know, he he won't he he won't talk about the Capitol, but he doesn't want to talk about the laptop.
I might say, why did your vice president tweet out a bail fund after the 600 riots in the summer of 2020?
Was she supporting insurrection?
That would be a good one.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back more with our pollsters.
Matt Towery and Robert K. Haley.
We'll get to your calls as well.
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Let's assume it's going to be jacked up hyper caffeinated Joe.
Isn't there a risk if we see a very different Joe Biden in terms of cognitive skills, Matt?
Yeah, well, I think that they're they're running a risk right now because so many people, as I said, uh, you know, seeing folks here in Atlanta, most everyone realizes that Biden's been missing and that they everybody assumes he's being given something to to get him going, and Trump's put that out there.
And I I think they run the risk that he comes in and looks like Superman tonight, or tries to look like Super Van.
By the way, he does tend to get very irritable when he's jacked up like that.
So Trump has an opportunity to try to get Biden to sort of become his um mean Joe, which is something, and that's not mean Joe Green.
I don't I don't think it would do well for Biden if that happened.
But but I do think that that the difference there is very noticeable if that's the way they had him tonight.
And uh Trump can use that.
And I think he will use that uh to say, hey, you know, you're completely different tonight.
How'd you get there?
I think he has a right to say that.
The people need to know whether their president is up to the job every day, not just every seven or eight days.
I agree.
Same question, Robert.
I think exactly that uh you know, if it Trump might have the opportunity to look at Biden, you know, he could like trigger him uh saying things like look at the moderator and say, I don't think he's okay.
Check on him.
Uh yeah.
Joe, are you okay?
Kind of stuff like referencing that if he gets really, really piped up, kind of drawing attention to that.
Because just like just like he he was saying, uh, Matt earlier.
When Joe starts with this you know, the the jacked up performance like he did at the debate, he starts getting loud and he starts getting anxious and he and he ate pushy and he's mean.
And there might come a point where if Trump has maintained this calm presidential demeanor, and Biden is virtually unhinged, which is the opposite of how they're painted, you know, Trump could point to wow, uh I hope you're not inside how's the nuclear button in with you tonight?
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I don't know who this guy, Michael Taylor is, apparently Biden's communications director, suggesting that uh Donald Trump, the loser, might skip the debate at the last minute.
And then saying that people will side with Biden because Trump is a convicted felon.
Uh actually, when you look at the polls, just the opposite is happening.
I hope he's one of the dopes that was preparing Joe for the last 900 days for this debate.
Listen.
Listen, I think that the Trump team is playing games that we've always seen them do, right?
They like to use debates uh as entertainment process.
They like to complain about debates.
Sometimes they skip out on debates.
Uh the president will be there tonight.
We still assume that uh Donald Trump will be there as well.
Uh, but listen, the fact of the matter is they play these games because they know on the issues that matter mostly the American people, Donald Trump is a loser, right?
Tonight is an opportunity for President Biden uh to communicate directly to those voters that are going to decide this election.
And tonight he's gonna present a clear choice uh between himself who's fighting for the American people uh every single day, and he's uh gonna be debating against Donald Trump, who's now running his campaign as a convicted felon uh who's fighting for himself.
That's gonna be the fundamental choice uh that we present on the debate stage tonight.
If that's the best that they've got, they're in trouble.
I hope he led the de debate prep for Joe Biden the last five hundred days or nine hundred days or whatever it's been.
I know he's been missing in action.
Now, has anybody just thought for a second about how profound it is that you have a president of the United States.
Now just think about this for a second and tell me if you agree or you disagree, that that it's that it's okay that he takes off his day job completely for well over a week to go into seclusion to prepare for what is a 90 minute debate,
which means if you get half the time you're speaking for 45 minutes, and you're gonna have to spend an entire week on issues that you should should be well versed in because you're the president of this country.
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The idea that a president really is ever on vacation.
Well, Joe is.
I mean, he sits on the beach and he struggles to drag around that little tiny beach chair of his.
But I mean, it's it's not normal.
Joe shows up and he's in a much better cognitive state than regular Joe, the cognitive mess.
How did he see you're wrong?
No, I'm not wrong, because within a week he's gonna be back to being a cognitive mess whenever the Red Bull or whatever wears off.
So uh I will be proven right because between now and the rest of the campaign, you're gonna see weak, frail, cognitive mess Joe, day in and day out.
There's nothing they can do.
Anyway, let's get uh to our busy phones.
Mike is in the great state of Kentucky.
Mike, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, I just wanted to uh comment on something that uh Jocelyn's mother said that the twelve-year-old gal that was murdered by the two vermin.
Did you see the interview that I had with her on TV?
My guy, I can what an incredibly strong individual this woman is.
She's 27 year herself, and I couldn't do that.
I can't she she was a lovely woman.
Grandfather, this young girl, Jocelyn's grandfather was a lovely guy.
And I I'm gonna tell you it break I don't like doing those interviews because you know you're interviewing people that are in the worst moment of pain in their life.
And if I had to do interviews like that every day, I don't I would I don't I I would find I'd go back to contracting.
I'd go do something else.
I don't think I could do it.
It I find them that that is the hardest part of my job.
If you really want to know the truth, I can interview anybody, argue with anybody, debate with anybody, but I don't really want to interview moms that just lost their 12-year-old daughter that was brutalized for two hours, fought back, bit and scratched these perpetrators, and then was brutally murdered.
I I have a hard time with that.
And that shows the strength of the mom.
You look at that apple did not fall far from the tree.
She fought those vermin to better end.
I mean, this can you imagine a 12-year-old girl fighting back like that?
Wow.
Yeah, the warrior.
Wait, what a girl.
What a what I mean, it's so sad she suffered that way.
Her mother said uh the words, I know she's gonna make a difference in this world for all children.
That wasn't a present tense.
And I think tonight uh Donald Trump has an opportunity to let that happen.
He he's not gonna get asked any real questions about the border, but he's going to be asked the gotcha question, uh, why he didn't support the bipartisan that bill for immigration.
And he needs to just say, Look, I didn't support it because it was gonna make things twice as bad.
And then I think he needs to reach into his pocket and pull out a picture of Jocelyn, and he needs to say, in honor of Flakin Riley and Rachel Moran and Jocelyn and the thousands of other past present and future victims of Joe Biden's open border policy.
I'm gonna let her I'm gonna yield the rest of my time to her and he ought to just hold that picture and not say anything for the next minute and a half and force that down these people the the CNN, the Lib Media's throat,
make them look at that little girl and I think it would be the most powerful moment in debate history that they would be presented and forced into covering a story and being able to have to answer who was that little girl that we saw last night.
What is he talking about?
Because I've never heard about this on CNN or MSNBC or these other and I think well I'll just add one little caveat.
I doubt the president is going to be able to bring in a picture.
They would call that a prop.
They would claim that he's cheating.
However, he could say I think we need to take a moment uh and have a moment of silence for all of the children like Jocelyn, Rachel Morin, like this this thirteen year old girl raped in broad daylight in that park in Queens, and all of the other victims whose names I've been scrolling on TV that nobody else in the media mob ever talks about that are victims of crime.
What are they going to do then?
Is it fake Jake going to say that's not allowed you must talk your entire time I don't know.
But it would but if he could pull it out that'd be that you're right.
That'd be powerful.
Um I would expect that regardless of whatever question they ask Donald Trump there's going to be a lot said about immigration tonight.
You know how I feel about it.
Joe Biden has blood on his hands and I you know how I feel I I keep saying the same thing.
It's not if it's when I pray to God that I'm wrong.
Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.
But there are terror cells in this country because Joe Biden has let them in unvetted from over a hundred and eighty countries and many of our top geopolitical foes and we are going to be hit hard and he will have all of that blood on his hands.
That I can promise you know it uh they know it Sean but it's collateral damage to him for their end game of trying to remake America into a new new new victim class.
Collateral damage and they're they're they're more than happy to to let it happen appreciate the call Mike you bring up great points.
Don in Iowa next on the Sean Hannity show Trump up by 18 in Iowa recent poll.
What's up Don?
How are you?
Hi Sean, thank you for taking my call I was uh caucusing for Trump uh back uh November when we had that nice ice storm that you guys were brave enough to fare ice storm it was four hundred degrees below zero just saying I'd only been in you know Florida for a short period of time my blood hadn't even thinned out that much by the yes well uh i i it was uh a very good night for president Trump and we're gonna have another good night
in November so um I I called for a nice quick short uh helpful tip for President Trump and that is when Joe Biden calls him a convicted felon just remember we're gonna remind Joe Biden why there's not two convicted felons on the stage right now because Joe Biden's not mentally strong enough to stand trial how could he possibly run a country?
It's a great line I like it a lot.
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Gary, North Carolina next Sean Hannity show yeah thank you for taking my call uh just a couple of quick points on the debate and one is uh I think Trump should take uh from Biden's uh previous presidential debate where Biden looked at the camera and said that he was talking to the American public.
I I would like to see Trump talk to the American public and not so much Biden tonight.
And uh on that point, I'd like to see Trump talk about his accomplishments more than Biden's failures.
Biden tried to defend what he's been doing.
But Trump did a lot of accomplishments, and for example, a lot of them are not known or remembered, and the ones that comes to mind was the China trade deficit, where Trump took on China.
Uh, and as a result, uh China had to take more American goods, which help American businesses.
So I I would like to see Trump talk a whole lot about his accomplishments.
Uh, I would like to see it too.
I just I just do need to remind everybody here.
It's a 90 minute debate.
And I did a 90 minute debate with DeSantis and Dusa.
And it goes by very, very quickly.
And look if assuming you get equal time, and maybe that's the wrong assumption on my part, but assuming you get equal time, and then you take the moderator time, you're probably now down to about 35 minutes of speaking time.
There's only so much you can get in, and then people say, why didn't you say that?
Why don't you say it?
Why didn't you say why didn't you say that?
You know, you you you just you have to understand the reality.
They also have, I think, two or three commercial breaks in this debate.
So that's gonna take a lot of time, too.
So, you know, now we're down to like what, 30, 28 minutes of speaking time per candidate, if they're fair.
Not a lot.
Anyway, 800 941 Shauna's on number if you want to be a part of the program.
Uh James also in my home state of Florida.
James holding down the Ford, I hope, while I'm gone.
Hey, I I kind of disagree.
I if Joe comes on really sharp, and uh I think that President Trump should say, hey, look, Joe, I I don't I don't see a family memory.
You seem really sharp to me.
I don't understand why they don't want to charge you for stealing all those documents.
I love that line.
And he needs to contrast himself.
You and others talk about how magnanimous he is and how he's very generous and a nice guy and easy to get along with.
Joe, I I'm a successful businessman, have been for 40 years.
I worked as the president, I didn't even take the money.
I gave it it all away to charities.
You've been on the dole for what, 40 some years?
Plus, you're taking 10% on the side off all the business deals with the foreign entities that your son's been working on.
Come on, Joe.
What's going on here?
Come on, man.
You know, he needs to hit the the big guy.
He needs to hit the big guy where it counts.
The big guy taking 10% from his son, what, $30,000 a month to rent the place out to his son?
I don't charge my son anything.
I let him stay at the resort for free.
Come on.
Uh the you actually have everyone has good ideas.
You know what I love about my audience, and I don't say this enough.
This audience is brilliant.
You know, I really, really appreciate all of your input.
You every one of you have great ideas, and yeah, I I just try to manage expat and try and make you understand the the constraints of time are very, very real, as they are, for example, if you're a radio or TV host.
Hard out.
Three, two.
I'm like, this I live with heart out my whole life.
Uh all right.
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I'm not sure.
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