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If you want to be a part of the program, just 132 days from Election Day, 83 days until early voting starts in Pennsylvania, rolls out then around the country, and...
And the big debate is happening on Thursday.
And of course, you know, one of the things that people don't focus enough on is Joe Biden.
He got to pick the he laid out all the ground rules that he'd accept.
And I will tell you, I don't think they ever expected that Donald Trump would agree to it.
And I think that was the strategy.
Don't let Donald Trump say no to the debate.
Why?
Because they dictate, well, we'll only do it on these four networks.
That's it.
Really?
Is that how things work now?
Because that's never been the case in the modern presidential era with TV or televised presidential debates.
never happened before that way uh we'll put it on fake news cnn and and three other liberal networks that are options and And uh Donald Trump will have no say with the moderator, pretty much no say with the format.
And you either take it it's our way or the highway, or you're the one that's afraid and you don't want to debate.
You're you're just you're just afraid to debate.
That's pretty much what they handed Donald Trump, which is pretty outrageous and so fundamentally unfair.
But is it really any different than you'd really expect when it comes to anything with Donald Trump and the media mob and the Democrats?
No, that's how they roll.
Uh and and that's why we have been pointing out that Jake Tapper, fake Jake, as we affectionately refer to him and fake Dana Bash.
They are liberal Trump hating talk show hosts that claim that they are journalists.
They're not journalists.
Fake news CNN out there, you know, putting out statements supporting fake Jake and fake Dana and how qualified they are and how fair they're gonna be.
I don't believe any of that for two seconds, and neither does anybody else.
They're not gonna be fair.
They're not gonna be balanced, and they're they're gonna be there, and their role is gonna be to ask every trick question and hard question of Donald Trump and and try and avoid the areas where he will have a hard time.
Meaning Joe Biden.
But anyway, if you don't believe me, you you ask yourself this question.
Listen to Fake Jake Tapper.
And after he said America's long nightmare is national nightmare is now over.
Listen.
Wolf, it has also been a time uh of extreme divisions.
Many of the divisions caused and exacerbated by President Trump himself.
It's been a time of several significant and utterly avoidable failures, most tragically, of course, the unwillingness to respect facts and science and do everything that could be done to save lives during a pandemic.
It has been a time where truth and fact were treated with disdain.
It is a time of cruelty where official inhumanity, such as child separation became the official shameful policy of the United States.
But now the Trump presidency is coming to an end.
To an end.
With so many squandered opportunities and ruined potential, but also an era of just plain meanness.
It must be said to paraphrase President Ford, for tens of millions of our fellow Americans, their long national nightmare is over.
Now, ask yourself is that really coming from a journalist or a liberal Democrat uh anti-Trump talk show host, giving opinion, but claiming to be a journalist.
It's not that hard to figure out.
That's the environment that Donald Trump has been forced into with little to no say about the rules of the debate, the location of the debate, the moderators of the debate.
And the in the modern era of presidential televised debates.
This has never gone down this way before.
And here's another example fake Jake, fake Dana Bash, and their anti-Trump rhetoric.
We're not carrying his remarks live because frankly he says a lot of things that are not true and sometimes potentially dangerous.
Most important question now is the culpability of the president of the United States and the fact that he went to that rally and called for an incited violence.
That was the worst debate I have ever seen.
In fact, it wasn't even a debate.
It was a disgrace.
And it's primarily because of President Trump, uh, who spent the entire time interrupting, not abiding by the rules that he agreed to, lying, maliciously attacking the son of the vice president.
You use some high-minded language.
I'm just gonna say it like it is.
That was and you know, we're in cable.
We can say that.
Apologies for being um maybe a little bit crude.
Uh unbelievable.
Now, is that sound like journalism to you or liberal democratic hate Trump talk show hosts?
It's not a difficult question to figure out.
And they know it.
These are the same people.
Here you get a valuation in the civil trial of Donald Trump of Mar a Lago, and it's it's 18 million dollars in a case that's supposed to be about valuations, even though there's a disclaimer that says, don't take our valuations, go by your own valuation.
No lender, no insurance company would ever lend or insure hundreds of millions of dollars of property without doing their own valuations.
It was an insane case.
You know, you got 22 plus acres of Mar-a-Lago, pristine condition, historic property on the intercoastal side of Palm Beach, and on the ocean side of Palm Beach, with not one but two clubs associated with it, and on top of that, 50 some odd bedrooms, other units all around the property, amenities that you could only dream of, 18 million.
But you can go online and find uh uh an acre and a half lot in a horrible place on the intercoastal with a street between the lot of dirt and trees and the ocean, oh, that lot alone, acre and a half lot of dirt and trees is a hundred and fifty million.
And the judge stuck to that insane valuation.
Just like this ridiculous, you know, this ridiculous criminal case.
What?
A legal non-disclosure agreement negotiated by a lawyer that was labeled a legal expense from eight years ago, a misdemeanor in New York whose statute of limitations had long since expired, and eight years later they upcharge it to some federal election crime because you have a uh an abusively biased judge that allowed all of this to happen and never even told Donald Trump what the charges were.
You can't make it up.
Anyway, joining us now, Sean Davis, CEO, founder of the Federalist, Jeffrey Lord is with us, author at the American Spectator, host of The Word of the Lord, which cracks me up the name of his podcast.
And uh anyway, Jeff, at one point, how many years did you work for fake news CNN?
About two, fifteen through seventeen.
Now, true or false, while you were on some of these panels where there was like eight or nine or ten liberals to you and maybe you and Kaylee McEnaney, how many times would I write you and say things like, How do you put up with this crap?
I I had to laugh, Sean, because I remember be distinctly being on air once, and we were in the middle of one of these tense debates, and we get to a commercial, and I looked at the microphone and the note is from you, and you're saying, I can't believe you sit there through all this, and I burst out laughing at everybody is what are you laughing about?
What are you laughing about?
I said, Oh, trust me.
Trust me, Sean Havenny thinks this is amazing.
Did they laugh at when you said that?
You are not one of their favorites.
Uh I I know you'll be shocked.
Yeah, I don't think I'm their favorite now because I dare to play fake Jake and fake Dana in their own words, and you could see how defensive they are.
I mean, even fake news CNN management putting out uh a letter defending their their their journalist hosts.
They're not journalists, Jeff.
Why can't they just be honest about who they are?
They're talk show host.
I'm I'm a member of the press.
I'm a talk show host.
I but I'm just honest about who I am, and they pretend to be something they're not.
Well, you you know, years ago when I began to learn about journalism, I was told that the that the journalist is never in the story.
Uh this is a story about news.
Well, that is just totally gone now.
They are the story.
And uh they are gonna tell you what they think you should you should know, and they're gonna do it their way all the time, which is quite heavily seriously political, political.
And the thing that the thing that just astonishes me is they're so obsessed with this, they're losing ratings uh all the time.
I mean, think of the contrast between this CNN and the one that uh many Americans remember from uh what was it, the Iraq war, and there was uh Bernard uh what Bernard Schwar I forget his last name, who who was underneath the bed in a in a uh Iranian or Iraqi hotel room while all sorts of uh literal gunfire and bombs were bursting outside the window.
That was amazing news.
That was CNN at its finest.
We are a long, long way from that.
Quick break, right back more with Jeff Lord and Sean Davis on the other side.
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All right, the summer is all sunshine, smiles, road trips with the family.
All right, we continue now with Sean Davis and Jeffrey Lord are with us.
Let's get your take.
Sean Davis, what are you expecting on Thursday night?
My expectations for CNN could not be any lower.
And I I like the visual that uh that Jeff brought up of uh uh Bernard Shaw hiding under the bed from the bombs.
Now the CNA anchors go and hide under their desks to avoid uh mean words from people they don't like.
They they cower there, they're terrified of them.
And I think it's fascinating that Jake Tapper is gonna be doing this because this is a guy who is patient zero of the Russia collision hoax.
He started it.
January tenth, twenty seventeen.
He's the one who went and started uh publishing stuff from the absurd sealed dossier field dossier.
And when uh uh uh text of his were leaked several months or years later, we learned that he had an absolute timber tantrum meltdown at Ben Smith, the the Buzzfeed editor who published the dossier in full so everyone could read it.
Jake Tapper lost his mind and he told Ben Smith that it was a terrible thing he had done because it made his journalism at CNN look bad.
So that's the caliber of so-called journalists that uh we're dealing with.
And and I'll be honest, I think you're actually being too generous calling them talk show hosts.
They're Democrat propagandists with bylines of the network.
That's all they are.
Well, it's it's state-run media, like at Fox We have two very distinct uh divisions of Fox.
We have the news division, of which I am not a part of.
Uh although I do I can produce Sean thousands of hours of radio and television doing straight news.
If news is breaking, we're just covering the facts, we do it for hours on end.
I can I can I can produce uh thousands of hours of investigative reporting.
I can produce thousands of hours of me giving my strong opinions, but I'm honest about it.
I'm up front about who I am.
Uh we talk about culture, we talk about sports.
I kind of I I use the analogy that I'm like the c a complete newspaper, but I'm honest about who I am.
They claim to be journalists.
That's the big that's that's the big rub here.
They're not journalists.
They're offering their opinions and claim to be journalists.
Now, if they're journalists, they've got to stick to facts.
And after they got all those things wrong about Jussie Smolet and Nicholas Sandman and about Joe a Rogan taking a horse pill and about Russia collusion.
Do you think they ever apologize for any of it?
No, they don't.
They just move on to the next you know, set of lies and conspiracy theories that they want to peddle and give out their opinion, claiming to be fair and balanced and journalists.
They're just not.
It's it's you know, i it's just a fact to me.
You're right.
They they're apparatus, they're state media, they work for the regime.
And you know, Jeff made an interesting point about their ratings.
You know, they could actually have good ratings if they just did news and were honest about who they are.
But I think it's important to understand they don't care about ratings.
That is an information operation that is run by for and on behalf of the regime.
They don't care if five people watch as long as they are given the power to set the agenda to run debate, to bully anyone who doesn't go against them.
Their entire agenda is helping, supporting, electing the regime.
It's it's not to get people to watch, it's not to entertain and it's not to be truthful.
They want power for the regime, and that's it.
The one good thing is it is being simulcast by uh places like Fox News.
I will be in Atlanta.
I'm sure the fake news CNN people will love seeing me, Jeff.
I'm sure they're gonna give me a warm hero's welcome when I arrive, but uh I will be there and I'll be broadcasting uh from the spin room there, uh, and I'm not expecting anything other than a a pretty good night for Donald Trump.
Yeah, I think that's right.
You know, having been to these my fair share of these debates and been in the spin room, and and for those in your audience who may not be familiar with it, it's a large room where there's chunks set aside for CNN for Fox or New York Times, whatever, whatever, whatever.
Um so so the chances that you can cross paths with these people is there.
And Sean, I'd I'd I'd love to be following you around with my iPhone when when the moment comes that you're passing the CNN booth.
I'm just gonna be polite and say, Hi guys, how are you?
Well not gonna I mean the real problem here, Sean, uh I I I just think that they uh they've done so much damage to themselves that at this point this is this is no longer some sort of secret uh as is this incident with Caroline Levitt showed uh just in the last couple of days.
The American people are on to it.
They get the deal that these people are partisan activists masquerading as journalists.
They get it.
So uh everything that is said and done uh before, after and during this debate, they are gonna they're gonna understand what they're really seeing.
Well, appreciate both of you.
Sean Davis and Jeffrey Lord.
Guys, good to hear your voices.
Thank you both for being with us.
Uh when we come back, we'll hit the phones.
It's 800, 941 Sean as we continue along.
Remember Charlamagne the God and the 2020 election.
If you don't, you know, vote for me, you ain't black.
Let me let me take you back down memory lane.
It's a long way until November.
We got more questions.
You got more questions.
I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump and you ain't black.
Well, Charlemagne actually he's really gained in in popularity and and certainly his his public exposure has been very high lately.
He's very interesting guy to me.
I don't know him.
I met him, I think, once in the hall.
His his studios were above mine whenever I'd be stuck in New York City, although I did like to be around my team, but short of that, I didn't like anything.
And my team's glad because they don't have to get this special corn beef that they can never get and whatever I wanted for lunch at the time, which was nearly impossible.
Like a simple grilled cheese with bacon on sourdough is the hardest and heaviest lift in all of New York City, but putting all of that fun aside, um, so I met him, and I don't think he had a clue who I was.
This is what he said recently as it relates to Joe Biden that if he really cares about democracy, he should drop out if he flops at the debate.
But if he does flop so hard that it's even the media can't deny it, should they pull him?
I would I would say yes.
Um the reason I would say yes is because you you know the base is gonna show up.
And um, but it's about like those independents and those hypothetical swing voters, those people who you know, maybe undecided, you know.
It's about them.
Like those are the ones that I think are really gonna, you know, change the tide of the election, you know, come November.
I don't know what rhetoric or what narrative you you push the people that's gonna have people say, well, you know what, we did this then, but come November, you know, we're gonna be gun-ho, you know, that to show up for you.
So I think that you would probably have no choice, you know, but to but to pull them if you really truly care about you know democracy.
And then he actually went on to say something out loud that I think a lot of people probably have no problem with.
I do have a problem with it.
If he wants to take performance enhancing drugs, okay, that gives him an unfair advantage.
I think the American people need a president that doesn't need performance enhancing drugs just to get through a 90-minute debate.
But anyway, he made the point that Biden should take them for the debate.
Well, okay, maybe that gets him through the debate.
How does that help him govern as president of the United States and the leader of the free world?
It doesn't.
Listen.
And I'll give them a tip for Thursday too.
You know, it's all of this talk going around about you know, uh Biden needing to be drug tested, and you know they want to check him for PEDs.
If they got PEDs to give them, give it to them.
I'm all for the drugs.
Drug them up.
Like give him the same super serum they gave Steve Rogers to make him Captain America, expose him to the same gamma radiation Bruce Banner got exposed to to become the incredible Hulk.
I want him to join a long list of incredible athletes who were better when they were on PED.
The Mark McGuire, the Barry Bonds of the world.
If they got something that can make him look more energetic on Thursday, that can make him look like he's not in cognitive decline, they need to give it to him.
I mean, interesting comments for sure.
Uh, but Joe Biden will never agree to a drug test.
Why?
Because they don't want to drug test him.
I don't know.
Maybe that maybe all that caffeine from Red Bull, and when we get jacked up Joe hyper caffeinated Joe, maybe it just it would just be off the charts.
I don't know.
Or whatever else it is.
Um Adam Carolla, who I think is a pretty funny guy too, uh, is in the news.
Let me play for you his explanation as to why he is moving out of California.
Now it's time to move.
Is it like are you to that point?
Yeah, well, I have uh twins, and they're in their senior year uh of high school, and I couldn't I didn't want to pick up and re you know, tear up their roots, you know.
So people always go, When are you leaving?
And I go, I will be attending their high school graduation in a U-Hall.
I may not get out of it.
I may just park.
I probably won't be able to hear him from where I am, but when I'll see him come across the day, or hell, the boy might not even graduate.
I don't know.
Either way, tooting on the horns, some high beams, and then right.
I'll just be backing out.
And you'll be backing out driving to well, you know, it it that that's a sad testimonial about um California and sort of recent downturn in LA as well.
Because growing up out here, nobody left.
Yeah.
You'd be a fool to leave, you know.
And the notion of moving out of LA and going to like one of the Carolinas or Nashville or Texas, Austin.
I mean, that's like everyone said he watched the beginning of the Beverly Hillbillies.
That's how it worked.
They lived over here and then they came to where we are, and I was already there.
Right.
And now when people go, well, where are you going?
It's like anywhere.
Texas, Florida.
Yeah.
Tennessee.
Like, there's like 15 places.
You know, and that's sad because I don't even have a place that I need to go.
I just need there's a difference between going, I want to live out my retirement years in Maui, or I gotta move to Arizona because I have bronchitis or something.
This ain't that.
This is just I have to leave.
That's I'm even know where I'm going.
This isn't me cheating on you for another woman.
This is I hate you so much, I'm moving into a motel room and not dating for six years.
I mean, pretty pretty profound when you have high-profile people moving out of states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, New I mean California.
They're giving you the reasons why they're leaving, and nobody seems to care.
The only people that seem to care, I've talked to people that have left like states like New York in particular.
Only people that seem to care in the end are the tax collectors in New York.
You know, I've been told that there are more tax collectors from New York that are working in Florida and other states than there are actually working in New York State, because while they don't care that people left, they just want their money, whether they live there, whether they're residents of that state or not residents of that state.
I mean, the stories I've heard, people like, oh, you better be ready.
Oh, you bet.
Well, I mean, we did everything.
I hired more accountants, more lawyers than I can ever tell you, just to make the move to Florida, knowing that that would be the likely scenario.
I don't know, Linda.
Why do I think that maybe they might have a little bit of a target on my back?
I don't know.
Maybe they don't like me in New York, because we had not one but the last two governors actually say that if you're a conservative, like you know, and you believe in the assault weapons, meaning the second amendment, if you're pro-life, if you're anti-gay, I'm not anti-gay, okay?
Then you're not a New Yorker, and there's no place for you in New York, or Kathy Holkel saying, you know, get out of town, get on a bus, go down to Florida, get out of town.
If you know, you're not a New Yorker, if you're a conservative like Lee Zeldon or Donald Trump, get out of town, go to Florida.
All right.
And we're here to say that the era of Trump and Zeldon and Molinaro just jump on a bus and head down to Florida where you belong.
Okay.
Get out of town, get out of town.
Because you don't re you don't represent our values.
You are not New Yorkers.
Their problem is not me and the Democrats.
Their problem is themselves.
Who are they?
Are they these extreme conservatives who are right to life?
Uh pro-assault weapon, anti-gay.
Is that who they are?
Because if that's who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York.
So that's not who New Yorkers are.
All right.
So I've had not one but but two governors in a row telling me that I'm not wanted in New York.
I grew up there.
Now I've left for 16 years and then went back when I got hired by Fox, and then I'm like, well, I I'm obviously not like by the people in New York, as evidenced by, you know, when I walk down the street, not everybody exactly loves me in New York.
Linda, you have seen it with your own eyes.
Yeah, but I have to say, I think that you are um we'd be remiss not to discuss the fact that the Jersey Boys and Nathan Lean literally orchestrated and crafted an entire, I mean, it was just a beautiful piece of music dedicated to you.
Stay.
Stay, Mr. Hennedy, stay.
You got away.
Who would we text to his money was gone?
Who would we impose socialism upon?
Stay Mr. Hennedy, stay pro life and talking.
Stay in your first and second homes, don't disappear forever.
Like Alan Cong.
Please, Mr. Hennedy, please, Mr. Hennedy.
Please be into your infant in vanity.
Keep your unique friend and farming sanity.
Stay away from the rest of humanity.
Stay, Mr. Hannity.
Stay saying, remain in the States.
That fills you with hate.
Stay to stay.
Don't you say?
And second thought, who gives a f what you do?
That last comment by Nathan Lane.
I mean, you know, he brings it home like a true New Yorker.
He's F bombing.
He's angry.
At the end of the day, they can sing a little song, but in their inner soul, they're angry and bitter because they live here in this dump we call New York City, run by socialist liberals.
So that's what it is.
Apparently, they're not, because they they love it.
Oh, they are.
They are.
And I'm just pro-choice in the sense that, okay, if you like that smell and you like that city, and you don't care about the crime, and you don't care about paying a fortune for all of Joe's unvetted illegal immigrants, then stay.
I made the decision to leave.
And I don't regret it.
And things have been so much better for me down here in Florida.
And will I go up and visit?
Maybe.
Not very often.
Uh everyone probably by now knows I sold my house in New York.
I don't think.
By the way, why does anybody care?
I I was kind of surprised by two things.
When I made the announcement in January that I left, because I had left.
My house became public that I put it on the market and then it sold.
Why does everyone seem to care so much about all that stuff?
I don't get it.
Am I missing something?
I mean, we have entire websites dedicated to other people's lives.
People magazine, TMZ.
Um, these are these are organizations that literally make their living following other people around and asking them about their lives.
And I guess at the end of the day, when you have a lazy entitled um disenfranchised, disillusioned, you know, group of people we now call Americans who don't do anything except sit on the couch and get paid for doing nothing and soaking off the teeth of welfare.
I guess it's fun to look at other people who might or might not be doing something.
If you want my honest opinion.
Yeah, I you know, it was John Stewart.
I think John Stewart can be very funny even when he does attack me.
And he does he seems to do it fairly regularly.
Uh, from what I don't get to watch a show.
I guess he's back, he's back on Comedy Central now, right?
He is, thank God.
Trevor Noah was the worst.
Oh, he was the worst.
God awful.
I don't care if you hate me, but be funny.
Like that bit about me was funny as hell.
I mean, the amount of things.
John Stewart is funny.
When they said they take the air train right to your house, I'm like, you clearly have no idea where this man lives.
That train cannot go there.
Come on.
Yeah, the pledge.
Well, they were gonna figure out a way just for me.
Remember that.
It's pretty funny.
Um, and I guess he did his Apple TV show, and maybe he just got sick and tired of doing it.
I don't know, but maybe it was too serious.
I don't know.
I think they probably begged him to come back because Noah sucked.
Yeah, Noah sucked.
There's no doubt about it.
But none of these late night guys are funny anymore.
I mean, if you put Kimmel and Fallon and Colbert together, they don't get combined what either Leno and Letterman got.
Or Johnny Carson.
I mean, Johnny Carson, the OG.
Johnny, forget it.
Well, a little bit of a different era.
There weren't as many choices around.
And Johnny spent what, 33 or four years.
I never heard stories about Johnny.
Johnny was rough in real life.
Yeah, man.
It's it takes a tight, you know, sharp, tough leader to run a ship.
You know, you can't be out there making friends.
That's the problem with liberals.
They want everybody to be sweet and nice, and nobody can hurt anybody's feelings, you know, unless it's them hurting other people.
And who's the tough one on this show?
Is it me or you?
It's me.
Exactly.
It's just supposed to be the opposite way.
I'm like the one I'm like the nice guy.
I'm like, uh okay, everybody.
Hey, at least I'm not proud.
I admit it.
Oh, we gotta get you happy, pills.
The happiest pill we can get you is Trump winning in a mirror.
That's right, baby.
32 days.
I can't.
All right, hey, who?
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Hannity tonight, nine Eastern on Fox News.
Senator Ted Cruz and Jocelyn Nungaree's family will join us.
The tragedy of what happened to this little girl.
It's so heartbreaking.
We'll also check in with Jim Jordan and Congressman Mike Turner.
They have news.
Uh Alina Haba, Trump's legal spokesperson, has news.
We'll also check in with Speaker Johnson, Tudor Dixon, Joe Concha on CNN's abusively biased coverage for this debate that we expect.
All coming up, 9 Eastern set you DVR tonight for Hannity on Fox.
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