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So Louisiana governor, uh Jeff Flandry, Wednesday signed a law requiring that every classroom that receives public funding, including colleges and universities, that they display a Protestant translation of the Ten Commandments.
A number of civil organizations, the ACLU have vowed to file a lawsuit to challenge the law.
He very proudly said he looks forward to the legal challenge, wants the legal challenge, expects the legal challenge.
And I guess what would be in play is the Supreme Court ruling in 1980 that a Kentucky law requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in public uh classrooms being unconstitutional.
All right, this is a different Supreme Court.
Would they change their mind?
Would they change precedent?
Uh that's an issue for a lot of people to discuss and debate.
Uh but anyway, here to discuss and debate.
Uh we have Doug Schoen is back with us, lawyer, political analyst, Roger Severino, vice president of domestic policy and heritage, and Trump's former director director of Office of Civil Rights at the Health and Human Services.
Uh, thank you both for being with us.
Roger, let's start with you.
Uh gutsy move on the part of the governor.
He knows there's going to be a legal challenge.
He knows that the argument's going to be separation of church and state.
What's your reaction?
Well, this is a new Supreme Court.
This is not the same Supreme Court of 30 years ago that was much more hostile to religion.
Here we had many wins on religious exercise and on the Astonishment Clause.
What religion is being established by the Ten Commandments exactly?
Is it Judaism?
Is it Christianity?
Um and how is having something posted an establishment when nobody's required to recite it, to believe it.
There's no coercion.
And in schools across the country, we have the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.
And people stand up and say one nation under God.
Now they're not required to, right?
We have Supreme Court saying that if you have a religious objection or conscientious objection, you don't have to be forced to do that.
But being exposed to it, I mean we have in God we trust in our money.
Um the Declaration of Independence speaks about the creator and nature's God.
So all these things can be posted, and they are part of our history, part of our culture.
It is not an endorsement.
So I think they have a they're going to be challenged by the left, of course, because they'd rather have, you know, LGBT flags being posted in our schools as opposed to the Ten Commandments.
Let's get your take, Doug Schum.
Sean, I I am probably a little older than everybody, and I say that proudly, because I grew up uh saying uh the Pledge of Allegiance, singing the national anthem, and being committed to the values of the Ten Commandments, and I couldn't have been prouder to grow up in a country like that.
I don't see this as establishment of uh uh religion.
I see it as reaffirmation of our core uh values, both as a nation and as a country, and I'm thrilled by this.
And as a Democrat, I wish my party would embrace principles like this.
This is not book burning or book banning anything like this.
This is posting values that I think every decent human being should be exposed to.
Is it fair to say, and when some people say it, I mean you get the the woke mob all you know worked up that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
Is that a fair statement, Doug?
Of course it is.
It's what I what I was brought up on, what gave me pride as a young boy and as a young man, and gives me pride today.
The Judeo Christian ethos is what I am committed to, what I believe.
And Sean, based on our conversations over the years, I know that's how you've led your life, and it has meant a huge amount in my life, my family's life, and I hope and hope that there is a challenge in the Supreme Court allows the Ten Commandments to be posted forevermore.
Based on the Supreme Court precedent, uh, you don't think that's gonna be a factor because this is a different Supreme Court, but there always does, at least historically, there does seem to have always been a lack of desire among justices to go against long-running precedents, and I would say a nineteen eighty decision would probably fit into that category.
Would you agree, Roger?
The Coach Kennedy case where it was uh a coach actually prayed at the fifty yard line at a football uh public high school.
That case said we're getting rid of that old standard, the endorsement, the you know, uh mixing of religion and and the secular sphere in schools, all those cases now have been put into question because of the new precedents.
Town agrees for Galloway.
Can there be legislative prayer?
Can you open up a town council meeting with prayer?
And they talked about the history and tradition of our country.
The founders would have no issue whatsoever with the Ten Commandments being posted in the school.
Not at all.
Look at the McGuffey readers that they had uh for decades that had religious principles, etc.
And that's but they but they did have the Lord's Prayer, the Ten Commandments in schools all the way up until these historic decisions in the nineteen sixties.
Did they not prayer in school?
Oh, yeah, they absolutely did.
But in the And we know, and we never we never evolved into a state-run religion, did we?
No.
Now, there are some limits, and that really comes down to coercion, right?
There's no coercion going on here.
If they simply post the Ten Commandments at the school, it's just like posting a flag, right?
It's laden with meaning, of course, and it's important, but it's it's it's historical, and the values that are included in there aren't just religious, right?
Thou shall not kill, thou shall not be false witness.
You want our our kids lying and killing and stealing and et cetera, and coveting.
No.
And and these these were part of the Judeo-Christian principles that were part of the founding.
And since the founders would have no problem with it, I think the Supreme Court would be much more comfortable with it now.
Your take, Doug, do you agree with that that legal analysis?
I do agree with the legal analysis, and having said the pledges of allegiance, the Lord's player and the like, I said this as a proud Jewish American who went to Sunday school, was far mitz, but I didn't take this as establishment of religion.
I took it as a reassertion and reaffirmation of our core values, which I think frankly today we need more than ever.
So I hope and pray that we get a good ruling from the Supreme Court that makes all of us come together around values that are eternal.
I mean, we certainly need eternal eternal values, don't we?
It seems like we've we've come a long way in going in the other direction.
And I I'm not saying that I would ever endorse or support in any way a state-run religion of any kind.
However, um I think the idea of values is is something that's that's basically been completely eliminated from our school system.
You know, what were the top problems in the years leading up to the Supreme Court decisions on on prayer in school and the the Bible reading actually took place in school, believe it or not.
Uh, you know, what were the top problems in our school system?
You know, talking in class, chewing gum, and running in the halls.
What's the top problems today?
Oh, let's see.
Uh, you know, murder, violence, drug use, uh I mean, uh that it's been such a dramatic shift in the culture, you can't even put a you're you're you can't even put a long li a long enough list together it's gotten so bad.
Uh Roger.
Yeah, our school systems are in shambles, right?
And the Supreme Court has actually said now you can't discriminate against religious schools because of their religious identity.
That's another change that's been welcome and good.
There's been hostility towards religious values, towards religious people, towards religious schools, and that's been part of uh unfortunate a dark chapter of American history.
And I mean Catholic schools were targeted because they were Catholic early in, you know, the eighteen fifties and sixties on.
And now secularists have taken on that original mantle to use what were called blame amendments to go after school funding.
This Supreme Court has rolled that back and said you cannot discriminate against religious schools, religious institutions.
They should have a seat at the table, like everybody else.
And in particular, they're really good at what they do.
They serve inner city poor and offer it at lower prices.
They have m excellent value formation.
These are good things that a secular-minded government, even from the left, should value.
This has such good effects on people that we absolutely can't discriminate against it and exclude it.
And treat it like a secondhand smoke, and no kid could ever be exposed to it.
How did we evolve from talking in class and chewing gum and running in the halls as our top problems to the problems we face today, Doug Schoen?
The breakdown of discipline, Sean, the elimination in the inner city of uh religious-based education like Catholic schools, the absence of a voucher system, the absence of choice in schools, a lack of competition, a lack of discipline, the lack of decency, and the kind of values we grew up with are gone, and it is to our detriment that that is the case.
As a Democrat, as you look at Trump derangement syndrome, I mean, it it's uh look at the paranoia that emerged this week.
You know, Chrissy Teagan, Trump's gonna be investigating her, Rachel Maddow thinks she's gonna be sent to a camp.
Uh Joylis Behart thinks her show's gonna be canceled, AOC thinks she's gonna be jailed.
I mean, they've just seem to have lost their mind, and a party that you know used to have reasonable people in it, like Joe Lieberman is no longer exists.
I don't I don't see anybody that resembles a moderate Democrat in in Washington today.
I don't either, Sean.
I'm a lonely man.
And while I am not a You still have you still have friends, Doug, uh, and there's still an invitation.
You're always welcome to become a conservative or become a Republican, I'm sure.
And I'm an assertive and aggressive moderate, and I think there's plenty of room for us in American society, but the way the left operates, if you do not adhere to their um tenants and principles, you're demonized.
And that to me is, again, contrary to the values I grew up with, contrary to what I think uh we ought to be teaching kids, and what really creates a corrosive society, Sean, and and then it it it saddens me deeply.
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I mean, I think this party's become so radicalized that they can't see straight anymore.
And I don't think there's any greater example of that than the weaponization of justice and and nobody flinching when Mar-a-Lago's uh trillion a billion dollar property valued at 18 million.
That's perfectly okay for a novel political theory to go after Donald Trump for an eight-year-old legal non disclosure agreement that was that was put together by a lawyer and labeled as a legal expense, upcharged to a a federal elections crime, uh, and and everybody thinking, oh, he's a convicted felon in a venue that hates Donald Trump, brought by a DA that pledged to go after Donald Trump.
Your reaction, Roger.
Well, the weaponization of DOJ has reached absurd proportion.
And the main point is if a former president of the United States can be treated this way with kangaroo courts, it could happen to any of us.
There's now a political enemies list that's being generated by the Biden administration.
And I don't know if you heard the story of Dr. Aton Heim, a whistleblower who actually reported on potentially illegal transgender surgeries of minors in in a Texas hospital, and the Biden administration have sent out the FBI to go get him and indicted him for potential HIPAA violation.
HIPAA.
I used to be the HIPAA's the nation's HIPAA regulator under Trump.
This is absurd weaponization that they're un looking at every single way to go after people who disagree with their political agenda.
This is a mockery of the justice system.
It starts with Trump, but it ends with all of us.
And Doug, how does this end here?
I mean, now that the laptop was very real and that we know that Joe lied about it and Hunter lied about it, and fifty-one former Intel officials that knew nothing about it just outright lied because they wanted Joe elected, and the FBI had validated its authenticity in March of twenty uh uh twenty, but yet they were meeting weekly with big tech and war warning them and pre-bunking it by saying that well, you're likely to be victims of disinformation.
It may be about Trump or uh I'm sorry, maybe about Hunter or Joe Biden, and and sure enough, when the story breaks in the New York Post, which they knew would break because they knew Rudy Giuliani's attorney had a copy of it.
Uh, and when Twitter and Facebook asked specifically if the New York Post story is true, they wouldn't give them an answer.
Sounds like they were putting their their cinder blocks on the scales of an election to me, all of them by lying.
To my way of thinking, Sean, the best answer to that question is we have a debate on the twenty-seventh.
Hopefully there will be future debates as well.
And those questions should be uh vetted, answered, and raised with um uh Joe Biden.
And I think there's nothing wrong with that.
There are tough questions for Donald Trump.
They should be asked tough questions for Joe Biden, and as we sit here today, I can't tell you that what you're saying about the laptop or the 51 intelligence agents is wrong.
I look forward to hearing what Joe Biden has to say, but our democracy is strengthened.
Well, Joe Biden better be careful because his own son says he gives half his income to Pops.
That would be the foreign money that he's making, and uh ten percent goes to the big guy, and that he lied to the American people, according to Devin Archer.
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Roger Severino, Doug Schoen, thank you.
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Uh in a second, we're going to be joined by Charlie Kirk.
He has a brand new book out.
Uh it's on Amazon.com.
We're putting it up on Hannity.com.
It'll be in bookstores all around the country.
Uh right wing revolution, how to beat the woke and save the West.
You know, I've and I'm I I have never been, as I've said many times, this afraid about the direction of this country.
I have never been more concerned about the state of the world because we have a president that has abdicated his role as president, being the leader of the free world, and even has gone as far as to surrender in the war against radical Islamic terrorism.
Never thought that would happen in our lifetime.
Uh when you get to values and the culture wars that are going on in the country, you know, look look at what we heard in just the last week, week and a half from the radicalized left.
I mean, we first heard conspiracy theorist and Rachel Maddow, you know, express real worry and concern that Donald Trump, if he's elected, is gonna put her in a camp.
Not even sure Donald Trump knows who Rachel Maddow is.
You know, that comment was echoed in an exchange when Maddow went on that hard-hitting news show, The View with Joy Liz Behar, and this is what ensued.
You said recently that you thought that you, as an outspoken critic, could be a target yourself.
Some people think that sounds over dramatic, but I'm right there with you.
I think that he is so um benedictive that he will go after however he has to through the IRS, maybe, or even you know, uh through sponsors to get us off the air, maybe you.
I think it's bad to have somebody saying, give me as much power as you can in this country so I can use it to go after other Americans.
And then Chrissy Teagan, the actress, again, I take doubt she's on Donald Trump's radar making similar comments.
And then nobody can outdo AOC who's thinking Donald Trump, if he's elected, he may put me in jail and everything.
Listen.
If Donald Trump wins, we are looking at the potential dissolution of democracy in the United States of America.
It sounds nuts, but like I wouldn't be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.
It sounds nuts.
She should have stopped there, because it is nuts.
And even Nicole Wallace, you may recall Nicole Wallace helped run McCain and Governor Sarah Palin's campaign.
Even she is expressing similar sentiments.
Listen.
I've seen that toast a bunch of times.
But it landed very differently this year.
Because depending on what happens in November, seven months from right now, this time next year, I might not be sitting here.
I may not be a White House correspondence dinner or a free press.
Wow.
Maybe what they're really fearing is that which they have done to conservatives, because it's people like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, more recently Peter Navarro, who's been in jail the last few months, uh people like Steve Bannon that's going to jail, uh, what they have done with lawfare and the weaponization of our justice system to Donald Trump.
Maybe they fear that the Pandora's box they open would be used against them.
Maybe that's what they really fear fear.
Nor can they run on are you better off than you are four years ago.
Anyway, we welcome uh back to the program.
It's been a while.
Uh Charlie Kirk.
Uh he is the founder of Turning Point USA.
He has a brand new book out, Right Wing Revolution, How to Beat the Woke, Save the West, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, and bookstores around the country.
Uh Charlie, great to have you back.
How you been?
Sean, great honor.
Thanks so much.
And that was a great intro, and I share that concern.
I've I've not been around that long, only about twelve years in this space, and I'm 30 years old, but I share that concern.
It is an existential crisis against our country.
By the way, you're making me feel really old.
Thanks a lot, Charlie.
Thanks so much.
Great compliment.
I don't have the wisdom in years that you have.
So uh I'm saying I have a lot to learn, and uh, but I boy, I'm concerned about America, my goodness.
But but you know something, I mean, your star is really taken off.
And the thing that interests me about Turning Point is I've I've watched from afar and I'm I'm very aware of what you've been doing.
And by the way, congratulations to you.
It's I I tip my hat to you and all of your success.
It's been harder and you're working hard.
And you you're reaching a lot of people, but your original goal was to reach younger people, and we do see a phenomenon that is emerging in this election, according to the polls, that African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and young people, and you hear Carvel ranting and raving about young people, that they are abandoning the Democratic Party.
Do you believe that's real?
I I do, and you know, we've been working really hard on that in the last twelve years and even covering this super well.
Um yeah, look, we don't know to what extent it will actually manifest in this election, and we talk about this in the book, but there certainly is a course correction.
Uh younger voters are seeing that they cannot afford a home under the Biden economy.
One amazing number, Sean, that we decided to keep on repeating and repeating.
According to Zillow.com, when Donald Trump left the uh Oval Office, it required 71,000 a year to purchase a single family home in this country.
Now it is a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a year.
So let's say you're a twenty-six year old millennial, you just got married and you want to settle down and start a family.
To buy a single family home is fifty thousand dollars a year more it requires to just be able to get what you're you know, the parent our our parents' generation was able to enjoy.
And so they're looking at Donald Trump and they remember back to the Trump economy how things were much easier, more affordable, um, and the American dream was more alive.
And so younger voters are certainly for the first time since 1988 looking where they actually might favor the Republican candidate.
Uh Joe Biden is pushing forward an extreme ideological agenda that is filled with abstractions and lies and inconsistencies.
And one other element of this is number one, President Trump is running an excellent campaign.
I think that Susie Wiles and James Blair, they're doing a great job of putting Donald Trump in friendly environments, but also difficult environments where he has to sometimes joust with podcast hosts like Logan Paul.
But second element is that the convictions have probably hurt Donald Trump a little bit with older voters, but they've helped exceedingly with younger voters.
He's looked as the rebel as the man who is fighting the system.
And so that comes with, you know, some difficult territory to navigate, but all things being equal, we are seeing record gains of Donald Trump expanding the tent and opening up the opportunity to do historically well with blacks, Hispanics, and younger voters.
It's exciting, and no one would have predicted it.
When I saw him a week and a half ago, he was about as dialed in as I have ever seen him.
And you probably don't remember this, but back in twenty fifteen and sixteen when I supported President Trump.
I mean, you you you had people like Glenn Beck and oh so many, but Ben Shapiro, by the way, people that I like.
I want to be very clear.
But they were beating the crap out of me on a daily basis because I was supporting Trump because I knew we could win, and his ideas were out of the box, and it was taking conservatism to a new level.
And and I think I was proven right.
I think his presidency was extraordinarily successful.
I think his plans now would be similarly, he'd be extraordinarily successful.
What is your reaction when I play the tapes that I just played or the predictions Maddow thinks she'll be in a camp and an AOC thinks she'll be in jail and and Joy Liz Bayhard thinks she'll lose her show, and Nicole Wallace thinks she may lose her show.
What's your reaction to all that?
Because that goes to the heart of your book about wokeness.
That's right.
And first, Sean, you do you deserve a ton of credit.
You were really early, earlier than me with Trump, by the way.
Um, and you were just you saw the whole thing.
You saw the working class, the muscular class, how Donald Trump could expand the tent.
Um and you by the way, Charlie, you know what it was?
The forgotten men and women in this country.
And you know what this election is about?
The same thing.
Yeah, and you saw the whole thing.
The the muscular class, the forgotten men and woman, the plumber, the electrician, the web, the police officer, the firefighter, and you saw it, and uh Many of us were late to the later than you to kind of see how Donald Trump could rebuild that Reagan coalition.
Look, my reaction first and foremost is they think he's going to win.
They wouldn't be talking like that if the inner chatter of the Democrat Party was super confident in Joe Biden.
Now, I don't necessarily believe that we're a hundred percent going to win.
I give us a fifty-fifty shot, but the Democrats are talking openly and they're almost lamenting as if you know they're gonna be sent to the gulags.
But number three, I mean just it it is it is extraordinary to hear them say this.
There's no basis in it.
By what means would that actually happen?
But are they terrified that that there actually might be equal justice in this country at some point?
We do not want the weapon weaponization of anything, to be perfectly clear.
But are they afraid that they might have reached too far?
Are they afraid that they have gone and used the system of justice against media figures, as you mentioned, as against people that might fight back against the regime?
And so I I try not to take it too seriously.
These are very neurotic people.
Uh they spend all day long worrying about Donald Trump and they've made their entire life obsessed about it.
And I gotta be honest, Sean, you popularize that term, Trump derangement syndrome.
At first I was like, Oh, that's a little cute.
I don't know if I like it.
What an accurate term.
It is a real clinical problem, TDS.
And these people, they've they they've let it dominate their life, they've let it destroy their relationships.
Um and they're kind of like husks of their former selves.
I mean, Rachel Maddow's program this last week was so h sad to watch.
I mean, she it could she be any more apocalyptic.
It was like watching Greta Thunberg on cable TV.
She said this is going to be the end of politics as we know it.
And we talk about this in the book, Right Wing Revolution, where the it is always the end of the world crisis for the American left.
And I think eventually the hysteria will run out.
I mean, growing up we're always tall told the story of the boy who cried wolf.
I think the American people are no longer going to fall with the mass hysteria, the mass the madness, um, and they're gonna want to go back to stability order and America's dominance in the world, and I believe that is Donald Trump.
You know, it's interesting.
When I interviewed the president, I asked him about the issue of the weaponization of our justice system and and whether or not he would ever want to do uh to them.
Because that's what the left talks about that he'd be involved in retribution.
And I realize that a lot of people missed my point.
They said, Hannity, why are you pressing the president on this?
This is so wrong of you.
They of course they should happen.
I'm like, no.
Conservatives have fidelity to our constitution.
But for example, that doesn't mean now that the very real laptop that we were lied to about in the weeks leading up to the twenty twenty election.
Well, now that it's been authenticated and and validated, which the FBI did in March of twenty twenty, putting that aside for a minute.
Hunter Biden implicates his own father, doesn't he?
When he says half his income goes to Pops.
When they talk about ten percent for the big guy, wouldn't he he's asking their financial guy, well, which account should we pay for Pops home repair?
Which account should we take the money out of?
Uh all implicating Joe Biden as being a beneficiary of these foreign business deals.
That's not lawfare.
That's equal justice and equal application of our laws.
And that what that would be within the realm of having fidelity to the Constitution, wouldn't it?
And I think some people misunderstood me.
Oh, absolutely, you're spot on.
And that's right.
And if we they have now opened the precedent that former presidents are fair game.
So it wouldn't be unprecedented.
And let's be honest, the crimes that the Bidens have engaged in is worse than anything Donald Trump has ever been accused of.
Let's just be and and I don't think Donald Trump has actually ever committed a crime, especially in this New York nonsense.
But what the Bidens have done, and we see it in the laptop, is they were selling out access to America and the American federal government for foreign cash.
And then they lied about it and they represented foreign agencies and countries.
And you bring up a great point.
I think there's a lot of disgust and there is a pent-up anger in this country that will manifest in November of people that did not get the full story of the 2020 election.
We must remember, according to Brent Bozel's great group, the Media Research Center, that a twenty to twenty five percent of all swing voters would have changed their vote if they would have heard about the Biden laptop from hell.
That means that if we would have been able to get the laptop out back in October of twenty twenty, and the New York Post didn't lose their Twitter account, I lost my Twitter account, we had Twitter do mass censorship, Facebook do mass censorship.
We might not actually have President Biden right now.
And as things stand right now, we're running against the same man and the same crime family, and I think there's a lot of people that have buyer's remorse and also are very upset that a bunch of oligarchs in Silicon Valley decided that they were they were not allowed to hear about this incredible.
Well, remember they were pre bunked by the FBI that was meeting with them weekly.
Yoel Ross, that's right.
Yoel Ross had standing room meetings with uh the FBI, and it was very interesting.
Not only was it Twitter, but Mark Zuckerberg went on Joe Rogan's program in August of 2022 and said, Oh, yeah, by the way, the FBI visited us many times in the summer of 2020 and told us that something was coming and uh we have to be on edge about it.
Uh Charlie, we've got 136 days until election day, eighty-seven days till early voting starts in in Pennsylvania, and six days until I think uh a three-on-one debate that the whole country's gonna watch.
Uh we uh we hope uh you'll come back again.
Thank you.
Thanks, Sean.
You're the best.
Thanks so much.
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