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Oh, Michael Cohn agrees.
Trump was worried about uh his family and his children with the uh McDougall story.
Oh.
You mean something other than the election?
You mean there might have been other motivation.
And remember, if you even buy into the convoluted upcharge of what is really a misdemeanor in New York, bookkeeping error, whose statute of limitations has passed.
I know this gets a little wordy.
Uh even if you buy into that, well, the word intent comes into play.
You have to intend, meaning Donald Trump had to intend to purposefully break the law.
This is where we get it, that we get into this with every attorney.
Uh even on fake news CNN, and even a couple on MSDNC, the Conspiracy Theory Channel.
And that is that, sorry, we don't even know what the upcharge is and how they came to this convoluted legal theory.
It's not been discussed much in this case.
Uh and certainly the law's not been discussed in this case, uh, nor has the issue of the statute of limitations on the misdemeanor having long expired, why it was even brought, or why the Department of Justice has weaponized as it is under Joe Biden.
Uh, why in fact they decided not to charge Donald Trump uh after they looked at the case, uh why Alvin Bragg initially uh decided not to charge, uh, but the two people that left his office and embarrassed him, obviously pushed him into doing it.
His predecessor, predecessor, Cy Vance was against it, because there's no law that they have identified that Donald Trump in fact broke.
And and again, we've had salacious details and Stormy Daniels.
I mean, it's a clown show.
You know, you got the liar, uh convict, uh Disbard, uh Michael Cohn.
Oh, he got killed today.
But I'm gonna get to that in a second.
It was like a s everyone keeps saying that was in the courtroom that I talked to today.
I talked to a lot of people in the courtroom.
They they all said the same thing.
It's like a scene from my cousin Vinny.
You ever watched movie My Cousin Vinny?
Linda, you gotta love it because uh uh Joe Petchy kind of reminds me of you a little bit in the way he talks.
You know, when he talks to the judge uh in Alabama and he goes, uh, well, the you the two uts.
What you what's a youte?
Um that movie is a classic.
Uh I have to say, though, in my lifetime, I have never been compared to Joe Pesci.
Many things, but not Joe Besides.
No, no, no, no.
Thank you for that.
Only, only, only the the accent.
And how and how great is uh Marissa Tour May in that movie, too.
And she ends up uh winning the case for Petie, and She ends up being the hero.
I should have compared you to her.
I thought that may have been her greatest role ever.
I love her movie.
Good fellows is a to what?
What was that word?
What word?
To what?
What?
Did you say youte?
Yeah, does you can't make it up.
By the way, and I lived a little of this life when I started in radio.
I didn't realize how thick a New York accent I had.
And I worked at limiting it quite a bit.
Sean, Talk Radio, Coffee, New York.
Well, I think it was particularly hard because you started at first of all, I mean, you started in many places, but then you found a home in Alabama.
No, my first George gig 1990 in Huntsville, Alabama, and I'm very honored.
I still I was talking to the the guy that hired me, the well, one of the two guys, one passed away, my buddy Dave Stone was a wonderful man, and Bill Dunovan, who owned the station at the time, and he they hired me over the phone, and I have no idea why they hired me, but I mean I got noticed in town, and you know, man, Sean, how you doing, man?
Welcome to Huntsville.
Man, you talk funny.
I'm like, I talk funny, you talk funny.
Anyway, this is right out of it.
You can't make it up.
I left town two years later.
Goodbye to the talk show host from Health, local paper.
I leave Atlanta four years after that, 92 to 96.
And your end edition, Atlanta Journal Constitution.
1996 was a great year.
The Olympics came and Sean Hannity left.
I guess I made an impression.
What do you say?
Yeah, I mean, you know, liberals like to be triggered.
It looks like it's nothing new after all.
Yeah, they didn't like my uh takedown of fake Jake.
Oh, by the way, you know what they just have done?
They now are encouraging me to bring up more fake Jake examples of his uh uh bias against Donald Trump.
And we'll get to that later today.
But let me tell you what happened in the courtroom and why people are comparing this to my cousin Vinny, because I think it's very very pertinent to everything that we're watching unfolding before our very eyes.
And and this is lawfare in America.
This is where it gets very serious.
You know, this should not be happening in the United States of America, but it's but it's happening right before our very eyes, and it's very scary.
Anyway, so uh, and there was so much that went on today.
Let me give you the the the my cousin Vinny moment.
All right.
The defense starts asking Cohn about a series of calls he got, prank calls in 2016.
Now, why is this relevant?
Because it's at the time that earlier in the week and then reaffirmed today, that he says that he had this ex earlier in the week extensive conversation with Donald Trump about the Stormy Daniels issue.
Now, if you watch Bob Costello, who went before Congress yesterday and testified as as Michael Cohn's former attorney, who you know, apparently, you know, claims that attorney client privilege, and I never asked how, but it was waived by Michael Cohn, but anyway, and he went into a long explanation that as his attorney said, okay, uh Michael Cohn desperately wanted out of legal trouble.
He said, All right, I'm a good lawyer.
Uh what can you give them about Donald Trump?
That's what they want.
That'll get you out of legal trouble.
He said, Well, I can't, I don't I don't have anything against Donald Trump.
He didn't do anything wrong.
That's what he said.
And Bob Cohn testified before Congress yesterday.
He was on America's Newsroom before I was today.
I was on Fox earlier today.
And long story short, and then he goes on to say that his client at the time, also, Michael Cohn, bragged about how he himself made this whole deal, and Donald Trump knew nothing about it.
Well, that impeaches his entire testimony and impeaches the entire case.
Not only could you not have intent if you're Donald Trump, it couldn't have happened based on what Michael Cohn said according to his attorney.
And let's see who else might be called to the witness stand.
We don't know yet.
They're still on cross-examination right now.
Oh, by the way, uh, they're playing Robert Costello in the courtroom.
Oh, Robert Costello's on Fox News right now.
And former legal advisor to Michael Cohn.
I mean, It was devastating what he was saying.
Anyway, and he comes off as extraordinarily credible.
It's like this guy's the real deal attorney.
You think he has a prosecution background?
Everybody I know that knows him says he's the top guy.
Anyway, so why is this relevant today?
Why were they asking about these prank calls in 2016?
Now, Todd Blanch, who is President Trump's attorney, who was cross-examining Michael Cohn.
He went over call logs with Cohn and Trump's former bodyguard, Keith Schiller.
And Cohn testified Cohn testified earlier this week that he made a call to Schiller in October 2016 to speak to Donald Trump and confirm the issue of hush money and the payment to Stormy Daniels.
Blanch then questioned Cohn about a series of harassing phone calls that Cohn uh claimed he received at, well, at exactly around the same time.
And then referring to text messages between Cohn and Keith Schiller, because he said the conversation with Trump was through Keith Schiller's phone.
Blanch pointed to a message exchange where Cohn was uh asking advice and help from Schiller about a 14-year-old prank caller, and in the message exchange, Schiller asked Cohn to call him.
Apparently, Schiller then tried to call him then Cohn called him back.
According to the call logs, the call made to Schiller was like a minute and thirty-two seconds.
That's it.
And Blanche then made the point that the call was too short.
And Michael Cohn said, no, I talked to Schiller, and then I also talked to uh to Donald Trump about the Stormy thing.
And again, having characterized it earlier in the week is extensive.
Um he did it all in a minute and thirty some odd seconds.
I'm like, uh, not possible.
And that's that was the whole point.
In other words, it didn't happen.
Anyone that believes that, it was like, wow.
Now, I added my sources.
And uh, you'll hear from some of them tonight.
Uh, not exactly my sources, but people that were in the courtroom.
You'll hear uh what they thought of what happened and how the jury reacted.
And apparently the jury was like, holy boom.
This was a cubboom moment.
Now, an interesting sidebar to this is the prosecution had those text messages.
They didn't share them with Michael Cohn.
Then you have to ask the question, why?
Why wouldn't they have shared it with Michael Cohn?
You know, less than two minutes long, and you're saying that you dealt with this issue of this this prank caller in 90 seconds, and you dealt with uh the all the details of the Stormy Daniel issue with Donald Trump in the same call.
And and when asked, is that what your testimony is, Mr. Cohn?
Yes.
I did that in 90 plus a little over 90 seconds.
Wow.
Blanche arguing that the call that Cohn is claiming was informing Trump about this deal with Stormy Daniels was actually about him dealing with a prank caller with text messages to back it up.
Wow.
That is a is that a my cousin Vinny moment, would you say, Linda?
I mean, it definitely is.
It's you know, Mursa Tilmay says to Joe Pessy in that scene, like the defense is wrong, and essentially Blanche is getting him on the scene.
The defense is wrong.
That's right.
Exactly.
And you know, did a pretty good job.
You did actually do a pretty good job.
A little too good, actually.
You know, we're on Marissa out of work.
You know, she's working hard in that scene.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, thanks a lot.
You know, now you're comparing me to Marissa.
I guess payback is a good one.
Yeah, welcome.
It is indeed.
I mean, it's pretty amazing.
That is a that's what you call in court a checkmate moment.
You know, when asked if thinking about Trump in prison gives him joy, Michael Cohn.
Well, that sounds correct.
Then they have the clip of Cohn on his podcast thanking D.A. Bragg for indicting Trump.
That was played for the jury.
And then Blanche asking Cohn if he learned about the indictment before it was unsealed, and he says he learned about the indictment before it was unsealed.
And Judge Mershawn sustains the prosecution's objection to Cohn's text messages, And Cohn reviewed the text messages that he had with Detective Jeffrey Rosenberg.
And by the way, and uh, you know, which, of course, this judge uh there's nothing the the Biden donor judge is just useless.
You know, this is what lawfare is.
This is what unequal justice under the law is.
Anyway, they touted this uh five to six point lead over Nevada, but Trump should have said 13 points because that's what it is, 10 points in Georgia, seven in Michigan, seven in Arizona, and three in Pennsylvania.
Uh anyway, Cohn even admitted the outcome of this trial would affect him personally, blames others for the crimes he was convicted of.
Asked if he told Congress uh that he lied to a judge under oath, he said I did not.
And then he says, Do you know what perjury means?
He's asked.
Cohn questioned about previous statements that the uh Southern District of New York prosecutors lie.
Blanche asks if Cohn was induced or put under pressure to plead guilty.
He agrees.
Cohn claims he made false statements to be loyal to Trump, and then Cohn admits to the jury he lied under oath during his 2017 testimony before Congress, admits to meeting with federal agents 17 times, and each time uh he was told it's a felony to lie, and he said he knew a paralegal was monitoring his social media, but it didn't stop him from posting, and asked about his TikToks, uh saying he had excitement about the trial starting.
Doesn't sound like a guy that's exactly fair and balanced, does it?
Or particularly good witness to add to that point.
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We don't have enough time to play all this, but uh, even on fake news uh CNN, Anderson Cooper was stunned by the cross-examination that, you know, uh of Michael Cohn.
I'm gonna I'm gonna play this on the other side of the half hour.
It was incredible.
Lawyers want to build a box around the witness and slam it shut.
That's what Todd Blanche did to Cohn.
It was an extraordinary cross.
Cohn was cornered in a lie.
Oh, that's only one.
Uh and uh Anderson Cooper.
Uh if I think uh if I was a juror on this case, I think if I was a juror watching that, uh, I would think this guy's making it up as he goes along.
Wow.
That is a spectacular comment.
Now, this may actually take the cake, and I'm a little surprised by this.
You know, if you look at the view, you have a Trump hater, Alyssa Farrer is on that show.
She doesn't like Donald Trump.
And anyway, I couldn't today convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
Michael Cohn is just such a problematic figure.
Whoopsie Daisy.
Uh I would say my cousin Vinny just about sums it up, don't you think?
I just do.
Anyway, we are we're gonna get to all of it.
We'll have analysis, legal analysis, and and so much more.
Uh good day for Donald J. Trump in a New York City courtroom.
However, my admonition remains, and that is I don't think he can get a fair trial in New York City, even with this judge.
Now, the judge, by the way, uh should absolutely, you know, have a directed verdict and end this case.
He won't do it.
Mark my words.
All right, 25 to the top of the air.
I'm just gathering my final materials as quickly as I uh can here.
Uh let me see.
This just breaking, breaking, breaking.
Okay.
All right, great.
Um, all right.
So let me let me go through this in a minute with you.
I mean, a devastating day as it relates to Michael Cohn and cross-examination and this this sham trial that's been going on in New York.
Now, I'm not telling you that this guarantees a not guilty verdict.
I'll take a hung jury that on this case any day in a venue like New York, any day of the week.
That would be a massive win.
And by the way, uh the judge in this case, if the judge had any integrity, I'm sorry.
This judge would absolutely throw this out on a directed verdict that they did not they did not present evidence of laws broken.
But this judge, Biden donor, family conflicts uh alleged repeatedly, and uh a guy that knows or should know that the statute of limitations ran out, that this would be a misdemeanor, you know, going along with this convoluted, frankly, unstated legal theory.
Nobody can identify what Donald Trump's even being charged with.
It's insane.
This this is not equal justice and equal application of our laws in this country.
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Shall I go back?
I think I shall.
All right.
Uh let's start with Anderson Cooper on how stunned he was by uh Trump's attorney's cross-examination of Michael Cohn.
Listen.
The last 20 minutes of court today, right before the lunch break, it was incredible.
I mean, it was uh, you know, Ellie Honig on my program last night had talked about, you know, on a cross-examination, uh, lawyers want to kind of put the the uh the witness in a you know build a box around the witness and then slam it shut.
That's what Todd Blanch did to to Michael Cohen.
Michael Cohen was was cornered in what appeared to be Uh a lie, I think to many in in the room, uh, and had to adjust suddenly his memory that he had just testified to on Tuesday.
Cornered in what appeared to be a lie.
Oh, okay.
And what he had testified to Tuesday.
I'm told that the jury was stunned.
They absolutely could not believe what they were hearing.
Anyway, you know, and he says, I think if I was a juror in this case watching, I would think this guy's making it up as he goes along.
Listen to this comment.
Anderson Cooper, not exactly a Hannity conservative or a Trump conservative.
Listen.
Having just witnessed that piece of cross-examination, do you have doubts that that conversation happened the way Michael Cohen testified on his direct examination?
That called Trump and Sir.
I think it's de Absolutely.
I think it's devastating.
I mean, for Michael Cohen's credibility on this, I mean, in this one particular topic, whether it's, you know, he just didn't.
I mean, it's it's hard to I don't know.
Yes.
Uh I think uh uh if I was a juror in this case watching that, I would think this guy's making this up as he's going along.
Making it up.
Uh, yeah.
Lie.
Wow.
Fake news CNN.
Now, over at that hard-hitting news show on ABC, The View.
By the way, why don't they let uh Joy Behar do the ABC debate?
Kind of like fake Jake Tapper.
Anyway, they have Alyssa Ferrer work for Trump, hates Trump.
And, you know, you can watch that show.
Everybody on that show hates Trump.
Okay.
Even listen to what she said today.
I couldn't.
Well, I don't we don't have the tape.
I couldn't today convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
Cone is such a problematic figure.
Wow.
Now, I had a couple of people that I talked to in the courtroom today during the break, and and I spoke to them uh before we came on the air today, and they were all unanimous.
This was like a oh wow, I can't believe it moment.
Now I'll have a number of these people on Hannity uh tonight, and you know, and I kept saying two people said it was like my cousin Vinny.
Now, there was a a very key moment in my cousin Vinny.
This was the checkmate moment.
The car that made those two equal length tire marks had posit traction.
Now you can't make those marks without positive traction, which was not available on the 64 Buick Skylock.
Listen.
No, it is a trick question.
Why is it a trick question?
Watch this.
A Chevy didn't make a 327 in 55.
The 327 didn't come out until 62.
And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel car until 64.
However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
Well, oh, she's acceptable, Your Honor.
Thank you.
I mean, then then we get to the moment.
I mean, that was the lead up to this, because the uh the the prosecutor's like, uh, okay.
You she's looking at Marissa Tourmay, and she's, you know, uh, you know, dressed very dressy, kind of, you know, New York stylish dressing.
Is that a fair way to say it, Linda?
And a nice way to say it.
And anyway, and and anyway, she comes off.
You wouldn't think, well, my father was a mechanic, my brothers were mechanics, my uncles were mechanics.
There's someone, okay, okay.
The guy goes, okay, let me let me put you to the test.
And then the guy asked the question.
The prosecutor asked the question.
And that's when Joe Petra goes, yeah, listen to this, because it's his girlfriend who wants to get married.
You know, and then it's another funny moment that I won't talk about.
My clock is ticking.
Um, but anyway, and then the you know what another funny moment is?
You're gonna go hunting.
So there's a little deer dancing in the woods, goes for the brook, takes a little sip of water, and then come bam.
You know, basically shooting Bambi.
It's very funny.
But she does the checkmate moment.
The car that made these two equal length tire marks had positive traction.
You can't make those marks without positive traction, which would not be available on the 64 Buick Skylark.
And she's talking about the differential where positive traction means that both tires would spin.
You got it?
Yeah.
I mean, this this movie is one of those movies that, you know, this is the Michael Cohen moment.
You know, that this is the moment where they are they are looking to sort of like turn it on its ass, right?
So they're saying, Michael Cohen, how did you convey all of this information?
You know, it's taking you it's taking us days to do it in a courtroom.
You tell me you did it in a minute on the telephone while you talked about some kid that was prank calling you.
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Now, add to that the testimony before Congress today.
Now, I had an opportunity earlier, as I said, to be on America's Newsroom with Bill Hammer and Dana Perino, and both they're both friends of mine.
And anyway, I came on after uh attorney Robert Costello.
He was Michael Cohn's attorney.
And and you know, he goes into great specificity and great detail of about the case, but I think one of the main things he said that D.A. Bragg's office hid conversations from the grand jury that he had with Cohn that Trump did nothing wrong.
And those kind went into detail yesterday before Congress.
This is devastating.
It totally impeaches everything that well, the convicted liar, uh, Michael Cohn, uh, admitted liar, even uh, this Bard lawyer uh had to say.
And one of the main arguments that he was making, and and that got pointed out today, and he tried to backtrack on his testimony from Tuesday after he got checkmated by Donald Trump's attorneys today.
I mean, Todd Blanch did a phenomenal job, but Costello said, you know, uh yeah, I represented him, and I'm I guess he has waiver a waiver on attorney client privilege, so he's free to talk.
And anyway, so he said, Yeah, Michael Cohn came to me for legal advice, and I said, Okay, what's your problem?
Okay, Donald Trump.
Uh I want to get out of all legal trouble.
I said, I know what they want.
They're gonna what what do you got on Donald Trump?
Because that's what's gonna get you a get out of jail free card.
He goes, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
He didn't do anything wrong.
Whoopsie Daisy.
That's not what Michael Cohn's saying every day on his little podcast and his little TikToks where he's obsessed with Trump.
And then he actually went even further and identified that Michael Cohn bragged to him that no, I I did the whole Stormy Daniels deal myself and didn't even tell Donald Trump.
I'm like, wow.
You you just you can't make these moments up.
Here's uh Bob uh Costello uh from his hearing yesterday on Capitol Hill.
And I said to him, I said, Michael, the way this works is if you have truthful information about Donald Trump, that's clearly what they're looking for.
I can have all your legal problems solved by the end of the week.
His response, I swear to God, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
He focused on Melania Trump.
He said, I didn't want to embarrass Melania Trump.
He said that's why I decided to take care of this on my own.
I went back to that several times.
You did this on your own, on my own.
Did Donald Trump have anything to do with it?
No.
Is there a single branch of government that Michael Cohen hasn't lied to?
Gee, I I think there isn't.
Wow.
I mean, it's just devastating.
But this is the whole case.
This is what they've got.
You know, and you know, Cohen, you know, clarifies he wanted a hybrid position.
And all these other people have said that no, he was like really lobbying to be chief of staff, and then he only said, Well, uh, I wanted to be considered for ego purposes.
Well, what does that kind of answer mean?
It's sort of like when they had the beginning of cross-examination, and and Michael Cohn was asked on the issue of whether or not he lied to the special counsel, and he said, Well, I wouldn't characterize it as a lie.
Well, is it a lie?
Well, again, I I wouldn't say it was a lie, was a tr I would say it's not accurate.
Well, it's not accurate a lie.
Again, I've you know, I would say it's not accurate.
Well, if you want to call it a lie, I guess we'll call it a lie.
I mean, after a long back and forth.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
You know, and then when they get into the Trump civil fraud trial, and Cohn said he was not offered cooperation in the case.
He claims he didn't recall when asked about Costello, by the way, that he had nothing on Trump.
He doesn't recall that, but he has a memory that is just, you know, absolutely perfect about every conversation with Donald Trump from 2016.
He he said, yeah, he wanted a pardon to end this nightmare.
He says that the outcome of this trial will impact him personally.
He said he blames others for the crimes he committed.
It was convicted of.
I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
I mean, this couldn't be a worse witness.
You know, asked if he told Congress that he lied under to a judge under oath.
He says I did not.
Cohn says he knows what perjury means.
He, you know, quote was he was questioned about previous statements that the Southern District of New York prosecutors lie.
Blanche asked if Cohn was induced or put under pressure to plead guilty, and he agrees.
Comb claims he made false statements to be loyal to Trump.
Cohn questioned on past instances of you know lying on the stand.
He admits to the jury he lied under oath during his 2017 testimony before Congress.
He admits, you know, with meeting all these federal officials.
I think we should get into a lot of that now.
I mean, there's a it's still going ongoing.
You know, it'll let we're gonna we just have so much ground to cover.
But I mean, this was not a good day for Alvin Bragg.
Oh, and the former third highest ranking member of the weaponized Department of Justice of your president Joe Biden.
I mean, it really, I mean, they just totally undermine Michael Cohn's credibility.
But with that, the case.
Here's the he's the star witness.
And the other star witness Stormy didn't do particularly well either.
Talked a lot about salacious material.
It's uh irrelevant and immaterial.
Why the judge let that in?
I don't know.
Now they had been talking about maybe having a uh uh the trial next Wednesday heading into the weekend.
Apparently they are not going to work next Wednesday.
He said that's off the table, uh, which I think these drawers probably need a break, you know, and how he tried to secure early releases, and none of that has been effective.
And all of this, you know, comes down to this one minute and thirty some odd second conversation.
That text message is confirmed he was talking to Keith Schiller, Trump's bodyguard, about a totally unrelated matter.
I mean, it's it's really these are incredible times that we are living in.
I'll tell you that.
Only where I can put it.
Anyway, 800-941 Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the program.
All right, so much coming up.
We just you know, more developments in this case unfolding a disastrous day for the prosecution in New York City.