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If you want to be a part of the program, Bob Costello, his testimony used to be Michael Cohn's attorney.
And then apparently Cohn, according to Costello, waived Kerney client privilege.
So he's able to talk all about what he said.
Now, the amazing thing is he was giving Michael Cohn from the get-go a get out of jail free card.
Now, think about this.
He said, okay, I'll be a lawyer.
He's asking how he gets out of this.
I'll tell you how to get out of this.
You get out of it.
What do you got on Trump?
Well, I've got nothing.
Like, well, if you don't have anything, I can't get you out of it.
And then he goes on to say and testify before Congress yesterday, and he was on America's newsroom this morning before I was on.
I was like, wow.
That in fact, Cohn told him in no uncertain terms, he did this entire deal on his own, and Trump didn't know a thing about it.
Wow.
Listen to this.
And I said to him, I said, Michael, the way this works is if you have truthful information about Donald Trump, that's clearly what they're looking for.
I can have all your legal problems solved by the end of the week.
His response, I swear to God, Bob, I don't have anything on Donald Trump.
He focused on Melania Trump.
He said, I didn't want to embarrass Melania Trump.
He said, that's why I decided to take care of this on my own.
I went back to that several times.
You did this on your own?
On my own.
Did Donald Trump have anything to do with it?
No.
Is there a single branch of government that Michael Cohen hasn't lied to?
Gee, I think there isn't.
I mean, that is blockbuster testimony.
It's going to be interesting to see if he gets called on the stand.
All right, joining us now for analysis.
Greg Jarrett, New York Times, best-selling author, a Fox News legal analyst, Paul Morrow is back with us, retired NYPD inspector, attorney, founder of OpsDesk.org.
All right, we got a lot to get to here.
I got to ask you both about this case because it really is mind-blowing to me that we're even in this position.
Greg is a lawyer.
I'm going to start with you.
I thought today, I don't know, people described it to me as a moment from my cousin Vinny.
I've been saying it all day, but what was your reaction to the Michael Cohn when he was confronted with text messages with Donald Trump's security guy, Keith Schiller?
And those text messages at the time that he had testified earlier in the week and even testified today that he says that he was telling Donald Trump about the Stormy Daniels deal.
And in fact, the text messages show that he was really talking to Schiller about getting help for a 14-year-old that was prank calling him.
And Schiller calls him.
He didn't pick up.
He says, call me.
And he called him.
It was less than a minute and 32 seconds.
And then he claimed, well, yeah, I talked to Keith about that.
And then I talked to Donald Trump, which he said earlier in the week extensively about the Stormy Daniels deal.
Is that possible, Greg?
I don't think so.
No, it is.
And you're right.
I love your comparison to my cousin Vinny, you know, the eyewitnesses, the eyewitness who couldn't see beyond the pews in the courtroom.
You know, this just underscores what a pathological, habitual, chronic liar that, you know, Michael Cohen is.
And, you know, the lies were exposed today in court, and I think Cohen's credibility was shredded.
You know, the DA star witness was put through a wood chipper on cross-examination.
And, you know, Cohen, I think by the end of today, he's going to be rendered to a pile of mulch.
You know, these have been withering questions by the defense, lie after lie after lie laid bare.
The defense is really peeling Cohen like an onion.
He lied about everything to everyone, and they've methodically been going through the lies.
He lied to Congress, banks, special counsel, the media, the IRS, the FEC, government lawyers.
He even lied to judges in courts of law.
You know, to Cohen, oaths to tell the truth are utterly meaningless words.
He is constitutionally incapable of honesty, lines of compulsion, a disorder.
You know, and often he did it to benefit himself or to hurt Donald Trump.
But sometimes, it turns out he'd tell a whopper for no apparent reason.
These jurors should not believe a single word from the lying lips of Michael Cohen.
It really is true.
Paul, you've been around law and order for a long time in life.
What do you think about the revelation that the prosecution kept the text exchanges away from Michael Cohen in this case as it relates to the timeframe and what he was really talking about with Keith Schiller?
Because they had to know what he said the other day was not exactly true.
It's amazing.
So, you know, as Greg says, Michael Cohen is an irredeemable liar.
And I actually think that the prosecution is left with no other choice, and they knew this going in, but to lean into that.
Murch on here is the MacGuffin.
That's the real issue.
You're going to have to watch very closely.
I know it's procedural.
I know it's dull, but we're going to have a battle over how Murchon charges the jury.
That's where the rubber is going to really hit the road because the jurors are going to be confused as to what the theory of the case is.
They've heard all of this testimony.
They're going to redirect Cohen and try to rehabilitate him in the sense that they're going to say, yeah, he's a liar, but you know what?
Donald Trump was involved with him.
That's essentially going to be what they're going to try to put into the heads of the jury here.
And it's going to come down to Murchan, and you're going to get questions almost guaranteed coming from the jury room during deliberations.
And they're going to be asking Murchan things like, what is illegal about an NDA?
Our NDA is always legal, et cetera.
That's Murchan's chance to steer this thing.
And I'm sorry to be so cynical, but I've been so disappointed in that building so many times in Manhattan Supreme that I can't help but feel like our entire legal system here hangs into balance, our faith in it anyway.
And it's going to come down to one or two people, I think, who are going to be willing to stand up and say this can't fly.
And I would do that in the closing, by the way.
If I were the defense, I would enlarge the canvas and I would speak to the jury in that way.
After going through all of the evidence and undermining it, I would then say, there's a lot in the balance here, and it's up to you to uphold our system.
I agree with that.
What is your take, Greg Jarrett, on the issue of the prosecution and the text messages that apparently Michael Cohen didn't know about or remember?
Well, it's very convenient, isn't he?
He remembers vividly, word for word, conversations that he had six, seven, eight years ago.
But, you know, more recent text messages and conversations, even conversations that he had in the last month with prosecutors.
Hey, gee, I can't remember that.
No, I have no recollection of that.
This is a selective memory.
It's yet more of his lies.
And I agree with Paul a lot depends on the jury instruction.
You know, there's a standard jury instruction on the credibility of witnesses in New York.
And I'm looking at it right now.
And it's one short line.
If you find that any witness has intentionally testified falsely as to any material fact, you may disregard that witness's entire testimony.
Well, that's tailor-made for Michael Cohen, which means that these jurors should believe none of what he has had to say.
I think that his testimony has completely been impeached.
The guy that we see on the stand that has been clearly coached, probably for more hours than we could actually count, is not the guy that we see on social media and on his podcast and on TikTok asking for gifts and selling merch with Donald Trump and in jail mugs and t-shirts, is it, Greg?
Yeah, I mean, you know, all of this was cooked up by both prosecutors colluding with Cohen to falsely incriminate an innocent man.
And Cohen's motives are revenge and greed.
He blames Trump for his convictions, his prison term.
But Cohen has also discovered that lying is highly profitable.
I mean, his lunatic rants against Trump on social media, they're raking him big bucks.
His livelihood depends on it.
He'll keep lying until the dollars eventually dry up, which is why it's so foolhardy for Bragg and his team of partisans to, you know, hang their case on a notorious fabulous.
I mean, even if jurors believe some of Cohen's testimony, there is still no credible evidence that these records were falsified as the indictment alleges.
You know, the reimbursements to Cohen over Stormy Daniels, they were booked his legal expenses because that is what they were.
And there's no evidence that Trump knew how they were booked.
He's not an accountant or a controller.
He's the CEO of an international company that makes billions of dollars.
He doesn't designate computer entries on private ledgers.
That's an administrative function, not an executive responsibility by the chairman.
So where is the crime?
Nowhere.
And by the way, what crime is he charged with, Craig?
We don't even know yet at this late stage.
It's unbelievable.
All right, quick break.
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All right, we continue now with Greg Jarrett and with Paul Morrow, Paul, retired NYPD inspector and attorney.
Greg Jarrett, Fox News, legal analyst, best-selling author.
You know, Paul, I read the story today in the New York Post that those illegal immigrants on tape.
And again, you're a retired NYPD inspector, also an attorney.
And I read that those guys, the illegal immigrants on tape beating up police officers, are likely going to get, at best, a little slap on the wrist.
And I'm thinking, and we're wasting so much taxpayer money because that whole entire courthouse is sealed up like, you know, it's Fort Knox because it's a former president, rightly so.
You got to protect, you know, elected officials.
He's also a candidate for president, a leading candidate.
And meanwhile, all these violent crimes on video go unpunished in New York City and New York State.
I just, it's a surreal world we're living in right now.
Well, you're living in.
I don't live there anymore.
But you get my point.
Oh, I do, of course.
And, you know, I can pick out two examples here where the Bragg DA's office has been entirely unwilling to go forward with slam-dunk cases.
Let's take Columbia, for instance.
And I don't know why this hasn't come up, but it's been a very big part of that story that a number of the custodians were held against their will.
Well, let's look at the charges.
There's no kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment charges that have been lodged relative to the Columbia fracus.
It's all had to do with trespass and a little bit of resisting arrest, et cetera.
So they went as light as they could there.
Those are more serious charges that should have been brought.
You have the custodian walking out of the building yelling, they held me against my will.
If they moved him to a closet, which reportedly was done, you'd have kidnapping, which is a serious felony, not charged.
And then, in addition to what you're talking about relative to these migrants, we had an incident here.
Again, I'm surprised it's not getting more play.
43rd and 8th, the Hard of Times Square.
Nice tourist group from Western Pennsylvania, New York Survivors on Tourism, not far from where I live in Hell's Kitchen.
And they're walking down the block, and a nut jumps up out of a walker, big blade, stabs the woman.
All right, spontaneously, no reason, just does it.
Okay.
Charged with assault.
How is that not attempted murder?
The blade is like eight inches long.
It's on film.
It's a slam dunk.
Any other DA comes in with attempted murder, and this guy goes away forever.
Instead, it's assault two.
It'll be pledged down to assault three misdemeanor.
He'll be right back out soon enough after he goes through what passes as the mental health system in New York City, which doesn't exist.
And we're going to be with the same problems.
But you know what, Sean?
He was elected.
The Manhattan Knights vote for this stuff.
And that's why people are doing what you did, which is fleeing this state and this city.
Let me ask you, Greg, exit question.
Do you believe what has been unfolding in the courtroom today changes the likely outcome of this case?
And I've always said I don't have a lot of confidence that Donald Trump can get a fair trial in New York City.
I stand by that.
But according to people that were in the courtroom that I've spoken to, they said this was an oh, wow moment.
Yeah, I think that's true.
And I've always said that, you know, so much depends upon the cross-examination of Bragg's star witness because he's the only one who has attempted and I think failed to tie Donald Trump to the charges in this case.
Even he wasn't able to do it.
So, you know, I think today is a game changer.
A lot of talk about calling Bob Costello, his former lawyer to the witness stand who's saying in quite vivid detail that, you know, Cohen's lying.
If, you know, when Cohen stumbles off the witness stand in utter shock after a bludgeoning, if the defense feels they're winning, then they shouldn't call Costello to the witness stand.
There's always a risk.
You never know about his cross-examination.
So, you know, as I said to you last night, I learned a long time ago in my first case, if you're winning, sit down, shut up, and don't call any witnesses, and you'll win.
But you start calling witnesses to the stand that you don't absolutely need, that is risky behavior.
Unbelievable.
I really want to thank you both.
Appreciate it.
Greg Jarrett will also see you on Hannity tonight, Paul Morrow.
We always love having you.
Thank both of you.
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Brian in New York City.
Brian, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, I'm a big fan.
Thank you for what you do every day.
Listen, I just was listening to Mr. Jared and Judge Kadina earlier, and I was watching all these Trump cases, and it seems to me that Democrats, they have an unfair advantage in our legal system.
So I have an idea on how to correct it.
And also, if it's okay, I'd like to ask you a question on illegal immigration.
But anyway, anyone with a poll sees that the legal system is broken.
It's weaponized against conservatives.
And you can see what's coming out of these elite woke colleges.
I think the only way to correct the legal system now is to embrace technology.
We should fire all the judges, replace them with AI judges programmed with the Constitution and legal precedents to preside over all these cases.
Call them AI Judge Piero, AI Judge Scalia.
I don't know.
But we have AI CEOs.
We have AI tennis judges.
We have ice hockey judges, Let's Go Rangers.
I mean, Sean, we literally have the technology to make judges great again.
That was my thought.
I just wanted to share that with you.
Well, let me tell you something.
Yeah, we need, I don't know about AI judges, but I will tell you, we need judges that believe in our Constitution, equal justice under the law, equal application of our laws.
And we don't have that right now.
Anyway, I appreciate the call, my friend.
You know, let me, I've meant to do this.
You know, one of the reasons a lot of things are happening right now, and for example, this debate.
Why is all of a sudden, Joe Bob, I'll take two debates.
They're all going to be on my terms and on fake news, CNN terms, and Donald Trump has no say.
And Donald Trump, okay, accepted to go on CNN, ABC.
Of course, you're going to have to negotiate with all parties.
That's just basic decency, common sense.
First of all, why is it happening?
Well, James Carvel, I think, really answered that question.
Trump is more ahead than ever, and everything we're throwing at Trump isn't working.
Listen.
And Trump's more ahead than he's ever been.
It's gone the wrong way.
It's not working.
Everything that we're throwing is spaghetti at a wall, and none of it is sticking, me included.
Now, that's James Carvel.
He's not a dumb guy.
Know him pretty well.
Listen to Corrine Jean-Pierre.
She can't answer Peter Doocy's question.
You know, if the debate offer was made to change the subject because of the bad polling.
I don't know.
Listen.
So shouldn't they see this sudden offer from the president to debate as a signal that you guys realize you need to change the subject after some really bad polling?
You know, we went to had a back and forth on polling yesterday.
I just don't want to get into polling, any more details on polling.
As it relates to the debate, you've got to talk to the campaign about it.
That is a question for the campaign, and I'm sure they are eager, eager to answer your questions, Peter.
Now, without consulting Donald Trump, you know, Joe Biden puts out, I'm only going to do these four networks, Telemundo, CBS, ABC, and fake news, CNN.
Oh, really?
He gets to dictate the terms.
CNN doesn't consult with the Trump campaign.
They don't want fake Jake Tapper.
Now, Jake Tapper claims to be an objective journalist.
He's not.
He's a liberal talk show host.
And by the way, we've got more tape on fake Jake that we're going to air tonight on Hannity.
But, you know, here's a small sampling of Jake Tapper not exactly loving Donald Trump.
Listen.
As we watch Donald Trump attempt to turn his arrest and indictment into some sort of campaign commercial, the folks in the control room, I don't need to see any more of that.
He's trying to turn it into a spectacle, into a campaign ad.
That's enough of that.
We've seen it already.
Here he is right now under my voice.
You hear him repeating his anti-immigrant rhetoric.
Is it easier for him to attack U.S. intelligence agencies?
President Trump lives in an atmosphere of disinformation, false information, reinforcing itself.
He is running the single most negative, sleazy campaign in American history for a major party candidate.
He pushes the government of the United States to use its power and credibility to justify his lie.
But now the Trump presidency is coming to an end.
To an end.
With so many squandered opportunities and ruined potential, but also an era of just plain meanness.
It must be said to paraphrase President Ford.
For tens of millions of our fellow Americans, their long national nightmare is over.
I can't listen to this anyway.
To this.
After Trump's Iowa win, when he's talking about illegal immigration and the fact, does fake Jake even know that we have, let's see, tens and tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming from, oh, let's see, China, Russia, Egypt, Afghanistan, oh, Iran, number one state sponsor of terror.
There's satellites, Syria, and Yemen.
Oh, another satellite terrorist state.
Seriously?
And when this country gets hit, what's going to happen then?
And it's not if, it's when.
And I pray I'm wrong.
Byron is in Texas, the free state of Texas.
What's up, Byron?
How are you, my friend?
God bless Texas.
What's going on?
So I'm just curious about this whole debate.
I think you really shocked him, Sean, because in your debate with DeFontis and Newsom, you brought up facts, which was one of the best things I've ever seen, and laid it out to him during the debate.
So now they're scared to death to have Fox or anybody with some integrity do the debate.
And fake news CNN is going to manipulate every question, and Biden's going to get to do every lie.
And Trump's going to just try to sit there and fight it.
And how else, what do we do?
What do we tell Trump how to fight a liar?
Because in that situation, it just seems like they're going to manipulate everything so bad where he's not going to get those extra votes that we really need.
So what would you do?
Or what would you tell him?
Well, I would tell Trump, honestly, that, you know, it's hard to tell Trump.
You know, Trump is a guy of his own mind.
Well, Hannity, you give advice to Trump.
I'll give advice to a lot of people.
Anyone that wants to listen, I'll give advice to.
I would say that these guys can't dictate the terms and coordinate the terms in a day and say, these are the only four networks, and Fox is excluded, even though Fox crushes like four, five to one fake news CNN in the ratings.
And we're not going to put Fox on the list.
And by the way, we're not talking about me moderating the debate, although I can tell you I would do a really good job, I think, in my humble opinion.
Linda, do I get a vote of confidence from you at least?
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, you always get a big vote.
I mean, I gave you two thumbs up.
You know, Siskel and Ebert style.
Boy, that brings back memories.
Okay.
But you know what?
I'm actually proven it, being able to handle the debate pretty well, I think, with Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis.
Even some of my critics, you know, said, oh, he actually did a good job.
But whatever.
You know, and it's funny, the media, they just love fake Jake because they agree with fake Jake.
They're all coming to fake Jake's defense.
So I'm just going to, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to keep playing clip after clip after clip of fake Jake till the entire world will know if in fact he remains and Trump goes to do this exactly what he's walking into.
And you know what?
And I think Fox should hold this debate.
Trump's accepted.
And I think Joe Biden, if he gets two of his liberal networks and they get to coordinate which liberal anchor they want, I should probably be allowed to do it.
But you know what?
Brett and Martha are fair.
They're real news people.
They'll do a really good job.
They'll be fair to both sides.
I know them both really well.
They really are down the middle.
They're not biased.
I have no idea where they stand politically.
Not everybody listens to your show or the five every day and is getting all the right information all the time.
And some people, I know a lot of them that will only listen to debates and they go off of that to make their vote.
And I'm like, you're not seeing the whole picture.
And then when you're manipulated by CNN and these others, it's just, oh my gosh, it just makes me insane how they can get away with it.
And nobody's fact-checking them and saying, hey, look, you just said this.
And now how are you going to explain what you just told the country?
How do you get away with that?
Well, I think by the time, you know, one thing, we live in a world where we can bypass the mob, the media in many, many ways.
And one is talk radio.
Certainly Fox News is an option, but there's something else that's happening.
You got citizen journalists out there.
And by the way, even a lot of people with opinions that don't like Sean Hannity, which I am totally cool with.
You want to say Sean Hannity sucks, Sean Hannity's this.
You want to meme, you know, to attack.
I don't really care because I believe in freedom and I believe in freedom of speech.
And I give my opinions and I believe others should be able to give theirs.
And I think that, you know, they'll make these clips viral.
And let me tell you something.
It'll become quite uncomfortable for fake news CNN to be unfair, even though they will be, if, in fact, people see as many of these clips as I know exist, and we have a lot more to get to.
And, you know, I noticed I got attacked by Media today.
That's fine.
I mean, I'm fair game.
And they don't have to agree with me.
And they can defend fake Jake all they want.
I just got a lot more tape of fake Jake, and I'll just keep playing it.
And then let people like you decide.
Okay?
They can't get away with this lying.
Even about the illegal immigrants coming across, there are criminals coming across.
And I suffered through 9-11 being with American Airlines, losing everything, wife's pregnant.
Oh, man.
And, you know, it was life-changing.
And now.
How did you suffer through 9-11?
What happened with American Airlines?
Well, nobody was fine.
Every night I went into work, the planes were empty.
Oh, so you work for American Airlines.
I understand.
You mean after what happened?
Yeah, I mean, it was terrible.
It was terrible.
They laid us off and had to go find another job with a kid on the way.
Oh, man.
That's rough, dude.
I'm sorry.
I get it.
I understand.
I really do.
It's on Joe Biden.
Well, look what's, well, I will tell you, I pray to God that I'm wrong.
I really do.
I mean that.
I'm not going to be wrong.
You can't bring in your top geopolitical foes like this and expect anything other than what's obvious that's going to happen.
All right.
I got a roll.
Appreciate the call, my friend.
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Pat, Illinois, next, Sean Hannity show.
We got about a minute and a half, Pat, but it's all yours.
What's on your mind?
All right, real quick.
Letitia James case, if STEC gets overturned, what happens to the bond?
And if there's collusion found in our office, does President Trump have any recourse?
Well, I don't know if you're conflating the two trials here.
You talking about the civil trial and the bond that was put up for that?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, it's not going to be impacted by this trial.
Okay.
Now, it is going to be appealed.
And I believe at some point, I don't know what court will do it, but this is such an excessive bond.
And I believe that the entire civil case, if it's based on the merit and if it's really based on valuations, and the judge held to an $18 million valuation for Mar-a-Lago, which is a joke, he's far more guilty of the very thing they were accusing Trump of, then I think the whole thing gets thrown out.
And I believe, and this is the problem for Trump.
You know, he has the unfair venues, and then the judgments come down against him.
He might be found guilty in this criminal trial.
And on appeal, I'd say the odds are close to 98% that he's going to win, you know, just by a judge having, you know, should have recused himself, for example.
But with all that said, you know, it really all depends on, you know, the judges in the upper courts.
The biggest problem is, you know, the trial's going on in an election year, 172 days out of an election, and any appeal is going to happen after that.
Appreciate the call, my friend.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
Wow, what a day.
I mean, this was a beatdown of Michael Cohn.
I mean, of epic proportions.
Even the liberal media mob saying the same thing.
Anyway, we have full, complete coverage analysis.
Matt Gates was in the courtroom, and I spoke to him in the break.
He said, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
He'll give you his take on it.
Jonathan Turley, Greg Jarrett, they've been phenomenal on this.
The issue of Biden wrongfully asserting executive privilege when it comes to the Robert Hurd tape, something he said he wouldn't do.
Oh, and closing arguments on this case from the great one, Mark Levin.
We'll get to that.
The latest on the declining poll numbers and phony debate issue with Tommy Laron and Mark Penn.
Saiti DVR, Hannity tonight, 9 Eastern.
We'll see you then back here tomorrow.
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