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You missed a lot going on on Capitol Hill today.
Robert Herr uh testifying uh before Congress.
Let me start with this testimony in exchange with Kelly Armstrong of uh North Dakota.
Uh all the places that Biden had classified documents.
Listen to this exchange really closely.
It's very important.
Mr. Her, classified documents were found at the Penn Biden Center.
That's correct.
They were found in President Biden's garage in Wilmington, Delaware, yes.
And in his basement den.
Also in the same home, yes.
In the major and his main floor office, correct.
And his third floor den.
Correct.
At the University of Delaware?
Correct.
And at the Biden Institute.
Correct.
But don't worry, he was he came across as a nice, he if we charged them, he'd come across as a nice, forgetful old man that we wouldn't likely get a conviction on.
Excuse me?
Anyway, Brett Tolman is with us, former federal prosecutor who served as the U.S. attorney for Utah, Pam Bondi, former Florida Attorney General, uh, here, a lot to discuss.
Let's get your first reaction to the double standard Pam that you just heard with Congressman uh Kelly Armstrong.
Yeah, Sean, you know, there's a prosecutor tried two jury, hundreds and hundreds between Brett and I, probably a thousand cases we've both tried in our career, um, our careers, but I cannot believe they didn't charge him after this.
Um, what her did was use his ultimate prosecutorial discretion, saying, hey, if this goes to a jury, they're probably gonna feel sorry for him.
He's an old guy, he has horrible memory, which of course helped the Republicans by no we all know that, but her said it out loud.
But he put himself in the place of the jury um in this investigation.
And and he but he was clear.
He said I did not exonerate Joe Biden.
And he tried Pam to do one other thing, and he was making comparisons to the the case of Donald Trump, and he was false in his characterization because he's saying, Well, Donald Trump didn't cooperate.
Well, that's not true that he didn't cooperate.
As a matter of fact, the FBI had full complete access to where all of these documents were stored.
They were there.
They could have said, uh, we need to take these with us.
They did not.
They only called back a couple of days later and said, Would you mind adding another lock to the door?
And they they complied with that.
Well, what prevented them from walking back and saying we really need to take those documents?
They shouldn't be here.
They could have gotten it all voluntarily.
Absolutely nothing.
And Sean, remember President Trump would have had the right to declassify those documents.
Joe Biden never had the right at any time to have any of those documents when he was a U.S. Senator.
If he had them legally when he was VP, he knew he was supposed to return them, and that was all established.
He had them in multiple places, zero security, and the Democrats tried to say, well, well, Trump's documents were at Mar-a-Lago.
Well, tens of thousands of people come.
You and I have both been to Mar-a Lago.
That's one of the most secure places in the world.
Secret Service agents are everywhere.
No one could access those documents when President Trump had them.
Let me play uh as we we also welcome Brett to the program.
I want to play three cuts uh back to back here.
One is her saying the getting to the heart of the matter, that Joe Biden willfully retain classified materials as a private citizen, and then saying, well, the evidence didn't rise to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, so no criminal charges.
And then he said, I had to consider Biden's memory mental state and how a jury would perceive his memory in a criminal trial.
Now, that is as close to saying that Biden is mentally incompetent to stand trial because he wouldn't understand the charges against him.
Wow, what a statement that is in and of itself.
And lastly, he said the evidence and Biden himself put his memory squarely at issue.
My assessment of his memory was necessary, accurate, and fair, and Democrats were furious about that part, but that's the hook that they used to get him off of being charged like Trump.
Let me play these back to back.
My team and I conducted a thorough independent investigation.
We identified evidence that the president willfully retained classified materials after the end of his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.
This evidence included an audio recorded conversation during which during which Mr. Biden told his ghostwriter that he had, quote, just found all the classified stuff downstairs, end quote.
When Mr. Biden said this, he was a private citizen speaking to his ghostwriter in his private rental home in Virginia.
We also identified other recorded conversations during which Mr. Biden read classified information aloud to his ghostwriter.
We did not, however, identify evidence that rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Because the evidence fell short of that standard, I declined to recommend criminal charges against Mr. Biden.
There has been a lot of attention paid to language in the report about the president's memory, so let me say a few words about that.
My task was to determine whether the president retained or disclosed national defense information willfully.
That means knowingly and with the intent to do something the law forbids.
I could not make that determination without assessing the president's state of mind.
For that reason, I had to consider the president's memory and overall mental state and how a jury likely would perceive his memory and mental state in a criminal trial.
The evidence and the president himself put his memory squarely at issue.
We interviewed the president and asked him about his recorded statement.
Quote, I just found all the classified stuff downstairs, end quote.
He told us that he didn't remember saying that to his ghostwriter.
He also said he didn't remember finding any classified material in his home after his vice presidency.
And he didn't remember anything about how classified documents about Afghanistan made their way into his garage.
My assessment in the report about the relevance of the president's memory was necessary and accurate and fair.
All right, Brett, I mean, i i is he not saying in that statement that this president is incompetent to stand trial, that he wouldn't even understand the charges against him.
Well, Sean, thanks for having me on, especially with Pam, my good friend, uh, yep, we've tried a lot of cases, but I've also been in the heart of DOJ and at the decision making level in the executive side of the Department of Justice.
And there's two policies that nobody's talking about at issue here that are being violated.
First, the policy, you you'll notice nobody asked him and he didn't opine on the actual competency of Joe Biden.
And the reason that is is because if you have a case in which you have charged other individuals with the same or less evidence, and you are investigating that case, so you have the Trump case and the Biden case.
There's one policy in DOJ that says you must charge consistent with the other cases that you have historically charged.
And the only way to back out of a case where you do have sufficient evidence and you could bring the case is on the competency of the individual, and that's the other policy at issue.
And Heard didn't opine on the competency because it's a trap.
If he if he indicates that he's incompetent, then the left is going to lose it, and and and then all the ammunition, you know, political fire is gonna come.
So he when it came as close as he possibly could to get to the spirit of that rule in saying, I don't believe he is competent to be tried.
It's a travesty of of epic proportions if you know the Department of Justice and you know how hypocritical they are to not bring this case against Joe Biden when he had no authority to to declassify, and he didn't have authority when he left office to maintain possession.
Both of those Trump did have.
Well, but let me ask you, Brett.
I mean, he didn't have to come out and say it.
He said it without actually just using the word incompetent.
That's what he was saying.
That's right.
He he is saying he doesn't want to use the word because that brings in a whole whole bunch of other issues.
But he is basically saying I cannot bring this case, even though I he violated the law, he did it willfully, there's criminal intent, and by the way, he lied when we asked him about it, but I can't bring it because of his mental state.
What this is is two hundred pages of outlining an absolute horrendous um handling and criminal possession of classified information given to a third party, and it did impact it it it was relevant to national security.
And then how do I how do I justify not bringing this case?
I have to say something that is so powerful that I'm I can't present it to the jury, and that is that this is a daughtering old fool whose memory is so bad that I'd never get a conviction on him.
I mean that that is pretty spectacular in in terms of what you're rightly analyzing here.
You are analyzing that perfectly.
I assume Pam, you agree with that analysis.
Yeah, and Sean, you notice they dropped that report, the hundred, two hundred something page report on Jim Jordan just before the hearing began today with Robert Herr.
So they couldn't go through his entire report.
The White House dropped that on them just before the hearing, so they wouldn't be able to properly cross-examine him.
It was truly unbelievable.
And again, what he did, what Brett's saying is he put himself in the role of all those jurors saying, hmm, I don't think jurors are gonna think you know, he he's a kind old man, he has bad memory, which we all know, horrible memory problems.
Therefore, the likelihood of success at trial is a minimum.
Quick break, we'll come back and more on Robert Hearn's testimony before Congress today.
Jim Jordan, uh, who had an amazing day considering they dumped this on him last minute, he'll join us on Hannity tonight, nine Eastern on Fox.
Quick break, right back, more with Pam Bondi and Brett Tolman on the other side.
All right, we continue.
Brett Colman and Pam Bondy are with us analyzing Robert Hurr's testimony before Congress today.
It was fascinating to watch the Democrats today argue that whoa, whoa, his State of the Union address jacked up Joe.
Um I think both of you fully understand and comprehend what I mean when I say jacked up Joe.
You guys kind of get it, right?
Uh maybe it was just Red Bull and Caffeine.
I don't know.
I'm not a professional, but that's not the guy we have been witnessing for the last three years.
Nor was it the guy that was back out on the campaign trail uh with you know, mumbling, bumbling, and stumbling again, because I guess I guess the caffeine and Red Bull finally wore off.
You know, Sean, who you want on the you know who you want to prosecute when you're a federal prosecutor like this and you have a case like this.
You want to prosecute the guy that's that that would be bad on the witness stand, that would be Joe Biden.
He he lies uh, you know, frequently, he his memory can be fallible.
That is the guy you you want to go after.
And and unless you think he's incompetent and you can't by policy go after him, but they didn't say that.
They just said he had a bad memory and sympathy of the jury would would exonerate him.
That's never been a basis for DOJ to decline a prosecution.
No, it should be based on the law, shouldn't it, Pam?
I mean, when you were the Florida attorney general, didn't you apply the law without thinking about what the possible result would be?
Absolutely, the law on the stocks, and then previously to that when I was a state prosecutor for 18 years, and it's something else the defendant he Biden might not have chosen to testify.
He may have not testified.
So that would have applied only if he testified um her's assessment of Biden's memory.
Well, wouldn't they say that he's he's not mentally competent enough to even understand the charges?
No, that's not her decision to make.
If you go to trial and a descendant is not competent to proceed, you have two, not one, psychiatrist, come in and do a mental assessment of not competent to stand trial.
And if his lawyers, the defense attorneys, were for Biden were going to argue that they would have had him evaluated by psychiatrist.
It's not a prosecutor's job to make that assessment.
Why do you need that when you've got uh a department of justice that uh is so weaponized and so politicized?
Um I mean, that's what it really comes down to, Brett, isn't it?
Yeah, what what this report makes me think is it screams that they wanted the appearance of a thorough investigation, but the the Merrick Garland or whoever in the department, I I I think probably said the only conclusion you can bring for the sake of this country is no recommendation of no prosecution.
Because you if that was if that was your your end result, why the thorough investigation and outline all of the inappropriate illegal use of classified documents and the transmission of documents and emphasize that it was uh it would impact national security.
You don't do all of that unless midstream or somewhere along the line, somebody higher up says you better make sure your conclusion is no declination of prosecution.
Unbelievable.
Uh guys, we really appreciate your analysis.
Pam Bondi and Brett Tolman.
Thank you both.
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All right, 25 to the top of the hour, 800 941 Sean, our number.
A lot of news out there today.
Obviously, her on Capitol Hill, fireworks all day.
Uh well, you know, full reports.
We got a primaries in four big states tonight.
We'll have coverage of that.
Uh, what else?
What else do we have going on?
Oh, and Joe Biden and the Biden White House, they are now saying no, they absolutely positively did not apologize for calling Lake and Riley suspected murderer an illegal.
Twenty-four hours after he said, uh yeah, I shouldn't have used the term.
I regret using the term.
Uh well, is that not an apology?
Or that he didn't like the political pushback for apologizing to that guy and not, of course, Lake and Riley's family for butchering her name at the state at the jack dub Joe State of the Union address.
Anyway, we'll get to all this.
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All right, back to the hearings today.
I mean, we'll show a lot of this.
It's it's it's great on radio, but it's better on video.
Especially whenever Liberal Joe melts down and he melted down this morning about Robert Herr.
Uh, he's just saying some random Adam Schiff to denigrate.
He actually said the word to denigrate Biden as a as a kindly old man.
Well, that's even in dispute.
He seems cranky and angry, at least he did at the State of the Union.
Listen.
I wonder what uh pastor he will walk off into.
I don't know.
Just kind of wander off and say, Well, you know, and Joe Biden, I noticed he didn't really tie his tie well.
The tie not suggested that maybe he has arthritis in his left thumb.
Where are you going with that?
I'm just saying this guy says such random shit about his oh stop.
He's a kindly old man who could not remember his son's booth.
Like he wandered off into a pasture here, and you know, maybe Arnold the Pitt led him there.
I don't know.
No, you should apologize for her because you shouldn't have asked.
I don't know exactly.
Like, does he hope he gets a judge?
I think he does.
I think he hopes he gets a judge up if Donald Trump gets elected again.
He's trying out because he humiliated himself with that.
Pretty unbelievable.
All right.
Now, then we got this Congressman Hank Johnson.
Hank Johnson, I don't know, he's been quite quiet over the last couple of years.
We used to play Hank Johnson a lot more.
He actually accused Robert Herr of trying to get Trump re-elected because he thought he'd get a judgeship or professional favor.
I mean, I'm not making this up.
Are you a member of the Federalist Society?
I am not a member of the Federalist.
But you are a Republican, though, aren't you?
I am a registered Republican.
Yes, sir.
And you're doing everything you can do to get President Trump re-elected so that you can get appointed as a federal judge or perhaps to another position in the Department of Justice.
Isn't that correct?
Congressman, I have no such aspirations, I can assure you, and I can tell you that partisan politics had no place whatsoever in my work.
Yeah, that's the modern day left for you today.
Anyway, let's get to our phones.
Many of you have been very, very patient.
Alan is in the great state of Ohio, the Buckeye State.
What's going on, Alan?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Yes, uh, Sean been listening to you since uh the Mayflower, maybe even the flood.
I don't know.
So we know man.
Yeah, long time.
Thank you.
You're just older than Linda.
Okay.
But uh help us out.
Many people are saying this.
We're just not uh having time, and you're too pushed to get us on the radio, but here we are.
We need your assistance, your advice, your help.
We know what you're going to say on the surface, but there's got to be a deeper answer.
We believe the enemy is being positioned as we speak, as you speak every day.
The border.
Illegal immigrants.
Okay.
The illegal immigrants are made voters.
Uh Newt Gringwitz talked about it right a little bit.
He kind of hit on it.
You said help me.
I don't understand.
We think you do understand.
Okay, because I I have a hard time getting to the point.
Now, do I think ultimately Democrats would be more than willing as they have pushed amnesty in the past?
Do I think that they would would use that, you know, something of great worth and value uh in the hopes well if we give you this, uh I hope you remember us at election time.
Okay, it's a long stretch from being able to say that people the nearly 10 million unvetted Joe Biden illegals are gonna be voting in this election.
Now, uh, do we have to be on guard?
Yeah, I don't think we have uh we don't have anywhere near the integrity measures that we could have if we were committed to it.
And I've described what that would be.
And that would be you know, less mail in balloting.
Uh you have one day, election day, it's a national holiday, and people show up at the polls, they present their ID and they give signature verification.
Any mail in ballots from the elderly and firm or the military, they would be, you know, we'd monitor them from the moment they arrived at any polling place.
They'd be on camera.
Uh then, of course, updated voter rolls, and then the very key component is partisan observers observing the vote count.
That's the system we want.
That's the system with the most integrity that would result in the most confidence in the in the final tally.
That's not the system we have.
There's nothing I can do to change that.
There's nothing you can do to change it.
We can't wish it away.
So we got to deal with the system we have.
And I know people, I have been saying this now, going back to 2021.
Right in the beginning of 2021.
Republicans better get their Adam shift together.
And they better, they better embrace early voting and voting by mail.
It's not perfect, although Florida does a great job at it.
Legal ballot harvesting, the Democrats are crushing Republicans.
Uh, you need trained partisan voters in every precinct, all day watching the voting and all night watching the vote counting.
And some efforts to ensure mailed in ballots cannot be accessed.
I'd prefer cameras on them from the moment they arrive in every state, and you can watch it 24 hours a day if you want.
Now, with that said, the RNC has now gone through a massive shakeup.
There was mass firings yesterday.
I have confirmed with Laura Trump and we'll have her on regularly that she agrees with me on these issues, and she'll give us more details of what they plan to implement and how quickly they think they can get it done.
Again, not the system I love, but the if you can't start out election day down hundreds of thousands of votes and and just hope that the weather's good on election day and you're gonna make them up that day.
You you can't let the Democrats go into nursing homes if there's legal ballot harvesting and have everybody fill out their ballot and have some stranger walk away with them and then drop them off for them.
And Republicans not match those efforts.
They need to match them and surpass them.
Legal ballot harvesting in terms of training people to be trained observers in every precinct, that's gonna take a lot of organizing.
All of these things are a heavy lift, all would contribute to more integrity and more confidence in the results.
But I've been saying this for a long time, and I'm kind of angry at some people, not going to mention names for not getting this job done.
Now we have an opportunity to hit the reset button and get it done.
That's the best I can offer.
I can now, if Democrats, or if there are people in this country illegally that try to vote, uh I I I don't know.
I I don't know what I can say about that.
I mean, I would hope and think that that doesn't happen, but I don't I by nature don't trust people.
However, I think Republicans have to do everything in their power to make sure that if they're in every precinct in the country and they're trained, that hopefully that'll be a deterrent.
That's what I would hope, and I'd hope that Democrats wouldn't feel that they have to cheat to win.
Because that would be cheating if they did that.
Now, I don't see widespread uh use of that, but I think the end goal would be well, if we give you citizenship, you're gonna love us, right?
Yeah, I think they could do that.
You can buy citizenship in countries.
Did you know that?
We could buy a passport for another country.
I a lot of people don't know that.
Did you know that?
Sean.
Hello?
Yeah, I'm listening.
The electoral college is where they're gonna get you.
The Sannus Abbott, Christian Elm all of them are sending the illegals to the blue states.
No.
That pushing the left horror college way above.
Why did Hillary not if she won the popular vote in 2016?
But Trump won the election.
Now it's going to be reversed because now the consensus, they're using the illegals as the consensus.
That's exactly what they're doing.
Listen, I don't have any evidence that that is true.
And I just got to stick with what I know.
If there's any case that I hear about, I promise you, I will bring it to the air.
I've not heard of any efforts by anybody, any group, to do that.
Is it something, you know, if the people didn't respect our borders and our laws and our sovereignty and came in illegally, yes, illegally, you know, it does raise you know questions.
I how far in their law breaking are they willing to go?
I don't know.
I hope not.
I hope for the sake of our country we have a free and fair election.
I believe if we do, that is based on substance.
I believe Republicans have a very good shot of winning, but I remind everybody that for Republicans to win, they gotta run the table, man.
They gotta run the table.
Biden's ignoring the Constitution.
He laughed at the time.
Well, he's doing that on the border.
Yeah, I mean, if it was Trump, he would have been impeached by now, but uh I can tell you running the table means your state of Ohio.
That means Florida, I'm not worried too much about them.
That means Georgia now has become more difficult.
Gotta win Georgia, gotta win North Carolina, you gotta win Pennsylvania, look to win Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, I don't know.
And maybe even try to compete in a couple of blue states.
I'd look at the state of New Jersey.
You might you might be shocked at me saying that.
I'd look there.
I'd look at New Hampshire.
Those are states I look at.
Anyway, my friend, uh, I hear you, but you know, if I hear of any evidence, I will bring it to you.
I've not heard of it.
Uh, David in California.
David, how are you?
Hey, Sean, how are you doing today?
I'm good, man.
What's going on?
Okay, thanks for having me.
So I've been listening for a while because you were talking about her and you had Pam on and Greg whatnot.
So, real quick on her.
Uh I listened to a little bit of the testimony this morning and some of the statements.
Kind of funny.
I have a another take on this.
Her keeps relying on this memory Loss, nice old man, means well.
I don't believe any jury would convict him.
Why didn't you just take the case to trial then?
And if he's right, Biden is exonerated.
It's over.
Instead, what does he do?
He comes up with a flimsy excuse to not take it to trial and says, Well, I don't believe a jury would convict him.
From now on, all we have is speculation as to whether or not he would have been convicted or not, right?
He should have let it go to trial.
And if he if the he's right, and the jury won't convict him, that's it, it's over.
Biden's exonerated.
I think really what happened was behind the scenes.
Her knew if he took it to trial, 99% sure he'd get convicted.
Can't do it.
So her said that Biden willfully retain classified materials and then gave us a James Comey circa July 2016, but no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute, and then he'd come across as a nice old man with a bad memory, and no jury would convict him.
Really?
But they'll they'll go after the other guy uh that whose memory is sharp as attack, and they'll say about uh President Trump anything that they want, but they're gonna bring him to trial.
That's not equal justice, that's not equal application.
It really should scare every American citizen at what's happening to this country.
We're losing our country right before our eyes.
Anyway, 800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Uh as we now say hi to Amy's in the great state of Georgia, uh, their vote going on uh today.
How are you?
Great, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
Um I went and voted this morning um and got to the polls early, and um everything was very secure.
They checked my ID.
Um I'm confident my ballot was was counted correctly, and um, you know, I think the process is gonna go smoothly.
And um, yeah, so I got my vote in.
There was early voting, um, but I did miss it on Friday.
But I got my voted today, and the process was smooth.
And let me tell you, um, the death of Lakin Riley, I think has influenced some voters here.
Um just the staggering difference between President Biden and President former President Trump.
Um former President Trump, you can tell me he truly cares about the people and truly cares about Lakin Riley.
And um, whereas President Biden could care less.
And I I I I care for this family deeply.
My heart aches for them.
I I know something, unfortunately, that I will tell you.
Uh I I don't see how they ever will be the same again.
I mean, it is i i uh it's gotta be ripping a heart of this a part of their soul out.
It's so heartbreaking.
It really is.
I pray for them.
I pray for Lakin, and you know, this president, you know, what he did by apologizing for using the word illegal, but not apologize to this family is beyond any comprehension I have.
He's that uh that out of touch.
Uh I'm just out of time.
We love our friends in Georgia.
We'll be watching the results on Hannity tonight.
We'll update you on all the her issues and uh testimony from today.
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All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Uh, we will bring you completely up to speed on the her testimony tonight on Hannity 9 Eastern on Fox.
We're also following four primaries tonight.
We'll have all of the results as they come in and become available.
Now the Biden White House is saying, well, we didn't apologize to the guy that is alleged to have murdered Lakin, not Lincoln, Lakin Riley.
Anyway, we'll have it all.
Jim Jordan, James Comer, Ted Cruz, Newt Gingrich, Laura Trump, and John Solomon.
Set you DBR.
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