Sean Hannity Show - The Epstein List - January 4th, Hour 3

All Episodes

Previous Next

Jan. 5, 2024 - Sean Hannity Show

38:23

The Epstein List - January 4th, Hour 3

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	This is an iHeart podcast.
	What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
	Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
	From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
	We got you.
	I'm Carol Markowitz, and I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	We've been around the block in media, and we're doing things differently.
	Normally is about real conversations.
	Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
	We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
	Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	I'm Ben Ferguson.
	And I'm Ted Cruz.
	Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
	Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
	Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
	And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
	We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
	So download Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
	Well, we're coming to your city.
	And so we get it.
	We get that photo.
	It's going to take a little bit of time for folks to feel what the Bidenomics has been able to do.
	I guess what I'm saying, I just feel good that the American people got up.
	They've been through a rough time with pandemic, but now we're coming back.
	They're back.
	Final NBC poll had him at just 40% approval, 57% disapproval.
	That's the lowest.
	That's the lowest in an NBC poll for an incumbent facing a re-election here.
	Freedom is back in style.
	Welcome to the revolution.
	Come on to play our guitars and sing you a conscious soul.
	Sean Hennerty.
	The new Sean Hannity Show.
	More behind the scenes information on breaking news and more bold, inspired solutions for America.
	Stay right here for our final news roundup and information overload.
	News Roundup and Information Overload Hour.
	Here's our toll-free number.
	It's 800-941-Sean.
	If you want to be a part of the program, well, a lot of famous people whose names are associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
	Now, does that mean that they were involved in his nefarious, you know, corrupt, disgusting, repulsive, evil activities with young women?
	No.
	Certain high-profile people like Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton, they would be top choices in my mind, of people I'd be suspicious of.
	Then you have guys like Al Gore, Kevin Spacey, Stephen Hawkins, and the list goes on and on.
	Now, it's interesting over time that Prince Andrew now is not really officially acting in any capacity for the royal family as a result of all this.
	Some type of settlement was reached with one of the women that made accusations against him.
	You can hear Prince Andrew and then the woman that makes the accusation.
	Here first is the allegation by a young woman claiming that he lied in this interview.
	And then you hear Prince Andrew denying Epstein's allegations.
	Listen.
	I'm calling BS on this because that's what it is.
	He knows what happened.
	This guy was sweating all over me.
	Like his sweat was like, it was raining basically everywhere.
	And I was just like, grossed out from it.
	But I knew I had to keep him happy because that's what Jeffrey and Gillen would expect from me.
	One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.
	She was very specific about that night.
	She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have baths possibly.
	There's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat or I didn't sweat at the time.
	And that was, oh, actually, yes.
	I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at.
	And I simply, it was almost impossible for me to sweat.
	Do you remember dancing at Tramp?
	No.
	That couldn't have happened because the date that is being suggested, I was at home with the children.
	You know that you were at home with the children?
	Was it a memorable night?
	On that particular day that we now understand is the date, which is the 10th of March, I was at home.
	I was with the children.
	I'd taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking for a party at, I suppose, sort of four or five in the afternoon.
	Why would you remember that so specifically?
	Why would you remember a Pizza Express birthday and being at home?
	Because going to Pizza Express in Woking is an unusual thing for me to do.
	A very unusual thing for me to do.
	I've never been, I've only been through Woking a couple of times, and I remember it weirdly distinctly.
	As soon as somebody reminded me of it, I went, oh, yes, I remember that.
	Now, one thing I know the media mob was looking at is, well, what involvement does Donald Trump have?
	Well, there were specific questions asked about Donald Trump.
	Do you ever see him on the plane?
	No.
	Do you ever see him at his place in New Mexico?
	No.
	You ever see him at his place, Orgy Island, as they call it?
	No.
	None of the places ever see him in Palm Beach?
	No.
	And Donald Trump famously kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, apparently because of his behavior regarding women.
	Joining us now to discuss this, Arthur Idala is with us.
	He's an attorney for Ghislaine Maxwell.
	Sir, welcome back.
	How are you?
	Long time.
	How are you, sir?
	It's always a pleasure to talk to you and warm regards to you and everyone around you.
	Happy New Year.
	All right.
	So you represented Ms. Maxwell.
	It really came down to her and Jeffrey Epstein with all these other names being mentioned.
	What was your reaction to the release of this information yesterday?
	Well, it's nothing.
	I mean, it was a big zero for really anyone who has followed this and studied it.
	There weren't any really big revelations that came out of it.
	And just to be clear, Sean, I actually, I did not try Elaine's case.
	I'm doing, we're working on her appeal, and we'll be arguing that probably in the month of March.
	But, you know, obviously we know the case inside and out, and we knew that there was nothing that was really coming out here.
	And for open disclosure, I also represent Alan Dershowitz in his defamation case against Virginia.
	Professor Dershowitz, who, by the way, was on my show last night, and an accusation was made against him, and then it was retracted, which I think is an important point.
	And he even says that he believes, had all the information come out, and the judge didn't release everything, that there's exculpatory information about him that he wants out.
	He wants it all out.
	And he's been, you know, pleading his innocence from day one.
	But once she withdrew the allegation and said she may have been mistaken, I don't even know why his name gets mentioned anymore.
	Well, I, you know, I've been by Professor Dershowitz's side since he was mentioned in a footnote in a different lawsuit by Miss Juffrey in 2014.
	So it's going on a decade that Professor Dershowitz and I have been fighting these charges.
	And, you know, hats off to him by really screaming his innocence from the highest mountains possible.
	And he has the cachet to do so.
	And ultimately, I guess it was last November.
	Yes, Ms. Juffrey said that she may have been made a mistake and there were apologies issued.
	And, you know, you have to keep that, Sean, in the front of your mind because she is a big person here making these accusations and throwing all of these names around.
	And the only one who really pushed back hard against her was Professor Dershowitz.
	And now we see how that wound up.
	So, you know, a lot of these names, I mean, Sean, you know, you mentioned Kevin Spacey.
	You know, I believe he's a gay man, so I don't think he's involved.
	You mentioned Stephen Hawkins.
	I believe he's a quadriplegic.
	So I don't think he was involved in any sex scandals.
	So, I mean, a lot of these names that went out there, including Donald Trump's name, are just thrown in there to grab some headlines and to have people, the likes of Sean Hannity, to discuss it on their number one radio show.
	The point is here, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, by everybody's account, do you disagree, you know, was involved in this really what's involved in an underage sex ring?
	Do you doubt that any of that's true?
	As a criminal defense attorney, Sean, the only reason why I hesitate is I didn't really get into Jeffrey Epstein.
	I got into Delaney Maxwell.
	I got into the accusations of Dershowitz Inside and Out.
	I don't, I mean, I know what the accusations are against Epstein.
	He was either killed or he killed himself before the U.S. Attorney's Office really got to put their evidence on the table.
	So, I mean, if you look at some of the evidence in Delaney Maxwell's case, yes, it looks like Jeffrey Epstein was doing some very inappropriate things.
	But she seemed to be Epstein's point person.
	Are you saying you don't believe that to be true?
	Are you saying that these allegations made by these women, even in some cases underage, that they were false, that none of this happened, and that she was unaware of all of it?
	Do you believe that?
	Well, it depends what you're saying.
	She's unaware of.
	Delaine Maxwell has been very consistent from day one that she was never involved in forcing any human being to do anything that they didn't want to do or put them into a situation where they were in any kind of danger or any kind of peril.
	If people made choices along the way, I mean, there are witnesses who say that some of these young women testified to them, or I shouldn't say testify, told them, that their times on that island and their times with Jeffrey Epstein were the best times of their life.
	I'm not saying that there aren't people who there aren't young people who may have been victimized, but there were also young people who were flying on private planes, eating caviar, drinking Don Perignon, and maybe, maybe hanging out with the likes of a former president of the United States.
	So, you know, I don't know enough about Jeffrey Epstein to really tell you the way I know about it.
	I mean, there would be a big distinction, though, however, if we're talking about an adult, adults versus underage girls.
	To me, there's a distinction.
	However, as a lawyer, you know interstate sex trafficking is illegal.
	In other words, if you're taking people from one place to another for the purpose of paying them for whatever sexual activity you're involved in with them, that would be a crime, is it not?
	Listen, I totally agree with you about people who are underage versus people who are of age, and sex trafficking doesn't have necessarily an age limit to it.
	There are actually ways that you could get more jail time for people who are underage.
	But look, the whole thing, Sean, I want to make something clear.
	I am not disagreeing with you whatsoever that if the claims against Jeffrey Epstein were accurate, what the U.S. Attorney's Office put in their indictment is accurate, it's absolutely disgusting.
	But here's what I do want to say, and you know this very well, covering New York politics for decades, New York courts for decades.
	The way when they arrested John Gotti and they arrested five of his associates, the way when they arrest the main defendant and they arrest three or four of their co-defendants that we see over and over again, when they arrested Jeffrey Epstein, they arrested no one else.
	And had he lived, you wouldn't have even heard the name Ghelaine Maxwell.
	That's my opinion.
	Maybe a witness would have said something, but if she was such a bad person, if she was so culpable, the way the U.S. Attorney's Office always works is they bring everyone down with them.
	Let's go down to Georgia.
	They don't just grab Donald Trump, do they?
	They grab Trump, Giuliani, and 17 other people beside them.
	But here, they only grabbed Epstein.
	So if there's a devil here, if you want to call him out, it's Jeffrey Epstein, and everyone else may be collateral damage.
	I don't know what you want to call him.
	That Monday morning quarterbacking.
	But here's what's really ironic, though, Sean Hannity.
	And I know you can wrap your brain around this one.
	This is a sex trafficking ring of young women being abused by men.
	And the only human being who's incarcerated for this, who's been charged with this, is a woman.
	All right, quick break.
	We'll come back.
	We'll talk more with Arthur Idala.
	He is the attorney for Ghislaine Maxwell.
	And anyway, we'll continue our discussion about the document dump yesterday as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein.
	We'll get to your calls coming up as well.
	800-941-Sean, our number.
	All right, we continue now with Arthur Idala.
	He is, by the way, the attorney for Ghislaine Maxwell, especially on this appeal that she has coming up.
	This in relation to the big document dump as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein.
	Look, I mean, here's the problem, you know, Arthur, is that we're looking at the possibility here that we have, you know, these very rich, powerful men.
	I mean, to be on an island or be in a resort or to be in a location and then to have these very specific charges laid out against you, you know, where there's a lot of smoke like that, a lot of people are going to believe there's fire.
	Do you think there's no fire?
	Well, here's where I'm tainted.
	And since you had him on your show last night, I could talk about it, is Professor Dershowitz.
	When we first came into this case, she's saying Dershowitz was on the island and sexually abused her.
	And yes, you know what?
	Alan Dershowitz was on the island with his wife, with his 12-year-old daughter, I think she was at the time, 11 or 12-year-old daughter at the time.
	And there were no women there.
	Jeffrey Epstein had just purchased the island.
	There were actually workers there, like still putting the island together.
	So you have someone saying A, it happened.
	And then when you dig through it over years, years, Alan's been fighting this.
	It turns out, you know, this person says, I may have made a mistake.
	Maybe it wasn't Alan Tershowitz who did this to me several times.
	But he's the only one that that happened to.
	And I would argue his forceful denials and public denials and his willingness to challenge this at any level probably led to the, meh, maybe I made a mistake here.
	Well, but there were, I have no problem telling you, Sean, there were a lot of people who were criticizing me even, as well as Alan.
	There's that, I guess, Shakespearean expression, you know, thou who protests too much, saying, oh, Alan is just going on the offense as a good defense, but he must have done something wrong here.
	We knew the whole time that he didn't.
	Am I saying that I know whether Jeffrey Epstein had other people on this island who did these things?
	I absolutely am not.
	But, you know, I just had a bad experience, a very bad experience with the people who are making these accusations here regarding someone who not only is my client, he's a dear friend of mine.
	He's a mentor, and I respect him so much.
	So I'm being very honest, I'm very tainted in my reaction.
	I don't think you're tainted.
	I've known Alan Dershowitz for decades.
	I didn't believe it.
	And I listened to his passionate cries of innocence.
	And I still believe, unlike a lot of people, in the presumption of innocence.
	And I don't rush to judgment.
	And I don't know what happened.
	But I would like to get to the bottom of it.
	And anybody that was involved with Epstein that was guilty of this, I hope we find out who those people are.
	But we'll watch the case closely.
	Anyway, Arthur, Idala, great to talk to you again.
	It's been a long time.
	Thank you for being with us.
	Always a pleasure, Sean.
	Thank you so much.
	800-941-Sean, our number.
	You want to be a part of the program.
	Your calls, your comments coming up straight ahead.
	Hey there.
	I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	And I'm Carol Markowitz.
	We've been in political media for a long time.
	Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
	That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
	We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
	We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
	So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
	You're our kind of people.
	Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
	When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
	Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
	It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
	Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
	Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
	We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
	You put two and two together.
	Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
	Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
	I'm Leon Navok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
	This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Yes, that's right.
	Lock her up.
	Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	I'm Ben Ferguson.
	And I'm Ted Cruz.
	Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
	Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
	Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
	And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
	We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
	So download Verdict with Ted Cruz Now, wherever you get your podcasts.
	Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Ham.
	And I'm Carol Markowitz.
	We've been in political media for a long time.
	Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
	That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
	We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
	We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
	So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people.
	Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen.
	What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
	Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
	Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
	It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
	Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
	Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
	We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
	You put two and two together.
	Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
	Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
	I'm Leon Nayfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
	This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Yes, that's right.
	Lock her up.
	Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
	Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
	Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
	Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
	And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
	We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
	So download Verdict with Ted Cruz Now, wherever you get your podcasts.
	All right, let's get to our busy phones.
	Many of you really patient today.
	We're very grateful.
	Clay in Michigan, next Sean Hannity show.
	Clay, how are you?
	Glad you called, sir.
	Happy New Year, Sean.
	And I have to become the strongest advocate for Katie.
	She needs a raise.
	That's one of the best call screeners I have ever met.
	Why are you sucking up to Kate?
	Why are you sucking up to the call screener?
	Why are you just slobbering here?
	I mean, because you want to get on more often.
	I'm just guessing.
	Of course, because after 30 years of listening to you since Phil Donahue days, this is my first time talking to you.
	Used to talk to Rush quite a bit, but it's the first time I've called in, and I got to tell you, she kept it informed.
	She does a great job and keep up the great work, Katie.
	Make sure Sean Hannity gives you a raise.
	He can afford it.
	Okay, now you're saying everything that's true about Katie.
	Agree.
	If you used to call Rush a show, that means you'd talk to both Snardley, you know, James, a.k.a. James Golden, who's a dear friend of ours.
	And that also means that, I don't know if you ever got, there was a show within the Rush Limbaugh show, and that was James Golden screening calls for Rush.
	I mean, he would be battling, fighting.
	I mean, it was, you had to see it to believe it.
	It was so good.
	It was so good because the idea of a great call screener is to make the host look good.
	We know that.
	And Katie keeps the waiters on the line informed.
	And I do this part and parcel, but I'm not the level that you are.
	However, it's fantastic listening.
	But when we call in the Rush years ago, I mean, you'd fill in for him.
	Of course, man, we used to love listening to Hannity filling in for Rush.
	And you were one of the ones that got me inspired to do this, you know, nonsensical ravings we do on radio, as you know, as they say.
	So wait a minute.
	So are you hosting your own show?
	I'm a podcaster of sorts.
	Mine is called the Bald Eagle Show.
	But yeah.
	Good for you.
	By the way, good for you.
	And I hope people tune in.
	That'd be awesome.
	They are.
	You're going to get about 500 more listeners today because that's what I'm all being on there at 3 o'clock or whatever it is in Michigan.
	What's on your mind today?
	I want to congratulate you first on finally moving to Florida from someone who's stuck here in Michigan.
	I know how you felt there in New York.
	And don't apologize for it, Sean.
	That is my biggest frustration with you.
	What have I ever apologized?
	I'm not apologetic at all.
	As a matter of fact, I'm energized by it.
	I'm happy about it.
	And I'm glad I was able to finally do it.
	Well, you kind of did it last night.
	You're like, well, I maybe waited too long, and maybe I did.
	Sean, you did it is the key.
	I'm glad you did.
	There was a time when Sean Hannity was as decisive and as on point as anybody I ever listened to.
	The only frustration I ever seem to have with you, Sean, is that you like to play it safe sometimes when it comes to this boycott stuff.
	All righty.
	And I know you've explained it before on your show, but people like Dylan Mulvaney or Target or Disney, these are the same ones that want to boycott you.
	And I get you want to play it safe and not offend the workers and so on and so forth.
	But honestly, would you want to work for a company that makes awful decisions?
	So yes, I'm not an advocate of boycott the whole world.
	However, those jokers that have hurt their own company, if you work for them and you are complicit in their bad decisions, where's their union?
	It's my question.
	Well, let me just correct one thing you're saying.
	You're right about that I don't support boycotts.
	I don't call for firings and cancellations.
	But your reasoning or your perceived reasoning that I'm doing it to, quote, play it safe, is not accurate.
	It's that I am a believer in freedom, and I take that belief very seriously.
	What do I mean by that?
	For example, I'm not telling anybody whether they should buy Bud Light or not buy Bud Light.
	I just don't want to participate.
	I'll tell you why.
	In that case, I didn't want the guys that work in the factory, the guys that load the trucks, the guys that pay for the routes to lose any money.
	I talked to one route owner the other day, and he said it was his worst year in the beer industry, and he's been doing it for decades.
	My friend John Gomez was having dinner with him, and he called me, and we talked to them.
	I talked to this guy.
	He was a nice guy.
	So there are reasons.
	As long as everybody has the freedom, if your choice is, I don't like what they did at Anheuser-Busch, and therefore I'm going to boycott them.
	Well, I support the freedom that allows you to make that choice.
	And if somebody doesn't want to watch a show or listen to a show, they don't have to.
	And so for me, it's about the principles that has nothing to do.
	What am I playing safe here?
	If I say, you know, I support a boycott, how is that safe?
	What am I saving myself from?
	Got it.
	My only respectful pushback on that, Sean, is that these laborers that we feel so sorry for consistently when their executives make ridiculously bad decisions.
	I mean, what possible good could have come of Bud Light?
	Let me finish, and then I'll go ahead and give you the floor on that one because I don't want to take your time up forever.
	But these people that work for these companies need to also stand up.
	They have unions.
	They pay dues.
	If we are feeling bad for laborers that are unwilling to speak up against a company that is making a bad decision that will affect them, I feel bad for that laborer.
	But do you truly want to work for someone like that?
	You are way too dismissive of people that think about this.
	Let's say you have one of the beer routes that you paid a lot of money for, invested a lot of money in, and now you're making half what you used to make.
	Or let's say you work in a beer factory, or let's say you drive one of those trucks, and now you're making a lot less money, or in the case of many, that got fired as a result.
	These were high-paying career jobs for people, and you're just very nonchalantly saying that they can walk away from their career job, and meanwhile, they got a mortgage to pay or rent to pay.
	They got a car payment they got to meet.
	They got kids to send to college.
	You're being way too casual with people because you should just walk away because they didn't like one decision that their parent company made.
	It's not that simple for people.
	And I know maybe in principle, sure, we'd all like to be the most principled people, but you know what?
	They've got responsibilities.
	They've got kids they've got to feed.
	They've got health care bills that they've got to pay.
	They've got car payments and house payments that they've got to pay.
	And, you know, over Dylan Mulvaney, do you really want to leave a career job even though they should have apologized and should have resolved this a lot quicker?
	I think they made a really loud statement by partnering with Dana White and UFC.
	I think that was their way of saying, you know what, we're done with this and we're going to tell the world we're done with it because you're never going to silence Dana White.
	You're never going to shut him down, ever.
	And they knew that and they did it anyway.
	That might have been their roundabout way of apologizing to me.
	So I'm kind of surprised you're so casually, you know, saying, well, if your company makes a bad decision, you need to walk away.
	It's not so simple.
	But the bottom line is, Sean, there's 10,000 other beer makers out there.
	Okay.
	Okay, but if you've been there 15, 20 years and you're about to get a pension, why would you walk away from that?
	Because if you can't just, I mean, what are they going to do?
	So Bud Light goes out of business.
	They're not going to have beer anymore.
	There's millions of other places to drive for.
	Listen, thousands of people lost their jobs as a result of this.
	And those jobs are career jobs for many people.
	Then they should be the loudest and proudest protesters of the nonsensical decisions these companies make.
	Otherwise, if they're quiet about it, just because they're afraid to speak up against their boss, then they're going to continue to allow bad decisions to be made at that executive level.
	That's what I'm basically saying.
	No, I think they should be able to speak up and have the opportunity to speak up.
	But you know what?
	A lot of times, a lot of companies, you speak up, and right there, your career is pretty much over.
	You got to be careful.
	Listen, I, I, life can be too, you're breaking this down into take a stand on principle and go down with the ship.
	And I'm just telling you, if you are the breadwinner and you have responsibilities and you have a family to take care of, you can't be that nonchalant.
	You just can't.
	But if that's what you choose to do, I respect your choice.
	I would respect your right to speak up and speak out.
	And if you're willing to pay the consequences, pay them.
	You know, you've got to pick the hill you're going to die on.
	I mean, let me ask you, for example, do you have a significant other in your life?
	Are you married?
	Divorced, got a girlfriend and two daughters and a granddaughter.
	Okay.
	I'm sure.
	So you get to a point where maybe you have a disagreement with your girlfriend.
	Okay.
	At some point, maybe it's a deal breaker.
	Maybe it's you, oh, you got a compromise.
	Maybe it's you, you have to do something you really don't want to do, but you do it because you care about the other person and their feelings.
	You know, in this case, you don't know the circumstances people are living under.
	You don't know the financial responsibilities they have behind those jobs.
	And I just think you should be a little more considerate and understanding of the position that they've all been put in, granted, by idiots in some marketing department that made a really dumb decision.
	And then the poor handling by Budweiser or Anheuser-Busch management, I think they just doubled down on stupid and they let it extend out much further than it should have gone.
	Now, that does not, then you've got to look at mitigating circumstances.
	And Dana White made this point.
	Do you know how hard it is to get one of those routes?
	It's nearly impossible.
	It's nearly impossible.
	People that get the routes, they hang on to it for their entire life, and then often they'll hand it off to a family member.
	So those routes, they're not readily available.
	I'll just get another route.
	It's not that simple and make as much money.
	And they invested their own money in this.
	And as I talked to this guy, it was just last night.
	I get a call from my buddy Gomez.
	He says, hey, Hannity, I want you to meet a friend of mine.
	He's over for dinner.
	And he started telling me the impact that this Budweiser boycott had directly on him.
	And he's been in the beer business for decades.
	The worst year he's ever had.
	And you know what?
	My heart goes out to him.
	I don't want people to suffer needlessly.
	All right, Clay, I'm going to let you go, man.
	Good luck to you.
	God bless you.
	Tommy, Texas, next Sean Hannity Show.
	Hi.
	Sean, good afternoon.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	What's going on?
	Well, ditto's to what you just shared with that previous caller, and you got me thinking.
	I worked for an Anheuser-Busch distributor many, many years ago in central Texas.
	And that's right when Bud Light overtook Miller Light as the number one brand light beer.
	And we sold figuratively, literally, truckloads and more.
	I'm thinking back, if I was still there, that would have absolutely affected my income.
	Big time.
	This guy said the worst year he's ever had.
	He's had to make financial decisions as a result of the declining income.
	Look, most people think when they have a career job, they make financial decisions.
	Okay, I can pay my mortgage rent, car payment, and put enough money away for retirement and my kids at college education.
	Those are the decisions that would go out the window when somebody makes a dumb decision like they did in this particular case.
	But that's why I thought about those people before I thought about one dumb decision by whoever made it.
	Sure, sure.
	No, and I agree.
	And I will also say, Katie, you do a great job.
	I'm not sucking up, but she does do a great job.
	I heard that.
	But no, no, by the way, you are totally sucking up, but it's fine.
	She does do a great job.
	Hey, Linda, you're getting left out today.
	It's like people don't remember you because you've got your laryngitis.
	I love it.
	Give her some praise.
	On Linda, because of her laryngitis.
	See that?
	Yeah, some people like her more with laryngitis.
	I'm getting notes all day yesterday.
	I hope she's close enough to slap you.
	No teasing, of course.
	Hey, listen, the real.
	Oh, she's in her free state of Pennsylvania, and I'm in my free state of Florida, but go ahead.
	Yeah, it has to be some long arms.
	So as I expressed to Katie, and this is somewhat rhetorical, and you don't have the answer, and you don't have the time to answer it.
	I got a phone call yesterday, and this is what prompted me to call your show.
	I got a phone call yesterday from somebody with Ted Cruz campaign, you know, wanting me to contribute money.
	And I often get phone calls from the RNC because my wife and I have been contributors for a long, long, long time.
	We don't give a lot of money, but we give what we can.
	We're small business owners in Texas, and we want to support the conservative way of life and hopefully get this country back on the right track.
	Living in Texas, we are firsthand to see the border crisis and all the people that are affiliated with it.
	The homeless crisis in Austin is tough.
	My question is, and again, it's a tough one and probably a long answer.
	What are the Republicans going to do?
	And this is my concern.
	It causes a tremendous amount of trepidation for me and my friends to continue to give money, to give money, to give money to support the Republicans and the conservatives.
	Only because I'm running out of time.
	I want to give you an answer that's hopefully meaningful to you.
	Ted Cruz has been one of the top conservative leaders in the U.S. Senate.
	He is being targeted.
	They'll spend more than what Beto Bozo spent the last time Ted ran for re-election.
	Ted Cruz is a fighter.
	Ted Cruz stands on principle.
	He's been great in sounding the alarm about the border.
	Both he and Governor Abbott have been terrific.
	And I could just tell you, if there's one person, if you want my recommendation that does need support because he is being targeted, it's Ted Cruz.
	We need Ted Cruz in the Senate.
	He's that good, and I don't want to lose him.
	Anyway, I just have to let you go because of the constraints of time.
	I do appreciate the call, my friend.
	God bless you.
	All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
	Hannity tonight, 9 Eastern.
	Oh, the great Senator Kennedy of Louisiana.
	You never want to miss him.
	Jonathan Turley tonight, Charlie Hurt, Kaylee Magenani, Reince Priebus, President Trump's attorney, Alina Haba, Pam Bondi, much more.
	Set your DBR, Hannity at 9 on the Fox News channel.
	See you tonight.
	Back here from the free state of Florida tomorrow.
	Thank you for making this show possible.
	You want smart political talk without the meltdowns?
	We got you.
	I'm Carol Markowitz, and I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
	We've been around the block in media, and we're doing things differently.
	Normally is about real conversations.
	Thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic.
	We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day.
	Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
	Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
	From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
	What difference at this point does it make?
	Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
	I'm Ben Ferguson.
	And I'm Ted Cruz.
	Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
	Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
	Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
	And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
	We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
	So down with Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.

▲