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Fair Trials in Georgia - August 16th, Hour 1
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Bob McDonnell, he was prosecuted and convicted in a case that was run by the special counsel Jack Smith, found guilty of 11 corruption counts, took it all the way to the Supreme Court, got a unanimous vote vacating the conviction.
You know, that whole thing was over $135,000 and the federal sentencing recommendations was 10 years in jail.
And what was amazing, what that case hinged on was, quote, government favors or official acts not really defined in law.
In other words, very broad.
And yeah, there are people that when you're in public office might give you a cigar.
They might give you flowers.
They might give.
And, you know, this is what B.V. Netanyahu was going through and dealing with down dealing with in Israel that he got cigars and his wife got a gift.
Kind of a common occurrence.
If you're a head of state, in that case, prime minister of Israel, you know, it's just an absolute mess.
But I mean, this 10 years, 135,000, anyway, it took him $28 million and nearly four plus years of his life when you consider the investigative time.
And it ends up with a vacated decision by this unanimously vacated lower court decision, conviction.
And anyway, he'll tell us his story.
You know, one of the things that, and this is generally speaking, one of the things that really concerns me is, and this should concern everybody in the case of like, for example, Donald Trump in New York.
You know, you have a DA, Alvin Bragg, you know, ran on a platform to get Donald Trump, made a promise of pledge.
One man, one family, one organization.
He's going to be going after them.
You can't have a position in power like that, and that's your pledge and your promise.
Wow, that's been the same thing with the Attorney General.
You know, where this is getting, you know, to be really, really, you know, difficult for President Trump and the country is, you know, we're about to have a primary for president of the United States.
He's the leading candidate right now for the Republicans by a pretty large margin.
Now, if you look at the PAC schedule, okay, the 23rd, what is that?
Next week, I'll be in the great state of Wisconsin.
Fox has their first Republican primary debate.
We don't know for sure whether or not Donald Trump is going or not going or attending or not attending.
But in the meantime, between now and the 25th of August, he has to be arraigned in Georgia for the charges that were brought up on Monday.
Then the case, the civil case brought by the New York Attorney General, looking for $250 million judgment.
He and his family will have to deal with that in October of this year.
I would imagine, hopefully, maybe a deal can be struck ahead of time.
But anyway, then Jack Smith wants on January 2nd of next year for the trial in Washington, D.C. to begin.
Here's one of the problems with that.
And this is where these conflicts now come in.
These trials are going to take weeks and weeks on end.
How does he campaign in Iowa?
Because on January 15th, you know, a mere 13 days later, they're holding their first presidential caucus.
And then if you look also that same date, the 15th, when Iowa's caucuses are taking place, the court docket calendar has the Eugene Carroll defamation case being scheduled.
You know, that case was already settled, but then something Trump said when he brushed off the initial victory that she had, you know, that, you know, when he said it was a made-up story, she went back into court.
Here we go again.
And then if you look to mid-January to early February, well, then we've got the first primary, which is the New Hampshire primary.
And yet they're looking in Georgia where their intention is for a trial within six months.
I mean, they've been investigating this two and a half years.
You're going to give the defense only six months to prepare?
Okay.
And then South Carolina, February 24th, right in the middle of whatever's going on in Georgia, if these dates hold, they have their primary contest, their Republican presidential contest, leading up to Super Tuesday, which is March 5th.
By March 25th, the New York City case brought by Alvin Bragg is set to begin.
And that deals with the Stormy Daniel payment case from seven years ago.
And then in May of 2024, okay, then the Florida case is supposed to come up.
That's all happening in the middle of a presidential primary.
Now, Donald Trump keeps using the word election interference.
And he asked the question, well, if this was so bad, why didn't they bring these issues up before this?
Especially in the case in D.C., in the case in Fulton County.
I mean, it does raise a lot of questions.
By the way, is Joe Biden's special counsel going to indict Joe Biden for any?
We don't even hear word one from the guy.
You don't even know his name.
You know, Jack Smith's name is in the news every day.
Do you know the name of the special counsel appointed?
Well, you know the one in the Hunter Biden case because that was the guy that's been investigating for four years that offered him a sweetheart deal and that let the statute of limitations run out.
And the guy that the IRS whistleblowers claim that he said, and they wrote contemporaneous notes at the time, that he was the one saying that in spite of what the Attorney General is saying and he had previously said, he did not have authority to go beyond his districts to pursue charges and allegations against Hunter Biden.
But he did let the Hunter Biden, you know, did offer the sweetheart deal slap on the wrist deal that had written inside the gun diversion provision of the agreement that the judge didn't see until the morning of that hearing that, you know, any other crimes that may have been committed during this time period will not be followed up on, which the judge called out.
And is that what you're agreeing to this as a prosecution?
Oh, no.
How did that get in there?
We didn't mean to agree to that.
And then the defense said, oh, yes, you did.
And they've been trying to hold him accountable to that agreement.
So far, it's not working, but they're going to.
I thought there was a great piece in the, and I'll get into this with Bill O'Reilly later, but by the Epic Times, how the Trump indictment in Georgia, a lot of this now deals with something called criminal intent.
Now, one of the reasons I've never liked what they call our hate crimes legislation is, and remember, you might recall in, I think it was 2000, and remember the terrible, tragic,
dragging death of this man down in Texas, and then this ad comes out, and it was like my father was killed all over again because George W. Bush didn't support hate crimes legislation, which was a total distortion of his position because what he did support in the dragging death of this innocent man was the death penalty.
And good for him for supporting that.
But, you know, the idea is that you can actually ascertain and determine what is in somebody's head.
Now, unless they put it in writing, I'm not sure that you're able to successfully prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Now, of the 41 crimes that were brought up in the Georgia case, committed by various people, of the alleged 11 crimes, alleged crimes, 11 list President Trump as defendant.
And what we've now discovered in the Epoch Times points out is they would require various forms of a criminal state of mind.
In other words, that the perpetrator, in this case, it would be Donald Trump, and it would be probably the other people, the other 17 people charged, that they would have a need to be aware that what they were doing was unlawful.
Well, how do you prove that?
Because if you look at the nearly 100 pages of the indictment, I've read the whole thing about the enterprise, the enterprise, the enterprise, that's all, you know, word parsing to convince everybody to see this is a racketeering case, a RICO case, usually used against mob families, et cetera, historically.
The guy that would know it the best is Rudy Giuliani.
But anyway, they don't explain how the Fulton County DA knows that President Trump acted with criminal intent.
We do know that Donald Trump was told that this was legal and this was lawful.
You know, the issue of the phone call, if you read and actually you can download it, the full conversation that took place, the one in question that says I only need 780 votes, but all of the comments of the president up to that point were referencing where he viewed himself as having won Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes and where he saw election issues that he believed in.
And having been somebody that's interviewed him as much as I have, and it's all public record, I could tell you that if he took a lie detector test, he believed it and still believes it.
I mean, I think he's threatening to come out with a rebuttal against these charges that he believes would be an exoneration.
I think personally, from a legal standpoint and a political standpoint, a bad strategy.
That's my humble opinion.
Elections are about the future on that side of it, the political side of it.
And I think that at this point now, having been indicted, it's better off to be quiet and not talk about these things.
That's my own personal view based on the fact that I have attorneys that I talk to regularly and they advise me of these things.
Anyway, I'll give you one example of this.
If this is about Donald Trump's allegation, or the allegation is about his efforts to overturn election results by using a racketeering conspiracy to do so, and by claiming that the election was marred by irregularities, et cetera, et cetera, and fraud, et cetera, et cetera, and leading some to have this alternative.
And we'll play for you, Democrats, by the way.
In all their times, they talked about Donald Trump being an illegitimate president and how foreign influence and Russia elected a foreign president and played a role in this and how signed the petition so Hillary can overturn the election results.
All of that happened, but again, we have a dual justice system.
We don't have equal justice in application of our laws.
Anyway, one of the things they allege is that, you know, some of the violation of state laws against solicitation of a felony.
In other words, if you're convincing lawmakers that you're right, and that, well, that would refer to them breaking their oath of office.
Well, the Georgia Oath Office says, I hereby solemnly swear or affirm I will support the Constitution of this state and the United States.
And all questions, measures which may come before me, I will so conduct myself as will, in my judgment, be most conducive to the interest and prosperity of the state.
The indictment doesn't explain what part of the oath that I just read you that lawmakers were asked to break.
And as this Epic Times piece goes on, fundamentally, violating the oath would only meet the criminal statute standard if it was done willfully.
In other words, with criminal intent.
Now, unless you have them saying we're doing this even though we know it's wrong, that would be criminal intent.
Or did they believe in what they were saying?
And how do you prove that?
That bar is so high.
It's insane.
Now, I'll give you the historical context.
Bill O'Reilly wants to talk about the history in the 1800s and Thomas Jefferson and Burr and Hamilton.
But even more, you know, of a legal precedent of alternative elector slates being brought to bear happened in the Nixon election with Hawaii.
I'll go into all of the details of that case.
But again, I have to digress and go back to another point that I made, which is I don't believe any Republican can get a fair trial in Georgia, a Fulton County, predominantly Democrat, or New York City.
12% voted for Trump.
D.C., another venue, horrible for him.
So I think Professor Dershowitz is right saying, yeah, we're likely going to see convictions.
And then the trick is going to be to overturn it.
Here's the problem.
The trials are likely to take place next year in an election year.
The appeals will take place post that election.
So that won't be in the voters' minds.
And that raises the whole issue of whether or not, you know, this is fair to this country and to Donald Trump and to everybody if you have the election but don't have an opportunity to have the appeal.
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So this is where we now find ourselves.
You know, so they moved up.
Let's have the trial in Georgia as if the schedule wasn't insane enough.
Let me go back over this schedule because this gets more fun and more interesting, you know, as we learn more details, as they get more emboldened in what it is that they actually want to do here.
And, you know, you put it all together.
Oh, this is going to be one hell of a year.
Got to tell you that.
All right.
You really don't need to talk about this year because Republican debate next week.
The original deadline for Georgia was the 25th.
Okay.
Now they want September 5th.
But they want the trial to start in March.
March 5th.
I'm sorry, March 4th.
On March 5th, that would be Super Tuesday.
Now, in the interim, we know that the, again, this flies by.
This is not our first rodeo.
We've been through many presidential elections.
You got Iowa is now holding their caucus on January 15th, but they want to start the DC case and have requested the trial start on January 2nd.
Likely, by the way, to take weeks.
Likely.
Okay, but January 15th, a mere two weeks into this, less than two weeks into this, they would have the Iowa caucuses.
By the way, that very same day.
I know it's a mere coincidence.
January 15th would also be the beginning of the E. Gene Carroll defamation case.
Okay, we'll start that one.
And then mid-January to early February, we have the first primary, and that's in the state of New Hampshire for the Republicans.
Yeah, New Hampshire people that are listening, yeah, the Democrats abandoned you because Joe Biden wanted a more favorable primary schedule, and he wants to start in South Carolina, which is where James Clyburn, the powerful congressman from the great state of South Carolina, saved his ass by endorsing him in 2015 and 16.
He did save him.
Joe Biden would not have won the nomination if he didn't win South Carolina.
Anyway, so, and speaking of South Carolina, that's February 24th, but now we have that leading into Super Tuesday on March 5th, but on March 4th, then they want to start the case in Georgia.
Wow, the day before.
I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Then the 25th of March, well, that would be when the trial is scheduled to begin in New York City with Alvin Bragg.
And then, of course, why we're going to, I don't know why they're skipping April.
Why do that?
And May 20th, that's when the trial is supposed to start down in Florida.
Now, is that interfering in a presidential election?
That's what Donald Trump is claiming.
You think it's fair?
You think it's fair to the American people?
And there is a good question he's been raising.
If this was so important, why didn't they bring this up two and a half years ago?
They couldn't have figured this out in all that period of time.
And, you know, and then you risk now having all these trials take place, the ones that matter, the criminal trials, all in 24.
Now, assuming that I might be right, and I don't think Donald Trump can get a fair trial in New York or D.C. or Fulton County, let's assume for a second I'm right.
Then if I'm right and he's found guilty in all three of those venues, very strong possibility.
And later on, we're going to have on the program Bob McDonald.
Now, his convictions were vacated by the Supreme Court, but the whole process took three and a half years to get there.
If he had in the investigation time, it was well over four years.
By the way, he spent $28 million to clear himself in that case.
Wonder if that can happen.
Now, I'm just bringing up unrelated matter because I'm sure these are all mere coincidences.
You know, we have the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal that we spent a lot of time with, and David Weiss now, the guy that gave him the sweetheart deal, with the provision buried in the gun deferment provision of that deal that they handed to the judge only that morning.
And the judge said, oh, you have a provision in here that means that you're not investigating Hunter Biden any further on any issues like Farrer or anything like that.
Then they were called out in court.
They were hoping the judge wouldn't read it and rubber stamp it and sign the document and deal is done.
And then Hunter can't be charged with anything moving further.
That would have been locked in cement.
Judge says to the prosecution, is that true?
Oh, whoa, no, we didn't know that was in there.
Really?
You didn't know it was in there.
Just an accident.
And then all of a sudden, Hunter Biden's attorney said, well, hang on a second.
That's what we agreed to.
That's the document.
He did so agree to it.
And if not, we were changing our plea to not guilty because they knew damn well they were getting a get out of jail free card.
Anyway, so, but what's interesting about that, if you look at the timeline, the FBI gives Congress the 1023 form.
Remember that?
That was on June 7th after months and months and months and months of waiting.
Anyway, that's the one that documented the bribery allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden from that credible source.
You know, that being the Burismo CEO by the credible FBI source, the one that the FBI in the past has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to.
And lo and behold, I know it's a coincidence, but I'm just pointing it out.
The next day on June 8th, the DOJ and the special counsel indict Trump in the Mar-a-Lago document case.
I'm sure that was a coincidence.
I'm sure.
And on July 26th, when Hunter Biden's sweetheart deal with the DOJ was introduced into court, they didn't expect it to be blown up and then rejected by the federal judge.
The very next day on July 27th, oh, the superseding charges against Donald Trump were dropped the 27th.
In other words, the next three charges in the document case were dropped.
I'm sure a coincidence.
Don't get me wrong here.
And then on July 31st, Hunter Biden's former business partner, Devin Archer, testified before Congress that Joe Biden was on over 20 calls that he knew of and had these in-person meetings with oligarchs.
In other words, the foreign business partners of Hunter, the ones that he said he'd never know about, never heard about or never discussed anything with.
Those people at Cafe Milano.
I got to go to this place, Cafe Milano.
Obviously, the Bidens highly recommend it.
Very next day on August the 1st, again, I'm sure a coincidence, the special counsel indicted Trump as it relates to January 6th in the D.C. case.
And then on Friday, the special counsel was appointed to investigate Hunter.
The next day, the next Monday, new charges against Trump from Atlanta.
But this is all a coincidence.
Don't take it seriously.
Don't look at these timelines and think that they're trying to bury the news or anything like that.
That would be, you know.
But it's certainly convenient.
I'll say that, those coincidences.
Just like how many of you know that a former high-ranking FBI special agent by the name of Charles McGonacle pled guilty to violating U.S. sanctions and laundering payments from a Russian oligarch.
Okay, well, there are bad apples in every bunch.
I'll concede that point.
But then when you look a little deeper, you note that Charles wasn't just any rank and file member of the FII.
He was a senior agent, and he had a prominent role in Operation Crossfire Hurricanes formation that perpetrated what John Durham said was a case that never should have been opened.
And using a dossier that Hillary Clinton bought and paid for, ironically from Russia, again, a mere coincidence, a dirty Russian misinformation dossier that became the basis of four FISA warrants, even though the FBI had sent four FBI agents in early October 2016 over to speak to Christopher Steele and even offer him $1 million if he could corroborate the dossier.
He couldn't corroborate a thing.
He didn't get paid a penny.
But by the end of that month, they still used it in the FISA application, the first one that James Comey signed that says verified on it at the very top.
I'm sure it was just an accident and oversight on their part.
When Sandy Berger went into the archives and took those documents after 9-11, I'm sure those documents that he shoved in his pants, where his private parts are, assuming, I don't want to assume anybody's pronouns or status on my own.
That would be incorrect, and I want to follow all the rules properly and stuck him down his ass in his backside.
Well, technically between his ass and his underwear and shoved it down his socks and everybody said he was being merely sloppy.
Just think maybe this is a case of sloppiness.
I'm sure it was a sloppy.
Put it down your crotch, sloppy.
You're sloppy about it.
I'm sloppy too, so I can appreciate this.
I appreciate putting things.
I think the sloppiness was not something that we're going to regret later.
He sloppily put it between his ass and his underwear.
That's where he's put it.
Sloppy.
Shoved it down a sock.
Sloppy.
Sloppy, sloppy.
Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
Slap on the wrist.
Top secret classified documents ripped out of the archives.
Well, Hillary Clinton had top secret classified information on the servers.
They even believed at the time that our foreign adversaries were getting that information in real time.
No, no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute.
Come on.
That's a stretch.
I mean, come on.
You know, her home wasn't raided.
Her office wasn't raided.
Let's see.
We have top secret classified documents next to the beautiful Corvette in Biden's Delaware home.
It's just sloppy.
Come on.
No, they didn't need to raid that.
The door is closed almost all the time, except for all the times we have video and pictures of the Corvette wide open doors, right where the documents were.
Penn Biden Center, sloppy.
Come on.
Why are you being rigid and unfair here to Joe?
University of Delaware, come on.
Did Joe go through every document himself?
Give the guy a break.
Come on, man.
Give him a break.
Come on, man.
Come on.
You know, on crack, you're a junkie.
And anyway, the op research, the dossier, yeah.
I'm sure it was just sloppy.
Or the beach house where they found more classified documents.
Did his homes get raided?
Is his Penn Biden Center, Delaware office?
No, no.
That didn't happen.
But we have equal justice under the law.
Just listen to all the prosecutors.
By the way, you know, we need to put out an all-points bulletin.
Has anyone ever seen or heard of the special counsel appointed to look into the Biden top secret classified documents scandal?
No, no.
David Weiss appointed the same guy that offered the sweetheart deal and allowed the statute of limitations to run out.
That guy's now the special counsel.
You know, I can hear the congressional hearing.
Mr. Weiss, is it true or not true that you told IRS, David Shapley, and others that, and they took contemporaneous notes, that you said you didn't have authority to go into other jurisdictions to investigate Hunter Biden and charge him?
Did you say that to these whistleblowers?
Are they liars?
Well, this is a pending case under investigation.
I just am not allowed to comment on that.
Attorney General Garland, is it true what the IRS whistleblowers and David Weiss, what you have said publicly under oath, that David Weiss had authority to go into other jurisdictions and complete autonomy to look anywhere in his investigation into Hunter Biden and his business deals, etc.
Is that true?
Well, it is an ongoing investigation.
As you know, I appointed special counsel David Weiss, the one guy that could point out that I'm lying through my teeth.
And no, I'm just not allowed to comment on an ongoing investigation.
This is equal justice under the law, isn't it?
Am I missing something?
I don't think so.
I must be going crazy here.
A lot of liberals think I'm crazy.
Maybe I need to take that charge more seriously.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Nothing funny about it, because what you're watching is nothing short of our justice system literally now, tragically now, sadly now, you know, being weaponized.
Our DOJ has been weaponized.
FBI has been politicized and weaponized.
DOJ has been politicized and weaponized.
And that is a reality of America today.
That I do not believe we have equal justice under the law or equal application of our laws.
That would be a post-constitutional America.
Do you not see the severity?
What this means?
But Joe Biden, don't worry.
He's struggling to remember the name of Maui.
We'll get to this later.
And he didn't want to get in the way.
He didn't want to get in the way of all those people that lost their homes.
Okay.
Didn't want to get in the way, really, Joe?
Because most of the people were missing.
We're missing 1,300 people still.
We lost 100 that we know of.
And the place in places that is decimated, there's nobody there to get in the way of.
But don't worry, you'll give the people of Ukraine more money than you will the people of Hawaii that desperately need help.
And well, we might go to Hawaii.
Well, I think I'm going to go now.
Well, a little late, Joe.
What do you think of what's happened in Hawaii?
No comment.
Imagine if Donald Trump did that.
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I know these are all mere coincidences.
The entire timeline between now and, let's see, Iowa, the entire timeline between now and New Hampshire and all the trials and tribulations, but no time for appeal.
Anyway, we'll get Bill O'Reilly's perspective coming up.
And then later on, Bob McDonald, he was convicted.
And guess what?
It was vacated by a complete majority of the U.S. Supreme Court.
He'll tell us what he went through when he was prosecuted.
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