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Bill O'Reilly - August 16th, Hour 2
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Um, Bill and I actually were texting today, and he's gonna give you a historical reference as it relates to electors and the and the history of it.
Now I'm gonna give well I'm gonna bring up my example.
And in the end, I think we'll hopefully we'll bring a little enlightenment to the program and perspective uh for those people that think, you know, this is the first time for this, this, or that.
Maybe not so true.
Uh Mr. Simple Man Bill O'Reilly, I know it's your favorite time of the week because you're on with me.
Uh welcome back to the program, sir.
How are you?
How are you how are you holding up this summer?
You having a good summer?
I am.
I'm having a good summer, but I'm working too hard.
But I always say that, and I'm whining and and all that.
I don't want to do that.
But I've been spending a lot of time um working the big picture on this Trump situation, and I have it now, and I wanted to give it to you and your listeners first.
Now I'll be doing it tonight on the No Spin News, BillO'Reilly.com has it, and we got a million distr uh distribution outlets as well.
But I'm saying this for the first time on your program.
So you want me to launch or do you want me uh you want to ask me some stuff?
No, I want you to launch, and then I'm gonna bring up an example different from yours, because you already told me what you're gonna talk about, and I think it's I think it's very, very uh pertinent and impactful, and uh I want you to just have free reign to say it.
Okay, here we go.
The big story is not Donald Trump and it's not uh Joe Biden and it's not any of that.
The big story is that if we cannot have people run for elective office, whether it's local state, the president, Congress, whatever, without fear of corrupt prosecutors indicting them, we lose our democracy.
So if a small timer like Fanny Willis in Atlanta, Georgia can indict a former president of the United States with no other district attorneys in Georgia signing on not one other county in that whole state went along with Fanny, who then overstepped her jurisdiction because that charge should have been made by Georgia's attorney general.
Did everybody understand that?
That one person files a myriad of charges against a former president and no other county in Georgia follows her lead.
That's almost impossible to believe.
When you understand that, you can see that this could happen in any county to anybody.
Now, Fanny doesn't care whether she wins or loses.
She knows most of these charges are gonna be thrown out.
Why does she care?
She's a hero among the hate Trump brigades and the progressive movement.
That's what she wants.
Now we're gonna take you back to 1800.
This is where we get our history lesson, but this is lesson number one.
Lesson number two will come from the junior professor, Sean Hannity, because I'm much younger.
Okay.
I was witness to this in the year 1800.
Bill, when you're funny, it cracks me up.
I love when you make a funny.
Right, I'm glad you're uh amused, Hanadine.
Okay.
1800 Thomas Jefferson's elected president.
Aaron Burr is the vice president.
That was not a popular vote.
There was no way to tabulate popular votes in 1800.
It was a vote of the state.
All right.
Jefferson wins.
Burr was close.
They're in opposite parties.
Jefferson hates Burr because Burr is a scoundrel.
Later on, Burr kills Alexander Hamilton.
But now he's vice president of the country.
Jefferson dumps him in 1804 when he runs for re-election.
And he puts the governor of New York, George Clinton, in Burr's place.
Burr goes out west, where there's no law.
West of the Appalachians, in 1804, it was a free fire zone.
Burr organizes a group to try to take over the Western lands of America.
And Burr would run it.
Jefferson goes nuts and publicly charges Aaron Burr with treason.
Aaron Burr is arrested in New Orleans.
He's taken to Virginia, and a federal trial ensues where Burr is charged with treason.
The presiding judge is John Marshall, the first Supreme Court leader.
He and Jefferson don't get along.
Even though they're cousins, Hannity, Marshall and Jefferson are cousins.
They didn't like each other.
Marshall makes it easy for the jury to acquit Burr on treason charges, which it does.
Now, foolish historians say it was all personal that Marshall did this because he didn't like Jefferson and wanted to embarrass him.
That's not what happened.
john marshall if you study him was a brilliant man And he knew that if any president or any Justice Department official could charge a political opponent with a crime, then you don't have any democracy.
Because the powers that be Merrick Garland, President Biden can turn around and use their power to eliminate political opponents through the justice system, which is exactly what's happening now.
That that is a phenomenal analysis and applicable, I argue, to today.
No, I and I'm anxious to hear it.
The only thing I would add is that I don't expect the American public to know all that.
I mean, this is what I do for a living.
By the way, and let me just back you up.
If you uh if you have the pleasure ever of going to Bill O'Reilly, he lives in a bunker.
It's actually buried deep in the ground somewhere.
Um he doesn't let anybody know where he knows.
They blindfolded me and took me over to his house once.
And it actually has a lot.
This is your passion of historical uh documents and and photos and artifacts.
I mean, it's it's like a walking museum going through your house, a little cluttered, by the way.
You might have a little hoarding problem, but you know, short of that, I mean, you have some really really his great historical uh items.
Uh I mean uh a collection uh that any historian would envy.
I can back up everything I say.
But but uh I don't understand I don't expect people to understand all that, but I do expect No, I think you said in a very understandable way.
You broke it down that former high school history teacher.
I know how to do this, but I do expect the media to do some kind of research tokay.
You don't expect that.
That that part is not true.
You don't expect them to do anything, you know, that would require any any thought or or any uh reversal or adherence to their sick left-wing ideology.
You know better.
This is so big.
It is so big, but that's the problem.
It's huge for every single American.
Three years, Bill.
Three years they lied about Trump Russia collusion.
What did Durham say?
Operation Crossfire Hurricane never should have been opened.
They couldn't he couldn't corroborate one thing in that dirty Russian disinformation dossier Hillary paid for, and our FBI used to get four Pfizer warrants after they offered a million dollars to Christopher Steele uh if he would corroborate his own dossier, he couldn't collect a penny bill.
So that's the America we're living in today.
So what's your example now?
Okay.
So if we look at Georgia and and Fannie Willis alleging 41 crimes committed by various persons in this effort, 18 people.
Of those alleged crimes, eleven list President Trump as the defendant, and almost all of them, if not all of them, require various forms of criminal state of mind.
What that means is the perpetrator would need to be aware that they're doing something unlawful.
Now that gets into very, very dicey, you know, territory legally, because how do you know what somebody's mindset is, right?
Um they fail to explain how President Trump acted with criminal intent rather than you know executing a strat strategy that he believed was lawful.
Now, the in and they it centers around the allegation that Trump's effort to reverse the election was a racketeering conspiracy.
All right, so President Trump, his lawyers, his aides are claiming the election was marred by irregularities.
He said this is a long transcript.
If you read that that infamous phone call in Georgia, um he talked about 400,000 votes and 18,000 here and there, but I only need 11,780.
Uh totally that line is taken out of context in the overarching phone call, which is transcribed now.
Anyway, let me get back to my point.
Now, this this these charges, the DA Miss Willis is alleging here, violate the state's law against solicitation of a felony, namely convincing lawmakers to quote break their oath of office.
Well, I have in front of me Bill O'Reilly, the Georgia oath of office.
I do hereby solemnly swear, affirm I will support the Constitution of the State, the United States, and all questions and measures which may come before me, I will so conduct myself as will in my judgment uh be most conducive to the interest and prosperity of the state.
Now, the indictment does not explain what specific part of the oath that they claim lawmakers were being asked to break.
That is a big hurdle.
Now, I'm gonna get to the history side of it.
One more point, though, and that is violating the oath of office or a lawmaker violating the oath or asking them to violate their oath if they're asked to break it.
Well, that can only be criminal when willfully, meaning that with criminal intent, again, now we're getting into people's motives in their minds, did they believe it or not?
And in no way, shape, manner, or form did I think it's a high bar for the prosecution, except that the county is so heavily Democrat, I think the jury pool is going to be against Trump.
They didn't explain how they know the people involved thought that they were committing a crime rather than pursuing a legal avenue to challenge the election result.
Here's the history, Mr. History Professor.
I should get an A plus today.
Now, if you set up an alternative elector slate, you know, Bill O'Reilly, it does bear a legal precedent.
Let me bring you to the year 1960.
Irish Catholic running for president.
His name, John F. Kennedy.
And we go to the Hawaii election.
Well, John F. Kennedy challenged the result in court with a recount pending, even as Richard Nixon was certified the winner, winner.
Now, under such circumstances, Democratic electors convened to cast their votes for Kennedy and signed certification to that effect, as Kennedy's was successful in this challenge, you know, only thanks to the existence of an alternative elector slate that the state's voters were counted.
Now, explain to me, Bill O'Reilly, you know, with this criminal intent requirement.
How, if you had a fair jury, and I don't think Donald Trump can get one.
How do you get a guilty verdict?
Well, number one, that's what Eastman Trump's lawyers told him about uh the Penn situation.
So they said, look, under the Constitution, you can ask for a delay to certify the electoral votes.
The vice president can do that.
And here's the 1960 um example that that happened.
Okay.
So that destroys the special prosecutor Smith's allegation that Trump knew the election was lost and lied about it to try to keep power.
So you just made the case to the jury that criminal intent did not exist because there was a precedent in 1960 that Trump's lawyer brought to him.
Now to be fair, Trump wanted to believe that, and he didn't listen to the other people that said no.
Um this wasn't a legitimate situation in 20 um 20.
But anyway, both cases, Georgia and the January 6 are predicated about Trump believing one thing, saying another.
And I don't believe they have evidence.
I have not seen it to prove that beyond any reasonable doubt.
So that's where we are.
But people believe what they want to believe.
And the Democratic Party, and this is interesting.
The Democratic Party is in such bad shape.
Because Biden, did you hear Biden yesterday in Milwaukee saying that he watched the Pittsburgh bridge collapse?
Did you hear that?
Yes, that was a lie.
It wasn't a lie.
He has dementia.
That's true.
He didn't have the intent to lie.
Oh boy, you are so on your game today.
I like when you're on your game.
Always on my game, so you like me a hundred percent of the time.
No, you're not always on.
You've had your moments.
All right, thank you, Mr. O'Reilly.
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Let me just play for you, you know, all this talk about rigged elections, rigged the rigged elections, Russia, Russia stole the election, stole the election.
You know, um, why don't isn't anyone in the media recall remember what they said about issues when they lost elections.
It's an amazing, it's it's an amazing turnaround in terms of their perspective.
This is awful.
This is horrible.
Uh and then I'll follow that up with, you know, Hillary Clinton on MSDNC.
You know, interspersed with all of her past comments to see to make the point.
Listen, hacking the US election.
Hacking the U.S. election.
Russia hacked our elections.
The Russians hacked our election.
Russia hacked our election.
Russia hacked our election.
Russian hacking of our elections.
Hacking of our of our elections.
Russia hacked our elections.
Russia hacked our election.
Stolen election.
Russia hacked our elections.
Russia hacked our election.
Universal assessment that Russia hacked our election in 2016.
Foreign governments.
Hacked our elections.
Most young Americans consider Donald Trump an illegitimate president.
Illegitimate president.
He's an illegitimate president.
Why is he illegitimate?
He just won an election.
He's an illegitimate president in my mind.
That's it.
I absolutely agree.
Experts urge Clinton can't to challenge election results.
We will see how illegitimate his victory actually was.
He's an illegitimate president.
Russia hacked our election.
Russians hacking our election.
Our election.
Russia hacking our election.
I don't see this president election as a legitimate president.
Trump is an illegitimate president who stole the election.
He is not a president.
He's illegitimate.
And my biggest fear is that he's gonna do it again with the help of Ladd, his best past terrifying.
Would you be my vice presidential?
Hillary Clinton voters call to overturn election results.
More than four million people have already signed a petition on change.org.
Calling for the electors of the electoral college to quote, ignore their states, vote and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton.
Trump didn't actually win the election in 2006.
We are the victims of a bloodless coup.
He didn't even won the general election.
Yo, electoral college.
Make Hillary Clinton president.
Period.
Donald Trump is an illegitimate president.
Illegitimate president.
This wasn't on the level.
This election was not on the level.
I don't think he's a legitimate president.
He got his victory from cheating.
Yes, Trump cheated.
Trump cheated the 2016 election.
He's an illegitimate president.
No validity.
No credibility.
And because of that, anger it, what some see as an illegitimate president.
Donald Trump has not be a peaceful change of power.
A number of incidents turn violent.
Protesters hurled trash cans, flash bombs, and objects at police.
Several officers injured protesters knew rocks and smashed windows, leading to more confrontations, injuries, and arrest.
The chaotic scene just blocks outside the secure area of the inauguration.
So this attack on the elections was the most important step in a long line of efforts undertaken to undermine our trust and our belief in a functioning democracy and our commitment to one person, one vote.
You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you.
One of the things that we've learned by living it in these past few years is that democracy needs the trust of the people.
That's right.
That um the system of democracy at its heart is the idea that the people get to decide how we are governed.
Russia, the Russian government, Russian military, Russian intelligence, interfered in the US presidential election in 2016 to try to help Donald Trump win that election.
But I don't know that anybody should be satisfied.
This this is uh a terrible moment for our country to have uh a former president accused of these uh terribly uh important crimes.
I believe he knows he's an illegitimate president.
If bad actors tell us falsely that every election is stolen, and that the only way an election is Uh trustworthy is if they try to come out on top of it.
Um then something it's it it's t tells you something not just about that person or that moment.
It maybe wounds us as a democracy and in a way that is hard to repair.
Russia was interfering in the election, um, and they weren't doing it on their own, and he was in on it.
You know, the truth matters.
I mean, pretty powerful, isn't it?
I know it's long, but it's worthwhile.
Uh, something, by the way, the media will never hold themselves accountable for.
Uh Rob is in the Great Ocean State of Rhode Island.
What's up, Rob?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, I listen to you every day, mean.
You do a great job.
I just had one thing say about the indictment in Georgia.
So um, you see Ron Defense cleaning up the trash with the prosecutors down in Florida.
Why is Kemp just sitting back and letting this show happen in his state, you know?
Well, you're raising a great question.
Um, I guess he just has a different point of view.
I don't know.
You know, I know Rapsenberger had some pretty tough remarks yesterday, but he did complain back in 2021 that election and Fulton elections in Fulton County have been problematic for decades.
Um, and clearly he's one of the leading witnesses against Donald Trump in this case bought brought by Fulton County DA uh Fanny Willis.
Um, but he took Donald Trump's call when he was on that call.
If he thought something was inappropriate, what I don't understand is why didn't he say, excuse me, sir, I think this is inappropriate.
Or any of the other lawyers on the call.
I think that would have, you know, right then and there been the time to to speak up.
But anyway, he put out the statement in support of Trump's indictment.
The most basic principles of a strong democracy are accountability and respect for the Constitution and rule of law.
You either have it or you don't.
Now, when this eventually, I guess, goes to trial, which I don't see any other way out of it, there are other statements that he made um about the issue of integrity and competence in Fulton County.
And by the way, that includes Atlanta.
So we're talking about, you know, one of the largest counties in Georgia.
Um, but he did go on to say, and and this is pretty interesting, a press release you put out.
Uh it was October 11th of 2021, uh, calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to actually investigate Fulton County elections following allegations that they shredded municipal related applications and violation of state law.
And he said after 20 years of documented failure in Fulton County elections, Georgians are tired of waiting to see what the next embarrassing revelation will be, he said.
The Department of Justice needs to know, you know, needs to take a long look at what Fulton County is doing and how their leadership disenfranchises Fulton voters through their incompetence and malfeasance.
The voters of Georgia are sick of Fulton County's failures.
I mean, he actually said this himself.
After repeatedly calling for new leadership in Fulton's elections, Rapsenberger also participated in a review under George's Georgia's new law that could lead to the replacement of uh leadership in Fulton County.
Elections in Fulton County, quote, have been problematic for decades.
All right.
He said that.
I didn't say that.
Uh, you know, I d uh, you know, I just don't know the happenings.
I've been out of Georgia now since 1996.
I lived there, you know, I had great years there.
Atlanta Journal Constitution at the year-end edition in 1996 said it was a great year for the city of Atlanta.
The Olympics came and Sean Hannity left.
I have it framed.
Anyway, appreciate the call, my friend.
Hope that answers you.
800 941 Sean Moses, New Joycey.
What's up, Moses?
Why are you still hanging out in New Jersey, Moses?
The second I can retire and collect my pension from the fire department, going straight to Florida, Sean.
All right.
Well, how many years is that?
Uh nine more years.
Nine more years.
I get to buy back my military time, so I get a few years off.
Oh, nice.
Good for you.
Glad to hear it.
Well, good where you know where you're going in Florida yet?
Oh, I'm gonna go to Fort Lauderdale.
All right.
You may want to buy that lot of land or that property now while prices are within range.
It's prices are going through the roof if this migration continues of nearly a thousand people a day into Florida.
Home prices are gonna skyrocket it even further.
I'm worried about it.
Yeah, yeah, one day at a time.
I gotta get I gotta get it.
Baby boomers are leaving New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, a lot of people go into the Florida, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Texas, they're heading all over the place.
Mm-hmm.
Yes, sir.
So Sean, I want to make a couple of points very quickly.
I want to hear your thoughts on it.
What needs to happen immediately, right?
Because Tony Bobelinski gave a one hour interview before the election, and I have no idea why he's not testified in front of Congress to dispel and disabuse every single Democrat talking point.
I believe that Tony Bobelinski, uh Der Devin Archer, and Eric Schwerin, the money guy, all three of them need to testify yesterday in front of Congress, under oath and on camera.
And then what needs to happen is that the people that originated and received the 150 suspicious activity reports, they also need to be deposed or testify in front of Congress.
And then someone, after all that information is made public, someone has to be impeached, whether it's to the officials in the DOJ, the whole top level that obstructed justice or Joe Biden himself.
It needs to happen immediately.
I'd like to see all three of them testify.
Now I know Devin Archer was in recently.
I d I don't know the status of Tony Bobalinski.
Um Tucker interviewed him first.
I had an interview with him.
Uh, but I agree with you.
I'd like I'd like the country to hear what he has to say.
Um, and you know, I I think you're right about Eric Schwerin as well, because those emails of Hunter asking him how to pay Pops' home repair bills is pretty damning to me.
Of course.
And now the other thing, Sean, that I don't understand, is that there are laws on the books for malicious prosecution and abuse of power.
And every single day we're seeing not just corners be cut, but actual Department of the J or Department of Justice policies literally be thrown out the window.
And with the past that Jack Smith has, and also Fanny Willis, with some of the things she's done in the past, it's on record being overturned by the Supreme Court justices, prosecute prosecutorial misconduct.
The Republicans need to stop being punching bags, and they need to actually start going after these prosecutors under the statutes that are already on the books on the federal level and on the state level for malicious prosecution and for abuse of powers.
I don't think that's gonna happen because I think they have the full support of the Biden Department of Justice.
The only reason we're getting any information, for example, about the Biden syndicate and Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, and we've getting to the truth more every day, is really simple.
Republicans won the majority.
That's the only reason.
Anyway, buddy, Moses, hang in there.
Nine years, thanks for the great work you do, the heroic work of every firefighter.
You guys are awesome.
Thank you.
Uh all right, let's go to Nick in Georgia.
The speaking of Georgia.
What's up, uh Nick?
How are you?
Greetings, Mr. Hannity, big fan, and appreciate the work you do.
Say thank you.
Glad you called.
By the way, you know I was communicating with today?
Neil Bortz.
You know, you know, you know Bortz, right?
I do.
Yeah.
Neil Borts just celebrated, and I gotta send out a sh a shout out to him and his wonderful wife Donna.
They just celebrated their 50th anniversary.
So he's in New York City, and he's he's on some boat someplace.
I have no idea where he is.
I'm like, well, come on over and and and hang out at the TV show.
No.
He just flat out said no to me.
I'm like, gee, okay then.
Thought we were buddies.
Uh, but I am happy for him and Donna.
Congratulations to both of them.
And he's but he has been enjoying retirement.
I will say that.
Good for him.
Exactly.
Good for him.
Um, a couple of points I wanted to make to you uh real briefly was uh what I believe Mr. Comey and the Oversight Committee, I uh I love the work they're doing, but and maybe they already have this in their back pocket and they haven't done it yet, is that any place that they've been running into resistance, uh Ray Stonewalling, not giving him information, Merrick Garland doing his hands in the pocket and look the other way.
Anytime they meet any type of resistance, they go sit down with these people and say, look, you got one more opportunity to do the right thing and prove to the American people that you're here to look after their best interests.
And if you're not willing to help this committee, then we're gonna have to start investigating your bank accounts and seeing if perhaps maybe I don't know, there's some contributions from some shell companies that we need to investigate further.
Well, I mean, uh look, I mean I don't think they need to go that far.
I think that what the only reason we got the ten twenty-three form, which was very damning, was because they had to uh threaten Director Ray with with contempt.
I mean, it shouldn't come to that.
Um, in my view.
Shouldn't come to that.
But it came to that, and and that was a pretty damning ten twenty three form.
And now we need to know what the FBI did or didn't do and with that information by a highly credible FBI sourced, credible, defined, and and by the FBI, who paid this guy previously hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So, anyway, it speaks for itself.
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At the top of the hour, former Virginia Governor Bob McDonald, he was prosecuted by the special counsel, Jack Smith, and convicted on 11 counts, Then in a unanimous uh decision, the Supreme Court vacated those convictions.
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