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Hunter Is Still Losing - July 28th, Hour 2
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All right, before we check in with Professor Alan Dershowitz and John Solomon, and just to say, just to just to take a slight diversion here.
South Carolina Congresswoman Nancy Mace did an introduction of Senator Tim Scott at a prayer breakfast earlier yesterday.
And it is the most bizarre introduction at a prayer breakfast that I think I've ever heard.
And I just, you know, considering the the the heaviness of every topic we're dealing with every second minute hour of every day, it seems, it just cracked me up.
Listen.
And when I woke up this morning at seven, I was getting picked up at 7.45.
Patrick, my fiancee tried to pull me by my waist over this morning in bed, and I was like, no, baby, we don't got time for that this morning.
Uh I gotta get to the prayer breakfast, and I gotta be on time.
And a little TMI.
But um I you know he can wait.
He's got we got I'll see him later tonight.
I mean, it was just I just read that and it made me laugh.
Uh anyway, we welcome back to the program, investigative reporter and editor-in-chief, just the news.com, uh, John Solomon is with us, uh, Professor Alan Dershowitz attorney, author of Get Trump, the New York Times bestseller, here to discuss uh the happenings at yesterday's hearing, uh, Professor Dershowitz.
Um, you tell me if my instincts are wrong here, and and I'll defer to you.
Uh, but uh am I wrong in thinking this is extraordinarily unusual?
Uh what happened yesterday, the idea uh that that the prosecution and defense have this plea agreement.
They're hoping the judge signs off on it, and they didn't resolve the issue of whether or not uh future prosecution would be included, and and then Judge Narica uh saying uh isn't this unusual and non-standard?
And and they had no answer except yeah, it's not standard.
Um to me, I think that the fix was in, and this judge smelled a rat and called him out on it.
You're absolutely right.
I smelled a rat, too.
I predicted for two weeks prior to this that this was going to happen.
I predicted all over the news.
I wrote columns on it.
I said she will not accept this deal.
By the way, you said it first on my show, so you were saying it a lot.
Right, right.
Uh and and uh uh it it's obvious we didn't know what was in the deal.
And then when we saw the deal, oh my God, it didn't resolve the most important issue.
What if new evidence emerges?
What if new crimes?
What if we find out that Weiss was telling the truth and Garland wasn't, and he was limited in his investigation to this tiny state of Delaware, couldn't go across the border to the District of Columbia, couldn't go to Los Angeles, couldn't go to Barisma in Ukraine, couldn't go to China.
This was a limited investigation.
What if we were to find that out?
How do you have a plea deal when we don't know what the nature of the plea deal is?
Generally, judges don't interfere with plea deals, and that's why everybody on CNN and MSNBC was saying, of course it's gonna be accepted, of course it's gonna be accepted.
Dershowitz doesn't know what he's talking about.
And I said, No, it's not gonna be accepted, because I don't make predictions based on wishful thinking.
I made predictions based on sixty years of experience in doing this kind of thing, and I knew that there was a rat in there to be smelled, and she was brave enough to smell it and put the Kabash on it and say, What go back to the drawing board, get a deal that we both understand that means the same thing to everybody.
Then we'll see if we accept it.
I don't think she will, but I hope she calls Garland and Weiss and says, Look, resolve this with me.
Garland, you say he was free to look everywhere, follow the money.
Weiss, you say no, you were restricted to Delaware.
Well, now why actually Weiss has now taken the other position, Professor, and saying that the IRS whistleblowers are wrong and that he did have the uh authorization and the ability to go elsewhere, although I think as many as six people, and John Solomon will weigh in after you on this, uh, will testify uh in committee, uh, under oath, uh, that in fact they heard him say it, and many took contemporaneous notes at the time.
Well, and let's see, if he did an investigation, what did he do?
Where are his notes of the investigation?
Where are his 302 FBI forms?
Did he go beyond Delaware?
It really doesn't matter in some respects what he thinks he was authorized to do.
It's what he did.
Did he investigate?
There was a lot to be investigated outside of Delaware, and those are facts, those are not just opinions.
Did he investigate outside of Delaware?
We have to know the answer to that.
John, let's get your reaction to you know what happened in a courtroom yesterday.
Uh, I think this judge smelled the rat.
Uh the professor agrees with me.
There's no way, no way at all, they went into this courtroom yesterday without an understanding that the immunity would be for future crimes.
In other words, that it would be over.
They would be blanket immunity for any future prosecution, including a Farah violation, which he should have been charged with on top of everything else, if we had equal justice and application of our laws.
What's your reaction?
Uh well, first the professor had it right two weeks ago, he said this to me, and he is exactly right.
The judge saw there was a disconnect in how the prosecutors were talking and how the defense team was assuming this deal was going to go.
And when she drilled down to that, she found that they were on different pages, and you never want to accept the plea deal when people have a.
But were they really on different pages, or is it was it a wink wink nod nod, except with all that's going on in the judiciary committee investigating the FBI and the DOJ being politicized and weaponized, they knew damn well they couldn't get away with that, and they had to just the day that uh Hunter Biden team came out and said this covers everything for eternity.
Worse that the prosecutor came out and said this is what uh uh Alan originally seized on.
Prosecutor said there's still an ongoing investigation.
The two were irreconcilable, and I think the judge drew that out yesterday.
I think there's a second important event that happened yesterday.
This is a partial allocution going on because they thought this plea deal was gonna go through.
And I want to point out something that Hunter Biden said, because there's a different jury, beyond a court jury, there's a different jury watching this case very closely.
The American people who will render their verdict in the 2024 election.
Joe Biden has repeatedly and chronically said, my family never got any money from China.
And his son yesterday called his father a liar.
There is an elocution where there's judges go.
Thank you.
I just mentioned that.
I think you and I might be the only two people that caught that.
This is so important.
He acknowledges in 2017 that part of the taxes he didn't pay money on, it was a part of a transaction.
Six hundred and sixty-four thousand dollars that came from a Chinese company, CEFC.
He directly confirms that his he, the son of the president, got China money.
Now, how could Joe Biden be that wrong?
How could he not ask these questions?
The people are now looking at Joe Biden.
Joe Biden is on trial in this case in a political courtroom.
His honesty is on the line.
And time and time again now, we are finding out Joe Biden has been lying to the American public, either by not doing due diligence or knowingly misleading the American people.
I never spoke to my son Hunter or my brother Jim or anybody for that matter about their farm business dealings has now evolved in I've never been in business with them.
Uh However, going to your point about the money from China, we also have the WhatsApp message.
I'm sitting here with my father, and then the timeline confirmed by James Comer in the House Oversight Committee saying that within days, five million dollars went into the Biden family coffers, John.
Yeah, and next week we will get Devin Archer and I feel pretty confident based on all my reporting, he will say Joe Biden was in on many of the conversations involving Hunter Biden's business partners.
Now, does that mean there's a crime that occurred?
We don't know yet.
But the idea that Joe Biden was sitting alongside his son while being vice president, entertaining conversations with the client that his son was doing, that's exactly the sort of behavior that we tried to repudiate after Watergate.
We created all these ethics rules.
Joe Biden did not give us an honest answer in 2020 on many factual predicates and I think that's going to be the jury of the American people are watching this case and it will matter to them.
And yesterday there was a very big revelation that doesn't reflect well on Joe Biden.
When you have corruption on the level as described by the IRS whistleblowers Professor Dershowitz where they wouldn't allow the IRS investigators to even talk to Biden family members or that the FBI tipped off Hunter Biden about uh potential questioning that would would have been a surprise to him and then ultimately didn't happen.
And and you hear how the statute of limitations were allowed to run out even though they they had an agreement on an extension.
That's that seems a little odd for any prosecutor to let go of that, doesn't it, Professor?
Is there is there any way that the statute of limitations gets reopened because corruption allowed it to to expire?
It's very hard to do that.
I have to tell you I've been doing this 60 years in every You don't look at day over 30, I don't get it.
The prosecution always preserves the statute limitations.
That's the sort of Democlies I never in sixty years have heard of a prosecutor allowing the statute limitations to expire because that way he loses all of his leverage.
Let me tell you what I think happened I think there was an actual deal that Hunter Biden would never be prosecuted again.
But the Justice Department said we don't want to put that in writing because that will be embarrassing.
But you and we we have an understanding then the lawyer made a mistake and went out there and expressed the understanding and the Justice said oh my God now we're going to be embarrassed.
We have to deny it.
And so what happened is the judge smelled the rat and the judge said look I gotta know whether there is an understanding or there isn't an understanding if there is put it down in writing so the American public can read it and can evaluate it and use it in the court of public opinion.
So I think the judge caught both sides who are trying to do something without public accountability and that's exactly what a judge ought to be doing and she ought to be praised for it.
Now, will she take the next step?
And the next step is trying to resolve this issue about whether John's great reporting was correct when he said that David Weiss has told people that he didn't have the authority.
Well, it's not just John's great reporting, although he did expose it first because he was in touch with the whistleblowers.
I guess it is John's reporting, and I'm not taking any credit away.
I always give attribution, John, as you know.
but but I think I I think what they are testifying to is you know sp speaks volumes.
That that's right and and it's under oath.
And so you know whistleblowers just because they're blowing whistles doesn't mean they're telling the truth.
So we have to find out.
What we're interested in is the truth.
Was Joe Biden sitting next to Hunter Biden when he sent that tweet?
Was he on 12?
Well, we have confirmed that they were in the same place at that time.
That we know.
The question is, did he know?
Did President Biden know that his son was tweeting and using his name?
We have to get to the bottom of all these things.
And we'll only get to the bottom if we have checks and balances.
And that's why it's so important that there is a committee of the House that is looking into this thing.
the Justice Department isn't going to be looking into it.
That's what checks and balances are all about how does this how does this in a sense whiplash back or boomerang back on Merrick Garland and the DOJ, John, especially with Devin Archer coming in Monday, and if Miranda Devine's reporting is correct and your reporting is correct,
it's gonna be bombshell testimony, and that is that on multiple occasions, Joe, who swore he never talked to Hunter about his business dealings, uh, is Devin will testify that that it often was the case over a couple of dozen times that Hunter would call his dad with his foreign business partners there,
introduce them to his father, uh the clear message being, yeah, uh we're not going to really perform any service, but you have dad's protection, uh, which to me is the biggest influence peddling scandal in the history of this country.
Is there any chance there are recordings of this?
Uh, you know, one thing is nobody knows that this is well, the the only thing we've heard there are recordings of Professor, that's a great question.
The only thing we know there are recordings of, and it's possible that anybody could record anything, is the Barisma CEO when he was speaking with the FBI and uh eight informant that was getting the information and got all those quotes about how he paid ten million dollars, five million to one Biden, five million to another Biden, and we're never gonna find the path of the money for ten years.
Who I was cross-examining didn't know whether there were recordings.
And if you don't know whether there were recordings, you're gonna tell the truth.
If you know for sure there are no recordings, then it's you know, your word versus their word, and people can remember things very differently.
So if the prosecutor has recordings or doesn't have recordings, it's important that the witnesses not know whether there are or aren't recordings.
Let's get your take.
Uh John Solomon.
Uh uh General um the attorney general has really made an effort to distance themselves.
We have everything he needs to do.
It's his ball of wax to deal with this.
Obviously, Weiss had a bad day in court yesterday because his deal blew up.
Uh there is one thing that the the attorney general has said that he had absolute authority to bring those charges.
Uh we don't know if that's true yet.
I mean, attorney general insists it is.
David Weiss has given a very obfuscated answer about what he really meant.
And when did he find out he had the authority?
Was it after he dropped the charges uh or dropped allowed the tolling agreement for the statute of limitations to expire?
A lot of facts have to come into evidence.
At the end of the day, for the American people, Joe Biden is the most important person that we need answers about.
Hunter Biden is gonna plead to whatever g crimes he committed.
Uh David Weiss will come up with his explanations and and and Merrick Garland well.
Joe Biden gave a job interview to the American people in the fall of 2020.
At least four of his answers are now factually debunked by evidence in there.
That raises a much bigger question.
He has had one other very important claim that he's insulated himself with, and that is I d yes, I fired the prosecutor.
Yes, I uh took the billion dollars and used it as leverage, but that was official U.S. policy.
We have had that story since the impeachment trial, which of course Alan Dershwitz played a role in.
There is a very important set of documents that we're gonna make public very soon that is going to test that question.
We're gonna find out if Joe Biden was carrying out policy or if he made a significant change.
I gotta run uh but I uh I'll have more with you guys in the days and weeks to come.
This isn't going anywhere.
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Uh John Solomon, investigator reporter, just the news.com.
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You know, I didn't it's it was odd because he had already won the issue.
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Uh all right, let's go to Joel in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
You got an important uh election coming up in in November, and that uh will decide uh your state Senate and legislature.
That's gonna be interesting.
That's true.
That's true.
Uh I I talked about it locally here with um one of the radio announcers here.
I don't know if I'm allowed to say his name.
I'm not allowed to do that.
And say whatever you want.
I believe in freedom.
Go right ahead.
His name's Joe Thomas.
He's on WCHV, and we we discuss a lot of that, but um, I'm not trying to divert your question, but yes, it is an important election, and it actually starts with my birthday, the early voting.
But I just wanted to say this really quick or ask you this.
With the discovery of uh what was in the deal for Hunter by this judge, this judge that's following the law and trying to set her base it off of precedent.
Is there anything else that is gonna open up as far as like what maybe Merrick Garland's doing or what the DIJ did?
Because wasn't it weren't these charges brought up by the ATF?
I don't know about the ATF part about it.
Uh what specific charge are you talking about?
The actual gun charges in violation of um using uh I I don't remember the ATF's involvement on off the top of my head.
Um, but listen, you know, well, first of all, Joe Biden is, you know, uh he's he's been very pro stringent restrictive gun laws and and taking illegal guns off the street.
Okay, well, his son had an illegal gun on the street, and in his and it's we see it in videos.
We see I look, I didn't lot like the videos of how he handled his own weapon.
And so he lied on a gun application, and then I guess he was having a fight with the girlfriend at the time, and she decides to take the gun and throw it in a dumpster to get it away from him.
Which, by the way, was near a school, and it's extremely dangerous in and Of itself.
But putting all that aside, and thankfully some good Samaritan found it and handed it over to the police and they did the right thing, by the way, and the Secret Service was dragged into that too, and he didn't get in trouble.
Um I don't think that would happen to a Trump kid, and I don't think that would happen to any of us.
That's the dual justice system.
So that impacts, you know, we've got to look at Merrick Garland and and how this Department of Justice has been weaponized and politicized.
And how they run interference for all things Biden, all things Hillary Clinton, and and they try to just, you know, get Donald Trump for spitting on the sidewalk.
So it makes sense.
Yeah, it does.
It does.
And thank you for everything you do too.
I mean, it it I hope this nut gets cracked open.
You know, I really do.
I mean America's gotta America's gotta find out what's going on.
I mean, we really do, but thank you for everything you do, really, Sean.
Well, I can't do it without you.
I mean, this is a team sport, actually.
If we want to get the country back on track, I can't do it myself.
Um all of us have to spread the the the gospel of saving the country.
And so anyway, it's uh I I believe the people, this country at some point, you know, it's gonna kick in and dawn on them that things aren't going well, and we deserve better.
And I hope that's sooner than later.
Anyway, good call, my friend.
Thanks, Joel.
All the best.
Uh, Jim, South Carolina.
Hey, Jim, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Good Sean.
Uh, sir.
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What's on your mind today?
Well, you spoke in numerous times about the need for Republicans to meet uh mount a counteroffensive to ballot harvesting.
The Democrats seem to do very well.
And really my question is this, and I thought about it a lot a lot, and I'm curious where do you think that starts at?
How do we initiate that?
Well, it starts at the state level because it's i th the states have varying laws.
Some states don't even allow any ballot harvesting.
You know, most states have policies regulating a voter's ability to designate uh another individual to return their ballot, but you know, the the thinking behind this is oh, everybody's vote, everybody should have the right to vote,
and and this allows, you know, depending on what state laws are, uh legally, they allow people uh to coordinate efforts and collect absentee ballots and hand in the absentee ballots of other people.
And that's ballot harvesting.
And for the Democrats, it's it's it's been extraordinarily effective and is rightly generated a lot of controversy.
Well, I I get that.
It's been really uh, you know, troubling for me.
Uh thirty-two states allow ballot harvesting legally, and interestingly enough, two states that don't allow it have had the biggest uh tribuffles over the voting uh regulations, which is Georgia and Arizona don't allow ballot.
So what do we do in those states?
And I think none of your states only allow uh relatives or or direct uh decided of the voter to allow their balance to be harvested.
So it's kind of limited, but even though what we have to work with, how do we initiate that?
How do we start?
Where does it start at?
In a political polling place?
I think Republicans have got to look at the laws in every state, especially the swing states that are gonna matter the most.
Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
Uh, I'm not sure if we can play a Michigan, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and and they've got to match whatever the Democrats are doing.
Well, as a grassroots movement, where does it really start?
I mean, is it Well, it's uh to me, it's gotta start with the Republican Party in every state and the National Republican Party.
Now, uh, to the credit of Ronald McDaniel, she did start an effort to to balance out this reluctance and resistance that Republicans have against voting by mail and voting early.
You know, we we can't continue to start out election day down hundreds of thousands of votes, And then, you know, if it's a crappy day and it's raining or snowing or sleeting or you know, you got an ice storm the night before, um, you know, you can't count on day of voting when the Democrats are voting, you know, days, weeks, months in advance of the election.
And that she calls it banking your vote.
Republicans need to embrace it, not run from it.
Now, it's not the system I want.
I keep saying that.
I prefer National Holiday Election Day.
I prefer paper ballots.
I prefer that voting take place uh in precincts and that partisan observers watch the vote count in every precinct when the when the polls close, then they w watch the vote counting, and they make sure there's nothing nefarious going on.
And then after that's all said and done, you count the the votes at the end of the night, you declare your winner, you go home.
I think that would instill confidence in the results, it would bring integrity to the system, and I think it would be fair to all parties.
You know, you have to include with that voter ID, signature verification, chain of custody controls, updated voter rolls, all that has to be included as well.
So I'm saying it a lot, not to hear myself talk.
I'm saying it because Republicans have not gotten in the ballot harvesting game yet.
And trust me, I'm I'm putting a lot of pressure on the RNC to get their act together.
And I I rem when are you gonna start your ballot harvesting efforts?
You know, if I get told one more time, well, that would be a fifty, seventy-five million dollar, you know, project, I'm like, uh then go raise the money.
That's not my problem.
I'm I'm not part of the RNC.
I'm not even a registered Republican.
I'm just saying that if if they continue to give this advantage to Democrats, uh they are putting themselves at a decided disadvantage.
Don't do it.
Make sense.
Yeah, I mean, do you think it's up to the RNC in general or grassroots uh local?
I think it's a common I think all the above.
RNC nationally, Republican Party statewide, uh, I think people running for office, and I think the grassroots and and every Republican look, i if you're gonna vote conservative Republican this presidential election coming up.
Let me just tell you right now, and you've been reluctant in the past to vote by mail or vote early.
Get over it.
Get over it.
Just you you've got to accept it's not the system we want.
You gotta deal with the reality, the truth of what we have.
You fight a war with the army you have, and you can sit there all day wishing you had a stronger army and more tanks and and more jets and and more bombs and more whatever, but you can only fight that war with what you got and and hopefully try to catch up.
In this case, I'm trying to give ample warning to everybody that they better start paying attention.
Don't start out every election day in states down by hundreds of thousands of votes.
It makes it very hard to win those states.
Am I am I being clear?
I'm trying to be very clear.
I agree wholeheartedly, and I think Rush will be very proud of torture Yuri Kree in his behalf.
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Appreciate it, buddy.
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Uh Judy San Diego, uh Kogo Radio.
What's going on, Judy?
How are you?
Hi, I'm pretty good.
I am calling because I do not understand why we continue to have trials for people like or by people like John Durham and Donald Trump in venues for the conclusion is a foregone we know what's gonna happen.
Why can't they ask for a change in venue and why can't they appeal the verdict?
I don't understand why John the verdict and the earth and no appeal.
Well, once somebody's found not guilty, I mean it's over.
Otherwise you you bring in this you bring into play something called double jeopardy, which nobody should want.
You know, um, but you're right.
I mean, do I think a Republican or a conservative can get a fair trial in New York City?
I do not.
Uh Fulton County, Georgia, no, Odds are low.
Uh Washington, DC, odds are even lower.
And you know, that's why a lot of prosecutors, you know.
Look, look, there's it's just it is what it is.
I mean, it's sad it shouldn't be.
But when you you you'd you'd be denying the truth and be denying reality of the jury pool, and do I think change of venues are warranted in such cases?
I do.
I think change of venue should be used way more often than it is.
I do too.
I mean, every now and then we get a surprise like this lady who recently heard the Hunter Biden case, and you know, she is being practical.
She was actually genius yesterday.
Yeah.
I I think she saw right through this.
I think she knew that this would prevent future prosecution of Hunter.
And they they you were using obscure language in the gun aspect of it, but it would have applied to the the tax issues as well.
And she said, now will this uh allow uh uh is this an ongoing investigation or is this closed?
And at that point, a weaponized DOJ could not admit what they had pro likely, in my view, very strongly believe they had already agreed to with the defense, and that's Hunter's defense team that this would this would end all investigations.
He'd be in the clear with his sweetheart deal and no jail time.
We constantly hear about the judges too, about who appointed them, as if that is going to determine the outcome also.
I mean, it seems like there ought to be a way where a trial f especially for such a big name person like Trump or you know at the John Durham trial.
I mean, it seems to me a mistake to allow a judge who's got a built-in bias to make the ruling.
It it I I totally if we had a system that was totally fair and we had an unbiased judiciary, that would be the case.
And these prosecutors know damn well if they're in New York or Fulton County or DC, uh that the odds heavily favor them.
And we keep and by the way, and I would I uh you I'll I'll be even more blunt.
I would expect guilty verdicts for Trump in all three venues.
Oh and I think Trump and Georgia will win on appeal with with the Supreme Court that uh that is down in Georgia.
I would say that that Trump would probably win uh it has a very good chance of winning on appeal in DC.
Well and and even as a shot in New York, although it's harder.
We keep hearing about Weiss that he was appointed by Trump.
He's actually first appointed by Obama, and people don't understand that the senators of states have a say uh, usually as a courtesy by the president, and that's why Trump allowed it to continue.
Well, I have heard that from one time, one day that he Weiss worked in Obama's Department of Justice.
Every other time I hear it, it's that he was a Trump appointee.
You know, it just seems like a huge black hole in our justice system.
It's wrong.
Well, appreciate you being with us.
Thank you so much, Judy.
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