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We are in Cedar Rapids, Iowa for tonight's town hall with President Donald J. Trump.
Obviously, the big news of the day, I'm sure we'll devote a lot of time to it tonight.
This will be President Trump's first public reaction, short of the statement that he released, as it relates to the special counsel, Jack Smith, now sending him a target letter Sunday night.
And as it relates to January 6th issues, anyone ever find of any, if anyone has a spotting of Robert Hurd, the special counsel for Joe Biden, will somebody please let us know?
Because we've never heard from the guy.
You know, it's an election season when Democrats put out these crazy ads.
What do I tell you here every two and every four years?
And almost now every day, Republicans are racist.
They're sexist.
They're misogynist.
They're homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, that they want dirty air and water, and they want your grandma and grandpa to be thrown over a cliff after years of eating only dog and cat food.
That's pretty much the playbook that they have.
They've added one thing now.
They came out with a commercial.
You got two people, a man and a woman in bed, and they're getting hot and they're getting heavy in that bed.
And it looks like things are about to happen.
And then some guy that obviously is meant to be a stiff Republican is in their bedroom.
And this is what the ad says.
Sorry, you can't use those.
What are you talking about?
Who are you?
I'm your Republican congressman.
Now that we're in charge, we're banning birth control.
This is our decision, not yours.
Get out of our bedrooms.
I won the last election.
I'm not going anywhere.
I'm just going to watch and make sure you don't do anything illegal.
First of all, that is a creepy ad.
That's almost as creepy as Joe Biden nibbling on that poor little girl in Finland.
It was so creepy.
No.
There's no conservative that I know that really gives a hoot what you are doing as an adult in the privacy of your bedroom.
I don't care.
That's your life.
That's your business.
That's between you and your God.
If you believe in God, if you don't believe in God, that's between you and you.
And then you'll find out if God exists later.
And anyway, just insane.
This is how nuts they are.
There's no Republican I know or conservative I know that gives a flying rip about people and what they do in the privacy of their bedroom.
Anyway, back to the news of the day.
And one interesting reaction that caught my eye was that of Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.
He's not been a fan of President Donald Trump.
And he reacted to the news of the target letter being sent to President Trump, saying the DOJ, they better have some damn good evidence to back this up.
Listen.
Now, there's a lot of people, conservatives like me, that are frustrated by things like the New York indictment, but there's no doubt that these things are a distraction to the former president.
And I would just tell you, if I was the prosecutor bringing these charges, he better have some damn good evidence if you're going after a former president.
And we'll see as the process plays out.
But it's certainly a distraction from us beating Joe Biden.
I'll tell you what, here's the problem, though, for President Trump.
I don't think he can get a fair trial in a New York jurisdiction.
In this case, assuming he gets indicted, that this target letter turns into an indictment.
I don't think he's getting a fair trial in a city where, what, 5, 8% of the people vote Republican, where it's overwhelmingly, that overwhelmingly Democratic, kind of like New York City, 9, 10 to 1 registration, Democrats to Republicans.
He definitely can get a more fair trial down in Florida.
And yet none of this deals with the dual system of justice that we have.
Okay, where's the special counsel breathing down Biden's neck?
When are we going to find out how much money the Biden family made in foreign business deals with China, Russia, Romania, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan, and Mexico, and a dozen other countries?
When are we going to get to the bottom of that?
How did Hunter get a sweetheart deal?
How is it that in the Biden White House, they find cocaine and they only spend 10 days investigating where the cocaine came from?
God forbid it would have been anthrax.
God forbid the cocaine was laced with fentanyl, which could have, you know, put somebody into cardiac arrest if they just inhaled it for crying out loud.
And then after 10 days, we find out they didn't even interview a single person.
That sounds like equal justice under the law.
Didn't Hillary Clinton have top secret classified information on her servers?
Didn't James Comey tell us no prosecutor would prosecute?
You know, didn't she delete 33,000 emails from her servers and hard drives and destroy her devices?
Those were subpoenaed.
Didn't she buy that dirty Russian bought and paid for dossier?
Didn't the FBI send over agents in early October 2016 to determine and ascertain whether or not Christopher Steele could corroborate what he was saying in his dossier and offer him a million dollars?
Anyway, we brought in our pollsters.
Maybe they can make heads of tails of this over us.
John McLaughlin, founder of McLaughlin and Associates, Robert Cahaley with the Trafalgar Group, Insider Advantage head Matt Towery is with us, the three best pollsters by far in the country.
Welcome all of you to the show.
Great to be here.
All right, Matt Towery, I'll start with you.
Can you explain that phenomenon?
Because I can't.
Well, let me start with this, Sean.
Before I was a pollster, I was an attorney, and I actually won a capital murder case.
I know a little bit about criminal law.
The likelihood that one human being would find himself in four separate venues before it's all over with criminal charges, felony charges, in one year is a million to one.
You would have to be the head of a major criminal family, or you would have to be a killer on a three-state or four-state spree for this to happen.
So the public, who don't know the details like I might as a lawyer, they see these indictments take place all at the same time.
And particularly Republicans, their reaction is just innate.
And that is to say there's something crazy about this.
They feel like the man's being persecuted.
And as a result, it drives his numbers up, not down.
It's a simple math.
And I don't believe in the they concept that they are trying to do.
Don't know who they are, but I can say if you wanted to put together a plan to make Donald Trump the nominee, perhaps from a jail cell, okay?
But if you wanted to make him the nominee and have all the sympathy of the world of a political prisoner, you couldn't write a better criminal prosecution in all these states from the feds and from the states than you have right now.
All right, let's get your take, John McLaughlin.
I saw Donald Trump when he came back from Miami that night after he'd been arrested and indicted and humiliated by the by but he wasn't humiliated, I mean, by Biden trying to do this.
And I said to him, I said, you know, there's better ways to make the polls go up than this.
But the really, the only crime that Donald Trump has committed is he's leading Joe Biden in the polls.
And it's, we never saw this in 2016, never saw it in 2020.
We were never ahead in the national popular vote.
And there's many polls that have us ahead of the national popular vote right now.
So Biden, he's crossed the line.
He's doing what they do in communist countries.
This is something that we've never seen in America.
You indict your leading political opponent.
And by the way, you're right, exactly right, because we did a poll for the Trump campaign June 12th, and 96% of the caucus goers were aware that the Biden Justice Department indicted him.
73% said it was all about stopping Trump from running again.
They thought 62% thought that Biden had ordered the indictment of President Trump.
And they think it's unfair and unjust, 74%.
And in last month's national poll, our friend Newt Gingrich and the Trump campaign collaborated on some questions.
And 56% of all voters think there's a big difference between the way the Justice Department, the FBI treats President Trump and allegations into the Biden family and their corruption.
Only 30% says there's no difference.
So it's going across to all Americans.
They see this.
They see our country as being corrupted.
And Joe Biden is undermining democracy.
And he's trying to take Donald Trump's civil rights away because this new indictment that's coming down from the Merrick Garland appointed special counsel that probably Joe Biden blessed, they're trying to stop him from being on the ballot, not even just running.
They don't want him on the ballot.
How do they stop him from being on the ballot?
The qualifications, as I understand it, you're a natural-born citizen and that you're 35 years or older.
The 14th Amendment was based after the Civil War, that if you engage in insurrection against the United States, you can't run for office unless two-thirds of the Senate agrees.
So it's really warped.
So are you confident that this target letter is going towards, quote, insurrection?
It seems that way.
I'm not a lawyer.
Matt's a lawyer, and he may be in.
Well, let me skip over, Robert.
I won't take your time, Robert.
Matt, do you agree with that?
I think it's specious, but I think that may be what they're going after.
And the reason that would be the case, if in fact, you know, I'm a pollster.
I can't describe what people are trying to do.
Assuming that is the scenario, one reason they might do that is, as you alluded to, the presidential requirements are few and far between.
They're in the Constitution.
And moreover, when you vote for president in each state, while the name's on the ballot, you don't qualify like normally another candidate would who might be barred because they committed a felony.
You're voting for the electors.
That was the whole issue in the last election.
So if people voted for electors who wanted to vote for Donald Trump and they kept him from being president that way, well, that would be falling into their own trap.
So perhaps this particular 14th Amendment might be the only way in which they could keep Donald Trump from being able to run.
It's pretty unbelievable.
Robert Cahaley, explain the phenomenon that all these legal attacks against Donald Trump result in higher poll numbers.
Well, there's this sense of this guy is being attacked by the left.
They're all circling to attack him and no one else.
Then he must be the leader.
Conservatives are just kind of tuned in to figure out which person the left is most afraid of, which person the left is focused on.
That must be the one we need to elect.
And so they're kind of rallying around, and this is yet another attempt.
I feel like this fourth attempt is more about trying to keep him off because they keep thinking, all right, well, it's not working.
Keep putting these indictments out there.
It's only making his poll numbers go up.
So they've got to find another ulterior motive.
And they tried the same nonsense in the North Carolina race.
I believe it was for Congress.
They tired one of the guys in January 6th and said, well, he might not be eligible.
And in the end, the Election Commission voted that that was not the case.
But so this has already been attempted in the last cycle.
It's unbelievable.
All right.
So let's assume this plays out the way it is.
My next concern would be, and I'll throw this to you first, Robert.
My next concern would be, okay, people that maybe don't follow politics as closely as we all do, because no offense, but all four of us are losers, and we follow every detail of what's happening in our country every day, and we're news junkies, et cetera, et cetera.
It's just our passion.
And yet, all right, you're working on the periphery and you're following the news and, oh, Donald Trump got indicted again.
What's that all about?
Does this hurt his ability to reach some Americans that are not as focused on news the way we are?
I think that there's a penetration level of the indictments, and we have definitely penetrated average people at this point because there's been so many and so much press.
Look at we had almost OJS following him to the courthouse twice.
So I think that that has penetrated.
But this idea of trying to not allow him for running, I think is a whole new level of getting the average people upset and penetrating down in a way that they do not really understand.
I mean, they're about to get bubbled if they're not careful.
Matt, do you agree with John and Robert that this is about not having him run the 14th Amendment?
Well, as I said, I think that's a theory that sounds stronger than any other.
I have said for a couple of months now that, like I say, I don't know who the they are, but if there is a they out there, they want Donald Trump in a jail cell if they possibly can before this election takes place.
I want to point out one other thing, though, Sean.
You've alluded to something that's big with me.
You started your entire show talking about the ad that the Democrats are running right now.
I think you mentioned it earlier today.
And what I have a bone to pick with the Republicans is, where are their ads?
Where are the ads that inform these people who don't watch all of this news about what's going on in this country?
You can't wait until six months before the election to start trying to educate the electorate because by that time, every candidate has ads up and your ads aren't going to make any difference.
So while the Democrats may have had a crummy ad they did, at least they're doing something.
I think right now, look at the polls that came out today.
Most of those polls show Joe Biden defeating both DeSantis and Trump today.
Okay?
Now, they may not be the best pollsters in the world.
They may be great pollsters.
They may have a different methodology.
But this thing is not a lock.
Even with all this chaos and this disastrous economy, it's not going to be a lock for the Republicans until they get off their rear end and educate the public right now.
All right.
Well, I got to let you all go.
I don't even know how we can predict this.
It's too early, so I'm not even going to go there today.
Our pollsters, John McLaughlin, Robert Cahale, Matt Towery, thank you all for being with us.
We appreciate it.
Quick break, right back.
We'll continue.
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All right, 25 now to the top of the hour, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, tonight's town hall with President Donald J. Trump, 9 Eastern on Fox.
Set your DVR.
You're not going to want to miss this, especially in light of the big news of the day, which is, of course, that Donald Trump received Sunday night a target letter from Jack Smith regarding issues involving January 6th.
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Let me play a couple of things for you because, you know, at the heart of all of this, I think what is most challenging for people is the dual system of justice that we have discussed ad nauseum today.
And that is Hillary Clinton, top secret, classified information, honor servers, no prosecutor would prosecute, no Chappaqua home rate, no office rate, nothing.
You know, we have 33,000 subpoenaed emails.
They were washed away with bleach pit.
Then devices that might have had copies, they're destroyed with hammers and SIM cards removed.
That's what sticks in people's minds.
And of course, you can go to 2020.
And then, well, before you get there, you have, of course, Hillary Clinton's dirty Russian misinformation dossier, the one that Durham just said, in fact, was there's nothing in there that could be corroborated.
But the FBI knew that in October 2016 because they sent in early October of 2016 agents to meet with Christopher Steele and offered him a million dollars to corroborate things, and he couldn't.
He didn't collect his million.
But then, to quote, of course, Andrew McCabe, the deputy FBI director, without the dirty dossier, those four FISA warrants over the course of a year would never have happened.
And they used what they knew they could not corroborate, knew not to be true even.
And it says on the top of a FISA warrant, verified.
And all the people that signed it, three of the four were signed by James Comey.
Nothing happens to them.
And people get, you know, a little upset.
We see the same thing with the Hunter slap on the wrist.
And now we're learning so much more.
Joe Biden.
Remember, Joe Biden lied repeatedly during the campaign, saying he never once had any discussion with his son Hunter about his foreign business dealings.
Let me just remind you.
And let me also remind you: remember when Joe Biden was bragging at the Council of Foreign Relations, you know, after he leveraged a billion taxpayer dollars to get this prosecutor in Ukraine fired?
Why would a vice president leverage a billion dollars to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired?
Well, they son of a bee, they did it in six hours.
This is the tape.
Okay, this is the real quid pro quo.
I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn't.
So they said they had it, they were walking out to press concept.
No, I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars.
They said, you have no authority.
You're not the president.
The president said, I said, call him.
I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
I said, you're not getting a billion.
I'm going to be leaving here.
I think it was, what, six hours?
I looked at it.
I'm leaving in six hours.
If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money.
Oh, son of a bot fired.
And they put in place someone who was solid.
Wow.
Billion dollars.
Son of a B, they did it.
And then what happened?
Well, we now know that the prosecutor was also investigating not only Burisma Holdings, but we're investigating his son Hunter, who goes on Good Morning America and admits he has no experience in oil, gas, coal, or Ukraine, none at all.
And here's him admitting all of that.
Here's the whole interview.
I want to get to the heart of it.
Did you and your father ever discuss Ukraine?
No.
As I said, the only time it was after a news account, it wasn't a discussion in any way.
There's no but to this.
No, we never did.
Your dad said, I hope you know what you're doing.
I hope you know what you're doing.
I do.
And I said, I do.
And that was literally the end of our discussion.
Why?
Because my dad was vice president of the United States.
There's literally nothing as a young man or as a full-grown adult that my father, in some way, hasn't had influence over.
It does not serve either one of us.
When he said, I hope you know what you're doing, what did he think you were doing?
Well, he read the press reports that I joined the board of Burisma, which was a Ukrainian natural gas company.
And there's been a lot of misinformation about me, not about my dad.
Nobody buys that, but it buys this idea that I was unqualified to be on the board.
What were your qualifications to be on the board of Burisma?
Well, I was vice chairman of the board of Amtrak for five years.
I was the chairman of the board of the UN World Food Program.
I was a lawyer for Boyce Schiller-Flexner, one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
You didn't have any extensive knowledge about natural gas or Ukraine itself, though.
No.
But I think that I had as much knowledge as anybody else that was on the board, if not more.
In the list that you gave me of the reasons why you're on that board, you did not list the fact that you were the son of the vice president of the day.
What role do you think that played?
I think that it is impossible for me to be on any of the boards that I just mentioned without saying that I'm the son of the vice president of the United States.
You were paid $50,000 a month for your position?
Look, I'm a private citizen.
One thing that I don't have to do is sit here and open my kimono as it relates to how much money I make or make or did or didn't.
But it's all been reported.
If your last name wasn't Biden, do you think you would have been asked to be on the board of Burisma?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Probably not.
I don't think that there's a lot of things that would have happened in my life if my last name wasn't Biden.
Why did you leave the board in April?
It's a five-year term.
And you chose not to.
Why?
I think it's pretty obvious why.
This is your opportunity to say why.
Well, because this is what becomes a distraction, because I have to sit here and answer these questions.
And so that's why I've committed that I won't serve on any boards or I won't work directly for any foreign entities when my dad becomes president.
Do you think that should be a rule across the board for any administration?
No.
Look, that's the rule that I'm going to adhere to.
Do you regret being on the board to begin with?
No, I don't regret being on the board.
What I regret is not taking into account that there would be a Rudy Giuliani and a president of the United States that would be listening to this ridiculous conspiracy idea, which has, again, been completely debunked by everyone.
I think people at home are thinking, how could that not have crossed your mind or you wouldn't have felt just a little bit in your gut?
Like, maybe this isn't a good idea to go and sit on the board of this Canadian company.
I said to you, in retrospect, I was up my judgment.
You never thought this might not look right.
You know what?
I'm a human.
And you know what?
Did I make a mistake?
Well, maybe in the grand scheme of things, yeah.
But did I make a mistake based upon some ethical lapse?
Absolutely not.
The president has repeatedly said that you received $1.5 billion from China despite no experience and for no apparent reason.
Obviously, fact-checkers have said that that is not true.
Look, this literally has no basis in fact in any way.
Have you received any money from that business dealing?
No.
At all?
Not one cent.
Not one cent.
Definitely not $1.5 billion.
It's crazy.
They feel like they have the license to go out and say whatever they want.
It feels to me like living in some kind of Alice in Wonderland where you're up on the real world and then you fall down the rabbit hole and the president's a Cheshire cat asking you questions about crazy things that don't bear any resemblance to the reality of anything that has to do with me.
And so here's the answer.
No one ever paid me $1.5 billion.
And if they had, I would not be doing this interview right now.
We saw you in those photos getting off of Air Force 2 with your daughter, with your father.
I was everywhere with my dad.
And I went there because my daughter was on the trip too.
Did you talk about China or your deal with China?
No.
A 12-hour flight over.
No, no, of course not.
That never came up.
No.
Your father did shake hands with Mr. Lee, though, correct, in the lobby of that hotel?
I don't remember, but probably, yeah, I hope so.
I hope he did.
He was my friend.
Jonathan Lee.
Yeah, for almost 13 years.
He was your friend and your business partner.
I understand.
Totally, Amy.
Whether I'm in New York or whether I'm in Washington, D.C., a friend and a business associate is in the hotel, and my dad's sitting there.
Is it inappropriate for me to have coffee with them?
So that meeting was not a mistake.
It was not on Apple.
100% not.
No.
What do you say to people who believe this is exactly why people hate Washington?
A vice president's son can make money in countries where your father is doing official government.
Well, I don't know what to tell you.
I made a mistake in retrospect as it related to creating any perception that was wrong.
And so, therefore, I'm taking it off the table.
And I'm making that commitment.
Let's see if anybody else makes that commitment, but that's the commitment that I'm making.
No, in retrospect, look, I think that it was poor judgment on my part.
Is that I think that it was poor judgment because I don't believe now when I look back on it.
I know that there was nothing wrong at all.
However, was it poor judgment to be in the middle of something that is a it's a it's a swamp in in in many ways?
Yeah, and so I take I take um full responsibility for that.
Do I did I do anything improper?
No, not in any way, not in any way whatsoever.
I joined the board, I served honorably, I did I focused on corporate governance.
I didn't have any discussions with my father before or after I joined the board as it relates to it, other than that brief exchange that we had.
All right, let me, I want to play for you here.
Kevin McCarthy actually put out a really good video.
Uh, it's kind of like a tutorial even about the Biden family syndicate business dealings.
Uh, and it was being shown at a closed-door House GOP hearing, uh, and I want you to hear it.
Vice President Biden, there have been questions about the work your son has done in China and for a Ukrainian energy company when you were vice president.
In retrospect, was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical?
Nothing was unethical.
President Biden's brother and son are both under investigation.
Officials are looking into their business dealings overseas.
My God, President Biden's business associate sent over a million dollars to three of their family members, and he's asking to buy the court.
That's not true.
My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, China?
CBS News has learned that more than 150 transactions involving either Hunter or James Biden's global business affairs were flagged as concerning by U.S. banks for further review.
Some of those concerns included large wire transfers.
The most comprehensive statement we have is from the White House chief of staff, and that was earlier this week.
And he said that the president is confident his family did the right thing, adding these actions by Hunter and James are private matters and don't involve the president.
Gary Shapley has been at the IRS for 14 years and told us that the way the Hunter-Biden investigation was conducted was, in his words, quote, outside the norm.
I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses.
Period.
RC Biden, how involved were you in your son's Chinese shakedown text message?
Were you sitting there?
Were you involved?
Were you?
No.
Shapley, who is still working for the IRS, told us that even before President Biden took office, he was directed to avoid leads involving Hunter's father.
I'm honest.
There were certain investigative steps that we weren't allowed to take that could have led us to President Biden.
And you wanted to take them.
We needed to take them.
And you weren't allowed to take them.
That's correct.
Anyway, unbelievable.
Let's get a couple of calls in here.
Let's say hi to Tim in Ohio.
What's up, Tim?
How are you?
Wish you were here with us in Iowa.
Big time Sean Hennity.
Thanks for taking my call.
What's going on, my friend?
How are you?
Doing good.
Calling from the Queen City, met you about 20 years ago at a book signing in the Hennedy and Combs days.
Thanks for doing what you're doing.
Thank you.
Oh, man.
Thank you for your support all these years.
Thanks for sticking with me.
You could have fired me a long time ago.
I'm glad you didn't.
So two points kind of tied together.
Just first on your show last night, you had Ari Flasher, and he made a good point that I thought you glossed over a little bit in saying that the Secret Service, you know, their job is to protect the president and his family.
And that's exactly what they're doing with this whole cocaine issue.
And that's what they're going to keep doing.
And it's not a criminal issue, at least in their mind.
It's a political issue.
And it's just going to go the same way that they've been doing with all the things you just mentioned with Hillary Clinton, the Bidens and their family, and everybody else.
And so I think that time is a shift in narrative and get Ari back on and have him go into that a little bit more in detail and talk about the political game that these guys are playing and not the criminal aspects, which they're guilty of, but need to be held accountable for that on the political game.
Imagine if cocaine was found in the Trump White House.
You think that investigation ends in 10 days without a single interview?
Think it's possible?
I don't.
Definitely not.
This is now why this is what Jim Jordan is doing in the House Judiciary Committee.
Is the FBI politicized and weaponized?
Is the DOJ politicized and weaponized?
Because if it is, that means we don't have equal justice and application of our laws.
Every American should be angry at all of this.
This is not a hard case to make here.
All right, that's going to wrap things up from beautiful Cedar Rapids, Iowa, our town hall, Nine Eastern tonight.
Please set your DV.
By the way, you should set it every night.
I hope you said it every night so you watch every night.
Anyway, 9 Eastern on Fox, on the Fox News channel, from Cedar Rapids with Donald J. Trump.
Obviously, the big news of the day, the target letter he received on Sunday.
He announced it today.
That's all coming up.
We'll get his response to all of that and the other news of the day, the 2024 campaign and all the other important issues of our time.
Nine Eastern tonight.
Hope you'll join us.
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See you tonight.
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