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Pence 2024 - June 8th, Hour 2
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The former Vice President of the United States, longtime friend of the show, uh Mike Pence is back with us.
Sir, how are you?
Uh Sean Hannity, we're doing great.
I'm speaking to you from the great state of Iowa, getting ready to get on a plane and head to New Hampshire.
Here in Iowa yesterday, we announced our intention to seek the Republican nomination for President of the United States, and we've just been uh we've been truly humbled uh and inspired by the outpouring of support and encouragement from around the country, but it's great to talk to you.
You know, it's it's interesting in the course of these primaries, and then this is not my first rodeo, and it's not your first rodeo, is for some reason I think people have this Pollyanish view that when it comes to a primary that people think it's gonna be all, you know, sunshine, rainbows, and cotton candy, and at the at some point in the process, it usually becomes a a blood sport bloody brawl between candidates because there's so much at stake.
And um I don't I'm not sure why people have this perception that that that this year is going to be any different or would be any different because it's just not facing reality.
Well, that's a look, elections are about choices, and uh in my announcement speech yesterday here in Des Moines uh Iowa, we we introduced ourselves.
Karen and I both did to the country.
Because you know, one of the things I've concluded is that I I'm well known, but we're not we're not known well.
I don't I don't think people know just how long uh I've been I've been leading in the conservative movement.
You and I know each other back when I was a I was leading House conservatives battling against the big spenders in our own party.
I went home to Indiana where we we cut taxes, achieved record employment, and doubled uh the educational choice program, and then of course, all the years as vice president where I stood loyally by President Donald Trump.
We built a record that I'm proud of.
Some in this field are already criticizing the record of the Trump Pence administration, but I tell you, uh I'm I'm proud of all that we accomplished in all of those years.
Uh I stood loyally by the president, as you know, up until uh my oath to the Constitution required me to do otherwise.
We yesterday in my announcement speech, I also talked Sean about that day, uh about my stand on the Constitution of the United States.
I'll always believe that we did our duty uh on that fateful day of January 6th.
But also, you know, I really do think there's a important debate happening within the Republican Party today, whether or not we're gonna continue to be a leader of the free world, the arsenal democracy, whether we're gonna deal with the debt crisis facing our children and grandchildren with fiscal responsibility and reform, and ultimately whether we're gonna stand firm uh on the right to life.
Those are all things that have defined my career.
There are other voices in our party today that are moving away from those issues, and that's gonna be a worthy debate going forward in this primary.
Let me ask you about that, because I I think it has played a part in a lot of campaigns, the issue of abortion and Roe v.
Wade being overturned and and then the states now have the jurisdiction, which is something I believe should have been the case from the beginning.
I al I always believe Roe is bad law and that it would always be a state issue.
However, I do look at a a certain political reality.
I'll give you one example I'll give you a couple examples.
One is the case of uh Mastriano running in Pennsylvania.
Now Shapiro as a non incumbent won by the largest percentage for the governorship in that state since the early nineteen forties and Maastriano was a guy that had no exceptions for rape incest or the mother's life.
A neighboring state of yours uh in Michigan, you know, the issue of abortion was on the ballot there.
And and I would argue Tudor Dixon who I like a lot um that that hurt her in her campaign.
Um and you know so I think the Republican Party is looking at at two separate issues in the pro-life community is looking at two separate issues.
And that is, you know, I is there is there any middle ground at all?
What is your full position on the issue?
Because I think you do get to a point where you you're gonna lose a big percentage of the voting electorate if you're a hundred percent pro-life and you don't make exceptions for rape incest of the mother's life for example.
Well Sean first you you know me a long time you know I'm pro-life I don't apologize for it but you know as you could check by the way nor should you right thank night and I I can't tell you I'm one of the millions of people out there that appreciates uh the way you've championed life throughout your career uh on the airwaves of America.
But let me say you you check my record I've always been a consistent supporter of the exceptions for rape incest life of the mother.
But on on this question to me it there's really twofold.
Number one, the the Supreme Court didn't return the question of abortion just to the states.
They returned it to the states and the American people.
And while I've been pleased to see states like Indiana and Texas and other states around the country advance pro-life legislation, and we'll always support that in state capitals, ultimately the American people elect presidents.
We elect senators and congressmen.
And for my part, I would support efforts at the national level, if perhaps even like Lindsey Graham suggested, creating a minimum threshold of 15 weeks that would more align the United States States law to the European Union.
You know the the average uh you know time limit on abortions the cutoff is somewhere between twelve and fifteen weeks for all the European countries we we allow abortion on demand all the way up to the moment of birth that's the position of the Democratic Party and Joe Biden and the radical left that's more in line with Iran and China and North Korea today.
So I I would just tell you if I have the great privilege of being president of the United States of America I'll hold to the views I've always held I'll recognize I'll recognize those exceptions and tragic circumstances but I gotta tell you I'll I'll look for every effort to advance the cause of the unborn at the state and at the national level.
I think the cause of our movement the cause of America today is the cause of life.
So just to be clear like the Dobbs decision uh that was the Mississippi case in that state uh they looked at 15 weeks other people look at the first trimester to be the limit you know I I rarely quote Democrats but I'll quote Bill Clinton legal but rare and maybe add a word early does that sound right to you no it look I I I'm pro-life I I believe that that life begins at conception.
So well then what what did you mean by what you would do at the federal level then maybe I misunderstood well I said when I if I was president of the United States I'd support uh Senator Graham's bill the 15 week limit but I also want to celebrate the heartbeat bill uh that uh Governor Brian Kemp signed and then won reelection by uh decisive margin that Governor Mike DeWine signed and then won re-election by twenty points.
That's the only thing I would I would encourage all of your listeners to reflect on.
Look Democrats made abortion a major issue in the midterm elections.
But I'm standing here in the state of Iowa and I could tell you for the first time in history the entire congressional delegation from Iowa the senators and House members are Republicans.
And and a congressman by the name of Zach was elected here in a Des Moines district.
It was a Democrat district.
He beat an incumbent Democrat.
The only issue she ran on was abortion.
He went on television and stood on principle and with compassion and surrounded himself with his eight or nine children and his beautiful family, and he won the election.
Look, I think when we stand without apology for the right to life, and when we say that we are committed to restoring the sanctity of life to the center of American law, but we marry that to compassion, uh, as Congressman Zach Nunn did, as other candidates around the country did.
I think we can win great victories for life.
But I I will tell you, I'll I'll never rest, I'll never relent until the day comes uh that I either go home to be with the Lord or that we restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law in every state.
Well, one of our partners here on the radio show is a group called Pre-Born, and they offer free ultrasounds to any expecting uh woman.
And what they're finding is when you by using this the new science of ultrasound, which is 4D, and you can see images of fingers and toes and facial features and hear a heartbeat.
I mean, they're having a dramatic impact on changing people's hearts, and then they offer alternatives and and free counseling and diapers and baby formula and whatever these these moms need after the birth.
Um and I and and to me that's always going to be where the best work is going to be done on the heart.
Let me ask you this.
As you now enter this this is, I think the progress made has been a big part of that.
It's been crisis pregnancy centers around the country have have come alongside women uh facing unplanned pregnancies and difficult circumstances, and whether it's ultrasound or counseling or prayer, uh they've been winning hearts and minds.
And I think I think it set the stage for the extraordinary victory for life that we're you know, I was friends with with the you know, since uh deceased Reverend Jerry Falwell, who started Liberty University, and I never knew one day I was speaking there on campus, and and there were he has uh literally he offers uh expecting moms,
unplanned pregnancies, a free education, free housing, you know, takes care of all of their medical needs, and and he did that all throughout his ministry, which I thought was a pretty amazing thing that nobody ever knew about him.
Um let me ask you this.
Look, I I understand that that during primaries things get contentious, and I and I know that in pretty much every interview that you're doing, and I've been following them, you know, people just want to talk about you and Donald Trump and Donald Trump and you.
Um I I fear at times in primaries, Republicans lose focus of the fact that right now Democrats have been running this country into the ground.
Um frankly, we have a president that I'm fairly convinced doesn't know that today's Thursday, and I watch, you know, on the on the world stage, China, Russia, Iran, and their alignment, North Korea, um, and I see China on the move like never before, showing one hostile action after America uh to America after another.
I see the same thing with Vladimir Putin.
Uh I see Joe Biden is, you know, you can you can spy on our country with a spy balloon, you can shoot down a drone and nothing happens.
Um that scares me.
I look at, you know, 40-year high of inflation, I look at energy prices, that scares me.
I look at the average homeowner now, uh the average American worker, two-thirds of them living paycheck to paycheck.
That scares me.
Uh these are very troubled times to me.
They are, and it's you know, the reason that we made the decision to enter this race uh is is not to do with the Republican field, is because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.
People can go to Mike Pence 2024.com and take a look at my announcement speech, or they can check reports online and and they'll see the first thing I did out of the gate was talk about my family, my Irish immigrant grandfather and and my combat veteran dad and first generation Irish American mom.
I talked about the kids we've raised, two of whose families are serving in the armed forces of the United States today.
And then I turned the page and I talked about Joe Biden because Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad.
I said all the crises that America is facing today are man-made, and that man's name is Joe Biden.
And I promise you, as we go forward, look, we'll have a spirited campaign uh in this primary.
But uh I agree with you whole cloth.
I will we will never lose sight uh of uh of the the objective here is to make sure that Joe Biden is never re-elected as president of the United States, and uh and we're gonna take that case to the four corners of this country.
Listen, that to me is at the end of the day is what it's gonna be about.
Um we can't ignore, you know, it it is very interesting because you've always said to me in every interview we've done post your vice presidency, you know, how proud you are of the Trump Pence record.
Um yet you find yourself at at odds now with with President Trump um in this primary.
Um and I don't want to I don't want to harp on it like it with every other interview, but more specifically, I mean, you see, you know, that we're like on indictment watch constantly, you know, in this case with the special counsel, and you know, when I look at the case down at Mar-a-Lago and I compare it to Hillary Clinton and top secret classified information she have uh she had or obstruction with the deleted thirty-three thousand emails and the destruction of of iPhones and BlackBerries and with hammers,
uh, and you see four separate locations that Joe Biden had classified and top secret information.
No rate on any of them.
I I really fear that we don't have equal justice or application of our laws, and I wanted to get your thoughts on that particular aspect of it.
You found apparently a document or two in your home.
You handed it over voluntarily.
I give you a lot of credit for that, and uh that seems to be the end of it for you, thankfully.
Well, Sean, for me, you know, look, uh I I I uh those classified documents had no business being at our house.
We did closed it voluntarily.
Uh and and I was pleased uh that the Justice Department last week uh determined that that was an innocent mistake, but it was a mistake.
Uh but I have to tell you the contrary.
This whole question of of uh of equal treatment under the law is at the very heart of our system of justice.
But confidence in that has been eroded by but the the the treatment that Hillary Clinton got, the uh the unprecedented search warrant at the home of a former president of the United States.
Uh and quite frankly, in my own circumstances, when we alerted the the Justice Department uh that we had found documents that inadvertently had been transferred back to my home in Indiana, the FBI was on my front doorstep the next day.
Uh what press has reported is that it took eighty days for the FBI to go to the office of the residence of President Joe Biden.
Now that doesn't sound like equal treatment in the law to me.
So look, I as I I know we're on uh the you know there's there's press reports about the possibility of indictment, but I've said I hope it would not come to that.
I mean, I don't know the facts of the case.
But after years where we've seen politicization at the Department of Justice, confirmed now by the Durham report that's that found that the Russia hoax investigation should never even have been begun.
Uh I I I I really do hope uh that uh that it doesn't come to an indictment.
Now look, no one's above the law, but if the Department of Justice brings charges against former president of the United States, I hope that it would meet the high threshold uh necessary to justify to the American people an unprecedented uh indictment of a former president.
I I would bet it's gonna end up being a process crime, but I'm very cynical at this point in my life, especially after what we know the FBI pre-bunking uh Hunter Biden's laptop in 2020.
Uh I know we have we're working on a town hall with you.
We look forward to it and and spending time with you.
Uh Vice President Pence, thank you for being with us as always.
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Uh all right, let's uh let us get to our busy phones.
Andrew is in West Virginia.
What's going on, sir?
Hey, Sean, how are you?
I'm good.
What is the guy?
How's the song?
Blue Ridge Mountain.
Take me home, yes, sir.
Take me home, country road.
Shenandoah River.
What's going on?
Um I was thinking about Mayor Adams and the statement he made regarding taking illegals into Gracie Mansion to I am all for it.
I think it's a great idea, generous offer.
I'm just trying to get the square footage of Gracie Mansion and figure out how many square foot feet they can actually fit in there.
I I would take out the these it's very ornate.
I mean, Gracie's mansion, I mean, it's like a palace.
And if they took out that massive, huge pretentious dining room and and took out, you know, all of the expensive furniture and all the I don't know, you could leave the paintings up.
I'm sure that maybe the illegal immigrants, maybe in their spare time, would would love to see portraits of past mayors in New York hanging on the wall.
Um, and you know, just find as the maximum amount of square footage available so we can house as many illegal immigrants in Gracie Mansion with Eric Adams as possible.
And by the way, I would imagine, you know, he only need you know, he doesn't have to put him in his bed.
I would give him the privacy of his own bed.
Um, but certainly around the perimeter of the room, you could fit, you know, sleeping bags and tents and things like that.
I mean, this is a big place.
Well, it is a good idea from a PR standpoint, I guess, but I can't understand or I I refuse to believe, let's put it that way, that the MYPD would let anybody just, you know, have them go down to Penn Station.
Well, why would they let anybody walk around the streets of New York that we have no background check on?
I mean, we know that a lot of people on the terror watch list have attempted to cross that border that we've caught.
We have no idea how many people on that list maybe made it through.
Um, so I mean, basically he would be getting the same treatment as all the people in Texas and all the other border towns in the country, right?
Well, that's where I'm going.
I I don't think MYPD would let him just house anybody without having them have a background check and the regular people.
Well, that that that's not fair to the people of Texas.
I'm all about fairness.
I want everybody to be treated equally in in this woke world we live in.
And if Eric Adams supports illegal immigration, he ought to be willing to open his doors, invite in as many illegal immigrants as possible with no background checks, no health checks, uh, no check of whether or not they're they're financially able to take care of themselves.
I'm sure he can use part of his salary to feed them and house them, and I'm sure he could share his shower.
He's not using a shower all day.
You know, whatever he's got there.
Long as he isn't giving the bill for the background checks to uh New York taxpayers, because you all pay enough as it is.
I I you know what?
All for it, absolutely.
But it's well, I hate to tell you the amount of money is real, and speaking of New York, um, they just got a bill at uh I'm sorry, they just got a check from FEMA for a hundred and four point six million dollars.
So uh this is not exactly charity from Eric Adams' part.
This is our money that is paying for the illegal immigrant crisis created by well, the likes of him and Joe Biden and Kamala, the border czar, the great border.
She's a great border czar.
She's done such a good job.
I'm so proud of her.
She's been down there so often.
She really has she really has her pulse on on what's going on down at the border.
Seems to, yes.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
God bless you.
Wait, I gotta I gotta make a point.
I want to I want to bring us up.
You gotta make a point.
I gotta tell you something.
So Ethan Katie and I had a conversation yesterday.
You want to give homage to the Caller.
You know, I like to pay homage as often as possible.
You know, in the French or British or American pronunciations of that word.
There are, you know, it does just a variety.
Why not use them all in one sentence?
In any event, uh, we were talking yesterday about the cost of the migrants to people that they would stay with.
And Ethan and Katie and I were like, you know what's really weird about this is that they're getting paid to take these migrants in.
But the people that take the migrants in, let's say they get $40 a night, they take in however many migrants.
They can make over a hundred thousand dollars a year not working, housing migrants.
But if they take in children, we're not screening the people that are taking them in.
So we could literally be paying pedophile to take children in and then sex trafficking.
Well, there you go again.
They see you want to treat people differently.
You want to give them background checks.
That's not fair.
I want to give the New Yorkers the background check.
I don't want to I don't want to back contact the migrants.
They're fine.
They look good.
Bring them on in.
I don't think anybody should get a background check.
Why bother?
That would be called security.
You're right.
I've lost my mind.
Why pay homage to the system that saved us for so long?
Tom in Connecticut.
Tom, how are you?
Hi, Sean.
Thanks for taking my club.
Yes, sir.
Glad you called.
I just want to give you some of my thoughts on uh the Jersey whale diving into the campaign and then uh get a little bit of your feedback on it.
All right, be nice here.
Be nice, be nice.
I think I know who you're talking about.
But anyway, you want to talk about former governor Christie.
Yes.
Um I think with some of the baggage he has, I don't want to spend too much time on Bridge Gate because um that was, you know.
Well, Bridgegate, if my if my memory serves me right, it ended it resulted in a conviction that resulted in it being overturned, so officially nobody was you know found guilty of what was alleged at the time.
Um as far as I'm concerned, yeah, still looked fishy to me.
He was never himself charged.
Um and then, of course, we have um, you know, closing beaches, but you know, there's plenty of room for him to have a private beach for himself after he shut it down.
Then of course we have the great hug.
Who could ever forget the hug moment after Hurricane Sandy?
Uh that, you know, of of Barack Obama.
Listen, uh, here's the thing about Christie.
Tell me what he's running on.
He's running on I hate Donald Trump.
I'm gonna bludgeon Donald Trump.
Donald Trump's afraid of me.
Donald Trump won't debate me.
Well, if you can't get five percent in the polls, you don't deserve to be debated, period.
Yep, I'm in full agreement with that.
And yes, like what you said on the Jersey short during the pandemic, right?
Um, everything was shut down.
You couldn't go to school, you couldn't go to the parks, you couldn't go to the beaches.
And then uh there he is out there with his pod laying out there without a care in the world.
Um, people couldn't even have decent funerals or wakes.
And um, so I mean that's a clear that's the clearest example I've ever seen is you know, good for thee, but not for me.
I mean, i if he really runs and it gets serious, can you imagine commercials and billboards across the country with him laying out on the beach during the pandemic?
Uh um no, I really can't imagine that, but I'm sure it would be in a lot of campaign ads.
I don't think there's any doubt about that.
But look, here's the deal.
He's not going anywhere.
He's being funded by never Trumpers.
That's it.
So this is his moment to act like he is, you know, all uh to be honest, the level of sanctimony and phoniness in this is just repulsive to me.
This is the guy I think that recommended Chris Ray.
Thank you very much, Chris Christie.
Great job.
Uh and you know, look, I when you see somebody has an agenda that is not if you're running for office, like I'll give you an example.
I think Vivek Ramaswamy.
I never really knew Vivek Ramaswamy.
I kind of like him.
And I think he's running because he loves his country and he's he's got bold ideas.
He's willing to throw himself into the arena.
Um, he knows his odds are low.
He's still gonna try anyway.
Uh uh, okay, I'm willing to talk to him.
Tim Scott, you know what?
Is his background, his story, his life story is amazing.
I want to talk to him too.
Um, you know, I don't know the North Dakota governor, but he seems like a pretty good guy from everything I've been reading about him.
I'll put him on.
We'll hear his points of view.
He's not gonna be president.
Um Nikki Haley, okay, a little more well known, but uh I think it's gonna be a a heavy lift for her to get over the finish line.
You know, right now it seems like uh a very solid number one Donald Trump in the lead who is facing all sorts of of criminal investigations.
Uh what impact it ultimately has on all this, none of us know.
And and we'll just see.
Anyway, Tom, appreciate it, buddy.
Quick break right back to our phones, 800-941 Sean, our number if you want to be a part of the program.
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Back to our busy phones.
Chris, North Carolina.
Chris, how are you?
Hey, buddy.
Thank you.
How are you doing?
I'm good, man.
What's going on?
Real real quick.
RFK Jr., I thought that he was just another freak, Lib until I saw the video of him at the border.
And he was blistering by.
I mean, blistering is you know what.
And so I'm thinking, what happens if he everybody's saying he doesn't have a chance to primary Biden.
But if he primaries Biden as a moderate, I'm scared that Trump or who whoever is going to lose a bunch of moderates or a bunch of uh independents.
Uh so I've got a theory that and uh and it's anecdotal.
It's not just pulled out of thin air.
Um, but I've talked to enough Democrats to know none of them want Biden on the ticket in 2024.
So my guess is there's going to be some major push.
Maybe behind the scenes, maybe things we'll never know or hear about to get Biden off the ticket.
And with RFK Jr. pulling 21% against uh sitting president, and I mean speaks volumes for Mary Ann Williamson to be pulling nearly 10% speaks volumes about how Democrats don't want this guy.
So, you know, you know, um so I've got this interview.
We're out in California with Gavin Newsom, and I have a theory that Democrats want Gavin Newsom to be their their nominee.
That's my theory.
I can't prove it.
Um it's a theory, it's not law.
It's just in my mind, that's where they're headed.
So we're we're gonna talk about that and issues and you know, the great divide that exists between conservatism and liberalism, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, red and blue.
Um, I'm not here to harangue him.
I'm not here to, you know, be Caitlin Collins and uh interrupt him every five seconds.
I'm gonna let him explain his views.
I'm gonna say, okay, well, that these are your policies, here are the consequences.
Tell me why you support it.
California, he has nothing.
Nothing, zero, nada, nothing to run on.
Newsom has nothing good or positive to run on.
If if you're a climate alarmist cultist, religious cult member, he has a lot to run on.
They love him, you know, and he's he's he's he's right out of central casting if you're looking for an a politician.
Right out of central casting.
And I would not be surprised if a lot of high money Democrats get behind him and say, challenge Biden.
And he might just do it.
He said he wouldn't, but he might say, you know what, the circumstances have changed.
He's not in a very good shape.
He can't even get up when he falls down again and again.
And you know what?
This is not good for the country, and it's not good for the party.
I can see that happening.
Do you think I'm wrong?
Um, no, no, not not uh not necessarily I do not, but I think if they do, that'd be the best thing in the world for us.
Because I don't believe that any independent with a thumbnail's worth of brains is gonna vote for Gavin Newsom.
I'm definitely I disagree I disagree with you.
I think he'd get a lot of votes.
New York, done deal.
He'll win New York.
New Jersey, he'll probably win New Jersey too.
Pennsylvania, he's gonna have a harder time.
Um Wisconsin, he'll have a harder time.
Michigan, I don't know, God only knows what's going on in Michigan.
Anyway, my friend, appreciate it.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
John is in Long Island.
John, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, sure.
I thought uh uh listened to you yesterday.
I heard you're talking about the uh funeral, and I was laughing because I can You're talking about my potential funeral, what's in my will, yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, my daughter loves this topic.
She she really every time daddy brings it up, it is not a good moment.
Oh, I don't I don't understand why.
Born and raised school, Catholic school my whole life.
The last great party that I went to was uh was my uh was my best friend's funeral.
And it's just the way that the Irish look at it.
We uh I I have Well, but there's uh listen, I've been to enough Irish funerals to to know from personal experience.
I mean, it gets a little weird, because you know, one minute ha the room is bursting out In laughter, and the next minute everyone, you know, they're all crying, you know, or rubbing the face of the dead body in the casket that's laying out there, which just freaks me out.
And you know, so but you know, look, I've I'm just being honest.
I look at my life as a gift.
I look at and I look at whatever success that all of you in this audience has given me and and on TV, the same thing, as an undeserved life.
And I that's why I'm like, I don't cry at my funeral.
Celebrate my life.
You know, that it that this shouldn't have happened to me.
It's it just it was not in the cards.
Um, and you know, at the end of the day, we're all God's children, and he calls us home, and I believe with all my heart, mind, and soul that there is a an afterlife.
By the way, I was surprised Arnold Schwarzenegger does not believe in one.
I've read that this week.
I was really surprised.
He thinks you're dead, you're dead, you're six feet under, and that's the end.
I don't believe that.
I believe that you know, we're mind, body, and spirit, and that you know, where you die at this moment in life, and that if you believe in the salvation that was offered in my faith, Christianity, you know, that in my father let not your heart be troubled, and my father's house are many mansions, and I go there to prepare a place for you.
That's my favorite biblical verse.
That's what I believe.
You don't believe it?
I don't really give a hoot.
That's up to you.
I'm not here to, I'm not a preacher.
I'm not here to proselytize or indoctrinate.
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