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Fight for Taiwan - April 10th, Hour 3
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Um looking at the front cover of the Drudge Report right now.
It's got a picture of China State Television showing their war plans uh and and how China is ready to fight and have a showdown with the U.S. Navy.
Uh and by the way, echoing the comments of President Qi saying that China is now preparing for war, uh, I guess that means against the United States.
Uh my question is, what is Joe going to do?
Because I think the answer is going to be nothing.
That's what I think.
Uh General Milley made the comments that China China's military believes war with the U.S. is inevitable.
Listen.
In my analysis of China, is that uh at least their military and perhaps others have come to some sort of conclusion that war with the United States is inevitable.
I don't believe war is inevitable.
I don't think it's imminent.
Um but I do think that we need to be very, very pragmatic and cautious going forward, and we will reduce the likelihood of war if we remain really, really strong relative to China, and China knows that we have the world to use it uh if necessary.
Pretty scary scenario.
Mike McCall, uh Congressman, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair, saying that sending troops to Taiwan is on the table.
If this is about invading Taiwan or what uh President Xi calls reunification, we know it's anything but, but listen.
So Speaker McCarthy and yourself have said that multiple times now that we need to arm Taiwan now before there's any sort of invasion.
What about U.S. troops?
I think you know, then you're talking about um an authorized use of military force that would come out of my committee or a declaration of war, which we haven't used since World War II.
Would you support that?
I think if uh if if China, communist China invades Taiwan, uh I think that is um certainly if the American people support this, uh the Congress will follow.
So you're saying that the option to authorize war powers is on the table.
If communist China invaded Taiwan, it would certainly be uh on the table and and something that would be discussed by Congress uh and with the American people.
Are they prepared to do this?
Is Taiwan worth it?
Uh, I can argue for a lot of reasons why it is.
Okay, now this goes to what I call the new axis of evil, and that is China aligning with Russia, uh aligning with Iran.
I'm sure North Korea will soon be a part of the mix.
Uh the Saudis watching America abdicating uh their role as the leader in the free world uh and doing nothing when a Chinese spy balloon is allowed to fly over Alaskan airspace, uh down the West Coast to Canada, into Idaho,
straight across uh the country and to right over our military installations around the country, uh including Montana, where our ICBM missile sites are, and down to Missouri and and and Kansas and Kentucky and then the Carolinas, then they they finally shoot it down after it's you know out out at sea.
Well, we didn't want to shoot it down over America, but then you know, we have three other shoot downs of unidentified objects.
They still have never told us what they shot down.
Anyway, Gordon Chang uh joins us, by the way, his uh Twitter handle is at Gordon G. Chang.
Uh if you're on Twitter, he's the author of the coming collapse of China, the great U.S. China Tech War, uh, and he has talked about how China is simulated precision strikes against T key targets on Taiwan and its surrounding waters.
Well, uh Gor Gordon, we've been watching almost on a regular basis, the the communist Chinese flying over Taiwan airspace with their fighter jets, and and nobody's lifted a finger to stop it, and nobody did a thing about the Chinese spy balloon, and nobody did anything about Russia taking down a drone.
I would expect that the U.S. will not be sending troops over to Taiwan and that they will walk in and probably be a far more successful than Russia has been in Ukraine.
Yes, and that's the real concern, Sean.
Um, because Taiwan, after the collapse in Afghanistan, they're just uh catastrophic withdrawal, after the failure to deter Russia and Ukraine, Taiwan has actually become the test of American credibility and resolve around the world.
It's not just in East Asia, it's all of our alliances.
Everybody is looking at what we're going to do.
And you have outlined all of those things where the Biden administration has completely failed.
And therefore Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin think they can do what they want.
Just utter disregard.
The the Chinese when they flew that large spy balloon over the United States and Canada, they had utter disrespect for the Biden administration.
And we can see this in so many other places as well.
What do you think China's plans are?
I think their territorial ambitions are very clear and that they call it reunification.
You and I would call it a hostile takeover, an invasion of a sovereign country Taiwan yet they've been very hostile to the U.S. lecturing uh American elected officials about even visiting Taiwan, lecturing the current Speaker of the House with meeting with the the Taiwanese president,
even in California openly hostile you know, statements that China's ready to fight and showing their war plan clearly against the U.S. and and proudly boasting about a showdown with our Navy in the South China Sea.
Well their ambitions are and they've been very clear about it.
They believe that they are the world's only legitimate state.
And they've also said publicly since two thousand seventeen that the moon and Mars are sovereign Chinese territory.
That makes the United States a colony in their view.
And I know that sounds ludicrous but uh we ignore what the Chinese have been saying.
They actually declared a quote unquote people's war on America in May 2019.
That's a phrase that has resonance in Communist Party lingo.
And we have um a president who says oh well you know they're not an enemy they're not a even an adversary.
They're just a competitor.
No they're not a competitor.
Um and we have seen this in so many different ways whether COVID nineteen or fentanyl um China is assaulting the United States and we're not defending ourselves.
For well over a decade the communist Chinese have been building up it's been a massive military buildup.
Uh they the President Qi announced last week that he is preparing his nation for war and up the defense budget by nearly ten percent.
So it sounds to me like they're serious and I do not believe and I say this with some sadness I do not believe this president is capable of dealing with a force like China or Russia or or Iran or North Korea for that matter.
I think that they will walk into Taiwan and uh I don't think there'll be much U.S. assistance except for you know maybe some military equipment and I think that'll be about the end of it.
And it's not only the president um we have a senior leadership in the Pentagon both civilian and in uniform that are not prepared to deal with the world the way it is.
For instance that spy balloon it went over uninhabited Alaskan and Canadian territory for essentially four days and they could have shot it down then.
They say they were tracking it when this balloon took off from Hainan Island.
They saw it all the way across the Pacific and yet they didn't do anything.
I mean this is um a failure of the highest order.
So how does China view this because I know your book is about the coming collapse of China I'm not sure I believe a coming collapse in China is inevitable.
I think just the opposite I think that their their territorial ambitions are about to be realized.
Yeah Xi Jinping has been acting much more aggressively because he's got problems at home that he can't solve that at the top of it is plunging property market and a contracting economy which this year may eke out some growth but very little and they've got other problems like worsening food shortages, deteriorating environment falling currency.
So that I think means he sees a closing window of opportunity.
And by the way they also sit on the edge of the steepest demographic decline in history in the absence of war or disease.
And that's forcing Xi Jinping to act fast and we have a Pentagon that is oblivious to that as well as of course a commander in chief who's oblivious.
How do you feel this was going to play out because it seems to be accelerating in terms of the time frame.
That's a great question.
You know in 1950 um Dean Atcheson Secretary of State said we would not defend South Korea, which we did.
Nineteen ninety um, we said we would not defend Kuwait, and we did.
We Americans don't know our own mind.
Um and unfortunately we've now got a commander in chief who is not prepared to deal and think about these issues seriously.
I don't know how he's gonna react, Sean, but uh the problem is the Chinese think that they can get away with um all sorts of horrific acts, and that means they're gonna try, which means they're gonna destabilize the world, which means that whatever we do, we are going to face um a horrible situation.
And they now have more military might than ever before.
Let me ask you this.
Um do you believe that America has the military advantage over China?
In a war on Taiwan, uh no, because China can concentrate its forces where ours are spread across the world.
We've got a better military um than China, but how much better?
Because it's been weakened in recent years.
Yeah, it is not as good as it looks.
Um the CSIS, the Center for Strategic and International Studies has done the most extensive war gaming over Taiwan in the unclassified sector, and they show us winning, but only after horrific losses, and that's probably going to be the case.
Wow.
Do you think America would commit US troops on the ground in Taiwan?
Um not until it's too late.
Um if the US were to put troops in Taiwan and offer Taiwan a mutual defense treaty uh and make clear declarations, China would not invade um for a lot of reasons.
Um but we're not going to do those things, which means we're going to leave Taiwan vulnerable, which means China probably will attack, which means there can be the worst consequences possible.
All right, quick break.
We'll continue more with Gordon Chang on the other side on Twitter, it's Gordon Ji Chang.
If you want to follow his Twitter account, I'm more with Gordon Chang.
His uh Twitter address is Gordon Ji Chang, if you go on Twitter.
What did you think of this intelligent league exposing U.S. spying on adversar adversaries and allies?
Uh U.S. officials, their foreign allies scrambling to understand now dozens of classified intelligence documents that ended up on the internet.
They were stunned and uh in some cases infuriated, but the documents which appear to have come in at least in part from the Pentagon are marked as highly classified.
They offer tactical information about the war in Ukraine, including c the country's combat capabilities.
Uh many of the documents seem to have been prepared over the winter for General Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and other senior military officials.
Um but let me ask you if you if you play this out, uh it looks like China is now simulating what, hitting key targets in Taiwan.
Uh so they're doing their part too.
Saturday, by the way, Taiwan said 45 warplanes either cross the Taiwan Strait median line, the unofficial dividing line between between Taiwan and China, uh, or flew into the the southwestern part of Taiwan's air defense identification zone.
That usually would be in a lead up.
They would want to know what what systems are triggered uh once certain lines are crossed, so that gives them valuable intelligence if they plan a war.
Yes, and China also simulated an attack on a foreign force, which is the United States.
We know that they plan um to go after the U.S. should there be a war in Taiwan.
Uh and for them, uh the Chinese to attack Taiwan successfully, they've got to impose a blockade.
And that blockade to be successful has to be so large that it includes sovereign Japanese territory.
Japan is a treaty ally of the United States, which brings us into a conflict.
Um so this is not just China versus Taiwan.
This becomes region wide.
And that's because right now China doesn't respect the U.S. for all uh, you know, looking at the way they they can't respect anybody.
Look at the comments of Macron over the weekend.
You know, he wants to avoid getting involved in any potential conflict between China and the U.S. over Taiwan.
Uh he wants to reduce France's dependence on the US dollar.
Uh he made the the comments followed a three-day state visit with President Xi himself.
And meanwhile, um, you know, now China's aligned with the most hostile and serious threat Europe has faced in our lifetime, and that is war in Ukraine.
Yes.
And um Biden, when he was campaigning for president, said that he would reinvigorate America's alliances specifically with Europe.
And um no European leader dared to make a comment like that during the four years of the Trump administration, but they're making them now because they think that the American leader is feeble.
So this is a direct uh rebuke of President Biden.
And we're gonna see more of this.
Um Biden's policies have seriously uh uh undermined American interests because we're actually helping China attack us.
We're doing that in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Brazil, um you name it.
This is um horrible foreign policy.
Listen, the the s the Saudis made a calculated decision that the U.S. abdicated its role on the world stage and they decided to to go with the the country that they thought would win the cold part of this war.
They went with China and they went with Russia, and they even put aside their differences, which are deep and profound with Iran.
And now they're doing the same thing with Syria.
They have picked a winner, and the winner is not us.
Yeah, and and Trump had great relations with the Saudi Kingdom.
Matter of fact, Trump had the best Middle East policy of any American president since FDR, and Biden clearly has had the worst.
Biden ran on the campaign of uh making Saudi Arabia pariah.
Well, guess what?
Saudi Arabia got back at the U.S. and now we're being chased out of the Middle East where just uh a couple years ago, we were the dominant foreign power.
Yeah.
Anyway, uh Gordon Chang, we've always appreciated having you on the program uh at Gordon G. Chang uh on Twitter if you want to follow his uh his his account and to keep up with this.
I am telling you, I know we talk a lot about Tennessee.
I know we're talking a lot about uh uh two separate abortion rulings.
I understand we talk a lot about twenty twenty-four, but I am telling you, mark my words.
This is going to be topic A, probably sooner than later.
And I actually pray that I'm wrong.
I really do.
Anyway, eight hundred nine four one Sean, our number if you want to be a part of the program.
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Everyone's having a great time.
By the way, it's so raucous.
Linda, you uh you you've seen this up close and personal.
It gets crazy in the case.
I'm coming again in a week, I think.
I think it's next week or the week after.
When are you gonna sit in the stand so I can point you out?
Listen, I'm gonna sit there, I'm gonna make a lot of noise and sit there.
You go hiding on the sidelines so nobody could recognize you.
Next time though, I'm gonna sit right in the front.
Right in the front.
We'll have a little toss.
Toss a little football team.
You can't you can't catch.
So how are we gonna have a just you know, I said that I would try.
Okay, so we can do that on live TV and we'll toss the ball.
Let's toss it.
Toss the ball.
It's gonna be great.
It'll be great.
Actually it would be very good TV.
Great TV watching you drop the ball.
You bring your dojo next time, you and McGregor, that would be cool.
Oh, yeah, sure.
That would actually be a very cool show.
Well, him kicking my ass.
You like that on national TV?
The news is very depressing.
I could do with a little levity, I'm just saying.
I think we all can.
Listen.
Uh all right, let's get to our busy phones.
Uh let us say hi to Chris in New York.
Chris, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
Uh have so much respect for all all the great work you do.
Thank you.
It's an honor to it's an honor to talk to you.
Um real quick, yeah, well, I had a um point I want to make and uh as well as a question.
Um I'm I'm really curious what the Supreme Court, you know, what the justices think about this this entire, you know, indictment.
Uh 'cause m my viewpoint is that if this case somehow were brought before the Supreme Court, the only way to put this entire thing to rest where people just don't pursue political prosecutions is if the Supreme Court in a clear cut, nine to nothing decision can just in the clearest way possible say that this can never happen again.
Um, you know, especially someone even facing a a hundred and four years in prison for something that's clearly nonviolent, if if there even was anything violated.
But that's my viewpoint that if this case were to somehow be brought before the Supreme Court and they in a clear sweeping nine to nothing decision just can say this can never happen again.
That could just, you know, hopefully put this whole this pattern to a halt.
Um that's my my one general point.
Uh I was kind of curious about um uh after uh Mr. Trump's attorney's appeal, um uh after they try to get a dismissal.
Uh I have my doubts about this New York judge granting a dismissal.
So I guess I'm curious once they start appealing that decision, at what point did it leave the jurisdiction of New York?
You know, presumably it would go move up the chain to a appellate judges in New York.
To be honest, I don't think they're going to do anything on this particular now there'll be motions filed.
I don't but I don't think ultimately if he got to a jury trial, which it should never get to, uh, but if that happened, I I don't think you'd see that until early next year.
By the way, what perfect timing.
Right in the middle of the primary season and caucus season around the country.
Uh and and then God knows what else is gonna happen.
I mean, even though I've read the the transcript of the Georgia phone call again and again and again, and if you take you know, there's only one line that the media mob and Democrats use.
You only need to find eleven thousand however many votes, uh, but they forget all the arguments ahead of time, and it's a pretty thick transcript if you printed it out.
Uh there are a lot of other things said in that call that nobody's taking issue with, and Donald Trump laying out in in very specific terms in many cases, exactly what where he thinks Georgia failed in terms of following election laws and what needed to be done in terms of ensuring that this was an election with integrity.
So, you know, I think I I as I said last week, I think all of this combined, and you got a special counsel looking into January sixth and the document issue.
Uh I think it's all designed to create a tsunami of legal uh attacks against Donald Trump to either get him to pull out or convicted.
Um although some people, you know, suggest that that maybe they're just tying him up in knots uh so he gets the nomination.
I'm not really buying that argument as much as others are.
I don't think that's what it is.
I think they want to destroy him.
That's my take.
No, absolutely.
And I guess with respect to the New York case, I'm just curious, like once his attorneys try to get the case dismissed, which I don't I don't think the New York they'll try to get it dismissed, they'll try for a change of venue.
None of that's gonna work in my view.
So so after the the judge does not grant a dismissal, they would presumably appeal it, right, to hire judges in New York, I'm assuming.
Yeah, uh that that's all part of the process, but in terms of it's scheduled to go back to this court, that we're talking about December now.
Gotcha.
Okay.
I didn't I didn't know if like pretrial at any point.
Well, they could try to expedite it considering they have the the the presidential run factor connected to it.
Uh they might have some success there.
Um and I think I think Joe Tacopina is a great lawyer.
He also hired another lawyer that's really good to be on the case with him.
So um I think they've got the right people for the case.
It's just a matter of, you know, justice, the wheels of justice turn very, very slowly.
Uh anyway, appreciate the call, Chris.
Thank you.
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Chris in Pennsylvania, Chris, how are you?
Glad you called.
Good, Sean.
Thanks for taking my call.
Sean, uh I just want to make a point that uh like you were talking about President Trump.
Uh you're no you're not buying into the whole thing that they want him to win the nomination.
Here's my here's my take on the whole thing.
I think they know exactly what they're doing.
They're playing chess here.
They are way more worried about Ron DeSantis.
And the reason I say that is Ron DeSantis is basically President Trump without the baggage.
They don't have anything on that guy.
He doesn't take any crap from the media, he doesn't pull any punches, and he doesn't take your bait.
They're they're more worried about him.
Now what they do know is that Donald Trump has so much baggage, they're just begging, begging for him to win this nomination.
If that's the case, why are they why are they trying to tie him up and then hopefully get a conviction and hopefully get him in jail?
That that part doesn't make sense to me.
Well, they know they know they're not gonna get a conviction.
They don't care that they're gonna get a well they're not gonna get one in New York.
We don't know what will happen in Georgia.
I mean, if I pick three places, I would not want a conservative or not think their odds are gonna be fair uh in terms of any legal matters, it would be New York, DC, and Fulton County, Georgia.
Those would be that that'd be on my top ten list right there.
I agree with you.
I agree with that.
Well what I uh I'm listening Ron DeSantis has been a great governor, and I think Trump was a great president.
Now, in terms of you know, the issues involving Trump and and what you call baggage, or you know, how much of this was induced by the media?
You know, the Russia hoax, that was three years of his presidency and him having to fight back every day.
It didn't put him in a posture where he could focus just on his work.
Uh add to that the first impeachment, add to that the double standard with Hillary and the Clintons and the Bidens, etcetera.
Uh, add to that the second impeachment.
Um, add to that all of the other, you know uh investigations that were ongoing.
I I never saw one man attack like he's been, and he did a great job as president, and I'll add that Ron DeSantis has done a great job as governor.
He did I agree with all that, and but here's the point I'm trying to make, Sean.
Is all of that being said, all of that is a hundred percent true.
They're counting on him getting the nomination, but they're also counting on because of all of that, a lot of the Republican base is going to be afraid, they're gonna back away from it, and they're planning on giving they're hoping that they're gonna be afraid or are they gonna say go out and then droves and say I'm sick and tired of this crap and what we need for example.
I mean, look what's happening in the world, China.
Uh we spent a lot of time today talking about China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea.
You know, the these are real clear present dangers.
Then you add the economic mess.
You know, are you gonna want if if the world is on the verge of war, do you want the guy that is uh that that is viewed as strong and maybe even a little bit crazy uh to that he would do what he says he's gonna do, or do you want a guy that you know has not been tested in that arena yet?
Now I think Ron, you know, one day will be president, but I'm just saying you just i i it doesn't seem like I hear what you're saying, and I've heard other people say this to me.
I'm not convinced that they are trying to do anything other than destroy Trump, the obvious.
I'm not convinced that they've thought through we'd rather go up against Trump than Ron DeSantis.
Because if they really believe that, they leave him alone.
Well, they would leave him alone.
However, I mean it's a double-edged sword.
No matter what happens, in their eyes, in their arrogance, they're they win, no matter what happens, because they they really believe, and I I believe this all my heart.
They believe that not only will attain him and dissuade Republicans for voting for him again.
Yeah, they're trying to bloody him up, no doubt about it.
But let me let me promise you something else.
Whether the candidate is Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, let's see, uh Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Chris Christie, which is a joke.
Um who else is it?
Maybe Glenn Yunkin, we keep hearing rumors he may want to get in.
Whoever that nominee is, I can promise you, with a hundred percent certainty that they will smear, slander, besmirch, and try to destroy them too.
I promise you.
Of course they will.
Oh, and it's gonna be the same old song and dance.
They want to call Medicare, they want to do this, they want to do that same thing they've been singing for decades, and none of it's true.
We all know that.
But there they they now there was a report last week that they have a 500-page dossier, the left on Ron DeSantis.
And they will unleash unleash hell.
Let me just give you an example here of just the depth of hatred in terms of all things Trump.
Democrats, media mob, you know, and and Alvin Bragg running to get one man, one organization, one family.
I I mean, just replace the name Trump with any Republican, because that's what they're going to try to do to any Republican presidential candidate.
They even tried to do it against Mitt Romney, uh, if you recall.
Anyway, well, just listen, because this put it's just it it shines a light on what I'm talking about.
I know a lot of people are wondering uh whoever has this job, are they going to convict Donald Trump?
That that that is uh the number one issue.
The Times calls Bragg a talented prosecutor whose successful suit of the Trump Foundation could be an invaluable experience for the investigation, he'll take over.
Is the chief deputy attorney general in New York State?
I oversaw some of the office's biggest cases from exposing illegal behavior by the Trump Foundation.
We know there's a Trump investigation.
I have investigated Trump and his children and held them accountable for their misconduct with the Trump Foundation.
I also sued the Trump administration more than a hundred times.
We know that the DA is investigating uh Trump.
Uh when I was at the AG's office, I sued Trump over a hundred times for his administration's misconduct and brought a case against the Trump Foundation and held him accountable.
Donald Trump pleaded not guilty in a Manhattan courtroom again to 34 counts of falsifying business records and conspiracy.
Uh Conspiracy is a very effective tool used by prosecutors to charge someone, charge groups of people, and hold them accountable for all acts in furtherance of the conspiracy.
But the big question now arises who is the conspiracy.
It's 34 counts of falsifying records and conspiracy.
It's 34 accounts of falsifying business records and conspiracy.
More information.
And we need to see what was the purpose of the conspiracy, who was in the conspiracy, what were the so-called overt acts.
You actually have to take a step uh in for servants of the survey further.
You don't actually have to complete the conspiracy.
You don't actually have to go through with it.
You can just intend to go through with it.
Now the conspiracy count is important because it doesn't just give the district attorney a legal platform to make Alex to bring in the catch and kill narrative.
Um, but it actually will likely be what's called a speaking indictment.
New information for the first time out of court uh that the DA is charging this as a false business records and conspiracy case.
You have a conspiracy count that lets you give a narrative that describes the evidence that the grand jury heard and voted on.
There are 34 counts of falsifying business records and conspiracies.
So add the conspiracy element to this.
The conspiracy element here would indicate that he conspired with others, right?
That there are other people involved in this effort.
People have talked about a miracle.
Uh I'm hearing about a nightmare.
This was a whitelash.
This was a whitelash against a changing country.
It was a whitelash against a black president in part.
And that's the part where the pain comes.
I think some of this cultural anger we should correctly identify as being racial animus.
America is crying tonight.
I appreciate a good call.
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