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Defending Law Enforcement - January 9th, Hour 2
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So Joe Biden's show at the border this weekend.
When you think of all the crime, all the aiding and abetting of crime, all of the human trafficking, all of the drug trafficking, and Biden shows up.
He didn't actually really visit the border and all the photo ops because they cleaned the place up before Biden even got there.
It was just, it was such a phony staged moment.
Biden comparing asylum-seeking illegal immigrants to Jewish people fleeing Nazi Germany in this particular case.
But the issue of crime, a lot of it starts at the border.
You know, how many more kids are we going to lose to fentanyl or heroin or meth or drug addiction?
Most of which these drugs are coming across that southern border.
For example, over the weekend, Tony Gonzalez, congressman, great state of Texas, said he was told that he was not allowed to accompany Biden on the border visit.
Why not?
Why not make this bipartisan?
Of course, you know, this is Joe Biden.
Anyway, listen.
Last time you were here, you said you wanted to go with President Biden to the border.
He's going there today.
Are you participating at all?
Have you had any contact with the White House about migration?
I'm very disappointed in the administration.
You know, seven months ago, I hosted the president in Uvalde and I asked him to visit on the border.
He looked me in the eye and he said, Tony, yes.
Seven months later, when I try to be part of this El Paso visit, which I represent El Paso, I represent nearly 50% of the southern border.
The White House told me I wasn't able to be part of it.
What does that mean?
That means that Democrats are using this as a political.
They think this is a political challenge, not a policy challenge.
Clearly, you see these images a couple weeks ago of hundreds of people in a cell.
That's not a political challenge.
That is a policy challenge.
All right.
So then, of course, we have the moment.
I thought the greatest moment of the weekend, because this was, remember, hundreds of El Paso illegal immigrants were deported because Biden was coming down for his photo op.
The best moment came from Governor Abbott of the great state of Texas, and he sent and hand-delivered this letter to Joe Biden.
Your visit to our southern border with Mexico today is $20 billion too little, two years too late.
And then it brings up the other issue about the left in America and law and order and how they have sacrificed law and order at the altar of no bail, dismantle, defund the police efforts, and have been fully supportive of it, which makes every American less safe, less secure.
If you're not safe, if you're not secure, if you don't have law, if you don't have order, you don't have an ability at all in any way to pursue happiness.
It's really that simple.
A friend of the program, Greg Kelly, is with us.
He has a brand new book out.
It's called Justice for All, How the Left is Wrong About Law Enforcement.
I've known his dad for a long time.
He is a former NYPD commissioner, Ray Kelly.
Greg, great to talk to you again.
How are you, my friend?
Hey, Sean.
Great to talk to you and thank you very much.
And my goodness, the border, it reminded me something out of the Soviet Union, Joe Biden.
He almost looks like Leonoid Brezhnev, if you remember that guy.
The stagecraft of it all.
Thank God, you know, Governor Abbott, and there was some reality, a dose of reality for the president.
But it really does look like something from a totalitarian regime, the way they're escorting him around.
You know, I've known your dad all these years.
He was one of New York's best police commissioners of all time.
He, Rudy Giuliani, Bernie Carrick.
I mean, what they did to really transform New York City is remarkable.
You would think that we would learn from the success that they had, but we're not.
We're going in the opposite direction.
But now it's impacting, you know, people in small towns and big cities all across the country.
It's having a major impact, and people are less safe and secure.
You deal with a lot of this in your book.
You know, we know how to save lives.
We know how to do it.
Rudy Giuliani, Ray Kelly, Bernie Carrick.
You know, there was a revolution in law enforcement in the 1990s.
A revolution.
New York City went from 2,000-plus murders a year to less than 335.
Now, a city of 8 million people, that's a huge accomplishment.
We know how to do it, and we can do it legally.
We can do it constitutionally, and we can do it with respect.
But what the left has done is demonize law enforcement.
I believe they're demonizing law enforcement because they want to co-opt law enforcement.
If you think about it, the Democrats basically control everything.
They control media.
They control big tech.
They control right now the White House.
They control our culture to a large extent.
One area, two areas, actually, the military, they did not have a foothold there.
That's radically changing.
And law enforcement.
They want to redefine law enforcement.
And so far, without a more robust pushback from us, it's working.
Well, this is where we now, Americans have to demand that we refund the police.
Americans have got to demand our borders are secure.
Unfortunately, you know, in the case of President Biden, for example, he's not only not enforcing the laws of the land, he's aiding, he's abetting in the law breaking and even giving illegal immigrants people not respecting our laws, our borders, our sovereignty.
He's actually handing them, you know, preferential treatment because they're not getting any background checks.
Last year alone that we know of, 100-plus people on the terrorist watch list they caught, but what about the ones they didn't catch?
Even the Department of Homeland Security admits that half a million people at least are gotaways, meaning we don't have any record of them at all whatsoever.
In the two years Biden's been president, 5 million people now at least have crossed that border.
And yet they do nothing.
They have preferential treatment.
There's no vaccine mandate.
There's not even a COVID test in the middle of a pandemic.
There's no background check to see if people have radical associations.
There's no means testing to see if people have the ability or will have the ability to take care of themselves or whether they will become a burden on the American people.
And we really can't afford it.
Well, they're gutting America.
They want to destroy it.
From time to time, I wonder if Joe Biden is conscious of that or if he's just going along with it along for the ride.
I do believe that Barack Obama is pulling the strings here, that he is the de facto leader of the Democrat Party and bringing most of this, if not all of this, on.
In my book, I actually make the case, Black Lives Matter came about in 2011, 2012.
What was happening at that point?
Barack Obama was suffering with African-American voters.
Not many people know about this, but he took a major hit in the polls.
They thought that a lot of things were going to happen when Barack Obama became president.
It didn't happen.
Many of them became disenchanted with him.
Black Lives Matter was formed in part to bail him out politically with people of color.
Now, Obama's written about this in his own books, that he was not sure if he was white.
He was not sure if he was black.
He was viewed, he said, with suspicion by the black community.
At one point, he was going to just say, well, I'm going to be a post-racial president, and I'm going to make points that most people can't.
I'm going to go into a church and say to the black fathers, you guys are MIA.
You guys are AWOL.
Not all of you, but a lot of you.
I can do that.
I'm Barack Obama.
And he did that for about two seconds.
And then he got scared.
The left, Jesse Jackson, literally said, we are going to castrate him if he keeps that up.
So Black Lives Matter.
Well, he did remember the Audacity of Hope, Reverend Jeremiah Wright's Church, White Folks' Greed Runs a World in Need.
We have a tape of him actually saying it in his audio book.
So, you know, these are all positions.
And when you talk about Black Lives Matter, we're not talking about people that after the death of George Floyd had taken to the streets and used those words to, you know, express their displeasure.
We're talking about the group Black Lives Matter, the ones that were chanting, what do we want?
Dead cops, when do we want them now?
Pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon.
Which was unbelievable, widespread sentiment.
And Black Lives Matter, the organization, and to a large extent, the movement.
I think corporate America, the culture, mindlessly and immediately just latched on because Black Lives Matter, of course, it sounds good.
Who would argue with that?
But when you look at what they're for, they're for abolishing, not just reforming, not defunding.
They want to abolish the police.
They want to abolish the American family.
And when we see drag queens coming into schools and reading to children, you really see it.
They're making good on their values.
This is what they want.
I don't want to speak to kids in school.
I'm not a teacher.
I have no idea what is going on there other than...
Oh, I do.
I want to talk to every kid in every school.
I've got a lot to say to them, except 90% of it would be unacceptable.
They're sexualizing children.
They want to destroy the family and they want to destroy law enforcement.
And in a cynical, cheap way, they are just concerned about power.
They want to make it another stronghold for the Democrat Party.
All right, quick break more with Greg Kelly.
His new book, Justice4All, Amazon.com, Hannity.com, bookstores everywhere.
How the left is wrong about law enforcement.
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Hey, we continue now with Greg Kelly.
His new book is out, Justice for All, How the Left is Wrong About Law Enforcement, Amazon.com, Hannity.com, Bookstores Everywhere.
Let me ask you this question.
One of the things that I noticed after the George Floyd incident, now, I took a position very early that what the police officer did in that instance was way over the top.
It was wrong policing.
It was poor training.
And the police officer was in fact responsible for the death of George Floyd.
And I say this as a student of martial arts now for over 10 years.
And the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy would be one's neck.
Part of my training is, you know, targeted strikes, for example.
If you hit somebody in a carotid, they're probably going to drop.
If you get somebody in a rear-naked choke, you probably can choke them out in 12 seconds.
And to put your knee on somebody's neck for nearly nine straight minutes and pound his face into the asphalt while the person is handcuffed, it was just horrible policing.
So I've thought at length about what other alternatives can be available to police.
And I think one of the things they need are more non-lethal options.
I'm not a big fan of this stun gun that has the wires coming out.
That's close quarter fighting.
And there's a company.
I have no financial interest in it.
And it's named Berner, B-Y-R-A-N.
I'm sorry, N-N-A.
And they have a company that produces a firearm that is non-lethal, that shoots projectiles that have tear gas and two pepper sprays in it.
I can hit somebody from 40 feet away with pinpoint accuracy, and it incapacitates them.
And if a police officer makes a mistake, at least the person's not dead.
They don't have that option.
And most officers don't get the training that they really need and deserve, especially in the tough streets that they work in.
Well, let me run this by you.
America went berserk over that horrible incident.
And there are, and it's tough to say, it's tough to speak about, but you can look it up.
There are instructions in the Minneapolis Police Department manual that says a police officer is authorized.
I didn't write it.
They did, to put a knee, leg, or arm on a neck of a suspect that is trying to, that they're trying to subdue.
But, Greg, the guy was handcuffed, Greg.
Listen, I agree.
It was a bizarre situation.
He's also about a foot taller than Derek Chauvin.
But here's the deal.
The threat to young people in America, 24 and under, particularly young people of color, is not from law enforcement.
It's from crime.
It's from young people shooting other young people with handguns.
That is a threat.
And you'll ask any criminologist, and I talk to a lot, the driver of that is the single-parent home.
Now, there are plenty of people who thrive in single-parent homes, but the sure way to security, financial, social, and otherwise, is a two-parent home.
Right now, in the black community, 75% of black children are born without a father.
There's absolutely certain socioeconomic issues involved.
There's also been the demonization of police.
There's also been defunding of police, dismantling of police departments.
Also, there's no bail insanity is leading to an unsafe, is leading to unsafe cities and towns all across the country.
However, I do think that more training and other alternatives for police could genuinely have a better impact on the country.
And cops are not trained to the level they need to be trained.
That's all there is to it.
You know, you can never have enough training.
You can never have enough training.
But at some point, you have to deploy at some point.
And I would say the numbers, if you actually break down these numbers, they're very small.
The left likes to say that unarmed black men are being killed every single day by law enforcement.
Now, that's not true.
That is not true.
The number is more like 30.
And oh, by the way, there happen to be a lot more white people who are shot and killed by police, even unarmed.
So we can talk about training, but I would say that these are aberrations.
These are not moments from which to draw policy.
These are the kinds of issues, George Floyd, these discussions that get the base, the left, excited and mad.
Well, but you're right.
On any given weekend in Chicago, 50 people could be shot.
We never hear their names.
Fair point.
All right, Greg, I got to let you go.
Anyway, his book is called Justice for All, How the Left is Wrong About Law Enforcement.
It's on Amazon.com.
I'll put it up on Hannity.com and in bookstores everywhere.
Greg Kelly, thank you, sir, for being with us.
Hey, thank you, Sean.
Many, many thanks.
Bye-bye.
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A lot of you have a lot of questions.
Susie is in Washington State.
Susie, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, I'm so glad to talk to you.
Good to hear your voice.
And it's funny.
You've been talking about truth.
And that's what I want to talk about.
Chip Roy, Jim Comer, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and others.
They were on Friday, it was all about the truth.
They were trying to get the rules in the House to where things would be discussed in an open way, like they have not been for the last four years.
To be able to, you know, to vacate a motion to vacate for one vote.
That was pretty stunning.
I thought that was pretty interesting and a really good idea.
But, Susie, that had been agreed to days before January 3rd.
Now, remember, I had been in touch with a lot of these people in December talking about all of these issues.
My frustration was not the changes.
I like the changes.
My frustration was that nobody would listen to me and understand that this is not what the American public wants to see.
Now, the base may want to see it, but you know what?
Let's say Republicans have 45% in their base, Democrats have 45% in their base.
Where is the election actually won?
It's won with independent voters, and I didn't think it was a good optic to start with.
That was my opinion.
It wasn't complaining about the changes.
I like the changes.
Well, the trick was, though, that nobody really knew what the changes were.
I mean, the public didn't know.
The public didn't.
I tried to share everything with you that I knew, and without going into all the details, and I'm not overblowing any role that I might have had here.
All I did was tell these people early on to make their list.
What do they want?
What's best for the House?
What's best for their constituency or their constituents, whatever district they have to be in, and get in a room, close the door, make a deal.
Well, that's true.
That would have been a great deal.
And I don't know what that was all about.
I mean, I don't know why it took so long, but it sure got everybody's attention.
You know what it means?
It means they never listen to Hannity.
Nobody ever listens to me.
Yeah.
Well, and I love the part, too, where the Democrats are, you know, they're supposedly kicking back and eating popcorn.
And I got to thinking, you know what?
This is probably making them a lot more nervous than anybody really knows because for the first time in four years, we're going to start to hear the truth.
And we really need that.
I mean, whether it's on the media.
Well, that's the part that I wanted to get to.
See, I kept saying last week, I used the phrase over and over again, that the agenda is cemented in.
We already know what the agenda is.
Remember, they really get two big powers in the house, the power to subpoena and the power of the purse.
In terms of subpoena, we know Judiciary Jim Jordan will investigate if the FBI is politicized, the DOJ is weaponized.
We know Jim Comer is going to investigate the Biden family syndicate.
It will be an investigation into President Joe Biden and whether or not this is the biggest pay-to-play influence peddling scandal in history.
And there's a lot of evidence early on that indicates that's where this is going.
Then, of course, Afghanistan and COVID and Fauci and the borders, all of these things are relevant.
So that agenda was always set, coupled with their commitments to America.
Well, you know what else, though?
I listened this weekend.
I listened to Jim's Comer talking with Chuck Todd and Chuck Todd's there telling Jim Comer, you're just after revenge.
This gave Jim Comer a soapbox to talk about what was really true.
And I thought that was a great opportunity, and it gave the foolish media the truth.
And that's what I want to see.
They're going to have to talk about it more and more, I believe, as far as what's being covered and what is happening in Congress.
Well, I'm going to be in D.C. tomorrow, and I think you're going to like what I do tomorrow.
I think you will.
I like it.
I always do.
There were some people that...
We're going to cut off here pretty quick, and I just want to say thanks for talking with me, and thanks for being in Spokane a few years ago.
Spokane is a beautiful city.
Too bad it's in the state of Washington, the socialist state of Washington.
Believe me.
Yeah, I know.
Our governor.
Susie, you just have a great disposition about you.
I hear goodness in your heart.
And you're what makes America great.
It's the people.
It's not these idiots in Washington.
I promise you.
I got one last thing.
Yes, ma'am.
I know you say, don't let your heart be troubled.
Your heart's troubled.
Yep.
Nope.
Mine is John 8, 32.
You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
That's what I live by.
Amen.
Amen.
Preach it any day, every place, everywhere.
All right, let's go to our phones.
Mike and Georgia, what's up, Mike?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Well, thank you, Sean.
I need clarification on how the mechanics to actually remove McCarthy have been made easier by the negotiations last week.
I understand that it's easier to bring him up for a vote, but have the mechanics of actually the number of votes required to get him out of there changed or still out now the Democrats and establishment Republicans that hold the vast majority together, it's going to be a vote among all those people.
Listen, as long as it's not abused, here's what it does.
It ensures that the Republican Party, the rank and file, have a mechanism whereby if McCarthy starts going wobbly and becoming John Boehner on us, they would have the ability, the power.
Any one member would have one member threshold to put forward a motion to vacate, meaning vacate the speaker chair.
And at that point, all business in the House would stop and they would have a vote.
If Kevin McCarthy does anything that egregious, he will deserve that no confidence vote to go forward with a positive majority.
But we'll have to see.
I don't suspect that's going to happen.
I've had enough conversations with enough people, including McCarthy.
I think he's committed to the investigations.
I think he's committed to his commitments with America.
He wrote them.
He wrote it with a number of other people giving some input.
So it is the America First Agenda that most conservatives support.
So that was part of my frustration a little bit last week, too.
It's like, guys, we've already agreed on all of this.
There was so much that had been agreed to beforehand that I think it could have been handled differently.
But it's, you know what?
No harm, no foul.
We had a week of a lot of votes, and people got assurances that they needed individually.
And this is where we are.
So now it's time to get to work, roll up your sleeves, and now fulfill the promises you made to the American people.
Well, my question also is, who determines the definition of the conservatives that he's supposed to appoint to hit some of these committees?
Sounds to me like as far as having any teeth to actually get rid of him, this thing does not exist.
Sounds like it's easier to bring him up for a vote, and I know he should do this.
I think all of that was agreed to.
Background is different than that.
My understanding is all of this was agreed to ahead of time.
That's my understanding.
Freedom Caucus members now having more seats on the House Rules Committee, which is the next step moving forward.
Voting on a bill, for example, on term limits on the borders.
For example, they will bifurcate all 12 appropriations bills, exclude earmarks from any of these bills.
A lot of this is good.
72-hour notice from release of the legislation before voting on it.
You actually have to read it, a balanced budget amendment.
I like all of it.
And again, I don't want people's expectations to get out of whack here.
They're one half of one body of government now, of the federal government.
And so when it gets, so hopefully they pass their agenda.
I doubt the Senate will, but there's going to be enormous pressure brought to bear on Senate Republicans and Democrats and Joe Biden because now America will see an alternative vision, another path to the country, and that hopefully will be, you know, that will be impactful for 2024.
So as far as actually getting him off as a Speaker of the House, none of the mechanics have actually changed.
This is all assuming he's going to proceed in good faith doing what he committed to do.
And is it my understanding, is it correct that he will be the one who selects the chairman of these committees and so forth as supposed conservatives?
I think that this has already been worked out amongst them behind closed doors.
That's my understanding.
All right.
But I'm going to see a lot of these guys tomorrow in person.
And when I do, I'll ask some of these specific questions, okay?
Okay.
It'll be interesting to see what takes place.
It'll be walking the straight line where his history doesn't always portray that.
Appreciate you being with us, Mike.
God bless you.
Happy New Year, sir.
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Mark in Massachusetts.
Mark, hi, how are you?
Glad you called.
Oh, Sean?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Thanks for taking my call.
Sean, you did a great interview the other night with Bropat and Gates.
And when Matt Gates was practically giddy over everything he got and said he couldn't even think of anything more to get, that was on the 14th vote.
He went back and voted present when all he needed to vote was for McCarthy, which he got everything he wanted, and that would have ended it.
And Gates took a chance if they had adjourned going into Monday with some Republicans being sick, others having children, there was a chance Sakeem Jeffries could have won.
But that's why they ended up with this.
They used to bust Obama for voting president.
And then two minutes later, because I'm an independent conservative, I'm getting texts for money to send to Matt Gates.
And I thought he misled you because you did a great job on him.
And it seemed like he was going to go back to vote for McCarthy.
That would have been the one vote on the 14th round to get him over the top.
And that's why Mike Rogers won Boncos.
Yeah, that was a little bizarre, the whole scene unfolding.
A little behind the scenes, I did have a conversation.
As a matter of fact, in the last break on Friday on this show, he actually called me and said, we're there, we're done.
Whether it's tonight or Monday or Saturday or Monday, I don't know.
But he was telling me the deal was done.
And so I think in his part, he wanted to see certain things that they had agreed to in writing.
That's why that happened.
But, you know, he can explain that himself, if that makes sense.
But, I mean, does him voting present at that point, knowing the alternative on Monday could have been Hakeem Jeffries, was it worth it?
And then when he said McCarthy's part of the problem when he raised the 500 million, there was no scenario in Bloomberg though, in half of Silicon Valley.
If there's no money, I can guarantee you if Sheldon Adelson was still alive, Matt Gates wouldn't have pulled this crap.
Well, I'll only tell you this without revealing my sources.
I can only tell you under no circumstances was it ever going to happen that Hakeem Jeffries became Speaker.
That part I know.
Okay.
Were you disenfranchised when he went back and voted present?
No, because he was honest with me and didn't say exactly when the deal was done.
He wanted something very specifically in writing and an assurance that had not been put down the way he wanted.
Okay.
I saw it a little different.
And then amazingly.
I'm just giving you behind the scenes conversations, direct conversations I had.
To send him money to five minutes of your show.
That I know nothing about.
I mean, anyhow, you did a great job.
I thought you held their feet to the fire.
And I thought they backstabbed the audience.
I thought he was confident to go back and just end it.
Well, look, be confident in this, regardless of the process was messy.
At no point was I nervous last week, and I told everybody I wasn't.
I was talking to too many people, working every source I had, and trying to get an understanding of where everybody was and what it would take to get the deal done.
Now, my frustration, first and foremost, was that everybody agrees on the agenda, agrees on the investigations, agrees on the commitments to America, but not everybody agreed on the other side of it in terms of, well, okay, I want the assurance, I want this assurance, I want that assurance.
And the bar, to be honest, kept moving.
For some people, once the motion to vacate was agreed to, the earlier version was any five congressmen could, that would be the threshold.
Once that happened, the bar started moving and they started asking for more stuff.
And that was frustrating for me because I had, again, speaking to people, working sources, I had said, what's your final list?
And then things, you know, the list kept getting bigger and bigger.
Oh, they knew there was nobody ever going to be close to McCarthy.
He was 10 to 1.
So what were they playing games with?
And again, that voting present, I can remember all the conservative players, and I am an independent conservative.
They were going after Barack Obama for all the times he voted present.
It's either white or black.
You're going to vote yes or no.
But voting present, to me, that's a cop-out.
All right, I appreciate you being with us.
Listen, just be happy it's done.
I wouldn't worry too much about a lot of it.
I truly believe, and I believe the whole time, that the agenda items were kind of in cement.
And maybe it's in the end pretty good that people got to see what really goes on behind closed doors because that's what is going.
That's reality.
That's what happens.
That's the Democrats and the Republicans.
That's why it's a swamp.
That's why I'm neither a registered Republican or Democrat.
Obviously, I don't support any Democrats, but I'm a conservative.
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