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Well, Mac.
McCarthy.
Gacum.
McCarthy.
Zinke.
The next speaker is the United States House of Representatives, Kevin Clark.
All right, that was the moment that Kevin McCarthy finally became speaker after what was a pretty uh, well, tiresome week for a lot of people.
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Joining us now is Colorado Republican Congresswoman.
Uh Lauren Bobert is back with us.
Congresswoman, how are you?
Hi, Sean, I am doing fantastic.
How are you?
I'm good.
You know, I still go back to the debate we had.
I think it was Wednesday of last week, Tuesday or Wednesday, I forget.
And we and people thought that I was mad at you or you were mad at me.
That was not the case.
I just wanted you had applied a certain math to Donald Trump.
You were tweeting to him.
And you praised him, by the way, in your tweet.
And then you said, if he doesn't have 218, you should be asking him to bow out.
And I said, Well, your group only has 20.
Why should the bigger group bow out, not the smaller group?
And we kind of went back and forth on that, and that's really what our disagreement was about.
Yeah, Sean, it was a week of healthy debate between all sorts of people, allies, colleagues, frenemies, all sorts of different people.
We were having healthy debate, and last week was the most productive week I've had in Congress, having 434 members assembled together, debating, engaging in conversation, putting forth ideas, and hearing the agreement, the opposition, all of that.
This is what I thought Congress was supposed to be like when I first arrived here, but it's been an empty chamber for two years.
It's been very one-sided.
They try to pass legislation without people being present, and so this was very exciting, and to me, it's exactly what our founding fathers intended.
They intended for there to be deliberation on the votes that we're taking, the processes moving forward, and I think we did exactly that.
We didn't just flippantly capitalize cast a vote we had serious uh dialogue leading up to that point and some amazing concessions for the country for the American people were made in the process.
So a lot of people saw you and Matt Gates on my TV show on Friday night and thought that this was a fate of complete that you you had decided to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
Now I know a little bit more because I worked my sources I knew a little bit more about what was going on behind the scenes and everything had been agreed to and Matt told me that you were in agreement as well.
I don't know if he was speaking for you but I I'm pretty sure he was but both of you wanted to see it in writing before you were going to make that final vote and that's the reason Friday night was unfolding the way it unfolded.
Yes.
So there was some of the things that had come out actually while we were doing that hit on your TV show together.
And then when we arrived to the House floor, we're presented with it.
We didn't have time to review it.
But also, Sean, I think one missing element that is very important.
There were six of us there at the end, and it was made clear to Speaker McCarthy that we wanted to go out unified, all of us unified, not just some splintering off.
And we didn't know exactly what that time frame looked like.
So we did come to a point after we forced the motion to adjourn.
We got together, came to a place where we were unified, the six of us.
And then we decided to kill the motion to adjourn and take another vote.
And then that's when you saw Speaker McCarthy be elected.
But I think that that was very important for us to not leave our friends behind and make sure that they were in a good place prepared to cast that vote as well.
Got a little tense over there between you and and uh Marjorie Taylor Green and Matt Gates and I forget uh who was it Mike Rogers about to come to blows I mean personally I find that stuff entertaining I may I may be unique in that thought but uh it didn't bother me at all.
Right and well and what people are saying I said is inaccurate as as usual.
But you know um when when you're apparently they were reading your lips and they thought you used an expletive towards Marjorie yes.
Yes that's incorrect.
But you know there were people surrounding us using bully tactics and there were several different members um that I told to back off and get away.
We weren't going to be bullied into a position.
We wanted to come out of this unified and uh stronger than how we went in and so um all all of the people who are begging and pleading and and yelling and screaming you know that that wasn't an influence on our vote.
I don't govern out of fear or pressure and um so you know there were several people who were told to back off not just Marjorie.
No understand.
Well my frustration and I'll be very blunt with you is and Matt can confirm this for you is I had conversations with a lot of people in December leading up to this knowing that this was a potential train wreck that was happening.
And frankly I didn't want the new Republican majority to spend their time uh arguing all of this in public when it could have been handled at a at a point behind closed doors and I urged the number of people to sit in a room, check their egos and their phones at the door, and come in with a list of what it is you need, what you want, and make it specific.
And you know, I that that didn't happen in any way the way I suggested to the people that I talked to, and I know I talked to enough people about it, as you know.
So Sean, I I agree with you.
And we did start these negotiations in the summer.
Unfortunately last summer we were not taken seriously in the requests that we were making because there was supposed to be a massive red wave.
That red wave, as we all know, failed to uh f failed to manifest.
We didn't have that.
And and we continued the no the negotiations from uh the but those those the summer negotiations to me were somewhat meaningless because they you know you had to win the majority first before you got to that point.
But once we got to Nov late November, early December and the differences emerged.
At that point I thought that's when things should have worked itself out behind closed doors.
I think honestly it would have been it would have been a better look for the Republicans and a better start and I think that maybe people forget about the the base of the Republican Party or the base of the Democratic Party, but more independent voters they didn't want to see this unfold.
That's my take.
Yes uh so the the negotiations certainly ramped up they increased we got m more aggressive with our meetings.
Um we were meeting together we were meeting with McCarthy with McCarthy's team and um you know this these are things that were happening on a regular basis.
None of us wanted to have this public showdown.
That's why on January 2nd uh Matt Gates, Scott Perry and I walked into McCarthy's office and said we have 218 votes for you.
You have to feel the deal.
You have to ensure us that these common sense concessions we are requesting are are going to take place and we were denied that.
So we said okay well we'll see what we're doing this is this was the list of 30 if I'm not mistaken.
There were 30 items on that list?
Uh I I don't know how many items, but there was there were quite a few, yes.
We were trying to lock in the final details of everything that we had been negotiating.
And uh and now we we've got them.
Um but we didn't have them throughout the week even though that people were reporting that they've got everything that they wanted we did not we did not have that nor or or we would have stopped it sooner.
I knew for example the motion to vacate with a threshold of five Congressman that was agreed to two to three days before January third.
So I knew that had happened and by the way that was that was a top item for many members.
My top item was for it to go back to single member motion to vacate.
And it wasn't until January yes I did.
On many things on many things John.
And so all of this was a part of that pro uh negotiation process and um I I'm kind of happy that the American people got to have a a a bird's eye view into Congress and the way things work because they can see that we are actually considering the things that we are talking about and taking seriously um how we are representing our constituents um it may have looked crazy chaotic from from home but I'm a mom of four boys.
Chaos and dysfunction that's like a part of my everyday life this was very organized and um that is a very toxic masculine that's an attack on toxic masculinity if I've ever heard one.
Anyway but in but in all seriousness uh the bottom line is for me too is the agenda was always agreed on.
I'm I'm guessing tell me if I'm wrong that probably all 22 members agree on all the investigations that we knew that Kevin McCarthy had already agreed to.
I think all 22 members will also agree on the commitments to America which is the America first agenda.
Am I wrong on that?
No you're not wrong on that at all but it was a process in how we are going to actually do that.
How are we going to have open rules?
How are we going to have amendments and have um individual members of Congress empowered to offer amendments how are we going to have a voice in and uh the rules process for each bill each bill has its own rule.
How are we going to investigate and and have those unfold we now have an independent select committee for those investigations and it it's going to be funded properly.
It's going to be staffed properly and it's not going to be just some groom closet committee that gets the short end of the stick and isn't um doesn't have the right personnel in place so these are the details that we have been ironing out the agenda is easy to agree on but it's how are you going to execute that agenda and that is what we've been working on.
You know at the end of the day I think there's got to be no harm, no foul and everybody roll up their sleeves and get to work uh because you were sent there to do a job.
That's the bottom line.
And and we certainly need a check and a balance against this Biden White House.
We certainly need the investigations that Jim Jordan is going to run in in judiciary against uh look looking into investigating the FBI are they politicized?
Is the DOJ weaponized?
The investigation into the Biden family syndicate that's Jim Comer, Afghanistan that disaster of a withdrawal, uh the origins of COVID nineteen Anthony Fauci, uh border security, all important issues you know, and I think I I think we both agreed even in that debate that we had that so many people commented on that were wrong.
They did not clearly they did not understand the issues you and I were debating.
Um and that it wasn't about the issues.
We never disagreed on issues.
No, there are many issues that we agreed on.
It's just how do we get there?
And and that was the conversation.
Um we we did not have um proper accountability mechanisms in place yet to yet trust that these things are going to actually happen.
I'm here to legislate um to govern for my people and it it was very important to me to make sure that we had this locked in because I don't want to go the next two years with centralized power in the House of Representatives.
I want each individual member empowered, strengthened to have a voice and that is exactly what we accomplished.
It took a few extra days, but that's okay.
Congress takes six to eight weeks off every summer to take a few days to get this right is very important.
Well I think you should take less time off now that the Republicans are in charge of the House uh but when Democrats are in charge, I hope they take the whole summer off the and the fall and winter and spring while they're at it.
Right.
I think we'd all be better off.
Quick break more with Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Bobert on the other side then we'll get to your calls 800 nine four one Sean if you want to be a part of the program.
Great Hannity tonight at nine we'll be in Washington DC tomorrow.
Uh we continue with Congressman Lauren Boebert of uh Colorado who's with us.
Your election was a very tight election and it kind of surprised me.
I know I had you on at one point and I just I've kind of figured your race was a slam dunk.
What happened?
Uh well I think the first thing that happened is we didn't have any third party candidates in the race.
In my 2020 general election there were three third party candidates that easily took um five to ten thousand votes from the Democrats and um and so there was a wider margin and we were able to see that victory much sooner.
But um also I mean just um it it's interesting how reporting is in the district and um the narrative that was allowed to run rampant that um nothing has been accomplished for the district in these past two years when um I have on my website pages and pages of things that we were actually able to get done even in the minority.
So I won in 2020 with 51% of the vote and I won in 2022 with 51% of the vote.
I'm still going to be in my district working as aggressively as I have been for the past several years um to to make sure every voice is heard and that I'm able to deliver promises for them.
And so I'm I'm very excited to um to have been reelected to be entrusted by the voters of Colorado's third district to continue to represent them and be their voice.
And I'm looking forward to doing exactly that.
I hope this week proves that I'm not going to stop fighting for them that I'm always going to stand strong.
I won't be bullied into a position and um I I'll I'll do exactly what um my principals tell me are are right to serve my district.
So where are you with Marjorie Taylor Green?
Are you guys good?
I Marjorie Taylor Green is my colleague and I wish her the best that is a non-answer answer.
So you you've you have not resolved your differences yet do you plan on it?
Look uh it I if there are differences to be resolved, sure.
But um she was very clearly um had had made her deal with Kevin McCarthy early on and um was a proponent of his and we had real work to do with making sure the rules package is tight to make sure that we have these independent select committees in place, that we have single subject rules, that we have germaneness rules that we don't have one point seven trillion dollar omnibus bills thrown on us in in the middle of the night with no time to read them.
We will now have 72 full hours to read a bill before it comes there.
Uh, you know, I I I don't know the reasoning for just blindly following someone um for uh a committee assignment or whatever the case may be.
Um I I I've been you know on on different sides of of many issues um with with her and other colleagues in the past, and um I'm doing what's right for my district and focusing on exactly that.
All right, there will be peace in the family.
I think if everybody needs to really understand that the date party needs to unify, and and I think we're gonna do that.
Well, and that's it, and work for the American people.
Uh Lauren Bobert, Congresswoman, appreciate you being with us.
Thank you.
Thanks so much, Sean.
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Mike California.
What's up, big Mike?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Uh thank you, Sean.
Um, first of all, I wanted to want to make two points.
But first, I want to just say that I really appreciated your coverage last week in that you covered the pluses, you covered the minuses.
It was not all one way or the other, and uh I think you had a great balance, and uh that was uh much appreciated.
Well, you're very kind.
I'll tell you what my main goal was.
I wanted these guys to get to work.
I want yes, I do we ever want another John Boehner?
God no, God help us.
We don't want that.
So what I was what I was looking for, first I was a little frustrated it wasn't worked out ahead of time, but that's personal for me.
On the other side of it is guys, get in a room, get your wish list down, get a deal, and start working for the American people.
Took a week, we got there, you know, no harm, no foul.
My only concern is that when they get to these committee meetings and I have various revelations that the media and Democrats are just going to use this this thing and just say, well, another accusation from the crown car.
And really use that.
But it does but does it really matter?
I mean, I say this to people that say, Oh, I prefer this person for president.
I prefer this person for speaker.
It at the end of the day, if you are a Republican, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a misogynist, you want dirty air and water, you're a homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobe.
Uh you want to destroy the environment, you want to kill Granny and steal her social security and Medicare.
It's just, you know, that's who they are.
It doesn't matter what the name is, they're gonna say the same lies about anybody that's a Republican.
Well, it's true, but just assume that we not give them uh ammunition and um and one last thing is Matt Gates was not on my plus list, and then when I saw him texting during the entirety of Kevin McCarthy's speech, that really erased him off my list.
You know, I think a lot of this is gonna be forgotten in pretty short order as they move forward with their agenda, which we talked about earlier.
That that's my guess.
Um look, uh I would urge everybody on all sides of this, and as you saw Friday night things got pretty hot in the chamber.
My argument to everybody is you know what, let's let's now focus on what's important.
Their their job is to be public servants.
Their job is to serve you.
Now, if I'm your servant, I'm supposed to, you know, your breakfast is to be prepared the way you like it on time.
And it's the same, there's no difference with an elected official.
They're supposed to serve you, we, the people.
Let them do the job now that they said that they want to do and promise that they were gonna do.
We ha we had the week of, you know, some people liked it, some people like me thought it should have been handled ahead of time.
But by and large, it doesn't matter.
Now get to work and do the things you said you're gonna do.
I'm I'm pretty simple-minded.
I think your coverage is gonna and the way you covered it is gonna help that tremendously.
Listen, I'm holding their feet to the fire.
I uh I don't want them to deviate one iota from what it is they said that they're gonna do.
I want this agenda because this agenda is best for the American people.
I also want to manage people's expectations.
This is, you know, one half of one branch of government.
It's actually a third when you take the Senate out of it.
So you have half the House, we don't have the Senate, we don't have the executive branch, and obviously we nobody has the j judicial branch, although we do have a Supreme Court now that is a lot better than it used to be.
So it's time to get to work, show people uh what we can do, get these investigations that have been long warranted underway, and I think when you see people see progress, they'll be happy.
And hopefully that will instill confidence in people that Republicans can not only fight among themselves, but govern and do and fulfill their promises.
You know, the best uh election campaign you could ever run on is one where you say, I made you these promises.
Remember, I made the promise, I fulfilled my promise.
Uh there's an old rule in radio.
Tell people you're gonna do it, do it, remind them you did it.
It's the same thing for politicians.
Anyway, my friend, God bless you out in California, appreciate it.
800-941 Sean Kenneth is in El Paso.
Oh, how was the nice cleanup before Joe Biden showed up?
Uh tell you what, uh, if you would have looked at video on the twenty-fourth of December compared to video on the 7th of January, it was just night and day.
Uh we will be doing that very thing and um watch and see.
Frankly, it's pretty disgusting.
The what they did here is so transparent and so obvious.
Biden didn't really number one visit the border.
This was a photo op uh where they cleaned everything up to make it look real pretty for Joe Biden to go down there.
He God forbid we get represented a real representation of what the situation is like where you live in El Paso.
I have friends in El Paso.
I know how bad it is.
We sent Sarah Carter down there 20 times.
We know we have the video, we've shown it, and we'll show it again tonight and remind people and we'll show people also how they cleaned it up as Biden was coming into town.
It was a joke.
Oh, it it was crazy.
You know, what's funny is that uh a couple days before the announcement came out that Biden was coming down, what they did is they had um El Pasa police and the uh trash sanitation uh department um going through and and uh telling people gather up whatever you can and and move away.
And at first nobody quite understood what the reasoning was behind that.
And then of course on Thursday evening, um, lo and behold, the border patrol is going down and they're rounding up all the folks uh that were still there.
And you know, a lot of these folks that were uh out there on the streets were have been invited by the nonprofit organizations to come in and Take shelter and and so forth.
And uh a lot of them frankly did not want to go because they were told they would have to provide um their personal information.
So that to me is a red flag, meaning that these folks uh are not here just because they're looking for uh so-called amnesty or or looking for a sanctuary city.
They're here for other uh reasons, you know.
Uh we I don't know if you know that when the Afghani um migrants uh were flown in here to El Paso uh to Fort Bliss, they were actually transported uh right across the state line to Dona County,
New Mexico, and you could literally drive up there where these uh folks were being kept, and they're we're walking they were walking aimlessly about the streets, and one of them actually um called in a Uber uh Uber, had them take him down to downtown El Paso, got out of the Uber and disappeared into the thing here.
So you can't you can't make that up, can you?
I think that what Governor Abbott did was fantastic.
Uh I loved it.
I love Governor Abde Abbott was great.
Uh all right, we appreciate it, Kenneth.
Thanks for telling us the truth about what really happened down there.
Um it's it's so disgraceful, so phony, so fake, it's so fraudulent.
It's just so typical Washington.
Uh Ollie Louisiana next, Sean Hannity Show.
What's up, Bolly?
How are you?
Hey, sir, I'm fine.
I just wanted to thank all the Republicans in Congress on McCarthy side of their debate and on the Freedom Caucus side.
It's been a long time since we had just where you know Congress, Republicans in Congress are gonna just not roll over for anything.
They will stand up.
I'm very excited.
I mean, very helpful.
I thought a lot of it was resolved ahead of time based on my sources, people I talk to, conversations I had with people.
Um in the end, I'll let you decide whether you think it was it should have been done beforehand or or let it play out the way it did in public.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
The governing begins, the work of the people begins.
That's what's important.
Yes, sir, I agree.
It's just I have so much hope now, a lot more than I did right after the midterm results.
Yeah, well, listen, we've got our biggest election ever in two short years, less than two years.
So buckle up.
It's gonna be uh a rocky ride.
Do they need to do their job now?
They've had time to fight it out.
Now it's time to get to work.
Rick in Wisconsin, what's up, Rick?
How are you, sir?
Sean, uh good to talk to you.
Yeah, I just had a couple of questions in the first one I'm gonna I'll I'll ask you and then I'll wait on my second one if you reply is.
So as far as like McCarthy's role in the omnibus bill, you know, being the minority leader, w what do you think he should have done, or did he do the right thing by you know, voting yes for it?
He didn't you you're talking about the bill that was passed by the Senate.
He didn't no, the Republicans did not vote in the House didn't vote for it.
He was begging Mitch McConnell and the leadership in the Senate not to do this deal.
He wanted no part of that omnibus bill.
He he rightly was asking them because they now had the majority to wait and fund the government through a continuing res resolution.
He didn't he wanted no part of that omnibus bill.
And the Republicans in the Senate that did it, frankly, I found it repulsive.
Okay, I guess I I guess I misunderstood what how this bill actually got placed.
I thought the bill was voted on in the Congress and then sent to the Senate.
Remember, but the ha the at that time in December in the lead up to Christmas, the House was in control of the Democrats.
Not by not by Kevin McCarthy.
But it was still it was still uh a bipartisan bill that passed through the Congress.
In the Senate where this thing got hammered out, that's where the the damage was done and the Democrats, you know, had the majority in the House and they used it.
Right.
I I understand, you know, like but but I I feel like it when it's still in the Congress, all these Republicans who said no way we're not spending trillions of dollars on this stuff.
Let us make the bill come first of the year, and we'll vote on our agenda.
Yeah.
And it's like it's like all these guys just let it go through.
It was a massive mistake.
That was a Senate mistake.
Make make no mistake.
That happened in the Senate.
Shouldn't have happened.
Anyway, good call, my friend.
Rick, appreciate it.
Uh Let's say hi to Steve in Texas.
What's up, Steve?
How are you?
Sean, you're a great American.
I think everybody's missing a little bit of the boat here.
Okay.
Those 20 people that held up Congress, I view as uh heroes.
They drew a line in the sand.
Just like Colonel Travis down here at the Alamo.
They had to have McCarthy do exactly what the Republicans need to do and hold his feet to the fire.
We've had too many people, Boehner, Ryan, even McConnell.
All these guys, they're not in the swamp with the creatures, but they're wading the knee deep water.
We can't have another guy slip through the crack.
I agree with you completely.
And the people that fought got those assurances.
The only thing I'm going to tell you, and this is inside baseball, this is me working my sources.
I'm telling you, it was never going to be a possibility.
That was never gonna happen here.
But however, they got they fought and they wanted it in writing in some cases.
They wanted even more than they were originally asking for, and they got it.
And I think in the end, it worked out fine.
I certainly hope so.
It works out fine because we may not have another crack at this, Sean.
I know.
It's scary.
It's got to be cleaned up correctly.
I totally, completely agree.
Thanks, Joe, Sean.
I love you.
I was watching and listening to you for years.
I'm proud of your governor down there.
Handing uh Biden that letter was awesome.
Anyway, thank you.
800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
George, I you know there are three core principles here.
Number one, we are dealing within a broken immigration system that Congress has failed to repair for decades, and there is unanimity with respect to that reality.
Number one.
Number two, the world is dealing with the greatest displacement of people since World War II, and the Western hemisphere, our entire hemisphere, is gripped with a migration challenge.
Last time you were here, you said you wanted to go with President Biden to the border.
He's going there today.
Um participating at all.
Have you had any contact with the White House about migration?
I'm very disappointed in the administration.
You know, seven months ago I hosted the president in Uvaldi and I asked him to visit on the border.
He looked me in the eye and he said, Tony, yes.
Seven months later, when I try to be part of uh this uh El Paso uh visit, which I represent El Paso, I represent fifty nearly 50% of the southern border.
The White House told me I wasn't I wasn't able to be part of it.
What does that mean?
That means that means that Democrats are using this as a political they think this is a political challenge, not a policy challenge.
Clearly, you know, you see these images a couple weeks ago of hundreds of people in a cell.
That's not a political challenge.
That is a policy challenge.
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