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Woman.
McCarthy.
Yatham.
Garby.
McCarthy.
Zinky.
Next Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.
All right.
That was the moment that Kevin McCarthy finally became Speaker after what was a pretty, well, tiresome week for a lot of people.
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Congresswoman, how are you?
Hi, Sean.
I am doing fantastic.
How are you?
I'm good.
You know, I still go back to the debate we had.
I think it was Wednesday of last week, Tuesday or Wednesday, I forget.
And people thought that I was mad at you or you were mad at me.
That was not the case.
I just wanted, you had applied a certain math to Donald Trump.
You were tweeting to him, and you praised him, by the way, in your tweet.
And then you said, if he doesn't have 218, you should be asking him to bow out.
And I said, well, your group only has 20.
Why does he, why should the bigger group bow out, not the smaller group?
And we kind of went back and forth on that.
And that's really what our disagreement was about.
Yeah, Sean, it was a week of healthy debate between all sorts of people, allies, colleagues, frenemies, all sorts of different people.
We were having healthy debate.
And last week was the most productive week I've had in Congress, having 434 members assembled together, debating, engaging in conversation, putting forth ideas, and hearing the agreement, the opposition, all of that.
This is what I thought Congress was supposed to be like when I first arrived here.
But it's been an empty chamber for two years.
It's been very one-sided.
They try to pass legislation without people being present.
And so this was very exciting.
And to me, it's exactly what our founding fathers intended.
They intended for there to be deliberation on the votes that we're taking, the processes moving forward.
And I think we did exactly that.
We didn't just flippantly cast the vote.
We had serious dialogue leading up to that point.
And some amazing concessions for the country, for the American people, were made in the process.
So a lot of people saw you and Matt Gates on my TV show on Friday night and thought that this was a feta complete that you had decided to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
Now, I know a little bit more because I worked my sources.
I knew a little bit more about what was going on behind the scenes.
And everything had been agreed to.
And Matt told me that you were in agreement as well.
I don't know if he was speaking for you, but I'm pretty sure he was.
But both of you wanted to see it in writing before you were going to make that final vote.
And that's the reason Friday night was unfolding the way it unfolded.
Yes.
So there were some of the things that had come out actually while we were doing that hit on your TV show together.
And then when we arrived at the House floor, we're presented with it.
We didn't have time to review it.
But also, Sean, I think one missing element that is very important, there were six of us there at the end.
And it was made clear to Speaker McCarthy that we wanted to go out unified, all of us unified, not just some splintering off.
And we didn't know exactly what that timeframe looked like.
So we did come to a point after we forced the motion to adjourn.
We got together, came to a place where we were unified, the six of us.
And then we decided to kill the motion to adjourn and take another vote.
And then that's when you saw Speaker McCarthy be elected.
But I think that that was very important for us to not leave our friends behind and make sure that they were in a good place prepared to cast that vote as well.
Got a little tense over there between you and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gates.
And I forget, who was it, Mike Rogers about to come to blows?
I mean, personally, I find that stuff entertaining.
I may be unique in that thought, but it didn't bother me at all.
Right.
And what people are saying, I said, is inaccurate as usual.
But, you know, when you're...
Apparently they were reading your lips and they thought you used an expletive towards Marjorie.
Yes.
Yes, that's incorrect.
But, you know, there were people surrounding us using bully tactics and there were several different members that I told to back off and get away.
We weren't going to be bullied into a position.
We wanted to come out of this unified and stronger than how we went in.
And so all of the people who are begging and pleading and yelling and screaming, you know, that wasn't an influence on our vote.
I don't govern out of fear or pressure.
And so, you know, there were several people who were told to back off, not just Marjorie.
No, understand.
Well, my frustration, and I'll be very blunt with you, and Matt can confirm this for you, is I had conversations with a lot of people in December leading up to this, knowing that this was a potential train wreck that was happening.
And frankly, I didn't want the new Republican majority to spend their time arguing all of this in public when it could have been handled at a point behind closed doors.
And I urged a number of people to sit in a room, check their egos and their phones at the door, and come in with a list of what it is you need, what you want, and make it specific.
And, you know, that didn't happen in any way the way I suggested to the people that I talked to.
And, you know, I talked to enough people about it, as you know.
So, Sean, I agree with you.
And we did start these negotiations in the summer.
Unfortunately, last summer, we were not taken seriously in the requests that we were making because there was supposed to be a massive red wave.
That red wave, as we all know, failed to manifest.
We didn't have that.
And we continued the negotiations from the 2010s.
But the summer negotiations, to me, were somewhat meaningless because you had to win the majority first before you got to that point.
But once we got to late November, early December, and the differences emerged.
At that point, I thought that's when things should have worked itself out behind closed doors.
I think honestly, it would have been a better look for the Republicans and a better start.
And I think that maybe people forget about the base of the Republican Party or the base of the Democratic Party, but more independent voters.
They didn't want to see this unfold.
That's my take.
Yes.
So the negotiations certainly ramped up.
They increased.
We got more aggressive with our meetings.
We were meeting together.
We were meeting with McCarthy, with McCarthy's team.
And, you know, these are things that were happening on a regular basis.
None of us wanted to have this public showdown.
That's why on January 2nd, Matt Gates, Scott Perry, and I walked into McCarthy's office and said, we have 218 votes for you.
You have to seal the deal.
You have to ensure us that these common sense concessions we are requesting are going to take place.
And we were denied that.
So we said, okay, well, we'll see what we're doing.
This was the list of 30, if I'm not mistaken.
There were 30 items on that list.
I don't know how many items, but there were quite a few.
Yes, we were trying to lock in the final details of everything that we had been negotiating.
And now we've got them.
But we didn't have them throughout the week, even though people were reporting, that they've got everything that they wanted.
We did not.
We did not have that or we would have stopped it sooner.
I knew, for example, the motion to vacate with a threshold of five congressmen.
That was agreed to two to three days before January 3rd.
So I knew that had happened.
And by the way, that was a top item for many members.
My top item was for it to go back to single member motion to vacate.
And it wasn't until January.
Yes, I did.
On many things, on many things, John.
And so all of this was a part of that negotiation process.
And I'm kind of happy that the American people got to have a bird's eye view into Congress and the way things work because they can see that we are actually considering the things that we are talking about and taking seriously how we are representing our constituents.
It may have looked crazy, chaotic from home, but I'm a mom of four boys.
Chaos and dysfunction, that's like a part of my everyday life.
This was very organized.
That is a very toxic masculine.
That's an attack on toxic masculinity, if I've ever heard one.
Anyway.
But in all seriousness, the bottom line is for me, too, is the agenda was always agreed on.
I'm guessing, tell me if I'm wrong, that probably all 222 members agree on all the investigations that we knew that Kevin McCarthy had already agreed to.
I think all 222 members will also agree on the commitments to America, which is the America First agenda.
Am I wrong on that?
No, you're not wrong on that at all, but it was a process and how we are going to actually do that.
How are we going to have open rules?
How are we going to have amendments and have individual members of Congress empowered to offer amendments?
How are we going to have a voice in the rules process for each bill?
Each bill has its own rule.
How are we going to investigate and have those unfold?
We now have an independent select committee for those investigations.
And it's going to be funded properly.
It's going to be staffed properly.
And it's not going to be just some groom closet committee that gets the short end of the stick and doesn't have the right personnel in place.
So these are the details that we have been ironing out.
The agenda is easy to agree on, but it's how are you going to execute that agenda?
And that is what we've been working on.
You know, at the end of the day, I think there's got to be no harm, no foul, and everybody roll up their sleeves and get to work because you were sent there to do a job.
That's the bottom line.
And we certainly need a check and a balance against this Biden White House.
We certainly need the investigations that Jim Jordan is going to run in judiciary against, looking into investigating the FBI.
Are they politicized?
Is the DOJ weaponized?
The investigation into the Biden family syndicate, that's Jim Comer, Afghanistan, that disaster of a withdrawal, the origins of COVID-19, Anthony Fauci, border security, all important issues.
And I think we both agreed even in that debate that we had that so many people commented on that were wrong.
They did not, clearly they did not understand the issues you and I were debating.
And that it wasn't about the issues.
We never disagreed on issues.
No, there are many issues that we agreed on.
It's just how do we get there?
And that was the conversation.
We did not have proper accountability mechanisms in place yet to yet trust that these things are going to actually happen.
I'm here to legislate, to govern for my people.
And it was very important to me to make sure that we had this locked in because I don't want to go the next two years with centralized power in the House of Representatives.
I want each individual member empowered, strengthened, to have a voice.
And that is exactly what we accomplished.
It took a few extra days, but that's okay.
Congress takes six to eight weeks off every summer.
To take a few days to get this right is very important.
Well, I think you should take less time off now that the Republicans are in charge of the House.
But when Democrats are in charge, I hope they take the whole summer off and the fall and winter and spring while they're at it.
I think we'd all be better off.
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All right, we continue with Congressman Lauren Bobert of Colorado, who's with us.
Your election was a very tight election, and it kind of surprised me.
I know I had you on at one point, and I just, I've kind of figured your race was a slam dunk.
What happened?
Well, I think the first thing that happened is we didn't have any third-party candidates in the race.
In my 2020 general election, there were three third-party candidates that easily took 5,000 to 10,000 votes from the Democrats.
And so there was a wider margin, and we were able to see that victory much sooner.
But also, I mean, just it's interesting how reporting is in the district and the narrative that was allowed to run rampant that nothing has been accomplished for the district in these past two years when I have on my website pages and pages of things that we were actually able to get done, even in the minority.
So I won in 2020 with 51% of the vote, and I won in 2022 with 51% of the vote.
I'm still going to be in my district working as aggressively as I have been for the past several years to make sure every voice is heard and that I'm able to deliver promises for them.
And so I'm very excited to have been re-elected, to be entrusted by the voters of Colorado's third district to continue to represent them and be their voice.
And I'm looking forward to doing exactly that.
I hope this week proves that I'm not going to stop fighting for them, that I'm always going to stand strong.
I won't be bullied into a position.
And I'll do exactly what my principals tell me are right to serve my district.
So where are you with Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Are you guys good?
Marjorie Taylor Greene is my colleague, and I wish her the best.
That is a non-answer answer.
So you have not resolved your differences yet.
Do you plan on it?
Look, if there are differences to be resolved, sure.
But she was very clearly had made her deal with Kevin McCarthy early on and was a proponent of his.
And we had real work to do with making sure the rules package is tight, make sure that we have these independent select committees in place, that we have single subject rules, that we have germaneness rules, so we don't have $1.7 trillion omnibus bills thrown on us in the middle of the night with no time to read them.
We will now have 72 full hours to read a bill before it comes there.
You know, I don't know the reasoning for just blindly following someone for a committee assignment or whatever the case may be.
I've been on different sides of many issues with her and other colleagues in the past.
And I'm doing what's right for my district and focusing on exactly that.
All right.
There will be peace in the family.
I think everybody needs to really understand that the date.
The Republican Party needs to unify.
And I think we're going to do that.
I completely agree.
Well, and that's it.
And work for the American people.
Lauren Bover, Congresswoman, appreciate you being with us.
Thank you.
Thanks so much, Sean.
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Mike California, what's up, big Mike?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Thank you, Sean.
First of all, I want to make two points.
But first, I want to say that I really appreciated your coverage last week in that you covered the pluses, you covered the minuses.
It was not all one way or the other.
And I think you had a great balance.
And that was much appreciated.
Well, you're very kind.
I'll tell you what my main goal was.
I wanted these guys to get to work.
Yes.
Do we ever want another John Boehner?
God, no.
God help us.
We don't want that.
So what I was looking for, first, I was a little frustrated.
It wasn't worked out ahead of time, but that's personal for me.
On the other side of it is, guys, get in a room, get your wish list down, get a deal, and start working for the American people.
Took a week.
We got there.
You know, no harm, no foul.
My only concern is that when they get to these committee meetings and they have various revelations that the media and Democrats are just going to use this thing and just say, well, another accusation from the crown car and really use it back.
But does it really matter?
I mean, I say this to people that say, oh, I prefer this person for president.
I prefer this person for speaker.
At the end of the day, if you are a Republican, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a misogynist, you want dirty air and water, you're a homophobe, xenophobe, Islamophobe.
You want to destroy the environment.
You want to kill Granny and steal her Social Security and Medicare.
It's just, you know, that's who they are.
It doesn't matter what the name is.
They're going to say the same lies about anybody that's a Republican.
Well, it's true, but just assume that we not give them ammunition.
And one last thing is Matt Gates was not on my plus list.
And then when I saw him texting during the entirety of Kevin McCarthy's speech, that really erased him off my list.
You know, I think a lot of this is going to be forgotten in pretty short order as they move forward with their agenda, which we talked about earlier.
That's my guess.
Look, I would urge everybody on all sides of this.
And as you saw Friday night, things got pretty hot in the chamber.
My argument to everybody is, you know what, let's now focus on what's important.
Their job is to be public servants.
Their job is to serve you.
Now, if I'm your servant, I'm supposed to, you know, your breakfast is to be prepared the way you like it on time.
And it's the same.
There's no difference with an elected official.
They're supposed to serve you, we, the people.
Let them do the job now that they said that they want to do and promised that they were going to do.
We had the week of, you know, some people liked it.
Some people like me thought it should have been handled ahead of time.
But by and large, it doesn't matter.
Now get to work and do the things you said you're going to do.
I'm pretty simple-minded.
I think your coverage is going to, and the way you covered it is going to help that tremendously.
Listen, I'm holding their feet to the fire.
I don't want them to deviate one iota from what it is they said that they're going to do.
I want this agenda because this agenda is best for the American people.
I also want to manage people's expectations.
This is, you know, one half of one branch of government.
It's actually a third when you take the Senate out of it.
So you have half the House.
We don't have the Senate.
We don't have the executive branch.
And obviously, nobody has the judicial branch, although we do have a Supreme Court now that is a lot better than it used to be.
So it's time to get to work, show people what we can do, get these investigations that have been long warranted underway.
And I think when people see progress, they'll be happy.
And hopefully that will instill confidence in people that Republicans can not only fight among themselves, but govern and fulfill their promises.
You know, the best election campaign you could ever run on is one where you say, I made you these promises.
Remember, I made the promise.
I fulfilled my promise.
There's an old rule in radio: tell people you're going to do it, do it, remind them you did it.
It's the same thing for politicians.
Anyway, my friend, God bless you out in California.
Appreciate it.
800-941-Sean.
Kenneth is in El Paso.
Oh, how was the nice cleanup before Joe Biden showed up?
Tell you what, if you would have looked at video on the 24th of December compared to video on the 7th of January, it was just night and day.
We will be doing that very thing and watch and see.
Frankly, it's pretty disgusting.
What they did here is so transparent and so obvious.
Biden didn't really, number one, visit the border.
This was a photo op where they cleaned everything up to make it look real pretty for Joe Biden to go down there.
God forbid we get represented, a real representation of what the situation is like where you live in El Paso.
I have friends in El Paso.
I know how bad it is.
We sent Sarah Carter down there 20 times.
We know we have the video.
We've shown it.
And we'll show it again tonight and remind people.
And we'll show people also how they cleaned it up as Biden was coming into town.
It was a joke.
Oh, it was crazy.
You know, what's funny is that a couple days before the announcement came out that Biden was coming down, what they did is they had El Paso Police and the Trash Sanitation Department going through and telling people, gather up whatever you can and move away.
And at first, nobody quite understood what the reasoning was behind that.
And then, of course, on Thursday evening, lo and behold, the Border Patrol is going down and they're rounding up all the folks that were still there.
And, you know, a lot of these folks that were out there on the streets have been invited by the nonprofit organizations to come in and take shelter and so forth.
And a lot of them, frankly, did not want to go because they were told they would have to provide their personal information.
So that, to me, is a red flag, meaning that these folks are not here just because they're looking for so-called amnesty or looking for a sanctuary city.
They're here for other reasons.
You know, I don't know if you know that when the Afghani migrants were flown in here to El Paso to Fort Bliss, they were actually transported right across the state mine to Doñana County, New Mexico.
And you could literally drive up there where these folks were being kept, and they were walking aimlessly about the streets.
And one of them actually called in a Uber, had him take him down to downtown El Paso, got out of the Uber, and disappeared into the thin air.
You can't make that up, can you?
I think that what Governor Abbott did was fantastic.
I loved it.
I love Abbott was great.
All right.
We appreciate it, Kenneth.
Thanks for telling us the truth about what really happened down there.
It's so disgraceful.
So phony, so fake.
It's so fraudulent.
It's just so typical Washington.
Ollie, Louisiana next, Sean Hannity Show.
What's up, Bolly?
How are you?
Hey, sir.
I'm fine.
I just wanted to thank all the Republicans in Congress on McCarthy's side of their debate and on the Freedom Caucus side.
It's been a long time since we had just where you know Congress.
Republicans in Congress are going to just not roll over for anything.
They will stand up.
I'm very excited.
I'll be very hopeful.
I thought a lot of it was resolved ahead of time based on my sources, people I talked to, conversations I had with people.
In the end, I'll let you decide whether you think it should have been done beforehand or let it play out the way it did in public.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
The deal got done.
The governing begins.
The work of the people begins.
That's what's important.
Yes, sir.
I agree.
It's just, I have so much hope now, a lot more than I did right after the midterm results.
Yeah.
Well, listen, we've got our biggest election ever in two short years, less than two years.
So buckle up.
It's going to be a rocky ride.
They need to do their job now.
They've had time to fight it out.
Now it's time to get to work.
Rick in Wisconsin, what's up, Rick?
How are you, sir?
Hey, Sean, good to talk to you.
Hey, I just had a couple of questions.
And the first one, I'll ask you, and then I'll wait on my second one to see what your reply is.
So as far as McCarthy's role in the omnibus bill, you know, being the minority leader, what do you think he should have done or did he do the right thing by, you know, voting yes for it?
He didn't.
You're talking about the bill that was passed by the Senate?
He didn't.
No, the Republicans did not vote, and the House didn't vote for it.
He was begging Mitch McConnell and the leadership in the Senate not to do this deal.
He wanted no part of that omnibus bill.
He rightly was asking them because they now had the majority to wait and fund the government through a continuing resolution.
He wanted no part of that omnibus bill.
And the Republicans in the Senate that did it, frankly, I found it repulsive.
Okay, I guess I misunderstood how this bill actually got placed.
I thought the bill was voted on in the Congress and then sent to the Senate.
Remember, but at that time in December in the lead up to Christmas, the House was in control of the Democrats, not by Kevin McCarthy.
But it was still a bipartisan bill that passed through the Congress.
In the Senate where this thing got hammered out, that's where the damage was done and the Democrats had the majority in the House and they used it.
Right.
I understand.
But I feel like when it's still in the Congress, all these Republicans should have said, no way, we're not spending trillions of dollars on this stuff.
Let us make the bill come first of the year and we'll vote on our agenda.
And it's like all these guys just let it go through.
It was a massive mistake.
That was a Senate mistake.
Make no mistake.
That happened in the Senate.
Shouldn't have happened.
Anyway, good call, my friend.
Rick, appreciate it.
Let's say hi to Steve in Texas.
What's up, Steve?
How are you?
Sean, you're a great American.
I think everybody's missing a little bit of the boat here.
Those 20 people that held up Congress, I view as heroes.
They drew a line in the sand, just like Colonel Travis down here at Dalamo.
They had to have McCarthy do exactly what the Republicans need to do and hold his feet to the fire.
We've had too many people, Boehner, Ryan, even McConnell, all these guys, they're not in the swamp with the creatures, but they're wading in knee-deep water.
We won't have another guy slip through the crack.
I agree with you completely.
And the people that fought got those assurances.
The only thing I'm going to tell you, and this is inside baseball, this is me working my sources.
I'm telling you, it was never going to be a possibility.
That was never going to happen here.
But however, they fought and they wanted it in writing in some cases.
They wanted even more than they were originally asking for, and they got it.
And I think in the end, it worked out fine.
I certainly hope so.
It works out fine because we may not have another crack at this, Sean.
This is scary.
And it's got to be cleaned up correctly.
I totally, completely agree.
Sean, I love you.
I was watching you.
Listen to you for years.
Good day.
I'm proud of your governor down there.
Handing Biden that letter was awesome.
Anyway, thank you.
800-941, Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
George, you know, there are three core principles here.
Number one, we are dealing within a broken immigration system that Congress has failed to repair for decades.
And there is unanimity with respect to that reality.
Number one.
Number two, the world is dealing with the greatest displacement of people since World War II.
And the Western Hemisphere, our entire hemisphere, is gripped with a migration challenge.
Last time you were here, you said you wanted to go with President Biden to the border.
He's going there today.
Are you participating at all?
Have you had any contact with the White House about migration?
I'm very disappointed in the administration.
You know, seven months ago, I hosted the president in Uvalde and I asked him to visit on the border.
He looked me in the eye and he said, Tony, yes.
Seven months later, when I tried to be part of this El Paso visit, which I represent El Paso, I represent nearly 50% of the southern border.
The White House told me I wasn't able to be part of it.
What does that mean?
That means that Democrats are using this as a political.
They think this is a political challenge, not a policy challenge.
Clearly, you see these images a couple weeks ago of hundreds of people in a cell.
That's not a political challenge.
That is a policy challenge.
All right, Hannity tonight, 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel.
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