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Mike Pence - January 2nd, 2023
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If you want to be a part of the program, former Vice President Mike Pence will be here in a second.
He has a brand new book out, and actually this is a promotion for it.
Let me play this for you.
So help me God is really just the story of my life.
And it was a great privilege for me to be able to put it on paper, to tell the story of my family, my Irish immigrant grandfather, my combat veteran dad, my precocious and unstoppable mom, now 90 years young.
But also to tell the story about our journey, my own development.
Starting in politics as a Democrat, being drawn to the Republican Party by Ronald Reagan.
Uh and a lifelong love for the Constitution of the United States.
Early days, lessons learned in congressional campaigns.
It would always be the guiding principle to me.
And uh former Vice President Mike Pence's brand new book is out today.
It's in bookstores all across the country.
It's on Hannity.com, Amazon.com.
Uh he's been a friend of mine for I guess now thirty years, uh and I'm honored to call him a friend, and he's a real friend.
Um and probably one of the the most, you know, legitimately devout Christians I've ever met in my life, and uh and he lives that life.
Um Mr. Vice President, it's an honor to have you.
How are you, sir?
Sean Hannity.
Thank thank you for those uh overly generous words.
Uh great to be on the radio program today, and uh I'm I'm hearing from people all over the country about our conversation last night.
Thanks.
Thanks for giving us a chance.
The response was phenomenal.
Uh honestly, it was um and we get response every night, but some nights you've you know, my phone just explodes, and that was the case last night, uh, which is all a tribute to m to you because they weren't exploding it wasn't exploding because I'm on because I'm on every night.
But you know, um so help me God.
Well yeah, this is a part of you that I don't uh that people don't know that I want people to know.
Not only in my life, but in the life of many, many people I know.
You make the call when you know it's a hard time.
You make the call when people are under fire.
You make the call when there's a death in the family.
You make the call when what an accident has happened.
And you do it all day, every day, and have done it for decades, and people I bet don't know that about you.
Well, you're very kind, and uh I I I thought you were talking about uh so many Americans uh who've taken the oath of office.
You know, the title of the book comes from the last words in my oath of office as vice president, and to no less extent when I was governor and when I was for twelve years uh um a fighting conservative in the Congress of the United States.
It it it ends with a prayer, so help me God, and it it uh uh uh but it's this it's the same oath as my Marine Corps son reminded me one time uh during some difficult days a few years ago that it's the same oath he took.
It's the same oath all of our men and women in uniform take, Sean.
It's the same oath uh men and women who serve in law enforcement and public safety all over the country take.
So I'm I'm humbled to be associated with those people and uh I love what the Bible says that in Psalm fifteen that he keeps his oath even when it hurts.
And uh I have some experience with that.
I I know uh I know uh what what it means uh to uh to have to stand in the gap uh and keep your word.
But I I gave my word to the American people.
I gave my word to Almighty God and um uh by God's grace um we worked every day to keep it well I don't think there's been a more successful administration and it was rooted on conservative principles.
I describe conservatism simply.
My audience knows my 45-second pitch on how easy conservatism really is.
You can break it down.
But you actually did spur economic growth.
You did lower taxes.
You did bring energy independence back after 75 years.
You did stop illegal immigration.
Peace through strength was clear and obvious.
America's place in the world was dominant, and people feared us, rightly so.
I think that's the way it should be.
abuse that power or want to abuse that power.
Um and I I think we've lost a lot of that and I worry about it.
I'm happy the Republicans captured the House but uh I'd like to see Republicans in charge completely.
Well and and nobody summarizes it better than you and I think one of the things I appreciated about last night uh on television was um uh thank you for noticing that my autobiography uh is not only about my whole life but it's it's been described as maybe the most thorough defense of the record of the Trump Pence administration that's been written.
I it was a you know it's the greatest privilege of my life to be vice president of the United States in an administration that literally rebuilt our military, revived our economy and gave Americans a new beginning for life with a conservative majority on the Supreme Court of the United States.
Obviously it it didn't end well uh and uh I write candidly about those days and about how the President and I found a way to part amicably nonetheless but I I hope that uh people that share our conservative values around the country will will take time to look at this book because I think as I describe the battles uh for conservative values in the Congress,
our battles back home in Indiana, lessons learned there, and then the extraordinary success of the Trump Pence administration.
My heart's desire is that so help me God will will give people confidence and hope about the future.
We did it before and we can do it all again.
And whenever those principles are are applied, they work.
It worked for Reagan it worked when new New Gingrich became Speaker, it worked uh under the administration with you and President Trump.
It just works.
These policies uh and principles they're timeless and they can get us out of of a lot of problems we're now experiencing I believe a lot of it's self-inflicted.
Um you know you said something to me last yeah John I really believe that.
I mean it's I was asked earlier today if I had any regrets and my only regret is having to witness uh the policies that we put into effect, you know, policies that secured our border that uh had America standing with our allies, standing up to our enemies around the world saw his historic peace break through in the Middle East,
saw seven million jobs created, unemployment at a fifty year low, saw a new beginning for the sanctity of life, literally one policy after another dismantled by an administration that seems intent on weakening America at home and abroad every day.
But but I I hope as people take a look at So Help Me God it'll it'll remind them of everything we were able to do in such a short period of time.
With those two years of a Republican House and a Republican Senate with voices like yours in the national debate out there giving us the air cover, Sean we made incredible progress for this country and I I my desire is that the the story in So Help Me God will give people hope that that we can do it all again that it'll all come back faster than you could ever imagine.
But it's it's going to take uh that new leadership coming into the House of Representatives going to take a new Senate going to take new leadership in the White House and I believe it's all coming Sean.
How do you explain what happened on Tuesday of last week, one week ago today.
And I mean it's amazing all right Republicans won the House, albeit by a smaller majority than some anticipated I was warning people that not to be overly exuberant and they weren't listening.
Um and only because every every Senate race was a a swing state, bellwether state very hard to win for Republicans.
Um but you know by there are certain things I can't explain.
Republicans never win, you know, the vote count.
They don't win by five million votes, and they did this time.
We did.
And yet they didn't win they didn't win more races.
That I'm having a hard time reconciling that.
It doesn't make sense to me, and and usually things I can figure out and and give a good explanation for, but that doesn't it's inexplicable somewhat to me.
Well well, first off, let me you know me well.
We have known each other for thirty years.
You know, I'm a I'm a glasses half full guy.
I mean, look, a win is a win.
I was there the last time we fired Nancy Pelosi, and I'll tell you the day she hands that gavel to Kevin McCarthy as the new speaker of the House, it's gonna be a great day for America.
But uh I share the disappointment uh uh of so many around the country that we didn't do even better in the House, that we didn't win the Senate uh and win some key governorships around the country where we had extraordinary candidates like uh Lisa Aldon and Christine Drazen in Oregon and Mark Ronchetti in New Mexico.
And for me, one of the enduring lessons uh of the election was that elections are about the future.
And the candidates that that we that we put forward that were truly focused on the future, on the challenges facing the American people today, with record uh record inflation and uh crisis at our border and gasoline prices through the roof and crime in our major cities.
The candidates that focused on the challenges today and solutions for the future did well.
But the candidates that were looking back, candidates that were focused on the past and relitigating the past didn't do as well.
And so I I think it's a it is a reminder to us that you know the American people want to see men and women in public life that are truly focused where they're focused on the needs of their family, the challenges that they're facing, and the opportunities that we have to put those same principles of the Trump Pence administration back into policy at every level for a boundless American future.
It it really is out there.
You can smell it, you can feel it, you can taste it, and we did it before, we'll do it again.
I mean, America's had you know, we've we went through a civil war, a revolutionary war, um we went through two world wars, my dad fought in World War II, um, and we went through 911, a depression.
I mean, I can I can mention all sorts of things that we've gone through as a country, and we always come out on the other side.
Um one thing that I'm I'm looking at, though, I'm seeing a country more divided and philosophically than I've ever seen.
I mean, I look at, for example, Raphael Warnock, I look at John Fetterman, I look at uh Mandela Barnes as the three most extreme candidates that I've ever covered in my lifetime.
Usually Democrats, if they had radical views, they kept it to themselves, and and that's why they would often try to pack the courts or use the courts to legislate from the bench.
Now they're just out there with these views.
How do we reconcile capitalism versus socialism?
How do you reconcile energy independence with no domestic energy production?
How do you reconcile defund, dismantle the police, no bail laws with law and order and safety and security?
How do you re how do you reconcile woke uh education versus classical education, reading, writing, math, science, history, and and computers?
Because I see the divide has never been this big.
Well, look, I I think our politics are more divided than at any time in my lifetime, but I'm not convinced the American people are as divided as our politics.
I mean, as I've traveled around the country, uh having returned home to Indiana now almost two years ago, um I'm more convinced than ever that uh there's more that unites us in this country than could ever divide us.
And chief among those things is our faith, our dedication to family, our our belief in freedom, and I think now we have the opportunity uh to step forward and articulate a vision for the American people that will unite us around those timeless American ideals.
But I think I think it's gonna take it's gonna take us uh producing candidates at every level that I'm sure we'll do, uh, that'll focus on those issues and appeal uh to those core values of the American people in new and in renewed ways.
We do that.
Uh not only will uh not only will Republicans win, but uh we'll win the future for every American.
I also believe that pain is a great awakener.
And I I think at some point when Americans get sick and tired of record high inflation and record high gas prices and wide open borders and you know record high crime rates.
I I think at some point there's a tipping point and they say this this just isn't working anymore.
You know, it sounded it sounded great.
Defund, dismantle, reimagine the police, but having men and women willing to put their lives on the line and protecting our cities and t and small towns, uh this there's no better solution than that.
That's right.
That's right.
Look, I think the American people know what makes this country strong and secure and prosperous.
We just gotta have government as good as our people again.
And and as I've said to you before, I think I think uh that in the days ahead, we need to not only stand strong on common sense conservative principles, which you've done every day of your broadcast life, and I've sought to do, and as I chronicle in in my book, So help me God.
Um but also I think I think we need to begin to articulate those in ways that that unite the American people around our highest ideals.
That we you know, you get outside of politics, Sean.
The people in this country actually get along pretty well.
I mean, that's you know, I'm back to shopping.
You haven't been out with me lately.
Half the country hates me, so but that's a different story.
Well, take a poll on me.
You'll find the same thing is true about the city.
I don't want to poll on any of us.
Uh let me ask you this.
People in this country can come together around our highest ideals, and we speak to those.
We'll speak to the future.
All right, Mr. Vice President.
Uh, if you could stay a few more moments, I have one more question.
I I really want this audience to hear this part of the book that you describe, a private meeting that you had towards the end of the administration with the president.
Uh, we'll get to that on the other side.
Uh Mike Pence's new book is out, so help me God.
It's in bookstores everywhere.
Uh, Amazon.com, Hannity.com, and uh we'll take a quick break, we'll come back, we'll continue more with the Vice President on the other side.
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I have one more question for uh former Vice President Mike Pence.
Uh his new book is out today.
It's called So Help Me God, and it's in bookstores all around the country, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, and uh, Mr. Vice President, as we continue.
There are over what the 52, 53 chapters I forget off the top of my head that you have in the book.
And I know in uh in almost every interview except the one you did with me, they only focused on on one topic.
And so I wanted to make our interview a little bit different.
But there's one part of that that intrigues me the most, and that is when all was said and done, and you know, after you went through this tough period, because I would argue, you know, up until the election of November 2020, uh, you worked as a phenomenal team.
That's what I saw.
And I know both you and President Trump for 30 years, but there was a private meeting between the two of you.
You discuss it in the book, and I think it's very insightful.
You want to tell us about it?
You bet.
And um First, let me just let me just affirm what you just said.
Look, uh, for four and a half years, I was always loyal to President Donald Trump.
He was not only my president, he was my friend.
And um, whenever we had disagreements, I I kept them in private, and I supported the president and his policies without fail.
Uh my only higher loyalty was to God and the Constitution, and that's what caused the clash, the confrontation on that tragic day in January.
But to your point, in the roughly five days after that, the president asked for an opportunity to meet with me.
He'd already said all the right things.
He'd uh condemned the violence, committed to a peaceful transfer of power, and in fact took time to address the nation and called for unity in America.
When I went down to the uh Oval Office, I couldn't help but think of that Bible verse that uh that says be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry.
But it was easier said than done because I d I was angry, Sean.
I was angry at what had happened.
I was uh uh I was angry at uh uh at many of the president's words and actions but I wanted to hear him out and um I went down to the Oval Office, walked back to that small dining room and there we spoke and um the president expressed concern for my wife and daughter um I told him they were fine we we I was candid with him in direct about my feelings about that day but um I also encouraged him to pray.
The president's told me many times that he's a believer, and I also told him that I was praying for him.
And in another meeting, he reflected, I think, a genuine sadness about what had happened.
I thought the president was genuinely remorseful about what had occurred, not just with regard to me, but at the Capitol itself.
And when I was leaving after a meeting a few days later, I told him I was praying for him again.
And he immediately was dismissive about it.
But as I was leaving the room, I looked at him as he sat at the end of the table, and I said, well, I guess there's two things we're probably always going to disagree on.
And he looked up wearily and said, what?
And I said, referring to our disagreement over my role on January 6th.
And then I said, I'm also never going to stop praying for you.
And he smiled faintly and looked at me and said, that's right.
Don't ever change.
And it was on that foundation that we parted amicably.
And for several months thereafter, we spoke every few weeks over the phone.
And I said, I'm not going to stop praying for you.
I'll always keep that promise to pray for our president and always be grateful to have been a part of what uh together we did for the American people.
Mr Vice President it the uh the we appreciate the time that you have given the show as always we you're always welcome on these airwaves uh Mike Pence former vice president Mike Pence his new book is out it's called So Help Me God it's in bookstores all across the country it's on Hannity.com Amazon.com and uh definitely worth a read and uh you are who you say you are you always have been and you've been very kind to me throughout all the years that I've known you and and we love having you on the program and
uh we'll talk soon.
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All right let's get to our busy phones as we say hi to Craig is in New York.
Craig Hi, how are you?
Glad you called how you doing Sean um yeah I was just wondering and I was hoping that maybe you could sit down you talk to a lot of the senators maybe you could sit down with a couple of the senators and ask them to go over and talk to man.
Now is a perfect time.
He's mad about not getting the pipeline he's mad about how they stabbed him in the back.
Maybe they could bring him over to the Republican Party and they could put enough money behind Walker in order to push that race toward the Republicans and that that would kill the Democrats.
They'd be jumping out windows.
They they'd they it would make like fourth of July look like a kid throwing a fire cracker.
It would be the greatest thing in the world if they could do something like that.
Is there any chance that you could talk to them about that.
Listen uh the answer is I think it's more viable than it's ever been number one is coming up for reelection I believe in the next cycle number two when he was when he was standing up to Biden And the radical socialist democrats, he was never more popular in his home state of West Virginia.
When he gave in on the tax the rich, I'm sorry, tax the poor, tax the middle class and and tax people on fixed income uh inflation reduction act, his his approval ratings plummeted.
You know, at the end of this recent campaign cycle, Joe Biden came out and said we're done with coal.
Well, that destroys the economy of Joe Manchin State.
No one's building new coal plants because they can't rely on it.
Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant.
So it's going to become a win generation.
And all they're doing is you're gonna save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that transmitted the coal fire electric on.
We're gonna be shutting these plants down all across America.
Uh and Joe Manchin was livid about the comments.
Then then Biden went even further and said he's gonna end all drilling in America.
No more drilling.
There is no more drilling.
I haven't got form any new new drilling.
More years of optionality.
No, I planning for the Pacific button in the United States and all the local New Mexico Mexico.
That was before I was president.
We're trying to work on that, get that done.
Uh, which means, you know, it's a disaster because we're all gonna be paying massive rates for the lifeblood of the world's economy, our own economy, and ignore our our very own resources here at home and ignore the fact that we do a cleaner, faster, and cheaper.
So is there an opportunity?
And one other thing, he was promised something when he went along with Schumer and Biden.
He was promised a pipeline.
That would pipeline was to benefit the people of West Virginia.
That pipeline is never gonna happen.
And so they offered something that they didn't deliver on.
And I think if I'm Joe Manchin, I am apoplectic at all of it.
And I think what he's probably gonna wait for are the results out of Georgia.
This is why this race with Herschel Walker is critical.
I mean, because if we're 50-50, Joe Manchin can walk into the Oval Office, you know, invite Chuck Schumer to come in with him and say, You guys didn't keep your word, you guys lied to me.
Joe, you're gonna you're gonna you're now the enemy of of the economy of my state, and I'm leaving this party.
I'll see you later, and then walk out.
And he could do that in two seconds, and I'm and say, I'm gonna go announce uh and hold the press conference that I am switching parties and I am leaving your party, and you pushed me out, both of you, because you're dishonest, you lied to me, and you lied to the people of my state, and I'm not gonna take it anymore.
I agree hundred percent, sir.
That's what I do.
Anyway, appreciate you uh being with us.
Uh Dan in Arizona.
Dan, how are you?
Glad uh you're with us.
Hey, Sean, it's an honor to talk to you.
Um listen to you every day.
I'm uh 57-year-old, 57-year-old truck driver, Arizona native, uh independent conservative.
And I I'm just totally upset, dismayed and angry with everything that's been going on here in Arizona.
I remember Arizona when it was a conservative state.
We've had an influx of Californians coming in here with their politics and people from who knows where else with their politics, and this state isn't what it used to be.
And I I'm upset at the voters that they didn't pay attention to we we've got illegals being dropped off in our street.
We've got drug cartel members having shootouts on ITN.
We've got home invasions, we've got car car theft, uh, you know we we've had all kinds of stuff.
I live in a little bedroom community out of Phoenix, Kalawatuke.
They've dropped busloads of illegals off at hotels out there, and nobody seems to remember this stuff.
And they they vote the Democrats in.
We have an element of society that gets their news blurbs off these little five-second things off of CNN and MSNBC.
They're not getting the full story from Fox News or uh or other conservative reporters.
And it it's just frustrating to me to sit back and see this happening.
Now we're blessed with a trifecta of ignorance and incompetence.
Katie Hobbs, governor, Mark Kelly, Senator, and Joe Biden president.
That is an optimistic uh message.
Look, I I wish I could tell you that these issues are gonna be resolved.
They're not.
You know, what what what the Republicans now can do with the majority in the House can't be understated, though.
And and this will help a lot.
Um, because they can now challenge Mayorcus on the issues.
I mean, you're not going to impeach him because the Democrats, you know, even and you know, with the 50-50 cent, it's going to be impossible.
However, they can now they have the investigative subpoena power to get to the bottom of how it is this administration is not enforcing the laws of the land.
Uh, and not only that, they're offering preferential treatment to illegal immigrants.
Uh they are violating the law, not enforcing, you know, a sanctuary state, sanctuary city by its very nature, is in violation of our laws.
It's it's you know, you're not allowed to enter this country illegally, it's illegal.
You know, that's it.
It's simple.
But anyway, and then of course you have the human trafficking aspect of it.
You know, you come in, you get no COVID checks, you get no uh uh you get no background check, uh, you get a free Biden phone, then you get free transportation to any one of the you know 48 states in the continental U.S. And and that system, Joe plans to continue, but it's gotta be stopped.
And the way I think it's gonna happen is I think that all these people now are gonna be called in and held accountable, and I think that the hearings rightfully will expose this for as for what it is, and that is institutionalizing law breaking.
And I I think there's gonna be great power there for the Republicans with this majority now in the House, and um I'm glad that they have it.
Uh that's why, you know, for those people that are disappointed that a lot of these swing states didn't go the Republicans' way.
Um, sure, I would have preferred to go that they go the other way.
Um the only thing I can say is I knew at the beginning of this election cycle that these were all bellwether swing states, and none of them were gonna be easy to win.
So um you gotta you gotta take your wins where you can get them and then hold these people accountable.
And I think now the House is gonna go head headstrong right into all of these issues.
The power to subpoena, the power of the purse are the two biggest weapons that the Republicans have in the House, and I would anticipate that they're gonna use it.
And so that that is um that's good for the country, because we need to resolve these issues.
Um anyway, I listen, I wish I had better words.
How are you doing in your trucking business, by the way?
And I I'm worried about all you guys and the price you're paying for diesel.
If you can even find the diesel, uh there is a shortage now nationwide that is getting scary.
We're starting to feel the pinch because the housing housing uh is slowing down, and I haul construction equipment.
So it's starting to put the kibosh on us a little bit with the interest rates going up on housing.
Listen, uh, what did I say would happen?
And I I predicted it over a year ago.
I said, watch what happens.
New home construction will come to a screeching halt.
Uh the next step, the next shoot and drop is is gonna be sales of pre-existing homes.
That'll come to a screeching halt.
That has now happened, except for some there are some exceptions in states that have you know all these this mass migration I keep talking about, or accelerated migration, people leaving blue states that are conservative and moving to red states, uh they will fare so much better, and and home prices have plummeted, and we've lost billions of dollars in valuations for people's homes, which end up being their biggest investment, and add that to the bad stock market, and it's not good.
Anyway, I appreciate the call.
Listen, thanks for what you do also.
I mean, it's uh now do you uh do you have an 18-wheeler or a flatbed?
What do you got?
It's an 18-wheeler, and I also have a uh a big uh big low boy for hauling uh I I can gross out anywhere from 80 to 125,000.
So I know people in the trucking business that have decided to sit it out until the business gets better and it it becomes more profitable.
I I and it's sad to see.
Uh but supply and demand now will will drive up the prices of of what you guys can charge.
You cannot absorb the high cost, uh, especially independent operators, the high cost of diesel and and do routes and not make any money.
And if people are not making money, they're not gonna stay in business.
That bunch I can tell you.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
Uh hang in there, buddy.
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