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Dec. 29, 2022 - Sean Hannity Show
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FBI Whistleblowers - December 28th, Hour 3
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This is the Sean Hannity show, and I don't sound like Sean Hannity, because this is Louis Gomert.
But I'm delighted to be sharing the afternoon with you.
We've got uh great guests, great callers, uh number to call not um 800 941 800-9417326.
We have a guest now.
Uh we've been communicating for a while, and I greatly appreciate his concern for freedom in America.
He is the author of the FBI whistleblower handbook, a guide to fighting retaliation in the FBI's disastrous equal employment opportunity and whistleblower process.
And he's here to discuss our FBI, D.O.J. and his observations.
He is a he has got lots of clients who are whistleblowers, and we want to welcome Kurt Suznak to the Sean Handy show.
Welcome, Kurt.
Sure, it's quite an honor.
Thank you very much.
Well, it's my honor because of the way you have fought for quality FBI agents who have been trying to follow their oaths and keep their uh keep their job while they're following their oaths, and that can sometimes be difficult, especially with some of the things that you've seen.
Um, why don't you you you've got numerous clients that you've tried to help.
You have been an FBI agent, you know what it's like.
And and by the way, uh I uh saw the article, uh your article, let's see.
Kurt Susak, a prosecutor and former FBI agent said he left the bureau after nearly 25 years because FBI leaders aren't being held accountable.
And uh that uh uh FBI agents apparently were questioning uh Christopher Ray's uh leadership, and then I saw that uh the FBI agents association, as I understand they claim they have 90% of FBI agents who uh they represent, and they said, Oh no, everything's hunky-dory at the FBI.
Christopher Ray is a great leader, and I would agree with that.
I think he is a fantastic leader if you think that it's good in order to clean up an organization to just sweep everything under the floor, uh under the rug, because I feel like that's what he's done.
He has swept things under the rug, and he has not been honest and forthcoming, in my opinion.
Uh, but let's let's hear from you.
You've got so many different clients.
Uh how about telling us about the situation with the SCIF on the seventh floor where the director and the uh deputy director of the FBI are located.
I will tell you that.
It's uh inside the seventh floor, which is the headquarters of the FBI at the Hoover building, they have what's called the SCIF, a compartmentalized area where basically secrets are transacted.
You can talk about secrets, but there's restrictions to that.
One is you're not allowed to have cell phones, you can't have electronic ear.
It's basically supposed to be a clean area where the secrets are are kept safe.
And my clients and I have the most clients in the world.
And actually Kurt, we have those skiffs like that over on Capitol Hill.
There's a few of those there.
But the one that is in the headquarters of the FBI has got to be one of the most crucial skiffs where things really are so important that they kept be kept top secret.
I I I think that is really a distinction.
This isn't just a regular skiff like I've been in Skiffs overseas and at a State Department or an embassy.
This is the headquarters of the FBI.
Our uppermost secrets are are are taken on there.
Well that's where they talk about the names of informants.
They will talk about the most secret the highest secrets in the government and meanwhile you have the deputy director and you have other people that have cell phones inside that SCIF which is an outrage.
Now they are they this came to me from agents within the FBI.
I uh I represent probably I don't know 30 to 50 percent of the whistleblowers have come forward because they I know quite a few people in the FBI but these agents came forward and said they were actually doing the sweeps to protect and make sure there were no phones and the whole place was loaded with electronic devices.
That's an outrage.
That's a breach of national security.
Well, and actually, if I recall the scenario correctly, you had people that complained that there were people with cell phones and there was Wi-Fi in the skiff, and that was in the headquarters area.
And then the deputy FBI director came out and condemned you that that was not true.
And then you had people that were whistleblowers that said, wait, wait, wait, the deputy director is lying because our judgements.
job is to make sure it is secured and we can verify it is not secure on that top level the seventh floor of the FBI isn't that about the way it happened.
Correct.
Yeah and here's the thing these aren't these aren't just people off the street you've met you've met and you've talked to some of these are highly credible FBI agents with someone with decades of experience to come to me because I have 24 years in the Bureau and I know the policies I know the procedures and they've complained about this.
I mean this is this is not just an FBI headquarters.
The FBI has shown an ability to completely disregard rules and procedures relates to themselves.
Yeah they will prosecute people they will go after people but when it comes to themselves they went I think even with Trump they were there was an issue with national security.
Well a bigger issue in national security is inside FBI headquarters inside the room where where Ray and where Paul well B the deputy director are where they have that and it's completely exposed.
So you could have a spy next door just listening in.
And one of my thoughts was with the with regard to the documents at Marlago Trump wants to secure documents that show exactly how the lies were created about the Russia collusion he does not want those documents destroyed.
And and then we we know that there were FBI agents complicit in setting him up and and getting a warrant illegally and so I would put my money on those documents regarding Russia collusion being safer at Mar Lago and Trump's hands than they would be at the FBI but where it would implicate some of them in what I believe are crimes.
But you've also, many of us in Congress have talked, well, we were hoping it was mainly there at the headquarters where our problems were.
But you've got whistleblowers like west of the Mississippi where you had prosecutors, federal prosecutors that wanted FBI agents to sign affidavits.
And you lay out the way.
it was as I understand they wanted them to sign a false affidavit to get a warrant two agents were asked to sign an affidavit they did did not agree with they did they they they believed they that the Afid was affidavit was wrong.
This is gone before Congress already as a protected disclosure.
the supervisor refused to have to force these agents to sign that those those um warrants and the supervisor was removed.
He was put under a performance plan, attempted to put under a performance plan.
He was removed from his job, he was removed from the state.
He was um subject to um a letter of requirement.
They were tempted to get that.
They attempted to put him under OPR for internal discipline.
This everything here happened immediately after he said I won't have my agent sign a false document.
Under oath.
Under oath.
I mean the SSC in in in Salt Lake should be removed.
Yeah that's they in the ASAC there, Crawford and Rice, they should be immediately removed for even considering that.
That's the that's the prime mission of FBI is to tell the truth.
Exactly.
Now I've heard from FBI agents I've talked to who say, you know, when they hear from Christopher Ray, spoken to them, deputy director spoken to them, and they're always talking about you've got to protect the brand, that they don't ever come out and say you have got to be a hundred percent honest in everything you do,
and everybody that hears them say you gotta protect the brand know that they're saying don't you dare file a whistleblower account of anything.
You protect the blan the the brand by just keeping it to yourself and don't let these bad things out because they're gonna come after you if you hurt the brand by telling the truth while they're being dishonest.
Is that in a inaccurate?
I will tell you, I will tell you that in over in the Newark field office, four agents actually filed complaints against one agent who actually did a drug buy.
This informant stole drugs, and then the four agents complained because that that other agent went out and had the informant buy other drugs and put it in the evidence vault.
And when and the four agents complained, one of the eight all one or two of them was accused of false statements, they were removed from their jobs, they were threatened with termination, they were so threatened.
Well, this is still going on.
This case is this is a racketeering case.
And what and what they did, I looked at the file this afternoon, and I could see no information that the FBI actually disclosed to the federal judge over in Newark that in fact um that there were four agents to a highly credible decades of experience who were in drug cases who said this guy did something, he he made a false statement when he put that those drugs into evidence.
They didn't it does not look like to date they've disclosed that to the federal judge, and there's eight African Americans from the Marion Housing Project that are sitting in jail waiting for a trial or for sentencing be um based on what uh drugs that actually an agent illegally bought, and nothing's been done about it.
And here's the thing the agents begged he they begged director Ray to intervene.
They begged the deputy director to intervene.
Ray knew about it, did nothing.
Yeah, nothing.
Well, that it was a horror show.
Well, and actually for people that don't know, back several years ago, uh Ray was quoted as saying, you know, in effect that Mueller and Comey were his, you know, his heroes.
He wanted to be anywhere they were.
That should have told you all you needed to know.
But uh also, haven't there been allegations of sexual improprieties and favoritism in the headquarters?
Sir, I I had when w uh one of the reasons I began doing this work is because a friend of mine one day broke down and told me that she was actually physically assaulted inside the inside the FBI headquarters.
Now, I I represent FBI employees, I represent FBI agents, the most credible people in the world.
I'm not saying this from information that isn't been presented to Congress.
Right now we have it's oh, I'll go back to the Newark office.
There was one agent in Newark who had the nickname the rapist.
I found this out because I walked into Newark on another case, and one of the agents walked in and told the person at the desk, hey, where's the rapist?
Now, this guy was accused of of basically like four to six counts of sexual harassment going after women.
I was uh involved in another case with with the same guy was involved where um where they were where basically the EAP counselor was sending intimate objects to a woman who had been sexually uh been been subject to sexual discrimination.
Right now, I would bet thirty to fifty percent of my cases involve women who are being harassed, and even worse, the going to Louisville, where you have SAC Jody Cohn and you have um another ASAC out there.
What they're doing is one woman was subject to a domestic violence, and they're trying and and and after they came to an agreement with this woman, they try are now trying to fire her because she's a threat to national security.
Worse yet, in that office, they had a guy who was arrested.
Male agent was arrested, and he never for domestic violence, she never lost his gun.
They're targeting a victim of domestic violence, even though the national director of intelligence has said any type of domestic violence isn't an issue related to whether you keep a national security.
It's impossible.
You don't want a female agent to shoot her husband because he's afraid of losing her job.
Right.
And time after time, you show it no, this would not happen in any other company.
This wouldn't happen in any other agency.
The FBI is the most powerful agency in the country and probably the world right now.
They have the electronics, they have the capability of hurting people.
Yes, they do, and they have.
And I've had numerous FBI agents say, remember back in the 80s and 90s when if we were dealing with somebody who is nonviolent, especially had no criminal history, we would call them or their lawyer and say you report to the jail at this time or that.
There was no knocking down doors in the middle of the night and dragging them out in their underwear for the media that they'd alerted to be there to film it.
Uh this is so outrageous.
Uh, there was most of my life as a former prosecutor and judge and chief justice, where I would have put my life in the hands of the FBI agents I knew.
But I'm telling you, Kurt, uh, now if an FBI agent comes to somebody, I would suggest do not talk to them without a lawyer.
You don't know if you can trust them.
But Kurt, thank you for all your work.
I hear the music and underlying what how can people follow you?
You can go my name's Kurt Suzdak.
If you're an FBI agent and you have issues, please look me up and give me a call.
I represent FBI agents in um in their issues with with the government itself.
So I represent the best employees in the world.
Well, thank you so much for all your work, Kurt, and trying to clean up the FBI.
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Um Jim, you're on the Sean Hannity show with Louis Gomer.
What's your what's your comment?
Hey, Mr. Gomer, thank you for taking my call.
Yeah, the uh FBI and the State Department clearances aren't worth the paper they were written on.
I I worked as a contractor out of that skiff you guys were just talking about.
And I ran translation teams for them, and we had a really difficult language.
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This is the Sean Hannity Show.
This is Louis Gomert sitting in.
And I am delighted to have a friend and a senator both uh named Ron Paul.
I'm sorry.
Rand uh Rand.
I was just reading some and it mentioned that your father was Ron.
And Ron and I overlapped uh a term, but Senator Rand Paul, I am so grateful for your work on uh that 1.7 trillion dollar atrocity that we voted on, and we didn't even have the hard copy in the lobby there for us to check out.
So thanks for the work you've done, and thanks for being on Sean Hannity's show.
Well, thanks for having me, Louie.
Uh, the uh 1.7 trillion dollar omni spending bill was an atrocity.
4,155 pages.
They released it at 130 in the morning.
It's full of, I think, 7,000 earmarks.
I mean, all kinds of craziness.
Uh we're still sorting through the spending from the previous year, but in the previous year's bill, we actually found recently 2.4 million spent to inject uh beagles with cocaine, which is kind of ridiculous.
The purpose was to see if cocaine would had adverse side effects.
And it's like really we got enough dumb humans uh injecting themselves and taking cocaine to know that.
No kidding.
But uh another one was 118,000 they spent studying Marvel Comics.
There's a guy named Thanos who's the evil warlord.
They wanted to know if they had a human with metal hands or a robot, if he snapped his fingers, he could make the snapping sound.
And lo and behold, they hired some dude, he wore metal gloves and he could not make the snapping sound.
No kidding.
Um all kinds of points.
Well now, did you not want to uh participate in the eleven thousand square foot spa uh from COVID relief funds?
I mean, that sounds like that could be nice, Rand.
Yeah, I mean, there's all kinds of crazy things they put in there.
And the thing is is they want you to think that this is about widows and orphans.
No, this is about pork and uh Large S and it's about giving your friends special favors.
But really what ends up happening is we add to the debt.
This bill we passed, not that we that they passed, you and I voted against it, but this bill uh adds over a trillion dollars to the debt.
We're at thirty-one trillion dollars, and when the Fed buys that debt, they create new money, and that's where inflation comes from.
And so the same people they say they're gonna try to help the working class, the poor, senior citizens, are really the ones getting creamed by the inflation they're creating through all this debt.
Well, and I know we say it so often, but it is so true.
I mean, how hard the future generations are gonna have to work to pay for that trillion dollars we just added to their debt along with the interest and and all that gets added on in the meantime, it is really just immoral to be packing on that kind of debt to future generations.
Yeah, our interest is now about four hundred billion, but it's projected to be over a trillion within a decade, a trillion dollars a year in interest, and that interest will push out everything.
Uh, you know, even the things that we think uh government should be doing, like providing for national defense, all of that is going to be pushed out of the way by interest and inflation.
And we've got real problems.
I also think that someday that it's not just uh a matter of, yeah, grandkids will pay for this, it's a matter of will the currency in the country last.
I think our biggest threat really isn't from without.
It's not an enemy invading our shores.
It's really from within.
It's the destruction of the currency that goes along with such prolonged and profound debt.
Yeah, and there are countries that uh would love to eliminate the dollar as the international currency.
And if that happens, then you're gonna see big trouble here as you know.
Yeah, and I think we've been lucky for many, many years.
One of our biggest exports is dollars.
Because we buy more goods from China than we sell to China.
Basically, we export our dollars to China and around the world to most of the rest of the world.
We have a trade deficit, but that means we have a trade surplus in dollars that we send to them.
But by doing that, the money that's created here doesn't always chase our goods, it chases goods around the world.
So in some ways we're able to have less inflation than probably we would have if we weren't the reserve currency.
And we don't get to sort of do that just because we want to.
It's an historic thing, but there is a time in which you're right.
Other countries and already, China, Iran, Russia, they're all trying to do business, North Korea do business outside of the dollar.
And we are dominant, but there is a time coming, and we don't change our ways.
I mean, I I compared in a speech on the spending bill on the floor, us to Europe.
And we all think of Europe as being big government, more social us, but fifteen out of twenty-six European countries actually balance their annual budget.
Yeah.
They have bit welfare states, but they actually balance their budget and they don't run deficits.
Well, and and people should recall Greece has had tremendous trouble.
Uh and our debt to GDP uh ratio uh actually kind of mirrors where Greece was.
The difference is we have our dollar.
They couldn't control the Euro and ours is international currency.
But we could find ourselves if some of our enemies convince other nations to eliminate the dollar as international currency because they just can't trust us up, then it will put us in a situation where we won't be able to pay our debts.
This is serious stuff.
There's a day of reckoning coming and I tell people all the time, particularly Democrats but also a lot of big government Republicans, it's one thing to give money to other countries if you ran a surplus and said, well, we want to help Ukraine or we want to help this country or we want to send 40 billion dollars not just to Ukraine but to other poor countries around the world.
So Ukraine plus the rest of the foreign aid is about 80 billion a year now.
If we wanted to send that it was out of a surplus it would at least be a debatable point.
But to borrow that money from China to send it to Ukraine makes us all weaker.
You know Ukraine's loving getting all the free money.
We're paying for the pensions for their government workers.
They love all that but at the same time it's making us a weaker country and someday we won't be a reliable ally to anyone if we're bankrupt.
Yeah and I was seeing a headline earlier today that Democratic control states are worried they're not going to be able to pay off their pensions.
Well that's what happens when you spend more money than you've got and nobody has been more of a warrior on this issue than you have, Rand.
Well we've got to continue the fight and I guess my biggest frustration in Washington now is not Democrats so much.
Not one of them says they care about the debt.
They run on a big government platform.
They run on debt but Republicans uniformly run and say you know Obama was spending too much and borrowing too much and then many of those same Republicans get up there and then they vote with the Democrats.
You know this big spending bill wouldn't have happened had Republicans not chosen to work with the Democrats and we had 18 Republicans.
We actually had more you know Republicans vote for it in the Senate and as a percentage we had about I guess about 40% of Republicans whereas in the House you guys only had probably one or two percent of the Republicans vote for this thing.
Yeah and well and I know there is a tendency when people are outgoing in the House or the Senate well this is the only time I'll ever be leaving so what's wrong with taking half a billion dollars for my special projects on my way out.
I'm only doing it once except there are people leaving every two years that are trying to do that.
Yeah they also make the argument they say well the reason we do this is we don't have enough senators we only you know we're in the minority but if people will recall all it takes is 41.
If we have 41 we can sustain a filibuster and then we have the room to to negotiate.
And we could have used that leverage to negotiate uh much less spending instead the leaders of the Senate came back and said oh it's great we got more military spending we got 45 billion dollars more in military and oh well we're also sending that to Ukraine as well but the thing is is we got 45 billion more in spending but in order to get that the Democrats had to get spending too they got more welfare spending.
So it's really a combination of both right and left it really is an unholy alliance.
It's a compromise between both sides and really there's uh there's bipartisan blame to go around as far as the goes.
There really is and and of course uh the old gimmick in the Senate is well I voted against the bill and yet uh they voted for cloture or it would never have come to a vote uh where they could vote no if they had voted no on closure it would not have even come.
Well and in this case they voted but they voted yes on both.
So the 18 Republicans really voted yes on both of these and it and it's inexcusable and this is the question I posed to them is I said look I believe in a strong national defense.
I think it's the number one priority for the U.S. But at the same time are we better off and more secure as a nation to add 45 billion more to military spending or would we be better off lessening the trillion dollar deficit that we have and frankly I think right now that the deficit in the debt is a bigger threat than foreign invasion.
We have a very strong military we spend more on the military than the next ten countries combined.
So it's not like we're chintzing out.
We have a strong, we have the best military in the world, and I'm all for it.
But it can't be an unlimited check to the military nor to nor for welfare.
It really has to be uh some frugality on both sides.
And we gave up any leverage to help secure the border.
And and as Scalia told me years ago, you said don't come running over to Supreme Court.
You guys have the full authority to defund anything.
You don't you shouldn't even come to us.
We you know, you've got the power to take care of that yourself, and we haven't.
The good news is the good news is uh the omni spending bill did have border security.
The bad news it just wasn't our border.
That is the bad news.
I think there's uh several other countries that were working on uh their border, but not ours.
Yes, and that's terribly unfortunate.
Well, any other comments you want to leave with people uh as we approach the new year.
I think the one thing that we have to realize and remember is that we have a great country.
It's a country with the engine of capitalism that's created so much wealth.
Even with all the problems we have, you you go around our country and you see just phenomenal success.
People have to know that that came from something.
It came from our economic system, it came from freedom, voluntarism, trade.
And uh we can't succumb to this idea we're gonna you can get something for nothing, and that socialism would be a good experiment.
And it really has to penetrate to the young children because the young children are being taught, most of them in the government schools that capitalism is terrible, that wealth is bad, that work is bad, and uh this is a big generational problem we face, and it's just like Jefferson said, we're always just one generation away from losing it.
And so uh thank goodness for people like you and also for Sean Hannity or leading the good fight.
Well, thank you.
And I love the title of your report on this uh 1.7 trillion, the festivus report.
People can go online and find what you had brought out and confront their uh representative, their senator about it.
But that's festivus for the rest of us.
Uh but thank you, Rand.
Thanks for all your work, man.
Thanks for having me, Louie.
All right.
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This is Louis Gomert.
And uh, we've got a number of people that have called and our time is running short.
We have Russ from Rhode Island that had asked, when did the federal government get a free pass to print endless money?
Well, let me tell you what I was told at a meeting with the Fed some years back.
I said, How much more money are we printing now than we did, say 10, 20 years ago?
And he said, Oh, we're printing it's not too much different than what it was back then.
I said, But there's so much more money in the system.
And he said, Oh, we couldn't possibly print all the money we are creating.
They're not even bothering to print it anymore.
They're just adding digits to the system.
That is a little scary, and I'm glad you're asking the question, Russ, because it means you're thinking.
We had Tom from New Jersey.
What leverage will House have concerning debt ceiling in the new year?
Let me tell you, uh the House will have some leverage, but it's a matter of just saying we're not voting for a bill that doesn't control uh our debt.
And on the debt ceiling, it seems even Republicans in the past have looked for a way that they wouldn't have to to cast uh a vote on that issue.
So make sure you let your representatives know uh how you feel because they're sensitive to that, I can tell you.
And Kim in California, what can we do as taxpayers if we're not being represented properly?
Well, it's been amazing.
There are districts that got turned this time last election or came close to it, so that gives me a lot of hope.
That can still happen.
More people need to get active to make that happen.
But let me just tell you, God has blessed America more than any country.
I I think more than Solomon's Israel, even we got more opportunities, more assets individually.
But whether he continues to bless us in the future is in our hands.
Well, there are the rules out there.
It's it's the way you uh accord yourself and you'll be blessed.
We need to do that.
And people have got to use their heads and quit relying and trusting so much on government.
Ask questions.
But but I can tell you, it helps if you do your homework before you ask questions.
Don't just listen to somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about and then contact the government official and say, uh, I know this.
Well, make sure you do your homework and you know.
And look, those that have said, look, you ought to run for this or that.
Let me tell you, I'm not running for president.
I don't have, I'm bald, and we won't elect another bald president.
So let's get after the people we have that are representing us and demand honesty, truth, and that includes from the FBI and the DOJ.
God bless you.
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