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Dec. 21, 2022 - Sean Hannity Show
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DOJ Falling Apart - December 20th, Hour 3
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Hey, welcome back to Hannity.
This is Jordan Secular from the ACLJ.
I've been co-hosting Sean's show with my dad Jay Secular, our chief counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice.
We're about to be joined by Congressman Jim Jordan, but we have breaking news to announce right now on Hannity.
President Zelinski of Ukraine will be in Washington tomorrow.
I mean as he's traveling right now uh to meet with Congress and we know now President Biden's just now breaking, and we've got Congressman Jim Jordan who's joining us right now.
Yeah, Congressman, this is Jay.
I wanted to ask you if if I I don't know how much advanced notice you all had on this, but what what's your read on the situation with President Zelensky arriving in the United States?
No, I we just found out about it a couple minutes ago uh as well.
So uh you know, I'll be there.
Um look, there's a there's a bunch of money in this this crazy omnibus bill for Ukraine.
I think I think when I saw 40 some billion uh dollars, so I I don't know if there's any connection to that or not.
You know, who knows?
What I do know is I'm I'm tired of sending all American tax dollars to Ukraine.
We we understand and we support Ukraine and and and we understand that that President Zelensky is is one brave leader uh and that Putin is the aggressor here, but but come on, Europe needs to step up and pay for this, uh not the American taxpayer, particularly when we got the the debt burden we have and and uh and the interest payments that we've now seen in the first two months of this fiscal year.
You're right.
So anyway, we'll we'll we'll see, but I'll I I know I know as much as you do right now.
Yeah, I you know it's it's interesting you said the thing about the the Europeans because we have an office at uh in Strasbourg, France, we have a European Center for Law and Justice, and the ECLJ has been looking at the issues, and the question that arises is why is not Europe stepping up?
They're the ones that are gonna have the heating oil shortage, they're the one with the grain shortage that's gonna be because of what's happening uh in Ukraine.
And again, the United States having to lead all the way with barely participation by I mean it's it's not that it's insignificant, but it's nowhere near the percentage that the US is giving.
But we want to get right to uh some other news that uh your your former colleague Devin Yunez, um, who headed up the intelligence committee finds out, and and we've now found out that staffers, that while the Department of Justice, and we know this had spied on the former president's campaign,
and when you all in Congress began to expose what they were doing, then DOJ under Robert Moeller, during the special council probe, uh decides that they would spy on you all, or at least your staffs, uh, and the staff's on the intelligence committee, uh, because you know, you were about to find out what they were up to.
What's your reaction Devon is is uh no uh obviously concerned as is his staff, but I think this it's a horrible violation of separation of powers.
But your reaction to this.
Well, it shouldn't surprise us in my what we've learned about with the DOJ and how political they've become.
Um Devon was on TV last night, I thought he did a great job, but he talked about they were spying on he thinks his lawyers and and some of his staffers there on the intel committee, uh looking at their emails, looking at their phone records, uh is is my understanding.
Rod Rosenstein had to approve this, I assume.
Um remember the timing here, guys.
This uh Jay, this was when remember Devin released a memo.
It didn't get released until January of eighteen.
But he was working on that memo.
And so my understanding is when this spying took place is when they realized he was putting together this memo that was going to expose what they did at the FIFA court, what they did with the dossier, what they did on spying on President Trump's campaign, and that's when they went in and spied on his staff.
So the timing I think is is is hugely significant.
Um this just this just adds more more reason why we have to investigate the DOJ, why we have to find every find out every fact, every truth, and get it to the American people because they've become so political and they're operating in a political fashion.
You couple this with what we learned from the Twitter files, what we already knew about the 14 whistleblowers who've come talk to us from the from the FBI.
Uh it just underscores how bad that place is and why they need to investigate.
Congressman Jordan, we said before uh the break before this that we we we were just so excited that the House went Republican, and one of those reasons is to get you re empowered as a committee chair to investigate this this kind of information.
And and we look at this, the subpoenas that were obtained by uh just the news.
Uh Sean's friends over there and our friends at just the news show that the DOJ went to Google and said, turn uh turn over personal email, personal phone data from senior staffers.
This is this again, uh it should send a shockwave through the American people that we're seeing again yet another example of the tech industry working in line with like they are subsidiary of our law enforc federal law enforcement.
Yeah.
They ran an information operation.
If you look back in 2020 and focus on just the Hunter Biden story, they ran a misinformation operation on we the people.
You know, remember those 59 former Intel officials, uh uh 51, excuse me, a former Intel officials sent that letter saying, Oh, this the Hunter Biden story has all the earmarks, classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
Well, the truth is they, big tech, big government, big media ran an information operation, misinformation operation, on the American people, on we the people, on the citizens, literally days before, weeks before the most important election we have, election for president of the United States.
That is what is so frightening, what is so egregious, what is so such a violation of the First Amendment.
Uh, again, underscoring why we have to do everything we can to get the truth to the country, because you can't stop this stuff if you first don't fully expose it, and that's what we're committed to doing.
You know, the only reason, uh, Congressman that we know this happened was that Google had a policy that when they had a request or subpoena for documents of a customer, in this case the two stappers with um the Congressman, then Congressman Nunez, that they wait five years.
So this was in 2017 before they let the customer know, hey, by the way, I mean, can you imagine this?
By the way, five years ago, your documents were requested by the United States Department of Justice and the criminal probe by special counsel Robert Mueller.
I mean, uh it's it's mind boggling, but that's the way it's set up.
But the with the timing and believe me, and you know this, I know the timing because I lived it.
Uh and Jordan and I worked that case uh from beginning to end.
The fact of the matter is the thing that I'm concerned about is the Department of Justice thinking they can react to oversight by going after members of Congress or their staffs, I mean, especially a lawyer and investigator, and thinking they could have basically a free-for-all uh and do what they want as and if you remember Rod Rosenstein in a meeting shortly as this was going on,
made the statement that he was going to, if this happens, if if Congress continue this investigation, there's going to be an investigation of Congress.
And lo and behold, Congressman, he did it.
They did it.
Um I'm wondering, you know, there's uh there was some one news account I think it talks about this.
I'm wondering, did Paul Ryan know about this?
Did the speaker then know about this?
Because there was always when you go clear back to, I think the Jefferson, when William Jefferson had the cash in uh that that they're supposed to at least inform the the speaker of the House if they're doing something relative to a separate and equal branch of government, i.e.
the legislative branch, um, did he know?
And it because I I I mean, uh I don't know that, but this is wrong regardless of whether they told him or not.
This is as wrong as it gets.
And it I don't know if it was done for retribution, if it was done to find out what Devin was going to release in the memo, or probably both.
I mean, it could it could have been both reasons, but any or all of those reasons are wrong.
It should have never happened.
Congressman Jordan, what can we do about this now?
What can when you come back in January and you are in the in the majority and a chairman of a committee, what can you do about this now?
I mean, whether it's the origins of COVID, whether it's these breaking stories that we're just learning about with the DOJ uh subpoenaing this information from Google on independent staffers.
What can uh Congress and House Republicans do?
Well, the the the big thing you have is you have the ability to compel people to come testify.
So we've sent countless letters, we've asked preserve documents, we've asked to preserve information, we've asked people to come in and talk.
We basically get the you know, the uh we get the you know, no we're not common, we get we get nothing from people.
Well, in the majority, you have greater ability to get them there because you can subpoena folks, and some people you will subpoena uh are aren't people in government.
So you're it's a real good chance that you get those.
On the on on the Fauci COVID issue and the origin issue of that and all the things that that I think they told us that weren't accurate.
Um we really want to start with these 11 virologists who were on that that initial phone call, that conference call that Fauci and Collins have on February 1st, 2020, when I think they got these virologists on the call and got everyone to get their stories straight.
Get their stories straight on where this thing started, get their story straight on on telling people it wasn't gain of function when we know it was, uh or sure looks like it was.
So those are the people we want to start with on that investigation, those eleven people.
And then of course on the on the DOJ, you want to start with Elvis Chan, you want to start with Tim Tebolt, um, this guy who's left the FBI, who was uh both a whistleblower that went to Senator Grassley said T Bolt was one of the guys at the FBI involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden story.
We had a different whistleblower come talk to our office and tell us Timothy T Bolt is involved in just the overall political nature of the Washington Field office.
So we want to start with that guy uh on the uh on the political nature of the Justice Department investigation.
Let me talk about investigations that became political, and that's the January 6th committee issued their report yesterday.
I I've said this before, I'm gonna say it again, and and this is my view on this.
What happened on January 6th obviously was horrific.
Uh but the Department of Justice, if they're pursuing a crime, can't base it on hearsay.
Uh and and the the committees acknowledged this, and the lawyers, even on the on the left, have said, you know, it's got to be admissible evidence.
But your sense of this report, which was, you know, I I don't think anything was earth-shaking in here.
Uh they made these criminal referrals.
Again, the Department of Justice is going to do what they're going to do, but your your sense of this January 6th report.
Total political uh uh endeavor.
Um first time in American history you had a committee where there was no cross-examination ability because there was no one allowed on with an opposing point of view.
All nine people were were uh voted to impeach President Trump.
Um the the first time in American history the minority leader was not allowed to place on a select committee the individuals he or she had selected.
Never happened in the history of our country.
Right.
Uh we've we caught these folks in uh in so many lines.
I caught them in two lies about me.
We'll just give you one quick example of how they misrepresented things, how they lied to the American people.
They played a video clip of me in a hearing once where where they showed a clip I was doing uh, I think an interview on Fox or something, and I said January 6th is the ultimate date of significance in a in a presidential contest.
And what what what they failed to include was the very sentence before that where I said the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said January 6th is the ultimate date of significance in a presidential contest.
That sort of changes its meaning.
So that was just one of the lies we caught him in.
Uh and we didn't get to be a part of it.
We didn't get to say it on the depositions, cross-examine witnesses, see the transcript, and we we caught him in I think eight different lies that we counted.
So imagine how many other things they told us that wasn't true because we never got to see the evidence that they got to see, for goodness sake.
So this is how bad it is.
They've been out to get President Trump from the get-go.
It's now been seven years running where they've been after this guy, and they go after him because he fought for us.
He shook up that town.
He was one of the best presidents we've ever had.
Certainly the one who did more of what he said he would do than any president in my lifetime.
Uh, and that's why I'm so uh so hopeful he's gonna win this uh this next one in 2024.
You know, when we hear what Congressman Jordan said, though it reminds me during the impeachment trial, Durham, the the shift show.
Yes, there was always they play half the clip.
They played.
We caught him every shot conversation.
That's the email.
They show you uh a quarter of the speech and no context, and you can make anything sound like anything you want.
And that we caught that with the shifters over and over and over again.
But they do it without embarrassment.
No, they do.
They do.
But you know, Congressman, we're thrilled that you are now gonna be the incoming chairman of the judiciary committee.
It's important for the ACLJ, it's important for our country.
Thanks for being with us on Sean's broadcast.
And uh have a Merry Christmas and a good new year, and we'll talk to you soon.
Look forward to working with you.
All right, thanks, guys.
God bless.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.
You too.
All right, folks, we've got a lot more ahead on Hannity.
I tell that was a fascinating interview because this is the guy who's been through it.
He's been through it, he's gonna be controlling it.
Um as the chairman of the judiciary committee has a big, big position.
And I'm gonna tell you, I'm encouraged that Jim Jordan is gonna be leading that committee.
Uh, you know, the Republicans won by a little, but a little is all it took to switch the control of that house, uh that chamber of the uh Congress.
So that's great.
All right, we've got a lot more ahead.
Our friend Rick Brunell, who's also our senior advisor for uh international issues as well as national security.
We've got a lot to ask him.
He's gonna be joining us.
A lot more ahead on Hannity.
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All right, we've got um our friend Rick Rennell, our colleague, uh Rick Rennell coming out.
But if you're just joining us, we had a little bit of breaking news here, and that is President Zelensky arriving in the United States late tonight or tomorrow morning.
Yeah, he's gonna be uh, I don't know if it's addressing Congress or meeting members of Congress.
We now know for the White House that he's gonna be meeting with President Biden, but as we talked to uh Congressman Jordan, uh he had just found out about the news just like we did.
So they there was not broad notice given to members of Congress, even those in the leadership kind of positions.
But I think what we heard from Congressman Jordan was the pressure.
I think this is a pressure move.
the financial omnibus bill, $40 billion to send to the, send to Ukraine in a war.
It doesn't seem like it has an end point yet.
Doesn't seem like there's an endpoint.
It seems like there's an impasse.
Uh there's been some people have tried to broker some type of resolution to this, which would be, I think, great for everybody.
The Europeans who are most at risk with this expansion uh and this conflict uh need to, in my view, step up to the play.
We're not saying that we should not be helping Ukrainians.
I think they've looked they've been under siege.
But the fact of the matter is Europe plays a decisive role here because the heating oil that they need and the grain that they need from Ukraine is imperiled.
And it's imperiled because of Russian aggression, and uh we are understand that, but the Europeans need to be carrying their fair share of all of this.
Yeah, as Linda wrote, and I mean, you know, so 45 billion to Ukraine in this new budget.
Zalinski's now in the United States for the pressure campaign.
Right.
You know that's what this is.
Of course.
What about Afghanistan and our people?
Leave them behind.
But but we're gonna do this.
I don't know, this is pretty unprecedented.
A country at war to have their leader show up on our soil to pressure us into sending more money like we haven't been already doing that.
Yeah, and it's like not like the United States hasn't been supportive.
All right, we're gonna be joined uh coming up by our friend Rick Ronell.
We got a lot to talk about, including we'll throw in Ukraine as well, now that that is a breaking news item.
But again, Supreme Court, Title 42, stayed temporarily.
More Hannity when we come back.
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Welcome back to Hannity.
This is Jordan Seculo uh from the American Service for Law and Justice.
Been hosted Sean's show today with my dad, Jay Secular, our chief counsel at the ACLJ, and another team member at the ACLJ joining us now.
Rick Rennell, former acting director of national intelligence and ambassador to Germany is joining us now.
He's the ACLJ's senior advisor for national security and foreign policy.
Rick, we've had this breaking news developed while we've been on air on Sean's broadcast about Zelinski making a trip to the United States as we speak to at least meet with President Biden.
There's been some conflicting news here.
There's also been news about meeting with Congress.
I don't know about addressing Congress.
We also know there's 40 million dollars at stake for Ukraine in the omnibus spending bill.
What's your reaction to the Ukrainian leader heading to the U.S.?
Well, look, first of all, uh, let's be clear.
Yeah, Zelensky's no dummy to come uh the week of Christ Christmas, uh, the week of Hanukkah to try to ask for these big presents.
And Americans and American legislators, our representatives need to understand that we must demand first that Europe pay their fair share.
We are teaching Europe to sit back and do very little when the Americans rush in and try to lead on these issues when the reality is this is a European issue.
It's in their yard.
It's right in their in the Germans uh region.
The Germans are the largest economy in all of Europe, and they must do more.
Why is it that we have to immediately come to the Americans?
The American people have been incredibly generous.
We have been at the forefront.
But the reality is is that uh this Biden administration has already overpaid for Ukrainian funding when our border is suffering, when our people need programs.
This is a true outrage, and any legislator who is voting on this in the lame duck should be barred from voting.
This is future spending.
This is spending that should not be voted on when we've already had elections, and we should hold the people to account who are elected, already elected and waiting to be sworn in in just uh a week or so.
You know, Rick, I I said something very similar earlier on the broadcast, and that was uh, you know, the United States has been very generous with Ukraine.
We we've done a lot of work in that region at the American Center for Law and Justice and our global affiliates.
But the truth of the matter is, I mean, I'd handle a whole impeachment about Ukraine.
But the truth of the matter is the Europeans are the ones directly in harm's way, and I mean harm's way, I'm not talking about that the war is going to spill over into uh more of eastern Europe, although who knows?
Um, but the fact of the economic impact, whether it's grain, whether it's heating oil, the Europeans are, you know, winter is here now.
It's about to get very cold through a lot of the country in the United States, same thing in Europe.
And it is time for them to carry their their their weight of this.
And like I said, the American taxpayers is got a problem on our own border.
And Title 42, as I've mentioned earlier in broadcasts, has been allowed to stay in place for an order from John Roberts, the chief justice of the United States, but it is temporary.
When we're finished in the next few minutes on this broadcast, you're gonna see that the Supreme Court could refer this to the entire uh all nine justices.
John Roberts could lift the stay, he could leave it in place.
I've handled dozens of these stays at the Supreme Court.
I've had them last a couple of hours, I've had them last four months.
But when you look at the border, and you were the director of national intelligence, and you know what was going on on the border, and it's certainly not gotten any better since you've been inside of government.
This is a national security issue for the United States.
Well, there's no question about it.
When you look at who is coming through the southern border, it's not just uh immigrants from Mexico, it's not just immigrants from Latin America.
It is now proven that these are immigrants from around the world.
The world the word is out.
You want to get into the United States, you fly into Mexico City and you make your way up, and there is an open border, and it's outrageous.
We must stop paying and asking the American taxpayer to pay for all of these crises around the world when we've got our own crises going on.
I don't care if it's Iran or China.
We are training the Europeans to sit back.
Look at NATO, Jay.
We have NATO members who are not paying their fair share.
We just added new NATO members who are unwilling to pay their fair share immediately.
And this is a European problem.
We are training Europe to sit back and wait for the United States because we're way too jumpy to start spending on other people's issues.
And and this is an outrage.
And the American people should call their representatives and demand that we vote on this in the new Congress, since we have elected leadership.
We have new elected leaders that are just waiting to be sworn in.
We should wait for those leaders who were held to account on the Ukrainian funding issue in November.
You know, Rick, another issue we have seen, and I I know that this is a forefront for you is this collusion.
Just call it what it is between and what Elon Musk is exposed and what you have to imagine after we've heard from people like Mark Zuckerberg talk about their discussions with f uh the FBI and federal law enforcement.
You tweeted out just to one of the new Twitter file releases about the uh number of FBI employees who were at Twitter and the fact that they had their own Slack channel, their own crib sheet to onboard their new arrivals.
I mean, it was over a dozen that have been identified who went right from Jim Comey's FBI, literally some of his deputies, right from Jim Covey's FBI to Twitter to start suppressing conservatives and Republicans.
Well, look, they brought over their secret ways, and and that's really uh what's scary to me is we had too many people who were trying to censor almost exclusively conservatives, doing it in the dark, not wanting there to be any type of government regulation over it.
And it happened in a very serious ways.
Uh I can't overstate the concern that that we should have as Americans when your intelligence agencies are working to crush dissenting viewpoints.
It is a very scary place to be, and we are catching, and we should have media that are much more interested in stopping this bloat of government uh intelligence agencies trying to crush the American people and crush dissent.
It's a very scary place to be.
Yeah, we just got word uh just now, and this is interesting.
I I mentioned that uh the chief justice had issued an administrative stay so that Title 42 could stay in effect today, because it was set to expire today, and and the government then had to file a brief uh and then it would be the Chief Justice would either keep the stay, deny the stay, or refer it to the court.
Rick, this is fascinating, and you know with our work at the American Center for Law and Justice, you're part of our team.
We that we've got a lot of experience at the Supreme Court for I mean, I've done a lot of stays and a lot of uh merits cases as well, over twenty-three, I think now, uh, merits cases, but we've done dozens of stays.
Interesting here, the Biden administration just moments ago asked the Supreme Court today for a delay in the termination of Title 42's immigration poly policy, asking for the program to conclude no sooner than next week.
So they've asked for they've asked for a week for this to go.
You know what they're afraid of?
If the judge, if the chief justice would have lifted the stay, Rick, they were afraid that they had nothing prepared to go and there would have been no enforcement.
It's it's really uh once again showing a national security issue, which this border crisis is a national security issue.
Once again, that the Biden administration doesn't know what they're doing.
They are ill-prepared.
They celebrated in Afghanistan that they brought 90% of the people home.
They dropped the Russian sanctions that President Trump had on Putin's pipeline and created this war in Ukraine.
We have to have an administration that thinks through these consequences of not enforcing the border.
We we can now see Democrats.
They're they're peeling off.
They're beginning to say this border is a crisis, and the Biden administration isn't doing much about it.
When you're losing your own party, you know you've got a lot of trouble and the policy is failing.
Let me ask you a question, Dad, because this the way it's being reported is interesting.
Is that the administration, they've made their Supreme Court filing that was due at 5 p.m., so right before 5 p.m. Eastern time, and they say they want a delay in the termination of Title 42, but just uh a week or so.
Yeah.
So they don't want to keep Title 42.
No.
I want to make that clear.
Correct.
Why a week?
Well, because a lot of things could happen in a week.
They could come up with a new plan.
They could come up with no plan.
Uh it signals to the court something else.
If it's such if it's so urgent, not because you're willing to say, I'll let it go for another week or so.
Well, then the court may say, you know what?
There's a real constitutional issue here.
And you know, we're gonna leave this stay in place until we have the case addressed on the merits.
I think they just up the ante of the Supreme Court granting review, at which case we're gonna get involved as uh meek us with the court.
Our briefs, by the way, folks, uh at the Supreme Court, even our friend of the court briefs have been cited by the Chief Justice, by Justices Breyer when he was on the court, by Justice Stevens, by Justice Alito, and others.
So uh it's a very interesting debate.
I'm just gonna keep updating people.
The Justice Department is still seeking to uphold the lower court rulings that held the Biden administration could eliminate the policy, but is asking for delay in the programs and saying it should remain in place until December 27th.
If the Supreme Court decides the Title 42 case before Friday.
Right.
So they're trying to dictate to the court very risky and bold move on the government's part, and I I don't think it's going to go over well.
So we're going to review the brief when we're done.
We'll have more information on our broadcast.
I'm sure Sean will tomorrow on Hannity as well.
Rick, one last question.
You've worked with the ACLJ now for a while, and I I think it's important for Sean's audience to understand of the scope of the things like the Title 42, like what's happening in Europe, that our engagement on these issues really are giving people a voice and an important voice in allowing this to go forward.
Look, one of the reasons I joined ACLJ after leaving the Trump administration was because of the action that we take.
We don't complain, but we actually file lawsuits.
We actually try and stop the bad stuff from happening.
And I couldn't be more proud.
I I hope that people do support the ACLJ.
You know, one thing, JOI wanted to add this one week delay that the Biden administration wants.
Get the closer to when the new Congress comes in.
And it's clear to me that they're playing politics here, and they'd like to blame the Republicans in the House.
So that when the chaos comes forward, it's under Kevin McCarthy's leadership and the Republicans in the House so that they can say, look, we didn't have this chaos until the Republicans took over the House.
Now, Rick, I think that's a very good observation.
And the fact is, this is gonna it's a very bizarre signal to the court, though, too.
I want as a Supreme Court practitioner, it's a very unusual signal to say, we don't want to stay.
We don't want you to grant the government stay, but you know what?
Grant it for a week or ten days so we can kind of figure out what we're gonna do here.
Meanwhile, I think that's what puts it into a new Congress.
They blame them for if they have no plan in place.
They're taking out the biggest enforcement mechanism they have, which still isn't getting it all done, but it was better than what they had with Title VII, which is the other uh administrative uh process that you go through.
But I I think this is a highly this was not an anticipated move by most.
I don't think most people thought this is what the government was gonna do.
No, it's trying to have through the solicitor general.
I think what Rick said is right.
I think it's politics more than law and it's not really that rational for people to be hearing this.
That we're not asking for a stay.
We don't agree with the states, but don't do away with this right now, even though it's set to expire tonight.
Because they're in chaos.
It's what Rick said.
They're in chaos, and they would rather blame that.
Chaos, they could blame it in January 3rd, they get to blame the chaos on the conservatives.
Rick, we appreciate you being with us, appreciate you being part of the team.
Folks, we've got a uh another segment coming up on Hannity.
We're gonna, while we're on break, we're gonna find out more about this Supreme Court filing.
But I will tell you, highly unusual that the way you defeat a stay, if you're the other side, is to say the state should not is not necessary.
We have a plan.
Instead, they say, you know what?
Don't let this expire tonight.
Because we don't want it on our hands.
Let it expire in a week or ten days.
And you know what that means?
Well, maybe it'll be on somebody else's hands.
So we'll see what happens here.
Uh it's very interesting for the court.
We've got another segment of Hannity coming up.
Stay tuned.
A lot more ahead.
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Well, and back to Hannity's Jay Seculo and Jordan Seculo.
Uh we're seeing it for Sean today.
Of course, we run the American Center for Law and Justice.
I I got some breaking news.
We just got the brief that was filed in the Title 42 case.
That was the authorization put forward in the Trump administration to deal with the crisis on the border in light of the pandemic that was going Throughout the country.
Uh, it's interesting.
The government has asked for, it's very unusual.
There's a stay that's in effect.
The government was expected to reject or at least move to dissolve that stay immediately.
Instead, they've asked the chief justice to keep the stay in place for at least a week while they figure out what to do.
And it's interesting in their brief.
This is what your United States government is putting in their briefs, folks.
The government recognizes that the end of Title 42 orders will likely lead to disruption and a temporary increase in unlawful border crossings.
The government is in no way seeks to minimize the seriousness of that problem.
And then, as our friend Rick Runell said, it looks like they're putting it now, pushing it towards the Congress.
That's who they're going to blame for all of this.
And of course, if they can extend this for about 10 or 12 days, they can blame the Republican Congress.
We're going to get into this a lot more uh in the days ahead.
If you want information about this, I encourage you to go to ACLJ.org.
We'll have more information up about this tomorrow.
And again, we thank Linda, thank the whole team at Hannity, and of course, thank our friend Sean Hannity for letting Jordan and I sit in today.
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