Claudia Tenney is combating the IRS overreach by proposing legislation that would pull resources back from the IRS and dedicate them to the Border Patrol. Jay and Jordan Sekulow sit down with the NY Congresswoman to discuss this important topic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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| Music Hey everybody, I'm Jay Sekulo. | |
| I'm Jordan Seculo. | |
| And we are sitting in for our friend Sean Hannity. | |
| I am the Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice. | |
| I'm the executive director of the ACLJ. | |
| I also oversee ACLJ action. | |
| We've got a lot to discuss today. | |
| There's a lot of news breaking, uh including Supreme Court action as it relates to Title 42 with the immigration crisis on the border. | |
| Every town now is a border town. | |
| Every city is a border city. | |
| And the problem is the Biden administration wanted to let expire what's called Title 42, which was at least utilized to try to control an out-of-control situation. | |
| The problem is the Title 42 was set to expire by the Biden administration today. | |
| And the governors and the attorney generals of Arizona, Texas, and others of the states, especially those directly on the border, have gone to federal court. | |
| They were not successful in the lower courts, but they asked the Chief Justice of the United States, John Roberts, to stay, that means to issue a stay, stop uh the proceedings so that 42 Title 42 can stay in place while the court reviews. | |
| Now, they have until five o'clock, the Department of Justice and groups like the ACLU to respond. | |
| But I think Dad, what is clear here is all your work before the Supreme Court. | |
| This could Title 42 could end tonight. | |
| Of certainly. | |
| I mean, it's there's no guarantee. | |
| Well, listen, I probably have done a dozen or two dozen stays before the Supreme Court of the United States on very high profile cases. | |
| What the court did was say, look, we're gonna take a look at this. | |
| We want the we got the brief from the states, we want the brief from the federal government, then we're gonna review it. | |
| Now that review could just take place by John Roberts himself. | |
| He issued the stay, but he could very well say, I want the whole court to review it and it could stay into place for a couple of days. | |
| He could say I've looked at it and I don't want the state to stay in place at all, and it could be over with uh tonight. | |
| Now, re reality to me, and I've done these before is I think this is gonna take a couple of days. | |
| I think he's gonna refer this to the entire court. | |
| Jordan mentioned the American Civil Liberties Union. | |
| You know, they used to be the champions of free speech. | |
| That's how they market themselves. | |
| Jordan and I head up the American Center for Law and Justice. | |
| If you need information or like information about what we do, which is to counter those moves like the ACLU and others that may make, I encourage you to go to ACLJ.org. | |
| That's our website, ACLJ.org. | |
| Of course, you can follow us on Twitter, Tris Social at J Secul at Jordan Secul. | |
| But the ACLU is a plaintiff. | |
| They're a party to this case, actually. | |
| Uh so it's a very unusual situation. | |
| You got the states on one side, federal government on the other side, and some non-governmental organizations like the ACLU on that side. | |
| So it's a showdown at the Supreme Court. | |
| There is no doubt about it. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| And we know the ramifications of this are huge. | |
| I mean, if Title 42 uh goes, and that is no longer a tool that can be used by the federal government, we're talking about tens of thousands of new illegal immigrants, uh, even a day. | |
| They're talking about numbers going from three to seven thousand in a day. | |
| Yeah, I mean, you got the the mayor of New York City, Mayor Adams is saying we can't handle that. | |
| If it goes up a thousand a week in New York, that New Yorkers are gonna not get services they're used to. | |
| Something else that I think is pretty interesting here. | |
| The government, through our budgeting process and through when the Democrats were controlling both chambers, the House and the Senate, and of course the White House, they decided that they were gonna get 87,000 new IRS agents. | |
| Now, listen, I my first job out of law school was with Chief Counsel's office of the Internal Revenue Service. | |
| My client was the IRS. | |
| I was a Department of Treasury lawyer. | |
| I litigated on behalf of the IRS. | |
| We filed one of the big well, the biggest lawsuit against the IRS when they targeted conservative organizations and Tea Party organizations uh about five years, six years ago, and went to federal court. | |
| We won, we got an injunction, we got damages for our client. | |
| But the idea that you're gonna expand the IRS by eighty-seven thousand agents to basically go after me and you and everybody else that's listening to this broadcast right now. | |
| Rather than putting the resources necessary to protect our border, and you got the Biden administration in total denial about the problem at the border. | |
| At least they say they're in denial. | |
| But they're in denial about the border, but they want to spend billions of dollars to increase a dysfunctional agency called the Internal Revenue Service. | |
| An institution that I've said often, I will say it again, is institutionally incapable of self-correcting. | |
| So we're going to really get into some of these issues today, what we think should be done. | |
| I think we're going to hear from members of Congress that have got some solutions to this that we can now actually see go go through. | |
| I'm also going to tell you this. | |
| Uh the January 6th committee issued their report yesterday. | |
| I read it cover to cover, including the 50 pages of footnotes. | |
| So we're going to talk about that a little bit later in the broadcast as well. | |
| I will just tell you this, and I've said it before, I'll say it again. | |
| What happened on January 6th was a horrible situation. | |
| Terrible. | |
| But to make a federal criminal case based on the allegations contained in that January 6th report, remember, the Department of Justice can't rely on hearsay. | |
| They can't rely on evidence that would be excluded in a court of law. | |
| It's a whole different paradigm. | |
| It's a whole different burden of proof and standard that would be implemented. | |
| Yes, let me tell you a little bit about the show today. | |
| Congresswoman Claudia Tinney is going to be joining us first, and she's got uh proposed legislation to take that money that was going that $80 billion for those 87,000 new IRS agents to go after middle class Americans and take that and reappropriate it to the border patrol. | |
| So we have more border patrol agents and they have more resources. | |
| We've got uh Senator Bill Haggerty on Fentanyl, which is something like we talked about every city being a border city. | |
| And we've added this impact every family in America. | |
| Fincidal is affecting every family across the country, so many lives lost already. | |
| And then Secretary Mike Pompeo is going to be on, Congressman Jim Jordan about his new investigations when the House uh Republicans take back the House this uh next month, and Rick Rennell, former acting director of National Intelligence, saw a packed show today and hit a lot of topics. | |
| I'm gonna tell you there's some topics we're gonna hit too you you need to stay tuned for, folks. | |
| I mean, yeah, they had the you had the Department of Justice issuing subpoenas and and and and discovery documents on Google and some of the other uh big tech companies against senior staff, senior staff on the Intelligence Committee. | |
| Guess when? | |
| During the famous Mueller investigation. | |
| So while you had the executive branch of government, which is where the Department of Justice sits going after the legislative branch of government, was supposed to have separation of powers in this country, and then you had the courts overseeing it. | |
| You and you got in play all three, all three of the branches of government. | |
| Now, Jordan and I know a little bit about all of this because we served as counsel to the former president during both the Mueller investigation and the Ukraine's and the impeachment issues. | |
| So I handled a lot of these cases uh as a president's lawyers. | |
| We'll also be taking some calls at 1-800-941-7326. | |
| That's 800-941. | |
| But folks, you you look at what's going on in the country right now, and you say to yourself, we it's like a timeout. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Everybody needs to catch their breath here because things are moving at unbelievable pace, and the abuse that's taking place within the government itself is scary. | |
| The problem is, these institutions, we talk about the IRS, we talk about the Department of Justice. | |
| I mean, the FBI was basically running Twitter. | |
| I mean, the the reports that have come out on the air on Twitter is basically Jim Baker, who was the FBI general counsel under James Comey, ends up as the associate or deputy general counsel for Twitter. | |
| Elon Musk fired him, by the way, because a guy named Jim was blocking the disclosures of what was actually happening when Elon was trying to get the information out about the putting the thumb on the scale when Twitter was putting the thumb on the scale against conservatives, and there was a guy named Jim blocking it, and finally somebody said, Who is this guy, Jim? | |
| Oh, Jim? | |
| He was the former deputy, uh, he was former general counsel of the FBI for James Comey, and then served, and this is on you can't make this stuff up, folks, as the deputy general counsel for Twitter. | |
| And now we found out today that there's Nis John one or two FBI agents there. | |
| It's like they brought over a branch of the Bureau. | |
| Yeah, and we were wondering why in some of these disclosures they were talking about classified information. | |
| And we figured out, well, they brought over a lot of people with security clearances. | |
| Yes, because they were acting like an agent of the federal government. | |
| In fact, the FBI was treating them like they were part of the that they were some kind of a part of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. | |
| If you see the emails, they're like instructing the Twitter staff. | |
| We have a call. | |
| Don't miss it. | |
| Here's the list of people. | |
| And they were just normal folks, not like blue check mark folks. | |
| And they say, these are the people we want info on, or maybe you should take down their accounts. | |
| By the way, do you have location info on their accounts? | |
| Yeah, so they can find out. | |
| Yeah, we need to visit. | |
| So the FBI is working with Twitter to expire in Americans. | |
| And these are people that had, as Jordan said, security clearance. | |
| By the way, talking about the IRS, we have a documentary we put together at ACLJ Films. | |
| If you just go to ACLJ Films.com, it's available for free. | |
| It's called targeting us and us as you period S, period. | |
| And it's about the IRS and the abuse of the IRS. | |
| And I again I encourage you to go to ACLJ Films.com. | |
| So we've got a lot, we have a jam-packed program ahead. | |
| I do want to say this as we get ready to uh take a break here in a moment. | |
| If you want to get more information about the work that Jordan and I do, I encourage you to go to ACLJ.org. | |
| You could also follow us, of course, on Facebook, Rumble, uh, wherever your social media at Jordan Seculo at J Seculo and the ACLJ, the American Center for Law and Justice, is a 501c3 nonprofit organization that operates and exists because people like you empower us through donations and support to the ACLJ's tax deductible to go ahead and fight the IRS, go after the Department of Justice when there's abuse, protecting you. | |
| We have a government accountability project at the ACLJ, and we encourage you to do that. | |
| Yeah, and defend your constitutional rights, whether it's your religious liberty, your freedom of speech, which we see now as under attack, speech being under attack from the left so aggressively. | |
| So if you are interested, support our work at ACLJ.org. | |
| We actually have a matching challenge this month. | |
| You can double the impact of your donation at ACLJ.org. | |
| It's a great time. | |
| If you do know who we are, I think a lot of you do know the secular name from the work we've done either with Sean or with uh President Trump or against the IRS and the targeting of the Tea Party goes way back. | |
| Support us today, ACLJ.org. | |
| You can make that year-in donation and double the impact of your donation. | |
| All right, we've got a lot more ahead. | |
| We've got uh Congresswoman uh Tenny coming up. | |
| You're not gonna want to miss it. | |
| Be back with more in just a moment. | |
| All right, welcome back to the Sean Hannay Show. | |
| This is Jordan Sekchio. | |
| I am the executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice. | |
| Join uh co-hosting today with my dad, Jay Sekiel, who's our chief counsel. | |
| And and the guitarist in that little little bit when you heard coming back into the uh coming out of the break there, that was the J Seculo band, which by the way, we'll be performing a live concert, which we do at the end of uh about six months out of the year, about six of the months. | |
| We do a live concert at the end of the month. | |
| We'll be doing it on this one be New Year's Eve. | |
| Uh it's it'll be on Facebook, Rumble, wherever you go, just jay if you like us on Facebook or Rumble, it's just J Seculo or Seculo, and you'll find us. | |
| So that was a little taste of of some of the music. | |
| We've got uh a jam-pack program uh ahead and even in within this first hour still. | |
| And I think it's important for people to understand when we start talking about the IRS, we come at this with some real experience. | |
| I mean, we Jordan and I litigated, uh, led the charge on a challenge to the Internal Revenue Service, and they're targeting, they're beyond the lookout list, the targeting that they engaged in against conservative organizations, and we had we won a huge case, got an injunction, declaratory judgment and permanent injunction against the IRS, which by the way, as soon as the Biden administration came into power, they tried to violate, but fortunately we got that resolved. | |
| Uh again, challenging the IRS, and now you got an eighty seven thousand increase in the number of IRS agents that we, the American taxpayers are funding. | |
| An agency that is institutionally incapable of self-correcting, an entity that has knowingly violated First Amendment rights of American citizens, asking groups that apply for tax exam status, whether they believed in the Bible, uh, whether they supported Israel. | |
| I mean, these were the questions coming out of an IRS agent. | |
| And you asked yourself, how in the world do we get to that point? | |
| And that's because bureaucrats left unchecked are dangerous. | |
| Yeah, and they try to sell this as we're going after the rich. | |
| But we know that these 87,000 new agents, their target is middle class Americans. | |
| 100%. | |
| They don't want to go after people who can lawyer up who although, by the way, also use big accounting firms to file their taxes who will handle all of their interactions with the IRS. | |
| They're coming after to audit middle class and and and Americans who don't have the resources necessarily to lawyer up to fight back, who will, again, pay whatever they they they asked them to pay, and they're scared. | |
| And this is the way Democrats pay for their big budget items. | |
| They say we need more IRS agents to go get more money from Americans, middle class Americans. | |
| It's not the one percent. | |
| It's not that the highest earners. | |
| They always say you need to pay your fair share, you rich people. | |
| That's not going to be do you think any of those people are worried about this IRS agent increase? | |
| No. | |
| No, because they've got teams of accountants and attorneys. | |
| Who doesn't have teams of accountants' attorneys? | |
| Middle class Americans and small business owners. | |
| Yeah, and you know it was interesting because when we challenged the IRS in federal court, these were organizations that could not afford lawyers. | |
| And this was protracted litigation. | |
| I mean, this was there was discovery, it went to it was in federal court, it went on. | |
| And fortunately, because uh Jordan, like I said, Jordan and I head up the American Center for Law and Justice, a 501c3 nonprofit organization dedicated to defending and protecting liberty, freedom, life, and the ability to speak and engage the issues. | |
| And these groups were being targeted unlawfully by the Internal Revenue Service, and they were able to utilize the services of the ACLJ, American Center for Law and Justice, with no charge. | |
| We don't charge for our services because we're supported as an organization by people like you, American citizens that are concerned about where things are going and how things are being handled, and they want to be able to fight back, and that's fighting back it. | |
| By the way, it's a it we we had lawyers last week deployed to a city council hearing in Pueblo, Colorado on a life issue involving abortion, and at the same time, we were finishing up a brief to the Supreme Court of the United States. | |
| So when we say from the Supreme Court of the United States to your city council meeting, that's not figure of speech. | |
| That's the reality of the work that we're engaged in at the ACLJ. | |
| Now, coming up on the broadcast on John's program, we've got Claudia Tenney, of course, Congresswoman from New York that's got legislation specifically on this issue. | |
| That's right. | |
| She wants to redirect that money from those new to those from those new IRS agents, 87,000 new IRS agents at a cost of 80 billion U.S. taxpayer dollars. | |
| Redirect that to use those funds to the border, border patrol agents to secure our border. | |
| Because we know that's where the, you know, and the mainstream media is not covering it. | |
| No, but that's exactly why we're talking about it. | |
| We've got a lot more on the broadcast ahead. | |
| If you want to check us out, ACLJ.org, that's ACLJ.org. | |
| We'll be back in a moment. | |
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| This is Jordan Secular. | |
| Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show. | |
| We are joined right now by a very special guest, Congresswoman Claudia Tinney of New York. | |
| And we've been talking about the immigration crisis at our southern border and everything else that brings with it. | |
| All the other crises that come with having having an open border. | |
| And she's got a really cool piece of legislation to redirect some of those funds that were going to the IRS, billions of dollars. | |
| Yep. | |
| And then we're going to go after middle class Americans to redirect that funding and support to our agents on the southern border who have been demonized, who have been left behind really by the Biden administration. | |
| So, Congresswoman, this is Jay Secillar. | |
| We're thrilled that you're with us on the Hannity program. | |
| And I I've got to say at the beginning here, for those that are just joining us, the Supreme Court issued a very specific one-line sentence saying they are staying the uh case involving Title 42, which has given some relief to uh our Board of Patrol agents, but only until the government responds, and then maybe they'll hear the case, maybe they want it to be lifted as early as tonight. | |
| We've got all this money, 87,000 new IRS agents uh that have already been allocated. | |
| I wanted to get your you've got a bill you're calling the direct act. | |
| Tell us what this would do, and uh it's a very and folks, this is how you make change in Washington, D.C. by redirecting uh the flow of funds because that is such a pivotal part of what Congress does. | |
| Congresswoman, what does the Direct Act do? | |
| Well, thank you for for being on it. | |
| It's a complete honor to be on with you guys, especially just watching your work over the years. | |
| And look, I uh I just looked at this and said, why are we adding eighty-seven thousand IRS agents? | |
| We already have eighty thousand people working for the IRS. | |
| So you add eighty-seven thousand more. | |
| And remember, this is in the age of we have computers, we have uh a lot more efficiency. | |
| So you don't need as many people actually, but they're doing this because number one, they want to create a bureaucracy, and number two, they want to go after these lower and middle income taxpayers who can't afford lawyers and accountants and people uh that can actually help them with their tax returns. | |
| And I'll tell you what happens as a member of Congress, and I'm sure that even the Democrats deal with this. | |
| We deal every day with taxpayer advocacy. | |
| We help people who can't get through the IRS, who can't afford lawyers, so now we're gonna have even more money spent and more bureaucracy and more powerful people put in charge. | |
| Remember, they added guns to the repertoire of IRS agents, so they're almost like FBI agents, which we now know are so corrupt. | |
| And I'm looking at this, this was already done, it was already appropriated, uniparty, one party rule by the Democrats. | |
| How can we change it? | |
| The only thing we could do is what they call rescission, and that's take that money back and redirect it to our border patrol and our border agents who are suffering at the border at the expense of the taxpayers. | |
| So uh this bill has actually been out for a little while, but it's really getting the Democrats irritated, which is why uh I think it's getting so much steam right now because they realize it makes complete sense. | |
| Use taxpayer-wise money wisely, we're not. | |
| Uh we're hurting our taxpayers, we're hurting immigrants at the border, we're hurting uh people that live in the border states, and by the way, New York and every state has become a border state. | |
| We know about our travel agency that's been created by the Biden administration, where night flights are landing into places like upstate New York and even New York City, where they can't handle this uh this influx of of illegal immigrants, the border is being run by human traffickers, drug traffickers, and the Biden administration refuses to look at this. | |
| Obviously, I've called for Joe Biden's resignation but and and impeachment, but we've got to get rid of Secretary Majorcast, who is really the guy who's not doing anything about the border and controls this on the executive side. | |
| You know, we can't do anything on Congress, but what we can do is get some of our money to the border agents, stop this from happening, and actually it'll be I'll be curious to see what happens. | |
| You know, I'm also a lawyer and what would happen with Title 42. | |
| I'm often disappointed uh with the Supreme Court and some of the uh some of the cert petitions that get denied by Justice Roberts on issues that really need the Supreme Court to weigh in. | |
| So let's see what happens. | |
| This could be catastrophic for us and the taxpayers because you're looking at it, what's estimated to be around 14,000 people per day would be coming into the border. | |
| That means over 400,000 per month, when we're seeing about 230,000 in a month of November 2022 alone, which is beyond all records, 400 percent more than it ever has been. | |
| So we're seeing like real issues happening here, so it's a huge problem. | |
| I'm just gonna follow up on that because I'm trying to let folks know, uh, Congresswoman, that I've done a lot of work at the Supreme Court for four decades, and I've handled a lot of emergency stays, which is what's happened uh with Title 42 right now. | |
| It's it's just a stay, and it's called an administrative stay, what the Chief Justice uh put in place. | |
| It's it's good, it's better than the alternative, which would have been an outright denial. | |
| But the government's responding by the time we're off the air today, the United States will have responded. | |
| Then the chief will either he could issue the stay, he could deny the stay's continuance, or he could refer it to the full court. | |
| I suspect it gets referred to the full court. | |
| That's probably what happens, so it may stay in place for a while longer. | |
| But this idea that, and you said it, the 87,000 IRS agents targeting working Americans, middle class Americans that don't have the ability to have lawyers defend them and CPAs to go in and negotiate with the IRS. | |
| And the outrage that an agency like the IRS, which is institu I've said it, I will say it again, and I litigated the IRS cases uh against them, and we were successful, but I will tell you folks, I I think they're institutionally incapable of self-correcting. | |
| And that's where this whole idea of redirecting assets, money, taxpayer money, to the border makes a lot of sense as far as we're concerned. | |
| Yeah, no, I agree. | |
| And first of all, the IRS is so powerful, as you know, what's the most uh scary thing other than having the FBI at your door, you know, the IRS. | |
| Those two agencies, interestingly, how powerful they are against our criminal justice system, which it resi it's the premise of our entire system is we are innocent until proven guilty. | |
| IRS and the FBI are we're guilty until proven innocent. | |
| And now you're seeing, you know, the the FBI colluding. | |
| I I hate to use the Democrats' words, but they project so beautifully for us that you really can just kind of see what they're talking about and reinterpret and see that the FBI was actually pushing Twitter to spy and pushing Twitter to suppress and censor. | |
| So the IRS has so much power. | |
| And you know, they're one of the most powerful agencies. | |
| How can we have 167,000 new IRS agents or 87,000 new when we have a Marine Corps of about 174,000? | |
| We have Homeland Security, which is a large department. | |
| We have uh customs and border patrol, but just think about it. | |
| The entire labor department for the entire United States is only 14,000. | |
| Honestly, I think they all should be less. | |
| I think we at least less governor government bureaucracies and more in this at the state level. | |
| Yeah, less is more, that's for sure. | |
| Uh, Congressman Tinney, how do we convince your colleagues, especially on the other side of the aisle? | |
| When you go through the numbers, it's staggering. | |
| Nearly if Title 42 goes, that could go tonight. | |
| Like we're relying on the courts. | |
| You said you're an attorney, we're all attorneys that are talking right now. | |
| This could be done still at 1201 uh Wednesday morning, uh tomorrow when we wake up. | |
| We know the cartels are ready. | |
| We know that thousands are ready at the border. | |
| And if the estimates are 14,000 illegal crossings a day, that would be 400,000 a month. | |
| That's the population of New Orleans. | |
| And yet your colleagues on the other side of the aisle just I mean, there's a couple that are brave enough to speak out, but most of them just kind of bury their head in the sand and act like this isn't the number one crisis facing our nation because it's how fitnell gets here. | |
| It's how the cartels get here, it's how people are smuggled, it's sex trafficking, it's gangs, it's drugs. | |
| It is the entire plethora, it's terrorists as well. | |
| It all uh starts with a porous southern border and a lack of resources for our border patrol agents. | |
| Yeah, uh, you know, what's I I'll take the cynical view that a lot of people say, well, they just want more people in so they can do more vote harvesting and get these uh voters ballots on record, I want to say, because you know, Republicans tend to go out and use policy and talk about winning every vote. | |
| Well, Democrats don't win on policy, they win now by collecting ballots and taking advantage of our bureaucratic system. | |
| So when you look at this, this is more bureaucracy. | |
| Again, more IRS agents, more uh more people coming at us, but nobody really able to do anything because they're just bureaucrats. | |
| And so what do we why would the Democrats not want to fix this? | |
| This is they're they're seeing people in their own communities. | |
| Fentanyl death at 250 a day. | |
| This isn't the big, you know, this isn't, you know, a few a few 250 a year. | |
| This is 250 a day from illegal fentanyl. | |
| And you know the cartels are just drooling, and you gotta wonder what's going on. | |
| Who's making money on this other than the cartels and other cartels human and drug trafficking? | |
| You know, I don't know. | |
| Are the Democrats uh getting something for all these people coming across the border? | |
| Well, I'll tell you what America, I'll tell you what America's getting, Congresswoman, and this is the this is what America's getting. | |
| Every city's become a border city, like you said, sex trafficking up and down the interstate quarters in record numbers. | |
| I prosecuted these cases before. | |
| Uh it it's it's incredible. | |
| And you talk, of course, the fentan uh what family hasn't been touched by the fentanyl crisis. | |
| I mean, this is we're we're seeing unbelievable harm to the American people. | |
| And I think about the fact that Joe Biden, the president of the United States, is in Arizona, won't go to the border, which is probably 15 minutes away from where he was by the transport he had available as president, and that's because he says, quote, there are more important things. | |
| I don't know of anything more important right now than securing our borders and protecting our families, Congresswoman. | |
| Yeah, I would agree with you. | |
| And I think a lot of it is they just don't want to face the truth potentially. | |
| You know, you they don't I I I can't imagine that they're that cynical, but there's the other thing that you know, Trump's arrangement syndrome is a real thing. | |
| And because Trump put many of these policies in place and we finally brought these numbers down and we're trying to see solutions because Congress hasn't been able to resolve this problem, especially under Democratic rule. | |
| A lot of it is because they just don't want anything that Trump did. | |
| If you could change the name and put something else on it, then they'd be fine with it. | |
| I mean, we're keeping the remaining Mexico policy temporarily right now because the judge has deemed that something that could stay in place. | |
| But you know, the Biden administration is suing to stop this. | |
| Why would you want more fentanyl, more injury? | |
| I I just can't figure it out. | |
| I will tell you when I went to the border, all the resources coming to the border paid for by U.S. taxpayers to handle illegal immigrants, whether it's lawyers, uh, food, clothing, medical supplies, everything down there. | |
| Housing, you know, remember Obama put them in cages. | |
| Right. | |
| Joe Biden is putting them in warehouses. | |
| It looks like a Walmart warehouse down there. | |
| You just walk in and there are kids everywhere and people everywhere, overwhelmed everywhere. | |
| Who's paying? | |
| Who are the contractors that are getting these contracts where the government's saying, yeah, we need more food, more diapers, more everything. | |
| I don't know. | |
| I mean, I'm just trying to why would you not want to solve this problem? | |
| Why would you want to hurt the taxpayers on every level, whether it's fentanyl, human trafficking, uh dangerous criminals, terrorism, all those things you're talking about coming across the border. | |
| Why would you not want to fix this? | |
| Who is it? | |
| You're absolutely right. | |
| Look, we're we're thrilled, Congresswoman, that you've got the the uh uh direct act out there now. | |
| It's being discussed, it needs to be. | |
| Instead of having eighty-seven thousand IRS agents, let's get some help on the border to protect all of us, which is what needs to happen. | |
| Congressman, we appreciate you being on Hannity and appreciate your work for the American people. | |
| Thanks for being with us. | |
| Thanks so much. | |
| It's an honor to be on. | |
| Good luck for you. | |
| I I need to say this. | |
| I mean, we the Congresswoman said this. | |
| For those of you just joining us late on Hannity, this is Jay Secular, Jordan Seculo's here as well, co-hosting with me while Sean's out. | |
| We're the uh we run the American Center for Law and Justice, the ACLJ. | |
| We're involved in these cases. | |
| So when there's a stay at the Supreme Court of the United States on Title 42, which is the only uh legal system that has at least curtailed this someone and it's still out of control. | |
| Uh we know what a stay means. | |
| It means it could be over with in seconds. | |
| I mean, it could literally at 5.0, the brief has to come in by the United States by the time we go off air at about five o'clock Eastern time. | |
| Literally a decision can come out at 5 30. | |
| Yeah. | |
| More likely than not a day or so. | |
| But this is a temporary reprieve for a situation that is totally out of control. | |
| But if you want to know how to respond to this, let me encourage you to check our website out for our organization, the American Center for Law and Justice. | |
| It's very easy to do. | |
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| We've got a lot more ahead, great programs ahead. | |
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| We've got Senator Bill Hagrid's uh former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo coming up in the second hour of the Sean Hannity show. | |
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| We'll be right back on the Sean Hannity show. | |
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| We collectively run the American Center for Law and Justice. | |
| We're filling in for Sean today. | |
| Got a great program. | |
| We've been talking about this immigration crisis coming up, literally next segment or so. | |
| Our friend, Senator Bill Haggerty from Tennessee has got some solutions to this. | |
| This is a huge problem. | |
| It's such a problem that Joe Biden said, you know, it's a problem, but there are other things that are more important. | |
| He wouldn't even visit the border. | |
| By the way, if you like that music when you're coming in and coming out, that's a band that I'm affiliated with. | |
| Just go to look at J Seculoband and get that music anywhere. | |
| But we got Bill Hagerty coming up next is going to be great. | |
| Fentanyl Border Crossings act it was blocked by the Democrats. | |
| Yeah because this is this is where you got to get behind you got to pull back the curtain so to speak and you find out who the Wizard of Oz is remember this? | |
| So you what we're going to talk to Senator Hagerty about is why would they block a bill, legislation that would protect American families? | |
| Like why would you fund 87,000 new IRS agents when in fact you are not willing ready for this to defend the border and you're willing to do that. | |
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