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The Sussman Trial - May 23rd, Hour 2
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, it's not surprising, but it should be.
It's the biggest abuse of power corruption scandal in the history of the country.
And if you go back in time, the media was all over this big lie about Trump and Russia colluding.
And none of this happened.
And we found out late last week, and we have new developments that are coming in today, that in fact, Hillary Clinton got a phone call whether or not they should release to the media mob the story about, oh, the servers at Trump Tower are connected to this alpha bank, and Alpha Bank is Russian connected, et cetera, et cetera.
And it was interesting this weekend on FoxNews.com, President Trump reacted.
This is three years of his presidency.
Never-ending lies.
Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
Impeach, impeach, impeach.
And he quoted Ray Donovan, who used to work in the Reagan administration after one of these long investigations.
He's totally exonerated.
And he goes, where do I go to get my good name back?
Trump said, where do I go to get my reputation back?
For three years, I had to fight her off.
And the FBI and everyone within the Clinton campaign, we now know, set up an October surprise and based on a total lie.
And that sussman, the attorney, you know, contacts Jim Baker, but I'm not working on anyone's behalf, except he's getting paid by the Clinton campaign and says, I'm very concerned about this as a citizen.
I just want to take you back in time a little because we forget.
And this went on for so many months and so many years.
And the media mob breathlessly reported one lie, one hoax, one conspiracy theory day in and day out, every second, every minute, every hour of every day and every year that this whole thing went on.
And they dragged the country through hell.
Here's just a little reminder of what we were listening to then.
But first, we want to start with this week in Russia Gate.
It is as if there are no shoes on the Trump human centipede that are not about Russia.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
This cloud about collusion with Russia will hang over him no matter where he stands.
It certainly feels like we're in the opening stages of a devastating political chapter in American history.
Evidence is mounting for the president's meddling in the Russia probe.
Tom Friedman said the election hacking is at the caliber of a Pearl Harbor or a 9-11.
Do you agree with that?
I completely agree with that.
Given the events of today, the likelihood of impeachment, I'm not saying it's high necessarily, but it certainly went up.
Impeachment.
Impeached.
Impeachment, impeachment, impeach.
Impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.
Impeachment, impeachment.
The president is clearly guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.
He should resign his office or be impeached.
Today, the Trump presidency took a giant step toward impeachment.
Is there a difference if the president said, holder house?
Do you think these countries are Donald Trump has turned the Oval Office into a whole pollers built this country 110 years ago?
In addition to the president's comments yesterday, a few more.
Whole country.
Rich, do you have any example of any whole country that the president referred to that is predominantly Caucasian?
Polish holes.
I work for I'm proud to be a polar.
I don't know if a million years thought I would be saying on television.
And they dragged the entire country through it, and they've gotten away with it.
And they've never corrected the record.
And this was an October surprise based on a bought and paid for Hillary Clinton disinformation Russian dossier.
And ironically, four years later, in November, well, October of 2020, you get a real laptop with Hunter Biden implicating Joe Biden on many, many levels, the big guy, if you will.
And yet the media just uniformly just ignores it completely without any investigation at all whatsoever to protect Joe Biden.
This is now what I mean when I say journalism is dead in America.
And this is why I call them the media mob, because it's a mob mentality.
And they have a political agenda and they push their agenda.
They push a false narrative paid for by Hillary Clinton and they won't investigate something that turned out to be a thousand percent true.
And that's a problem because these are in-kind donations only to Democrats.
Peter Schweitzer is with us and he is the host, by the way, of the Drill Down podcast.
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And his latest bombshell book, Red Handed, New York Times, number one bestseller, How American Elites Get Rich Helping China Win, and David Shone, former counsel for President Trump, an all-around smart attorney in every way imaginable.
Thank you both for being with us.
What we learned last week, Peter, about Hillary's involvement in this and Robbie Mook's testimony that he called Hillary.
Hillary gave the okay on this.
Everybody that was involved in this had to know that at the very least it wasn't verified.
Now we know it's unverifiable.
And this mockery, oh, well, we were hoping if we gave it to a reporter that they would vet it themselves.
That was a lie.
Yeah, they're all lies, Sean.
And look, there was collusion that took place, but it was between the Clinton campaign and the law enforcement national security apparatus.
The Clinton campaign fed this story that they knew was not true.
It was fed by campaign aides with the direct knowledge and really the instigation of Hillary Clinton herself.
And you had elements of law enforcement that took this story and acted upon it as if it was true without ever vetting it.
And so to some extent, you know, it's not surprising because the Clintons have a long history of using their aides and their advisors to do their dirty work to keep their hands clean.
But this is a catastrophic failure of American institutions.
I mean, think about this for a second, Sean.
John Durham's doing this great work.
We had this thing called the Mueller investigation that spent two years, $40 million.
They issued 2,800 subpoenas.
They used 40 federal agents, 19 DOJ lawyers.
They talked to 500 witnesses, and they couldn't figure this out.
They couldn't figure out, or they chose not to figure out the fact that Hillary Clinton was behind this.
So this is about the Clintons, but it's also about the failure of America's institutions, including our system of justice.
You know, then we've got all the conflicts.
I think the odds of Sussman getting convicted, and David, you would know a jury better than I would, but the fact that you don't have one, not two, but you have three Hillary Clinton donors and Democratic donors and AOC donors in the jury pool is a little shocking.
Then you have one of the jury pool members has a child that plays on the same team as Sussman's own child, which is unbelievable.
Now we learn the judge presiding over the case against Sussman said he was a professional acquaintance at the Department of Justice with Sussman in the 90s, and the judge's wife represents former FBI attorney Lisa Page.
You can't make this up.
So I don't even think there's a chance in hell.
The only thing we will get out of this is information for the next trial.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's 100% right, but I think this information is absolutely key.
I mean, I can't imagine what happened as Robbie Mook after his testimony.
But listen, have they taken back all of the prizes the journalists got who were given prizes for their coverage of the steel dossier?
I'm expecting Maggie Haberman to give her Pulitzer to me because we were right and she was wrong.
You've been 100% right on this issue.
You've been dogged with it.
You've been persistent.
And everything you've said is now coming true.
But listen, this stuff didn't happen by itself.
Where's Mark Elias in the Durham prosecution?
This is a guy now who basically made a career of doing that.
But you saw the double standard all around.
Remember, there were prosecutions for people destroying emails and so on.
You had Hillary Clinton with the consummate destroyer of email.
I mean, it couldn't have been worse and no prosecution.
But let's not kid ourselves, by the way.
This thing hasn't been cleaned up.
Andrew Weissman drove a great deal of what happened here.
Andrew Weissman's acolyte, former colleague, partner, Lisa Monaco, is essentially running the criminal division of the Justice Department today.
So that's why I think you're seeing a lot of this coordination now between, for example, the January 6th Committee and the Justice Department, with Attorney General Garland either looking the other way or being a part of it.
But let's not think that, you know, all of the worst is behind us.
Last thing I want to say about this is, and you covered this in beautiful detail, but it's another thing we should never forget.
These lies were taken to the most secretive, most intrusive court in the country, the FISA court.
These were people under oath who filed things to get the most intrusive sort of search warrants and wiretaps and that sort of thing ever.
And what are the consequences from having done that?
That's another chapter of this thing we must never forget.
Because we have four separate Pfizer warrants.
We now know that Baker dismissed the Trump Tower server Alpha Bank connection, he said, almost immediately.
And remember, it was Andrew McCabe, Peter Schweitzer, that stated without the dirty Russian disinformation dossier, they never would have been granted the FISA warrants.
They got four of them.
You have to renew them every three months.
The first one was in October of 2016.
James Comey himself personally signed the first three of them.
Rod Rosenstein signed the last one.
Now we know the information that was the basis for these Pfizer applications was based on the dirty Russian disinformation dossier paid for by Hillary.
But the problem is, is now we know that Baker knew before the first one was signed.
And now we know that the sub-source said in January of 2017, before the final two were signed, that in fact none of the information in the dossier is true.
Yeah, I mean, Sean, it's really shocking.
I mean, you and I have both pursued stories.
We started looking into stories where the facts just don't match.
And you just drop it and you move on.
In this particular case, the early look at the detail of what they were being told with the dossier, with the Alpha Bank, the story fell apart immediately.
And yet they kept pursuing it as if the failed story never really happened, that those gaps that ended up being complete frauds didn't exist.
That's what I think is stunning about this.
And add one thing.
It says on the top of a FISA application, verified.
Yes, exactly.
So they were lying to their colleagues.
They were lying to themselves.
They were lying to the American people.
And there's no accountability.
And, you know, people will say all the time in the mainstream media, oh, there's such a distrust of American institutions.
It's all this dangerous rhetoric.
It's not the dangerous rhetoric.
It's precisely things like this and what you and David were talking about a minute ago.
The fact that somebody is being put on trial that worked for the Clinton campaign and on the jury are Clinton donors and on the jury and the judge are people that have personal connections with the person on trial.
I mean, the American people look at that, whatever their political stripes are, and they say that the fix is in.
So they're also, to all the other lies I talked about earlier, they're also lying to themselves and to the American people about what is going on in the country.
And it's this sort of dual standard of law that really angers people regardless of their politics.
And it's one of the reasons people are turning their backs on American institutions.
And that is truly frightening.
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All right, more on the media blackout of the Sussman trial and the now acknowledgement that Hillary Clinton herself sanctioned and approved of this Russia Trump narrative for political purposes, and nobody seems to care all of a sudden.
Where do you think it goes from here, David?
I mean, I can't look at this jury pool and in any way trust that we're going to have an unbiased jury, but yet Durham is stuck in this jurisdiction.
I'm kind of a little surprised he didn't make a motion to move the trial elsewhere.
Not that it would have been granted, but when you're in D.C., if you're a Republican, you're done.
I mean, it's almost a fait of complete that you're going to end up losing a case if you're prosecuting a Democrat and win the case if you're prosecuting a Republican.
It's also a bit shocking he wasn't a little more aggressive in the jury selection.
But listen, we don't know where it goes from here because there's talk about other potential indictments.
This guy was a small fry sussman.
Everybody knows that now.
Everybody knows we haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg here.
I want to just return for one second on something Peter said.
Very important, this double standard thing, because we have seen it now.
You've reported on it in vitally important terms from the start of it.
Look at the Mueller Commission.
Everyone on the Mueller Commission was of one particular political ilk.
How on earth could you justify it?
Mueller himself worked for the law firm that represented Hillary Clinton.
Specifically with respect to some of these issues, you see it on the January 6th committee.
If you're an American and you care about what happened in the events of January 6th, whatever you believe those events to have been or whatever the motivation was and you want to get to the bottom of it, this is the last commission you ever would appoint.
You have a chairman of the commission who sued President Trump personally over the events of January 6th, claiming he personally was injured and laying all the blame on President Trump.
He's now to be the chief investigator.
You have Raskin and Schiff who've written books about it.
They have a vested interest in making sure the committee comes out with a result consistent with their books and on and on and on.
How long can we stack the deck?
I believe Americans are fair-minded and they're not going to put up with this much longer.
Here's the problem.
The media mob that were wrong for three plus years.
They will ignore all of this news.
We now know the truth, but we've known it on this show for the entire time.
The Russia-Trump narrative that we now know Hillary sanctioned herself did enormous harm to this country.
It, frankly, put a disgrace and a black mark on the FBI, the 1%, as I call them.
The press should be humiliated, but they're not.
They should be.
And this country got dragged through hell for three plus years.
And Vladimir Putin never came close to doing as much disinformation damage ever.
And it was all based on Hillary's lie, and they knew it the whole time.
And the FBI knew it very early on, but they continued to do her bidding.
Anyway, thank you both.
Peter Schweitzer, David Schoen, always love having you.
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All right, 25 now to the top of the hour.
Linda, you heard about monkeypox now.
I am just praying, please don't become the next coronavirus, please.
Anyway, there are a number of cases now that have been confirmed in the U.S.
We don't have an exact figure on it.
Health officials are investigating Florida, for example.
I think they have three cases, the third possible monkey pox case down there.
I don't know a whole lot about it.
I haven't, I guess at some point we'll bring on a medical professional that knows more about it.
But man, the last thing we need is another pandemic.
Nobody's used the term wet market, have they?
No, nobody, no.
And I have no idea if the NIH under Fauci actually gave money to gain of function research over monkeypox, which I had never heard of before, you know, like last week or the week before.
Let's hope they didn't cross a monkey with a bat.
God only knows, right?
I mean, the stuff they do, this gain of function stuff is really scary to me.
Remember in 2012, it was Fauci that said that he supports gain of function, even if it meant a worldwide pandemic would be the result of it.
I'm like, how insane is that?
So Joe goes off to Asia, starts out his trip by botching the South Korean president's name.
Thank you very much, President Moon.
Ayoon, thank you for everything you've done so far.
Okay, here we go.
Just a typical day in Joe's life, right?
Then Joe goes out on a limb, and I was interested in these remarks.
I didn't know if he really meant it, that the U.S. military will defend Taiwan if it comes to that.
Now, that's pretty interesting.
Then, of course, as per usual, Joe got off the playbook, and now the White House is walking it back.
It's the third time since August of last year.
The White House had to walk back comments of Joe Biden saying earlier today, implying the U.S. would aid Taiwan if the island nation came under attack from China.
They would aid them.
Now, he's also thinking about lifting the tariffs that Donald Trump put in place, which is a really dumb and bad idea that then gives, once again, an unfair advantage to China as it relates to trade.
And why would we do that considering we have a massive trade deficit?
Now, seeing the hostile actions of Vladimir Putin, I think we now learn the lesson that we should have, Europe at least, should have weaned itself off Russian oil and gas a long time ago.
We've been saying that for years.
I kept saying years and years ago, what if Vladimir turns off the spigot?
Well, now he's doing that in some instances.
And if you want to beat Vladimir Putin, don't import a single barrel of oil.
Don't take in any natural gas.
And you could defeat this hostile regime and this hostile actor financially.
And with China, the same thing.
The way to defeat them financially is stop importing all things from China.
Let's create all of these items here at home that we are currently importing from China.
But it shows the difference between a weak president, Joe Biden, and a strong president.
That would be Donald Trump, because he said, no, we're going to put tariffs on your products because you're not playing fair.
We believe in free and fair trade.
And your country puts all these tariffs on our goods.
And we're not putting any on yours.
And unless you're willing to change policies, we're putting tariffs on you, which is the right thing to do.
By the way, Putin reportedly, in one Washington Examiner report, survived an attempt on his life.
Apparently, there's been a number of reported attacks, but he survived an assassination attempt shortly after the Kremlin invaded Ukraine at the end of February, according to new reports from the Ukrainian military.
Take that for what you think it should be.
Then you got this idiot as the well, it's Mayor Pete's job.
He's supposed to be the transportation secretary.
Now he wants you, the taxpayer, to pay for a new Marshall plan.
Why?
To rebuild Ukraine.
I mean, okay, a Marshall plan to rebuild Ukraine?
How about Russia has to rebuild Ukraine?
How about with all their energy resources, we force them to pay for it because he's making a billion dollars profit a day almost from energy that he's selling to Western European countries and NATO allies.
This is insane.
You know, we got the Biden stock market crash.
It's cost Americans across the board a fortune, trillions of dollars so far.
Thanks to Biden inflation at a 42-year high, our fellow Americans now are falling behind on their mortgage and credit card payments and car payments.
Gas stations are retooling the price displays on their gas pumps.
But when the Biden energy crisis pushes past 10 bucks a gallon, where's the Marshall plan for the American people?
And America's mothers can't find any baby formula.
Although Joe Bragg, he brought in a plane load of baby formula.
And I'm like, if you want my take on it, it's pretty embarrassing that we had to import baby formula from Europe because we don't have enough here.
Thanks to Joe, who said he would fix the supply chain in 90 days, all the supply chain problems.
Not exactly.
All right, let's get to our busy telephones here as we say hi to Sue is in New York.
Hey, Sue, how are you?
Glad you called.
I have no idea why you're still living in New York and why I'm here too.
Hi, Sean.
I love you.
Thank you.
I watched Sean Penn on your show the other day.
Yeah, a while back.
And he unfairly said he didn't trust you, but he wanted to be on the show to get his word out.
Did he ever give you an answer why he said that?
Actually, I reached out to him and they said, no, he won't do my show, my TV show.
And I said, I only really want to talk about Ukraine.
I don't want to, if he's worried that we're going to have a big political debate, because it was interesting, prior to the invasion of Putin, he had already been on the ground and doing a documentary, I think.
I'm not sure, that's what I assumed it was, on Zelensky.
And he was there when the invasion occurred.
He was there for those early days.
He's gone to Poland many times.
He's really passionate about the issue.
We pretty much agreed that we should have given early on Ukraine the force to win the war against Vladimir.
And that should have mostly come from Europe and NATO allies because it impacts them far more greatly than it does us right now.
And anyway, so the first thing he said, I said, well, will he take a off-the-record phone call from me?
And we discussed it publicly, or else I wouldn't tell you this part.
And I was joking about it.
I said, do you remember when I first called you?
What's the first thing you said to me?
Now, I did it to kind of break the ice and make a little joke about it.
He goes, yeah, I remember I said, I don't trust you.
And then by the end of the interview, I asked, well, do you trust me now?
He says, I don't know.
I don't think so.
I said, did I keep my word?
In other words, I said, I don't really want to talk to you about your political views.
I got it.
You're a left-winger, a Hollywood left-winger, a little crazy, but also interesting.
And I kept it on topic, which is the topic I wanted to talk to him about.
And it got a lot of people watching.
You know, maybe we need more civil discussion at times or find areas of agreement at times.
I don't know.
Right.
Maybe you'll want him over a little.
Well, thank you.
All right.
I hope that clarifies, Sue.
Glad you called.
Taylor is in Alabama.
What's going on, Taylor?
By the way, Huntsville, Alabama, number one city in America, the best place to live.
How are you?
I'm doing well, Sean.
Thanks for taking my phone call today.
Yes, sir.
I just want to bring up that people should really get out this election season, bring the Republicans back into the Senate, bring them back in every way they can, but study who they're voting for because you can get yourself a Democrat, hiding as a Republican, do your background, check who you're looking at, and then let's move forwards.
Once we get the Republicans back in place, then we can go into the impeachment of Biden and the vice president so we could get this country going back.
Because right now, Sean, we're going down the drain just farther and farther and farther.
Where President Trump had us on our own.
We were wonderful.
We could do anything.
We're the most powerful nation.
And now, here's Biden, a career politician, just knocking us back down.
We've got to get the Republicans in there.
The true conservative Republicans.
Listen, I'll tell you the area that he could easily be impeached on, and it has to do with the law, and it has to do with our borders.
If you were ever to go to our southern border and help and assist and aid and abet law breaking and help people cross the border and just process them and then take them and literally transport them to whatever state you take them to, maybe Alabama, maybe Washington state.
I don't know.
And if you were to do that, I promise you, and you got caught, you'd be arrested for aiding and abetting lawbreaking and also for human trafficking.
That is basically what Joe Biden is doing at the border.
He's ignoring the laws of this country.
He has an oath and a duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States under which all of our laws are based.
And this is an unconstitutional act.
High crime, misdemeanor, you can call it whatever you want.
It's true.
Now, do I think it's the best political strategy?
I'd have to see the case first.
But you know what?
This is irrelevant at this point because it's not going to happen now.
And I doubt it's going to happen when Republicans hopefully take back the House.
And I'm praying we take back the Senate, although that's going to be a lot harder.
I think it's very possible.
But I hear where you're coming from.
I mean, if we did follow the law, we would do what the Democrats do.
And they didn't have cases against Donald Trump.
All right, we get back to our busy phones.
Nick, Arizona.
Thank you, Taylor.
Hey, Nick, how are you?
Good thanks, Sean.
How you doing?
I'm good, sir.
What's up?
So I'm just, you know, wondering.
I'm wondering how I can get involved.
I'm 34, you know, conservative here in Arizona, and I'm just sick and tired of watching the process and thinking that elections could possibly be stolen.
How can I get involved in the process and get these socialists and fake conservatives out of office?
Look, it's sort of like what I was explaining earlier today.
I mean, how is it all of these other countries have paper ballots, same-day voting, and you get a result by the end of the night, and the voting stops.
It's over.
They can count everything in a day.
How is it now we are six days out of Pennsylvania's Republican Senate primary?
They should have not only counted every vote, they should have already had the recount, and we should have had the winner called.
And I don't see a date and time in which that's going to happen.
In other words, at some point, we have got to look in the mirror and say, why is it some states, all these other states in our country can get it so right so quickly, so perfectly.
And why are we waiting a week and still votes are coming in from this county and votes are coming in from that county?
And there's not many ballots left to count.
Now, I understand provisional ballots.
I understand the issue of military ballots if it's postmarked by election day, but there's not that many that's going to impact this particular race.
And at this point, it is just wrong because what it does is it undermines the integrity of our voting system and it undermines the confidence people should be able to have in the results.
And that is frustrating to everybody.
There's no excuse for this anymore.
And it's beyond all the other things that I say, integrity measures, voter ID, signature verification, chain of custody controls, partisan observers watching the vote count from start to finish, updating voter rolls.
No illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote.
Add to that, they've got to count the votes in a timely manner.
And they should be able to give you the results at the end of the night because all these other countries do it.
I would also end all early voting.
And I would only have one election day.
And you either make it to the polls or you don't make it to the polls.
Now, you might have absentee balloting, you know, requested legitimate reason.
Okay.
Maybe somebody's sick, can't get out of bed, cares about their country, wants to vote.
That would qualify them to get a mail-in ballot.
But that has to be handled with great care as well.
And we need checks and balances if, in fact, we do make those exceptions.
But there's no excuse that every other country can have elections and get results in the same day.
And we're like the laughingstock of the world.
This is the United States of America.
We need integrity in the system, confidence in the results.
And so everybody walks away from the election saying, okay, that's it.
This guy won.
That guy won.
This woman won.
This woman won, whatever.
And that's it.
We're done.
But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
If you want to get involved, my advice, I happen to like Attorney General Bernovich for Senate out in Arizona.
I know there's other good candidates in the race.
Pick the candidate you most like and walk into their office one day and say, I want to volunteer if you have time.
There's all sorts of things people can do.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you, Nick.
Appreciate it, buddy.
Vicki in Michigan.
Hey, Vicki, you got about a minute and 20 seconds.
Go.
Hi, Sean.
I'm from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Specifically, I love your policies on energy.
And I was just wondering, I told your call screener, I would like you to run because I don't see anyone else talking about those policies of opening the Keystone.
And you know that line five is under the Straits of Mackinac here and it's threatened to be closed potentially.
That's correct.
So I just wanted to compliment you.
I've just been listening for a few years and to invite you to run or to come to the Upper Peninsula at least.
Well, we might get out on the road a little bit more than we have been in recent years.
Honestly, I miss seeing people.
COVID changed all of our lives.
And I know there's an outbreak around the country right now, but I will say this.
You must not like me very much because if you run for president, you run for public office, they're out to just kill and destroy.
That's what it sadly has become.
And look, I watched this primary in Pennsylvania.
I didn't like it for a lot of different reasons, not the least of which is Reagan's 11th Commandment.
You don't have to go nuclear on your fellow Republicans.
And it went nuclear.
It was ugly.
And some people say, well, Hannity, you vetted Kathy Barnett.
I'm saying, look at her tweets, look at her statements, and then ask yourself, could she win a general election?
To me, the answer is no, I don't think she could.
If she had a possibility, it would be very remote.
And we need to protect that Senate seat.
That is a must-hold state for us.
But I appreciate your kind words and your vote of confidence, but I'm pretty happy doing what I'm doing.
I think I'm going to stay right here for a while, okay?
If that's all right with you, Vicki.
Sure.
Well, maybe if Trump gets re-elected, you could be our new energy secretary instead of Jennifer Grandholm.
I think I'm going to stay right here because I have no doubt that it'll be four more years of never-ending attacks against Donald Trump.
And somebody has to get it right.
And I'll take on that mantle proudly because we were proven right.
And we're often proven right.
You know, I know people, you know, James watches this, Linda watches this.
They attack me for my endorsements.
I only attack people that I know I'm telling you the truth about.
Person I got attacked for supporting the most was Donald Trump.
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