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I'm tempted.
I it just would take too much time, but I'm just tempted.
It's a great piece by Victor David Hanson.
One of the few people actually, I don't even, is he even with NRO anymore?
I don't know.
I I'm not sure.
I'm not sure where uh James printed this out from.
He writes this comment.
How much rune do we have left?
And if you're feeling like I'm feeling, I am if you if I had a meter about how worried I am about our country, the future of our country, the country we're gonna leave our kids and grandkids, at some point in your life, you know, you you get a little bit less selfish, and you begin to realize uh number one, you become more appreciative of your gifts in life, and that we're blessed to live in the greatest country.
I believe that God, our creator, ever gave man.
I really believe that.
We're we're a nation built on natural law.
What, Linda?
I didn't hear you.
Um, it isn't an R. Okay.
It is or isn't.
I didn't hear you.
It is, thank you.
And we we have natural law.
That rights come from God.
That's why we believe as conservatives in limited government.
That governments don't give us, you know, uh life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not equal results, freedom.
Freedom, what does that mean to live free, to pursue your God-given talents?
Why I always quote the Latin derivative for education at Ducarate, because to bring forth from within, well, that's predicated on the notion that God put in every human soul talent and ability.
That's why losing any life is such a tragedy.
It's why life is precious.
It's a gift.
And we'll never understand the mysteries of universes within universes within universes.
It's fun to contemplate them, but we're not designed to understand that at this point in our journey.
Maybe in the next side on the other side, we'll we'll learn it.
Um it's it's just so much to what he's saying here.
And he points out all the things that that a nation needs for prosperity and freedom and stability and political stability and the need for for the basics, financial order, security, a secure currency, a strong military, a strong educational system, which we don't have, which is so fundamental, so basic.
You know, it's like taking a ladder to success and ripping out every rung on the ladder if a kid starts out life without a good education.
And and that's the the unholy alliance with Democrats and the teachers' unions.
We have we have not serving our our children with their natural gifts the way they need to be served.
If you don't have law and order and safety and security, how the hell are you gonna pursue happiness?
You can barely walk outside your house.
All of this energy, the the lifeblood of the world's economy.
We reached energy independence, we're giving it up beyond stupid.
You know, we did something we hadn't accomplished in 75 Years.
And there are certain fundamental traditions that we have and and systems that we've built.
Now, some have not been built perfectly, but what our framers and founders provided a way to correct wrongs, right wrongs, and correct injustices.
And we have proven historically that we do that.
I mean, that's the amazing thing about Joe Biden's buddy, the former Klansman, the guy that that filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 64, the Voting Rights Act of 65, you know, partnering with the former Klansmen to stop the integration of schools and stop school busing.
You know, we didn't want schools to become in Joe Biden's words, racial jungles.
Imagine if Donald Trump said that.
We'll get to that later.
You know, we we have real enemies that exist in this world.
We do have hostile regimes.
Russia's one of them.
Putin's a hostile actor.
China's another one, probably the biggest threat now.
And President Chi, a hostile actor.
And you got North Korea and Kim Jong-un.
You had the Mullers in Iran.
And now we're cutting our military.
That's not good.
You know, and he discusses in this piece, and it's very thoughtful.
He's very academic, very smart, that he we're witnessing a concerted effort to alter the constitutional order, the good parts he's talking about, uh and centuries of customs and tradition that have served we, the people, very well, our constitutional republic.
And these institutions, what have I said before the election?
I was talking about major institutions now, these forces that have aligned against we, the people, you know, for example, the mob, the media, they lie regularly.
They they now are propaganda outlets for all things democratic, radical, socialist, and all things hate anything conservative.
You know, we have a 233-year electoral college, which he which he mentions in his piece.
That served our country well.
Emphasis on individual states and how our constitution uh authorizes specifically state legislators to figure out the means and ways and times of elections, et cetera.
Or 176-year-old tradition of a you know, one day, election day.
You know, not that well, we got to vote for a month now.
You know, that was so nefarious, so so insidious even about what Joe Biden calling Georgia's new law, Jim Crow 2.0.
He's been there, what, for 400 centuries representing Delaware?
And Joe Biden, he never lifted a finger to make voting more accessible as he refers to his slave state, the state of Delaware.
And his state has far more restrictive voting laws than the new Georgia law.
Georgia has 17 days of early voting.
Early in-person voting.
Delaware has none.
Georgia has drop boxes in every precinct.
Delaware has none.
And both Georgia and Delaware require voter idea.
How does he get away with saying Jim Crow 2.0?
How does he get a pass?
You know, aligning and praising segregationists and and and partnering with a former Klansman to stop the integration of schools and school busing, etc.
You know, we have a we we have a 50 state union.
There's a process.
They don't want, they want to bypass all of this in what is the biggest power grab ever.
Then, you know, offering not rewarding, lawbreaking people that won't respect our laws.
If you don't like the laws, Joe, you need the votes, Joe.
Those were your words.
And change the law.
Lawmakers can change the law.
They don't want to change the law.
So they just open up the just we have open borders now with the promise of amnesty.
By the way, something of great, great value.
And it's that now we're seeing record numbers of people head to the border of 152-year-old tradition of a nine-member Supreme Court.
Well, we we don't like the Supreme Court now because uh we didn't get to pick everybody, so we're gonna add four more justices.
It's a power grab.
The 170-year-old Senate filibuster, as he said, a bone hand idea packing the courts, etc.
He said before the election he lied to us.
Which of these do you support anything the legislative filibuster pack in the courts?
Support any of these?
None.
I support none of them.
But the squad is in charge.
It's not Joe.
The squad runs this the House of Representatives.
Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez, Congresswoman Taleb, Congresswoman Omar, Presley, and others.
This new climate, I'm looking at this climate summit that they're gonna have.
You look at all the monies, the trillions of dollars being, you know, we're told it's infrastructure.
It's not infrastructure, it's this new Green Deal madness to appease the squad.
You know, emergency COVID relief.
That that's more money to go as a down payment for the new Green Deal.
Another lie.
Joe got knocked over by the wind three times.
That's what happened.
We're supposed to believe that lie.
You know, I played Joe Biden from 1994 on TV last night.
My first thing I said is, wow, see what I mean?
He's weak and frail and struggling cognitively.
That's not the same guy that's that's in the oval office for a couple of hours a day, if that.
We need a strong military.
We need good schools.
These are the foundational things for our country.
And I'll tell you another thing that we need, and it's fundamental.
You cannot pursue happiness, find your God-given talents without law and order and safety and security.
They now want to take away the indemnity of police officers.
In other words, if a police officer gets sued, he'll have to hire his own lawyer.
Let me tell you how that's gonna end.
It's not that hard to figure out.
You don't need a degree from Harvard or MIT to figure this out.
It's gonna end with every criminal charged and arrested is gonna sue the cop.
Then the cops are gonna quit because they can't afford the lawyers.
That's what's gonna, that's how that is gonna end.
If you don't have a good education, you don't have law and order and safety and security, so basic, so fundamental, and it's fascinating when you look at the cities and the states run by liberal democrats for decades.
You look at them.
And what do we what have we learned about those cities and states?
They've done the worst job with schools and the worst job.
They have the highest homicide rates.
Now they're defunding the police.
Now the homicide rates and the murder rate is going through the roof.
By the way, the girl that was almost stabbed by McKea Bryant, and that cop didn't make the right decision.
We've been able to break it down frame by frame by frame.
He saved an unarmed, innocent girl pinned against a car's life as McKea Bryan is seen loading, meaning if you if you're loading up the bat her back arm to thrust that knife that is very clearly in her hand, right into this girl's chest.
And in a fraction of a second, the cop had to decide.
He made the right decision.
The girl that was almost stabbed, by the way, has now expressed gratitude.
Maybe somebody could tell this to LeBron James.
We'll get to him in a minute.
She came out with you with a knife earlier.
No, she just that's what the guy that's what a police came after me.
With a knife?
Yeah, so she so he got her.
He gave expressed gratitude to the police.
Let me it's it's and it's so sad.
All of these incidents are so sad.
Every life is precious.
Every life.
A 13-year-old in the state of Ohio was killed this Monday.
Stabbed to death by another 13-year-old.
Yeah, that's a lethal weapon.
Um Mikhail Bryant's neighbor even said the cop had no choice in this case.
This is not even a this is not a tough call.
You know, even some people on fake news CNN got it right for once.
Amazing.
Because they had no choice when you see the girl loaded up with a knife about to be thrust into another girl.
The cops saved that girl's life.
Now, by the way, he's now on leave.
Joyless Behart.
This is the dumbest thing ever.
Cops should have fired a warning shot.
Okay, Joy.
Pay attention.
It's not hard to figure out.
By the time that shot was fired up in the air, it was over.
The girl would have the knife in her.
Just like people shoot him in the leg.
First of all, you know, it's hard to hit the leg only.
There's a reason center mass is the target for police to prevent innocent people from getting shot.
And you have another this hard hitting news show, The View, Sunny Houston, I don't know how to say her last name, says the Ohio cop was wrong to interfere when a teenager's about to be stabbed to death.
Can somebody tell her that there was a 13-year-old girl in Ohio stabbed to death by another 13-year-old on Monday?
It's unbelievable.
We'll get to all of this.
We have a lot to get to today.
A lot of news out there.
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On the LeBron James issue.
Now, as far as I see this, I see this as a threat.
What LeBron James posts a picture of the police officer involved in the Ohio case.
And you're next in a, I guess an hourglass.
Is that what was in it?
Linda, you because you banned me from Twitter.
I only get to see the one James shows me.
Okay.
And all right.
And you think he ended up deleting it and then giving a I thought a pretty lame statement about it.
And you know, it's just sad that you have this rush to judgment.
What if something happens to this police officer?
This doxing of people, that's gotta stop.
Giving out addresses of jurors, that's gotta stop.
We know I don't think it was applicable in this case.
Jurors, the reason I support sequestration and the reason I support change of venues in high profile cases, is because you want to take any political pressure or as much political pressure off a jury.
If they're in the jury room, and I I don't think it was a factor here, but I do think it can be a factor.
We've got to pay attention to that.
That the that there will be consequences.
That's what made Maxine Waters' comments so insidious.
And we'll take a quick break.
We'll come back, we'll get to your calls today.
We'll have a debate on this Ohio case with uh Kareem Lanier and our friend Pastor Scott, New Kingrich coming up, much more, a lot to get to, and your calls 800 941 Sean.
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One Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, you know, it's sad when you see that the politics being inserted into sports.
Started, I guess, with Colin Kaepernick and taking a knee and the national anthem.
And then, of course, Major League Baseball, this idiot commissioner.
Why didn't he compare the Delaware restrictive voting laws that Joe didn't fix in a hundred centuries representing Delaware to the very non-restrictive law law that was just passed in in the state of Georgia before racing and just yanking it away?
That's not something I'm a part of.
But people the one thing that I think people are missing in sports, and one of the great things about sports is that if you go to a football game, go to a baseball game, you go to uh a concert, wherever you happen to go.
Um, I don't care if it's Major League Baseball, NFL, MBA, you name it.
If you look at the crowd, I mean, you have diversity.
And most people want to go to a game to have fun, to get away from their the daily stress of their lives, and and even the the world of heavy-duty politics, which gets intense and can be stressful in people's lives.
And the one thing that everybody in in, you know, if you go see a home team, doesn't matter who you are, what race you are, what your religion is, what background you have, you have something in common is you love your home team.
You love your school team.
This has not really, thankfully, yet really gone deep into college sports that I see.
I'll have to check in with Stephen A to get updated on that.
And and I think athletes are missing this.
It is a unifying moment for the country.
What I don't think they realize is as they politicize football and baseball and now basketball and other sports.
You know, I I'm saying people are just gonna they're just gonna say I don't they don't want to want any part of it.
And you're going to lose opportunities.
I like watching people that are the best at what they do.
You know, as a big huge basketball fan growing up, for example, you know, Willis Reed, Earl the Pearl Monroe, Walt Frazier, Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusher.
This guy recently passed away, and the crowd loved him.
He was a crowd favorite name was Wingo.
Call for Wingo to come out and play.
Just I loved it at the time.
I loved the matchup.
Larry Byrd and the Boston Celtics, DJ, Danny Ainge, Kevin McHale, Parrish.
I mean, it was one of the best lineups ever in basketball history.
And then going up against Magic Johnson with the Lakers.
I mean, a rivalry of all rivalries and and for Bird and Magic, that went back to college.
And you know, you look at LeBron James today, and just you know, such a talented, gifted athlete.
Um, and I don't think people realize there are other things that athletes ought to be that that they can be doing to take this goodwill that people naturally have an affinity, a love for their home team, and invite people, if they have a passion or a cause that's near and dear to their heart, maybe stopping violence in Chicago.
Let's start there, or stopping violence in any big city.
You know, it's amazing.
It's like I was a lone voice forever out there.
How come we don't know the names so often of people that are victims in shootings?
Why is it only a couple?
How many people know the names of the 103 police officers gunned down so far this Year.
How many people know the names?
Last weekend in Chicago, 26 people shot.
By the way, that's a relatively calm weekend for Chicago.
And the and the five people that are dead, do you know their names?
Why do we only know some names, some cases?
Because really we only hear about cases when they they fit a particular political narrative.
That's sad.
Especially if you believe that every life, like I believe, matters.
And every life is a gift, and that we're all created by the same God.
Um, and that I believe in that we as conservatives believe in natural rights from God, God given, not government given.
That's why we believe in limited government, greater freedom, greater liberty to pursue happiness with limited government.
You know, as Thomas Payne once wrote, government in its best state is but a necessary evil, and it's worse state an intolerable one.
Okay.
So LeBron James, well, I see this.
It was a public threat of this Columbia uh, I'm sorry, Columbus police officer, posts a picture of the officer's face on Twitter.
He has 50 million followers on Twitter with the caption, you're next.
Whoa.
Now, this officer, we now know the details of the case.
He saved a young woman's life who is about to be stabbed.
A knife is a lethal weapon.
In Ohio, a 13-year-old girl was stabbed to death by another 13-year-old girl, as I said this this past Monday.
You know, the image of the officer and the aftermath of this, and I'm just sitting there, and you know, despite this footage showing that this young woman, Bryant was attacking an unarmed other innocent young woman with a deadly weapon, blasting out the officer's picture.
You're next, an emoji of an hourglass, a hashtag of hashtag accountability.
Wow.
Pretty unbelievable.
You're next, you're next.
Well, how else do you interpret that other than it being a threat?
This officer saved an unarmed innocent young girl's life.
And and he he didn't have a lot of time to make the decision.
God forbid he made the wrong one.
This guy spent the rest of his life probably in jail.
But he puts himself on the line like that every single day.
Now he later deleted the tweet in this particular case.
I mean, the National Fraternal Order of Police slamming LeBron James over rightly so.
But that's that's the practice called doxing, basically.
A police officer that saved the teenage girl from being stabbed to death.
And then he goes back to Twitter to explain.
He says the anger he felt, he said, anger does not does anger does any of us does not do any of us any good, and that includes myself.
Gathering all the facts, educating does though.
My anger is still here for what happened to that little girl.
My sympathy for her family made justice prevail.
And I I feel the same.
Does anyone feel good?
That a 15-year-old girl was about to stab another 15-year-old girl and had and to save the unarmed girl's life, the police had had to shoot the girl with the knife that was about to be thrust into the other girl.
Nobody likes this.
We gotta stop this.
You know, everyone does.
Well, we can't do what Rudy Giuliani did.
Why not?
He's shown he's paved the way.
We can do it.
And then he went on to say, I'm so damn tired of seeing black people killed by police.
I took the tweet down because it's being used to create more hate.
This isn't about one officer, it's about the entire system, and they always use our words to create more racism.
So desperate for more accountability.
Look, I'm not gonna get into this with LeBron James.
You know, LeBron James actually somebody picked this up.
I guess Michael Moore had tweeted it in somebody retweeted it from 2016.
All lives matter.
Because I'm not up here saying at all police are bad because they're not.
I'm not up here saying at all, you know, all kids are great and all adults are great because they're not, but at the same time, all lives do matter.
And it's not just about it's not black or white.
It's not, it's not that.
It's it's everyone.
Uh he had it right then.
So I'm not really sure.
You know what the sad part is, too?
If if, and again, I'm not a boycotter.
Am I gonna still go to professional sports?
Yeah, but you know what?
It's adding the politics takes takes a lot away from for me.
Because it's a it's look, is it escapism?
Yeah, it's escapism.
By the way, now this goes further.
And it's the one thing that unites everybody.
A home team unites people.
That's good for everybody.
Ohio State students are demanding the university cut ties with Columbus police after Makia Bryant shooting.
I I'm I'm just stunned that you can come to any other conclusion than the obvious, which is the cop saved an unarmed innocent girl that was pinned against the car's life.
Having a hard time.
How would you feel if it was your daughter?
You know, Joy Behar once.
Why didn't he shoot a warning shot?
Okay, let's say shot the warning shot, Joy.
It's over.
The knife is in the unarmed girl pinned to the car.
That's why he didn't shoot a warning shot.
Or attempt to shoot the leg.
The leg would not have stopped this.
It was it was a load and uh uh the beginning of a thrust with a knife headed right for that girl's chest.
And we could see it in this case.
But body cams are you know, they're working.
It's um it's just it's a very, very hard time.
Now you're gonna take away indemnification of police.
That's not gonna end well.
And a seven-year-old boy fatally shot while riding in the car with his mother in Hickory, North Carolina.
That happened.
Did you hear about this case?
Shooting happened around 1112.
Anyway, it was driving with his mom, shot in the car, killing Harris, seven-year-old little boy, one-year-old, six-year-old, also in the car.
Remember the Chicago shooting, the the Jocelyn Adams seven.
Yeah, they had the vigil for that little girl that was shot at the McDonald's drive-thru.
Young girl's father was also shot.
We don't know what happened.
But a lot of this, you know, Steve Scalise actually, you know, Maxime Waters' comments that now opened the door, even as the judge in the Chauvin case said to a possible appeal or throwing out the verdict.
You know, he said to Maxine Waters, Steve Scalise, I was shot because of this kind of dangerous rhetoric.
Let me be clear.
Maxine Waters knew her rhetoric would incite violence in Minneapolis, but she doesn't care.
How come Democrats are never held accountable for the reckless ir insurrectionist language, if you will.
Donald Trump said, many of you will now peacefully patriotically march to the Capitol, so your voices will be heard.
That's not what Maxime Waters said.
And Scalise was clear.
Maxine Waters knew a rhetoric would incite violence in Minneapolis.
She doesn't care.
She just requests police escorts for herself, which we reported on.
I was shot because of this kind of dangerous rhetoric.
Gotta we got it lower the temperature here.
Apparently she lives in a six million dollar mansion.
It was a Republican, Republican living in a mansion.
But anyway, just all sad.
This point in time, everybody wants to politicize everything.
You had a New York a black lives matter protester raging against uh effing owner of a restaurant owned by an effing white man, declaring New York City a no white zone.
Gotta be kidding me.
This is the Comrade de Blasio's, you know, new vision for New York, screaming at outdoor diners staying.
Now, by the way, as if they haven't had a hard enough time, these restaurants surviving in the draconian shutdowns.
Stay the F out of New York.
Well, okay.
All this is going on.
Black Lives Matter.
There's a report at Oklahoma City storming the Capitol there.
GOP over a GOP bill protecting drivers, fleeing Riots and police from doxing, doxing these people.
It's not going to end well.
A lot of this.
I'm not really sure why the cop involved in the shooting, you know, is been put on leave.
I guess they want to get all the facts in.
You know, it's, you know, there's an interesting editorial in the New York Post today in an eye opener demonstration, Black Lives Matter activists, to talk about stay the F out of New York.
We don't want you here.
And what's the ideology here?
It goes on to say.
This effing restaurant owned by effing white men.
What is the ideology they ask?
It certainly has nothing to do with policing.
You know, it has nothing to do with the Chauvin verdict.
He's guilty on all counts.
Nor is it even about uh systemic racism.
By the way, and that's another problem.
We're getting lectured by Joe Biden.
Best friend of and the guy that praises segregationists and partnered with the former clansman.
Unbelievable.
Valerie Jarrett, she rushed to judge.
All the all the rushing to judgment.
It's unbelievable.
It's extraordinarily dangerous to this society as we move forward.
The girl stabbed, almost stabbed by McKea Bryant.
Thank the police who saved her.
Imagine if it was your daughter facing that knife and that load of that knife in that hand and what was about to happen imminently.
By the way, the povert uh poverty rate is soaring.
Uh Dow taking a huge hit on news of a capital gains tax increase, doubling uh under Biden.
It's gonna be awful for the economy.
Biden now proposing a trillion dollars more in new spending on top of the emergency COVID relief.
By the way, Saki was finally pressed.
We'll get to this later on whether Biden acknowledges his own role in systemic racism and praising former Klansmen and segregationists and not wanting integration of schools or bussing.
Anyway, got to take a break.
We'll come back, we'll get to that debate.
Pastor Daryl Scott, uh Kareem Lanier, both friends of the program, coming up next.
Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
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We've been in political media for a long time.
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That's why we started normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
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It's amazing to me that Joe Biden has gotten the pass that he always gets.
If Donald Trump had ever been out there in the past praising segregationist and Klansmen, former Klansmen, whatever, uh, I doubt the media would ever give him a pass.
And frankly, I don't think they should.
If Donald Trump ever, ever, you know, fought against the integration at any point in his life of our school system, because he doesn't want our schools to become, quote, racial jungles like Joe Biden did as he partnered with the former Klansman, Robert KKK Byrd, and praised him at his funeral, praise Strom Thurman's segregationists, etc.
I doubt that Donald Trump would get a pass.
Joe Biden that has been criticizing the new Georgia election law.
Well, in his state of Delaware, he's represented over 500 years.
Uh, far more restrictive voting laws than the new law in Georgia.
In Georgia, there's 17 days of early in-person voting.
In Georgia, there's a drop box in every county.
Every precinct, as a matter of fact, is a drop box, mandated by law.
In Delaware, there's no early voting.
And there's there's you need an excuse if you want to vote absentee.
Both states require voter identification.
And he calls it three separate times, Jim Crow 2.0.
So we're gonna get lectured from the guy that fought against integration of schools, partnered with the former Klansman, who also historically we know as a fact, he filibustered the historic 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Robert Byrd filibustered the 1965 voting rights act.
And it took Lyndon Johnson getting support from Republicans to make These historic gains to become a more perfect union.
It wasn't Democrats.
You would think.
So he's out there saying, you know, in case this Cleveland shooting with it with a cop saved the life of a young teenager, as you can see the knife clearly, you know, loaded and ready to be thrust into this this young girl's chest that was pinned to a car, and the cop had a split second and saved this girl's life.
The same state, Ohio, where on Monday, a 13-year-old stabbed another 13-year-old stabbed with a knife to death.
And here's this Gensaki is out there saying, you know, it's pointing to systemic racism, talking about this specific shooting of Makia Bryant.
And then uh blowing off a question about Biden's culpability and his own past decisions, which nobody's ever asked them, and then Biden believing the bar for convicting officers is too high in his new legislation.
Every cop that got sued by the people that they arrest would have to pay for their own lawyers.
Nobody will be a cop.
Nobody will be a cop.
It will be impossible to take that job on because nobody will be able to afford the lawyers.
Trust me, as somebody that hires a lot of lawyers.
Anyway, listen to Jen Saki.
She was a child.
We're thinking of her friends and family in the communities that are hurting and grieving her loss.
We know that police violence just proportionally impacts uh black and Latino people in communities, and that black women and girls like black men and boys experience higher rates of police violence.
So our focus is on um working to address systemic racism and implicit implicit bias head on, and of course to passing laws and legislation that will put much needed reforms into place at police departments around the country.
To what extent does President Biden acknowledge his own role in systemic racism and how does that inform his current policy positions?
Well, I would say that um the president's one of the president's core objectives is addressing racial injustice in this country, not just through his rhetoric, but through his actions, and what anyone should look to is his advocacy for passing the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act for nominating uh leaders to the Department of Justice to address uh long outdated um policies uh and to uh ask his teen leadership team here in the White House to prioritize these issues in his presidency,
which is current and today and not from thirty years ago.
Does he believe it's important to accept his own culpability?
I think I've answered your question.
Under current law, um it's a high bar uh for convicting officers of federal civil rights crimes.
Does the president think it's time to revisit this aspect uh the law?
Well, first, um, as the president alluded to last night in his remarks uh after the verdict was announced, uh, he believes the bar for convicting officers is far too high.
It needs to be changed.
Uh he's a strong supporter as he also conveyed passionately last night of the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, which does change the intent standard.
Obviously, there is negotiations that need to happen on Capitol Hill, but uh he believes the bar uh is too high.
Uh he believes the bar is too high.
Now uh any cop involved in any arrest uh with any lawsuit, every cop's gonna get sued every time.
Then no cop will arrest anybody.
That's how dumb that law is.
Uh Kareem Lanier is with us, co-chairman, executive vice president, board of directors, co-founder, urban revitalization coalition.
Our friend Pastor Darrell Scott is with us, chief executive officer of Urban Revitalization Coalition.
Uh now the Ohio cop has been put on leave.
I watched this video over and over and over again, Pastor Scott, and you see that the the this woman is holding a knife and she is loaded about to thrust that knife into this other young woman that's pinned against the car.
If the cop didn't shoot at that moment, that fraction of a second, it's probably likely that girl wouldn't be alive today.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Um the knife It is tragic, but yeah, go ahead.
If you know the trajectory in the direction that the knife was pointing, it was directed towards her vital.
So the it it uh uh definitely suggests that the girl would have been killed.
And not only that, here's a question that I have for uh this is the statement I say about myself.
If this were my daughter or my granddaughter in the pink jumpsuit who was on the receiving end, I would have thanked the officer for saving her life.
I would have made it a racial issue.
I would have made it a human issue.
And I would have said thank you to the officer for saving my daughter's life.
Because, you know, uh he had to make a split second decision to save a life, and sometimes in order to save a life, you have to take a life.
And uh, I mean, it's very unfortunate that this child was involved in the shooting.
It's very tragic and unfortunate that it happened.
But I I really don't see any other way around this.
Some are suggesting taser, but I don't think that would have been effective.
There's no time for a taser in this case.
And I'm I've been the one pushing for non-lethal alternatives for police and uh beyond the taser for a long time.
You're take Kareem Lanier.
Here's the issue here.
We got a situation where historically there's been a different relationship between black America and police as opposed to white America and police.
And so there's been a lot of situations, the Eric Garner's, the Tamir Rice, etc.
etc.
You can name a bunch of them, the Brianna Taylors, that were very, very controversial.
The bottom, uh the Bottom case in Dallas, very controversial situation.
Well, when you have a situation like this, which is very, very a very dicey situation, and that there was a young lady that had a knife on another young lady.
The problem is police are being trained.
I think police need a bit more training, and I'm extremely pro-police.
I'm a big uh advocate for blue.
Uh why why not shoot her in the leg or shoot on the arm?
Don't kill her.
Don't shoot her in the chest or shoot her in the head.
Do something to incapacitate her so that she doesn't harm anybody.
The problem is now this particular police officer, what what you're saying, standard police training is you shoot up at the biggest target.
You don't go for a head shot, you don't go for a leg shot.
The odds of you missing and some innocent person goes up dramatically to shoot upper body mass.
So, you know, if we start aiming for legs, I I'm I'm I don't know if that would have stopped this this young girl from thrusting that knife into the chest of this other young girl.
The problem with that, Sean, is this at the end of the day, police, especially in this day and time, they know the sensitive relationship that's happening right now between comps and black Americans come up with better practices.
Kareem, we got to slow down here.
This is important.
Okay.
You're the cop.
You see that that this young woman is loaded and about, and you see with the position of the knife, it is aimed right for the upper body mass of this other young woman.
That that that woman's life is an imminent danger.
That second.
Yes, it is.
And you're saying that we should maybe shoot, we should maybe shoot her in the leg?
Is that what your advice is here?
You you you you you don't shoot, you don't put four bullets in her back.
No, you don't.
You don't.
Listen, Tom, I come from black America.
I I live in a if you shot her in the leg, and I'm a marksman.
It's it's this guy happened to be a this was a very delicate very difficult shot that he had to take because there was another person in such close proximity.
Now he was he was very close to her.
But that I don't think a shot in the leg would have stopped what was inevitable at that moment.
What's your take officer?
Pastor, what's your take?
I don't think the cop was saying to himself, well, she's only a 15-year-old girl.
I don't think he did that.
I don't think he said to himself, well, she's black, she's not white, so I'm gonna shoot her.
I just think that was the moment.
He was trained to react in that moment, and he reacted the way he was trained to react.
I talked to some police officers uh some years ago, and uh black police officers, in fact, and I talked to them about why weren't police more apt to shoot the wound, and he said, We weren't trained to shoot the wound.
We were trained to shoot, as you said, Sean, upper body mass, not necessarily to kill, but you're not trained to aim at a leg or or arm, you're trained to shoot to prevent the activity of whoever you're shooting at.
And so once again, all I can say is this.
Yeah, but police are trained.
It's very difficult.
And the police chief actually answered this question.
It was asked yesterday.
People went nuts on social media, and And can an officer shoot the leg and shoot someone that would not result in a fatal wound?
And as the as they answer the question, one of the most difficult things, we don't train to shoot the leg because that's the smallest target.
We train to shoot upper center mass, which is which in that particular case was a bit was to stop the threat immediately.
This was here's the question.
Was the victim in this case that was about to be stabbed at risk of losing her life, imminent risk of death.
I think do we all agree the answer is yes?
Possibility.
No question about it.
Absolutely.
So Kareem, there really isn't any other option in that case.
I don't even see an option for a non-lethal weapon in that case.
I see another option here.
What?
You know, when you look at this, you you you keep saying that the police are trained to do this, right?
Okay, they need to be trained to do it another way.
We live in a different society now.
And so just like they're trained to shoot cinematic, they can be trained to shoot in the leg or trained to shoot an arm.
We watch many videos uh from other communities where you'll see uh an individual with a knife that that's white or of another color, and these police obviously they're trained to approach this a different way than they do in an urban neighborhood.
And the reason I say this, Sean, it's very simple.
I'm very passionate about this because I grew up in a very, very bad black neighborhood.
My mother was on crack cocaine.
I didn't know my father.
I've seen it all.
The the corrupt criminal justice reform uh or criminal justice system is the gateway to that are corrupt, bad police.
And a lot of those police are not in your neighborhood.
They're not in the neighborhoods I live in now.
They're in those neighborhoods that are very tough, and they have a tough job.
Policing is not an easy job.
But when they sign up for their job that job, they know what they're signing up for, and so we have to come up with better training methods.
Yeah, but you know, I'm I'm listening to you, Kareem.
I I would tell you, I want non-lethal alternatives beyond the taser.
I'm not a big fan of the taser.
It can be effective, but that's for close quarters conflict.
Uh I I've I've pointed out other alternatives.
I've been showing the burner gun, for example, on TV, and there are others.
And I would suggest that cops have that at their avail.
Uh then, but in this particular case, I think if the sh if the police officer started thinking about, okay, let me shoot for the leg, I don't think it would have stopped that knife from being thrust into this other young woman's chest.
And that girl might be dead today.
Well, well, uh let me let me jump in with this.
So I don't think we can have different standards of policing for different ethnicities.
Um I tend to try to give certain police the benefit of the doubt.
I just don't think, especially with this guy being a young officer.
I don't think he was taking into consideration age or ethnicity.
He was just taking in consideration the fact that it's a knife about to go into a belly, and he had to stop it the best way he could.
And once again, if it was my daughter on the receiving end of that knife, I'd be thanking that police officer for saving my daughter or my granddaughter's life.
Kareem, that's a great question.
Are you willing if that was your daughter when somebody's loaded to thrust a knife into your daughter's chest?
Would you want the police to sample and and see if shooting in the leg worked better?
This is a catch-22 question.
No, no, no, no.
That's a that that's a that's a real life question.
Listen, listen, I have two daughters.
I have two.
Okay, so so wait, don't duck my question.
Kareem, you gotta answer this.
This is an important question.
If it was your daughter pinned against the car, the knife loaded as we've seen that that still picture, about to be thrust into your daughter's chest.
What do you want the cop to do if it's your daughter?
I refuse to answer that question.
And I'm gonna tell you why.
At the end of the day, listen, it's a quest, it's a it's a catch 22.
Any any reasonable man would know to answer the question, right?
I'm gonna I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna do something I don't often do.
I'm gonna give you time.
I'm gonna give you time to think of your answer because I think you're ducking.
I think you're dodging the key question.
We'll come back more with Kareem Lanier on the other side, more with Pastor Darrell Scott on the other side.
Quick break.
We'll come back.
We'll also bring up the issue of LeBron James and much more uh as we continue.
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Kareem Lanier, co-chair, executive vice president, board of directors, co-founder, urban revitalization coalition, our friend Pastor Darrell Scott, been a friend of this show for many years, executive uh chief executive officer of the Urban Revitalization Coalition.
We're having a discussion about the the shooting that took place in Ohio, uh, where this officer to prevent we we've all now seen the video, we've seen it in real time, and it's very hard to see in real time.
And then we've seen it in slow motion, and then we've seen it where we actually slow down and and we actually have a still picture, and what you see is Makia Bryant loaded with a knife, about to be thrust into another teenager who's pinned against the car.
Now, we were just talking with uh Kareem and Pastor Scott about this, and I asked Kareem, okay, let's for a second, he said, Well, maybe police should be trained to shoot in the leg, and I explained why police are taught to shoot center mass and and what their training is, and he says, Well, we need to maybe train police differently if you're just getting up to speed with us.
And I said, Well, let me ask you this question.
Because the if if the if the police followed that advice, I would argue the likelihood that that knife attack would have been completed is very high.
And this is coming from somebody who's been a pistol marksman since I'm young.
But my question to you again, Kareem, and I've given you time now to think about it, is the same.
If it was your daughter that was pinned against the car, you saw uh another person with a a knife loaded, ready to be thrust into your daughter's chest.
That very likely could kill her.
What would you want the police to do?
Because you won't answer my question.
Once again, I'll plead the fifth, and I refuse to answer.
You can't plead the fifth.
You this this is real this was a real life situation.
You gotta answer here.
I've got two daughters, two beautiful daughters.
One thirteen, one fourteen.
Love them with all of my heart.
But I know what rabbit hole you're trying to walk me down and not going down that rabble.
At the end of the day, my point is very, very simple simple.
I am pro-police, and I'm not saying that this guy should be convicted of anything for what he did.
I guess what because he did save a life, potentially.
But just like he potentially said, I believe that he could have saved that life and potentially saved another one if in fact police were better trained.
That's all I'm saying.
You do you say they're trained to shoot cinematic?
Okay.
Okay, I'm all for more training, and I've gone over this in great detail.
But you cannot duck this question.
You're the one that brought up the idea of maybe we should train cops to shoot in the leg.
This is a real life example.
This happened.
The cop is on the scene.
The knife is loaded, about to be thrust in a second into another innocent unarmed girl's chest.
If that girl is your daughter pinned against the car and about to get stabbed, are you telling me you don't believe the cops should should should shoot to stop and and uh a life uh an imminent threat of death to your daughter?
Is that what you're telling this audience?
You wouldn't want the cops to stop an imminent threat to your daughter.
The problem here is you're generalizing and exceptionalizing at the same time.
Stop.
That's not true.
No, no, no, no.
Kareem, that's not true.
I am this is a real life example.
We've got the video tape.
I'm asking you, you love your daughters, and I believe I'll pray for your daughters, but God forbid it's your daughter pinned against that car.
That knife is loaded, a cop is on the scene, she's her life is in jeopardy.
She's about to be killed.
What do you want the cop to do?
You can answer.
You can't plead the fifth.
You're generalizing and exceptionalizing at the same time.
My daughter, that's an exceptional situation.
That's an isolated incident.
You're talking about my daughter, right?
We're talking about in general The girl pinned against the car was somebody's daughter.
Yeah, but you're taking you making a general situation, an exceptional situation.
It's not general.
Stop.
It's real life.
Let me get in.
I want to get in.
I want to get in with a couple of questions.
Can I jump in?
Yes, sir.
I have a I have a question right here.
Number one.
Would that girl have been shot if she did not have a knife in her hand?
No, I don't think she would have.
Kareem, do you agree with that?
I agree with that.
Are we m showing uh gender preference?
If she was a grown man, say she was a 50-year-old man about to stab that girl, would it have been okay to shoot him?
I don't know about that one.
But if it was a man with the knife about to stab a girl and and and he was shot, we would say the cop was a hero.
Now all I'm saying is I'm sorry, I'm sorry it happened.
I really am sorry it happened, and it's important.
I am too, by the way, for the record.
I'm very sorry.
It's sad.
It's sad.
Our children are our national treasure.
Let me ask you this, Kareem.
Let me ask you another question.
I mean, the timing was bad, and the incident was it was tragic.
I don't see any other way around it.
If the stabbing were finished, if it ha if if if that knife was thrust into that girl's chest, and I mean th you see a load, meaning full power attack into the chest of this young girl.
If that had happened and the stabbing occurred, we still likely would have a dead person here, wouldn't we?
Yes, Kareem Lanier.
Yes, we were.
And you're telling me if it's your daughter that was the one that would could could likely be dead, you wouldn't want the police that that had an opportunity of a fraction of a second to stop it, you wouldn't want them to stop it.
So now let's you won't answer.
No, no, no, no.
No, no.
Let me give you context on the flip side of that.
You're saying the stabbing.
Now I'll answer this question.
Here's the deal.
Those two young ladies, it was three of them actually.
They showed up at her house.
To the home.
They came at her house to attack her.
So what I'm saying is this.
Listen, I'm not justifying.
All right, let's say it was your daughter that showed up at her house.
Your daughter's now pinned against the car.
She's loaded to put the the knife into her chest.
What do you want the cop to do?
Okay.
I gotta go at some point, and I hate to do this because LeBron James kind of sort of threw this out there and made a mess of it.
But at some point, there has to be some sort of accountability.
My daughter is being the aggressor, and she's going to somebody's house to fight them.
I'm asking your if you if your daughter is the one about to be stabbed to death, pinned against the car, what do you want the cop to do?
I'm not answering that question.
I told you that already.
Hey, listen.
You want to know who's really talking conceptually Here it's you.
Because we're because Pastor Scott and I are dealing with a real life situation with a fraction of a second.
And and I I is it sad?
It breaks my heart.
I love children.
Every child is is the is made by our God above.
I believe that with all of my heart.
And every child has God given gifts and potential.
And and at that moment, it looked like one of those girls was gonna die.
No, it's not general, it's specific.
No, the general, no, you're making it specific in an exceptional way, and you're making it very personal in order for you to get the answer you want out of me with the bigger.
The girl was unarmed, Kareem.
She was unarmed.
But she was listen, listen, neither I don't want no kid to die.
I don't want nobody to die, right?
But we're still do I here.
Here's the issue we're dealing with.
The general issue that you keep trying to make a a specific exceptional issue, and that is the general issue is the policing and the police reaction to what he saw and how it happened.
And my thing here is this.
You see, you'll give me your concept, but then when we get to the specifics, if that's your daughter, you don't go near it.
And I know I'm gonna tell you why.
Pastor Scott, I'll tell you why I think he won't answer that question.
You ready?
Because as a father, he would want his daughter protected, and he doesn't want to say it.
Well, listen, let me say this.
I'll put it this way.
The girl that got shot had on blue.
Girl that did the gut that was about to get stabbed had on pink.
If my daughter had on the blue, no, I don't want him to shoot.
If my daughter has on the pink, yes, I do want him to shoot.
So that's the conundrum right there.
If if my daughter had the knife, of course I don't want him to shoot her.
I want him to disable it.
My daughter doesn't have the knife, I don't care what he does.
I just don't want that knife going into my daughter.
And I'm just being honest.
I don't care if he hit her in the head with the bigger.
All right, let's move on.
Let's talk about LeBron James and and that irresponsible tweet, Pastor Scott.
LeBron put out a tweet immediately took it back down.
I'll say this much about LeBron.
LeBron has uh a good PR because he spun it very well.
He spun it to say that whoever was um publicizing the tweet was usually it for hate.
And so he spun that very well when he took it back down.
The bottom line, uh I don't think sometimes he um understands the position that he holds as an influencer in America and not just a black influencer that he's uh uh uh uh a multiracial influencer, and I just think sometimes you have to be a little bit more responsible when you put something out like that because he was basically putting a target on that officer's back.
All right, Kareem.
You tell everybody what you think the answer should be on both points.
What the cops should do.
What do you want the cops to do and your thoughts on LeBron?
Okay, so let me let me go right to LeBron James.
And and this is this is very, very special.
LeBron James, and I'm gonna make this personal for you since you like to get into this exceptional stuff.
The first time you and I met, I met you at Pastor Scott's church, and you told me you practice jujitsu or some some some karate, uh Kung Fu, something.
And I'm like, you don't practice now.
Uh uh, I'll whoop you, you know, we're talking crazy.
He said, No, I really do.
And he said, Let me show you a move I can put you in.
So, no problem, Sean.
You're gonna put me in the move, you're gonna test something out.
You have me turn around, and then you put me in the chokehold, and then you tighten the grip up and and and and and try to choke me out.
I almost saying it.
That was the first time.
The second time I said, when I see him this time, if you try to put me in this chokehold, I'm at the whoop on Sean this time.
Sure as I remember, we get to the studio, and I hope Linda's listening, because we're in the studio, you tried to put me in the same chokehold, and I was very defensive.
Matter of fact, I found you around your studio a little bit, it was what it was.
That's the problem.
Well, you're making this out to be nefarious, and it was not.
We were two friends having fun.
I know, I know, I know.
I'm but I'm but I'm I'm I'm just having a good radio with you right now.
But but that's what happened with LeBron James.
When you are a part of a community that's been abused, Sometimes you overreact.
Sometimes you flinch.
Because you've been there before.
And so we've seen this happen over and over and over again.
And so I don't blame him for flinching or for overreacting or jumping out there a little too soon.
It's happened so many times.
And so he came back afterwards and he cleaned it up a little bit.
But I don't blame him for flinching because we've seen this happen so many times.
And listen, thank God Chavin got convicted and he went to jail.
That was the right verdict there.
But even with that, we still have to do that.
I was very outspoken against what happened to George Floyd, in case you didn't know.
Yes, no, you no, no, you were.
And I commend you for that.
But there's a lot of people that are on our side that's on the right that are pro-Trump, that are Republicans that really want to see people come into the uh other people from many my minorities and races come into the uh fold with us here.
But then there's other individuals that are very antagonistic, and it makes it very difficult for the.
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What did the cop what should the cop have done here?
The cop should have shot her in the in the leg, in the butt, in the shoulder.
Somewhere where you can actually get our attention, the knife goes away.
And the girl ran.
So as soon as the cop shot the young lady, you notice the one young lady in the pink, she took off running, she was gone.
You know, and listen, if you look at the reactions of the individuals, because I've watched this video a hundred times.
The guy that c he came out, he kicked the one young lady she tried to stab first.
I think it was a uh Mackay's father.
Kicked the young lady.
He put his hands up over his face when he heard the gunshots.
He thought he was being shot.
He had no clue.
It's that traumatic of an experience.
Shoot her leg, shoot it off, don't kill her in front of the.
I I would argue, and and I'll I I'm just, you know, you and I have gone round round and round with this.
And Pastor Scott will give you the last word for this.
We've done now we've been talking about this for an hour.
Is That likely would not have stopped the knife from being thrust into this girl's chest.
It likely would have responded a would have resulted with a a stabbing and li and possibly and likely even a stabbing death.
The only thing to me that makes the the national um story better is and that causes a lot of attention is because it's white cop black person.
Again, like this with two white people, a white cop killed a white girl for being about to stab another white girl.
I don't think it would have got the national attention.
It would surely wouldn't have gotten a comment from the white house.
I think with this socio-political climate that we have right now and this racial tension that the media is promulgating.
You know, with the with the George uh Floyd Derek Seldom verdict, this happened almost right on time for the media to run with something else to either fuel the narrative or to dis uh disavow a narrative.
Uh on the one.
All right, anyway, I gotta let you both go.
Shot another black person.
Uh might have saved a young African American woman's life.
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Well, the radicalism that we've been warning you about is now the reality.
And that is packing the court, DC statehood, Puerto Rico statehood to follow, ending the legislative filibuster, the new Green Deal, the Great Climate Summit, you know, lies being told, emergency COVID relief is emergency COVID relief, and it's not.
It's all down payments for the new Green Deal madness.
Now Joe wants another trillion dollars.
Then the infrastructure bill.
That that's more money for child care and everything in the Green New Deal, but they're calling everything infrastructure.
We're literally redefining words now.
Um here's Nancy Pelosi talking about oh, DC statehood is in my DNA, and and this this is a momentous day for our democracy.
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DNA.
District of Columbia, statehood.
Um statehood for the District of Columbia is about showing respect for our democracy, for the American people, and for our constitution.
That constitution begins with our preamble, we the people, setting out our founder's vision of a government of by and for the people.
Unbelievable.
All right.
All that we had predicted is now all becoming our nightmare, and this new Green Deal is being pushed.
A great article by Victor Davis Hansen.
And it's called How Much Room Do We Have Left?
And he talks about our destructive educational system.
He talks about losing our energy independence.
He talks about, yeah, we have a 233-year tradition of the electoral college, something many Democrats are now vocalizing they want to get rid of, and the Constitution's emphasis on individual states and establishing voting laws.
You know, Joe Biden gets to call the new Georgia voting law, you know, Jim Crow 2.0, his state of Delaware, he never lifted a finger, is far more mis restrictive than Georgia's.
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Anyway, Newt Gingrich joins us, sir.
How are you?
I'm I'm doing well, and I share most of your concerns.
Uh I think we are sort of pushing our luck.
And and uh the last few days have given us so many examples of how anti-American the Biden administration is and how destructive uh they are going to be.
Uh and I think that uh we we're just seeing the beginning of this, but I also think that they're gonna have a tremendous national backlash uh because the things they're doing are going to be so unpopular and the results are gonna be so destructive.
You know, it's it's I never thought in our lifetime.
Democrats for years, we we knew that they were they they slanted solidly left and lean socialist, but there was never a a point in time where there was so openly pushing and advancing well, one socialism and two, uh putting in in jeopardy the constitutional foundational institutions that has served us pretty well as a country.
Well, uh I I think from from their perspective they really are radical.
They really want to replace America with a very different country, and they really do believe that that this is their opening.
That they watched them, you know, they watched Clinton blow it uh and Republicans came roaring back two years after his election.
They watched Obama blow it, and Republicans came roaring back two years later, and they're looking out there at a very, very narrow House majority, and they're realizing the odds are much better than even that Kevin McCarthy's the next speaker of the House, and that that will stop every single radical idea they've got.
So I think they don't want to force March to try to see how much they can shove through uh before the the country just blows up.
But but they're also doing stuff.
I mean, if you if you watched the Biden Harris speeches the other night after the jury came in, they could have been given uh candidly by by the Chinese communist propagandists.
I mean, these were amazingly anti-American speeches.
And it was followed up yesterday by Tony Blinken, the Secretary of State, who tweeted an extraordinary anti-American tweet that literally could have been given uh by the Chinese communists at the meeting they had in Anchorage.
So you so every time you turn around, you're being reminded that that on every front, I mean, the reaction to the policeman who shot the young lady who was who was about to stab and potentially kill another young woman.
Uh the immediate White House reaction was this must be police brutality and proof of systemic racism, even though it was a young black woman whose life was being saved by the policeman.
And you have to ask, you know, what what would they have done?
Waited for her to be killed?
Uh, but they instantly had a reason.
I just had a guest on that said, well, maybe we should teach cops to shoot people in the legs.
That wouldn't have stopped that knife.
Well, not just that.
It's very hard to tr to train people well enough that they're good that they're going to go out there and try to shoot you in the arm or shoot you in the leg.
That happens in movies.
It doesn't happen in real life.
And by the way, if they shoot at your arm or your leg and they miss, one of the bystanders all of a sudden gets killed.
So there's a profound reason for the way that they're trained to shoot.
And the deeper question is this.
You're a policeman.
You see a young woman with a knife, and she's clearly about to stick it in the other woman.
You've just had south of there in Cincinnati, uh a 13-year-old woman uh kill another 13-year-old woman with a knife.
Uh that happened a couple days ago.
And so uh you're thinking to yourself, do I do nothing and this innocent young girl gets killed, or do I intervene?
And if you're gonna intervene, there's a very high risk, particularly if if the woman refuses to stop, there's a very high risk you're gonna have to shoot her.
And so but the thing that was striking to me was how quickly the Biden White House decided that they knew what had happened in Columbus, that it was all about systemic racism.
You know, I mean I mean, a white policeman who is saving a black teenager, um, you would think is something that they would praise, not something they would attack.
I and look, the skill level for that shot, those shots was at a at the highest level.
It really was, and I don't think people even fully completely can comprehend that.
You know, this is also coming from a Joe Biden.
If you remember the debate with Kamala Harris, she called them out on this.
Yeah, remember he he praised the former Kansman that filibusted the 64 Civil Rights Act and 65 voting rights act, Robert Byrd, former Klansman, and then partnered with Byrd to stop the integration of our schools.
And and because he didn't want our schools to be Joe Biden's words, racial jungles.
Uh he's the one that used the term predator and authored the 94 crime bill that disproportionately penalized uh minorities in America.
By the way, remember that years earlier, he also co-sponsored with Jesse Helms an anti-bussing bill.
I mean, but but but but by it's very clear though that Biden is now to I mean to the degree that he knows what he's doing, uh he has gone to the hard left and and he is now a radical.
I mean, his proposal, for example, on Earth Day to come out and say, you know, we we're gonna reduce uh carbon in the environment by 50 percent um in the next few years.
I'm sure that Putin and and Xi Jinping were staring at him like he was crazy.
Uh the Chinese don't even begin to level off until 2030.
They continue to increase the amount until 2030.
The Russians have no interest in any of this stuff.
Now, this is part of why President Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, because they were they were killing American jobs while achieving nothing for uh the the actual improvement of the earth.
We've had the best reduction in uh pollution with the greatest increase in quality of clean air of any country in the world.
And we've done it while economically growing because we use science and technology and entrepreneurship.
These other countries just you know they they go to the press event, they give big promises and they know that none of them are real.
They think they're a joke.
You know, I'm watching all of this.
What is the long-term prospect of this?
I agree with you.
Now, we're gonna learn a lot in the election of of 2022, because uh and I I do believe that the Republicans, if they if they are out there and are smart and articulate, and if they go with the Make America Great Again agenda, which I have now said to you many times in less than a minute, you know everything that I say.
I won't repeat myself.
If they adopt that Make America Great Again, America First agenda, uh, I believe they'll take back the House, and then we're gonna watch the Senate.
Because the if you want to talk about a bellwether for 2024, uh a Senate seat is open in Florida, Marco Rubio's seat, Georgia looks like Herschel Walker is gonna get in.
Uh we have one in North Carolina, maybe Laura Trump there, I don't know.
Sununu in New Hampshire, we're gonna watch that very closely.
Then you've got Ohio, I don't know who's running there.
Ron Johnson likely is gonna run again in Wisconsin and then Arizona.
It doesn't get to be any more of a bellwether than 2022 in my mind.
That's right.
And I and I think look, I think that there's a very high likelihood that uh you're gonna see a sweep election in ninety-four, uh, we swept everything.
And two thousand ten, we swept everything.
And the reason is, you know, people look at this stuff, they realize it's crazy.
Uh Biden is is uh I think right on the edge of becoming the new Jimmy Carter, combining total incompetence uh with a hard left ideology.
Uh and Carter just collapsed uh because the country looked up and said, none of this stuff works.
I think the challenge for Republicans is twofold.
One, as you pointed out, is to have a positive agenda that people can look at and say, Yes, that will make my life better.
And the other is to take apart the ideology of the left and get people to understand for the next two generations that these people are dangerous, they don't they did what they want to do will kill the country.
Uh I mean you you watch Biden's proposal which would just came out to radically raise the capital gains tax uh i is gonna crush the markets.
I mean, B Biden is working overtime between what he's doing on energy, what he's doing in terms of the atmosphere, what he's doing in terms of regulations, uh he's doing he's working overtime to kill the economy.
And uh I think it's gonna be very, very interesting to watch and then have the Democrats between the rise in crime and the collapse of the economy, have the Democrats bewildered because they can't believe that it's their ideology which is doing this.
But the truth is it is their ideology which has led to a radical increase in crime, it's their ideology which is gonna crush the stock market.
Uh, and I think people uh uh ought to be very careful and realize how much uh their their prosperity is at risk uh with Biden in charge.
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He said, You brought this up when we when we last were together when we last had you on, the idea, you know, how come you know, Marjorie, what's her name, Taylor Green, the new Congresswoman, says things when she's not even a Congresswoman, you know, then apologizes for the meets with Kevin McCarthy, is stripped of her committee assignments, and then you have the squad leaders, and I I'm arguing that they really control the Democratic Party.
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden are deathly afraid of AOC, Congresswoman Omar, Congresswoman Taleb and and Presley and others.
And I but there are never any consequences for their radicalism, you know, dismantling the the police or supporting the comments of Maxime Waters, uh, the threat that I I viewed it as a threat before the the jury was even sequestered.
Your thoughts.
Well, first of all, I was very pleased that Kevin McCarthy moved a privilege resolution that would have uh stripped uh waters of her chairmanship.
Uh every Democrat voted to back waters, and I think a lot of them are gonna have a very hard time explaining that vote back home as the murder rate keeps going up and and carjacking keeps going up, and we have the problems we're gonna have with crime, which are gonna be dramatic and painful.
And every Democrat in the House voted to protect Maxine Waters, despite what she had said, and the fact that she clearly uh I think as the judge pointed out was acting with total irresponsibility uh in uh in Minnesota.
But in addition in addition to that, I've also said that they should take uh Rashida Talib's uh committee assignments away because if you look at what she said about abolishing police and closing all the prisons.
Well, if you go to Michigan, for example, you would put thousands and thousands of murderers, rapists, armed robbers, and carjackers back on the street.
At the same time, you're eliminating the police who would have protected you from them.
I mean, what do these people think is gonna happen?
Uh and and you you just you know that this is a formula uh for for a terrible disaster.
It's a formula for seven-year-olds to get killed trying to go to McDonald's, which happened last week.
Terrible.
It's a formula for it's a formula.
The the rise of seeing in carjacking is astonishing.
Yeah, I'm only because of the constraints of time.
I apologize.
The murder rates in every city uh now up forty percent, much higher in cities that are defunding the police.
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Thanks for being with us.
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Uh all right, a lot of you have been very patient today.
We didn't expect to go the full hour with Pastor Scott and uh Kareem Lanier.
Um, but I think it's an important discussion.
One thing that I I need to note here, and it's very important, and I I mentioned it earlier today.
You know the girl that was almost stabbed by Makia Bryant?
She thanked the police.
She knew her life was in jeopardy in that moment.
And and I'm not sure why they suspended him.
We now have the video tape.
You know, one thing we we had advocated for years uh these these cameras on the on police officers, body camps, and car camps.
And now we're seeing a lot more, but in the in we're we're learning the good and the bad when cops have to make splits that we're learning a lot about policing.
I always love those shows, cops and what was the show live PD that the Dan Abrams did.
I love those shows.
Love them.
I mean I can't believe the work that these guys do every day.
It's so dangerous, too.
Anyway, tour phones, uh, we go, we say hi.
Uh Marty's first in Pennsylvania.
Marty, glad you call, says you're a former retired state trooper.
Thank you for your service, sir.
All right, and thank you, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
You do great work, and I so appreciate uh everyone at Fox getting the word out and and being fair uh in all your reporting.
And let me just say also, Sean, that that my opinion doesn't necessarily reflect that of the Pennsylvania State Police.
Um so I just I don't want to generalize that this is how the state police feel.
Twenty-five years, I've been retired, eight years.
Um, and I gotta say that that the rhetoric that's brought up right now is an insult to the many hardworking police officers, men and women, all races.
Uh it's an insult to what they do, and it really is an insult to our good communities throughout this entire great United States.
Uh the exchange between Kareem and the pastor, shoot a leg, shoot an arm.
We're trained to stop the action the by the fastest means.
We have many tools on our gun belts, whether that's verbally, whether it's by our by hand to hand, whether it's a taser, a baton, um, but it's gotta stop the action immediately.
And that's what I'm saying.
And that was the argument that we were having with Kareem earlier.
And by the way, he's a friend of the show.
We like Kareem.
We Pastor Scott's a very close friend of mine.
And uh, you know, I think pleading the 50 is copping out, and he said, No, this is conceptualized.
It's not.
There's a reason that a cop shoots center mass.
You would do a better job explaining it than I would, Um because you were trained in this.
You know, the idea that you're gonna shoot somebody's leg, uh that's not gonna stop that action on the thrust of that knife in that moment, in my opinion.
No, and and you're absolutely right.
We're trained not to to shoot at arms or legs, we don't shoot the maim, we do not shoot the kill, we shoot to simply stop the action, stop the threat right then and there.
We can go on and on about this, but there were other points that I really wanted to talk about too.
And and and and we go back to Floyd and Siobhan, all right?
Very tragic.
A man died, okay?
A man died.
Doesn't have to be a black man, doesn't have to be a minority man, but a man died while in police custody.
When you're taken into custody, you are entrusted to the care of that police officer.
Derek Chavon failed to do that.
And he should be held accountable.
And by all means, he was.
It was left up to a jury of his peers, and he was held accountable.
All right.
But the fact that you stick race into this and and use the word systemic racism, like there's a system.
You have a checklist every day.
You know, were you racist today?
Did you try to be racist?
You know, you know, you had to be racist three out of ten times that you that you interacted with people.
When you show up on scene, you don't know what the makeup of these people are gonna be.
And these people, again, not trying to generalize, but the people you're gonna deal with, okay?
And you have to make that split second decision decision.
And there's no systematic double standard that, well, if they are of this race, you have to do this.
And if they are that race or of this or that gender, you have a separate set of rules.
And it does not work that way.
And the rhetoric that goes on is just fueling this hate.
And when Nancy Pelosi goes on there and says that George Floyd sacrificed his life, he didn't sacrifice his life.
He was a victim, and in this case, it was a police officer was held accountable for his death.
George Floyd didn't run into uh do a hail of gun fire to save somebody.
He didn't run into a burning building to save anybody.
He did nothing necessarily heroic by those standards that he sacrificed anything, but a man died.
I I I you know, look, you're you're explaining something that a lot of people we we instinctively know, people that that support the police.
I always talk about the 99%, but there is the one percent.
They do exist.
I most people find racism ugly, repugnant, and evil.
Most people but there are racists.
There are ignorant people.
And there are.
And there are bad they're good and bad in every profession.
But I'm gonna get to some other calls, but Marty, uh, thank you for your service.
You're a state trooper for all those years.
I hope you're enjoying your retirement.
And uh I am.
And I just I I just want your listeners to know that by and large, and you you hit it spot on.
The people know the police are good.
They want to protect and serve.
But you're putting you're putting them out there to protect you, and then you're not gonna have their back when they take action.
It is the and I'll tell you this.
My last comment to you, and I appreciate the call, is that if they take away indemnification for police, in other words, that everybody that a police officer arrests can then sue that police officer, and the police officer would then have to be responsible for the financial burden of paying for a lawyer.
It's over.
Nobody can be a cop because people will learn very quickly, well, I'm just gonna sue the cop.
And then the cops won't will not be able to arrest anybody.
It's over them.
Natalie, Long Island, New York, Natalie, glad you called.
Thank you for being with us.
Hi, Sean.
I wanted to um talk about this whole issue of how much we hear that cops are racist, and this is all issue of racism between cops and the black and minority community, and how false that is.
Um I'm so frustrated by it.
And uh the the thing I don't understand is how so many people say, Well, yeah, somebody has to do something about that.
The president has to do something about that, all of our elected officials.
But racism, you will have good and bad people, as you said, in all walks of life.
Racism is something that is in the soul.
It is a human, it is part of a human condition.
You can't legislate that out.
You can't tell somebody Stop being that way.
That's a part of the human condition, unfortunately.
Some people choose that.
You cannot have somebody say, Well, when I run for office, I'm gonna fix that, the racism.
It doesn't work that way.
There's race racist people, there's good people.
And I you know, one thing I don't understand, if we're going to put so much attention on all of these videos of officers that have had to take the lives of others, but not why because they wanted to.
Why are we not giving the same amount of time to videos such as the officer who fully respectfully pulled over a man in New Mexico and he was respectful to that man for the whole entire uh duration of that pullover?
And if anybody watches that video, it will break your heart.
That man treated that subject perfectly fine, and the man gunned him down in cold blood.
We need to have an equal time here.
And and we cannot have the conversation if people are going to refuse to answer questions.
It's it's to me it is it's sad that you can't have the conversation.
How many how many, you know, I I'm sorry, but we were way ahead of the curve on this, and it's not a pat on our back.
I'm not saying it for that reason.
I'm just pointing out, you know, why is it that we seem to only hear about instances that fit a particular political narrative when every single weekend in every single city, especially these big cities run by liberal democrats for decades.
You got uh you got your sh how many got shot count, how many were shot and killed count.
Nobody knows the names or here's the names of the hundred and three as of a couple of days ago.
Police officers killed in the line of duty with gunshots this year.
That's nobody knows their names.
No, they don't.
They don't get equal time, and I'm gonna tell you I wasn't gonna go there, but m my son is a police officer, he's a New York City police officer, and when he announced to me and my husband that he wanted to be a cop, the conversation he had with me was Mom, are you disappointed in me because I want to become a p a police officer and I what a lump in my throat.
No, I said, I'm honored, I'm humbled, I'm proud of you.
But what I have to be afraid of, I said to him, unfortunately, I should be more afraid for your life, but I'm not.
I'm more afraid that your livelihood could be taken from you, that you could be put through hell for doing your job.
You could be sued.
You could be ruined because that's a tenor.
It's especially now it's getting it's getting almost untenable.
Anyway, I appreciate your kind words.
Praying for your son.
I mean, look at the way cops in New York are now treated.
They get, you know, buckets of uh huge buckets of water poured on them.
They get their car they get abused with bullhorns.
They get called pig, get the F out of our neighborhood, etc.
etc.
That's happening every day.
A lot of good that defunding thing of the police, cutting the police a billion dollars in New York City did.
A lot of good the no bail insanity in New York is doing.
Everybody's leaving in droves.
Uh Gilbert is next in the uh ever so peaceful city of Chicago.
How are you, sir?
I'm good, Mr. Hannity.
Thank you so much for taking my call this afternoon.
Thank you.
So I just wanted to say that, you know, pursuant to the the recent opinion that came from the Derek Shauvin case.
You know, here in Illinois, we have offici officially we're getting rid of cash bonds.
Um there's talks of getting rid of qualified immunity for police officers.
And I think the state of Illinois is gonna be one of the first states in the whole union spearheading it of the attack on the thin blue line that keeps civilized society safe from criminals.
Well, they've already done this in New York.
The the immunity you're talking about is the indemnification if police officers get sued, if they have to be if they're financially on the hook and they have to pay for their own attorneys, that they won't they don't make enough money to hire these attorneys.
And there'll be a lawsuit every person that's arrested will sue.
Absolutely.
And I I I think it's terrible.
Um, no, it'll be it no it will be untenable.
It will it I guarantee you you'll see mass resignations and you will nobody will become a cop because nobody's gonna be able to afford it.
Look, you know, I'm I'm fortunate, and I wasn't so fortunate early in my life.
I never thought I'd have to have as many lawyers as I have to have, you know, as my lawyer says to me every d every once in a while, reminds me, uh, it's the cost of doing business.
I'm like, really?
It's a pretty high cost.
And I understand it.
Um I'm grateful that I can afford it, but I shouldn't have to.
And and cops cannot afford these lawyers.
Cops are called to serve and protect.
You gotta pay for a lawyer with every person that you arrest.
It's over.
You gotta leave that profession.
You can't do that job anymore.
Absolutely.
And you know, just just recently we had a shooting of uh a 13-year-old armed.
He had a firearm uh in the city of Chicago here, and it created a whole bunch of civil unruts.
And I do believe that what is happening, the attack on our police officers, it it it just seems like it's so much of a coincidence that the the Democrats they want to pack the Supreme Court at the same time.
And what I'm getting at is the court of last resort doesn't just, you know, say decisions about the Bill of Rights.
They also hand out decisions like Tennessee versus Gardner, where they said a police officer could use deadly force to prevent a a fleeing felon.
And if the Democrats get the ability to add these four additional justices, we're looking at a complete turn on everything on it on its head.
They're gonna turn the court into a politicized weapon.
And will be, let me just echo your remarks.
It would be an unmitigated disaster for the country.
I I referred to Victor Davis Hanson's article earlier.
Um it would be a disaster.
And I honestly, I I it will not end well for the country.
Gilbert, appreciate it.
Uh we have time for Christine in Ohio.
Hey, Christine, about 90 seconds are all yours.
How are you?
Okay, hi Sean.
Thank you for having me on.
Hey, two things.
I w I heard you on Tuesday, right before the verdict come down, talk to the girl who wouldn't answer the question.
Is it wrong to throw things at the police?
And I will say, absolutely, yes, it is wrong.
And you know, it's crazy how they want to do it, have both ways.
Um, same with your guy you had on uh earlier that with the reverend.
I can't remember his name, I'm sorry.
Could you imagine though?
Rocks, bottles, bricks, Molotov cocktails, three thousand injured cops.
Why is it so hard to just say that's wrong?
Those cops didn't do anything wrong, they're doing their job.
That's right.
I have friends that are police officers, I have a cousin that's a police officer.
And you know, I I would hate to think that that you know that that could happen to them.
And the second thing is is I would hate to think that they have to hesitate before deciding whether to shoot or not.
If you know, is the situation what should I do?
You know, and by that time, either their dead or the person that's you know, against the car is.
Well, I appreciate you.
Listen, I'm just gonna say this.
We're at a we're at a crossroads as a country.
And here's my simple advice.
And I'll I'll start with you, Christine.
I want to deputize every one of us out there, every one of you hearing me now, and understand that we're all spokes in a wheel, and understand that the future of this country is hanging in the balance, literally, and what kind of country we're going to be.
2022 matters.
You gotta start paying attention now.
We don't have a lot of time.
These state laws on elections, we need integrity, confidence, our election system, and we need to elect people that represent the values that is always made America great.
We'll continue.
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