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We have a couple of new police incidents that we're going to discuss today, including the shooting death of a 15-year-old.
It's such a tragedy.
You know, police officer arrives on the scene, and you look at this moment, and you don't really see the knife in real time.
She's literally, she's loaded and ready to plunge a knife into another young girl.
And the police officer, to save the life of the girl that's unarmed, shot this girl.
I'll get into the politics of this in a minute because there is politics, of course, with everything today.
Just a lot of craziness out there.
Anyway, oh, in Minneapolis, you're going to love this.
You have a city council candidate publicly encouraging Black Lives Matter rioters to burn down wealthy neighborhoods.
If you feel like burning shift down to target wealthy communities instead of the poor ones, she's going to make a great council member for Minneapolis.
Great.
We had an incident in Portland.
Rioters smashing windows at a Starbucks.
There's video footage of that.
The police officer was surrounded.
And by the way, this is after guilty on all three counts in the Derek Chauvin trial.
It showed an officer being surrounded and punched in the face by a masked individual dressed in black.
Oregonian newspaper posted the video, reported there had been a heated confrontation.
The individual that punched the officer in the face could be seen, you know, apparently was in another incident with another officer on a bicycle.
The officer who was struck grabbed on to the individual as he fell, and then other officers piled on.
And it's just unbelievable.
Now, this case out of Columbus has gotten a lot of attention.
And we're getting the usual, the predictable rush to judgment thing going on again, which is never good for anybody, ever, under any circumstances.
And in this, like Valerie Jarrett, for example, tweeted out, and I'll tell you the facts of the case in a second.
A black teenage girl named Makaya Bryant was killed because a police officer immediately decided to shoot her multiple times in order to break up a knife fight, demand accountability.
Okay, We have the videotape here, Valerie Jarrett.
We know what happened here.
We got the video from the body cam footage video from the Columbus Police Department.
And yeah, it does show the officer firing shots to protect an innocent other teenager.
You could see literally the knife is in the hand.
When you go frame by frame and you slow this down, and I've now watched it many times, and frame by frame, she's about to plunge.
She is loaded for a full-on thrust of a knife into this other unarmed girl.
And that officer likely saved that girl's life and prevented the stabbing of another person.
Then, of course, others rushed to judgment.
We got another case.
I can't explain this.
This was in the New York Post.
Their headline is: at least nine teenagers shot at a 12-year-old's birthday party.
There were 60 attendees, and not one of them will make a formal statement of what happened to the police.
The gunfire around 8:40 p.m. local time in Louisiana.
At least nine kids struck under the age of 18.
Seven of the nine victims were treated and released.
Two victims remain hospitalized.
Can't believe nobody died when you have that many people shot.
Thank God it didn't happen.
Investigators think the shooting was the result of a dispute between two groups of young males that two guns were fired during the shooting.
In that case, of course, we have the Chicago mayor throwing the police under the bus, failing to call out gang violence in the case of this seven-year-old little girl that was shot while going through a McDonald's drive-through.
I mean, this is in Chicago's 15th ward.
Alderman Raymond Lopez, who we interviewed recently, said that Mayor Laurie Lightfoot, lightweight, has thrown police under the bus, failed to call out gang violence.
You know, it's an interesting phenomenon, and I don't have a good answer for you.
And that is, okay, so during the Biden-Obama years, we scroll the names of all these people being shot and shot and killed in Chicago.
Names you've never heard of before.
You know, last weekend, it was 26 people shot, five people dead.
By the way, that's on the low end of a typical weekend out of Chicago.
And nobody knows the names of the five people.
Nobody knows the names of the 26 people.
Why do some cases get all the attention and other cases do not?
With all these years of scrolling the names of lives lost and shootings that take place every weekend, you would think that there would be some sense of urgency to stop the violence.
There's not.
I don't see the urgency at all.
Not one bit do I see the urgency.
You know, it's just these are unbelievable times we're living in.
And then you get, of course, those that will politicize it, like Valerie Jarrett.
Hey, Valerie, take a look at the watch it frame by frame.
Now, as part of, I've talked a lot about my training now.
I'm in my eighth year.
I'm a student of martial arts.
It's an eclectic blend of arts, crab magazine Kempo, Japanese jujitsu, boxing, situational street fighting.
We use sticks, blades, firearms.
And I've said this before, and people don't hear me, nor do they really fully understand.
If you ask anyone that's had any training, they'll understand what I'm about to say.
And what I'm saying is very specific.
And that is, if I have a choice, if I had to defend myself close quarters, key words here are close quarters against a firearm or a blade, I take the firearm every time.
And we practice situational self-defense.
For example, the gun will be held in front of me.
You put your hands up and you try and strip it by getting the gun offline, breaking the finger, assuming it's in the trigger, and then stepping back, you tap rack and you put your four over three, then you have the gun.
Or if somebody puts it on my forehead, right at my forehead, you know, what do you do?
If somebody puts a gun, well, first thing I'm going to do is quickly, and it's now its reflexes now because I practice it almost daily, and I'm going to push the gun up in the air, turn it around, break their finger, jam the gun into them, strip it, step back, tap rack and four over three there.
Or if it's at my back, you know, first thing I want to do is I'll take it up quickly.
You move a hand, you get the gun offline, you fight the man, break the finger, strip the gun, and step back, and now you have the firearm.
It takes a lot of skill and a lot of repetitive training to get there.
And I wish cops had more time to do all of this.
They don't.
That's why I say, okay, more training is needed.
You know, there was somebody that tweeted out, a knife fight is when two people are fighting with knives.
When one person is trying to use a knife on an unarmed person, it's often called an attempted stabbing or attempted murder.
Well, yeah, I would say that that's true.
How this police officer actually reacted that quickly probably saved somebody's life.
A knife is a lethal weapon by every legal definition.
And it's simple common sense.
By the way, defending against a knife is much harder at close quarters, key words, close quarters, than defending against somebody with a firearm.
I like my odds better going up against the firearm.
Because if somebody, I mean, you could do, if you know how to use a blade, or if you're about, I mean, this 15-year-old girl was literally loaded up, had the knife cranked back for a full-on, powerful thrust of that knife into that other unarmed girl.
I don't think that girl would have survived if that was a successful attack.
But of course, the usual people rush to judgment.
And you have a top Obama advisor demanding that the cop be held accountable.
He saved another teenager from being stabbed to death.
I mean, it's unbelievable to me that rushed to judgment.
That's Valerie Jarrett.
And you have Joe Biden out there insulting everyone in the country.
And I'll say up front, are there people in this country that are ignorant, that have evil in their heart, that are racist?
Yeah, of course there are.
Yeah, evil exists.
There are dumb, ignorant, stupid people that are racist.
There are.
But that's not the majority of the American people.
Most Americans are not racist.
Most Americans deplore racism.
Have we made progress?
Yeah, we made a lot of progress.
No thanks to Joe Biden's friends or Joe Biden himself, to be very frank.
You know, we had a civil war that we fought in this country.
Did we forget that part?
You know, if you look at the Underground Railroad, Harriet Tubman's life, there were many people that were also white that helped free slaves and fought a war to free slaves and end the evil of slavery.
And then, of course, we have the 64 Civil Rights Act, the 65 Voting Rights Act.
Yeah, that was filibustered by the guy that Joe Biden praises, the former Klansman, Robert KKK Byrd, the same Robert Byrd, former Klansman that Joe Biden partnered with to stop the integration of schools because Joe said he didn't want our schools to become racial jungles.
Now he's out there lecturing the American people, accusing the United States of deep-seated systemic racism and literally praising the conviction and saying the guilty verdict is too rare.
The systemic racism that's a stain on our nation's soul is coming from the guy that didn't want integration of schools, that partnered with a Klansman and praised the former Klansman.
Good grief.
These are the times we live in.
And then you have this madness moving forward of defunding and dismantling now the police.
That is being pushed by many.
We had a couple of incidents.
One was in New York last night.
We had Black Lives Matter protesters telling white people dining outside to get the F out of New York.
And that was not the only example where that happened last night.
Happened at, where was the other one?
I forget.
Oh, outside the Minneapolis courthouse.
All cops are bastards and get the F out.
And the same thing at this New York restaurant.
Tell white people to get the F out of New York.
Wow.
But is that the majority of the black?
No, it's not.
It's a small minority of people that believe this, think this way.
Sad when you hear it.
By the way, Joe Biden, the author of the 94 crime bill, you know, when he called young African-American men predators, now we're going to listen to him and get lectured by him on systemic racism.
We got another video showing a pipe-wheeling, you know, a suspect shot by police in Illinois.
You know, one thing I will say that these body cams are giving us a perspective we never had before.
We've been calling for those for years.
Biden called the violent riots over the summer that he never addressed, that Kamala Harris said is not going to stop and shouldn't stop.
And beware and take note on both levels.
They're not going to stop.
They shouldn't stop.
We're not going to stop.
And we shouldn't stop.
And he talked about those riots causing billions of dollars in damage and 3,000 cops hurt and dozens dead.
He called them, you know, peace with a purpose.
No, that wasn't peace with a purpose.
A riot is a riot.
Insurrection is insurrection.
It was wrong what happened on January 6th.
It was wrong what happened last summer.
Why is that so hard for some people to, you know, call something out for what it is?
Not that hard for us here on this show.
The truth is the truth, period.
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Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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And as we roll along, 800-941 Sean, this announced, ABC News reporting, Joe Biden's Attorney General, Merrick Garland, has announced an investigation into the Minneapolis Police Department to determine whether it's infected with systemic racism.
Now, the last time the Minneapolis PD was put under a microscope after George Floyd's death, the cops were handcuffed, handcuffed, literally, they stopped working.
Remember the whole defund the police movement?
Remember the precinct was burned to the ground there.
That's Kamala Harris supporting the bail fund to get rioters out of jail.
Anyway, the homicide rate then skyrocketed 64%.
And one plus one equals two.
If you don't have police, you're going to see what we're seeing nationwide.
Nationwide, it's almost 40% an increase in homicides around the country.
In some cities where they've defunded the police, it's much higher, including Minneapolis, including Louisville, including Los Angeles, where Kamala Harris praised the defund effort out there.
I mean, this is a I'm just trying to understand it.
It doesn't make sense.
Now, Rudy Giuliani, you may not like his politics.
Forget it.
You can't deny he saved a lot of innocent people's lives with tough policing, and he sent cops and used resources wherever there was the greatest need at any given time.
New York City is a big place.
And it's small, but it's a lot of people.
All right, we got a lot of other news we will get to.
All things Bill O'Reilly, Sergeant Penny will join us.
Reverend C.L. Heavyfoot Bryant, remember he says he invokes Jesus to get out of a ticket.
Cracks me up.
We'll continue.
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I don't think it was a factor in this case.
It's going to be interesting when the judge excoriated Maxine Waters for her comments leading up to the jury making their decision, which can be viewed as extremely intimidating.
And look, I don't think it was the case here.
If you ask me what convicted Derek Chauvin, the two biggest factors were the nine minutes and 29 seconds of videotape.
And I do think it was very powerful.
The images, I'd never seen them before until the day after closing arguments in the New York Post of the injuries that George Floyd sustained.
Now, Michael Bodden had mentioned it when we interviewed him at the time.
He did one of the autopsies of George Floyd.
And, you know, you see how badly bruised George Floyd's face was from having the knee, you know, pushing his face into the pavement.
I mean, the injuries were substantial.
The same with his shoulder being pushed into the pavement.
Now, that's the amount of force.
Again, go back to my martial arts as a student training.
You know, a quick targeted strike to the jaw and the carotid artery, I promise you, if I hit the target, you're going to go down.
One shot, you'll go to the ground.
And if you try to stand up, you likely won't be able to stand up for a while.
Because it's that effective a shot, that's a fraction of a second.
So I think between the nine minutes and 29 seconds and the testimony that this is not the way officers are trained by the chief of police, I think it was a done deal.
But I will say this going forward, is that we can't have juries going into a jury room if we believe in due process, if we believe in the presumption of evidence, innocence rather, and have them some type of intimidation from the outside.
You know, it often, I wonder why they don't do this more often, but I am a big supporter of change of venue for high-profile cases for very specific reasons, and they didn't do it in this particular case.
Now, people like Alan Dershowitz are saying, hey, he's likely going to win on appeal, and it'll be interesting to see if that is brought up.
And we're going to watch that closely.
We had on last night Jonathan Turley.
He made an observation that I hadn't thought about, is you still have these other officers that were involved in the case.
They didn't have their knee on George Floyd's neck, but there are charges pending against them.
And literally the prosecution made the point that they tried to help George Floyd.
And I wouldn't be surprised if those words, if they were to go to trial, if this thing goes to trial, if they don't come to some type of agreement, if that would be used against the prosecution, their own words.
So we'll have to wait, watch, and see what happens there.
You know, you just go back and you look at Joe Biden praising the former Klansman, stopping integration of schools with Robert Byrd, the guy that filibustered the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act.
You know, they didn't want schools to become integrated because they didn't want schools to be racial jungles.
Joe Biden's words, Joe Biden, a crime bill, predators on the streets, that Joe Biden.
Now, I just find what's sad is most of the country does not know this because Joe Biden was in first the candidate protection program of the media mob and big tech.
And now he's in the presidential protection program from the media mob and big tech and everybody else.
And but I'll tell you, none of this is going to end well.
And, you know, Biden, if he wants to make allegations of systemic racism and.
And it being a stain on our nation's soul, John Cornyn said it was a verdict against one officer based on individual facts in one case.
I accept the verdict.
No need to slander law enforcement generally in the vast majority of police officers that risk their lives every single day.
Secretary of State Blinken echoes Biden's comments.
And remember, they've already begun their own little version of the apology tour that Obama had.
Now Biden wants critical race theory.
We'll spend some time on this in the future.
And the 1619 project taught in schools.
So now that's going to become a big issue in the country.
You know, Joe Biden, author of the 94 crime bill, says we've got to confront head on disparities in the justice system.
A lot of it is because of that bill.
It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society.
The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons.
So I don't want to ask what made them do this.
They must be taken off the street.
We should focus on them now.
Not out of a liberal instinct for love, brother, and humanity, although I think that's a good instinct, but for simple pragmatic reasons.
If we don't, they will, or a portion of them will, become the predators 15 years from now.
And Madam President, we have predators on our streets.
You know, if you want to go to the Twilight Zone part of this, you know, Biden yesterday praising the summer of love, the autonomous, the Chaz, the CHOP, spaghetti potluck dinner zones.
We had city streets, entire city blocks taken over by anarchists and by radicals, taking over police precincts, burning police precincts to the ground.
We had almost 3,000 officers injured, dozens and dozens of people murdered last summer, you know, saying that this, that last summer's protest, which he barely addressed in the middle of a campaign, ignored, didn't even mention it once at the DNC.
His choice for vice president, by the way, was critical of Joe Biden on the issue of race and really took him down in a debate, but supporting a bail fund for arrested rioters.
This was after the police precinct was burned down in Minneapolis.
He's now saying that it unified people of every race and generation in peace and in purpose.
What is he trying to say here?
That's revisionist history.
You're ignoring the rioting that took place in all these major cities last summer with all these injured cops and all these injured people trying to tell us that, oh, they're mostly peaceful protests.
No, they weren't.
I don't even know what to say about Nancy Pelosi, quote, thanking George Floyd for dying.
People say, whatever.
I'm not even going to go there.
Minneapolis's mayor now giving, you know, saying his life bettered our city.
There's not a lot of good that came out of this.
While the officer responsible is been held accountable and will be held accountable, he's still not, he's still dead.
It's tragic.
It's sad.
It was unnecessary, especially knowing everything that we know.
And then people on the left, you know, AOC and others, the squad, saying the decision didn't go far enough.
You know, I'm basically say Joe Biden celebrates some justice.
AOC calls conviction not enough.
You know, and it goes on from there.
The squad, by the way, we found out recently, they spent thousands of dollars on private security for themselves while demanding police be defunded.
I've yet to hear any congressman or woman talk about disbanding, defunding, dismantling the Capitol Police.
Not one.
I see Gavin Newsom's wife is weighed in, blaming toxic masculinity for what happened to George Floyd.
Okay.
House Democrats standing right by Maxine Waters.
I'm telling you, the radicals in the squad, Maxine Waters, they're in charge in the House of Representatives.
Nancy Pelosi is scared to death of the most radical elements in her party because she knows her job's on the line if she dares goes against them.
And that's why they don't.
And same with Chuck Schumer.
He's scared to death AOC will run against him for the Senate.
He might even lose.
And he knows it.
Joe Biden, I don't even know if he knows what day it is.
Anyway, 800-941-Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the program.
Talked about this case.
I mean, I looked so often at this case out of Columbus, and it was so obvious.
A lot of people asking what will the sentence be?
I don't know.
They're going to have this whole discussion about whether or not this case would warrant a higher sentence than the possible 40 years that Chauvin is facing in prison.
That's going to be discretionary, but they will have a hearing on it.
The ultimate sentencing takes place in eight weeks.
You know, it was interesting.
Foxnews.com had a piece about Derek Chauvin's verdict.
What's next for the three officers charged with aiding and abetting George Floyd's death?
Well, now that Derek Chauvin has been convicted, now that the prosecution actually said that the other officers involved, the other three officers, tried to help George Floyd, I'm not sure what impact that might have on their case.
Alan Dershowitz saying that Chauvin's conviction should be reversed on appeal.
He's saying that.
Hardly a conservative.
Anyway, we have other news here, too.
Nancy Pelosi is facing a backlash for her comments of thanking George Floyd for sacrificing his life for justice.
AOC's actual word says Derek Chauvin's guilty verdict is not justice, declaring that it's not enough.
I just want, I want to create the affirmation this is not just.
Well, what would be justice then?
How would she define justice in this case?
Congresswoman Talib's comments that inherent that police are inherently racist.
The Detroit police chief has responded saying that is reckless and disgusting.
The House voted down the resolution condemning Maxine Waters' remarks prior to jury sequestration.
I think there should have been sequestration much earlier.
Black Lives Matter, one of their leaders, has credited the riots for forcing this verdict.
The head of the New York chapter of BLM claiming last night that the jury would never have found Chauvin guilty without months of violent riots.
So now that that's the answer, we're going to intimidate people and intimidate juries into coming up with decisions.
I don't believe that happened in this case.
I think the evidence was incontrovertible and overwhelming.
Nine minutes and 29 seconds, and the police chief saying this is not part of our training.
That was it right there.
Andy McCarthy saying Biden and Waters, they've given Derek Chauvin's lawyers a real chance to overturn the verdict.
He's not wrong here.
I don't think Dershowitz is wrong.
There is a real chance.
Dershowitz even predicting that the verdict will be reversed.
He says by the Supreme Court, they'd have to take up the matter, so we'll have to wait and see what happens there.
You know, some things are just very frustrating on a lot of different levels.
So Joe Biden, with his background and his history, you know, when you compare Delaware's voting laws to the new law in Georgia, well, Georgia has 17 days of early voting.
The state of Delaware has none.
Georgia has in every precinct drop boxes.
Delaware has none.
Both states require picture ID.
So how does he get away with saying three times that this is Jim Crow 2.0?
By the way, Biden now has joined the effort for D.C. statehood.
He's pushing that.
Biden now is preparing to unveil another $1 trillion in spending, $225 billion paid leave and medical leave, $225 billion for child care support, $200 billion for universal pre-K schooling, hundreds of billions in new education funding for his friends in the unions, and other sums for nutritional assistance.
Do you notice one thing every one of those items have in common?
That's all in the Green New Deal.
All of it.
Just like the emergency COVID relief money went to start as a down payment funding the Green New Deal.
Just like the infrastructure bill, a lot of the monies that they're call everything infrastructure now, that's all going to the Green New Deal.
You know, the New York Post had an editorial today.
It's time for people to turn down the temperature and actually lead here.
Has anybody on the left thought about the consequences of defunding the police?
Are they not looking at the high murder rates all across the country since this started?
Because if they don't start looking, more innocent people are going to die.
And a lot of them, sadly, will be in cities that are run by liberal Democrats.
By the way, his rich Democratic friends, they're fighting.
Now, I told you that when Donald Trump's tax plan went into effect, it hurt me financially.
I paid more in taxes.
Why?
They have something called SALT, state and local tax deductions.
Donald Trump put it down to just 10%.
That's all you could deduct.
Now all these rich liberals, they're now demanding that Biden allow the deduction for states that have high state income taxes and local income taxes like New York City.
I am saying it's not fair to the rest of the country.
I would be the beneficiary of this, and I'm saying don't do it.
It's not fair to states that elect fiscally responsible legislatures and governors.
It's not fair.
It's just wrong.
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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
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All right, Leonard Skinner's simple man means only one thing, and that is all things billoilly.com, Mr. O'Reilly, sir.
These are insane times we're living in, Bill O'Reilly.
I never thought in my life things would get this crazy, but it's worse than I even predicted before the election.
You know what really deserves me as an American, not as a commentator, just as a person who loves a country, is that the American people aren't being told the truth.
And so I've spent the last 36 hours really researching and finding out the facts about the police and African Americans, because I think people don't know really what has happened because you have a media invested in putting a narrative out there,
and now the President and Vice President of the United States are backing up the narrative that this is a racist country and the 80,000 law enforcement people here are actively trying to harm marginalized groups, including African Americans.
That's the narrative.
So if you're a young African-American student, that's what you're hearing, and you're not hearing much to counter that.
So fire away.
I've got all the stats and the facts right here.
So here's where I am with policing and where we are in society, because, you know, if we're going to be truly one people, if Martin Luther King's dream speech, judge people by the content of their character, color of their skin, as it relates specifically to policing, these are the things I think need to be done.
Now, you know, I'm a student of martial arts.
I do it four or five days a week, an hour and a half a day for eight years.
I'm a student.
We've got to better train cops, number one.
Number two, police need other non-lethal alternatives besides the taser.
There are options out there.
I've been showing them on TV.
Three, we have got to make every city and every town in America safe and secure.
It's got to be a priority, and it's got to be the police working with the community before incidents happen.
And I don't care if you like Rudy Giuliani's politics or not, he took the murder rate from nearly 3,000 down to a few hundred.
We do know how to solve this problem, but it's going to take a commitment on everybody.
And all of this political noise and rhetoric has got to stop, Bill, because look at the cop.
A woman was about to be stabbed yesterday in Cleveland, Ohio.
You see the knife in her hand.
She's about to plunge it into somebody.
Now, I train, I do a lot of situational self-defense with firearms, knives, and sticks.
And I'll tell you, at close range, very specific words, at close range, I'd rather go up against a firearm than a blade, especially if somebody knows how to use it, because it's much harder to defend against, Bill.
And the cop had to shoot to save a woman's life.
A knife will kill you.
Your thoughts?
Well, number one, we're never going to work together in the foreseeable future in this country because one party wants to attain power through identity politics.
That means equity.
And that President of the United States said it, we're going to favor one group over another.
That's what we're going to do.
And we're going to put a coalition together of the willing to vote for Democrats.
So that leaves out everybody who's not a Democrat.
So that's not, we're not working together for anything.
Secondly, we're not telling the truth about the policing in America.
So this is from the Washington Post database.
The Washington Post does a good job compiling police statistics.
So in 2019, unarmed white citizens, 26 were shot.
Black, 12.
In 2020, 24 white citizens, blacks, 18.
So therefore, two years doing the math, 30 blacks were shot by police who were unarmed, 50 whites.
Now, in most of those cases, there were other weapons involved, just as you pointed out, in Columbus, Ohio with the knife.
Okay.
Now, that is not an epidemic of police shooting blacks in America.
It's not.
In fact, if you were to present this to the United Nations compared to other countries, this would be a laudable record.
Yet you don't hear any of this.
All you hear from the media, which is driving this, okay, is that systemic racism is the cause of African Americans being abused by the police.
Right?
You with me so far?
I'm listening to everything you're saying.
Now, by the way, we both acknowledge that there is racism, but systemic racism is a different term.
I'm listening.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Everybody knows that there's racism in every country.
There are bad, evil people on the planet.
And skin color, it transcends all skin colors.
But what happened yesterday with the President of the United States is unprecedented.
Joe Biden trashed his own country after the verdict came in and said, this has got to stop.
We have systemic racism.
Now, everyone in the world heard that, and every African American heard it.
That has never been done by any president before.
Never.
Now, we tracked Barack Obama's statements while in office for eight years.
He never said anything close to that.
After he left office, he said a few provocative things.
Now, the President of the United States is basically trashing the whole society by saying, hey, we know that we're racist and we have to solve this problem.
Well, I'm sorry, but that insulted me.
I'm not a racist, nor are my friends, nor are my family members.
And I don't want this guy exploiting the death of George Floyd, who should be alive today.
And the reason that the former police officer was convicted was because of a very simple concept: depraved indifference.
That's what led to the conviction.
And it's absolutely true.
He was indifferent, Chavin, to what Floyd was experiencing on the ground.
And because Floyd died, that's depraved indifference.
Now, I'm a methodical researcher.
I am a simple man, as you always point out.
I know the truth about.
By the way, you're not a simple man.
I say that there's an irony to that whole shit we do, but go ahead.
I don't nuance this.
When I was a high school teacher, I had African-American students, Cuban students, white students, and I told them all, life is hard.
If you're black, it's harder.
If you're Cuban and your parents came over here from Cuba, because I was teaching in Miami, it's hard.
But you all have an opportunity here, which you wouldn't have anywhere else on the planet.
So we got to work together to make this society better.
But when you have a president trashing his own country the way Joe Biden did yesterday, are you kidding?
And I'm not making an excuse for Biden, but he doesn't know what he's saying.
He doesn't understand the implications of what he's saying.
Let me disagree with you, and let me add to the discussion a little bit.
Because this is important that we have it, and it's important we have it with people of all backgrounds and races, in my opinion.
When, for example, you compare the new Georgia voting law that has 17 days of in-person early voting, the state of Delaware has zero, Bill.
When you look at drop boxes, they are in every county in Georgia, Bill.
There's not one drop box in the state of Delaware.
Voter ID is mandated in Georgia and in Delaware.
And Joe Biden then went out there and said and lied and said, this is Jim Crow 2.0, Jim Crow for the 21st century.
He said it three times, Bill.
Now, it's not Jim Crow.
This is also coming from a man that praised the former Klansman, partnered with the former Klansman to stop the integration of schools in America because he didn't want schools to become, his words, racial jungles.
This is the guy that co-sponsored the crime bill of 94 when he talked about young African Americans as predators.
That's the Joe Biden, you know, Joe Biden praising the guy that filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act of 65, Bill.
I'll give Biden the benefit of the doubt that he's evolved and he's woke.
I don't care what he said as a senator.
I don't care he hung around.
Would any Republican get the benefit of the doubt?
Would Bill O'Reilly get the benefit of the doubt?
Hell no.
Of course not.
But I'm a fair man, and I look at my job as analyzing the news on radio and TV on billoreilly.com.
I look at it as an obligation.
And my obligation is to tell the truth about what's happening now.
And what Joe Biden did yesterday was disgraceful.
And again, no other president has ever come close to saying anything like that.
And the damage that he is doing to this country, and I'm into the border or the Supreme Court or Washington, D.C. All of this is just insane.
But people don't know it because the narrative coming out of the corporate media, the powerful corporate media, is that Biden is noble, the country is racist, and that the Democrats are going to save African Americans from that racism.
That is the narrative that you see every single day.
You know, unless we get to the point, you know, one glorious nation under God, one people, united Americans.
Look, I'm a Christian.
I was raised Catholic like you were, but I'm non-denominational at this point in my life.
And you and I have had that discussion.
And I know you went to Catholic schools for years.
I went to Catholic schools for 12 years, okay?
Long time.
And if you really believe in natural law, what is natural law?
That rights come from God.
We're endowed by our creator, natural rights, not from government.
And we believe the word education in the Latin bill, I learned a pious, which you probably didn't learn in Shamanod.
It means educre, to bring forth from within.
Now, I know a lot of people think you got to jam things into kids' heads, but that suggests to me that talent is God-given.
And every human being is born of God, but human beings, through their experiences, have a propensity towards good and a propensity towards evil.
A lot of evil people, sadly, in this world, people.
But we're still created by the same God.
We still have talents and abilities.
Now, if Republicans want to get smart and change the electorate forever, they need to go into all of these blue states, all of these blue cities that don't have law and order and safety and security, have horrible educational systems, and fix them.
And I believe then everybody will benefit.
That's the answer.
It's not redistribution of wealth.
It's not, you know, it's believing in the talent of every individual.
The problems are fixable.
They are.
When you have a giant propaganda machine that is unprecedented, you have powerful corporations with billions of dollars spewing out the same message every day that America is evil.
It was founded on white supremacy.
That is going to infect a large portion of the population.
They are going to believe it.
And that's what is happening.
And people on the other side who do believe America is a noble nation, they've got to stand up and start to oppose this because it has taken deep root.
All right, Bill O'Reilly, all things, O'Reilly.
Simpleman, billo'reilly.com.
All right, Mr. O'Reilly, we'll have you back next week, and I'll make more fun of you, and you can make fun of me.
Yeah, well, it'll be lighter next week and remember killing the mob out in two weeks.
Oh, that's right.
By the way, why didn't I get my copy yet?
No, I'm not.
I did not get a copy.
I did not get my copy.
Copies.
Send me a copy of it.
Doesn't like you or what?
Come on.
I have no idea.
And by the way, don't expect a cupcake interview when that book comes out.
You're not getting a cupcake interview.
I'm giving you a non-cupcake interview.
When my book was coming out, Hannity, this is not going to be your typical cupcake interview.
I'm like, oh, okay, I got to worry about my interview with O'Reilly because it's not cupcake.
You're not getting a cupcake interview pass, O'Reilly.
All right, man.
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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nayfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
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Lock her up.
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Toll-free on numbers, 800-941-Sean.
We'll get to your calls final hour of the program today.
What I see going on around the country, what we're watching, what we're witnessing, what we're hearing beyond what we just discussed about Joe Biden and America being racist, et cetera, et cetera, defund the police, dismantle the police, all of this madness.
That's not going to end well.
We've given you all the statistics we could possibly dig up in terms of the murder and homicide rates.
It's up dramatically.
On average, 40% around the entire country as a result of this defund, dismantle police madness.
It's getting crazy.
In Minneapolis, we have a city council candidate publicly encouraging Black Lives Matter rioters who feel like burning shift down to target wealthy communities instead of poor ones.
In other words, encouraging rioters, burn down wealthy neighborhoods.
In Portland, I spoke about this earlier.
Rioters in the wake of the verdict, he was guilty on all three counts in the Derek Chauvin trial.
They started a fire and attacked businesses late last night.
And video footage showed two Starbucks in the downtown area damaged.
An Antifa symbol was spray painted on one of the broken windows.
Cops kill stolen land scrawled on buildings.
Starbucks, of course, they didn't want to respond to what happened there.
During the evening, a crowd starting a dumpster fire near Justice Center blocking traffic.
A person dressed in all black then punched a police sergeant in the face, punched a cop in the face.
We see this now all the time.
I'm listening to the comments of people on the left.
I've watched this, I promise you, this Columbus police officer and this video in real time and then slowed down frame by frame.
And you can see that the officer that shot this young 15-year-old girl, the girl literally had a knife in her hand.
Knives kill people.
How the cop reacted that quickly to save the other girl's life, it's heroic.
It's a dangerous job.
This is what they're dealing with every single day.
You got nine other teens shot at a 12-year-old birthday party, and not one of the 60 attendees will make a formal statement.
What is wrong with that picture?
It was on the blaze today.
Nine kids shot at a 12-year-old birthday party.
Not one.
Not one adult will talk to the police about it.
Ohio police officer, you know, in this case with the diet, he probably saved the girl's life.
I said it earlier.
I'll say it again.
I'm saying very specific words here.
Up close.
In other words, close quarters, close quarters.
Let me repeat.
Close quarters.
I would much rather deal with a firearm and defend against that than somebody that's about to plunge a blade into me.
Now, maybe you think that sounds crazy.
No, because I practice, you know, stripping weapons.
You get the gun offline.
You fight the man.
You break the guy's fingers, assuming it's on the trigger.
You strip the gun.
You step back.
You tap rack and you put four fingers over three fingers.
And then you have the gun.
It's much harder to defend against a blade.
Anyway, we have the body cam audio of the police in this incident.
Let me play that.
Then the body cam audio police shooting a pipe-wielding suspect in Illinois and the Antifa thugs punching a cop in Portland.
Listen.
Drop it.
Someone goes.
Are you okay?
Joe.
Joe, you got it.
Come on now.
Shut up.
Go, go.
Off the door.
You got that.
It's me.
It's me.
Joe, okay?
Joe.
Joe, okay?
Get him out.
Get him.
Don't fucking touch me, dude.
Don't fucking touch me.
You touch me, dude.
Don't fucking touch him.
Don't touch him.
Stay going to touch me.
has been declared all persons must immediately
I want you by that light.
Back up.
Where the fucking live?
All right, joining us now, Sergeant Dimitrik Penney is back with us, 21-year vet, Dallas Police Force, president of the Texas National Fallen Officer Foundation.
Eric Feinberg is with us, communications director for the National Fallen Officer Foundation.
Thank you both for being with us.
Now, Sergeant Penne, I frankly looked at that Columbus tape again and again and again.
And what I saw, and when you go frame by frame and you see that knife about to be plunged into this other girl and the officer shooting the person that could have very well been committing a murder there, depending where that knife went in, I look at that as the police officer saving an innocent person's, an innocent unarmed person's life from what could be, you know, a death blow.
Yeah, let me first say, Sean, my heart goes out to the family.
I mean, you can imagine.
I agree.
Kids 15 years old.
What the hell is going on here?
Yeah, yeah, but just imagine on the law enforcement side when an officer has to be in that situation to have to make that split-second decision.
We're talking, I mean, that reactionary, look, that also did a great job in preventing the other young lady, the other team, which looked like to me, from being killed.
Look, that is a devastating situation for any police officer to be in.
But look, I have to applaud the officer for being able to react to the chaos in itself for what was happening with the fight, but being able to prevent this other young lady from losing her life.
That is a terrible situation for anyone to be in.
But this officer, I think that his response time to be able to react the way that he did, man, I mean, there was really no options for this officer.
There was no way.
And I doubt this officer.
And honestly, it's sad.
It's tragic.
It's a 15-year-old girl.
Why is a 15-year-old girl about to plunge a knife into another girl?
The whole thing makes me sad.
But on the other hand, if the cop didn't act, that girl very well could have been dead.
Sergeant, do you agree with me?
You know about my training.
We've talked about it privately.
When I say close quarters, I'd rather go up against a firearm than a blade, especially if somebody knows how to use that blade.
Do you agree with me or disagree?
You are absolutely correct because that blade, and they teach us in training, look, it only takes about one, maybe 0.7 seconds to close a gap with a knife.
And the officer has no reaction time whatsoever.
So, yeah, I mean, at least you have a little bit with a gun, you got time to get distanced or get away from the threat at least.
But, man, a knife in close quarters, man, that is that is.
I mean, I literally practice, okay, a gun being held at my face, a gun literally held at my chest, a gun held at my back, a gun held to my neck.
I mean, we practice, you know, first again, get the gun offline, fight the man, strip the gun, break the finger, step back, tap rack four over three.
Sound like training you've heard before?
Absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, that's definitely similar training to law enforcement.
I mean, the goal is to get it off of you.
And in many cases, take the gun and you put you in charge of the situation.
But with a knife, it's a lot harder to do because now you have to, you have to avoid the blade itself.
And you trying to take that blade, you could potentially end up cutting a major artery, get stabbed.
I mean, it could be.
I follow all the laws of New York.
I have a carry permit, and I carry only legal blades that are allowed in New York.
Eric Feinberg, your take on this officer and all of these incidents now that are occurring around the country.
Well, Sean, thanks for having me on.
And Trey and I have been talking about this.
And, you know, we want to get more of a voice on this.
A lot of this amps up because of social media.
I shared with Trey on Facebook a hashtag called prosecute the police on two Facebook pages that actually brought attention to this from the standpoint that it's the police's fault with the hashtag prosecute the police, ACAB, all cops are bad or whatever, 1312.
And then, of course, F-12.
And to get at the root of the problem and why Trey asked me to come on today and part of our mission at the Dallas Foreign Officers and the Foreign Officers campaign is to really show, unfortunately, how the role of social media is with this anti-police, pro-left agenda that the social media companies tend to turn a blind eye to.
Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people.
Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
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Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
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So down at Verdict with Ted Cruz Now, wherever you get your podcasts.
What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith political warfare and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nayfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
All right, our final moments with Sergeant Penne and Eric Feinberg.
You know, the thing is, all right, so now the verdict comes in, and then still people are out there complaining, Dimitrik Penney.
And Sergeant, I'm a little bit bewildered and frustrated by it because the system worked.
It's not a perfect system, but it's the best system that I can think of.
I can't think of a better one, you know, one that ensures justice.
But, you know, sometimes it doesn't work out that way, especially when things go to a jury.
You just never know what's going to happen in that jury room.
But when they came back in less than 24 hours, it was clear where this was headed.
Right, right.
And you know what?
The thing is, Sean, law enforcement across the country agrees that with how this case in itself was handled.
You know, they took care of it.
Look, we got a conviction.
But the reality is there are a lot of people in society that simply, they don't care about any fine.
That was never about a finding in the case.
They're just anarchists.
All they want to do is incite violence against police.
It's about creating destruction.
It's about disrupting our system as a whole.
And that's what we're dealing with on the front lines and law enforcement is we deal with people that just want to amp up.
Well, we lost 103 officers, Sergeant, so far this year killed in the line of duty.
Most of them were shot and murdered.
Well, 103.
Now, you know, I talk about this all the time.
In Chicago, while we were scrolling the names of people shot and shot and killed during the Biden-Obama years, nobody else in the media talked about it.
All these violent incidents that occur every weekend.
Nobody talks about it.
Nobody knows the names of the 103 people, police officers, that were killed in the line of duty so far this year.
I know the names.
I've scrolled their names too.
Because why is it that we only hear about certain cases?
Well, you know, unfortunately, society has moved away from its lack of concern for public safety.
And public safety has become this larger than life figure that everyone wants to villainize.
And unfortunately, you know, these officers have to go to work every day, day in and day out to do their job and try to protect the public when there is this sentiment that's growing in American society that they have no control over.
Oftentimes, we can't even, police can't even see the narrative that's being painted against them in certain situations.
So an officer can be showing up thinking they're going to help something.
And based off of what was being proliferated in society or being manipulated on social media, this officer can be walking into a trap himself without even knowing it.
And that's how dangerous this country has become for law enforcement.
You're going to see a decline over the next several years.
You're going to see less and less officers going into the law enforcement profession, especially when you have politicians looking to, we want to say, they're trying to back away from the defund movement, but essentially that's what they're doing.
They're trying to take away resources from law enforcement officers that are doing a difficult job.
And you have politicians going out here calling for people to get into the face of police officers, calling for.
It's happening.
We show the video way too often.
We're running out of time.
Eric Feinberg, we'll give you the last 30 seconds.
Well, what Trey said, and here's something that we've been doing and searching.
We got a problem with encrypted apps in this country that are being used by the perpetrators that in real time are tuned in the police scanners when it comes to these protests and rallies, giving tactical and logistical information through apps like Telegram, telling the protest rioters where the police are to either engage with them or to avoid them on these encrypted apps, which is dangerous.
Very dangerous.
Sergeant Penn Aid, thank you for being with us.
Eric Feinberg, thank you for being with us.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, Horace Cooper and the Reverend C.L. Bryant will weigh in.
Is there a path to fixing these problems?
We'll get to that at the top of the next hour.
We'll get to your calls.
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Now, we had played a long time ago.
We make the distinction on the program about the organization Black Lives Matter.
And after the George Floyd, it was so tragic.
Now a guilty verdict.
When people would say Black Lives Matter, that's different than the group Black Lives Matter that was on tape chanting, what do we want dead cops?
When do we want them now?
And pigs in a blanket and fry them like bacon.
There was some chanting that went on outside the Minneapolis courthouse saying all cops are bastards and to get the F out and saying, tell white people to get the F out of New York that happened at a New York restaurant in the streets of New York last night.
Listen.
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All right, joining us now, Horace Cooper, legal commentator, co-chair of the Black Leadership Network, Project 21, the Reverend C.L. Heavyfoot, no tickets.
Brian is back with us.
He hosts his own show and also a senior fellow of FreedomWorks.
How many times have you gotten pulled over in your life, Reverend?
It's been a bunch, Sean, but just the same.
Whoa, whoa, I mean, are we talking about a dozen, two dozen, three dozen?
At least a dozen times, at least a dozen times.
When I had a heavy foot, and I stopped doing this about a decade ago, I just like, you know what?
I'm tired of getting pulled over.
I'm tired of, you know, I just got a little more mature, and I didn't want to, I never want to hurt anybody.
I want to be a safe driver.
And my kids used to point out all the time, Dad, you're texting and driving.
Dad, you know, and I said, okay, you're right.
And it made me stop.
But I find this the funniest thing.
And I know what you did, too.
You said, my name is Reverend C.L. Bryant.
Are you saved, officer?
How many times did you pull that one, the Jesus card?
Sean, no comment.
I take this, I plead the film.
No, I could hear you.
You know, I'm a Reverend.
I'm sorry.
I'm on my way to a funeral.
I got to preside over a few.
I got to preside over a wedding.
I got to go see a sick person in the hospital.
That has happened on occasion.
I was on my way late for a funeral.
You know how people are.
I mean, I can, yeah, and say, are you a believer?
If you're not, I'll pray with you right now.
How many times have you done that?
Well, I tell you what, we have led officers to Christ right there on the street.
There's no question about it.
I mean, this is unbelievable.
You're using Jesus, the Son of God, who sacrificed everything to save humanity and take our sins away from us.
And you're using the name of Jesus to get out of a ticket.
I can't believe it.
And it works.
That's another miracle.
Well, don't just mess around.
I got to talk about this.
Ami Horowitz has been in Minneapolis, Reverend.
We'll start with you.
He's been in Minneapolis, and he's interviewed all these people.
And he asked people, well, how many people, how many African Americans do you think every year are killed by the police?
And many people think it's in the thousands.
You know, when you look at the numbers, there were, a year ago, 12 incidents.
12.
People have this perception that it is that much larger.
There's such a disconnect between what the reality is and what people think is the reality.
Where does that come from?
Do you blame the media?
Where do you think it comes from?
I believe, Sean, that that comes from the climate that you have in D.C. now that wants to take us back to Jim Crow 1920s and even before then.
It's a strange thing that we're still fighting the same battles that we were talking about during the Civil War, states' rights and slavery.
Jim Crow is something that is an emotional thing for black people.
And if you want to tell me that Andrew Young, Rosa Parks, Megga Eberts, Dr. King, they all failed in their civil rights effort, I don't believe that Andrew Young would stand by for this.
And Sean, I got to tell you this.
I don't understand why Jim Clyburn is not calling them down on this.
Jim Clyburn lived through Jim Crow.
Sean, I'm 65 years old.
I was eight, nine years old in 64, 65 in Shreveport, Louisiana, the last city to conceive defeat in the Civil War.
I've seen crosses burned.
I've seen the Klan march.
I've drank from the colored water fountains and have used the colored bathrooms.
And let me tell you something.
This is not 1964.
It is not 1965.
And I'm not telling you something that somebody told me or something I read or something I heard.
I'm telling you what I've seen with my own eyes.
My parents were on the front line.
And what's your take, Horace Cooper?
Well, I first want to say that, Reverend Brian, I want you to keep praying for every single person you meet, even if it is during the traffic encounter.
Why are you encouraging this?
But why are you encouraging him to do this?
Tell him to slow down.
Reverend, you need to slow down.
If speeding people into the kingdom, I'm my counselor.
I'm listening to my counselor.
I'm taking his advice.
So you got to listen.
So if the Reverend speeds and it helps him bring more people to Jesus, and he's sincere, by the way, this is not a joke.
He tells everybody, are you saved?
If you're not, I'll pray with you right now.
He does it all the time.
I'm for that.
I'm for that.
I'm for that too.
But I mean, to get out of a ticket is a little, I don't know, it just sounds awful.
I never said I'd be able to do it.
I think it's amazing.
Sean Hannity saying that.
I think it's amazing.
What I am troubled about is this whole idea that in America today, I have lived my entire life post the civil rights efforts, and I have benefited from that effort.
The idea that none of that has worked, none of it has achieved its end, and that we're no better off now than we were before I was born is a lie.
And I also want to remind people that the benefit to every American being treated as a citizen is particularly of a value.
And that's why we fought so hard as a community and a society for the civil rights effort was so that we could say that everybody got the benefit.
Now, in my view, that means if you're unpopular, if you're not favored, you are, in fact, the very group that the civil rights effort was intended to protect.
Not the popular, not the elite, not those who have it all.
And I just watched a trial where I believe an unpopular man did not receive the due process that the Constitution would allow.
And the worry I have is the wheel turns.
Eventually, the wheel is going to turn if we allow the idea that if you're unpopular, it's okay.
We don't protect you because we did nothing.
So you don't believe that Derek Chauvin got a fair trial?
I do not.
I absolutely do not.
Are you suggesting that outside that the jury felt too much outside pressure?
Is that what you're suggesting?
Or where do you think it was unfair?
Maxine Waters commented.
You don't give $28 million settlements in the middle of a trial.
You certainly don't say that the Attorney General is going to be in charge of deciding what the prosecution is going to be.
You normally, if you have a dream team, it's made up of the people who are acting on the defense.
You normally don't recruit 40 or 50 of the highest paid law firms to crowd in to offer their services for free.
And you don't let Maxine Waters or the President of the United States tell people what the consequences are going to be.
There were any number of reasons for a venue change that should have occurred.
If this was 1926 and we had a black man and this had happened to, I'd like to think that the so-called civil rights community of today would look at that case and say, whoa, this isn't right.
This isn't just.
The wheel is going to eventually turn.
Looking the other way when it happens to this guy is only setting a precedent for what's going to happen when the wheel turns and stops.
And now it's your turn.
Exactly.
And you know, the reverse racism, Sean, that Horace is pointing out is so prevalent in this country right now.
And I have to say this to my Caucasian friends.
And Sean, you're one of them, no doubt about it.
I'm naming you here.
You're letting them get away with it.
You're letting this, not you, Sean, not you in particular.
I know that you push back every day, and I thank God for you.
But I'm using you as an example.
As a Caucasian male, you are allowing them to do this.
I'm wondering what has happened to that person or to those people who were bold enough to found this country.
Yes, they were all white men and all that type of thing, but there is a reverse racism now, as Horace is pointing out, that is unhealthy because they're going to come for you too.
We had an article, Freedom Works.
We put an article in front of the senators yesterday with this Jim Crow stuff, this Jim Crow 2020.
We're pushing back hard against it.
One thing I have been able to share is that where they want to keep black people in this country and where they're successfully taking them is to the past.
They never talk about where we're going.
They never talk about where we are now.
They want them to be in the past.
In the past is where we were slaves.
We were captive back then.
Now we have the opportunities to enjoy the fruits of American liberty and the prosperity that goes along with the free market and capitalism.
But the Democrats have always found a lot of favor and money to put in their pockets by race hustling and keeping us locked in our minds.
And literally, as Joe Biden says, they want to put us, he wants to put us back in chains.
And if you do not vote for him, you ain't black.
That is the narrative that black folks must break away from because we are enslaved to it and there is freedom.
If in fact we are able to experience the American dream that our ancestors paid for us to have.
And now we slap them in the face by dishonoring the civil rights that they fought so valiantly for us to have.
This is not what they wanted.
Andrew Young would never go along with what is being said on Capitol Hill right now.
I knew Andrew Young.
Andrew Young would never go along with this.
And so I say to all of us, stand up and push back.
All right, quick break more with Horace Cooper and Reverend C. O. Bryan on the other side.
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I don't see the battle of the fight for a colorblind society anymore.
I see politicians that want to divide every we get this every election year.
Rich versus poor, old versus young, black versus white.
Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, transphobic.
You know, they want dirty air and water and to kill granny and grandpa.
I mean, it's their playbook.
It's their only playbook.
Well, that is their playbook.
And that's because if you were to stand up and say, here's what I have for you as a plan.
I want your schools to continue to be awful.
I want to make sure that your job opportunities are awful.
I want to make sure that the dream that you have that your kids are going to live a better life than you doesn't get, it's not going to be fulfilled.
And you say, well, they don't say that.
But that's what their policies will lead to.
So we can't talk about what their policies will lead to.
So they bring out the boogeyman.
The problem that I have is, A, there is no boogeyman, but B, if you go back in time, what you will see is that the radical racist auxiliary, the KKK, manipulated the Democrats and the radical BLM is manipulating.
The radical racist BLM is manipulating the Democrats today.
No real difference except that Democrats then and now focus on the people want inroads with minority voters.
The Donald Trump economic plan of lower taxes, secure borders, less bureaucracy, that's part of it.
The next part of it is every city, every town needs law and order and safety and security for everybody, or you can't pursue happiness.
The next part of that equation is every child is born of God.
And I mean that, Reverend.
I'm being serious now and has talent from God.
And the way you bring talent out of our national treasure, our children, is through an education system.
We have it less than a minute.
Absolutely.
It's exactly what must happen.
A new education for us must come out of the old one that we had.
And that is America is the greatest nation on the face of the planet.
For everyone who has ever set foot here, the opportunity has been there.
It amazes me that those of us who have been here for generations don't see that while there are those at our borders right now clamoring to get in, to take advantage of what we take for granted.
All right.
Thank you both.
Horace Cooper, C.O. Bryant.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour, 800 9.1.
Sean is our number.
If you want to be a part of this program.
So before we get to some calls here, this is getting very annoying to me.
You know, Joe Biden thinks we have no memories here.
He wants to say everything's systemic racism.
Let's remind you about Joe Biden.
In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian Americans moving from India.
You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.
I'm not joking.
You don't know my state.
My state was a slave state.
My state is a border state.
My state is the eighth largest black population in the country.
We got the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice looking guy.
I mean, that's a story.
Unchain Wall Street.
They're going to put you all back in chains.
It's a long way until November.
We got more questions.
You got more questions.
But I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for Mayor Trump and you ain't black, we have this notion that somehow if you're poor, you cannot do it.
Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.
I'm a 29-year-old oddball.
The only reason I was able to raise the money is I was able to have a national constituency to run for office.
Because I was 29.
I'm like the token black or the token woman.
I was the token young person.
If we don't, they will, or a portion of them will, become the predators 15 years from now.
And Madam President, we have predators on our streets.
All right, as promised, to our busy telephones, Rona is in Mississippi.
Rona, hi, how are you?
Thank you for calling.
Glad you're with us.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
I'm actually from Missouri.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It says Mississippi on my screen.
Innocent mistake.
I won't call out who made it.
Don't worry.
It's fine.
Okay.
Thank you for taking my call.
What I wanted to say is that I'm married to a retired law officer.
And my husband, you know, he was also prior military in the Marine Corps.
My dad was a police officer.
So I have grown up around officers.
I've had respect for them.
Our boys have been raised to have respect.
They've been around guns, never had a problem.
And it just upsets me so much of how law enforcement is being treated these days.
You know, believe it or not, there are officers out there that want to do this job, that want to protect their community.
And the left is just not wanting that agenda at all.
And I'm afraid that the way that we keep going is that there's going to be a mass exodus.
People are not going to want to put up with this because the only thing that is making law enforcement, that job doable is what, you know, they call the qualified.
That's okay.
What are you talking about?
You're talking about indemnification?
Is that where you're headed?
In other words, that the cities and towns will no longer indemnify, meaning provide legal counsel for officers and they'll have to pay that themselves.
Let me tell you, that's going to be the breaking point because you can't, it's impossible.
And as somebody that has to hire a lot of lawyers in my life, and they're all great people, honestly, and they all do a great job for me, but I have a lot of them because in this day and age, I can't even be, if I ever spent the time to tell you the crap that goes on to be a conservative on the air in this country in this day and age, it would blow your mind.
It's not about me.
But if cops have to, if they can't get indemnification, it's over.
They'll walk.
Because at that point, the risk is too high, nor will they ever be willing to put themselves in harm's way.
But even without that, Rona, I'm telling you right now, I don't know people that want to be cops.
Every single, and I had a lot of law enforcement in my family.
And the two guys that made it to the FBI, the last name was Flynn, they were deity of my family.
Amazing.
Two brothers.
And I stay in touch with the one brother that's still alive, and he's a great guy.
And anyway, my mom was a prison guard.
My dad did family court probation.
I had so many people that were NYPD cops.
And then the rest of my family, when they, the next generation, kind of gravitated towards, you know, being nurses and doctors.
And now the next generation is even doing better, you know, going to good schools and all the stuff.
I couldn't afford to, you know, I had to pay my own way and I didn't have enough money to finish.
So I don't think anybody's going to want to do it.
And the sad part of this is like a great teacher, like a great fireman, like a great EMT, like a great doctor, nurse, everyone I know that wanted to be a cop had a calling to do it.
They're willing to take on that risk, put themselves in harm's way to protect and to serve the 99% of good cops.
But I don't think anyone's going to want to do it anymore.
I talk to my cop friends.
They don't want to go near trouble anymore.
They don't want any part of it.
But they don't because nowadays, it's like in the George Floyd case, is that nowadays you cannot go out and be confident that you as an officer, you're doing your job to protect and serve.
Who is protecting them?
They're afraid all their cameras, social media.
I guarantee you that not everyone wakes up this day of a police officer and has in their mind, okay, today I'm going to go out and I'm going to do this or I'm going to go out and do that.
No, they took an oath.
want to do this no you know it's a very look at the tape last week Look at the three cops in Georgia that got shot.
Look at the New Mexico cop, a routine traffic stop, ends up being dead.
This happens every day.
We've lost 103 officers so far this year.
Nobody knows their names.
And I don't hear people, I don't see the outrage in these cases.
Now, why do some cases become high profile and others don't?
I don't know.
Why do I scroll the names?
Why did I scroll the names back when Biden and Obama, when all these shootings take place in Chicago, they still continue today every weekend?
Names you never heard of because they can't politicize it.
Because if they really cared about shootings and killings, they'd fix what is going on and has been going on for decades in Chicago and other big cities run by liberal Democrats for decades.
Anyway, good call.
Appreciate it.
William next in Arkansas.
William, how are you?
Glad you called.
Oh, I'm fantastic.
Thanks for accepting my call.
What can I do for you?
Yeah, I was, my comments were in reference to the trial.
I didn't believe that it was, for me, it wasn't so much about black or white or Republican or Democratic.
It was understanding that police brutality is police brutality and racism and racism.
And over the years, what we've begun to do is to blur the lines.
For every bad cop, there's 100 good cops.
And in my life, I had the privilege of being born and raised in Washington, D.C., where it was mostly African American.
As a teenager, I was harassed by police and none of them were white.
Then I also had the opportunity to move to Arkansas and it was flipped around.
So it just depended on where I was.
But the one thing that my parents always taught me was when I got pulled over was to honor, always honor the police officer because there's always another way out.
There's always another way to, I guess you could put there's always another way to solve an issue.
You're not going to win.
George Floyd didn't win.
And I don't care how many posters they put up.
He didn't win the situation.
None of the bodies and the lives that have paved the way for the arguments and the debates that we have had and are having ongoing right now, they didn't win.
It's a non-win situation.
I believed that there was going to be some type of guilty verdict for Derek.
I didn't believe that his family needs to be ostracized after this.
There's so many sides to this.
I don't believe he had a fair trial.
There's a lot of things that we've got to think about here.
Let me see if I can sum it up for you.
I do think there is a need for more training because the two things that I believe convicted Derek Chauvin was the nine and a half minute tape, the nine minute, 29 second tape, the police chief testifying this is absolutely not what we train, how we train our officers.
And officers are taught about the vulnerability of somebody's neck.
The other part was he wasn't resisting anymore.
Please, sir, I can't breathe.
Please, he's being polite.
He wasn't resisting at that point in any way.
He had handcuffs on.
There was no need to continue any use of force whatsoever at that moment.
Now, you could have put leg restraints on him.
And if he wouldn't get in the car, then you put him in the back of a van.
And there's nothing you could do at that point.
And it's so there's, and I like non-lethal alternatives for cops short of the taser.
So I think there's a, you know, more training.
And I'll tell you one thing you mentioned.
I've taught my kids, if you ever get pulled over by a police officer, you pull over to the side of the road safely, you know, acknowledge and roll down your window.
It's a good idea to put your hands outside the window and you address the officer as, yes, sir, yes, officer.
Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.
Yes, sir, no, sir.
Yes, officer, no, officer.
Thank you, officer.
It's not the time to argue.
If they're going to write you the ticket, take the ticket.
I mean, and be polite and understand.
We have to understand their mindset.
They have no idea who you are when they pull you over.
Well, they may have an idea.
They might know if your car is stolen.
They might know that there's a warrant out for your arrest, like in the case that took place where the officer seemingly had this accidental discharge.
So, I mean, it's there just, we have to have some understanding of how they feel in that moment.
They have no idea what they're about to face when they pull somebody over.
That guy that was killed, the cop in New Mexico, had no idea.
If we do these things, I think things turn around.
Last word.
Yeah, I agree also.
And I guess my whole point is, is that I wish that we could see an officer's complete day to take him from the time that he begins his job.
Let's say if he starts at 8 a.m. in the morning and he ends at 4 p.m., I believe that full footage of his whole day and what they go through plays an important part of split-second decisions.
If he was just in a hostile situation 20 minutes before, what happens 20 minutes after?
And I'm not just talking about Derek Chauvin trial.
I'm talking about as a whole.
There's so much more that nobody wants to talk about, but we keep yelling about.
And until we actually come together and do something, and this is the only reason I call, and I'll quickly say this.
The reason that I called is because yesterday I've listened to you ever since the second year, six years during the Obama, four years during Trump.
And yesterday was the first day that I felt that you weren't being heard.
And I wanted to scream out for you.
I wanted to articulate for you from an African-American's perspective that we hear you.
We are listening to you.
And you are turning America pay for it.
What part did you think I wasn't being heard on?
Well, when they actually, when you started asking the questions to the people that were in the crowd, and I knew in my heart that what you were trying to articulate was that, are we going to be fair for the police officers that are getting attacked?
And I don't believe that you were really being heard.
And I think that...
Oh, I think I was being heard.
I did.
I gently disagree with you.
I think I was heard all too clearly.
And I think the sad part, and you're talking about when we had Ami Horowitz, he was outside the courtroom.
I think it was just prior to the verdict coming in.
And he put one of the people that, you know, thousands of people showed up and he put a person on.
And we talked about the George Floyd case.
Then I said, well, what about the people that throw bricks and rocks and bottles and Molotov cocktails at cops?
And I asked, do you condemn that violence?
And, well, I'm not going to answer that, okay?
Because we know the answer.
The answer is it's perfectly acceptable to some people.
Sure.
And that is a sad commentary on society today.
But that's also a reality.
But that's the whole defund the police, dismantle the police.
Look, I'll be honest, I'll live perfectly fine myself.
I'll make sure my family's safe.
But most people will not be safe, especially people in cities and towns that have higher incidences of crime.
Rudy Giuliani, you may hate his politics, but he showed us how.
He showed us a way that we can save lives.
You put a heavy concentration of police resources in the neighborhoods with the most crime, whatever neighborhood it is, wherever it is, where it's happening, concentrate, add it, stop, and frisk, which constitutionally I don't really love, but it did work and it was necessary because you're losing nearly 3,000 people a year at that point.
And nobody wants to listen to Rudy Giuliani on this issue because I don't like his politics.
His politics have nothing to do with it.
Anybody, I don't care if you're a liberal, a Democrat, Republican, I don't care.
If you have a better idea, I want to hear it and we need to implement it.
Anyway, I've got a role.
Appreciate the call.
Thank you so much.
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