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April 20, 2021 - Sean Hannity Show
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Reacting to the Chauvin Verdict

Sean and the world reacts to the Chauvin Verdict and debates those who feel there is no compassion for the men and women in blue who risk their lives and are like Derek Chauvin.The Sean Hannity Show is on weekdays from 3 pm to 6 pm ET on iHeartRadio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of this extravaganza, let's start with the judge in the case of police officer Chauvin, George Floyd case, the presiding judge in this case, literally saying Maxine Waters may have opened the door for a mistrial, sabotaged the entire trial.
This is what he said.
Well, I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned.
Yeah, you can supplement the record with whatever media reports.
I'm aware of the media reports.
I'm aware that Congresswoman Waters was talking specifically about this trial and about the unacceptability of anything less than a murder conviction and talk about being confrontational.
But you can submit the press articles about that.
This goes back to what I've been saying from the beginning.
I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function.
I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution to respect a co-equal branch of government.
Their failure to do so, I think, is abhorrent, but I don't think it has prejudiced us with additional material that would prejudice this jury.
They have been told not to watch the news.
I trust they are following those instructions and that there is not in any way a prejudice to the venom beyond the articles that we're talking specifically about the facts of this case.
A congresswoman's opinion really doesn't matter a whole lot.
Now, people like Professor Alan Dershowitz are saying that the judge in this case should have called for a mistrial here right up front.
Now, these high-profile cases, in my view, I don't understand why there wasn't a change in venue, which I think is fair for all sides.
It does lower tensions, especially when it's right in the backyard where something happened and people have come to predetermined conclusions.
There's no due process, no presumption of innocence.
I've not been shy about expressing my views as a student of martial arts about the vulnerability of the neck.
And in this case, I'm not talking about that at all here.
Change of venue, sequest, sequestering the jury.
I think that also should have happened early on.
But Judge Peter Cahill's observation on her comments is it could be grounds for appeal by the defense.
I think that's the least of it.
And here's where it gets even more interesting.
Well, first, let me play Maxine Waters' comments because Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi is not the speaker of the House.
Well, she is a name only.
Nancy Pelosi, with the razor-thin majority that the Democrats have that is shrinking, is beholden to the most radical elements of the party.
The real speaker is Congresswoman Alexandria Casio-Cortez and the squad and Maxine Waters, the most radical voices.
That's why they have the most radical agenda because when Nancy Pelosi ever dares tries to deviate from it, she will be out of her job as speaker.
They already don't want her there to begin with.
They barely tolerate her.
Anyway, here is what Maxine Waters had initially said.
not just manslaughter, right?
I mean- No, not manslaughter.
No, no, no.
This is this is guilty for murder.
I don't know whether it's in the first degree, but as far as I'm concerned, it's first degree.
What happens if we do not get what you just told?
What should the people do?
What should protesters on the street do?
I didn't hear you.
What happens?
What should protesters do?
Well, we've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active.
We've got to get more confrontational.
We've got to make sure that they know that we need business.
You know, by the way, where are the insurrectionists, you know, the insurrectionist calling crowd?
It became the battle cry.
It became the favorite word of the mob, the media.
Where is the mob in the media now?
I mean, if anyone in the jury heard this, what do you think they're thinking at this time?
Now, look, I'm not saying that I have any knowledge whatsoever.
I do know human nature, though, that anybody on the jury was not following the judge's instructions.
They were not being sequestered.
But whether or not they got online or watched television or followed the news as this case is going on, I think the temptation, frankly, is too great not to follow what's going on, especially you're in the middle of it as a juror.
Remember, all the Democrats that said insurrection, insurrection, insurrection, insurrection.
What's the difference here?
What is she saying?
You know, just like all summer long, we see rioting.
You know, then we have the no bail laws.
Then we have Kamala Harris, you know, tweeting out support for a bail fund to get people involved in the rioting back out on the street faster.
They're not going to stop.
They shouldn't stop.
Beware.
Take note on both levels.
They're not going to stop.
They shouldn't stop.
We're not going to stop.
We shouldn't stop.
Remember all that?
And then all of a sudden the insurrection happens.
And then everybody's go after Donald Trump.
Well, when you compare what she's saying here and listen closely to all the things she has said, well, why is where are the same insurrectionist Democrats?
Here's the best of Maxine Waters.
You can't be intimidated.
You can't be frightened.
As far as I'm concerned, the Tea Party can go straight to hell.
I am hoping that we're able to reveal all of this.
And my greatest desire is to lead him right into impeachment.
You see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you fail.
And you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore.
I am sitting here listening, watching, absorbing, thinking about Ali, even though I never met him.
And with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take Trump out tonight.
For these members of his cabinet who remain and try to defend him, they're not going to be able to restaurant.
They're not going to be able to stop at a gas station.
They're not going to be able to shop at a department store.
The people are going to turn on them.
They're going to protest.
They're going to absolutely harass them until they decide that they're going to tell the president, no, I can't hang with you.
Of course, the lying president said that I had threatened all of his constituents.
I did not threaten his constituents, his supporters.
I do that all the time, but I didn't do it that time.
I'm going to let you stand on someone who's done nothing but steal and lie and undermine.
We're going to get your tax returns.
We're going to fight out.
Well, whatever.
He shouldn't be going after anybody.
He's the president of the United States of America.
He's setting some of us up to be killed.
A lot of people who have not worn those masks because their president didn't wear them and told them that it didn't make any difference are probably dead now.
All right, that's enough now.
You get the point.
What did Donald Trump say on January 6th, the insurrection day, that I've never heard Maxine Waters say?
Many of you will now peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol where your voices can be heard.
Listen.
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
Make your voices heard.
Nancy Pelosi asked yesterday whether Maxine Waters needs to apologize.
No, she doesn't.
Maxine talked about confrontation in the manner of the civil rights movement.
Okay, that's Nancy Pelosi.
She can't anger the radicals in her party.
Maxine Waters now has fired back at the judge in this particular case, Peter Cahill, and his observations about her comments.
The judge says, my words don't matter.
That's not what the judge said at all.
Judge said that she might have opened the door for a mistrial and sabotaged the entire trial.
You know, I'll give you the Congresswoman Waters that may have given you something talking to the defense team on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned.
And people like Alan Dershow would say, sorry, you need to do it now.
You should have called the mistrial.
And he said his arguments concluded and his jury deliberations have begun here.
And then Joe Biden jumps in and he pulled the Maxine Waters in the sense that, you know, the judge was saying elected officials need to stop talking about the case.
Biden said he's praying for the right verdict in the trial of the Derek Chauvin case.
Didn't say what he believed the right verdict is.
It's overwhelming in my view.
When he was meeting with Hispanic lawmakers, I wouldn't say that unless the jury was sequestered.
Okay, what are the odds that curiosity doesn't get the better of some people on the jury?
I just think that's human nature.
I don't think they're bad people at all.
Anyway, Cahill pointed, I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law.
And House Republicans now, they have made an effort.
Foxnews.com reporting for censure, a resolution against Maxine Waters.
By the way, this is long overdue.
And I can't imagine any Democrats will go against Maxine Waters or any squad member.
But anyway, on the left side of the screen, we're going to see, you know, you see what happened over the summer.
They were silent.
One of the differences with me is when I see a riot, I call it a riot.
What happened at the Capitol on January 6th was an assault on our house, our institution.
I said this.
All throughout any Democrat's term, we've got to protect every elected official, be it a Republican or a Democrat.
That's not that hard to say.
If a riot, if people are taking over city blocks and they're hurling rocks and bottles and bricks at Molotov cocktails and sticks and knives and guns at cops and they're burning places to the ground and they're burning police precincts to the ground and they're taking over entire city blocks, yeah, it's okay if you identify it as a riot.
But that silence was deafening last summer and now the silence on Maxine Waters is deafening.
Maxine Waters, by the way, in case you're interested, Daily Wire reporting, you know, landed in Minnesota on Saturday where she made this now these notorious comments.
And she requested that a police officer escort her to and from the airport, according to the Daily Wire, before she flew from Dulles near Washington to St. Paul International Airport.
According to documents obtained by Town Hall after landing in Minnesota, Waters called on protesters to get much.
more confrontational.
We're looking for a guilty verdict and yeah, it looks like she apparently got a police escort.
We've got a lot of ground to cover here today.
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We'll analyze the law, the three options available to the jurors now out deliberating in this case.
They have three very distinct separate legal options to their avail.
We'll check in with Leo 2.0 Terrell Horace Cooper will join us.
Ami Horowitz has been on the ground in Minnesota, Minneapolis, and Brooklyn Center the entire time.
Way to hear the stuff that he got on tape.
Unbelievable.
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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nayfock from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
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What happened to Mr. Uniter?
Oh, we got to unite.
Unite Biden.
He's now the latest Democratic public official to interject himself in this trial that's going on.
There is a report that, in fact, he called George Floyd's brother yesterday.
I think this is after the judges had an admonition in this case.
That was revealed on NBC News.
Anyway, and, you know, Biden will speak after.
He's already spoken, that he's praying for the outcome he wants.
Now, in this case, it's a little bit different.
You do have nine minutes and 29 seconds of videotape.
Now, the three options that the jury will have is option number one would be second-degree murder, or what they usually call felony murder.
And that would mean that Chauvin intentionally committed an assault, which unintentionally caused Floyd's death.
40-year possible sentence.
Third-degree murder, which talks about depraved indifference to human life.
You know, the idea that the conduct was so inherently dangerous that it can be treated as, you know, the equivalent of murder.
You should have known better.
And then second-degree manslaughter, which that he would have acted with, you know, negligence, which created an unreasonable risk of death.
And all of that's going to be taken into account by the jury.
And, you know, one thing I've learned over the many years of doing this is that you can't predict.
You know, it got very troubling.
I had my, as a member of the press that does my own investigative work with my team, of course, we do our own work.
And I was told very, very early on in the case of Michael Brown and officer, what was the officer in that case's name?
He's since left the job.
Anyway, the officer in the case that the officer's story was corroborated by numerous African Americans that were eyewitnesses.
I was told very early on.
And then the whole hands-up, don't shoot narrative went out and people's expectations went through the roof.
The same thing happened in Baltimore.
My police contacts told me, no, it's not like you think.
And I was told early on, there will be no conviction.
And it ended up that way.
And just like we were right on the Duke LaCrosse case.
Why?
Because I actually got my ass in the car and I drove out to Garden City, Long Island, and I met some of the family members and some of the kids.
And I realized that a whole new narrative with evidence had emerged that nobody in the press knew about yet.
Hey there, I'm Mary Catherine Hamm.
And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass.
You're our kind of people.
Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday.
On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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So down a verdict with Ted Cruz Now, wherever you get your podcasts.
What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Mayfook from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour, and a verdict has now been reached in the Chauvin case, the George Floyd case.
And that verdict will be read one hour from right now.
Well, a little less than one hour from right now.
55 minutes from right now, it's scheduled to be read.
The jury will come into the jury room.
We will carry it all live, giving our stations along the Sean Hannity Show Network some advance notice for planning likely blowing breaks going into that end of half hour break.
So just be on standby for that.
There are three separate options that the jury has.
We were just going over this.
Possible 40-year sentence for second-degree murder.
That would be the idea that he intentionally, the officer, Chauvin, committed an assault which unintentionally caused George Floyd's death.
We have third-degree murder, sentence possible up to 25 years in jail, depraved indifference, a legal term to human life based on the idea that some conduct is so awfully dangerous that they kind of treat it like a murder case.
And second-degree manslaughter, which carries a possible sentence of up to 10 years, that he acted with negligence, which created an unreasonable risk of death.
Now, usually, and it's hard to read juries, usually, if a jury comes back this quickly, it is not good for the defense.
Usually.
And I think in a case like this, where there was so much videotape, I'm not surprised at all by the quick verdict here.
So when that verdict comes in, we will, you know, we'll obviously be bringing it to you live, and then we'll be discussing all aspects of it.
I will tell you that this, whatever the verdict is, there will be an appeal, that's for sure.
There's no doubt about that whatsoever.
There will be questions about the comments of Maxine Waters.
The judge opened that door, as we've just been talking about, as it relates to whether or not they have a right to appeal on the basis that the jury could have been prejudiced.
Why there wasn't a change in menu by the judge, I don't know.
That didn't make sense to me.
I think that should happen pretty much in every high-profile case.
And why the jury was not sequestered is another thing.
But anyway, very, very quick deliberations in this case usually does not bode well for the defense.
In this case, I would almost bank on it, but we will see.
800-941-Sean is our number if you want to be a part of the program.
And, you know, there's going to be a lot of discussions here.
Like Alan Dershowitz said that the judge should have called a mistrial based on Maxine Waters' remarks.
They should have called a mistrial.
Maxine Waters' comments now could cause a huge headache for Democrats because Nancy Pelosi said she didn't need to apologize.
Pretty amazing, isn't it?
What a change in heart.
You look at three separate incidences.
Democratic leaders, Democratic Party, Joe Biden even, then the conduct of Kamala Harris and other Democrats.
Virtual silence as entire city blocks are taken over, chaz, chop, autonomous, summer of love, spaghetti potluck dinner zones.
Entire police precincts taken over.
Difficulty even to send in medical assistance for those that got shot, like Horace Lorenzo Anderson Jr.
had a hard time getting in there at that chaz chop zone.
Took that place over for weeks and weeks.
Mayor says, oh, it's a summer of love zone.
Then the rioting all throughout the country.
Democrats, they didn't even mention it at the Democratic National Convention.
Then, of course, Kamala Harris moves forward promoting a bail fund for those involved in the rioting that took place.
A bail fund.
Why would she promote that?
Then, of course, then you have the stupidity of defunding the police resulting in mass increases in the murder rate in so many cities around the country.
And now it's abolished the police.
That's the latest effort that's going on.
And then you get the media mob.
They'll defend it.
Now, so if you look at the three cases, all the rioting over the summer, Democrats are silenced.
Then the insurrection word that they used after January 6th.
I'm saying none of this should happen in the summer.
None of it should have happened.
None of that should have happened on January 6th.
Identify violence, lawless behavior when it occurs.
It doesn't matter if it's Republican or Democrat.
You can't literally take over our institutions and threaten elected officials.
I don't care what your politics are.
And then you look now at Democrats again.
They don't dare go against Maxine Waters.
They're afraid of Maxime Waters.
They're afraid of the squad.
We saw the Reverend Al Sharpton, you know, on his jet heading on out to be there with the Floyd family, he says.
CBS, by the way, has been accused of trying to dox the jurors in this case.
And the reports on the makeup of the 14 jurors in the Chauvin trial, at least one of them lives in Brooklyn Center, where Dante Wright was fatally shot by that 25-year veteran officer Potter.
When she said, I'll tase you, I'll tase you, Taser, Taser, Taser.
Oh, shift.
I shot him.
A strong case being made there that that was an accidental discharge.
You have one Black Lives Matter activist quoted as saying, I support looting of the Dollar Tree, a store.
I support looting of advanced auto parts.
I support all that shift because black people could loot every store in the effing country for 200 years and it wouldn't come close to what America owes us.
You have college students at MIT now, according to another report, are being taught that anti-police chance before marches.
I'm like, no liberation without revolution.
Minnesota's governor declared a state of emergency as these deliberations now are underway.
We'll see what the verdict is and we'll see what the reaction is after.
But we're watching all of this in real time and all of it should be concerning to every American in terms of how people react.
At what point do we not realize that the comments of politicians can deeply affect, impact, and influence juries like this and how dangerous it is to our entire criminal justice system?
You can have an opinion on the case, but you can't say what Maxine Waters said.
Support what she said.
And she, in the process, likely gave Chauvin an argument on appeal.
And that's exactly what the judge said.
There's a report out today that I saw, which was a little alarming.
Apparently, Black Lives Matter protesters in Minnesota dropped to a knee, set off to march over a police shooting, then returned when they learned that it was a white carjacker who had fired at police, according to reports on FoxNews.com.
Dozens of people protesting outside of the governor's mansion.
They were filmed by a Fox 9 reporter as they knelt for a moment of silence over initial rumors about this fatal shooting, protesters kneeling down after hearing there was an officer involved in the shooting.
And Hicks tweeted of the wild caught on camera carjacking in the suburbs.
This information had not been confirmed, but the group said that they were headed there anyway.
The man that was killed, believed to be a man that was a white man in his 20s who had stolen a car from a woman at gunpoint, then shot at the cops as they chased him.
Traffic camera footage, finally showed by another station, 11, showed that the suspect leaping out of a still-moving stolen car, then running into the road and seemingly pointing a gun at an approaching SUV, was shot multiple times by pursuing officers.
Then the BLM marchers, riled by the police involvement in the deaths of George Floyd, Dante Wright, etc., appeared to get word that the latest shooting was not one that warranted protesting.
That story's out there today.
28-year-old felon arrested for a drive-by shooting at the Minnesota National Guard.
That took place.
A Minneapolis man there facing a federal charge of shooting at a Minnesota National Guard vehicle in North Minneapolis.
I mean, every one of these instances, it's getting scary.
Our cities are less safe.
They're less secure.
If you're part of this new radical extreme Democratic Party, you know, the numbers speak for themselves.
You know, 2020, murder was up nearly 40% around the country in 57 large and medium-sized cities.
I mean, that is a dramatic increase.
Based on preliminary insights, I think it was the Manhattan Institute that did a study of all this and put the numbers out.
Based on those estimates, at least 2,000 more Americans, many African-American, were killed in 2020 than 2019.
That's 2,000 fellow human beings.
Mainstream media politicians claim the pandemic caused the bloodbath.
That chronology doesn't support the assertion.
Why is crime so dramatically up in Minnesota and New York and Los Angeles?
These are cities that all cut police budgets dramatically.
The murder increases in 2020, 95% increase in Milwaukee, 78% increase Louisville, Kentucky, 74% in Seattle, 72% in Minneapolis, 62% in New Orleans, 58% in Atlanta.
As you look at the number of, you know, this is one of the most violent years on record.
And now this year is even higher than last year.
33% increase now happening from 2021.
Shootings, look at South Los Angeles.
You know, 742% increase in shootings in the first two weeks of the year alone.
Oakland, homicides up 500%, shootings up 126% through the early part of January of this year.
New York up 42%.
I mean, these are real people, real lives, and they're not getting the protection that they need.
And you have, you know, I've always highlighted how every two and four years, Democrats, they use the same playbook.
Republicans are racist.
Republicans are sexist.
Republicans are misogynist.
Republicans want dirty air and water.
They're Islamophobic, xenophobic, homophobic, now transphobic, and they want to throw grandma in a wheelchair over a cliff and let her die.
That's all a lie, too.
By the way, remember we heard so much about the Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick.
Well, now we have found out that, in fact, all of the reports that he was killed during the insurrection, what happened on January 6th shouldn't happen.
What happened over the summer shouldn't happen.
I've made my opinion well known on what I think from a martial arts student standpoint, the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy is one's neck.
I was loud often and probably one of the first people to come out and cover that story.
Anyway, the cop Officer Sticknick apparently died of natural causes and strokes, not what was originally said, according to the D.C. Medical Examiner.
And, you know, it's still tragic.
It's still sad.
He's still the young man, but it's not as the media reported it and those that like to politicize things.
And people are politicizing pretty much everything these days.
There's a story, breaking a couple of stories out of New York.
One came from a parent of a high-end, expensive private school for kids in the Upper East Side of New York, the Breeley School, from a parent saying that he's taken his kids out of school because they've gotten so woke in what they're teaching their kids.
You got a headline on the Daily Mail saying we're demonizing white people for being born with accompanying audio capturing the headmaster of this elite New York City school agreeing with a teacher who was banned from the classroom for speaking out about white shaming of students.
The math teacher pulled from his classes at Grace Church School after criticizing the school's anti-racism policies released audio of an explosive phone call with the head of the school who made an astonishing admission, quote, that we're demonizing white people for being born.
I just think it's a lot easier and life is a lot easier if we look at it that we're all, you know, as a Christian, I believe that we're all created by one God and that rights come from God, not from governments, and that God put and instills in every human being some talent, some ability.
But if you want the right to pursue happiness, the first thing you need is law and order.
Your city and town must be safe and secure that you can play in your grandmother's backyard like that little girl that was killed over the 4th of July weekend in Chicago.
We give you the statistics on a regular basis.
I've been scrolling the names of people shot and shot and killed in Chicago, you know, since Biden and Obama were in the White House.
Names you've never heard of before.
So far this year, there are 100 cops killed in the line of duty with gunfire.
I doubt anybody listening to this program can name them unless they happen to be your family members.
And we have Congresswoman Talib.
Policing is built on structural racism.
Abolish the police.
Now, the squad has emerged as the most powerful influence in the Democratic Party.
Nancy Pelosi's scared to death of them.
Biden's scared to death of them, if he even knows what day it is.
Schumer's scared to death AOC is going to run against him.
He doesn't want to be at odds.
So they now set the most radical agenda, Green New Deal, now from defunding the police into dismantling and abolishing the police.
These are unbelievable times we live in.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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We expect to head to the courtroom and get the verdict out of Minneapolis in the Officer Chauvin case.
That's the George Floyd case.
It was, I think it's pretty much about 24 hours ago that the jury received instructions from the judge in the case and the judge also admonishing the public comments of Maxime Waters here with us.
We have our legal team.
By the way, I want to give another heads up to stations along the Sean Hannity Show radio network that we're going to be monitoring the bottom of the hour, make decisions in the moment about whether we're taking breaks or not.
So you may want to be a little bit on extra alert.
Leo 2.0 Terrell, he's been following the case closely.
Greg Jarrett, 1.0, also following this case closely.
The jury has, gentlemen, thank you for being back with us.
The jury has three options in this case.
The most severe guilty verdict would be second-degree murder, which would be based on the idea that Chauvin intentionally committed an assault which unintentionally caused Floyd's death.
40-year possible jail sentence.
Third degree murder.
That's the depraved indifference standard to human life.
The idea that the conduct was so dangerous it would be treated as an equivalent of murder.
And then second-degree manslaughter.
By the way, third-degree murder has a possible sentence of 25 years.
Second degree manslaughter would be that he acted with culpable negligence, which created an unreasonable risk of dying.
Let's start with you, Leo 2.0, Terrell.
The fact that this jury's back in 24 hours or less tells me this did not go well for the defense.
I think you're 100% right.
Let me add another fact.
They didn't ask a single question to the judge.
They didn't ask for any clarification.
And I think Greg could tell you as well, in my 30 years of experience, usually when jurors go back there, after they select a jury foreman, they may take an informal poll.
And I think, you know, what I gather from the fact that they have a verdict is that there was a pretty good consensus among the jurors.
And it took maybe 24 hours to get any stragglers to go along.
So I agree with you 100%.
It does not look good for a defendant officer other than the fact that he has a boatload of appeals.
Your take, Greg Jarrett.
Guilty, guilty, guilty.
All three counts.
And I agree with Leo completely.
And the fact that they asked no questions suggests to me that the deliberations probably began this way.
Somebody said, does anybody here think this guy is not guilty?
And there would have been no hands raised.
And so I think they took a sufficient amount of time to just review the evidence, the witnesses.
You know, in a normal case, you've got to decide whether witnesses are truthful.
Here, the videotape is the eyewitness.
These jurors, all 12 of them, became eyewitnesses, transported back in time to that terrible day in which George Floyd lost his life.
And they watched the nine horrifying minutes as he had the life literally squeezed out of him.
I think the tape was devastating, but also the police chief and other expert witnesses saying, no, putting your knee on somebody's neck is not part of police training.
It is not a tactic that is used by police.
I looked at that tape as a student of martial arts from that vantage point, having trained now eight years, that the neck is one of the most vulnerable parts of the human anatomy.
George Floyd was no longer resisting arrest.
At that moment, any use of force, in my mind, should have stopped.
They could have put him in leg restraints, and if he wouldn't get in the back of the police car, they could have brought in a van and put him in the back of the van.
There's not a thing he could have done.
Yeah, the chief said it.
He said, absolutely, Derek Chovin violated department policy, and he literally recited the policy, which in a state's neck restraints should not be used against subjects who were passively resisting.
I mean, obviously, the last three minutes of that nine-minute videotape, George Floyd is unconscious.
He's motionless on the ground.
At the very least, the neck restraint should have been released during those three minutes.
The fact that it wasn't tells me that this was an intentional assault resulting in death, which is second-degree murder.
And it's also depraved indifference, which is third-degree murder.
And it's manslaughter, grossly reckless conduct.
So I would expect the jurors to come back guilty on all three counts.
You know, there's a lot of issues that I think will come up.
One of them is the judge's admonition, and I'll play it again to Maxime Waters and how this might open the door for an appeal for the defense.
Well, I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned.
Yeah, you can supplement the record with whatever media reports.
I'm aware of the media reports.
I'm aware that Congresswoman Waters was talking specifically about this trial and about the unacceptability of anything less than a murder conviction and talk about being confrontational.
But you can submit the press articles about that.
This goes back to what I've been saying from the beginning.
I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function.
I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution to respect a co-equal branch of government.
Their failure to do so, I think, is abhorrent, but I don't think it has prejudiced us with additional material that would prejudice this jury.
They have been told not to watch the news.
I trust they are following those instructions and that there is not in any way a prejudice to the defendant beyond the articles that we're talking specifically about the facts of this case.
A congresswoman's opinion really doesn't matter a whole lot.
Your take, Leo.
Well, I'll tell you right now.
By the way, let me add that Dershowitz, Alan Dershowitz, Professor Dershowitz, said that the judge, based on the comments of Maxine Waters, should have declared a mistrial.
Well, you know what?
Alan, you know, he's a Harvard professor, but let me tell you right now, even with Maxine Waters' comments, there's two prongs, and I think I'd like Greg to comment on it.
First, a juror has to hear it, and a juror has to admit that he somehow took those comments into his deliberation.
So there's a two-pronged issue.
The comments by themselves do not trigger any appeal rights unless the juries heard it and somehow they're affected by it.
And I also want to say Greg is absolutely right on the charges that, you know, once Floyd had no pulse, once there was no resistance, that's when it became from necessary force to excessive force.
You know, it's beyond any comprehension that I have.
And I say this as a student of martial arts.
He was handcuffed.
And, okay, I've heard people make the argument, well, he was on fentanyl.
He was on a powerful painkiller and methamphetamine.
Okay.
The toxicology showed that.
He did have some pre-existing conditions.
Question is, that day, would he have died right there from either the drug overdose or the pre-existing health condition, were it not for the knee on his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds.
Now, at the moment, it was, and let's assume for argument's sake that the resistance occurred before that he didn't want to get into the back of the squad car.
Okay, let's say that's a given fact, which there's some disagreement.
But for the sake of argument, once he stopped, once he began complying, please, sir, I can't breathe.
And he stopped resisting.
At that point, he should have been either sat back up, certainly turned the other way, and as long as he's not resisting arrest, they could have then put leg cuffs on him, whatever you call them, shackles on him, whatever they call them, and they could have then put him in a van if he wasn't unwilling to get into the back of a police car.
Then you have the issue of the other officers that may end up getting found guilty in some capacity for not stopping it.
But the crowd yelling, you're killing this guy.
Stop.
And knowing the vulnerability, if I were to take the back of my hand, and I practice these targeted strikes all the time, and hit the lower part of your jaw into your carotid artery, I promise you, if I hit my target, you drop to your knees, Leo and Greg Jarrett, and you would try to stand up and you fall down again.
If I put either of you in, I'll use MMA terms, a rear naker choke, I can promise you that, you know, in under 15 seconds, easily, if I have it locked in, you guys will pass out in 15 seconds.
Just hitting both sides of the carotid artery, not even talking about a throat choke.
Go ahead, Greg.
You take it first because I'm not arguing with Sean.
I think that the tactics should be updated.
You take it first, Greg.
Well, you're absolutely right.
And, you know, there were nine minutes and 29 seconds.
And, you know, every second was a different opportunity to stop doing what Chauvin was doing and to save his life, to render first aid, which is part of the department policy.
When a person shows any sign of unconsciousness and no pulse, and one of the officers had checked and found no pulse, at that point in time, you have to stop whatever it is you're doing.
You have to render medical assistance.
And it was utter nonsense for the defense to try to argue that drugs killed George Floyd.
Yes, he had a high level of fentanyl, but he also had a high metabolism for fentanyl because of his consistent drug use.
And as Dr. Martin Tobin testified to the jury, a healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died as a result.
And remember, you don't have to prove that Chauvin's actions are the sole cause of death, only a substantial cause of death.
And the videotape answers the question.
All right, we'll give the last word to Leo.
Leo, we'll have you back after the verdict is read, but I know you've got to run into a TV hit.
I'll give you the final word before we go to our break here.
Well, I'll simply say this.
I agree with my colleague, Greg.
I agree with everything you just said.
I think my biggest concern is the impact of the verdict today on this nation for the next 24 hours.
You know, there's going to be people who are going to go out and commit crimes and riot.
I hope there's peace and tranquility.
I don't expect so because you got people who are profiteers.
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We've been in political media for a long time.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Nayfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
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But if this news begins to break, we will break right back in in the middle of the commercial.
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Pay close attention.
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If in fact they go earlier on time, doubtful, we will break in and cover it live as it happens.
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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Napok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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If you want to be a part of the program, as soon as the judge enters the courthouse, and of course, the jury renders its verdict.
We'll bring it all to you live.
It will be live.
If you're just joining us, a verdict has been reached in the Officer Chauvin case.
That's the George Floyd case.
The jury can convict on one, two, or all three.
You can see now, by the way, crowds are beginning to form.
I believe this crowd in particular that I'm looking at, a very large crowd in Minnesota outside the courthouse, very large crowd.
The jury has three separate options.
They can find guilt on all three charges or one of the charges.
The one charge of second-degree murder that has a possible jail sentence of 40 years.
And that is the idea that Chauvin intentionally committed an assault which unintentionally caused George Floyd's death.
Third-degree murder, which is the depraved indifference clause, legal clause, based on the idea that conduct is so inherently dangerous that it will be treated as if it was a murder case.
And second-degree manslaughter, by the way, this third-degree murder charge has a possible sentence of up to 25 years.
And also second-degree manslaughter, alleging that he acted with negligence, which created an unreasonable risk that death may occur as a result.
Minneapolis, now the crowd is growing literally by the second here.
You can just see it beginning to emerge.
What happens after this verdict, I guess, is anybody's guess.
In light of what we've seen leading up to all of this, Maxine Waters comments that the judge excoriated her yesterday.
She was defiant today in response to it all.
Now the jury also has the option of picking all three.
Ami Harowitz joins us now.
He has been on the ground in Minneapolis.
He's on the ground there now.
He's been doing his own reporting.
Ami, where are you and what's going on where you are?
So I'm looking at the courthouse as we speak, and there are probably thousands of people now.
It's such a weird scene because if you go one block in any direction from the courthouse, the streets are empty.
Not a single person on the street.
You move over one block and it is filled to the brim.
So it's a really incredible scene.
And you have literally every block, you have Humvees, armored personnel vehicles of the National Guard.
I mean, they are joining on the spot.
They are ready for whatever the verdict is going to be.
What is the presence of the National Guard?
I know they've been called up earlier in the day.
How many National Guard troops do we have?
And other law enforcement agencies have also lent help to the city of Minneapolis.
It's interesting.
You don't really see much of any force.
Even the Minneapolis Police Department, you don't really see them out in the street in force.
What you do see is just the National Guard.
Can't tell you how many, but it's in the hundreds for sure, if not the high hundreds.
And they're mostly not just centered around downtown, although obviously that the biggest presence, but they're strategically placed around the city, particularly around police precincts.
Because we've seen in the past, every time I've been at one of these riots, Sean, the epicenter is always a police precinct.
They burned that down first.
So they're kind of placed strategically around the city, and they're ready, man.
They are ready.
Let me talk about, for example, the issues that have come up.
Alan Dershowitz had stated that the judge should have declared a mistrial based on the comments of Maxime Waters.
The jury was not sequestered until last night, about 24 hours ago.
The judge was very clear in saying that this might open the door for an appeal, should this be a guilty verdict on any or all three of these charges.
Yeah, Sean, anything outside of, based on what I've seen, and I got a pretty good feel for it, anything outside of second-degree murder, and this thing explodes.
Anything else?
Certainly not a manslaughter charge or a hung jury charge.
They're ready to go.
What is this bus that is now pulling up that I see on TV?
Can you see that bus that pulled up?
No, I don't see that bus.
Okay.
I don't know.
Because the shot that Fox has, I believe it looks like just a regular town bus or city bus that maybe is on normal traffic.
I'm not really sure.
Well, look, here's the facts as we don't.
It's been 24 hours since the jury went into deliberations, almost 24 hours exactly.
And they asked no questions of the judge, no clarification on the charges.
You have nine and a half minutes of videotape that I think speaks more loudly than anything that any witness might have said, maybe beyond the chief of police testifying that these are not the training practices that officers are taught in police training school.
So I thought that was pretty devastating to the defense as well, on top of what I have said, my own observations.
What have people on the ground?
Now, you've been there for a number of days, and a lot of people have been speaking out to you.
We don't really have time to play your clip right now, but I've listened to it, and it's pretty frightening the belief system of so many of the people that you've interviewed.
We'll put it up on Hannity.com if people want to listen to it.
Look, the truth is, and it's sad, but the people I've spoken to, the protesters, the people who are gathered around, have no expectation that this is going to be a fair trial.
They think the jury is fixed.
They think that this is going to be an acquittal.
And they are prepared for that.
They have zero faith in our judicial system.
So the people that you've been running into all week think there's going to be a full acquittal?
Yeah, they do.
They really do.
Or a slap on the wrist.
The odds of that happening with the jury out such a short period of time, I would argue, are very low.
Leo Terrell agreed with me, and as did Greg Jarrett.
Usually when a jury comes back without asking any questions whatsoever of the judge for clarification of what the actual law is or jury instructions, any specific questions about those, listen, you're dealing with 12 people here.
Now, it's certainly not a hung jury.
They have reached a verdict.
There's a verdict in this case.
I'd be shocked if it's not guilty, probably on all three counts, if I had to guess.
Everybody here at the courthouse are shocked how quickly this thing came down.
Look, I think there's little doubt they have reached a conclusion, and it's hard to imagine the conclusion is nothing but guilty across the board because otherwise they would have debated as far into the night.
They would try to convince a person to go their way.
So look, I'm not a legal expert, but I play one on the radio, and it's hard to imagine this thing because of the brevity of their deliberations and anything but guilty.
You know, it's pretty amazing.
I've been doing this 33 years, and when juries come back this quickly, it usually is never good for the defense in this case.
And what makes this case so unique is that really the jurors, in a way, got to be their own witnesses, and there was so much tape available from so many different angles, and you could hear so many people that were talking to the officers at the time and what they were saying, as well as hearing George Floyd, who was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, please, sir.
And at that point, not resisting arrest, and he was already in handcuffs.
At that particular point, my argument is training tells police at that moment if he's not resisting all four stops, especially when they begin cooperating.
They had apparently, they claim that they had a hard time getting him in the car, which led to that initial moment where the knee was on the neck, but the neck is the most sensitive part of the human anatomy.
All right, Ami Horowitz, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Check in with us if you get any more information.
Is there anybody there that wants to give their opinion about why they are at the courthouse and what they expect?
Anybody near you?
There's a lot of people.
Hey, hold on one second.
Let me see if some.
Look, this is live.
If I tell them who you are, you know what I'm saying?
Maybe just don't say, say, I'm live on the radio.
Would you like to talk to the host?
All right, hold on one second.
I'm live on the radio.
Do you want to talk to our host?
That needs to be amplified here.
Okay.
Hey, I'm live on the radio.
Can't go to something.
Okay.
Sorry, I'm live on the radio.
Do you want to tell the host why you're here?
What do you think is going to happen?
WordPress.
Thank you.
But that's like 0 for 4, Ami.
You could do better than that.
I have more confidence in your negotiating ability than that.
Give it another couple of tries.
All right, give me one second.
I got something right here.
Tommy Horowitz, outside of the courtroom.
let's see what happens you can do it uh...
why i'm here um...
I'm here because I spent all last summer marching, protesting, volunteering with my friends.
And it's like we fought for this moment.
So it just wouldn't feel right to not be here.
By the way, what's this person's name, Ami?
Can she hear me?
What's your name?
Krista.
Chrisco.
Yes.
Put her on the phone.
Let me talk to her.
Hey, Krista.
Is it Krista?
Is your name Krista?
Krista, yes.
Hey, Krista.
So you're outside the courtroom.
I hear there's a big, big crowd there.
Do you have a feeling which way the verdict is going to go?
Well, I mean, any reasonable person would want that guilty verdict, but the way the system is set up, it doesn't always go the obvious direction.
Okay, but the jury's back in less than 24 hours.
That usually doesn't bode well for the defense, right?
Correct.
But like I said, you just never know.
So how do you feel about a lot of the unrest that has taken place?
For example, we watched all summer there were riots in many American cities where rocks and bottles and bricks and Molotov cocktails were thrown at police officers.
3,000 cops were injured and hurt over the summer.
We've watched a lot of these confrontations.
We've watched police precincts burn to the ground.
We watched city blocks being taken over by protesters.
How do you feel about all of that?
At the end of the day, people did what they felt was right.
I'm not asking.
Do you think it's right to throw a brick, a bottle, a rock, a Molotov cocktail at a police officer?
I don't want to do.
I think it's right for people to do whatever they want to do.
I'm not going to do that.
It's okay.
It's okay to throw bricks at cops.
You're okay with that.
It's okay to throw whatever you want to throw.
I'm not going to speak for other people.
I know what I'm saying.
No, I'm asking, do you think it's right that other people throw bricks and rocks and bottles at policemen?
Like I said, sir, people can do whatever they want to do.
I know they can do everything they want to do.
Do you find that?
My answer is still the same.
You can ask a million.
But the point is, you looked at the George Floyd tape and you thought the police officer acted in the wrong way and you speak out against that moment that happened.
And I agree with you, by the way.
I think the police officer did not handle it the right way.
But I'm asking you, is it okay with you that people throw bricks and rocks and bottles and Molotov cocktails at cops?
Why don't you say that that's wrong, too?
Like I said, sir, everyone can do what they want to do.
They can do what they want.
Why won't you condemn that behavior, though?
Why?
Since when did I become the condemner of people?
Well, you condemned the officer in the George Floyd case, didn't you?
Yeah, because I know, I know.
So why don't you condemn throwing rocks at cops?
Why don't you condemn wrong behavior wherever it comes from?
Hold on, real question real quick.
So you just want someone to say it's wrong to throw that.
No, I'm saying that what happened to George Floyd should never ever happen again.
But I told you, sir.
What I am saying is what happened to George Floyd can never happen again.
But I'm also saying that throwing.
The way this is built does not mean it's guaranteed.
This is one example.
And if it goes the right way, that doesn't mean it's never going to happen again.
What I'm saying to you is if you want to condemn what happened to George Floyd, I appreciate your outspokenness.
But I find it odd that you have policemen that they have a job to do every day.
They got families to go home to, too.
And we already have 100 cops this year have lost their lives in the line of duty.
And they've been in gunfire shootouts.
Do you not condemn people that kill cops either?
You signed up to be a police officer.
You signed up.
They didn't sign up to get shot on the street when they pulled somebody over, did they?
But you don't seem to have an ounce of compassion for good law enforcement officers that are willing to go into very dangerous situations to protect people like you.
All right, here's another quote.
Would you like to abolish the police completely?
I think the whole police system needs to start over.
Everything that's being taught, the way that they're just going about it.
Would you like to abolish the police?
Or if you're going to start it over, define starting it over.
Define that for us.
I believe that it's just the way everyone's trained, the rules that go into it.
I feel like you want more training?
Okay, I can agree with you on that point.
They need to know more legal terms, I believe, though.
Just because I feel like that as a police officer, I feel like not a lot of people.
Do you agree with the idea of defunding the police?
Yes.
So you don't want, if you don't fund it, then you don't have any cops.
You're okay with that?
I think, but I like, well, defunding doesn't always necessarily mean get completely rid of their funds.
But the point, all right, so let's say you're at home one night.
God forbid this ever happens to you or anybody else.
You're at home one night.
I'm calling the police.
I'm going to keep it 100 with you.
I don't call the police.
Okay, so what are you going to do if, God forbid, somebody breaks into your home and wants to bring you and your family harm?
What are you going to do?
If someone breaks into my home.
That's right.
I know I'm not calling the police because that doesn't end well for someone like me.
You better dump that part.
All right, we're going to take a break.
We're still waiting for the chauvin verdict.
For stations along the Sean Hannity Show Network, many thanks to Ami Horowitz.
He's outside the courthouse.
We'll go back to him.
Also, Leo Terrell will weigh in once we get the verdicts, as will Greg Jarrett.
We'll get your calls, your reaction, all of this.
We'll carry it live for stations along the Sean Hannity Show Radio Network.
When this verdict begins to get, when they read it in the courtroom, we will bring it to you live, even if we stop right in the middle of this coming stop set.
Stay with us.
Breaking news now.
Here's Sean Hannity.
As we start the top of our news roundup information overload hour, the judge has now just entered the room.
Let's go to the courtroom.
Verdict has been reached.
I understand you have a verdict.
Members of the jury, I will now read the verdicts as they will appear in the permanent records of the 4th Judicial District.
State of Minnesota, County of Hennepin, District Court, 4th Judicial District, State of Minnesota Plaintiff versus Derek Michael Chauvin, defendant.
Verdict count one.
Court file number 27, CR2012646.
We the jury in the above entitled matter as to count one, unintentional second-degree murder while committing a felony, find the defendant guilty.
This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
Second degree murder possible.
Juror number 19.
Same caption, verdict count two.
We the jury in the above entitled matter as to count two, third-degree murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act, find the defendant guilty.
This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
Signed by Jury 4 person, juror number 19.
Same caption, verdict count three.
We the jury in the above entitled matter as to count three, second-degree manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk.
Find the defendant guilty.
This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
Jury 4person 019.
Members of the jury, I'm now going to ask you individually if these are your true and correct verdicts.
Please respond yes or no.
Juror number two, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number nine, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 19, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 27, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 44, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 52, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 55, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 79, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 85, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 89, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 91, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Juror number 92, are these your true and correct verdicts?
Yes.
Are these your verdicts?
So say you want, so say you all.
Yes.
Members of the jury, I find that the verdicts as read reflect the will of the jury and will be filed accordingly.
I have to thank you on behalf of the people of the state of Minnesota for not only jury service but heavy-duty jury service.
What I'm going to ask you to do now is to follow the deputy back into your usual room and I will join you in a few minutes to answer questions and to advise you further.
So all rise for the jury.
Officer Derek Chauvin found guilty on all three counts, second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.
Unanimous verdict, all 12 jurors.
Derek Chauvin, the police officer in this case, showing little to no emotion at all.
With the guilty verdicts returned, we're going to have Blakely, you may file a written argument as to Blakely factors within one week.
The court will issue findings on the Blakely factors, the factual findings, one week after that.
We'll order a PSI immediately returnable in four weeks.
And we will also have briefing on, after you get the PSI, six weeks from now.
And then eight weeks from now, we will have sentencing.
We'll get you the exact dates in a scheduling order.
Is there a motion on behalf of the state?
Your honor state would move to have the court revoke the defendant's bail and remand him into custody pending sentencing.
Bail is revoked.
Bond is discharged, and the defendant is remanded to the custody of the Hennepin County Sheriff.
Anything further?
Thank you.
There you have it.
The judge now leaving the courtroom, and Officer Derek Chauvin now is being handcuffed, remanded to prison, and bail has been revoked.
Leo 2.0 Terrell and our own Greg Jarrett, our legal analyst team with us.
I kind of predicted all of this.
I think both of you agreed as well that it would come down this way.
Leo.
Well, I'll tell you right now, I am honestly surprised that they came with a complete sweep of all the charges.
You correctly pointed it out that it was a second, third, I mean, you correctly pointed out the charges that the evidence was clear for there.
I thought there might be a hung jury on some of these charges.
Notwithstanding that, once the jury came back with this deliberation without any question to the judge, it was a bad day for the defendant.
Look, my biggest concern is this, Sean.
The legal system works, notwithstanding Maxine Water and Joe Biden.
This officer does not represent the 98% of good officers.
Let's see if the left is happy with this, because our system works.
A bad officer has been removed.
He's in prison.
To me, it's a good day for America.
Your first reaction, and if either of you want to explain what the Blakely findings will be about, please do.
Greg Jarrett.
I believe that references local case law, and I suspect it has to do with aggravating factors, which the prosecution will be seeking here.
That this killing was especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel.
They may say there was a conspicuous lack of remorse.
That versus mitigating factors, that he has no prior convictions of other crimes, that he had a record of service to the community as a police officer.
Those are the things that the judge will have to weigh.
And just because the top count carries a maximum of 40 years behind bars doesn't mean that Derek Chauvin will actually serve 40 years.
He probably wouldn't even serve half.
You have watched this trial from gavel to gavel every single day, and you've been writing columns on both your website and doing it on your podcast and foxnews.com.
And you felt the entire time that the defense did not put on a good defense at all in the prosecution, starting with the nine minutes and 29 seconds, that their case was extraordinarily strong and powerful.
Right.
And my first column on day one of the trial was entitled, The Recording of George Floyd's Death is Compelling Evidence of Guilt.
It was the first day, and it was on the 14th day.
It's futile sometimes to try to defend indefensible acts to justify unjustifiable conduct.
And that's what the defense was faced with trying to do, and they just couldn't do it because that videotape told the story of criminality.
What does this likely mean for the other officers that weren't involved in putting their knee on George Floyd's neck but didn't do anything to stop it?
Your thoughts, Leo Terrell?
If I'm the other officers awaiting trial, I'll be trying to cop a plea deal immediately.
If I'm the prosecution, I'd show them the verdict that just been rendered, and I would entertain a possible plea deal.
Look, the big culprit has been convicted.
And these other officers, if they accept a plea deal to me, that would be in the best interest of the people and these individual defendants.
Just to give a clarification, the Blakely waiver law and legal definition is a waiver of certain sentencing guidelines by a criminal defendant during plea negotiations.
It is a waiver of the right to trial on sentencing factors that may be used to increase or enhance the normal sentencing guidelines.
In a Blakely waiver, the defendant gives up the right to a jury or court trial or any sentencing factors.
Now, the issue of the judge excoriating Maxine Waters and even the judge acknowledging it could open up the possibility of a mistrial in this particular case and this verdict being thrown out.
Greg Jarrett, I would assume the defense is going to try that.
Well, yeah, but as Leo has pointed out correctly, they've got to find a juror who heard what Maxine Waters said.
And these jurors have been sequestered during deliberations.
They have not been given television sets to watch news on.
So if they were abiding by their instructions from the judge, they would have no knowledge of what Maxine Waters did.
Now, you know, the defense would have to find a juror who did know it and who could also say that it influenced his decision-making.
That's the only way it would be appealable.
Yeah, Leo?
Oh, I agree.
I mean, I think Greg said just what I talked about earlier.
Look, the mere fact that Maxine Waters is out there trying to disrupt the jury pool, trying to poison it, it doesn't go into effect unless a juror has been basically influenced or heard the statement.
And then there would be type of evidentiary hearing before the judge.
Right now, we don't know that.
We don't know if it exists, but I'm sure the defense attorney is going to exhaust all possible appeals in this case, not only the potential jury tampering there, but the idea of sequestration and the idea maybe that would have an effect on the jury.
They got to get in contact with the future.
Well, change of venues, sequestration.
I think those are all issues that they'll try.
It's not easily successful in past cases, as we all know, but occasionally you do get that very thing to happen.
Anyway, Leo, I know you got a run.
We appreciate your analysis.
Thanks for being with us.
And we'll see on TV tonight if you're just joining us.
The jury has found Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all three charges, second-degree murder with a possible jail sentence of 40 years, third-degree murder, possible sentence of 25, and second-degree manslaughter, possible sentence of up to 10 years in jail.
The judge said eight weeks till sentencing.
He did revoke bail and did remand Officer Chauvin to jail today.
He was handcuffed on the way out.
I doubt that there'll be any bail in the interim, Greg Jarrett.
Yeah, there won't be any bail.
Not with a conviction on all three charges, especially second-degree murder.
No.
There won't be any bail, I would imagine.
And, you know, he'll find out his fate in eight weeks.
And frankly, given the videotape, which is heart-wrenching and heartbreaking to see that this does qualify as an aggravating circumstances.
It was heinous, atrocious, and cruel, which is the definition of aggravating circumstances under the law.
And so I would expect that most judges would throw the book at him.
And it doesn't matter.
I've thought long and hard about this case.
And you know where I stand on the deep state.
As we unpeeled every layer of that onion as part of our ensemble group, Greg, I always made a distinction between the 99% and the 1% that abused power and that were corrupt.
I believe that about cops today.
And it's just hard to imagine that anybody would go to work on any given day that chooses a profession like law enforcement.
Most people I know in law enforcement, that is their calling in life.
They want to serve and protect people.
Right.
That, you know, the idea that Officer Chauvin, did he go to work that day, saying, oh, I'm going to kill somebody.
But with all of that said, with all of the crowd saying to him, stop, and hearing George Floyd saying the things he's saying, there were pictures today we'd never seen before that the prosecutor brought up in closing arguments of the black and blue on his face from his head being smashed into the pavement and his shoulder,
the bruising that took place there shows you the real magnitude of the force behind that knee on this guy's neck.
Well, the prosecution said something very important during closing arguments, that it was the ego of Derek Chauvin that day that combined with his actions to kill George Floyd.
And you can see it on the videotape.
And, you know, he is defiant in the face of the bystanders who were pleading with him to lift his knee off of the neck of George Floyd, that Floyd couldn't breathe.
And Chauvin was ignoring the pleas before he finally lost consciousness and died of George Floyd Florence.
I was surprised knowing the vulnerability of the neck, the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy.
Greg, you've been great.
You'll be joining us on TV tonight as well.
We'll be following Breaking News in Minneapolis and around the country, nine Eastern on Fox at your DVR.
So just talking about this with my team, and we do have a great track record of getting stories right.
And one of the things I said, we don't rush to judgment on this program.
We believe in due process.
We believe in the presumption of innocence.
But as I said in the beginning of this case, the videotape doesn't lie either.
And it was such a long period of time.
And I went into my explanation of what police training entails and the vulnerability of one's neck.
It's the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy.
And the fact that George Floyd was handcuffed and the fact that he stopped, if he had been resisting, that was a little bit in question.
But putting that aside, once he stops resisting, you know, you have an obligation.
All force at that moment stops.
And if they needed to call in a van and, you know, put his legs in whatever you call those, leg handcuffs, the leg cuffs, I guess you call them, it would matter.
There's a reason we get these stories right all the time because I saw this coming because the videotape was so impactful and it was so against police training and it went on for so long and the guy was pleading and complying and the crowd was telling the officer, you're going to kill this guy.
You know, why were we right in Ferguson, everybody else was wrong?
Because our sources on the ground were telling us.
We do our own investigative reporting.
They said there are numerous African-American eyewitnesses that will back up the police officer's story.
And the same thing in Ferguson.
I said, no, you're not going to get a guilty verdict there.
And the reason was our sources on the ground told us what had happened in the Freddie Gray case.
It's why we were right about Duke LaCrosse.
I went and met the kids and the families, many of them.
That's why we were right with UVA.
That's why we were right in Cambridge.
That's why we're going back in time, Richard Jewell.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour, 800-941.
Sean, you want to be a part of the program?
If you're just joining us, the verdict has been rendered in the case of Officer Derek Chauvin, guilty on all three charges, second-degree murder, with a possible sentence of up to 40 years.
Third degree murder, possible sentence up to 25 years.
Second degree manslaughter, possible sentence up to 10 years.
Our own Ami Harwitz, our friend, our documentarian friend, has been on the ground in Minneapolis earlier, just before the verdict.
He put me on the phone with one of the people standing outside the courtroom where thousands of people had gathered.
We didn't have a split screen, Ami, in terms of being able to see the crowd reaction.
What was the reaction as it was read?
Total jubilation, as you can imagine.
As they read each of the counts, a total reaction of joy and gratitude was expressed from the crowd loudly.
I think what's, you know, it's so interesting.
Remember, I told you, Sean, that you're not going to find even a protester who would condemn the violence.
And that was an example right there who you talked to.
I heard you try to get her to condemn the violence, and she wouldn't do it.
And not a single person here would.
I think we've reverted.
So you've interviewed how many people since you've been down on the ground now for a number of days in Minnesota?
How many people have you talked to, and what percentage of them won't condemn the violence, won't condemn violence against innocent police officers even?
I probably spoke to 60, 65 people since I've been down here, and I didn't, and I always asked that same question.
I literally did not find a single person who would condemn the violence.
White, black, Hispanic.
If they were a protester and they were at one of the rallies, they would not condemn the violence.
And that's why I said there's two sides of the same coin.
The rioters and the protesters are inextricably connected.
The city dodged a bullet because they, you know, they're in front of the courthouse.
Well, Leo Terrell was just on Fox, and he pointed out, you know, he raised the question.
He said, now, will the crowd that had been gathering and been involved, some of them in the violence, will they respect the verdict of the jury?
The jury came back guilty on all three charges.
No, they'll respect it if it was guilty.
Although the next thing that they said, by the way, the next thing they were chanting and that the people who were with the bullhorns were exhorting the crowd was to now push them to go and reverse all of the cases at the Hennepin courthouse.
They've now moved to the next level saying, let's start reversing all of the guilty verdicts we've had over the years.
They're not going to be satisfied.
They're happy that there was a guilty verdict, but they were pushing the crowd to get agitated about what's going on going forward.
Right now, you have everybody's happy.
You can hear the horns being honked.
All the streets are jammed-packed with cars.
People are yelling.
They're screaming.
They're handing out food.
And right now, it's exact opposite of what would have happened if they didn't come back with the verdicts they expected or wanted.
Is anybody near you that wants to go on the radio and probably follow the same review?
You don't learn the lesson, do you, Sean?
Well, I thought it was revealing.
I mean, I kept asking.
I said, okay, I'll admit that I think rioting is wrong.
I didn't like how the officer, I thought he did, handled this the wrong way.
I can't believe with the guy handcuffed and not resisting and saying, yes, sir, and I can't breathe, sir, and the crowd screaming at the cop that the cop didn't stop and knowing that this is not police training at all, why he kept doing it.
And even when George Floyd passed out, he kept doing it for minutes after.
I mean, it's the most vulnerable part of the human anatomy.
Cops are taught that in the police academy.
But is anyone there that would come on?
Sure.
Hold on.
Hold on one second.
Talking on Natural Radio?
You love?
Yeah.
Hey, what's your name?
Oh, my name is Cootie Garley.
How do you say your first name?
K-U-D-E-E, last name, Garley, G-A-R-L-E-Y.
Hi, Cootie Garley.
How are you doing?
Thanks for coming on the air with us.
All right, how did you feel about the verdict?
We're happy, man.
We weren't worried because if it had gone the other way, man, there would have been a lot of damage and danger and violence of committees.
So we have it went the other way, you know.
We pray for peace.
We just want to move forward.
We can't get too happy because this is only the beginning, you know.
So we've got to go back to the drawing board, stay focused, and just look forward to the future and bringing true equality to America.
Let me ask you this.
Now, we saw the case.
There's now a guilty verdict, guilty on all three charges in the case of Officer Derek Chauvin.
We saw what happened in the George Floyd case.
Do you feel that do you feel justice was served here?
We've come a long way since the civil rights movement, since Jim Cole, since slavery.
Justice has been serving.
It's 51-50 in America right now.
There's a power struggle in the military, but we have an upper hand.
The children of the law prevail.
So we just happy with the court ruling in our favor.
And like I said, we've got to go back to the drawing board and stay focused.
Let's talk about some of the violence that has taken place in cities around America.
Over the summer, for example, 3,000 cops were injured.
We had dozens of people dying.
We had police precincts burned to the ground.
We recently had an ICE building that was burned out west.
And we had another law enforcement building, a union building that was set ablaze.
You see cops pelted with rocks and bricks and bottles and Molotov cocktails.
And even worse, 3,000 cops injured over the summer, as I said.
My question to you is, what do you think of that behavior of people?
No, violence is never an answer.
One of my people I look up, really look up to Dr. Martin Luther King.
Mentioned how his perspective was on civil rights and during the civil rights movement.
At a time when people wanted to be violent, he wanted to solve problems, bring about change through peaceful means.
And I'm all for peace.
I've got police officers as friends.
When you see those that don't follow this idea that we're becoming a colorblind society, which should be our goal, which should be everybody's goal.
But when you see people that do throw bricks, rocks, bottles, Molotov cocktails, engage with police or arson or taking over police precincts or city blocks, what do you think about the people involved in those actions?
I don't look down on those people.
That's frustration, you know.
You don't look down on them for throwing a brick at a cop, an innocent cop, not a cop that did anything wrong?
If you compare throwing a brick at a cop at a cop shooting somebody, I had a situation on the street.
I'm talking about people.
I'm talking about cops that are doing nothing but trying to maintain order in their city that they live in, that have done nothing wrong, and then bricks and bottles and rocks are thrown at them.
You don't condemn that?
That's not right.
That's not right.
Bon Tom.
All right, that's what I thought.
Okay, no, that's a fair answer.
Well, listen, we appreciate you taking time to be with us.
You can give the phone back to Ami, and thank you so much for joining us today.
We appreciate it.
Thank you, sir.
God bless you, brother.
You too, my friend.
Thank you.
800-941 Sean is our number.
Ami, any more per we'll talk to one more person.
Anyone else there?
Yeah, hold on a second.
Let me grab somebody else.
Go on.
Okay, Ami Harowitz on the ground.
He's in Minneapolis.
He's with the crowd.
He's been outside the courthouse all day waiting for the verdict to come in.
If you're just joining us, Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all three counts: second-degree murder, third-degree murder, second-degree manslaughter.
And Amy's been there all week and been talking to a lot of the people that have been out protesting.
It'll be interesting to see.
Leo Terrell raised the point on Fox News just moments ago if people will respect the verdict.
Sean, I got something right here for me.
Okay, great.
Hey, what's your name?
What's your name?
My name is Keyvon.
I'm sorry, say it again.
What's your first name?
Keyvon Johnson.
How are you doing, sir?
All right, let me ask you a question.
What did you think of the verdict today?
Well, I think I just actually got out here, and I'm not even farmer, but I just like how everybody's coming together.
Right.
Well, let me ask you this.
You know, there's been a lot of violence in the lead up to all of this.
We saw all the rioting in the summer.
We see cops pelted with rocks and bricks and bottles and Molotov cocktails.
3,000 were injured over the summer.
We see, you know, police precincts and other buildings burned to the ground and arson and looting.
What do you think about those people that throw those bricks and throw those rocks at cops that are just trying to maintain order?
Not the cop in this case, obviously.
I don't know.
They probably got everything else.
What's going on?
It's just adding on to as much.
This is what's going on, too.
I guess those people are just really fed up.
You know, people that are just had, you know, too much, you know, and I guess...
Do you, like, for example, I'm sure you condemn Officer Derek Chauvin in this case, right?
I can't take it place because I still go do my daily things.
Man, what about the people?
Would you ever pick up a brick and throw a brick at an innocent cop?
I couldn't hear you.
I said, would you, as a person, would you ever pick up a brick or a bottle and throw it at a cop that's just doing his job trying to maintain order?
No.
When that does happen, what do you think of the people that do that?
I think, I don't know.
I can't.
I don't have that type of mindset to even think like that, Stephen.
But you've seen the videos of this.
We saw it all summer long.
So you've seen videos of it.
Yeah, I have no idea what those people are thinking right now.
Yeah, it's not good, right?
It's not good for anybody.
I think they're just fed up by what's going on.
Okay.
People have, you know, when you press the button of people for too long, it exploits like a boiling point.
You explode.
And you don't know what they're doing at the moment.
Yeah.
Well, listen, I appreciate it's uh Keyvon, right?
Is that your name?
Yeah, all right.
Thank you for taking time to be with us.
And you can give the phone back to Ami, all right?
Thank you.
All right, thanks.
All right, Ami Harowitz, thank you so much for giving us that unlocation report out of Minneapolis.
We'll have full coverage tonight on Hannity 9 Eastern.
Ami, I think, is going to be reporting from the scene for us tonight.
800-941-Sean is our number.
You want to be a part of the program.
Let's say hi to Pat is in Boston.
What's up, Pat?
How are you?
Sean, I think we all agree that there will be riots and destruction and murder by anti-whites despite this verdict, because that's what they were going to do anyway.
Anti-whites have made it clear that the violence won't stop until law and order is destroyed and they're able to do whatever they want to you and your family as a consequence.
Well, you saw the story today that came out, this recording content of the character.
You know, this school, for example, where a leaked audio captures a headmaster at this elite New York City school.
It was on the dailymail.com capturing the headmaster, agreeing with the teacher who was banned from the classroom for speaking out about, quote, white shaming.
And there was another viral letter from a parent to a very elite private school in the Upper East Side of New York and literally saying, you know, we're demonizing white people for being born.
How about we just judge people by their character?
And at what point are we going to have that message get out?
And, you know, you see, for example, you know, every two, four years, why do I always point out the Democratic playbook, divide this country?
Claim Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic.
They want dirty air, dirty water, want grandma thrown over a cliff in a wheelchair.
You know, if you believe in natural law, as I do, endowed by our creator, rights come from God.
God has created every man, woman, and child, with the difference for human beings being that human beings have a propensity for either good or evil.
Let's say hello to David in Idaho.
David.
Hello.
How are you?
I'm good.
How are you?
Oh, good.
I was just about the Derek Children conviction.
I thought it was just a little steep, that's all.
I mean, I'm not saying that he's fully innocent, but I thought it was a little quick to convict him of second and third degree murder.
Okay, I appreciate the call.
Chris in Pennsylvania.
Hi.
Hey, Sean.
I was listening to your conversation with a young lady before the verdict, and she was saying about how she wouldn't call the police to help her if she were in trouble when you asked about someone invading her home.
And I find it very disturbing that anyone would have that kind of psychosis to not want to call the police to help them.
I mean, it's like the country is completely lost their minds and all sense of common sense.
I mean, these people.
I mean, you got the Democratic Party now.
It's gone from defund the police, now dismantle the police.
You know, and then we see the corresponding, we see the dramatic increases in murders in every big city that they've done this, including Minneapolis, New York, L.A., you know, you name it.
Nationwide, it's up almost 40%.
Murder is up 40%.
And speaking of, you know, they want to defund the police, if anything, they should fund them even more and get these officers more counseling, more avenues to vent their frustrations, their concerns, so that they're not carrying this stress around with them on the job, so we can help them to avoid these kind of situations in the forward.
You know, I train mixed martial arts an hour and a half a day, and I'm a student, and I do this every day, and I still, I know what it would take for them to get up to speed where I am at this particular point in my training.
They don't get enough training and they don't have the options.
That's the reason I've been pointing out the burner gun and these different non-lethal options that we need to provide the police so they don't just have one choice, one option, and that's a lethal option.
But, you know, that was not the case here.
And but anyway, we'll be watching everything.
Well, full coverage tonight on Hannity 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel.
You know, this whole defund effort and dismantle the police, that's not going to end well for this country.
800-941-Sean is our number.
All right, we'll have full details on Hannity tonight.
I promise.
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