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	Usually when I do sit in for Sean Hannity, I do so from the Pittsburgh Studios.
	Linda has been saying, come on to New York.
	I don't know if it took me so long.
	I love it here, and I love being here with you, Linda.
	I really do.
	God, you're gorgeous.
	I think, okay, and Ethan, uh and of course, Lauren, you know I was going to get there.
	Come on, you guys.
	These the this is the cutest group of people, honestly, in one room.
	One room, three really good looking people, and they're super, super great to work with.
	So it's awesome to be here in New York City with all of them.
	Thanks to Sean Hannity for allowing me to sit in today.
	We have a jam-packed show today.
	We have to, because there's so much going on.
	Uh at the half hour, Jim Jordan is joining us, and I'm so happy about that.
	He did an excellent job today, and as did others, as did others.
	You know, it's already being referred to as the Hillary Defense.
	And no doubt defense lawyers all over will be invoking it for people of lesser stature when they find themselves in trouble.
	And they want the same consideration that Hillary has received.
	So yes, it's being called the Hillary Defense.
	Today, FBI director James Comey defended his decision not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton.
	And he was grilled today.
	And it was his first public appearance since announcing on Tuesday his recommendation.
	And uh and it was exactly as you would have expected it to be.
	The Democrats suddenly love James Comey and he they were just all over him.
	And the Republicans were very firm and they had excellent questions.
	You know, one of the things, you know, we talk about Hillary being a liar.
	Donald Trump talks all the time about Hillary being a liar.
	And today, there I don't know how much proof you need.
	It came out perfectly clear today how much of a liar Hillary Clinton really is.
	Take a listen to Trey Gowdy as he fact checks Comey.
	Good morning, Director Comey.
	Uh Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received any classified information over her private email.
	Was that true?
	Our investigation found that there was classified information sent.
	So it was not true.
	Right.
	That's what I said.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm looking for a little shorter answer, so you and I are not here quite as long.
	Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her emails, either sent or received.
	Was that true?
	That's not true.
	There were a small number of portion markings on, I think three of the documents.
	Secretary Clinton said I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email.
	There is no classified material.
	Was that true?
	There was classified material emailed.
	Secretary Clinton said she used just one device.
	Was that true?
	She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as Secretary of State.
	Secretary Clinton said all work-related emails were returned to the State Department.
	Was that true?
	No, we found work-related emails thousands that were not returned.
	Secretary Clinton said neither she nor anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account.
	Was that true?
	That's a harder one to answer.
	We found traces of work-related emails in on devices or in SlackSpace, whether they were deleted or whether when a server was changed out, something happened to them.
	There's no doubt that there were work-related emails that were removed electronically from the email system.
	Mr. Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive.
	Did her lawyers read the email content individually?
	No.
	Oh my God.
	Really?
	Not true, not true, not true, not true.
	Can I say can we just say lies, lies, lies, and more lies.
	That's what it was.
	That's what it is.
	You know, look, I I know a lot of you people out there feel defeated.
	I feel so defeated.
	When Comey came out on Tuesday, I was kind of expecting like a punch in the gut.
	And you know How you kind of prepare your stomach for that?
	I was not prepared at all for the kind of punch in the gut that I got on Tuesday, and I know that you feel the same way.
	But you've got to remember this.
	We are not defeated.
	We still have November around the corner, and we can do this.
	We have a battle that needs to be fought and needs to be won.
	The only way that we can win this battle, the only way we can make sure that someone like this, this lawless, lying criminal, does not get into the White House is to be sure that we get out there and vote.
	Not just vote, but do everything that you can lead up to election day, whether it's convincing people that they need to go out and vote, and I'm going to tell you something.
	I still get emails, I still get posts on my Facebook that tell me that they are not voting in November because they can't bring themselves to vote for someone like Donald Trump.
	So can you bring yourself to live with Hillary Clinton in the White House?
	I had a woman tell me once that she didn't know how she would explain to her children and her grandchildren why she voted for Donald Trump.
	My question to her now is how do you explain to her about allowing Hillary Clinton into the White House by not voting for Donald Trump because that is essentially exactly what she will be doing.
	You have got to get out there and take care of this.
	And you've got to give this new consideration.
	You really do.
	But this is nothing new with the Clintons.
	This shouldn't surprise anyone.
	It's just that it's never been clearer in my mind, and I've been covering them for 20 some years.
	You know, we just recently celebrated 240 years of independence, freedom from tyrannical rule.
	And we're allowing ourselves to move towards that again after 240 years of life without it.
	You know, and I've talked about this on the program before, but since we are in the week of, you know, the Fourth of July week, I want to repeat something that I think is important.
	When those men were deliberating over signing the Declaration of Independence, they did so with trepidation.
	They were afraid.
	They all agreed that this was something that needed to be done and something that needed to be signed.
	But they were concerned.
	They knew that it might put a price on their head.
	They knew that.
	So they didn't know if this was actually the time to do it.
	And then Witherspoon got up and he made that great speech about there is a tide in the affairs of men, do we perceive it not?
	You know, to hesitate is to convey commit ourselves to slavery once again.
	They historians tell us that after he made that speech, everyone agreed, let's do it, let's do it now, let's get it done.
	Okay, yeah, we may be putting a price on our head, but the future of this country depends on what we do today, right now.
	And historians tell us that some of those men, after they signed the Declaration of Independence, fell on their knees and prayed and others wept.
	And I would suggest to you that they wept because they knew that they were once slaves to tyranny, to oppressive government, and they were now free.
	And my question to you right now is if they could see us now, if they could see where we were headed, and if they could see you out there who says that you're not going to vote in November because you just can't explain that to your children.
	If they could see where we are right now, would they not cry again?
	Would they not be weeping?
	Because we were once free and now are becoming slaves again to big government.
	And that concerns me.
	It really, really does.
	You know, people make fun of Donald Trump saying, let's make America great again.
	But you know what?
	Especially during this time of year, as we celebrate our independence, 240 years of it.
	You know what?
	Let's make America great again by remembering who made us great in the first place.
	Men and women with a vision, a vision for freedom and for liberty, a vision for a safe haven.
	Those men and women knew that while they were making America great, they would never reap the benefits of what they were doing.
	They knew it was for future generations, for people they would never ever meet.
	But they did it.
	They did it with courage and they did it with commitment.
	And so now we all must make America great again in the same spirit of our founding fathers.
	And we do that with leadership that's not afraid to take unpopular stands.
	The founding fathers weren't taking popular stands.
	Donald Trump certainly doesn't take popular stands.
	But they did and they persevered and they are responsible for making this country great.
	So those of you who are still on the fence or thinking You might stay home on election day.
	I beg you could to consider this.
	I know that Donald Trump doesn't see the world through the same political eyes that you and I do.
	He doesn't view it as a conservative or a liberal issue when he looks at issues.
	He's not an ideologue.
	He's not a political person.
	He just doesn't see the world that way.
	I think I think when he does, I think, and many of us get that.
	When we look at him, we don't see a liberal or conservative either.
	We see something that we haven't seen in a long seven and a half years.
	A man that simply loves this country, who believes in this country.
	He believes in the greatness of this country.
	And he makes no apologies for that.
	If he wins, there's not going to be an apology tour once he's elected.
	What we need to do with the same determination that we have seen from our forefathers with that same commitment to country.
	We need to get behind Mr. Trump.
	Because I believe that he truly believes that he can make America great again.
	And there should be no doubt in your mind that Hillary cannot do the same.
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	Remember what she did, right?
	She sets up this unique server arrangement.
	She alone controls it.
	On that server, on that email system are her personal emails, her work-related emails, Clinton Foundation information, and now we know classified information.
	This gets discovered.
	Then what happens?
	Her lawyers, her legal team decides which ones we get and which ones they get to keep.
	And then we find out the ones that they kept and didn't give to us, didn't give to the American people, didn't give to Congress.
	The ones they kept, they destroyed them.
	And you don't have to take my word, I'll take what you said on Tuesday.
	They deleted all emails that they did not return to the State Department, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
	Now that sounds like a fancy way of saying they hid the evidence.
	Right?
	And you just told Mr. Gowdy thousands of emails fell into those categories.
	Now that seems to me to provide some context to what took place here.
	Did Secretary Clinton know her legal team deleted those emails that they kept from us?
	I don't believe so.
	Did Secretary Clinton approve those emails being deleted?
	I don't think there was any specific instruction or conversation between the Secretary and her lawyers about that.
	Did you ask that question?
	Yes.
	Did Secretary Clinton know that her lawyers clean devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery?
	I don't believe that she did.
	Did you ask that question?
	Yes.
	Do you see how someone could view the context of what she did?
	Set up a private system.
	She alone controlled it.
	She kept everything on it.
	We now know from Miss Abdeen's deposition that they they did it for that very reason so no one could see what was there based on the deposition Miss Aberdeen gave.
	And then when they got caught, they deleted what they had and they scrubbed their devices.
	Is that part of the context in evaluating this decision?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	And understand what inferences can be drawn from that collection of facts, of course.
	And that was Representative Jim Jordan as he was questioning FBI director Comey today, and he's joining us this afternoon.
	Thank you for taking time out to be with us today.
	I appreciate that.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I mean it's quite quite the arrangement.
	You know, you get to you get to decide on the front end, you're gonna do something that he said is unauthorized, setting up this this this email, unique email and server situation.
	Uh you're gonna put everything on there so that that it's it's not uh the public can't get to it, it's based on what Miss Abedin testified to in her deposition.
	And then um then you get caught, and then it's discovered, and then your lawyers get to make the sort.
	So remember what they did.
	They stored it, they sorted it, and then they wiped everything clean.
	Yes.
	Right?
	They sorted it on the front end, uh here uh the sixty thousand emails in this universe that she had on the computer dealing with all kinds of issues, and we now know classified issues, they got to decide which ones we got, which one they kept, and then the ones they kept, they destroyed.
	And just to make sure it was gone, they wiped the sec the the the electronic devices, they cleaned the devices, and I I love that language in such a way as to preclude forensic recovery.
	I guess a long lawyerly way of saying uh they had the evidence.
	Yes, exactly.
	I I was thinking that too when I heard that.
	You can understand for those of us that are looking at this from the outside, the frustration, the level of frustration that we feel, the um anxiety over this, because we're listening to this today, you know, hearing him say things like that to you, and then talking about her not having that she wasn't sophisticated enough to understand perhaps what the C letter stood for.
	What were you feeling there?
	I mean, you have to feel that same frustration that's of course no great point, and it it's why uh Pat Codell says as his surveys eighty percent of the uh of the American people feel like Washington's rigged against them.
	Right.
	And it doesn't exist to serve them, and they saw that on display Tuesday with with the Director Comey's um uh uh press statement and what he said in his decision not to take this to a grand jury, and they saw that again yesterday.
	They've seen it with John Copson at the IRS, they've seen it with Lois Learner at the RS, and that's what frustrated him.
	So this they said there's now two standards in this great country, the greatest country ever, there's one standard for we the people and an entirely different standard for the politically connected.
	That is what drives Americans crazy, and appropriately so.
	And now it looks like also this is probably the key takeaway from the hearing, that what she told us in questioning last October in front of the select committee on Benghazi wa it has is shown to be false based on Director Comey's investigation.
	Now he didn't look at those statements she made under oath, under oath to our committee, specific statements, it looks like four or five things that she said which were absolutely wrong, absolutely false, uh based on what uh uh Director Comey's uh uh investigation uncovered.
	Well, where do we go from here?
	Where do you go from here?
	Anywhere at all?
	I think right there.
	Okay, that's what I was hoping you were saying.
	Okay.
	He did not look at that.
	Uh, you know, she said that uh every one of her emails was examined individually by her legal team.
	Mr. Comey said on Tuesday, not every one of her emails was examined by her legal team.
	She said she sent nothing marked or or uh sent or received nothing marked classified.
	Mr. Comey said to and r uh and uh uh confirmed today that there were some emails that were had markings that bore classified markings.
	She said she had one server, Mr. Comey said Tuesday, that there were multiple servers.
	She said that she she returned all work-related email, uh Mr. Comey's investigation uh discovered that she did not return all work-related emails.
	So there are four false statements she made under oath, not just at some press event, under oath to a congressional committee in a in a uh investigation approved by the House of Representatives to look at the deaths of four Americans in the Benghazi situation.
	So I think that's where this moves uh moves next.
	Okay, and so uh for the rest of us, when we look at Comey, and and often really we've always had a a good tremendous amount of respect for him in the past.
	We all walked away from this just scratching our heads.
	We can't make sense of it.
	We really can't.
	I mean, they're already calling this, you know, they're referring to this as the Hillary defense, and and defense lawyers now in the future will be using this, you know, for for those of us who don't who don't ha share her stature, you know, uh and and using that as a consideration.
	But why?
	I mean, can you can you give us anything, anything to chew on out here because we are dumbfounded by this.
	We really are.
	Yeah, one of the things that raised, and of course he he said this was not the case, but I think I think an average American looks at this and we we we we wonder.
	He talked about the context of the person's actions for his decision that to say he wasn't gonna take this to a grand jury.
	Now never mind the fact that there are lots of prosecutors who said they look at this fact pattern, they look at this evidence, and they said, Yeah, I would take that to a grand jury.
	I think there's probable cause to take that to a grand jury.
	He said he wouldn't.
	He said one of the factors that helped him in making that determination was the context of the person's action.
	Right.
	But he used the word context, and that's typically not something you hear on the front end from a prosecutor, you hear it on the the tail end of a case from a defense lawyer when they're talking about the sentencing phase after someone's already been found guilty.
	And I think some Americans are wondering does context mean the context of the the the the idea that you know this was the former first lady, the former Secretary of State, former senator, major party's nominee for president, is context include the fact that her husband, pretty important American, uh actually just met with the guy that Mr. Comey works for, the Attorney General Lynch, uh just a few days ago on a on a tarmac in Arizona.
	I mean, that that gives some context to it too.
	And you have to wonder, and and I think he would I think even Director Comey would admit people have to wonder about all that and how that all took place and how it all happened.
	So um again we'll see as we move forward.
	I do think though this idea that she made false statements under oath um it looks to me like four at least um from from back in the hearing in October, I think that's something we've got to look at.
	So when you say we have to look at it what what will that entail?
	Can you tell us what does that mean?
	I mean can there be it may it may mean the Justice Department has to take a look at it.
	It may mean that that that's and frankly I don't know why they didn't look at that uh Chairman Chaffet asked those questions today.
	Right.
	Did you look at the fact she she gave false statements it look what appears to be false statements under oath.
	I don't I don't think you have to use the word appear.
	I think she just did give false statements under oath.
	Did you look at that and he said he did it.
	I don't know why you wouldn't examine I don't think there's anything that would preclude you from examining the person you're investigating relative to the email situation and classified information and statements she made to a congressional committee on that very topic about her email and and server arrangement because that's exactly what I was asking her about when she made the statement that we now know are false.
	Do you buy that she was just not sophisticated enough for all this I thought I thought Mr. Meadows testimony or or excuse me questioning was was very good.
	Not sophisticated this this family has been in the American public life and in the political um uh world for a long time probably than just about any other family in in in currently involved in in uh American politics and and in our government so uh that's a little still tough to uh to to figure that that's uh that's actually the case.
	I don't think it is I don't think it is either you know one thing I have to say to you is that how much we appreciate that we can count on you to get to the bottom of things and to really um be looking out for the American people.
	And we get that sense from you Representative Jordan.
	We truly do out here.
	And we we appreciate you for doing for being that person.
	And I just you know I just well if we go forward and we have to from this I I think the the American people just I mean they're seeing that you know that this is a double standard and you were alluding to this earlier when we were talking about considering the context of the person uh actions and and and we see that and I and I think that uh that discourages many many Americans and I hope they remember that when they either go to vote this November or decide to stay home because they don't like Donald Trump.
	Yeah, well, look, I mean, you're right.
	Ultimately, we the people decide how things get handled on Election Day.
	But again, it is troublesome to see this fact pattern and the fact that, you know, the director even said, this is not to assume that this wouldn't mean repercussions and consequences for people who do the same sort of thing in the future, which sort of seems like, well, that seems strange.
	Yes.
	You go through this, all that she did, it's almost like conscious of guilt.
	There's this concept in the law that there's conscious of guilt when you take actions that demonstrate that, like deleting all the emails that you did internally.
	over to the government and then scrubbing your devices so that no complete forensic recovery could take place.
	That sure sounds like you're hiding something and it I think it's logical for a um a juror or anyone to to kind of the the inference drawn from that is look people don't do that if they didn't do anything wrong if they're not trying to hide something and if that doesn't go towards this idea that Mr. Comey talked a lot about today that there has to be intent they had to be thinking of doing this the whole fact that they set this arrangement up,
	they had a conversation where Miss Abdeen testified at her deposition that it was designed so that none of her personal information would ever get public is that was that trying to so she could avoid any type of request that came in in a foyer or request that maybe came from Congress.
	I mean sure looks that way.
	No and And that's why we all say when he you know and he didn't have to address us.
	He didn't have to go into detail, you know, in terms of what they found, but he did, which is unusual quite frankly, in a situation like this.
	Then then he he gives us that punch to the gut and and we're all we're scratching our heads out here.
	Why?
	I mean w c I just we can't find a reasonable explanation here as to why he would not recommend criminal charges be filed against Hillary Clinton.
	None of us.
	We can't.
	Can you?
	Well, I I mean look, l like I said, lots of prosecutors have been on uh been on shows just like this, uh uh radio shows and and and TV shows this week saying they would have they would have taken it to a grand jury.
	Uh and and like many have said, you don't get intent doesn't get spelled out.
	You never typically get an email or a letter or or some statement where I'm gonna go do something bad today.
	It doesn't work that way.
	You have to show through the action that they they took, it shows they intended to do this.
	And again, when you have people covering up things, deleting emails that they decided on I I always I was her legal team, Cheryl Mills, who uh uh Heather Samerson, David, that legal team, Cheryl Mills actually was her also her chief of staff.
	They decided.
	Yes.
	Okay, these are the ones we're gonna give to the government, give back to the to congressional committees and the State Department, and these are the ones that we're gonna keep.
	And Mr. Comey's already said some of what they kept was work related.
	So they didn't turn it over, and then they deleted those and then they raced their devices as well.
	That sure it's I think a logical person would say, Wait a minute, that doesn't that's not the kind of activity that people who have nothing to hide engage in.
	That's typically what people who were trying to uh not have evidence come forward.
	That's the kind of activity they engage in.
	You really think you would think exactly, exactly.
	Well, again, I have to say thank you for um thank you for all that you do.
	I really appreciate you and I know that the audience does as well.
	Keep up the good work.
	Thanks for joining us this afternoon on short notice.
	We appreciate it.
	Good job today.
	Thanks.
	That was Representative Jim Jordan from Ohio, uh, member of the Benghazi Select Committee and the Freedom Caucus, and uh he was questioning FBI Director Comey today and wanted to know why it was okay for Clinton to destroy evidence and walk away from the destruction of that evidence.
	I mean, clearly, I mean this is so frustrating, isn't it?
	Just watching these the situation unfold and and and learning more and more about what she did and then hearing today that she lied.
	It was one lie after another after another.
	And it's just for the rest of us as we watch on the outside, we can only imagine the frustration that those on the inside are feeling, the Jim Jordans and the others that were part of this um subcommittee this afternoon.
	And and they did a great job.
	I really do.
	I think that they were very you know, when I think about Trey Gotti, too, he was so to the point.
	And uh I really appreciate him.
	Welcome back to the Sean Hannity show.
	My name is Rose Tennant.
	I'm sitting in for him today and happy to do so.
	Linda, we're when I was here a couple weeks ago, you said I was one of his I don't want to say oldest in that regard, okay.
	But we have I did not say that.
	I know you didn't say it, but I was thinking that about me.
	We he and I have known each other.
	I think I'm one of the first people that he got to know in radio.
	And I didn't realize it until you brought that up a couple weeks ago.
	Yeah, I mean, he considers you a dear friend and has always said that you're a great great patriot, great friend, and kind of one of those rare loyal brands.
	Oh, thanks.
	I I feel the same about him and you and all of you too.
	Thanks, Ethan and Lauren for helping me out today.
	I appreciate it.
	So anyway, uh I'm a host of my own show, Rose Unplugged, and we bring that show, uh deliver that show to you from Pittsburgh.
	You can connect with me on social media.
	It's at Rose underscore unplugged on Twitter.
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	Now, I've been doing a show from Pittsburgh for almost tw well, a little over twenty years.
	And someone that I had on the program with me that long ago is joining me again today.
	Um I considered him a good friend.
	We spent a lot of time together uh during the time of the TWA eight hundred crash.
	He is the author of TWA eight hundred, the crash, the cover up and the conspiracy.
	Welcome to the program, Jack Cashell.
	Good afternoon, Jack.
	How are you?
	I'm hey Rose, I'm great, and it's um you know, you were in preschool when we first uh sh came on that show twenty.
	That's right.
	I'm glad you remembered.
	Yes, I could barely do the show, right?
	Uh get your uh up to the mic, you know, stand on a little box.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Listen, you know, um the uh UK Daily Mail and the New York Post both did prominent articles on TWA eight eight hundred this week, and we're moving towards the twentieth anniversary of the crash.
	That's on July 17th.
	So as I said, it for twenty years we've talked about this.
	The that flight off the coast of Long Island has been mired in controversy.
	D is there anything we know now, Jack, that we didn't know then.
	Yeah, and thanks to the uh work of researchers like uh Tom Stalkup and John Clark, uh, we now have access to this mother load of CIA documents that shows in exquisite detail how they corrupted the investigation starting from day one.
	Uh you know, we know about the wall.
	The FBI and the CIA were not supposed to be cooperating on issues of national security, but for sixteen months they worked hand in glove to uh sabotage the investigation.
	Yeah, they really did.
	And you know, and there you one of the things that always struck many of us um was the fact that there were so many witnesses to what happened.
	They were giving eyewitness accounts, and somehow we didn't they we never heard really much more about it after the first couple of days.
	Have you talked to those people again?
	Yeah, the uh there were two hundred and fifty-eight people, according to the FBI, who saw an object ascending and uh approaching TW Flight 800 and blowing up.
	From the CIA documents though now we know that um uh two weeks after the crash, the CIA met with the FBI missile team.
	The FBI told the CIA they had interviewed one hundred and forty-four excellent there were eye witnesses and the evidence was overwhelming that uh a service to air missile had taken the plane out of the sky.
	The CIA discouraged the FBI from going forward, and they succeeded because they didn't go forward.
	You know, it's uh a lot of us when we hear about this, and there are people who still remember, in fact, I want to talk to Linda a little bit later, because um she has experienced this first hand, you know, the devastation that that crash brought people in her own family.
	You know, what what can we what are we finding out now?
	What is there some way to hold the government's feet to the fire where TWA is concerned?
	Well, I mean I think at this point, Rose, we need someone at the high level to come forward and to tell the truth.
	Um and what we know though is that they violated the wall.
	Even if we had no other evidence, the wall that kept FBI and CIA from collaborating to prevent September eleventh did not stop them from collaborating on TW eight hundred.
	We know this up, down and sideways.
	We also know that the woman who wrote the wall memo, Jamie Gorellith was overseeing the TW eight hundred investigation.
	Wow.
	And and they were not allowed to share information according to the wall memo.
	Am I right?
	According to George Tennant, according to John Ashcroft, they both said this at the 911 Commission.
	It just so happened that Jamie Grellick was also sitting on that 911 commission, and it took John Ashcroft to point that out.
	Um, and that was in 2004.
	The story is the greatest untold story of our time.
	It's a scandal that will dwarf Watergate if the truth be known.
	You know, uh Linda here likes to refer to this as uh Hillary the Clintons uh Benghazi dry run.
	There are parallels, aren't there?
	To Benghazi.
	Did we lose him?
	I think we did.
	Must be the NSA.
	Let me give him a call.
	Oh, that is a little strange, isn't it?
	Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about this here, and there does seem to be many, many parallels to Benghazi and and and as Linda said, she's she considers it uh the Clinton's uh Benghazi dry run, and and there can't be a case made for that, most certainly.
	And the thing I appreciate about Jack is that he has not let up on this.
	I mean, he has for almost twenty years.
	I mean, July 17th is going to be twenty years.
	And he hasn't stopped, and he's been just so diligent and he's followed through.
	Um Jack, you're back with us again?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, what I was asking you when we lost you um is that do you agree?
	Linda and I were talking before the program today.
	She feels that this is really you know like a Clinton Benghazi dry run.
	I mean, aren't there parallels here that can be found or made?
	Yeah, there sure are.
	In fact, uh I was on CNN three years ago when they uh were talking about this excellent documentary produced by Tom Stalk up and Christina Borgeson.
	I was on one of their morning shows and and they asked me why a cover up and I said you know just spontaneously.
	I said it was Bill Clinton's Benghazi moment.
	You know, he had an election just about locked up, then he has a national security disaster take place on his watch, and he just tries to kick the can down the road past November.
	Uh and what happens the next day is I checked the transcript from CNN and they cut out my answer.
	Uh yes Rose, you know the media well enough to know, but they're worse now than they've ever been before.
	They do not want to know.
	They don't.
	No, they don't.
	Confuse them about advancing uh the democratic agenda in an election year.
	And this year the parallels are are even stronger.
	Right.
	You know, in terms of uh the ability of the um the media and the authorities to uh suppress information and to make a you know the appearances of uh virtue more important than the reality.
	Jack, could you please for our audience that ha that hasn't been around or been listening to talk radio for twenty years, could you just in a nutshell tell them what happened, explain a little bit about what the wall, when we refer to the wall, what that really means, and then what you hope to see in the days to come, especially as we close in on that twentieth anniversary.
	Yeah, you know, that would be uh in my book uh uh TW eight hundred, I talk about this at some length.
	And and for instance, when John Ashcroft testifies before the nine eleven commission in two thousand four, he's the attorney general, they asked him, uh, what was the the single greatest impediment to our ability to stop terrorism?
	And he said, you know, uh clearly the greatest impediment was the wall.
	The wall was a memorandum issued in nineteen ninety five, and that said that the intelligence gatherers could not communicate with the prosecutors and the investigators.
	So the criminal investigators and FBI were not allowed to speak with the intelligence gatherers and the CIA.
	But we now know that from the day one, the CIA was involved in the investigation of TW eight hundred, and what they were doing, this is how bad it got.
	And when the eyewitness testimony did not match the scenario that they wanted, that is of a spontaneous fuel tank explosion, they started manufacturing new eyewitness testimony.
	They made up interviews for people at the who had never been to spoken to, at least on the second occasion, and inserted them into their files.
	At least three critical eyewitnesses, and I could prove this easily.
	Uh I've talked to all the people involved.
	They manufactured eyewitness summaries, placed them in their file and said, see, uh after all, all these eyewitnesses comport to exactly what we say happened.
	It was a fuel tank explosion.
	It was not a missile strike.
	Those uh what they saw, what they thought they saw, those squiggly, you know, smoke trails with red tips arcing over, disappearing, blowing up the plane, they were just confused.
	When we went back, we found out, oh, that they were drunk, or that they hadn't said what they thought they saw, or they w they meant left to right, not right to left.
	It's that blatant.
	And for any person in the media listening, be happy to correspond with you, happy to share my information with you, happy to advance this another step.
	We need the key people uh spoken to, we need uh justice address.
	Jack, you've been addressing this for twenty years just about why?
	Why is this so important to you?
	You you won't let this go.
	Yeah, it's the great untold story of our time.
	If we can tell the truth about an event in which 230 people were killed before thousands of eyewitnesses along the south coast of Long Island, seven hundred and fifty of whom spoke formally with the FBI.
	If we cannot get the truth out about something like that, it turns us all into cynics.
	You know, I'm a member of the honorary member of the TWA Museum.
	There's no one in TWA who disagrees with me.
	Uh the people in Boeing know I'm telling the truth.
	The people and uh the FAA know I'm telling the truth.
	There's a level of cynicism now in the aviation community that's unparalleled in American history.
	They don't believe their government anymore.
	And the events of the last few days have given them nothing uh to confirm uh but but to confirm their suspicions.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	It's so sad.
	So many of us feel so defeated and uh just so disappointed.
	Well, I have to tell you, Jack, I really appreciate you and and I appreciate that you have not let this go.
	And I, you know, knowing you for twenty years, um you you have not wavered.
	You are the same Jack that you were 20 years ago, if not more determined to get the truth out, and I appreciate everything that you have done.
	The book is TWA 800, The Crash, The Cover Up and the Conspiracy.
	We've been talking to Jack Casho.
	I would advise you to get it because he's right, it is the greatest untold story in our American history.
	It truly, truly is.
	And you're the only one telling the story.
	I mean, now there are others that have joined you, and uh I've been reading a lot more about it than I have in the last 20 years, Jack, and that's thanks to you, really, and your diligence.
	Right.
	And the real scandal here though, Rose, uh, you know, we expect governments to uh go awry, they do, but the media have betrayed their profession.
	Amen.
	The major media have betrayed their craft.
	They have indeed.
	Uh they do not want to know.
	Hey, Jack, I was saying the other day uh when the uh Republicans released their Benghazi report, the no one talked about it.
	No one in the media talked about it.
	And I remember oh, was it Jim Jordan, I think, or someone, I can't remember now, Sessions perhaps, who kept saying, please just read this, just read it.
	Because no what the the media wasn't reading it, we weren't reading it, and there was so much information in there.
	When I started to read it, I I was I mean I was choked up.
	I couldn't believe what happened to our citizens.
	I couldn't believe the lies and the uh it just it's overwhelming.
	But the media, and I would I say to this day, if the media were honest about what was happening, if the media would at least report what was happening, Donald Trump would be way further ahead in the polls.
	It would it wouldn't be as close a race as it is, because if the truth were out there about the Clintons.
	She wouldn't be the nominee if they were reporting the truth.
	I would say this though, in the last couple weeks, Rose.
	Uh, you know, I've been doing some uh shows before my book came out, which came out just two days ago.
	Umgratulations I've been hearing from a whistleblower a day, and I would encourage anyone in your audience who knows something firsthand to contact me at just go to my website, Cashel.com, C-A-S-H-I-L-L dot com, and uh I'll keep your confidences uh, you know, to the degree you want them caps.
	I had a a fellow just two days ago come forward, uh rather last week, uh air traffic controller.
	He was there that night watching the screen.
	Oh, no kidding.
	We know we all knew what happened.
	He said an unknown object uh uh intersected T W A Flight 800 and disappeared from the screen.
	And that's what set the uh wheels turning in Washington.
	Now why it was that night is uh, you know, why all the terror alerts throughout Washington.
	We know that Hilary wasn't there at the White House from her own logs.
	I know from my own sources that she, Bill, and Sandy Berger were holed up in the family quarters.
	They didn't come down to the situation.
	Again, again, I mean that's why you know, again, as Linda said, it's a dry run for Ben Cosi.
	I have to go I'm up against the clock.
	But Jack Cashow, author of TWA 800, The Crash, the Cover Up and the Conspiracy, thank you for not letting go.
	Thank you.
	Thanks, Jack, so much.
	Take care.
	Okay, when I do the show, guys, I think I would rather do it from that room where you are.
	How about if I just come and somebody else does the show and I get to hang with you?
	I'm like, gee, I miss being over there.
	It was kind of fun.
	I run over every break, and I love you guys, I really do.
	Thanks to Sean Hannity for allowing me to sit in for him today.
	My name is Rose Tennant.
	I am the host of the show, Rose Unplugged.
	You can connect with me on social media on Twitter at Rose underscore unplugged, also on Facebook, Rose Unplugged, and the website is guess what?
	Pats it, RoseUnplugged.com.
	So anyway, today we asked um someone to come on the program because this is really important, this topic.
	And it and it does relate greatly to the campaign that we see being run by Hillary Clinton and contrasting that campaign with Donald Trump.
	This is an important industry uh in our country, and it's an important source of of uh money in this country.
	And so I want to introduce our next guest, and that is Kathleen White.
	She is a senior fellow in residence and director of the Armstrong Center for Energy and the Environment at the Texas Public Policy Institute.
	And she's the author of the new book Fueling Freedom, Exposing the Mad War on Energy.
	And uh, you know, uh co-written by uh Stephen Moore.
	Welcome to the show, Kathleen White.
	How are you?
	My pleasure to be on your show.
	Hey, listen, um, Stephen White is a regular guest on my program, Rose Unplugged, Steve Moore, and I I love him.
	Love him.
	Nice guy.
	Well, his was his idea that we write a book together on the basis of a paper I wrote a couple years ago, and we're so pleased it's completed and out there, and really hope it will raise awareness of um an issue and issues that I think are far more important than the attention they get in the mainstream media.
	I agree with you.
	You know, you bring up in the book, North Dakota and Wyoming, and they are two states that are currently producing oil that could serve the East Coast and eventually eliminate the need to import fuel from the Middle East.
	And interestingly enough, about a c a month ago, I remember reading a story about those two states.
	And what fascinated me about the story was the amount of money that is generated just in those two states alone, bringing money into the state in uh in terms of taxes and uh royalties and and so forth.
	And I don't think people understand that.
	Just what kind of economic impact the industry has, and particularly in the two states that you actually focus on in your book.
	Can you explain explain some of that?
	And I might humbly add Texas to the mix too because we we were the the sort of the origin and the the the leader of the what I call the shale revolution.
	Right.
	I think misunderstood.
	It is a colossal colossal historical breakthrough in access to fossil fuels.
	It has g given us it's it's uh yes, we know prices have plunged and uh many rigs have lost the lost the um left the field.
	Um but the achievement is still alive and well and ready to respond to to market signals.
	We came after um decades and decades of dependence that was getting in in some years up to 70 percent um uh uh dependent on ex imports of oil.
	Um we got in 2013 we became the largest producer in the world ahead of uh of Saudi Arabia and Russia.
	And a couple things about it that I don't think people understand.
	This was this is a victory for free enterprise.
	This was not a victory of the major global oil companies, and I have nothing against them.
	But this was a victory of thousands of small and medium-sized um energy companies uh that um operating on private or state land, the feds um are locked up and shackled uh by regulation in the only country in the world that allows um private property rights in oil and gas interests.
	In a in a few short word years uh innovative refinements of technology that had been around for a long time just changed the global landscape on energy.
	And in fact, the the plunge in prices in is in half of that um situation is a reflection of the victory, the amount of production that went on.
	And while many rigs have l left the field, um there are uh very productive what's happened very quickly because of the fall in price is incredible efficiencies that reduce the cost of production and more refinements of drilling techniques, so it increased production, cut the cost.
	So we are not we're wounded, and I say we as a country, um as far as um our energy markets at the moment, but we we are prepared, the technology, um the amount of will wells drilled but not yet fully um completed.
	That's when you get the oil and gas.
	We um we have opportunities of pro prodigious value ahead of us that really affects if you look and Steve is the great economist, but in the book goes into this, it's amazing the way the dynamic that abundant um affordable, versatile energy plays in an economy.
	We're so used to having it around it doesn't seem like a big deal.
	But it is really uh when it it's it's easily available and at a good price.
	Um it is a major driver of the economy and all kinds of jobs.
	And particularly in those states, you know, in particular when we think about Wyoming and the others, you know, the the let's let's talk about coal mining is a very big part of the tax money that supports the entire nation, and frankly, not just the state of Wyoming.
	And uh, you know, so they they enjoy superior education that their children are receiving.
	Um in addition to that, we see the the sales and the use tax the that's generated by this this the industry, uh royalties and rents.
	I mean, there there is there's a whole economic machine going on here that people don't really realize and how important it is to to offer some of these things to our to the state and offer um additional income and economic impact into the entire nation, quite frankly.
	And I think people forget that.
	You know, they think Wyoming's out there doing their thing, we've got West Virginia doing theirs, but in fact, they are contributing to the the economy of the entire nation.
	You're absolutely right, and I also add very much to um national security.
	I mean, we w at this point in time we don't need to import we still import substantial amount, but we don't need to uh import a single bear of alt oil to meet to meet our needs.
	And that's that really changes global global politics that have been evolving over the last forty years.
	It's unclear how how it will all evolve, but um we are in a far better position that we could take advantage of it too.
	And when people talk about um the, you know, we have a very poorly uh supported Department of Defense now at record um levels um of you know deficiencies in this or that program just because of of of the financial thing.
	The um when you have the uh in a flu country with f flourishing um energy production and manufacturing that's that's intertwined with that energy production, you you know, you have royalties that you just mentioned of a of a volume where you can start to fund sufficiently.
	And that's why I think it's so important that uh that that the book, the title of your book, Fueling Freedom, by the way, I want to remind the listeners, Stephen Moore and Kathleen White, fueling freedom, because when we allow this industry to to grow and become everything that it can be, we are in fact making our our can we are really committed to freedom for this country and for our country uh independence.
	We want independence where uh energy is concerned.
	And I just want to thank you so much for doing this book and for being on the program with us today.
	I appreciate that.
	My pleasure.
	Thank you very much for having me.
	Kathleen White and the book is fueling freedom.
	I've been promising you that I'll take some of your calls, and I think now would be a really good time to do that.
	Uh the uh let's start with some of the people that have been waiting the longest.
	We'll go to uh Steve, who's in Connecticut.
	Good good afternoon, Steve.
	Thanks for being so patient.
	Hey, good afternoon to you.
	Thanks for having me.
	Uh I wanna my point was about uh the intent with Hillary Clinton.
	It seems like James Coney focused on the intent to commit espionage and not the intent to commit a crime.
	There is an email that I believe Judicial Watch uncovered.
	Uh it was freedom of information, it's heavily redacted, even the subject line now that clearly Hillary Clinton directed Jacob uh Sullivan to remove classification markings and send it on classified because their secure uh fax machine was down and she needed her her talking point.
	Right.
	You know, I wanted to bring something up similar to that to Jim Jordan today, and I didn't get a chance.
	Thanks, thanks, Steve, for your phone call.
	Because I it just again it goes to what we believe that we've heard in the past, stories that we've heard um Judicial Watch, by the way, you've got to give them, you know, uh a round of applause because you know they are the ones that have been really diligent in in bringing this information forward and going after the information.
	But um, yeah, there have been cases.
	I mean, that's why when we w when um I loved it when Trey Gowdy was just going down the list.
	Did she do this?
	Did she say she did this?
	Well, yeah, I mean, there's a whole list of lies, clear, blatant lies coming from Hillary Clinton.
	And I'm glad that he has suggested to us on the show today that, you know, that's something that needs to be looked into and most certainly should be looked into.
	You know, and we've been talking all day.
	You know, I don't we even had a chance to talk about this, but Donald Trump met with Ted Cruz and Rhine's Priebus today.
	And that's what a source told CNN.
	And the meeting was, I guess it was right after he met with the others.
	I mean, there was a full house there he met with uh at least two hundred in Washington DC today.
	And there they talked a lot about his platform.
	He talked about how they have a lot in common.
	He talked about uh unity with the party.
	And I thought, you know, this morning when I was doing my show, I talked about Ted Cruz.
	What do we know about Cruz?
	We know he's a good man, he's a constitutionalist, and above all, I believe that he's a man who loves the rule of law.
	And I feel that it's time that Senator Cruz gets behind Mr. Trump enthusiastically and convincingly.
	He's got to do it.
	You know, I I think about that night that all of the candidates were asked to make a pledge to oath, make an oath to support whomever the nominee would be.
	And many of those men follow through on that pledge.
	But there are many who did not.
	And I really feel it's time for Senator Cruz to make good on that oath and support the nominee.
	Thank you.
	He's got to show that he's the man that many people believe him to be, a man that is true to his word.
	And the time is right now.
	We can't wait any longer for this.
	His supporters need to be released, and they will not be until they hear from him.
	Senator Cruz must release his supporters.
	This can't go on any longer.
	When we see what the Clintons are capable of getting away with, and then we talked about TWA 800.
	That goes back 20 years.
	Nothing has changed.
	The things I talked about 20 years ago on my radio program where the Clintons were concerned, I am still talking about today.
	We are fully aware now, if not ever before, what they are capable of getting away with.
	And it frightens us.
	It disgusts us.
	And it frustrates us.
	So the difference at this point does it make.
	Right?
	So he needs to do this for our country.
	And I I believe he loves his country.
	I really do.
	Ted Cruz, I know that you love this country.
	But you've got to do this.
	You've got to release your supporters.
	You've got to get behind the nominee.
	You pledged to do it.
	You promised that you would do it.
	And I believe that you are a man of your word.
	So show us that you are that man of your word.
	I am, I just, for the rest of those in DC, I'm also tired of you.
	I'm tired of waiting for you to endorse him.
	Anytime I run into a congressman when I have opportunity, I ask them, why haven't you enthusiastically gotten behind Donald Trump?
	Well, we don't like one guy said this to me.
	Well, I don't I don't really like what he says.
	We were uncomfortable.
	Really?
	Well, how comfortable were you with many of the things that Mitt Romney said with McCain?
	I I've got a list.
	I kept it.
	The thing that I was most uncomfortable with, where Romney was concerned, was when he called Obama a nice guy.
	He's supposed to be debating this man and he calls him a nice guy.
	What the hell kind of debate is that?
	There are things that every candidate says that you can be uncomfortable about.
	Get over it and get behind him.
	We are so tired of waiting for you.
	And I am begging Senator Cruz to do the right thing to stand up to that oath that you made on that stage.
	To be that man that loves the rule of law that we believe you to be.
	We need you to do.
	We have to, we've got to have you do this.
	Now we heard that you met with Donald Trump today, and I hope that that is precisely what comes out of that meeting that you had with him today.
	I am outraged that so many have waited so long to do this.
	It shows a level of immaturity and sour grapes that it does not sit well with the rest of us.
	It really doesn't.
	It is time to man up, grow some and do the right thing.
	All of you out there that haven't done it.
	We're tired of it.
	Don't you know that this is you've brought us to this place because you haven't grown any, because you won't man up.
	We are tired of the same old, same old.
	Someone please, please be the adult here in the room and do the right thing.
	There are too many out there of you who have not yet done the right thing.
	He is our nominee.
	Get behind him.
	Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
	My name is Rose Tennant.
	I host my own program, Rose Unplugged out of Pittsburgh.
	And you can connect with me on social media at Rose underscore unplugged on Twitter.
	Facebook is Rose Unplugged, and the website is RoseUnplugged.com.
	Also you can call into the program because as I said, the rest of the hour will be yours after I'm done talking to my next guest.
	Our phone number here is 800 941 Sean.
	That's 800 941 7326.
	I think it's very timely that we decided to have our next guest on today because um he's been talking about the Clintons for a very, very long time.
	Uh and he knows, and none of this, none of what we've seen this week surprises him.
	He's the author of Unlikable, The Problem with Hillary, and he has a new book out.
	Guess what the title is?
	Well, you couldn't guess.
	I'll tell you.
	Guilty as Sin, but it's so appropriate.
	I wonder who it's written about.
	Guilty as Sin.
	Guilty.
	Oh, Hillary Clinton.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And you can pre-order right now on Amazon.com.
	And the book will be out on August 22nd.
	So welcome to the show, Ed Klein.
	Hi, Ed, how are you?
	Rose, it's so good to be back with you, and I hope you're having fun hosting the Hannity Show.
	I am.
	I love the people here, Ed.
	They're so great.
	They are great bunches, right?
	Yeah, we love them.
	So Ed, can you believe it?
	I mean, you know, a long time ago, someone from Little Rock, Arkansas said to me, this was almost twenty years ago, you know, Rose, the Clintons are never going away.
	They haven't.
	And they and it's never been clear just how much they can get away with, Ed.
	You must have been I how did you feel when you were listening to Comey on Tuesday and then consequently what Hillary had to say about all of it coming out slamming Trump the next day without any shame at all.
	True.
	Well, I think I was as surprised as everybody, because James Comey, as everybody has now said again and again, has this great reputation of being honest, straightforward, straight shooter, Elliot Ness, untouchable and all that.
	All my sources, literally all my sources, were of the opinion that he was not going to be cowed by the White House, by the Clintons, by the Justice Department, by anybody, and he was going to do the right thing.
	Right.
	And he didn't.
	He did not do the right thing.
	Uh it's clear as a bell that she's guilty as hell, and yet he didn't charge her.
	And I can only assume, and I don't know this for a fact, that it was a political decision on his part not to convulse the whole politics of the United States and be known as the guy who upset the apple cart, the political apple cart historically, maybe changed who was going to be president.
	And he pull and he pulled in, and I'm very disappointed in him.
	I don't think he's got a leg to stand on, tell you the truth.
	No, I don't, and we are disappointed.
	We share that disappointment with you, certainly.
	And one of the things I think about, you know, when we think about Hillary Clinton and the Clintons, b the both of them really, is how much they're all they're able to get away with Ed, and you know them.
	Listen, I want to one of the things that was said today by Comey was that that that perhaps she wasn't sophisticated enough to understand.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay.
	Do you you've known them.
	You know what they're all about.
	Is that even a possibility that she's not sophisticated?
	She did the same thing in a different way when she was in the White House's first lady.
	She tried, you know, she set up a whole um s uh separate phone system for her and Bill so that wouldn't go through the switchboard.
	Oh, that's right.
	You know, she she knew what she was doing then.
	She tried to get the White House press course thrown out of the West Wing so that she didn't ha they wouldn't watch and see what she was doing.
	She's been this is a secret of woman who has been hiding from scrutiny all her life.
	And she's got a lot of reasons to hide from scrutiny because sh she's not a honest human being.
	No.
	But you know what though?
	People are saying now, you're hearing it everywhere, that she will be tried, even though she wasn't there were no there was no recommendation for indictment and the case is essentially closed.
	She'll be tried in the court of public opinion.
	I've got a um actually I've got a blog out today on Edward Klein dot com.
	Okay.
	And the title is Hillary will be tried in the Court of Public Opinion.
	I totally agree with you.
	And I think she is being already tried in the court of public opinion and uh and uh according to the latest Rasmussen poll, about eighty-five percent of the American public thinks that she got away with murder on this on this email thing.
	Yeah, that's true.
	We do have the newest numbers and I'll give those out.
	That's exactly right.
	They they believe she's guilty.
	Guilty as sin, Ed.
	Yes, and she is.
	And there's no question about it.
	And the fact that, you know, he's using some very technical legal ease to get around it, I think it's shameful because there was intent, I mean I don't have to go through all this with you, Rose.
	You know it is and your listeners know it.
	Of course there was intent to begin with that to hide behind a private server.
	Of course she did that and there was gross negligence.
	And all these things that he said didn't exist did exist.
	And she did lie to the Benghazi committee.
	Yes she did.
	What else do we need to finally bring her down?
	I mean this as you say they've been getting away with this you know what you know thing that I remember from a book I wrote a long time ago about the Clintons in Arkansas that Bill Clinton was involved in allowing tainted blood from Arkansas prisoners to be sold on the open market.
	This is the kind of people we're talking about that's what thirty five, forty years ago.
	You know, and that's interesting.
	It's always about that's other lives.
	Other we were talking to Jack Cash show earlier about TWA eight hundred over two hundred lives there that were lost.
	We talk about Bengazi the four lives there that were lost.
	People die around these people.
	They really really do.
	That's right.
	They do they die and and the country suffers and now we're talking about a a uh presumptive nominee of the major party who is d who is shown to be not only a liar that's bad enough but who is willing to put her own personal needs ahead of our national security and safety during a period in which we're fighting terrorism.
	I mean it's just breathtaking when you stop to think about it.
	It really is.
	Now Ed you've been covering the Clintons for a very long time writing about them.
	You've got impeccable sources, reliable sources what I is this woman is she knows she's lying, right?
	I mean she's not she's not lied to herself has she and and convinced herself that uh that all of these things are are are are really out of her control and that sh that she isn't sophisticated enough.
	I mean does she i i can't believe that someone I honestly I I'm just trying to wrap my mind around this someone who was so willing and so quick to lie.
	To lie I mean she is a liar really she is there's just no there's no two ways about this.
	Well it's the woman doesn't know how to tell the truth.
	And this has been happening you know this has been going on all her life.
	It's not something new and it is my belief based on my reporting with people who have been around her a lot both friends and um you know official campaign people that in fact she is not aware of her that she's being that she's a liar.
	Now this is not to say that she was unaware of what she was doing with the emails.
	Of course she knew what she was doing with the emails but since then she's been lying about them and and knowingly lying about them.
	Uh and I think she's somewhat delusional at times.
	You know and and I've got a good question for you.
	You look we've talked about this before you and I the Clintons and the Obamas there there's no love loss there.
	I mean they they really don't care much for each other.
	Not at all.
	Do you think that there's anything to the claims that the emails that were left that had that have been discovered during the investigation may also incriminate Obama on some level and that maybe the reason he didn't follow through with an indictment or or pushed you know you know to go this way is because you know Obama might have pardoned her I mean well I know exactly what you're saying and what other people are saying and and I think there's some truth to this and I'll tell you why I believe this.
	In a book that I wrote called Blood Feud the Clintons versus the Obamas which came out a couple of years ago.
	Right.
	I talk about a meeting that took place early early early in her tenure as Secretary of State in 2009 when she first became Secretary of State.
	It became immediately apparent to Valerie Jarrett and Barack Obama that she, Hillary, was sending them emails on a not a government server.
	They call I wrote about this.
	They called her into the Oval Office, told her she couldn't do that.
	Demanded that she stop and by the way at the same time demanded that Bill Clinton stop taking um contributions to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments that were dealing with the United States.
	And she ignored it.
	So the c the president of the United States from two thousand nine on was aware of what she was doing.
	So therefore he in a sense was part of this illegal activity.
	And I think you're right, I think taking on Hillary would have meant simultaneously taking on the entire administration, including the president of the United States.
	Wow, I I got one more question for you.
	I have to ask this you know just hours after James Comey held his press conference on Tuesday, um Obama and Hillary began campaigning together.
	At one point you saw her at his podium with the presidential seal on the front of the podium.
	I I just that didn't sit well with a lot of people.
	I mean this had been planned we know that it had been planned that he was going to travel with her on Air Force One.
	It didn't just happen that day.
	This the these the this itinerary was in the works.
	So I it that visual just doesn't sit right with many of us.
	It's as though even though he didn't probably know but it was as though he knew what Comey was going to say.
	You don't make plans to put the nominee, your your party's nominee, on your private plane uh uh on on on the plane and and have her stand at a podium with a presidential seal.
	Well you know what I I agree with you and and what I'm thinking of is one of the wonderful things about America and Americans is that we even today, even though we're we've become kind of cynical but we still believe that there's something called fair play.
	And it's not fair play for a candidate of one party who's running for president to be standing in a podium with the seal of the president on that podium when he when that person is running against somebody else in another party.
	It's just simply not fair.
	It's wrong.
	And Obama was con part of it.
	He was complicit in letting her do that.
	Yeah see now I that just bothered me so much and I know a lot of people had a very difficult time and listen I want to remind everyone because I do have to go to break right now that we're talking to Ed Klein.
	He is the author of the new book Guilty as Sin and you are taking orders on it even though it doesn't it's not released for another month yet.
	That's correct?
	That's correct Rose.
	And they can go anyone can go to Amazon I suppose or any bookstore right?
	Yes.
	And order that book Guilty as Sin by Ed Klein he knows what he speaks of he certainly does and Ed we I so appreciate having you on the program today.
	Thanks so take care now.
	Yes it yes he is well no not him it's me it's Rose.
	I'm sitting in for Sean Hannity today and I'm happy to do so having a lot of fun with everybody.
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	We were just talking to Patrick and at least Patrick and I have to say I appreciate Patrick that you are voting though and and the people that I have a problem with are the ones who are telling me that they're staying home because they just can't bring themselves to vote for Donald Trump and that I have a problem with.
	I really really do.
	Um you know it's it's I I want to take this phone call and I I I want to because Don has been waiting a long time and I love his story.
	So let's let's share that Don calling from North Carolina how are you today?
	Good what do you want me to say Well you said you're just you're now becoming a U.S. citizen and one of the reasons you're most anxious to do that is because you want to vote for Donald Trump.
	Absolutely I'll tell you I've moved here when I was six years old and I'm going to be sixty period and a permanent resident for that entire time this country's been great to me.
	And I get so angry when I hear people say that they're not going to vote because he said this or he said that.
	We have to understand that the mainstream media is lying just like Hillary.
	You if you investigate what's really going on you find out where this man's heart is he's I mean to stand up and take the abuse he's getting and be willing to become the next president of this country I think is just amazing.
	And I personally am going the extra effort I'm going to become a citizen.
	I it's going to be next Wednesday actually.
	Oh congratulations.
	Well thank you.
	And I also I'm not silent.
	I tell people how I feel.
	A lot of people are afraid to say they vote they want Trump just because of what somebody might think.
	Well this is too important to sit back.
	This is this is something we have to stand up.
	We have to tell everybody we see it's amazing how many people when you sit down and talk to them and have a conversation and tell them watch CNN watch Fox News watch MSNBC do your research find out the truth they come back and they say oh my God you're right we need to get behind this guy.
	Yeah and when I hear the guy you know about I'm gonna hold my nose well you can hold your nose and vote either that or you don't and you drowned in crap.
	Well there you go.
	Perfect.
	Well said Don thank you and congratulations too I appreciate your phone call I really do.
	You know and you know he makes a good point.
	Here's the thing he brought up the media the media goes out of their way not to cover the Clintons.
	You know when the Benghazi report came out when the Republicans released it no one really talked about it and then it was shadowed of course by bigger news but listen there was so much information in that report damning information and again even with the emails I was watching some of the reporters talk to Jim Jordan in fact before he came on our program here today and they were challenging him as though he had done something wrong.
	If the media were doing its job and they were simply reporting the news just reporting it especially where the Clintons are involved if they simply reported the news the numbers for Trump would be even greater.
	They would be even greater because people would be hearing some people for the first time exactly what the Clintons have been getting away with when people tell me that they're thinking about staying home or they really have a difficult time voting for Donald Trump, I asked them a few questions and these are the questions I I I encourage others to ask.
	I asked them first of all to take a look at what happened here in Orlando the worst mass shooting that we've ever seen on our soil.
	It was horrible and I feel that one of the greatest arguments we have right now is is something so tangible by taking a look at what happened in Orlando you can say to people let's look at how the two candidates reacted to what happened in Orlando.
	Hillary Clinton could not name the enemy she would not give the enemy a name Donald Trump had no problem identifying the enemy Hillary Clinton was more concerned about regulating your second amendment right and how they might go about doing that.
	In fact the Democrats sat on their you know what's on the floor I was so embarrassed by that what a scene seeing them sitting around like that.
	It was embarrassing.
	But that's the first thing they do is they want to talk about, the first thing they want to talk about is how they can regulate the Second Amendment, your right to bear arms.
	Donald Trump understands that that is important to all of us, that Second Amendment right.
	And oftentimes, that is what protects us and others from harm.
	Just look at that.
	That alone, what happened in Orlando, the way the two candidates approached that issue, that problem we had, that horrible travesty.
	If you can't identify the enemy, how can you lead us?
	And instead of running back to your people and talking about how we can regulate guns, instead of strategizing immediately afterwards, words with the rest of your your team in terms of how we can prevent something like this from happening again, what do we do here to protect our people?
	There is no strategy meeting on that.
	There was nothing about that.
	Now when we see what Hillary was capable of and what she's gotten away with, especially after James Comey went through a list.
	Details.
	He laid out details of what they found.
	They were so damning.
	It's like they had her and then they let her go.
	I don't think we ever really believed she was going to be indicted, but I I don't know.
	I I just can't imagine someone like this going on to win and take on the White House.
	She's not sophisticated enough to understand that a C stands for confidential, or she's not sophisticated enough to understand that there are risks that she puts the nation and the nation's people at when she does something like that.
	Should she be leading us?
	Can she lead us?
	Chris is calling from Utah.
	Chris, you wanted to talk about um Senator Cruz.
	Yeah, hi Rose.
	Um I just wanted to say that um I think Senator Cruz has some negotiating power here.
	Um and I think I hope at least that's what he's trying to do uh in this meeting, um, is to get Donald Trump to move more and and try to appeal to us conservatives.
	I am a cruise supporter just like your earlier caller.
	I will vote for Trump, I will hold my nose, but I think what a lot of us are out here waiting for is for Donald Trump to maybe not so much try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders guys and kind of come back to us conservatives.
	And I think if if Ted Cruz can get some conservative platform items and get Donald Trump to, you know, address things that are concerning to us conservatives, I I hope that's what he's trying to do in this meeting today.
	Yeah, I'm I'm confused as to what that would be.
	I understand when he was meeting with them today, he talked about he talked about national security, he talked about the economy, he talked about many things that we all agree on as conservatives.
	What else would you add to that list?
	Well, I'm I hate to say it, but maybe the some of the social issues, but also less of the the thing that bothers me a lot about Trump is he keeps harping on these trade and tariff kind of deals, and that's not conservative.
	W free trade is conservative.
	And I think we we at least I want to see him not be so concerned with what other countries are doing, but r rather restructuring the tax system in this country and and you know making it easier for businesses, making it easier for the energy companies like as you were talking about earlier to do their thing and create jobs and create prosperity.
	Okay, let me tell you something.
	Uh okay, a couple of things here.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Uh I don't agree with you on the free trade issue, but I will say this what you are asking for, I I do believe he understands, especially where the energy crisis is concerned.
	I believe that he certainly has a good head for that.
	I also believe that he has surrounded himself with people who understand these issues as well, and I think that he does take good counsel, and I I I believe that with all my heart.
	Secondly, it doesn't matter what you at this point, what difference does it make?
	I'm going to use that famous line.
	What difference does it make?
	He is your nominee.
	She is the Democrat's nominee.
	She doesn't agree with anything you said, and we'll never agree with anything you said.
	He is our best chance going forward.
	We've got to get behind him.
	He's not the perfect candidate.
	But you know, as I said earlier today in the program, a a lot of us don't see him necessarily as a Democrat or Republican or a liberal or conservative.
	We don't see he's not an ideologue.
	He is simply a man who believes that he's see we are in trouble here.
	We're in a lot of trouble in a lot of ways.
	And I believe that he believes that he can fix it.
	He can fix what he thinks is wrong with this country right now.
	And you know what?
	I think he might be able to.
	I I really do.
	Here's what I do believe about Mr. Trump.
	I believe that he loves this country.
	I believe that he does believe the country is great and can be great again, even greater again.
	You know, I was at the um press conference that he held at Trump Soho, well gosh, it was about two weeks ago.
	And he talked about how America is great.
	It's one of the it's the greatest country in the world.
	And there were two foreign journalists sitting behind me, and they were laughing at that.
	They were laughing at that.
	And I thought, you know what, go ahead and laugh.
	Because I do think that we are the greatest country in the world.
	I think we have been the greatest country in the world.
	And I don't have a problem with someone who wants to be president of that greatest country in the world and believes that we're the greatest country in the world.
	I don't have a problem with that at all.
	Especially coming off of seven and a half years with a man who's ashamed of this country who went on an apology tour right after he was elected.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	I just I think that we need to come together, and I think, Chris, I understand some of what you're saying, but he is our nominee.
	And and and quite frankly, he broke all records getting there.
	He really did.
	So there are a lot of people who are okay with him and believe that he truly loves the country and he wants to do what he believes is right for the country.
	So I we just what I'm saying is, Chris, we need to get behind him.
	We need to get behind him, and I don't want to hear any more from those in Washington, D.C. who haven't gotten behind him, who are reluctant to do so.
	They need to get with it.
	He is our candidate.
	That's it.
	He is our candidate.
	And he's not against free trade.
	He's against bad trade.
	He's against bad trade deals that really aren't free trade.
	And that's something I think that you need to really think about.
	So there.
	No, okay.
	Thank you, Chris, for your phone call.

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