Sean is on vacation today but Philip Haney and Rich Higgins, both experts in homeland security, have advocated for a pause in our war on terrorism. Rich is encouraging a full review of our current Obama Administration and a real understanding of who the real enemy is, namely the Muslim Brotherhood. Philip reminds us that radicals are not interested in attacking the United States, that is a tactic to their ultimate goal of worldwide Sharia Law. The Sean Hannity Show is live Monday through Friday from 3pm - 6pm ET on iHeart Radio and Hannity.com. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome this afternoon to the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
I'm joined this afternoon.
This is Rich Higgins.
I'm joined this afternoon by Philip Haney, founding member of the Department of Homeland Security, author of the new book, See Something, Say Nothing, a true scholar of the counterterrorism community.
Also joining us in studio this afternoon is John Gilliam, former Navy SEAL, Federal Air Marshal.
He is basically my security guard this afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
This is Rich Higgins.
I am hosting for Sean Hannity, who's out on vacation today.
My background, I am the Vice President of Intelligence and National Security for a Defense Department contractor.
I'm also a former government employee, a program manager with the Department of Defense.
I ran the irregular warfare support section of the Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office for the Pentagon for about 10 years.
We're here today basically talking a little bit about terrorism.
We want to inject some truth in reality.
And the past 24 hours, I think, has given you all a pretty good picture of where we are in terms of our reality baseline.
The truth is absent.
We're adrift here.
And it's really an amazing thing to have the three of us sitting here in the studio today.
We've got a great guest lineup for you at this pivotal point in American history.
I think there's a sense of helplessness out there in the community.
There's a sense of what do we do now out there in the community.
I think what we want to do is kind of provide some, I'll call it some ground truth perspective.
None of us have these high career paths that we've been on.
We're giving you the ground truth, reality perspective from guys who've operated inside the CET community for a number of years.
I'll give you a little bit about my background and then we'll walk it over to Phil here in a second.
My background is in Army enlisted explosive ordnance disposal.
Shout out to all the EOD guys in the military community.
Department of Justice as a consultant working on improvised weapons.
After 9-11, ended up back in the Defense Department for a number of years working at the Combating Terrorism Tech Support Office.
Did some time at the National War College as a special operations and low-intensity conflict chair there.
So that's my background and my pedigree, but I'm really here to talk to you today about how the enemy sees the war on terrorism.
You know, let's put aside what's going on with the Clinton stuff.
Let's talk about terrorism.
While the three of us have the big mic today, we want to get into this.
And I'm going to ask you to hearken back to where you were on September 9th, 2001.
And I want you to think about what you were doing that day, because that's when the attack on 9-11 really began.
That's when the al-Qaeda guys operating in Afghanistan assassinated two reporters, assassinated Ahmed Shah Massoud, and set the attack moving forward in earnest.
And I want you to think about Bin Laden, you know, and Imam al-Zawahiri and Mullah Omar.
And here we are 15 years later.
And given the events of the past 24 hours, how do we get to where we are?
And how does the enemy see their progress in this war?
If you could go back and you could tell them, could they have imagined at this point in time the United States would be $20 trillion in debt, Iraq in a sectarian civil war, and Afghanistan under increasing Taliban control, both having constitutions placing those republics under Sharia law, U.S. ally Turkey would be drifting more and more into the arms of the Brotherhood under Erdogan.
Mubarak has been removed from power in Egypt, replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood, who's then replaced by Sisi, and the United States administration under Barack Obama decides we're not going to support Sisi.
He wants to support the MB.
Abdine Ben Ali is gone in Tunisia.
Saleh in Yemen, Gaddafi in Libya.
You know, the later two states descended into civil war.
Nigeria, West Africa, Somalia, all under threat, all over Africa.
The Islamic Republic of Iran gets $150 billion from Secretary Kerry, $150 billion.
Nascent Islamic insurgencies are taking place in France, Italy, Germany, England, Belgium, and millions more inassimable Islamic immigrants who reside in no-go zones are flooding into Europe, receiving social welfare benefits paid for by their citizens.
I'm not done yet.
We're about halfway through the list.
We could go on and on and on.
U.S. presidential candidates from both parties, though, have said in the past, the Islamic State's not Islamic.
There's one candidate who's actually come forward and called this out.
We all know who it is.
We don't even have to say his name.
He's the one guy speaking truth.
He's the one guy operating in reality.
And what happens?
The mainstream media attacks him for it.
The mainstream media just basically wants to destroy him because of it.
National security officials are prohibited from developing a fact-based understanding of the Islamic threat doctrine.
And that's what these two guys here today with me, Philip Haney, who self-taught, self-educated, a patriot, and a scholar, went, he did the homework.
He did the research.
Bill, do you have anything to add?
Sure.
I was a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security in March 2003.
And I took a vow to protect the country, citizens of the United States from threat, both foreign and domestic.
And I took it very seriously, and that brought me into direct conflict with the administration over a 10-year period.
I retired honorably in July 31st, 2015.
I wrote a book called See Something, Say Nothing.
It's a play on the words of the motto of the Department of Homeland Security.
We hear so often.
If you see something, say something, except that they never tell you what to see, and they never tell you what to say.
So I tried it, and I found out it's not a good idea if you want to enhance your career.
Hey, Philip, one thing I'll add there is I'll tell you, it's not see something, say nothing from my perspective.
It's see something, say Islam has nothing to do with it.
I think that should be the title of your next book.
From my perspective, how did we get to the point where we have, you know, I'll use your word here, John, for a second.
You know, if you're out on a SEAL team and you hit a target, you thought four guys were inside that door and there are 40 guys inside and they're all armed, wearing suicide vests.
Are you going to keep going in?
No, no, no.
And I'm not going to call them Muslims either, according to this administration.
Well, here's the question for you, right?
At what point do we back out off this target?
Stop doing operational pause and strategic reassessment of what are we doing?
You know, we have to get to that point, right?
Well, we should have done that in 2001.
We should have stopped, paused, looked at exactly who the enemy was, and looked at the history of this enemy and how they fight their war strategically.
We never did that.
We did a tactical campaign, and that's continued on down the line because as we're seeing now, what happened with Comey yesterday, majority of the executives at these levels, high levels of agencies are incompetent.
Even DOD.
People would be surprised about that.
Yeah, John, here's a quick question for you.
I mean, do you think it's incompetence?
How much of it's incompetence and how much of it is the actions of our enemy?
Well, it depends on what enemy you're talking about.
I'm talking about the Muslim Brotherhood, the real enemy in the war on terrorists.
But see, here's the problem.
You're talking about an enemy that has infiltrated our administration.
So when you say the enemy, you're really talking about a lot of the people that are in our administration.
I mean, our administration is as big, no, let me take that back, is bigger of a national security threat than ISIS, than Muslim fundamentalists.
Our administration and their bad policies and incompetent mindsets and how to fight an enemy has destroyed our national security.
Hillary Clinton has done more to harm our national security than 99.999% of all agents that ever worked for the government ever before.
John, that's an amazing statement.
I don't disagree with a word you're saying.
Here's my only issue with what you said, right?
We can't let the Republicans in Congress who haven't addressed this issue get away with it.
One of the things that Phil was involved in last week was a series of hearings on willful blindness.
And I don't know if we talked about it too much last week when we were on with Sean, but Phil, tell me a little bit about the genesis of those hearings.
Well, I went to Congress 45 times during a four-year period during active duty between 2012 and 2015 with no public action.
But for the first time last week, Senator Cruz and his committee, the Judiciary Committee, actually had public hearings and we got to talk in a historical manner about Sharia law, the real nature of the threat that we face.
The threat that we face is not jihad or violent extremism or even attacks.
Those are tactics.
That's not the strategy of the global Islamic movement.
It is Sharia law, which is in direct conflict with the Constitution.
And four of us got to speak before the committee on the 28th of June and historical presentation of the real nature of the facts.
And then two days later, my former boss, Secretary Jay Johnson, said in public before an oversight committee, he did not know me.
He had not taken the time to look into my claims.
And in fact, he didn't really care what the words were.
It didn't matter.
Phil, Phil, you know, it's amazing to me.
When I was on staff at the National War College, we were always a fan of quotes, right?
And one of my favorite quotes is from Sun Tzu.
And he always said, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.
So I think, you know, as we sit here today looking at where we're at, we can sit back and we can say, we've conceptualized the war on terrorism incorrectly.
We've created a war on tactics.
And I think what we want to do is we want to use today, we're going to have callers come in.
We have guests coming in.
We're going to try and reframe the war for the audience.
And we're going to do it in an aggressive, proactive way.
This is a good time to bring in the CVE countering violent extremism policy, which is being debated in Congress right now.
It's an obsolete policy and discredited because it is only a tactic.
Phil, I think that we've set the table today.
I hope you guys will join us for the rest of the lunch, and we're going to walk this out.
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Really, folks, I think what we want to do today is look at the war on terrorism through a different lens.
Take the operational pause, take a deep breath, take a knee for all you military guys, and think about what we're doing.
We're 15 years into this thing.
I think everybody is in agreement that it's a bigger mess than ever.
We're probably in a worse position than we were strategically than on the morning of 9-11.
And as we begin to look at this, I think I want to draw us away from the way we usually conceptualize warfare into something called political warfare, which is understanding the actions around the events.
So let's take, for example, the attack in Orlando.
And you have, you know, aside from the carnage and the death associated with the attack itself, you have the political and legal and informational actions that are taking place around that event.
You know, you see the left going after the First and Second Amendment, you know, going after free speech, going after gun rights.
These are foundational American principles that are under assault.
They're not under assault by the explosions and the bombs and the guns going off.
They're under assault by our politicians and our political leadership and our media who's failing to identify the enemy, failing to look at their threat doctrine.
15 years into this, here's a quick anecdote for you.
15 years into the Cold War, how many experts on communism did we have?
5,000, 10,000?
Socialism, Marxism, communism, all variants.
In this war, the United States, I'd say we have about 20 experts on Islamic threat doctrine, if that, real experts who can understand the enemy as the enemy understands himself.
I'm not here to tell you what Islam is or is not.
That's not my job as a national security professional.
My job is to tell you how Al-Qaeda understands Islam, how ISIS understands Islam, how the Muslim Brotherhood understands Islam.
Those are the only things we really care about.
Phil, when you were at the Department of Homeland Security, did you have an education program?
Did you have a career track career training that brought you up to a level of understanding that allowed you to do what you did on those tabliki Jamaat terrorists?
No, there was no real formal procedure for mentoring, for example, teaching other people how to do this.
It was pretty much self-initiative.
But we had some training, but not to the depth of the necessity that we could understand the threat doctrine.
No.
Philip, did you think that that was political correctness?
Did you think that was, what was it?
I mean, was it just laziness?
What was it?
Well, it is political correctness because somewhere around 2006 and going forward, the narrative became that Islam has to be separated from terrorism.
And no matter what proof we could lay on the table to my superiors over the years, there was seemingly nothing that could break through to it to the point where we see today where we're not even allowed to use the basic fundamental language of Islam, such as Sharia law or jihad or even benign terms like ummah, which means mother or global Islamic community.
So one of the things I'm fond of saying to people who will actually take the time inside the system, politicians, et cetera, that I've run into, is that during the Bush years, that during the Bush years, we had, I'll call them Muslim Brotherhood affiliates that would show up and they would be influencing our political leadership, both in the Bush administration and in Congress in Capitol Hill.
But I think what we saw is in 2006, when the Dems took back Congress, a concerted move to the left into, I'll call it a purge, which we all know really happened in 2011.
We'll talk about that here, I'm sure, more in a little bit in your upcoming segment here.
But there was a purge of expertise inside the various elements of the national security community.
We started to see some of that last week discussed in the open under the Willful Blindness hearings.
Can you elaborate a little bit on that, Philip?
Yes, it really did start about 2006.
And I'm what I call a harbinger.
I was one of the very first people to encounter this new policy.
I was actually investigated very formally by my own agency for writing an open source article called Green Tide Rising, Hamas Ascends, keeping in mind that Hamas was already a globally designated terrorist organization.
But the CIA turned me in, and my own agency, Department of Homeland Security, investigated me for 11 months to find the reason why I wrote that article and claimed that I used classified information to do it.
So that was the first, and that was in fall of 2006.
Philip, every time I hear it, I just can't believe it.
John, I'm going to ask you, you know, real quick, and this is a nod to all the operators out there.
You know, you guys have won every tactical engagement.
And just, you know, give us your insights walking this thing out.
That's going to be longer than that.
So let me, I'll tell you, when we come back, I'll give you my answer.
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This is Rich Higgins filling in for Sean while he's on vacation, co-hosting here with Philip Haney, founding member at the Department of Homeland Security, author of the new book, See Something, Say Nothing.
Joining us in studio is former Navy SEAL John Gilliam.
He is here providing protection for me.
He's my bodyguard today.
My mic's back.
It went off there for me on a second.
No issues.
That was NSA beaming in and cutting us out.
They don't want you to hear the truth, folks.
Bottom line up front, I just got a text in from a buddy friend of mine.
I won't say what federal agency he's in, but he's listening right now.
And he said, the government won't trust its analysts on Islam regardless of their expertise.
They rely on cultural experts, usually Muslim Brotherhood, who have a duty to protect Islam.
Hardworking analysts inside the government and Department of Defense are not being listened to.
And I can tell you that that is exactly what I saw while I was inside the system.
Now, on that note, one of those hardworking analysts is sitting here with me today, Philip Haney.
And I'm going to hand the control over to him for a second.
And he's going to take us through a little bit of his own story.
So Philip, jump in here and just give the audience a little bit of a history lesson on your own story.
I'd be glad to.
I'd like to recommend everyone a story, an article I wrote this morning called Obama Whistleblower, Terror-Linked Muslim Groups Helping Set Policy and Costing Lives.
You can read it.
It's on Breitbart.
It gives you a good walkthrough of the trajectory of the events that happened while I was active duty.
Also, as the author of See Something Says Nothing, I'd like to recommend four steps.
Everybody out there, I'm sure, is wondering what the heck can I do in the midst of all of this?
I can tell you a few simple things that you can do.
Everybody across the country can do this and turn this into a grassroots movement because this still is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
You can buy a copy of the book and read it.
And why I'm promoting the book is it's not a story about me.
It's a story about America.
I take you with a walk through camera through 15 years of history after 9-11 as if you were really standing right inside the room seeing it happen from your own perspective.
Now share comments on your social media network.
Get it out there.
Everybody has a social media network.
Twitter, tweet, email, whatever it might be.
Then post a review on Amazon or one of the websites and tell people what you think from that perspective.
And lastly, most important, is notify Congress about your concerns.
A letter is better, but a phone call is the best.
So if you can do that, sorry, let's start over.
A letter is the best, but a phone call will do.
And you would be surprised how much attention it will get.
Tell your congressmen that it's about time for them to address the nature of this threat.
Now, for those who are more scholarly, I recommend a book called Quranic Concept of War.
If you want to go back and dig into what the Quran actually says about strategy and tactics of warfare, go look it up online.
You don't even have to buy it.
It's free.
Just go look it up as a PDF, and it's a very straightforward, strategic and tactical analysis of what's going on in the Islamic world vis-à-vis jihad and warfare.
Now there's a few statements I'd like to make, but before I do that, I want to mention that the wonderful time I had in Massapequa Park, Long Island, during the 4th of July.
They blockade their whole neighborhood off and have a 4th of July party.
The whole group, little kids, frisbees, hula hoops, watermelons, and fireworks.
It was the most meaningful 4th of July that I've ever had in my life out there at Massapequa Park.
And I also attended the parade right down the middle of the neighborhood.
It was wonderful.
I've been all over the country in the last few months, speaking and sharing about the story behind See Something, Say Nothing.
And I'd like to tell you about some of the other towns that I've been to.
Alito, Texas, and Mustang, Oklahoma, Ozark, Arkansas, Fulton, Mississippi, Marietta, Georgia, little towns.
Maybe you never heard of them, but I've been there and I can tell you one thing for sure.
This country is worth standing up for.
It's time for all of us to stand up for it and do our part.
Everybody here in the country listening right now can play a part in what we're doing.
This is not hopeless, but you have to stand up and become engaged, just exactly like what we did when we took our vow to help protect America from threat, both foreign and domestic.
Well, there is threat here domestic, and you need to stand up and help do it.
It's a teamwork, a team effort.
We're a country.
I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the more technical side of what we're facing.
The threat of Islamic terrorism does not just come from a network of armed organizations such as Hamas and ISIS who are operating over there in the Middle East.
In fact, branches of the same global network have been established here in America and they are operating in plain sight, especially among those who have been charged with the duty of protecting our country from threats both foreign and domestic.
To make it plain and simple, the goal, the strategy of the global Islamic movement, which is based on Quran 2, 191 through 193, you can look it up, is actually very simple, to establish Sharia law everywhere in the world, including here in America.
There's an organization, if you doubt that that's the truth, called the AMJA, American Muslim Jurists Association.
That doesn't sound too bad in English, but in Arabic it is Majama Fuqaha Al-Sharia Bi'amriqiya.
They are promoting Sharia law right here in the United States.
One of the questions, or one of the things I was thinking of when you were saying those words about the oath of office is, and I know all the other military veterans that are listening to this active duty and former active duty and law enforcement, is that the key words there are to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
People don't realize that, you know, when we go in the military or we go into law enforcement, we take an oath to support and defend that, to support and to defend it.
But Americans have an obligation to do the same because of their citizenry.
And I think that is, I'm listening to your words as you go over these, and it's just, it's so phenomenal that in this day and age, this many years forward, two things are standing out right now from our founding fathers.
One is the Constitution, how important it is.
And number two, the fact that we're basically facing a tyrannical government.
Well, what I say is that if you take an oath, if you're a person of integrity, you're a man or a woman in law enforcement military or whatever circumstances require you to take an oath, once you raise that right hand, there's something that you can never do in the rest of your life, and that is to use that right hand to cover up your face and pretend that you cannot see or hear what's going on.
And although I'm retired from federal law enforcement, my vow is still active duty, and it takes me, and I will follow it wherever it does take me until this issue is resolved.
We'll see how we do in November.
But I'd like to go back to what I was referring to earlier about the Sharia and the strategy and tactics.
The Sharia is quite simple to state, to establish Sharia everywhere in the world.
That's strategy.
What is complicated, kaleidoscopic are the methods, meaning the tactics that are used to achieve this goal.
These tactics cover a spectrum of Quranically authorized methods ranging from peaceful dialogue and persuasion, which is called dawah, all the way to the violent methods, including jihad, that we have seen in the news more than 28,000 times.
That's one an hour since 9-11, somewhere in the world.
In fact, there are at least two other operative verbs in the Quran that occur four times more frequently than the verb jihad, and both are several dimensions more violent than the strictly literal meaning of jihad, which is to struggle.
Thus, the threat we face today that continues growing, despite the willful blindness of those who insist on pretending otherwise, are not the tactical methods of violent extremism, terrorism, or even operative verbs like jihad, but rather the historical and universally recognized Islamic strategic goal of implementing Sharia law everywhere in the world.
Folks, I'm learning a lot.
I hope you are.
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Guest host is Mr. Philip Payney, founding member at the Department of Homeland Security, author of See Something, Say Nothing.
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Sorry about that mic issue a few minutes ago, folks.
I do think the folks at Fort Meade are triangulating in on this location right now.
President Obama has an operating instruction out for us as it is.
We're going to keep bringing the truth to you here today.
So, you know, a quick little segue here, Philip.
Last week, so Tuesday, I know you testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee oversight.
And two days later, I believe Secretary Johnson came in.
And, you know, I think the audience may or may not be familiar with that.
So can we cue the audio on that?
We also heard testimony from a former employee of the Department of Homeland Security, Phil Haney, that in October 2009, more than 800 Customs and Border Patrol documents were ordered modified, scrubbed, or deleted to remove references to Jihad or the Muslim Brotherhood or other similar references.
Was Mr. Haney's testimony that the Department of Homeland Security ordered over 800 documents in CBB altered or deleted?
Was that testimony accurate?
I have no idea.
I don't know who Mr. Hanan is.
I wouldn't know him if he walked in the room.
So you have not investigated whether your department ordered documents to be modified in 2009 to remove references to jihad, radical Islamic terrorism, the Muslim Brotherhood.
You have not investigated that question.
No, I have not taken the time to investigate what Mr. Hainan says.
No.
And when the United States Senate Judiciary Oversight Committee conducted a hearing on that, did you or anyone in your staff inquire into those issues?
No, but you have me right here right now to ask questions of.
But apparently your answer is you don't know.
I am asking you, in 2009, and again in 2012, Mr. Haney testified there were two purges, and that was the word he used, purge, at the Department of Homeland Security to remove references to radical Islamic terrorism.
Is it accurate that the records were changed?
Same answer I gave you before.
I have no idea, sir.
You have no knowledge of any records being changed at the Department of Homeland Security.
Same answer.
I have no idea, sir.
Would it concern you if it was accurate?
Senator, I find this whole debate to be very interesting, but I have to tell you, when I was at the Department of Defense giving the legal sign-off on a lot of drone strikes, I didn't particularly care whether the baseball card said Islamic extremist or violent extremist.
I think this is very interesting, but it makes no difference to me in terms of who we need to go after who is determined to attack our homeland.
The other point I'd like to make, sir, is that, and I have to think in practical terms in Homeland Security, I think this is all very interesting, makes for good political debate.
But in practical terms, if we, in our efforts here in the homeland, start giving the Islamic state the credence that they want to be referred to as part of Islam or some form of Islam, we will get nowhere in our efforts to build bridges with Muslim communities, which we need to do in this current environment right now that includes homegrown violent extremists.
Philip, that is just unbelievable testimony.
That man is a lawyer signing out on the targeted killing of individuals, talking about baseball cards with a degree of nonchalance that's just shocking.
I have to ask you, when you saw that Thursday, what was your reaction to it?
Sadly, I was not surprised at all because a Hollywood scriptwriter couldn't have prepared a better scenario of exactly what it was like during the years I was active duty.
I heard that same kind of response over and over again during the course of my career.
Phil, quick question for you.
The audience is probably familiar with the edited, red-acted transcripts that came out of the Orlando caller and where they removed any references to Islam, his declaring bayat to Baghdadi, everything else that happened there.
What was your take when you saw that?
I mean, I have to tell you, as somebody who was inside the system, that looked like every national security strategy document I saw, every national military strategy I saw.
Did you see the same thing at DHS?
Yeah, they've been deleting, modifying, removing, censoring, scrubbing, whatever adjective you want for about eight years, maybe 10, as a form of policy.
So when Attorney General Loretta Lynch did that, again, I was not surprised by it at all.
So what we're seeing here really is a top-down scrubbing that's directly impacting our ability to do strategic, operational, and tactical intelligence.
That's what you're telling me, is that right?
It's not only directly impacting our operational intelligence, it's leading to the death of people because those cases that we worked on that they deleted the information from are directly related to San Bernardino in Orlando.
Amen, Phil.
Phil, we're all sitting here at this critical juncture in American history, the election looming.
And I think the American people are starting to like what they're here.
They're getting some truth, and we're going to keep bringing it back to you after this hard break we have coming up.
Keep listening.
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This is Rich Higgins, former Department of Defense Program Manager at the Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office.
I'm joined here in studio by Philip Payney, my co-host today, author of the book See Something, Say Nothing, former Department of Homeland Security.
I'm also joined in theater by a couple of Navy SEALs now.
They're doubling on us here, folks.
We're being overrun.
Jonathan Gilliam, his Twitter handle is j Gilliam underscore SEAL on Facebook.
Follow him at Jonathan T. Gilliam.
And also in studio now is another John, also a Trident wearer, Navy SEAL, John Iodonasy.
He is the, I'm going to read his bio here.
He is the founder and CEO of Viscents, a Dallas-based influencer services firm working with Fortune 500 clients.
He's a computer scientist.
He's a former Navy SEAL.
He worked at the Special Operations Command and the Central Intelligence Agency.
He's a combat wounded purple heart decorated veteran.
I know he got shot up in Mosul.
He's still got the scar to prove it.
And he's a fellow Bostonian.
So hats off to John.
John, thanks for joining us here today.
Rich, thanks so much.
And thanks for you and Sean and Linda for inviting me on.
I'm really truly honored to be here.
John, one of the things I asked you to come on here today is you and I worked together in the Pentagon years ago.
And back before social media became the buzz that it is today.
First quick question for you is, how important is the internet and social media to the enemy that we're fighting today?
The most simplistic analogy is it is the oxygen of the movement.
I think that's the best way to describe it.
It is ubiquitous.
It is free.
And it literally is the essential critical component fueling this movement and many other movements.
So John, you know, here's a question.
I mean, you and I fought these battles inside the Pentagon, you know, trying to get people to look.
This is 10 years ago now, trying to get the system to recognize the importance of this communications architecture and how it was going to impact unconventional warfare.
What do you see right now in terms of propagation of the ideology?
How prolific is it?
How fast is it growing?
I mean, we see the internet growing quickly.
What do you see in terms of ideological development?
Right.
So let's look at some of the stats in general.
I mean, you take YouTube.
There's roughly 120 hours of YouTube video uploaded every minute onto YouTube.
You've got over 300 million Twitter users.
You've got a billion five Facebook users, et cetera.
Every single second of every day, these networks are active propagating information.
A lot of these networks, these companies are being exploited, commandeered by ISIS, Al-Qaeda, any of the movements to propagate their messages.
So, John, I know you're active inside the, I'll call it the white hat hacker community.
I know you operate within those realms a little bit, far more than I do, anyways.
And you're kind of a Renaissance man in the operator world.
You know, what do you think of what happened with Hillary Clinton's server?
I mean, you know, hostile actors.
Who do you think got in there?
And what is the impact long term, you think, for U.S. national security?
I don't think we know the impact yet.
I think it's going to take decades to unwind.
I do know this.
I do know that for $100,000, I could probably hire some hackers to take your credit score rich from where it is now, probably $8,000, down to about $320,000.
I mean, we're dealing with a digital mercenary environment where you can hire for whatever you would like.
And we're seeing it now in the dark web.
We're also seeing it in an area that we focus on.
I mean, my whole time now is largely spent in the big brands in Hollywood and film.
And the same mechanisms that we use to hunt and find people apply today if you're looking to buy a pair of shoes.
So here's a question for you, John.
As you look at, you know, your experience background is very unique in that, you know, it's from the tactical and, you know, in combat all the way up to the strategic and the marketing world.
Is ISIS, is this Islamic movement, do they have their own brand?
Do they have their own marketing pitch?
And how do you see that maneuvering out over the next couple of years?
What's the future look like?
It's not just a brand.
It's a multifaceted Hydra in many ways.
There's an entire recruitment element.
There's an entire fundraising element.
There's an entire operational element.
And then what you were talking about here, which is the most important, there's an ideological or political warfare element.
And that is the strategy.
That is the glue that combines and thrusts this entire movement into the realm of amateur to formidable.
Let me bring Phil in here for a second.
Phil, you know, before the break, you were talking a little bit about the Quranic concept of war.
S.K. Malik, Brigadier General S.K. Malik's book, authored in Pakistan, 1979, signed out by the Pakistani Attorney General, signed out by Zia al-Haq right before he overthrows the government, creates an Islamic Republic.
A quick question for you.
When you see the proliferation of ideas like that, I think you said before the break that that's available to download on the internet for free.
Yep, it's a PDF.
Anybody can go look up.
They'll find out that the warfare is not the domain of the soldier, for example.
That's one of the things that they teach, that no nation is sovereign, that it doesn't matter what the boundaries are or the political system, that Sharia law ultimately must defeat them.
There is a divine philosophy on war that's incorporated into the Quran that's discussed in this book, the Quranic concept of war.
It tells you all about the nature of warfare and how, this is to me the most ominous of it, how to strike terror into the hearts of your enemy, which actually comes from Quran 860, which just happens to be the motto of the moderate Muslim Brotherhood.
Same word.
So the moderate Muslim Brotherhood.
So I saw floating around on Twitter today, it was a picture of Representative McCall from Texas.
And on that picture, he had signed out to CARE in Dallas saying, to Mustafa and the folks at CARE, the moderate Muslim is our best weapon.
And what you're saying to me is that who's using that weapon, Phil?
Well, I say it's moderate like if you're in the shallow end of the swimming pool, you're moderately wet.
But if you're in the deep end of the swimming pool, you're radically wet.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the most radical and pro-jihad organization on the face of the earth.
Their firstborn son, I call him, is Hamas.
So let me ask you a question, Phil.
And then, John, we're going to walk out how the Muslim Brotherhood has digitized their ideology.
So just hold tight with me for a second.
How long has the Muslim Brotherhood been operational inside the United States?
Since the early 60s, when you're telling me that the Muslim Brotherhood has been operating in the United States since the 1960s.
And self-proclaimed to me as well.
It wasn't solid.
So they were here before 9-11.
Yeah, well, what is that?
30, 40 years before 9-11?
That's a scale of problem that maybe we don't quite understand yet.
Well, that's why their deletion of the information in the system that I talk about so much is so important.
Explains a lot about what happened right after 9-11, where we all of a sudden hear nonsensical terms coming out of political leadership on both parties that basically shut down the strategic intelligence process for the war.
Am I right?
Yeah, well, now it's culminated in the prohibition of using the word Sharia law, which is, after all, their entire goal, their global strategy.
We're not allowed to talk essentially about the global strategy of the Islamic movement.
That puts blindfolds on us.
We're driving blind down the interstate.
So, John, you know, knowing that the Brotherhood has been operational in the United States since the early 1960s, building infrastructure, you know, as a guy who studies unconventional warfare, these guys are building an underground and an infrastructure here.
What is the advent of the information age, right?
The emergence of the internet in the 90s and the ubiquitous communications that we have today.
What does that mean for this movement?
Limitless borders and an environment really where an individual can yield strategic power.
And that's a major shift.
So explain that to me.
Yeah, let me explain what that means.
So that means any particular user or individual, let's take somebody on Twitter like a celebrity, okay?
You've got, I don't know, Katie Powery, any of them have millions, tens of millions, 40 million people that any given day want to hear what she puts out, okay?
In the same vein, you have ideological extremists that use the same construct to get their messages out to the same amount of people, unabated and unquestioned.
So in this, I guess what you're telling me here is that we are in a global ideological war that has manifestations that we can see, Omar Mateen shooting up the Pulse nightclub, but it also has an unseen ideological component that's taking place inside of this digital environment that, you know, how do we get our hands around that?
Well, five years ago, a guy by the name of Uka, Mr. Uka in Ramstein Air Force Base, shot two airmen on the bus.
Do you remember that?
In court, he said that I watched a video of U.S. Army people raping an Iraqi woman.
That video, Rich, was fabricated.
That was built.
It was a clip from, I think it was Brian DePalma's redacted.
They spliced a minute and a half.
Nobody was raped.
It was an act.
It was a Hollywood scene that the enemy took, exploited, which caused somebody to get on a bus and shoot out people.
So that was morphed 800 times over.
So that's something that our old, you know, our Cold War veterans out there would understand is an old agitation and propagation, a propaganda mechanism, right?
Where we're going to agitate the population for the purpose of creating political instability.
I think, you know, as I sit here listening to this, I'm trying to get my head around it, and I've been working on this for 15 years.
So I think, you know, the public is out there right now.
Do you have anything that you recommend or you feel that the public can do?
You know, one or two things they can do.
I mean, I'm going to throw two suggestions right now.
Number one is you need to call Representative McCall, and you need to shut down the countering violent extremism resolution that's moving forward.
Shut it down.
The Muslim Brotherhood was intimately involved in its authorship.
The Muslim Brotherhood front organizations will be the biggest beneficiaries of it.
The number two thing I would recommend from my side is the Muslim Brotherhood must be designated a terrorist organization.
Speaker Ryan can call that bill to the floor today.
It has to be called to the floor.
By all means, reach out, call both of those men.
We'll give out their information on Hannity.com here in a few minutes.
You know, real quick, you're listening to Rich Higgins, former Department of Defense program manager, Phil Payney, former Department of Homeland Security author of See Something, Say Nothing.
We're joined in studio right now by John Iodonsey, CEO of VizSense, and he is telling us about the ideological warfare part.
John, give us, give us a picture of the patient.
Yeah, I want to give you the two pointers.
Pointer number one, I was in Civil Air Patrol when I was a kid.
We looked for down pilots.
We looked for missing children.
We need a digital civil air patrol.
We need a group where people can get online and they can report recruitment videos.
They can actually be part of defending this country from a digital lexicon, number one.
Number two is the increase on public-private partnerships.
And I don't mean the one where everybody holds hands.
I mean going back to what we did in 41 and 42, where the titans of industry, and a lot of them today are in Silicon Valley, are holding hands side by side, helping us dismantle bona fide adversaries attacking our country, which is going on right now.
And they're doing this because they're patriots.
Yes.
I got it.
Phil, got anything?
No?
Okay.
Well, here's where I'm at.
I think, you know, we've touched on the command and control structure, the ideological warfare infrastructure that our enemy is using in this war.
When we come back after the break that's coming up here, I think we're going to dig into this a little bit deeper.
We may take a couple calls.
I'm thinking we may want to look at maybe a little bit under the hood at where this CVE thing comes from and how that's rolling out inside Congress right now.
And again, this is Rich Higgins, former DOD program manager.
Join us after the break.
Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Radio Program.
This is guest host, Rich Higgins, former Department of Defense Program Manager, Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office.
In studio with me is Philip Haney, former Department of Homeland Security, author of the book, See Something, Say Nothing.
Also in studio, I've got a SEAL fire team here.
I've got Jonathan Gilliam.
Yeah, we're safe in here.
Go ahead and try and take down this office today, guys.
JonathanGilliam.com, Jonathan Gilliam, excuse me, JonathanTGilliam.com on Facebook at JonathanT. Gilliam.
With us also is the CEO of VizSense, Mr. John Iodonnessy, former Navy SEAL Purple Heart, one of my personal heroes.
One quick question, John.
As technology evolves, it's a really difficult thing for the military to adjust.
You had advocates in the industrial age saying, we don't need engines.
A starved horse will continue to work for days and an engine with no fuel can't use it.
What did Henry Ford say?
If I had asked what the people wanted, they would have said faster horses.
Exactly.
So here's the question for you.
How do you see this moving forward?
Just give me the thousand-foot overview.
Come on.
What I see moving forward is I see us reaching a critical point where we're going to have to break the rules and start over as it relates to acquisition of technology and acquisition of talent.
And talent in technology or talent and resources, I should say, combined is going to have to be purpose-built for actual objectives.
What does that mean?
Taking out movements.
So threat-focused, threat-focused.
We have to understand Islam as these enemies understand Islam.
That's what you're saying.
That's what I'm saying.
It even drives the technology.
This is not about J-Damming a new type of weapon system, an NSA guy developing.
Anybody who doesn't know what a J-Dam is, that's a kind of bomb.
Yeah, okay.
This is about getting inside the human infrastructure, which is known as the brain, and changing, changing, and dismantling and inducing uncertainty into the trust of the adversary.
All right, John, my caller board's lit up over here.
Let's take a couple calls now.
Let's go to Joe in Los Angeles, California.
Hey, guys.
Hey, Joe, how are you today?
Hey, Joe.
Fascinating stuff.
Great stuff.
Listen, you guys are the experts.
It pertains and relates to what's going on with our former Secretary of State and the secrets that may or may not be exposed.
And the question is, Uma Abedeen, you talked about the Muslim Brotherhood.
Is there a connection, family member connection there?
I think we've read that.
We've heard it.
So you guys are the experts.
What's the status on that?
Joe, we're going to dig into that a little bit.
I can tell you she's got some funny family ties, and we'll start there.
We're going to bring you back after the break, and we're going to ask Phil to go deep on that because there's a lot there, and you're hitting on something that everybody needs to know with the presidential election looming in just a couple months.
Join us after the break here.
This is Rich Higgins, former DOD program manager.
You're listening to Sean Hannity.
Here today, taking time away from my family work during this last week of our holiest month of Ramadan, a time of fasting and deep atonement, because I could not feel more strongly that our current national and agency direction in combating Islamist-inspired terrorism is deeply flawed and profoundly dangerous.
As a devout Muslim who loves my faith and loves my nation, the de-emphasis of radical Islam is the greatest obstacle to both national harmony and national security.
Wholesale denial of the truth by many in our government and political establishment is not only dishonest, it infantilizes Muslims while lying to the American people.
But it actually emboldens the extremists on both sides of this debate.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's Mr. Dr. Zudi Jasser at the Senate hearings last week on willful blindness, testifying on how difficult it is to be an actual peaceful Muslim living in the United States when the Muslim community in the United States is under control of the Muslim Brotherhood apparatus.
It's kind of like, you know, having the mafia in control of your neighborhood or up in Boston, you know, how it was in Southey back when Whitey was in charge.
I think everybody can relate to that.
You know, this is Rich Higgins, former DOD program manager, Combating Terrorism Tech Support Office.
I have a small fire team in here with me today.
I've got, you know, anybody who wants to try a terrorist attack doesn't want to try this studio.
I've got Jonathan T. Gilliam in here.
He is a former FBI agent, former Navy CEO.
I've got John Iodonasy, former Navy SEAL, computer scientist, WizKid.
I've got Philip Payney, author of See Something, Say Nothing, former DHS.
He is Mr. Islam.
He knows more about this stuff than most of us.
And again, folks, if you're interested in more in my perspective on this, I just did an interview with Ginny Thomas, Supreme Court Justice's Clarence Thomas's wife.
It's available on dailycaller.com.
You may want to check that out.
I'll walk you through in 30 minutes the conceptual framework of the war on terrorism as I see it as a political warfare guy.
Joining us now is a special guest, former member of Congress, 2012 candidate for president, the first female GOP candidate to compete in a televised presidential debate, and actually she won the Iowa Straw Poll.
She's now a member of Donald Trump's Executive Advisory Board for Faith and Culture.
She's working to cancel President Obama's fundamental transformation, quote, unquote, of America by electing pro-life Republican who wants to push the pause button on Muslims coming to the U.S. from terror countries, that operational pause we've been talking about.
And can you hear me there, Congressman?
Or Congressman?
Hi, Rich.
Yeah, I can.
Hi, Phil.
This has been a great show today.
Thank you for the awesome job you guys are doing.
Hello, Michelle.
I wanted to address our last caller's question because it touches on an experience that you had vis-a-vis Huma Abedin and other Muslim Brotherhood front groups that you asked about clear back in 2012.
We know that both of her parents were closely allied with global pro-Sharia organizations and that she herself was affiliated with the Muslim Students Association, which is a known front group for the Muslim Brotherhood.
In terms of background, I know that if I was a part of those organizations, I would not have been cleared to get a job at the Department of Homeland Security because of affiliation with possible terrorist group or individuals.
Tell us a little bit about what happened to you back in 2012 when you simply asked the question whether it was due diligence to inquire into that affiliation.
Well, I became the target of a national smear campaign.
It was a classic smear campaign, and it was because we had touched on a raw nerve, and that was Hillary Clinton's, one of her chief aides, which was Huma Abaddon.
And again, I think, Phil, you've started to fill in these details, but it's really quite troubling.
Huma Abaddon's parents, Phil, as you had stated, this is the information that was given to me about Huma Abaddon's associations.
I was told that both of her parents were senior members in the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Sisterhood.
They were writing the largest propaganda magazine out of Saudi Arabia in the world, and it was to advance Sharia law, Islamic law around the world.
Also listed on the masthead was one Huma Abaddon, one of the family members who was an associate editor for that magazine.
So again, realize what this is.
One of the largest pro-propaganda magazines to advance Sharia law across the world.
And while Huma Abaddon was an aide and assistant to Hillary Clinton when she was first lady in the White House, when she was a United States Senator, Huma Abaddon was listed as an associate editor of that magazine.
I was also told that one of the chief financers for this magazine was one Omar Nassif, who was also a financer for Osama bin Laden.
At minimum, I was a member of the House Intelligence Committee.
We conduct oversight over intelligence, which deals with our nation's classified secrets, in particular with terrorism.
It was our duty and obligation to look into these issues and to ask questions.
I wasn't making assertions.
I was asking questions.
My question was whether or not Huma Abaddon had been granted a waiver by Hillary Clinton in order to get security clearances.
Otherwise, it would be impossible for her to get into the kind of position that she got into.
It was against federal law with her types of family relationships to be in that kind of a position.
So when that happened, then I went through the buzz machine that happens in Washington, D.C., and I had everything come down on me.
The bottom line is that I was smeared so strongly, I dropped double digits in the polls in an election year.
That was done by design so that I would lose my election.
As faith had it, I did not lose my election, and I went on to win.
But this is a part of this very dangerous philosophy that both Rich and Phil have been talking about today.
It is called countering violent extremism.
And if we have a couple minutes, I'd like to just give two quick examples of how Hannity listeners are at danger across the country because of this philosophy.
I'll give two examples from my backyard here in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Go ahead.
Okay.
This just happened about a week ago in Minneapolis.
We are an epicenter of jihad here in the United States.
We have the largest Somali community outside of the country of Somalia.
We have the highest number of recruits for the Islamic State coming out of Minnesota.
The first two Americans killed fighting for the Islamic State were both from Minnesota.
We had six Somalis who were just pled guilty earlier this year for trying to leave America and going to join the Islamic State.
Just 10 days ago, we had a group of 20 to 30 Somali men go into a very nice neighborhood in Minneapolis near Lake Calhoun, primarily million-dollar houses.
They'd been going in for three days or so into this neighborhood.
So a woman had just moved into the neighborhood.
She was in the yard.
20 to 30 Somali men were driving their car on the sidewalk on the yard.
They began screaming at the woman.
They wouldn't leave.
They were there for hours.
They talked to the woman about Sharia law.
They said they wanted to marry her.
She was alone at the time.
Then they said they were going to rape her.
They were going to kidnap her.
Now imagine, if you are a woman, you are in your yard, and more men started coming into the yard.
20 to 30 Muslim males were in the yard.
And this woman went into her house.
She called 911.
She called three times.
It took an hour before the police got to her house.
She was obviously distraught, crying, frightened, didn't know what to do.
This wasn't the first time.
This went on for multiple days.
Now, none of this came in the Minneapolis Star Tribune newspaper, our largest newspaper.
None of this was reported.
This is all a part of this countering violent extremism strategy, where the Minneapolis police first priority is to ensure that Muslims feel safe here in the Twin Cities.
And so therefore, the police, in my opinion, pull back and they don't want to do much to intervene because they try to be friends with the Muslim community and then supposedly integrate into the community so they can have good relationships.
Michelle, I'd like to ask you a question about the new DHS guidelines that were just put out last month that encourage or suggest that we do not use words like Sharia law because Muslims might be offended by the use of those terms.
What do you think of that policy?
Well, that is a part of civilization jihad, Phil, as you know.
That's part of the effort to have everyone put blinders on our eyes and say Islam has nothing to do with this, when in fact it's just the opposite.
Islam has everything to do with this.
And that's why with countering violent extremism at the local police level, the police are more interested in making sure that the Muslim community feels safe than making sure that the non-Muslim community is protected.
What do you think would happen to a local police officer if he actually had the wherewithal to address it and actually call the nature of the threat that we're facing and that we're seeing in broad daylight around us?
What would happen to them, do you think?
We know exactly what would happen to him, Phil.
It would be exactly what happened to you and exactly what happened to me.
He'd either be smeared or he would be fired or he would be demoted.
He certainly wouldn't see his career progress.
That's the problem.
And these six Somalis who pled guilty to joining the Islamic State.
I mean, we're talking about serious business now.
We have a federal judge here in Minnesota who is looking at sentencing these Somalis.
And the sentence he is considering is a self-help therapy program.
Now, again, these are individuals who pled guilty to terrorism.
Do you believe that the Constitution is compatible with the Sharia?
Is there any way that the two can abide in the same place?
Absolutely.
It cannot because Sharia seeks the overthrow of the U.S. Constitution because the only law they adhere to is Islamic Sharia law.
You mean America is not immune to the influence of Sharia law?
Well, our Constitution protects us against the establishment of Sharia law in the United States.
Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton agrees with Barack Obama with the countering violent extremism philosophy, which means we subvert the Constitution under advancing the interests of Islam.
I think that Rich is going to carry on another point.
Congressman, I actually want to bring in one of our operators here, Jonathan Gilliam, former Navy CO, former FBI agent.
He has a question he wants to ask.
Hey, Jonathan.
Hey, how are you, Ms. Bachman?
I know a lot of the people that follow me on Twitter, and I'm interested in this as well.
And I'm kind of take you off a little bit about the Sharia stuff.
I want to ask you personally, when you saw what happened yesterday with Comey, and I'm a former FBI agent.
I've had FBI agents calling me with tears in their eyes because they're so distraught of what happened yesterday.
Just off the top, how surprised were you?
And what do you think members of Congress and the Senate, how do they feel?
Well, I think the way we all do, dispirited, despair, and all the rest.
And afterwards, what it caused me to do, I'm a Christian.
I'm a believer in Jesus Christ.
And my thought was this.
We've got 125 days to this election.
If anyone had any doubts before this about voting for Donald Trump, that should all go out the window.
Because when you have an emboldened Hillary Clinton as President of the United States who has gotten away with this, she will be willing to try anything.
And I will tell you what she will do politically, because she will want to ensure a second term.
And so what she will do is she will invoke amnesty, not for 11 million illegal aliens.
That's a phony number.
The number is actually akin to 30 to 40 million.
She is going to change the voting pool so greatly that no Republican will ever again be able to win a national office.
It'll be over.
That's it.
This is our last election.
And so that is what my thought was, that she cannot win this fall.
We have to do everything that we can in the next 125 days.
I know I'm committed to prayer.
I'm committed to fasting.
I'm committing to do everything that I can to help take our country back because this level of corruption can't stand, and we cannot continue to allow the influence of Sharia law to subvert the Constitution in the United States.
Congresswoman, here.
I'm in my own city, and I don't want to see this in our country.
Congresswoman, thank you so much for your insights today.
You know, you have a perspective that's absolutely unique.
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We're about to begin the next, the third hour of our program.
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In the next segment coming up, we're going to get into spiritual warfare.
We're going deep.
How's the enemy see the war?
How's the enemy see the war?
How does the enemy understand the fight?
How do we prepare ourselves at the spiritual level so that we are facing this enemy as the enemy sets the engagement?
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Sean Hannity Radio Show.
This is Rich Higgins, former Department of Defense Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office Program Manager.
I'm joined here in studio by Philip Haney.
He is the author of See Something, Say Nothing, also a victim of the purge that we'll get into here in a few minutes.
I've also got a small fire team of SEALs here joining me, Jonathan T. Gilliam.
You can follow him at Jonathan T. Gilliam on Facebook.
And John Iodonasy, you can follow him at VizSense, V-I-Z-S-E-N-S-E.
And you want to check out their stuff, folks.
These guys have been there, done that.
They've been in the fight for the past 15 years.
Nobody inside this room has ever had an issue with their classified documents.
I can tell you that.
You know, as we look at the fight today, we're going to take a couple callers here in a second.
We have a special guest, too.
You know, we talk a lot about this countering violent extremism thing.
And two things really strike me about that.
Number one is it isn't all about the violence.
It's the folks who are inside the system influencing your political leadership, influencing your generals, your senior executives.
They are making decisions that are subversive, whether they know it or not.
They have a duty to know that.
And we're going to call them out here today.
We're going to start by calling out Speaker Ryan.
Why won't we move this Muslim Brotherhood as a foreign terrorist organization?
Move that bill to the floor of the House.
It's ready to go.
We know it's out of committee.
Bring it forward.
We also know that we absolutely must kill the countering violent extremist bill as it's currently written.
It was written with input from these Muslim Brotherhood front organizations.
Remember this: Al-Qaeda, ISIS, any organization you've heard, they are not going to win the war on terrorism.
The Muslim Brotherhood will be the organization that beats us in the war on terrorism.
We're going to take a quick call right now from Barbara in Baltimore.
Barbara, are you there?
Hey, yes, I am here.
And thank you so much for bringing this to the forefront.
It's been a great show.
I've never heard you before, but I'm just so thankful to you because it's serious.
This is really serious.
You know, and a lot of people are looking at this, and I know, especially liberals, they don't realize that they're almost signing their own death warrant by voting for Hillary Clinton.
Exactly.
They don't realize how deep this thing is.
And I'm very grateful for hearing from Michelle Bachman, haven't heard from her in a while.
I was out in Las Vegas with her campaigning for Sharon Engel two years back.
She's a wonderful patriot, but this is a call to arms.
And I didn't realize that there was a bill coming up about the Muslim Brotherhood.
They're embedded in our system.
Barbara, that's exactly right.
They control our system.
You know, it's amazing about this, Barbara, is you know, if you go back to 622 and you look at how Muhammad actually created Islam when he was run out of Mecca and goes to Medina, he literally co-opted the tribes of Medina and then went back and conquered Mecca.
It's very analogous to what we see happening today, where the Brotherhood has come to the West.
You know, Phil telling us earlier, they've been here since the 1960s, and they've been working inside of our system.
And now they have us.
We removed Gaddafi.
We removed Mubarak.
It was the United States power that was put to work on their behalf in the Middle East.
And we have to ask ourselves, when we're talking about somebody like Huma Abedin, how deep is this?
Where does this go?
Phil?
The other thing to keep in mind is this has been proven in federal court since November of 2008.
The administration cannot plausibly say that they didn't know because the Department of Justice proved irrefutably in federal court in the Holy Land Foundation trial that convicted five individuals of 102 counts of supporting Hamas, that all these groups that we keep referring to, Council on American Islamic Relations, Islamic Society of North America, North America Islamic Trust, the Muslim Society of America,
they're all proven in federal court to be known front groups with affiliations of support of Hamas.
This is deliberate and intentional.
It's on the verge of treasonness to bring individuals and organizations into a close affiliation with the administration, knowing that they have links to terrorism.
That's an incredible point that you're making there, Phil, which is everybody inside that actually works this issue, that does any due diligence on their own, is very familiar with what these groups are, to include the federal courts.
If I had a magic computer and I could set it down in front of Secretary of Homeland Security Jay Johnson or President Obama, it would take me about 15 to 20 seconds to show them what we call derogatory information on all of these affiliated organizations.
So you're saying in 20 seconds you can show these guys what they need to know to make a sound national security decision, but somebody's blocking you from getting that access.
Well, they took it out of the system.
Nonetheless, the stuff that does remain, it wouldn't take me more than 15 or 20 seconds to bring it up.
A few keystrokes.
And there it would be.
Here's the scary part.
And in 21 seconds, I can have rebuttal out to 100 million people through five social networks.
That's the real challenge.
Well, here we go.
The guys, let me walk this up a little bit for a second.
When you start talking about this, John, go ahead.
You want to say something?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, another thing, I'm not just pushing this out because I've filmed this, but people can go to my website, jonathantgillum.com, and you can click on the experts tab.
That's a little video series that I do.
And to go right along with this, I made a video that's about 20 minutes long that lays out a four-stage strategic war plan.
We've talked about it before on this show.
So people can see the reality of how easy it is to make these decisions and the stuff that you're talking about.
Why aren't people in Congress making these decisions and pushing these things forward?
Because I really want to know.
I was going to ask Ms. Bachman this question.
Do they realize that there is massive amounts of conversation going on on Twitter and Facebook and social media by civilians that are saying we may be in that day and age that Thomas Jefferson talked about where we have to remove the government?
Do these people in office realize that?
Right.
Here's the thing that is really shocking to me is that the goal of a jihad is the, you know, it's the destruction of your enemy's faith.
That's ultimately their goal.
Faith in their God, faith in their country, faith in their countrymen.
That is their goal.
And what you see happening right now on the streets of America is that, you know, our government has been the tool that they have put to work, disheartening, breaking the hearts of the American people.
And this is a lead into the next step.
It doesn't make it free where you can say what you want because pretty soon it's going to be illegal for you to say that.
That's the entire intent of the CVE legislation that's moving forward is that it allows an extra legal definition of what a violent extremist is.
You know, DHS, when they put out their first guidelines on who a threat was, who was it?
It was us, veterans.
That was the biggest threat that they named, returning veterans.
So we're the issue.
So, when you get into this, I mean, let me, we have a special caller coming in from Colorado today, and he's known to a couple of us here in the room, and he's a hero of mine because of the PTSD issue and the soldier suicides issue.
And what we're talking about, the destruction of faith, you know, jihad is spiritual warfare, and we see it.
I mean, I'm going to dedicate this segment to a guy who used to work for me.
He took his own life a couple years ago named Mike Tomei to his family.
A shout-out.
We still think of him.
We pray for him.
You know, Paul, are you there?
I am.
Paul, it's so great to talk to you, brother.
And Rich, thanks for having me.
John has a big grin on his face, and the other two guys are going, How do I get this guy's phone number?
It's good to hear.
So, let me give you a quick background here on Paul.
Paul's a retired Chief Master Sergeant, Paul Lavelle.
He is the founder and executive director of Operation Restored Warrior, 26 years on active duty in the United States Air Force.
He's a medic, served through various commands, culminating in service at the United States Air Force Academy, and retired in 2001.
And he's got an interesting story.
And, Paul, I'm going to let you know tell your story here a little bit.
But I really, I really, for the veterans who are listening out there, what in their families?
What can we give them in terms of some sort of some hope?
Well, thank you, Rich, and thank you, Philip, for having me.
There is hope.
There is hope.
You know, one of the biggest assaults on our military veterans is the loss of hope, which culminates into suicide and suicide ideation.
ORW is kind of a glimmer out there, Operation Restored Warrior.
And we've been operating now for about eight years, and we have been working with combat vets from all the services, from E2s all the way up to senior generals.
And we have seen a remarkable outcome of our five-day program.
So, Paul, let me ask you a quick question.
So, the VA right now, you know, they want to bring people in.
They want to hand them a backpack full of drugs and send them on their way, maybe counseling once every couple months.
What do you say to people out there about, you know, what do you do that's different than what the VA is doing?
Well, we do a lot different.
The VA is literally putting a band-aid on an arterial bleed.
They're dealing with issues that are physiologic, psychologic, and the loss of hope is a spiritual issue.
Like I said, these guys that are going to them, they literally get bags of medicine.
Guys come to our program, and they've literally in their backpacks, they've got anywhere between four to twelve prescriptions.
And by the time they leave, they are in a completely different place.
See, they're medicating a spiritual issue, and you cannot medicate a spiritual issue.
Hey, Paul.
I found it to be true.
Paul, just John Idonasy, can you unpack just real?
So, how many people have been through the program, and what's been the success rate of the people going through the program?
So, to date, we've had over 700 warriors go through the program, and we have had a 100% success rate.
And some of these people, without obviously going into names, but what magnitude of injury or what crisis are they dealing with when they arrive at the front door?
Well, it's interesting because I share this with a number of people when they ask about ORW.
On the first evening, when the men come, we have a beautiful ranch that's donated to us by Catherine and Michael Berry, a Four Eagle Ranch up in near Vale, Colorado.
When the guys come in that evening, we sit around the table, and we've got six to eight, eight guys that are actually attending the program, and they're hurting.
And every single program, at least three or four of these guys look at us.
We'll ask them, what do you hope to get out of these five days?
And they'll pause and they'll look at us.
And at least half of these guys have said to us, if this doesn't work, I am done.
Many of them have attempted to take their lives.
I guarantee you, there are listeners out there right now that have had four pounds of pressure on a five-pound trigger.
So, Paul, Paul, here's a quick question for you.
If you're a family member and you're out there listening right now, how do they get in touch with you?
What do they do?
What are the criteria by which somebody gets to the program?
Yeah, thanks, Rich.
Well, they come to our website.
It's operationrestoredwarrior.org.
And just hit the contact us button, and one of our team will be getting back with them.
But what's important to know is that literally I get hundreds of emails from spouses, from mothers, from family members, from friends who are reaching out on behalf of their military veterans, and they want to help.
But the thing is, is that if the military veteran doesn't reach out to us, if they're not looking for that help, then there's not much we can do.
You know, you can't push mud up a hill.
Paul, what's it cost?
Paul, what's it cost?
For the military, it's free.
All they got to do is get there.
So that's right.
So they have to pay their travel out.
Is that what you mean?
That's right.
They pay their travel out.
We found on the front end of this, there were so many organizations out there that were offering free things to our veterans, which is fine.
But we found that they needed to have some skin in the game.
And in that was, okay, well, what do they need to do?
And we felt that if they could just get their airline ticket and get out there, then we'd take care of the rest.
And we do.
So to date, we have never charged one veteran a penny to come out to our program.
Paul, that's amazing.
You know, John and I, John and I can attest, both of us have been through the program.
It is absolutely life-changing.
It explains things that happen in war and things that happen in your life in a way that just nothing else can.
I've seen folks go through that and literally in six days, they absolutely have turned their lives around.
And one of the things I think going forward, Paul, what do you hope is the future for your program?
Well, right now we're in the process of trying to expand the program.
We have a place near Vale, Colorado, as I just mentioned.
We have one, the Knutson Lodge in South Lake Tahoe, which is donated to us.
And we're looking to expand to the East Coast and to get three programs going simultaneously.
And so, but that takes funds.
That takes, obviously, dollars to do.
Well, that's what I wanted the listeners to know.
If you want to help the PTSD issue and you're listening out there today, go to operationrestoredwarrior.org.
Paul gave us insights here today.
I have, you know, one closing thought on this is, you know, as we fight an enemy that sees the battlefield in spiritual terms, then we have to see the battlefield in spiritual terms.
It's a tenet of warfare.
You engage the enemy as the enemy sets the engagement.
Paul, thanks so much for joining us today.
Thank you, Rich.
Thank you, Paul.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
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This is Philip Haney, founding member of the Department of Homeland Security and author of the book, See Something, Save Nothing, with my colleague Rich Hickens, Vice President of Intelligence and National Security Programs.
I'm going to be stepping away from the microphone real soon, but I would like the people in the local area, Long Island, Nassau County, to know that I'm going to be speaking tonight at the VFW Hall in Albertson.
So if you're nearby and want to stop by, please do.
I appreciate everybody for listening.
And to quote Lincoln, let's disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country the last best hope on earth.
Phil, I just got to say thank you for being in here with me today.
I appreciate all you've done.
I've known you for years.
You are a hero of mine.
And good luck with your book.
Thank you very much, everyone, for listening, too.
I appreciate it very much.
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is Rich Higgins, former program manager, Department of Defense, Combating Terrorism Tech Support Office, joined in studio now by Jonathan Gilliam.
You can check him out at Jonathan T. Gilliam on Facebook, on Twitter at j Gilliam underscore SEAL.
And I'm also in studio with John Iodonasy.
Apparently, all Navy SEALs are named John.
John Iodonasy.
He is the CEO of a company called VizSense.
You can follow him at VizSense, V-I-Z-S-E-N-S-E.
If you're looking to hear more about what I think, go to dailycaller.com, check out my interview with Ginny Thomas, walk you through political warfare, walk you through how this enemy understands war and what you can do about it.
So guys, I really want, I want to turn this into a conversation and get at some of the key points I think that we went over today.
You know, the scope of the threat, I think, is overwhelming at first blush.
The sense of the community right now and the confidence of the American people in their government is perhaps at an all-time low.
I mean, I can't imagine.
I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime.
This war is obviously ideological.
It's political.
It's theological.
It's not all about bombs and guns.
But you guys are former operators.
When you face these guys on the battlefield, how ferocious do you have to be to get?
I mean, did these guys surrender easy?
Talk to me.
You go ahead, Nancy.
You know, this is Jonathan Gillum talking.
I never deployed to the Middle East and fought.
I got out in 2002, but I was on the front lines as an air marshal.
I was on the front lines in the FBI and the war on terror in New York and doing threat assessments all over the country.
And the one thing that I have, and you're going to speak to this from the battlefield, is that you cannot think that this enemy is somebody who just sits back, is uneducated, and doesn't know what.
They're just as sophisticated as the Russian intelligence during the Cold War.
They're just as intelligent as any of these other groups that have carried out covert that you watch on the Born Identity movies.
These people have intelligence.
They have intelligence networks.
They have master's degrees and doctor's degrees.
And they're dedicated and not afraid to die.
That is a dangerous enemy.
Yeah, and they're cunning in a way that they don't regard the traditional construct of the 1947 National Security Act.
They don't care about Geneva conventions.
Everything to them is what I can get my hands on, I'm going to exploit towards my end state.
So this is what Donald Trump is talking about when he says you have to engage the enemy as the enemy sets the engagement.
Do you agree with him?
Yeah, I do.
And here's why.
I'm in a hospital and I'm getting RPG'd from across the street.
Actually, let me back out.
So somebody's shooting at you from across the street.
And they're in a hospital.
So I can't shoot back because they know we can't shoot at a hospital per the Geneva Convention.
Amazing.
But not per their rules of war, which they don't follow.
Well, what's amazing to me is, you know, if you go back and you look at the statements, I'm particularly reminded of a series of statements made by a guy named Fadel, one of those senior clerics out of Saudi Arabia.
And he was writing to Bin Laden, telling him, you know, what good is it if you kill one of them and they kill 100 of you?
What good is it if you knock one of their buildings down and they knock down one of your countries?
Because it is illegal in Islamic law to start a jihad that you can't win.
And what the American people need to know is that the Farah, we are wasting an opportunity right now.
When ISIS took and held ground, when they had cities, when they had strategic targets, that was a critical opportunity that we missed.
Because they massed and they were there.
Exactly.
They were susceptible to U.S. firepower at that point at scale where we could have demonstrated to the world that you will not do this, this barbaric treatment of women and children.
It's incomprehensible.
Throwing gays off buildings.
What do you think?
Listen, you cannot fight an enemy like this.
You can fight them with your own rules and your own warfare, but you can't fight them with a tactical mindset.
You have to have a strategic plan.
How do you get that, John, though, when the Muslim Brotherhood's cultural advisors are sitting and talking to your commanding officer?
They're talking to your politicians.
They're sitting in the White House.
What do you do?
Okay, so the plan that is strategic war plan that I was talking about that's on my website, jonathantgillum.com, click on the experts and you'll see it on there, episode one.
It's four stages, but I'm going to add a stage today, the fifth stage, which is really the first stage, kind of like Buds with fourth face.
So what we're going to do is get rid of our government and start over.
I know that's a pretty controversial thing for me to say, but the reality is our government has failed.
Comey proved it yesterday.
Can the ballot box be that, John?
Can it be?
No.
I think it's more serious than that.
No, because we need the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupted.
They're full of people that do not have the interest of this government or this country at heart, and they are not subject matter experts, and they refuse to use them because they're not.
So there is no Republican Party right now.
Is that what you're saying?
It's a company called the Republican Party.
How about Donald Trump?
Where is he in your spectrum?
Donald Trump is outside of the Republican Party, even though he's running as a Republican.
The truth is you can't get elected unless it costs a billion dollars to run an election campaign.
So he has to be a part of one of the two parties.
He chose the Republican Party because he's conservative.
I don't care what anybody says.
He's conservative.
So right now, Congress has moving through it this countering violent extremist bill.
I don't know who wrote this thing.
I think it was written by Karadawi, the senior cleric of the Muslim Brotherhood.
It's just unbelievable when you look at it.
As we sit here and we discuss this, the listener out there needs to understand they need to make the call to their congressman, to their senator, and shut the CVE bill down now.
This is going to put the three guys you're listening to on the radio right now.
You mark my words.
In five years, we will be the violent extremists.
Well, we kind of already are in a lot of ways.
I mean, we're considered that in a lot of ways.
But, you know, here's the thing.
You keep saying, which I agree with, that you need to contact your congressman.
But here's basically what needs to happen.
People need to come together.
And what we're doing on the radio, they need to do out there.
Have dialogue.
Insist that this stops.
And if it doesn't, then you step in as a group of people.
Yeah, there's been a lot of discussion.
And, you know, my friend Otto Pernal just sent me an email reminding me of it.
Look, at the end of the day, we forget that this country had letters of marquee.
We forget that in the late 1700s, in order to take out this pirate menace, you had to, under a letter of mark, authorized by our sovereign nation, act on behalf of the government because the threat was too great.
We need, my personal opinion, there needs to be a created entity like a digital OSS that is purposely built.
Talk that back, John.
Digital OSS.
OSS, what?
What's that?
Yeah.
Okay.
So 41.
1941.
1941.
We have the looming German threat on the horizon.
And the government realizes, the U.S. government realizes, we're not built, like we get the tanks and the bombs and the airplanes, but there's something called a Nazi fifth column that started in 33, kind of like the Muslim Brotherhood, was able to ideologically.
By the way, allied with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Okay.
Allied with the Muslim Brotherhood and built an entire legion of ideology that was transported globally.
We saw this as a government.
We said, we need to purpose-build something.
And guess what?
It's not just the guys that I'm going to get out of Harvard or the guys from the Naval Academy that I'm going to bring in.
The OSS recruited interdisciplinary talent across male, female, racial divides, linguists, foreign assets.
It was a combination of an interdisciplinary team, and that's why it was so effective.
Did they make sure, though, that they were politically correct and fell upon a political party's mindset?
Because that's what the CIA does.
That's what the FBI does.
That's what local law enforcement does.
And, you know, getting back real quick to these strategic plans, you know, you have to stop the land grab that they're doing.
There's a land movement, but you also have to come back and secure our own country and then go online and defeat them because that's where they're beating us.
And no enemy has ever, we've never fought a war online.
That's what we're doing.
That's right.
And the war is not so much, you know, bringing pro like virus activity.
So the information age has made the fight that much more difficult, that much more dangerous.
Is that your conclusion?
It has.
And with the advent of the dark web.
Are we using it for our side, though?
Here's the question: can we operationalize it to fulfill our objectives?
Have we done that?
We can operationalize it, but we haven't done it.
And I'll tell you, the way institutional complacency, the inability for the government to imagine new things outside the box.
Instead of the, this is how I've done it, son, like people used to tell me, how about, you know what, guys?
I need somebody who's 20 years younger than me to come in and help me think this out.
The greatest compliment I ever, and I'm writing a book, this is the greatest compliment I ever got.
I'm going to put this in there, was from a senior FBI agent that was ticked off because I did something.
And he pulls the car over.
He says, you know what your problem is, Gillam?
You think outside 90% of what you do is outside the box.
This is the FBI.
90% of what we do is inside the box.
And there's the problem because if you stay in the box, you're going to get slaughtered like a bunch of hogs.
And, you know, it reminds me, 2008, I'm at another government agency.
The walls are 20 feet thick.
It's the most secure compound in the world.
And the senior person who was way more advanced than me, had 20 years in the building, said, John, the internet has nothing to do with this terrorist war at the time.
End quote.
I got kicked out of the building.
They told me Facebook was for kids.
YouTube was something that their daughters watched and had nothing to do with the war.
Yeah, kids that have been raised in a war zone over 15 years and are now fighting exactly right.
Those kids grew up in a war zone and as millennials.
That's right.
They started studying the Tarbia guide at six years old.
They're the only millennials that actually get up and do anything.
Unfortunately, they're our enemy.
Oh, man.
Hey, for any millennials out there, you just go to JonathanT. Gilliam and Facebook.com.
You let them know what you think about that.
But hey, real quick, guys, let's walk it back to this countering violent extremism thing because it's really on my mind right now.
You know, looking at what happened yesterday, the lack of transparency, the lawlessness that we saw.
We're fighting these barbarians who are.
You're talking about Clinton and Billy.
Right, right.
And these lawless barbarians, you know, the lawlessness is enabling these barbarians who are inside the wire.
And I think one of the things I want to do is I want to walk people out.
So this countering violent extremist legislation package, actually, if you look under the hood on it, it ties back to international legal actions that are being put forward by countries like Saudi Arabia.
Now, we've seen on TV, right?
What is the role Saudi Arabia plays and Qatar and these other countries in fueling what's happening here inside the United States?
I mean, what they're fueling is the movement of Sharia law.
But they're doing it covertly because they make it look like they're a modern nation, but they're not.
Listen, wherever Sharia, and that's what you guys were talking about earlier, wherever Sharia exists, so does fundamental Islam.
Wherever fundamental Islam exists, so do the jihadists, which means it's everywhere Islam is.
So when you look at this, in Saudi Arabia, you birthed something called the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, and they put forward with Secretary of State Clinton and the government of Egypt a United Nations Resolution 1618 that would make this discussion right now that we're having about Islam illegal at the international level.
And when it was brought forward by then Secretary of State Clinton, she said she didn't think she could get this past our First Amendment, but that she would use, and I quote her, old-fashioned tactics of peer pressure and shaming of Americans for speaking the truth and discussing reality.
A seated Secretary of State saying something like that.
How does that make you feel, John?
Awful.
As a service member, as a veteran, as an American, I've got people that are no longer with us, six feet under, and we're having these conversations.
Why don't you explain to them, do you think they want to hear about your ideological norms and the rationale for not being charted as some sort of hate rhetoric?
I mean, when their buddy's arm just got blown off and they're trying to do a tourniquet and they come home?
So the veterans are there, and the guys, let's not forget, the guys who are downrange right now, listening to this radio show.
The guys who are downrange right now, just hoping that op goes off.
Yeah, but you know what?
Here's the great thing about what's happening with our government right now.
It's so jacked up that those soldiers that are downrange, the guys that are here in this men and women here in this country are serving, now you can truly say, I am doing this for the Constitution of the United States.
Forget about what Hillary Clinton and the rest of those people say.
Put on your freaking, you know, put on your body armor and say, I don't care what you think.
I really believe that the veteran, the veteran group and the veteran collective is really the last hope to keep what America means.
Yeah.
Guys, awesome conversation.
I feel like I'm back in one of the team rooms.
I miss those days.
If you're EOD, you're off to the side.
Hey, we didn't go.
No, no, no.
I used to tell people we didn't go there if we weren't driving.
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Folks, welcome back.
This is Rich Higgins, former program manager at the Department of Defense Combating Terrorism Tech Support Office at Regular Warfare.
And we've had just an unbelievable slew of guests here today, an unbelievable time hosting for the first time.
I'm here in New York.
He's a Boston guy that's always a little bit of a love-hate thing there.
And Linda's smiling at me behind the glass.
She's got a ferocious New York accent, but she's got a great smile.
You end her with a why, by the way.
Exactly.
So, you know, I don't want to end on too serious a note, but I do, right?
So main point today, the subversion of the Muslim Brotherhood is what brought us to where we are today.
Speaker Ryan, get that Muslim Brotherhood bill to the floor in the House, please.
This is about political warfare.
Don't focus on the kinetic attacks, people.
Don't focus on the body count.
You know, they want to kill all Americans.
It's the political, legal, informational side of the war.
The first guy that died in this, the first guy that died in this war was a CIA asset by the name of Mikey Spann.
He died in November of 2001 at Mazari Sharif.
And on his desk, he used to have a sign that said, it's from the Bible.
He that walketh with wise men shall be wise, but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
And I'd like to thank the guys who've been here with me today because they are the wise men.
They've been there.
They've done that.
They've seen this enemy.
John, thank you.
John, thank you.
Thanks.
All Navy SEALs are now named John.
You know what?
Can I say one thing real quick?
People that are in militias and all these different groups that are really angry, you guys need to start meeting and you need to start having dialogue to do things the right way.
You can do it by force and numbers.
Folks, my summary statement will be, you shall knoweth the truth and the truth shall make you free.
That's on the left side when you walk into CIA headquarters.
