An unplanned, emergency mini-sequel to our discussion of Tim Pool just a couple of days ago. Reality, displaying its customary poor timing, waited until just after we dropped our Tim Pool episode to reveal the story of the Wolverine Watchmen, a group of militia types arrested for planning the abduction and 'trial' (i.e. murder, presumably) of Michigan Governer Gretchen Whitmer. At least one of the conspirators seems to have been part of Tim's audience; Tim has been demonizing Whitmer as a dangerous tyrant for ages; and Tim himself reacted to the story in ways that combine the hilarious, disgusting, and accidentally instructive. And so here we are. Content Warnings. Contains Tim Pool. Links / Notes: Episode 67: Tim Pool https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/66-tim-pool New York Times, "F.B.I. Says Michigan Anti-Government Group Plotted to Kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-militia.html Continuation of Criminal Complaint regarding kidnapping plot of Gretchen Whitmer: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.miwd.99213/gov.uscourts.miwd.99213.1.1_1.pdf Emily Lawler, MLive, "Accused Michigan terrorists found natural home among anti-Whitmer sentiment promoted by far right" https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/10/accused-michigan-terrorists-found-natural-home-among-anti-whitmer-sentiment-promoted-by-far-right.html Samuel J. Robinson, MLive, "Man accused in Whitmer kidnapping plot defended Confederate statue at June protest" https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2020/10/man-accused-in-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-defended-confederate-statue-at-june-protest.html John Agar, MLive, "Grand Rapids man, alleged leader of plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer, had to be ‘insane,’ boss says" https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2020/10/grand-rapids-man-alleged-leader-of-plot-to-kidnap-gov-whitmer-had-to-be-insane-boss-says.html Chad Livengood Twitter thread showing members of assassination plot at Re-open rally in June. https://twitter.com/ChadLivengood/status/1314332374759542784 Josh Russell Twitter thread collecting social media posts from assassination plot members. https://twitter.com/josh_emerson/status/1314234661820825609 Timbahontoast Twitter thread collected very non-leftist views of assasination plot members. https://twitter.com/timbahontoast/status/1314496845717143553 David Covucci and Mikael Thalen, The Daily Dot, "Pro-Kyle Rittenhouse coronavirus denier arrested in plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer" https://www.dailydot.com/debug/brandon-caserta-facebook-michigan-governor-kidnap/ Ali Breland, Mother Jones, "Men Who Allegedly Plotted to Kidnap Michigan’s Governor Celebrated Violent Far-Right Extremism" https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/men-who-allegedly-plotted-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-celebrated-violent-far-right-extremism/ The video Jack talks about: https://youtu.be/dSxyBqA8J8o Daily Kos article on Wolverine Watchmen and Trump’s rhetoric / domestic terror policies: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/8/1984983/-Trump-s-domestic-terror-policies-rhetoric-gave-flight-to-Michigan-militiamen-s-murderous-plot
I'm Jack Graham, he him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel he him, and in this podcast I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he him, about what he learned from years of listening to today's Nazis, white nationalists, white supremacists, and what they say to each white nationalists, white supremacists, and
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
And welcome back very soon after the last episode to episode 6.
It's kind of an emergency extra one that we weren't planning to do.
As you know, we were planning to, the next one was going to be the big Cantwell News episode with a special guest.
That secret's kind of out.
But hopefully that's still going ahead.
But that'll now be 68, and this one is 67.
And this is kind of an update, as I say, sort of an emergency news-related update to our last episode, which was about the ever-popular Timothy X. Poole, which very well-received, I think, which is nice.
Yeah, people seem to... I think we got some new listeners, certainly the IDS G pod.
Twitter has been getting a lot of new followers, which is usually a sign that people are listening who wouldn't normally listen.
Yeah, and the numbers have been very good, and we've had some nice feedback, which is excellent.
It's always nice.
But reality displayed some seriously bad timing.
Yes, indeed.
A big news story.
Bad for the world, but good for those of us documenting the terrible things in the world.
So ultimately, who's to say whether it was good or bad?
Well, exactly.
It's value neutral, isn't it?
No.
As you probably know, listener, a news story hit, I think it was the day we released the last episode, or the day after, about the arrest of several men calling themselves the Wolverine Watchmen, which is Wolverine Watchmen, which is almost impossible to Google because you just end up with comic book references.
Even Wolverine Watchmen Michigan only really brings up a handful of references.
More so now than when I first started it, right after the thing was announced.
But yeah, fun times.
Yeah, the wonderfully Marvel comics named Wolverine, Watchmen... It's not really funny, is it?
This band of kind of...
Far right.
Well, it's a militia.
Far right anti-government people who apparently were planning to kidnap and possibly murder Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Yes.
And that story, I don't know.
It turns out when you really, really need to go to the gym.
The answer is murdering the governor of your state.
Clearly, that's the only option.
Yeah.
Because that was like the stated motive for like, this guy with the last name Fox, I believe, who was the kind of the ringleader of this plan.
It was a little like he grew increasingly frustrated over his inability to go to the gym.
And from that hatched the plot to kidnap and presumably murder.
They always say kidnap and put on trial for treason, which is you're going to murder her and put her in a ditch or hang her for a treat.
That was the plan.
Yeah.
Let's not mince words about this.
And we should say this is all alleged.
These are simply arrests, and obviously we do not trust the FBI completely, et cetera, et cetera.
But the details in these charging documents are pretty fucking damning.
Yeah, as you say, it's sub judice at the moment.
It's looking pretty bad.
I don't know how much you want to go into that story, qua story, but there's going to be stuff in the show notes if you want some... Yeah, I put a ton of stuff in the show notes.
There was a plot by these guys, at least some of the people who were in this.
A militia called the Wolverine Watchmen.
Wolverine Watchmen.
It's just a terrible name.
It's just like, whatever.
Although it probably does appeal to Tim, doesn't it?
With his liking for the Marvelverse.
Yeah, he didn't reference it in either of the videos.
We'll get there.
We'll get there in a second.
Yeah, so this event happened, and kind of my immediate thought, because we had just done the Tim Pool episode.
Was, oh, how is Tim Pool going to spend this as a way of making the Democrats look bad?
And I got my answer!
I got my answer!
And it turned out I had fairly accurately predicted it, because my prediction was, well, he's going to say this is all like this, while I deplore the actions of these people, it's just a natural reaction of the draconian Work done by Whitmer to act as a tyrant in these coronavirus lockdowns in the state of Michigan, et cetera, et cetera.
And that was Tim Pool's immediate response, right?
Because it turned out, and I found out this morning because I missed this yesterday when I was, but he did on his main feature channel, do like one of the 25 minute videos that he does about the kind of the big news story of the day.
And he did kind of cover that.
Now he had pre-recorded that apparently.
And then After recording that, found this Twitter post by some right-wing libertarian shithead, I forget who it was, but there's a Twitter post with one of the guys, one of these men, who was arrested by the FBI, sitting in front of an anarchist flag and saying terrible things about cops.
And therefore, all of these people are left-wingers.
And we're going to play some audio to that effect from Temple.
And so he completely did a 180, because originally, the original video, the thing was, and I don't have any clips from that one, believe me, it's It's wild.
It's really wild.
But the original aim of his was, well, yeah, so these are a bunch of right-wingers, etc.
But I'm not really worried about them because, look, the Feds get them very easily.
The Feds just seem to be unable to get anti-fascists because anti-fascists are out there burning down cities all the time.
And they never inform on each other.
This is clearly a problem for Antifa.
Like, Antifa are the real dangerous ones.
They're just too good at this.
Gee.
Literally, literally the right-wingers, because the right-wingers get arrested and the left-wingers don't.
Okay, first of all, left-wingers do get arrested.
I know many, many people who have been arrested for significantly lower crimes than what these men have been.
Like the Charlottesville activist Christopher Goad was literally arrested and spent a night in jail and has charges pressed against him for blocking a path while he was at a protest Completely peacefully, was doing nothing to anyone, was literally just standing there, and the cops came and arrested him.
And that's only one of many, many, many examples of that.
Yeah, no, it's brilliant, isn't it?
We know that Antifa are the real threat, because there's loads of evidence about right-wing terrorism.
That's how we know.
It's almost as if he's a fucking casuist and propagandist or something, isn't it?
Yeah, it's almost as if he's just lying.
Yeah, it's almost as if he's completely full of shit.
Yeah, almost, almost.
But I certainly wouldn't have any evidence to that effect that I'm going to play for you here shortly.
We are trying to kind of get in and out of this one pretty quickly, because this is just kind of a follow-up to the previous episode.
Yeah, this is a full episode.
It's got its own number, but it is very much a minisode.
It's got its own number, but we are trying to kind of... We prepped this in about... I prepped this in about an hour and a half.
Just to let you know, normally I spend like a week prepping for these, and this was like, I've got a bunch of documents, I've got some articles, I'm going to throw them up there, you can read them, and I'll keep following this story, but we did want to get this out kind of immediately while the iron was hot on this one.
I'm not really going to go into the details of the actual plot, except that, you know, we have talked in the past about sort of like FBI plots, or FBI kind of nabbing some of these guys and getting them on like,
Shrug cash spurious drug charges or gun charges they get them on stuff that not really like hey I'm doing Nazi terrorism online and like they don't get them for that they get them for you know you're illegally carrying a weapon across state lines and that sort of thing which I'm not saying we shouldn't get them but I'm saying like let's actually get them for the things that they're doing and not give them reasons to make martyrs of themselves.
Would be nice.
That said, and there have been many many cases, and I can say this of, you know, I abhor all these right-wing dickheads and their racist fucking bullshit.
I spend much of my life working on this.
The FBI absolutely does entrap some of these guys, and it's very clear that, you know, oh, they kind of show up with a bomb, with a plot, and the second they kind of sign on the dotted line, they send them off to federal prison.
So this is not one of those situations.
This was reading between the lines a bit.
A bunch of these militia dipshits start actively plotting a kidnapping slash assassination attempt pretty much openly in like Facebook groups.
Facebook.
Yeah, yeah.
It was on Facebook.
Yeah.
Just parenthetically, I'm glad we're clarifying this, because I've seen takes going around like it's all an FBI sting.
The FBI created the plot and tricked them into doing it.
So I'm glad that we're clear on this one.
This is good.
Yeah, I don't think... I mean, you know, there's always... I mean, obviously, how far can you trust the cops, right?
I mean, let's not... Especially the feds.
But this seems to have been a pretty legitimate thing.
Even if half of the stuff that's in this charging document is true.
And I put a link in the show notes, you can read it for free if you want to go read it for yourself.
It is very entertaining reading, believe it or not.
There's a lot of great stuff in it, and I'm gonna pull up one detail here just to give you a taste of what this is.
But apparently they were sitting around and plotting this kind of on Facebook Live, and they started meeting In the basement of this guy's, one of these guys, this guy with the last name Fox.
He had, he was, he didn't own the business, but he worked at a business in Grand Rapids.
It was revealed this morning that it was a vacuum, it was a vacuum shop.
It was a vac shack.
They plotted the assassination of the sitting governor of the state of Michigan from the basement of a vac shack.
And one of the details in the charging document is that There was a trap door that they were going down through a trap door into the basement I saw an interview I put an interview I put this in the show notes you can go read it for yourself With the owner of the vac shack who's like a I knew this guy was in a militia But I didn't know he was like fucking nuts Never mind
Well, we are talking about Grand Rapids here.
I'm not a lifelong Michigander, but I've been here for a long time.
Very little surprises me anymore.
Let's just leave it at that, right?
I knew he was a crazy militia type.
I mean, I'm a crazy militia type, but, like, not that crazy, you know?
But he did clarify that, like, no, there are doors that go into the basement.
There are two doors that go into the basement, but none of them are trap doors.
And so that was a detail that kind of leaked out, and people were like, why does it have a trap door?
But the funniest bit, in my opinion, and they got fairly far along in this plot.
They were originally going to try to get Whitmer at the governor's mansion, and then when they realized security was going to be too rough there, they decided to get her at her vacation home over on the other side of the state, over on the west side of the state, and they were staking it out.
They had spent several sessions kind of sitting there and trying to follow her movements.
I mean, This was a plan.
They had a legitimate plan.
It was a stupid plan, but they were trying to make IEDs, improvised explosive devices, using what are effectively like fireworks and water balloons.
And BB pellets for shrapnel.
I think the plan, as I understand it, was to ignite a device far, you know, kind of across town from Whitmer's place, and then while all the cops were dealing with that, they were gonna nab her.
Like, that was actually the plot.
Yeah.
But I did want to read this little bit, which gives you a sense of the...
of the hint.
This is, you know, bullet point 18.
I don't know anything about the governor of the state of Michigan's personal security, but I somehow I sense holes in this plan.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
Well, it's like, no, we'll get her either when she's like, you know, kind of coming in or leaving.
We'll get her, you know, like, like we'll just nab her unawares, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But this is a bullet point 18 or section 18.
It's and this is I read it in full.
On July 27th, 2020, Fox asked in an encrypted group chat, which included Garben, Harris, Franks, and CHS2.
That's one of the informants.
Okay, well how does everyone feel about kidnapping?
No one responded to the question.
Shifting sideways glances.
Everybody tries to gauge the mood in the room.
So anyway, so I think we'll kind of keep covering the details of this plot as we kind of move forward and as kind of things come out.
I have a feeling there's going to be more story here and it's going to be quite funny.
So I think it is worth keeping our eyes on this.
It seems to be a really big story, like the entirety of the MLive page, which is sort of the statewide.
It's kind of the aggregator for all the – basically all the newspapers just feed into MLive.
They're all owned by the same company at this point in the state because that's how journalism works now.
I am a subscriber.
I do pay a few dollars a month for my MLive subscription to support local journalists.
But yeah, that's just kind of the reality of it.
Daniel, if you want to support journalism, you really ought to be giving money to Tim Poole.
Tim Poole and Steven Crowder.
I gotta join the Mug Club.
That's what he always says.
Subscribe to this channel if you want to support journalism.
I support Tim Poole's journalism by talking about him.
That's the, you will get more clicks that way than, you know, anyway.
So, yeah, there's a ton of stuff kind of going around.
So this will be will be a big story.
But a the story itself is interesting.
And we've talked a bit about the kind of Michigan lockdowns, and the Coronavirus and the kind of right wing response to that in previous episodes about kind of the Boogaloo stuff.
I forget exactly which ones but we talked about in particular, a rally in early June.
In Lansing, in which armed men, armed militiamen stormed the State Capitol building.
Yep, yep.
And it turns out two of the people who were arrested over the weekend, and keep in mind there were six who were arrested directly in relation to this plot, and then there are seven more who seem to have been connected in some ancillary way, who were in charges of material support or whatever.
So it's unclear exactly who's being charged with what at this point, but two of the men who were arrested.
We're visible in a single photograph taken by a state senator in the Michigan Capitol building that day.
Several more have been identified at previous protests of that kind, including at a protest against the removal or the defacement of Confederate monuments.
Yeah.
I think one of them was actually interviewed, wasn't he?
Yes, he was interviewed at one of the events, and so there is kind of a video out there, and I believe I've got that in the show notes, so you can go check that out, but it's all over the place right now.
So, I put Twitter threads, which indicate what these meant.
What happened was the social media profiles of all these guys got kind of scrubbed pretty quickly.
Everything got taken down either by Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, or by people connected to the men themselves.
Usually once an event like this happens, all the stuff gets wiped immediately.
And my problem with having a day job is that I have to be at that day job when these things happen, and not able to archive it myself.
No, it's just the unfortunate thing of having to feed myself, as you can understand.
So I did manage to get a little bit of it, and there are other people who managed to kind of grab it, and several of these guys were straight-up MAGA, Keep America Great guys.
heavily into Turning Points USA.
There was one photograph of someone who was claimed to be one of these guys standing two inches from Charlie Kirk.
That appears to have been another guy and another well-known Trump-supporting guy who has raised money for the Trump re-election stuff and Trump rallies in Idaho.
But it seems to be a completely separate guy who just looked similar.
And that one got tweeted out all over the place by a Washington Post reporter, but that does seem to be that that was debunked.
I kind of found that out as I was sitting down to prep this episode.
So details are loose and fuzzy at this point.
So just be aware that we are kind of doing what we normally don't do and talking about a rapidly developing story.
But everything that I'm saying now is accurate to as best as I can understand it with the information I have in front of me right now.
Yeah, so I put a couple of Twitter threads and some articles discussing the various individuals and kind of what we know about their online presence so far.
These are almost universally very traditional militia right-wing types.
Except for this one guy, Brandon Caserta.
And Brandon Caserta, now A, As of August 28th, there is a photo, there's a meme that he posted, a Kyle Rittenhouse, who's the Kenosha Kid, the Kenosha Killers.
Yeah.
There's a meme.
And let me pull this up, just so we can make sure that I have this.
I'm not misquoting this.
Is that when you've just smoked some commies or something?
Yes.
I want to make sure I've got this very, very clear here.
So this meme was posted on August 28th.
He has the comment, savage, and it's a memed photograph of Kyle Rittenhouse with like a smiling crying emoji for a face.
And the caption is, or the kind of the meme caption is, when you've smoked three commies before you can legally smoke cigarettes.
And so I think this is pretty good evidence that despite the fact that he was recorded, that he has done Facebook and YouTube live streams with an anarchist flag behind him, and he didn't like cops, this is not a lefty.
This is not in any sense a leftist person.
Christopher Cantwell currently has, for the A in Radical Agenda, or for the A in Radical in Radical Agenda, in his logo is an anarchist symbol.
Yeah.
And frustratingly to everyone who follows this material, I think, anarchist and not, anarcho-capitalists have been calling themselves anarchists.
And it seemed to be not a thing when I was kind of more in that ancap space back in the 90s, but they've definitely kind of leaned into that a lot more now.
And it's entirely frustrating for everyone, except for the people who get to pretend that they're something they're not, I suppose.
People like Laura Ingram, who's been pretending on Fox News that basically they're all left-wingers and Antifa, on the basis of this very, very crude misrepresentation.
Right, right.
Because he didn't like cops, and he had some anarchist symbols around.
Therefore, it's like, well, let's just start playing our clips here, and we'll kind of talk through these and kind of get in and out of this one.
But I think it's worth noting just how Tim Poole opened his main video, the Timcast IRL video from last night as we're recording this.
We're recording this on the 10th of October, so this is from the 9th of October.
And I'm literally going to play you the beginning, the first minute or so of this episode at 1.5 speed.
All right, so here's the intro.
In one of the weirdest stories I think I've ever heard, but kind of not unexpected, a group of 13 men have, well, I shouldn't say 13 men, there are seven guys and six guys each have been arrested.
Seven guys on state charges.
They were targeting cops.
They went to like storm the state capitol building Then you had 6 guys who apparently wanted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer because they view her as a tyrannical...
B. We don't swear on this show, so sorry, figure that one out.
Female dog, we'll call it that.
And they felt that her COVID lockdown orders were unconstitutional, and thus they were going to take action.
Unfortunately for them, they reached out to some militias.
Turns out we're infiltrated by the FBI, and the informants immediately ratted on them, and they've been arrested.
The interesting thing is that partisan media is calling these guys right-wing.
We have video of some of these guys, or at least one of these guys.
They're not right-wing at all.
They're anarchists.
So I don't even know what right-wing means.
At this point, everyone's like, left-wing violence and right-wing violence.
Look, if they're gonna claim that anti-government, anti-police people and anarchists are right-wing, are they saying that Antifa is right-wing?
Like, what's the difference at that point?
I don't know.
Whatever.
We're going to talk about this.
We're also going to talk about what happened with the debate because we have lots of opinions because we have some people hanging out.
Of course, Ian Crossland is chilling.
Hello, everyone.
That's Ian.
Sour Patch Lids is producing and doing all that stuff.
And Cassandra Fairbanks is hanging out.
She's always here now.
Fucking little liar.
I don't know.
Have you got the clip that you shared with me before lined up?
Which one?
The one that you, you, immediately after we posted the last episode, you sent me a link to a YouTube video.
It's the one where he talks about Whitmer's, you know, the High Court ruling and she's ignoring it.
And he talks about how, oh, this is a red flag, this is a red flag, this is unconstitutional.
And then he, there's a bit where he actually says, um, you know, oh, you might be saying it's a good thing if she's enforcing these COVID regulations.
And he says, take your authoritarian fascism somewhere else.
I can find that one again.
I tried to find briefer bits that kind of demonstrated the same thing for this.
But yeah, we'll get to a similar bit here in a second.
But I'd like to highlight very quickly that Cassandra Fairbanks is on this episode, which is always a good time when you're hanging out with literal fascists talking about this shit.
And I'm like, oh, what does right-wing even mean?
They go in this long diatribe about right-wing and whether the left is very identifiable because they kind of define themselves that way and people tend to agree what left-wing means, which isn't really true.
And also they all kind of agree, which definitely isn't true.
But then the right, man, like, the right is just, like, who counts as right?
Like, we can't even have this conversation, because right-wing, like, is right-wing laissez-faire, or is right-wing, like, because, like, the alt-right, you know, Richard Spencer, he was, like, all for, like, you know, universal, universal healthcare.
That's clearly not, he's clearly not right-wing.
What does right-wing even mean?
Yeah, clearly, words, they have no meaning, there's no, there's no context here, and then they have a long conversation.
These three right wingers, about like how, four right wingers really, I don't know if his, I wouldn't, I don't get enough from his producer to really know, you know, exactly how they, whether she would consider herself right wing or whatever, but she's working for Tim Poole.
She probably wouldn't be there doing it, would she?
No, I just don't want to cast aspersions there.
They also had numerous technical problems with this one, so if you do want to watch the whole thing, you really should just listen to the podcast, because the podcast has the full thing, but the video version actually has several points where it clips out.
long sequences of a few minutes.
And they just kind of like bullshit through it.
So yeah, if you do want to listen to the whole thing, check out the podcast version, the audio version.
But what I want to do at this point is I want to just kind of, we're skipping a few minutes of this audio here.
And then I'm just going to kind of go right into like the next clip in which they talk about this guy, Brandon Caserta, who apparently was an anarchist and how you define these things.
And it's sort of a follow up to the previous clip and we can discuss them together for whatever, whatever we want to do with that.
But immediately you're seeing all of these like lefty personalities saying like right wing militias.
Dude's not right-wing.
Look at this.
Here's the guy.
I mean, he's got huge gauges in his ears, which is not really indicative of anything, but I will say it's not necessarily, like, a right-wing thing.
You know, right-wingers tend to be, like, stodgy suit-wearing, you know.
Or rednecks.
Yeah, I guess, I guess, you know, you could see right-wing gauges and stuff.
I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to discriminate against people with gauged ears or anything like that.
But he's got a big anarchy flag behind him.
Or a big anarchy, yeah, it's a flag.
Well, I think that a lot of the media is being very simplistic about politics in general.
I think that politics are a spectrum.
It's not just Republicans and Democrats.
up Governor Whitmer.
He has an anarchist flag behind him in a YouTube video trashes police.
He's not a Republican.
He's an anarchist.
What's the difference between him and Antifa if he's anti-cop?
I think that a lot of the media is being very simplistic about politics in general.
I think that politics are a spectrum.
It's not just Republicans and Democrats.
I think this guy's probably an anarcho-capitalist, which is like a right-leaning...
What does that mean, right?
Well, I don't know.
That's the problem.
They're still pro-capitalism.
This dude's Antifa, as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, I get it, he's not literally Antifa.
Like, he's not flying an anti-fascist action flag or anything like that.
But what I mean to say is, if you take a dude who's wearing all black and says, F the police and F the government, and then you put him next to an Antifa guy, they're both going to yell the same thing at the same time.
Right.
So I get it, but it's like, I understand he could be anarcho-capitalist.
You know, because we saw with a lot of these protests where Black Lives Matter came out, the Boogaloo boys were like, we agree with you, we're on your side.
Like, the government is bad and it's broken.
They're like, alright, we agree.
What's the difference?
One of them has an American flag It's like how CopBlock used to be.
Remember they were run by like all those libertarians up in New Hampshire who were like anti-cop but also pro-capitalism and I don't know.
Yeah, and caps.
Yeah.
I guess we're just anarchists.
They're certainly not Trump supporters.
Right.
Jesus Christ, when Cassandra Fairbanks is the one trying to explain to you and she's the one making sense.
Cassandra Fairbanks is the voice of reason and she can tell from the way that he's like clearly this isn't like rehearsed she's just kind of like giving her take and he's like no you have to call him an anarchist you can't an ancap no no no anarchist anarchist she's saying no no he's clearly an ancap he's an anarcho-capitalist that's clearly who this person is he she even connects it to the cop block thing In New Hampshire.
That's Christopher Cantwell.
That's Christopher Cantwell before he became a Nazi.
He was literally part of that movement.
He was one of the most vociferous voices in that movement.
Yeah.
That was hilarious, because she's being earnest.
It sounds, anyway, like she's actually trying to explain to him.
Like she thinks, oh, Tim doesn't get it, if I can just... And he's just obviously sort of... It sounds like he's almost nudging her, like, don't do that!
Do the talking points!
Come on, you've got to do the thing!
And you get that sometimes, particularly with this guy Ian Crosland, who is just so much like, he is just kind of like a big proto-fascist teddy bear.
He's this kind of hippie, seems like a very conspiracy minded.
He goes off in this whole thing about like, if you manifest this thing in the world, like Tim, if you manifest this belief that the Antifa are just going to go and like kill people, then they're just going to go and kill people, you know?
And so, yeah, Antifa are bad, but if you just say that they're bad, then maybe you should, you know... And then they go off on this thing of, like, Tim says, like, yeah, but anarchists... Anarchists are never gonna, like, build houses for people or feed people.
It's like... You literally don't know the first fucking thing about anarchists or the history of anarchism.
You fucking ignoramus.
I could have pulled 50 clips from this episode.
I listened to it four times.
It's almost hypnotic, isn't it?
It is, it is, it is.
No, it's pretty glorious stuff.
Cassandra Fairbanks has to go, no, they're clearly anarcho-capitalists, that's who this guy is, clearly.
They're right libertarians.
Obviously, they're right libertarians.
These are not anarchists, these are not of the left.
And this whole thing about the Boogaloo Boys, they kind of supported Black Lives Matter.
Some of them did and some of them didn't.
But the answer was they hated the cops.
They hated the cops.
They wanted to protect private property.
They agree with sort of like the baseline, cops shouldn't kill black people because cops shouldn't kill any people sort of thing.
But they're certainly not like in favor of the kind of the fuller Black Lives Matter agenda.
They're not in favor of like the idea of like reparations and you know, Challenging the nuclear family and all those sorts of, you know, the kind of more actually like leftist ideals that are kind of built into the Black Lives Matter philosophy and organization.
You know, like clearly the Boogaloo Boys are not in favor of that.
They have their own agenda that they are enacting by defending private property from looters and rioters, as opposed to actually being involved in this.
Oh, and in Portland, a friend of the show, Robert Evans, tells this, tells this anecdote fairly well.
At one point, sort of like the Boogaloo Boys kind of show up, and they were going to, like, kind of attend the protest and help the protesters.
And this was on one of the nights when the giant, like, wall of moms was there.
And this was for people listening down the line or who may not know this.
There was a moment in which you had a bunch of, like, basically middle-aged mothers showing up to defend the protesters, to kind of force the cops to actually tear gas ordinary people, as opposed to, like, the anarchist scum that they're used to tear gassing.
The Boogaloo Boys shit their pants and ran, and the Wall of Moms stood strong.
So, you know, this is not unexpected, but it is very funny.
As much as a large number of innocent people being tear gassed by a draconian police state can be funny, which isn't so far, I have nothing but respect for these people.
Anyway, but yeah, no.
So, that's just completely wrong.
I played you two, like, minute-and-a-half clips.
Granted, at 1.5x speed, we could literally pick apart the errors in them for an hour.
Like, we could literally just sit down.
We could be here all night.
So, let's just move on to the third clip, which I think is the thing that we were kind of getting at here.
Which, this is not the one I sent you, but this is a different one, and it gets across sort of the same point about as well.
Okay.
So, let's dig into this.
You add this to the story we have about these, uh, these guys in, uh, in Michigan, and I'm just kind of like, oh, I'm not surprised.
Like, is this the first of many attempts on politicians?
Yeah.
Dude, you, you violate the constitution brazenly while laughing at people when you do it.
Don't be surprised when this kind of thing happens.
Now, I'm grateful to the FBI that they got stopped.
Do you remember what happened with her, like, a few months back?
There was an anti-lockdown protest, and the next day she came out and she was like, well, now basically I'm gonna create an even harsher lockdown at a site.
I remember that.
I was like, whoa, this woman's gonna get- Dude, just lazy.
She's evil.
Like, legit evil.
So, I say she's evil in the truest sense of the word, right?
When a bunch of people in Michigan were freaking out because her emergency powers are too extreme, they started signing petitions saying, we want a referendum on taking her power away, and she said, do not let them take my power from me.
And then when the Supreme Court of Michigan ruled, you can't do this, she said, I'm gonna do it anyway.
Talk about evil!
Completely mad with power.
Here's the problem.
Why isn't the federal government removing her?
That's what they're supposed to do, right?
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
But if you have a governor and their legislation says you can't do this and she laughs and does it anyway, shouldn't the feds then intervene and be like, this woman must be removed?
Because she's not letting anyone do anything.
And I'll tell you what else, what are the cops doing?
Now, the AG has said she will no longer enforce any of Gretchen Whitmer's, you know, edict.
So, she's essentially just sitting in a room crying and screaming, demanding a lockdown that no one's gonna enforce.
So she lost.
But shouldn't she just immediately, like, isn't, don't we have some kind of thing where it's like, if you were ordered not to do something you did anyway, like, we get rid of you?
Like, you're no longer the governor or, like, in charge?
Recall?
Yeah, but that's like, that requires an actual vote.
She's not letting people leave their houses.
I'm exaggerating a bit, but, you know, you lock everything down, people can't actually organize.
The backstory of Whitmer's about the lockdown and about the lockdown protests and about sort of the legal wrangling in the Michigan courts about the legality of the orders is more complex than I want to get into here for many reasons.
One, for time.
Two, it's not all that interesting.
And see, I'm not a lawyer.
Did I say 1, 2, C?
Probably.
I'm very tired.
I had a full day at work.
But Tim's framing it as basically, you know, the Reichstag fire part two.
He's framing it as like, look, Whitmer was putting out that she was acting tyrannically.
With these draconian lockdown orders.
And you know, I live in Michigan.
I've been here since the beginning of the pandemic.
I'm an essential worker.
I can tell you, you know, enforcement varies by region.
Around here, most things are kind of going the way they have been.
Mostly things are kind of back to normal, unfortunately.
People are wearing masks, but, you know, like social distancing and such.
And really, after the first couple of months, the worst of the kind of lockdown stuff, I mean, you know, like they reopened restaurants, which I don't think they should have, frankly.
But it reduced capacity and, you know, like they have to have certain kind of regulations.
But because this became a political football and particularly because Georgia Whitmer is was on the short list for VP under Biden and she kind of came to national prominence because of that.
And she became a target of Fox News and of these of these figures and, you know, became like a reason to oppose her.
Also, Michigan's kind of a weird state.
We've got, you know, the Detroit area, which is where most of these Wolverine Watchmen dipshits were from, the Detroit area, although they were Spread around, and the ringleader was from Grand Rapids, as I said earlier.
You got this large city, Detroit, which was kind of a collapsing manufacturing base, but which has a long history as one of the wealthiest cities in the nation.
And then a whole lot of farmland up, certainly above the northern half of the state, and then the upper peninsula.
There's almost no one lives anywhere there.
The Upper Peninsula has like 320,000 people.
I mean, you know, more people live in Temple's house, I think, than the entire Upper Peninsula.
Apparently one of the reasons their internet kept getting cut off is because they've moved out into the middle of nowhere and there are enough people in the house that were just on the internet.
Apparently he has to tell people to stay off the internet while he's recording, which is most of the time.
Who calls that torrents?
Yeah, well, maybe that's... I'm sure that's it, you know.
Torrents and porn in both, you know.
But yeah, no, so they're framing, you know, Whitmer as this, and there are lots of criticisms.
I would have criticisms of some of the things that were done.
You know, the one kind of meme-worthy one is that, you know, it was said, like, Whitmer banned the sale of seeds, and that's not really what happened.
The plan, the idea was that when spring hit and, you know, people were kind of getting out more, Um, people were shopping, were kind of crowding the, um, like the, um, uh, gardening centers and, uh, stores.
And as a, as an attempt to sort of like curtail that, when we're sort of ordered to the gardening center, the gardening, like those departments, those areas were just kind of roped off so you couldn't get into them to prevent people from crowding them and potentially spreading COVID-19.
This is basically fascism we're talking about.
Right.
You can buy seeds.
There are plenty of ways to buy seeds.
Like, she did not, like, forbid the sale of seeds.
And I think that, like, there are other ways this could have been done.
But also, like, she's getting no cooperation from the Republicans in the Congress, in the state Congress, because they want to use it as a political football.
And look, I am no great fan of Gretchen Whitmer.
I don't want to, like, I voted for her in the general election because she was the Democrat and I vote in my local elections.
I did not vote for her in the primary.
I voted for Abdullah Syed, who went on to be a Bernie Sanders surrogate in the 2020 primaries.
and it would have been a much better candidate.
I would much rather he was the governor, but that's not the choice I got to have right now.
So I'm not saying I'm a great defender of Gretchen Whitmer, but Tim Poole is just fucking lying.
And he's, because of course he is.
Like, it's complete nonsense.
And Tim Poole has made quite a few videos that are still up on his channel.
I checked before I sat down here to record this, calling Director Whitmer, you know, a tyrant and draconian measures.
And look at all this awfulness that's being done in the state of Michigan and, you know, attacking her, presumably, at least in part, because she was seen as one of the potential vice presidential nominees for Biden.
Well, I mean, that one you sent me, you know, it's before this plot was revealed.
And he's on there basically accusing her of being an authoritarian who's, you know, desperately sort of clinging on to dictatorial power.
And he's using terms like red flag.
And he's equating people that support necessary measures to combat the fucking COVID virus as fascists.
He's doing that in a video that you sent me before the story broke.
Yes, indeed.
It's just, I don't know, what else can you say?
Tim Poole has been pushing these kinds of narratives around Gretchen Whitmer, and at least one of these guys who was in that plot was a fan of Tim Poole and Stephen Crowder, right?
Yes.
Now, I am not saying Tim Poole is personally responsible for this.
It's a larger thing going on.
But Tim Pool has been pushing these narratives, he's actively lying about this stuff.
I think it's very clear from the documentation that I put in the show notes, all of which existed prior to Tim Pool making this livestream, Or at least most of it existed prior to.
It was very clear that these are right-leaning people.
He picks out the one guy that he can frame in this way to say, no, it was actually left-wingers who did this.
And even between the contrast between the two videos, once he felt that it was left-wingers, there was no sense of defending them in any way.
Suddenly it's like, no, Whitmer was the bad one, et cetera, et cetera.
He changes his tone completely between the filming of those two videos.
That's perfect.
Before he finds a way of framing them as left-wingers, he has to admit they're right-wingers, whereupon it's, well, okay, they shouldn't have done it and I'm glad they were stopped, but, you know, you can't really blame them because Gretchen Whitmer's so bad.
And then he finds a way to frame them as left-wingers, whereupon it's, well, they're just completely beyond the pale, there's no defending them whatsoever.
Gretchen Whitmer?
No, she didn't do anything.
No, I mean, he does say that Whitmer was a tyrant, and he's still pushing that narrative, right?
But at that point, there's no defense, right?
It's just sort of like, there's no idea.
And in fact, even his logic is like, well, right-wingers get caught, and so they're not really a danger.
It's the wonderful, you know, there's so much evidence I can't have done it.
Right, right.
If I had done it, would I have left this much damning evidence behind?
Clearly.
What a stupid thing for me to do.
So, yeah, I think that's 67.
And yeah, he's pushing this now.
You know, you said you didn't want to blame him.
He's not personally responsible.
He's not directly personally responsible.
He certainly has some culpability.
I mean, yeah, no.
This is it.
He might disagree with you.
Because just before we started recording, I saw a tweet from Cody Johnston, who does the Some More News YouTube videos.
Cody Schody.
And he was tweeting about how after the Daytona shooter thing, Tim Poole actually got in touch with him and asked him if he felt responsible because apparently that guy, the Daytona shooter, had once retweeted one of Johnston's tweets.
This is the Dayton shooter, this is Conor Betts who was... Dayton, I beg your pardon.
Yeah, right after El Paso, this was like that same weekend as the El Paso massacre.
This kid had interacted.
He called himself an anti-fascist.
He was, like, punch Nazis.
And the details on that are really scarce, honestly, as to exactly what happened there.
He didn't leave a manifesto or anything.
Right-wingers hop on this as, you know, the Daily Show boys hop on it because, like, that was a known, like, right-wing bar that he attacked.
That was a known, like, Republican hotspot.
So clearly that was why he attacked that particular bar.
That doesn't seem borne out by any particular bit of evidence, except for what's going on in Mike Enoch's stupid little brain.
But the whole thing was, like, he had interacted with a number of anti-fascists, and I never interacted with him, to my knowledge.
But a lot of people in my orbit, people who are mutual foes with me, did interact with him.
And it was not a good time.
But, like, he was just an account.
He was just a reply guy, you know, showing up in people's accounts.
And so, like, Tim Poole contacts Cody Johnson, like, hey, Dayton shooter, buddy of yours, you know?
And then, like, you know, you're actively, you, Tim Poole, are actively defending these guys.
So, you know, go fuck yourself.
Goes to show, once again, total hypocrite, total propagandist, total casuist.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
That's it.
More lies from Tim Poole.
Yeah.
What a surprise.
Shocking.
Shocking, I know.
The last thing you would expect.
It might be superfluous, I don't know.
We're telling people stuff they already know.
Tim Pool's a right-wing grifter and a propagandist and a liar.
To have this perfect thing, like we literally just released the episode, and then a day later you get this huge story that he's kind of in the middle of, and in the way that he chooses to propagandize against it.
I just kind of saw this kind of happening and I'm like, we got to do a follow up.
There's just no question.
And like, believe me, it's not so, oh, let's like, you know, pounce on the news story and put ourselves in the center.
That's not the point here.
Just in case anybody wants to think, oh, we did this because we want the extra clicks.
I don't get more money for, for more clicks.
You know, believe me, that's not, you know, we don't monetize in that way.
People did kind of DM me and are like, hey, are you going to do something about this?
And I thought like, yeah, I think, I think probably we should.
So, um, yeah.
Yeah.
Cause you know, it's just so perfect.
And the timing and, and to just watch him just blatantly brazenly change narratives in the, you know, almost in the middle of a sentence, you know, and he does it all the time.
It's just fun to catch him like that specifically right there, you know?
So, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So, Tim Poole, room for improvement, I think it's fair to say.
Yeah, you could do things differently and be more respected by me.
I know that's top on his list of priorities is to be respected by me personally.
Yeah, so that's part two of the, turned out to be a two-part series.
Two-parter on Tim Poole, yeah.
On Baldy McDickface.
Baldy McDickface and the Boogaloo, that's what we should call that one.
We shouldn't actually put Dick in the title, we get dinged for that in various places.
Yes indeed, that would be terrible.
I've got a little bit of pushback on that joke, and I kind of accept the pushback.
I just want to make it clear, the baldness I'm mocking is not the baldness of the head, it's the baldness of the soul.
Sure.
Okay, great.
Well, that was our little extra catch-up News Roundup Emergency Tim Poole-isode.
And the plan is still for the next one, which will now be Episode 68.
And that one, I will record that in a couple of days, so you're getting more IDSG content.
Pretty soon I'm going to be doing this like Tim Poole does.
We're just gonna do, like, four a day.
Yeah, that's right.
More bang for your buck.
And the quality will still be better than Tim Pool's quality.
Well, that's a very low bar.
I'm pretty sure that bit where Gavin McInnes shoved a dildo up his ass on camera was better content than four hours of Tim Pool every day.
Okay, well that's a perfect place to end.
I'll probably just fade in with you saying that.
Yeah, fair enough.
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