This time, Jack and Daniel delve into the cesspool that is the barking, beanie-wearing, bollocks-talker Tim Pool. Prepare for a small avalanche of weapons grade stupid from YouTube's favourite reactionary propagandist pretending to be a centrist or something. Content Warning. Links / Notes: CV Vitolo “Haddad”: Another Academic Racial Fraud? https://medium.com/@polite_keppel_dinosaur_57/cv-vitolo-haddad-another-academic-racial-fraud-c5c41fe32110 The CV Dossier: https://twitter.com/thecvdossier Inside Higher Ed, "Fresno State Pulls CV Vitolo-Haddad's Job Offer." https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/09/18/fresno-state-pulls-cv-vitolo-haddads-job-offer Timcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Timcast/videos Timcast News YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TimcastNews/videos Timcast IRL YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TimcastIRL/videos SCNR YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SCNRtv/videos Tim Pool: Day at a Chicago Warehouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LgfyUeFlzw Tim Pool calls into the Majority Report, November 2011. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYcZodBFS8k Christopher Robbins, Gothamist, "Is OWS Livestreamer Snitching Or Reporting?" https://gothamist.com/news/update-is-ows-livestreamer-snitching-or-reporting "Is that his job? To hold people accountable? "Well," Pool pauses. "That's not my decision to make. That's the majority's decision. I will say that in the case of last night, I'm not advocating anyone to go after this person." "But it does offend me when people say I'm putting them at risk. If you throw a bottle at the police, you're putting people at risk. When two innocent people who were doing nothing get arrested because you threw the bottle, that's putting people at risk. I'm going to hold those people accountable." " Tim Pool at Vice.com: https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/tim-pool Vic Berger thread on Tim Pool: https://threader.app/thread/1101208956230356994 James Allsup and Tim Pool, June 2017. https://archive.org/details/youtube-5_QaIhe7JxA Thought Slime, "Hats Off to Tim Pool." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDVhNuFAq4 Cassandra Fairbanks Telegram: https://t.me/s/CassandraFairbanks Jose, "Diving Into the Shallow End, My Week With Tim Pool (Part 1)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Wv59W0uPo Jose, ""Diving Into the Shallow End, My Week With Tim Pool (Part 2)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AnrGWF2ri4 Earlier Jose video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrZQ_bu8Sc&t=402s Tim Pool clips https://twitter.com/TimPoolClips Matt Binder video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfoLE-eHnwM&t=1022s Tim Pool’s Grift Exposed https://youtu.be/jpRyjI8oC_E Inside the Mind of Tim Pool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zbw2vWOz4&t=1531s Antisocial Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsNKtRZEVjk&t=522s Tim Pool, Phony Liberal by Abe Gaustad https://medium.com/@abegaustad/tim-pool-phony-liberal-67e409cd34ca RationalWiki https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Pool
You know, look, left unchecked, humans are going to make virtual reality games where they can just, I'll try not to be crude, but, you know, pleasure themselves.
Oh no, it's coming.
It's absolutely coming.
And I, you know, what are you going to do about that?
And I just think, you know, how much money do we allocate towards curing things like baldness?
But baldness isn't the big concern, it's just kind of a funny thing to poke at.
This is I Don't Speak German.
I'm Jack Graham, he/him, and in this podcast, I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, about I talk to my friend Daniel Harper, also he/him, about what he learned from years of listening to today's Nazis, white nationalists, white supremacists, and what they say to each other when they don't think we're listening.
Be warned, this is difficult subject matter.
Content warnings always apply.
And it's another pulse-pounding, heart-racing, high-octane thrill ride episode of I Don't Speak German.
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It's a sideline.
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The occasional table is particularly fetching.
Daniel, say things, please.
There was actually a restaurant near me a few years ago.
That went out of business and like when we that I used to visit and we asked like, oh, what's what happened?
What's coming in here next?
Like, oh, it's gonna be a furniture store.
And for a minute, I thought like, is going to be a furniture store like just sort of like a phrase that people say when like a restaurant closes because it just has like tables and chairs.
But no, it actually did become a furniture store.
So it was like, okay, that's fine.
But it was kind of one of those, like, that could be just like a phrase that people use that I'm just not aware of.
So no, this podcast is not going to actually become a furniture store, thankfully.
Yeah, no, it's a decorous, you know, little Timmy.
What's happened to Grandad?
He's become a furniture store, darling.
But yeah, this is episode 66 of I Don't Speak German, and this episode is about a gentleman.
Well, no, that's the wrong word.
A person.
In fact, I'm not even entirely sure about that one.
An individual, shall we say, called Tim Poole.
So those of you with a passing familiarity with Tim Poole, I'm sure you're looking forward to us talking about him.
Before we get to that, we do have a couple of Bits of business to get out of the way.
Firstly, we do have to issue an apology for being less prolific and less frequent of late than we want to be and like to be.
You know, 2020 continues to be 2020 and real life etc etc.
And we don't, apart from the lovely people that come to our Patreons to help us make this podcast, which are enormously appreciated, we don't get paid for this.
So we do have jobs and real lives outside of it, which do impinge somewhat.
And also, you know, especially for Daniel, it can be punishing work.
So it's not always possible for us to be as frequent with episodes as we like to be and want to be and still intend to be.
So yeah, there's that.
The next thing to say is there's been a fair bit of news lately about one thing or another.
The news has been fractal really, hasn't it?
Just the last couple of days really, let alone since the last episode.
Haven't done an episode in like nearly a month and yeah, yeah Well in like in 2020 time that's like six years, right?
Like there's just time dilation as we get deeper and deeper into like we're not even gonna talk about like hey Donald Trump has the coronavirus Who knows what's going to happen next week with that.
Anyway, we're just going to run right by that.
It's fine.
Absolutely.
But one of the sort of fractal explosions of news within the main explosion of news has been a positive supernova of Cantwell News.
Now, we are not going to do that now.
The plan is for us to do that Next time, which hopefully, again, as I say, we plan to be more prolific.
Hopefully that'll be next episode.
Hopefully next episode will be quite soon.
And hopefully we will have a special guest on for that one.
So look forward to that.
So Cantwell News, the big picture is Christopher Cantwell was convicted of the crimes that he committed.
openly confessed to to multiple law enforcement agencies um and we will be talking about that trial and um all the bullshit that went around that uh next week um hypothetically so yeah that's the plan indeed and And the next bit of news, the last bit of news we have to cover, before we get to the subject of Tim Poole, the wonderful Tim Poole, is the subject of a former guest on this show, C.V.
Vitolo Haddad.
Yes.
C.V.
was guested on this show twice in, I believe, April and July of 2019.
Once to talk about sort of gender and Nazis and the other time talk about a debate that they had with Eric Stryker of the right stuff in the People's Square and to kind of discuss the issues that kind of came up around that and kind of how that happened.
It turns out that CV was revealed by, and I've put links in the show notes to all this, was revealed by someone who had worked with them at their university, University of Wisconsin-Madison, as being faking their ethnicity.
That they have long been ambiguous about, you know, exactly what their ethnic background is, but certainly claimed a non-white identity of some kind.
And it does appear that, you know, CV is very, very white.
And the evidence for that kind of came out all at once and is pretty overwhelming.
And, you know, I mean, ultimately, you know, this is, it's really unfortunate and it's really damaging because this is exactly the sort of thing that, you know, CV often would use their ethnic identity as a way of like deflecting criticisms from themselves.
I, I don't air personal grievances and dirty laundry on this podcast for a whole lot of reasons.
Suffice to say that C.V.
and I were not exactly on the best of terms even before this news came out.
And, you know, when it came out, it's just kind of like, oh, certainly certain things make a lot more sense now.
Certain ways that they avoided responsibility and avoided answering for themselves.
And there is a link in the show notes to the original Medium post where the evidence was collected.
There's also a Twitter called the CV dossier, where a whole lot of people who knew CV or know CV in their personal lives and then know the history have been like kind of collecting the evidence around this.
And there's a piece, CV was apparently up for a tenure track position at Fresno State.
And that job offer has been rescinded in the wake of this news.
One of the things that kind of came out was they were apparently like it was because of their like debate skills like they've actually been sort of a professional or semi professional debater for a number of years like going back to high school.
And it was on the strength of this that they were offered this tenure track position.
And actually, from what I understand, actually, Fresno State offered CV this job over another debate coach who was actually a person of color.
Ouch.
Which is, it's just, it's pretty reprehensible.
Now, I have, and this goes for, This goes for I just want to make the kind of the blanket statement that I invite people on the show who I think have interesting opinions or have interesting knowledge that I lack and who can bring something to the show and I don't like personally endorse like every opinion that anybody that comes on this show has because
We try to, you know, there are a number of like a wide variety of political opinions that people who have come on the show have and I'm not like fully in support of every single one of them.
CV was controversial in these fields.
At the time that I brought them on and I made the decision to bring them on and have those conversations.
And if you want to ding me for that, for not being, you know, pure enough, then I understand.
I have had some people block me on Twitter and unfollow me, you know, over some of these issues.
And, you know, I get it.
can't you know all I can do is kind of go by my own best conscience and by what I knew at the time and this extends also to Samantha Kuttner who is an associate of CVs and I have no idea what their current friendship is or how if they're still working together it's From what I can tell, Sam Kutner has not said anything openly in public about this CV debacle, which kind of tells you something at least.
I honestly, you know, at the time that I was speaking to them and at the time that they were invited on the show, it was because they had knowledge in sort of counterterrorism and confronting violent extremism.
And this was in the early 2019 when you were starting to see these kind of terror wave and this, you know, terrorgram group started.
And I thought it's important to kind of get that perspective out there.
And honestly, I wish I had never been introduced to either of them.
You know, I have gone back and forth about whether or not we should just take those episodes down, but I think there's good information in them.
And I think that it's, I don't think that they're tarnished by sort of like later revelations around those people necessarily.
So, you know, I could be convinced otherwise.
But yeah, we try to kind of move forward and do better in the future with, you know, kind of making those decisions.
And yeah, other than that, I don't know.
I don't know what else I can really say about it without like, kind of getting into dirty laundry that I don't want to get into.
Yeah, no, we're not going to get into dirty laundry.
Yeah, I mean, that's really all you can do, isn't it?
Try to be honest about things and try to do better and, you know, trust the intelligence of our audience, you know, because obviously, you know, somebody guesting on the show is not a complete 100% endorsement of them.
I don't necessarily endorse 100% of what I say on this show, let alone what other people say.
And obviously, it goes the other way around.
People come on this show, it doesn't mean they completely endorse us.
So you would hope that the audience, those listening in good faith and being intelligent about it, which I have no doubt is the vast, overwhelming majority, get that.
And in that assumption, all you can do is try to do your best and always improve and just be honest about it.
I think that's it really isn't it?
And you know at the time that I mean again at the time that I brought Kuttner and CV on the show they were young academics working in a field that was relevant you know like that's yeah no that's what you know you know so There you go, and you should take people at face value.
You should take them at, you know, obviously not uncritically, you know, if we did that then we'd accept a whole load of propositions about the person we're going to be talking about in this show.
Right, exactly.
But obviously, you know, with proper scepticism, you know, you should take people as they present themselves to you.
That's the right way to go about it, you know, because 99% of the time you're basically going to be fine with that approach, I think, certainly my experience.
Yeah, I mean, you know, ultimately, again, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm not patting ourselves on the back.
I'm not defending it, really.
I'm just saying, this is the perspective at the time.
And, you know, this is, I mean, it's some real fuckery that's kind of gone on around that.
And yeah, so.
It's an unfortunate situation.
But, but yeah, I think that's that covered, at least in terms of what we can do here.
And now that's that covered.
Also, I do want to say that, For my knowledge, to my knowledge, C.V.
never actually worked for Light Upon Light.
Like, there's a lot of, like, speculation that, oh, they were kind of secretly working for, you know, Jesse Morton, etc., etc.
To my knowledge, that isn't true.
I could be mistaken on that, but, like, I haven't seen anybody give me, like, concrete evidence that there was actually, like, a formal relationship there, which there was.
Sam Kutner definitely did work for Light Upon Light, briefly.
Um, and then, uh, we know that, like, those two kind of shared information and, like, consider themselves, like, close research associates, et cetera, et cetera.
But, um, that being said, I have, you know, I am going out of my way to, like, get people to talk more about Light Upon Light and to, um, go after that organization using journalistic tools so that, like, more people can be aware of how, like, fucked up that place is.
And so I would encourage anyone who is deeply critical of, you know, C.V.
and Sam Kutner for being associated with Light Upon Light.
The real target is Jesse Morton, and the real target is Parallax Networks, or Parallel Networks, and the other people who are still, like, fucking engaged with that thing.
And that doesn't have anything to do with us, really.
So I'm still working on that story.
If you have inside information, please reach out to me.
It's it's a challenge.
So anyway, I just wanted to throw that in just right here in this moment, because I think that's the the real story is how toxic light upon light is, in my opinion.
OK.
All right.
Oh, before we do go on, actually, I just want to briefly say, to completely swerve, because this is the first time we've really, for complicated reasons, it's the first time we've really had a chance, you and I, to acknowledge this.
We have theme music now, isn't that great?
Yeah, it's great.
Thank you to Loon the Band, who worked with me.
I gave them very general direction about the kind of thing I was interested in, and they worked really hard and put together something that I think sounds phenomenal.
Like, I would have been happy with, like, 15 seconds of strumming on a guitar, and they just went all out with it.
It sounds great, and I'm so happy to have it on the episodes.
So, yeah, it's phenomenal.
Absolutely, yeah.
It's amazing.
It's just a shame I have to talk over it.
But it is my theme.
I've decided, actually, it's my theme music.
I have theme music now.
It's mine.
Yeah, so on to the main subject of the episode.
Tim, look, okay, look.
We're going to have to have the name discussion, all right?
Before we go on, I need to do something a bit serious about this.
Now, The person we're going to be talking about in this episode is called Tim Pool.
Now, Tim Pool is a person who, for various reasons, gets called a lot of names online, right?
This is a guy who gets called things like Pim Tool and Dim Fool and stuff like that.
Now, a lot of people do this, even some people I respect do this.
And I want to say, before we go on, It's not clever, it's not funny, it's unhelpful, and it just makes us look bad.
This is my statement on this one.
Going on for the rest of this podcast, and indeed indefinitely from now on, I'm going to be calling Tim Poole by his proper name, which is of course Baldi McDickface.
Yes, indeed.
That is really the more appropriate, I think.
Or, you know, Beanie Man is sort of the... I don't know.
That's good, but I think... People make fun of... Go ahead, go ahead.
I toyed with the Galaxy Brain Ufologist or something like that, but I think Baldy McDick... And look, I'm not making fun of people who are bald.
Yeah.
Or who have dick faces for that matter.
Or even people who have dick faces.
Look, I've got a dick face.
I'm an ugly guy and I'm losing my hair, okay?
So, you know, this isn't funny.
The point is that it is funny when you do it to Baldy McDickface.
Right, right.
So that's what I'm going to do.
Fair enough.
I think I'm going to just call him Tim Pool for a while, but, you know, I could be convinced.
I could be convinced.
I think by the time I, because I'm really going to run this one into the ground, I think you'll probably join me because I'm just going to really insist upon this one.
OK, well, fair enough.
Well, we should we should dive right in to the Dick facery then, I suppose.
Yeah.
So, you know, in line with my usual way of segwaying into the main bit where you tell me stuff, Daniel, who is Baldy McDickface?
Baldy McDickface, otherwise known as Tempool, is 34 years old.
He was born in 1986.
He is half Korean, Well, his father is Korean, from what I understand.
His mother is white.
I had no idea of that.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
And it's actually, like, one of the things that I try to do when I start prepping these is to get some sense of, like, who these people were as, you know, like, who they were before they started their, like, media career, or who they, you know, what their childhood was like, etc., etc.
Um, you get very, like, it's, it's really scant to find stuff about Tim Poole.
His, like, early life on his Wikipedia page is, like, a paragraph long, and it's sort of like, his father is Korean, he grew up on the south side of Chicago.
The earliest, like, material I can find is of him as a teenager, as a skateboarder.
in videos that date from 2003 or 2004 that were originally uploaded in 2006.
So we're talking like very, very early days of YouTube, in which he's, you know, just skateboarding around like a Chicago warehouse and skateboarding around, you know, there's some park in Chicago where He was kind of a semi-professional skateboarder.
He was a skater boy.
He was a skater boy.
And apparently, sometimes he's described also as a videographer.
So I would assume, you know, he's probably- I bet that girl who thought he wasn't good enough for her is sick now, eh?
When she sees him up there.
When she sees him up there, in the beanie, talking about voting for Trump.
Yeah, we're gonna get there.
We're gonna get there.
Poor Daniel, honestly.
The things he has to put up with.
No, it's fine.
I'm so sick of listening to this guy.
I'm just, I'm so, it's, it's been, it's been, the thing is that this got delayed like three weeks, or it got delayed twice, and so normally when I prep these I'm like, I'm looking for clips.
I'm kind of like, you know, continually consuming the content so that I have it really fresh in my mind when we record.
And then when we delay a week, it's like, oh, now I've got to do this again next week.
And then we delayed twice and it's just, it's just unbearable.
So, Tim Pool is, you know, you find him out, he dropped out of high school when he was 14 years old.
He actually, the best way to learn about this, he actually went on Glenn Beck's podcast about a year ago, and he talked a little bit about his kind of early life and how he got disenchanted with school and, you know, became a skateboarder, etc.
And, you know, again, it really is hard to kind of find really concrete stuff from that time period, but apparently he was a videographer recording people doing skateboarding tricks, and he was a skateboarder, and that's kind of what he was doing.
He comes to fame in 2011 when he is about, he's in his early 20s, and covering the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York.
Um, he was sleeping in Zuccotti Park.
Um, and, uh, there's actually, if you, again, if you go and you look and you kind of look in the early days of YouTube, you can find a 2011 clip from the majority report with Sam Cedar interviewing Tim Pool, who was calling into the show from, you know, a cell phone, who he was just a live streamer and he was getting like a lot of renown for
Showing this footage and for like doing this, um, really kind of groundbreaking work in terms of, you know, like citizen journalism.
And this was, he was kind of touted as like, is this the future of what journalists are going to be in the future?
The answer was yes.
And that is deeply unfortunate.
The answer is yes.
But a lot of what we're seeing from live streamers, from Unicorn Riot, from places that are doing live streams of protests and of riots and of street action, Tim Pool was kind of at the vanguard of that.
And he was kind of well known for being someone who brought new technology into the realm.
He used Google Glass to cover some things.
He was using drones, aerial drones, to record the protests.
And so you can give him credit for that.
That said, and this is not going to come back here in a few minutes, there is also a little piece here from 2012 called, Is OWS Livestreamer Snitching or Reporting?
This is by Christopher Robbins.
It's in the Gothamist.
There's a link in the show notes to it.
Tim Pool, who at the time was not like a known he was he was just oh there's this dude guy there's this documenter of Occupy Wall Street named Tim Pool he's just a guy like that's what he's known for he was assaulted on the street By a protester.
I don't know that there were ever charges.
I don't know that they ever found the guy or anything, but the reason given or sort of like the thing was that Tim Pool was controversial for filming people doing acts of vandalism, for filming that stuff and then like kind of showing it and he was getting protesters, he was getting people in trouble with law enforcement because law enforcement were using his footage to go after people.
He was asked about this in this piece and I have a little quote here to where she says he says he wants to like he thinks people should be held accountable right and he means like protesters like committing acts of petty vandalism.
That's not my decision to make.
That's the majority's decision.
I will say that in the case of last night, I'm not advocating anyone to go after this person.
quote from Tim Pool.
Well, Pool pauses.
That's not my decision to make.
That's the majority's decision.
I will say that in the case of last night, I'm not advocating anyone to go after this person.
He means the person who assaulted him.
But it does offend me when people say I'm putting them at risk.
If you throw a bottle at the police, you're putting people at risk.
When two innocent people who are doing nothing get arrested because you threw the bottle, that's putting people at risk.
I'm going to hold those people accountable.
And so in 2012, he's already...
To being really mealy-mouthed about, like, you know, oh yes, there are these anarchists, there are these protesters who have legitimate complaints about the power of global capitalism, and who are committing acts of petty vandalism, and he's holding those people accountable, and not really the police.
Yeah.
And he does kind of talk out of both sides of his mouth on this, and I don't want—but that, again, is a pattern that continues.
Um, what I'd like to do now is take a pause from our, like, narrative, and I want to play you a clip that made me do this episode now.
The clip that made me decide, okay, now is the time to do this.
And this is from one of his YouTube channels.
We'll get into his multiple YouTube channels here in a second.
But this is a clip of him talking about the act of quote-unquote blackbagging, which was in Portland in the month of July, when federal officers were snatching people off the streets, throwing them in vans, driving them around for a while, and then releasing them.
This is Tim Poole's feeling about that.
This is what he has to say about that.
Yeah, and apologies in advance, listeners, for making you listen to Baldy McDickface's actual voice, because it is extremely annoying.
And we're also going to speed it up for you as well, so at least it'll be over quicker.
No, as always, we speed these up.
This is about 45 seconds long, and I have sped it up to 1.5x speed.
Federal law enforcement using unmarked vehicles to grab protesters off Portland streets.
Let's be honest, there's a word for this.
It's black bagging.
The story- I'm not gonna barely lead on this one because I think it's hilarious.
Unmarked vehicles pull up, feds jump out, and then walk up to Antifa and just snatch him up.
Gone.
And you know what?
I mean, it's funny to think, because I'm thinking about like when I was a kid, you know, like when I was younger, watching V for Vendetta or any of these movies.
You'd imagine that anybody carrying out these governmental black baggings were the bad guys.
That's a good point.
No, not here.
47 days, these people have been allowed to throw bricks and molotovs trying to burn down a federal courthouse.
Yeah, you're not the good guys.
You're a bunch of crazy people.
And the local government won't enforce any of these laws.
The feds are like, the easiest way to make arrests is just, to be fair, they're not showing up at their homes, you know, in the middle of the night, literally putting a black bag over their head and cracking with a trenchant or something.
They're waiting until they start walking away from the courthouse and then come around when they're by themselves and arrest them for the riot they just partook in.
Exactly.
But it is still funny to call it, you know, them getting black bagged.
And so that should give you a little sense into what Tim Pool's sense of humor is like.
There's so much.
There's so much in that 45 seconds there.
Tim Pool's love of pop culture.
Back in, oh yeah, V for Vendetta.
He references movies quite regularly.
Not a Marvel movie in this case, but you know, a comic book movie.
You know, V for Vendetta.
Uh, and the fact that like, Hey, you remember that we used to think those were going to be the bad guys, but Hey, it's really hilarious because it's anti-fun.
So this is fine.
Yeah.
This is great.
They should just do this.
Right.
Um, what does it's all right.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Like you say, it's all there, isn't it?
But I'm just staggered by, what did he think V for Vendetta was about?
He watches V for Vendetta and he thinks the people doing the black bagging are the bad guys, so presumably V is the good guy, which is correct.
He's passed the movie correctly.
Does he not realise that V is, like, a terrorist, who's also an anti-fascist, and is also, in a complex way, the good guy?
I mean, it just beggars belief.
The sheer stupidity.
You know, like, I don't know what's going on there, psychologically.
Did he just completely misunderstand the movie?
I'm literally speechless at the stupidity of it.
We've only just started and I've been robbed of vocabulary.
You find that a lot with Tim Poole, and we always run into this, particularly with these kind of like middle figures who aren't overt Nazis.
And again, I'm not going to claim Tim Poole is a Nazi.
He has a lot of Nazi friends, but we're not claiming that Tim Poole is an overt Nazi himself.
That's not what we're doing here.
I could defend calling him a fascist, personally.
Fascist, I think we could probably argue.
Reactionary.
And he's certainly clearly in favor of using state power against the people who are fighting fascism when they engage in direct action.
I mean, he said it right, I mean, it's right there.
It's right there.
The episode's done.
He said it with his mouth.
Right there.
This is not hidden.
He spends an enormous amount of time on his YouTube channels – And again, we'll get into his, he has four channels technically.
Defending Donald Trump, everything is always good for the Republicans.
Everything's good for Trump.
Everything's bad for the Democrats.
Any move that's been done, it's always going to affect the Democrats badly and it's going to affect Trump well.
He leans into the, oh, I'm so sorry, I really hate that I have to support Trump, but he's anti-establishment as opposed to these establishment Democrats who are just going to give us more wars and more of the same, etc, etc.
We'll get into the pro-war stuff here in a second.
Or the anti-war quote-unquote anti-war stuff here in a second.
But this is a really good encapsulation.
Like that little 45 second sped up clip, that's kind of what listening to him is like all the time.
Just completely unmoored from any kind of reality.
And it's just, I feel like I do have this thing of, I often kind of question, is this a grift?
Like is this a character he's playing for the media?
Or is this like what he actually believes?
And I think most people kind of lean on the Tim Pool actually is like that dumb.
And he's, you know, this is kind of the person he is.
But I lean increasingly on the, I think he is smarter than this.
I think that he is like knowingly pushing an agenda because of just how overt he is about always manipulating things in a particular way someone like joe rogan i think actually is just kind of a dumb fuck who yeah um because you do occasionally find him like pushing back on this stuff you do occasionally find him um responding like a human being to to some of these
And he might be a right-wing shitbag and kind of alt-right adjacent, and I'm not arguing with any of that.
But I think he's legitimately just kind of dumb and willing to accept certain things about the world.
Sure.
Um, whereas Tim Poole is kind of openly propaganda, is an open propagandist about this.
And I think once you consume enough of his content, it becomes, Harder and harder not to see it as something that is a like a considered position that he is taking So, I do believe that he is lying.
I don't believe that this is, like, a legitimate, like, you know, opinion, necessarily.
Anyway.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think you're right about Joe Rogan, and you can see that, you know, just by watching, like, the times that Joe Rogan has interacted with Baldy McDickface.
You can see, you know, sometimes, you know, he will... and, like, also with people like Dave Rubin, you know, sometimes just...
The stupid coming at Joe Rogan will be so intense that even he kind of goes, well, hang on a minute.
But yeah, I mean, the whole grifter versus true believer thing, it's very complicated.
You know, I tend to think it's more that there's sort of a, that it's kind of both at once in sort of dialectical unity or something like that in a complicated way.
But there is no doubt whatsoever that Tim, I beg your pardon, Baldy McDickface is a deliberate and conscious liar and grifter.
There's no doubt about that whatsoever.
Because as you say, it's calculated and you only have to look at his output to see how consistently it is fashioned to appeal to his audience.
The audience that has made him, depressingly, one of the most watched People on YouTube because he gets enormous audiences, right?
Absolutely.
He's done very well from this and he's he can't he fashions his content to pander to these people.
He tells them what they you know, and I think like with Dave Rubin, there's almost this kind of behaviorism at work where he's following the money, you know, he's following where his audience want him to go because it's like, you know, he presses the right button and he gets the he gets the seed, you know, I think with Tim Poole, I think he's got, you know, it's not saying much, he's got a bit more of a brain than Dave Rubin, so he's able to be more calculatedly dishonest about it.
No, and I think you're right on that.
I mean, again, it is difficult to say, and we don't want to go out of our way to go, clearly he's lying, but it's a considered opinion based on a whole lot of watching his content.
I think he's pretty clearly He's a propagandist.
I think that's the best word for it.
Yeah, exactly.
And that involves twisting facts to suit a pre-decided narrative.
That's just the job description, basically, if you're using propagandist in that sense.
Right.
So jumping back just to kind of like fill in the little gap here in the in kind of the Tim Pool story.
So in 2012 there are already kind of questions about like this guy's really kind of being irresponsible in the way like he's expressing a clear like political objective in the way that he's filming things despite the fact that he's kind of claiming to like there's there's this kind of question about like live streamers and like this sort of It's the paradox of neutrality, isn't it?
the lively kind of phenomenon of, well, look, I'm just pointing a camera at something and what we see is what we see.
And like, it's clearly just true, right?
And I think that that's sort of the- - It's the paradox of neutrality, isn't it? - Right.
- You know, if you're, basically, you know, if you're neutral in a situation where there are powerful people against powerless people, then by definition, you're on the side of the powerful.
If you're neutral in the conflict between oppressor and oppressed, then you're on the side of the oppressor.
I think Tim is a baldy, I should say.
I think he's a perfect example of what happens when you make a fetish of centrism and you turn it into this world.
As you say, I'm just pointing a camera at it.
I don't have an ideology.
I just look at the facts, I just read the news reports, I just point the camera and I judge everything on a case-by-case basis.
Because of course he does have an ideology.
So what happens is he slides inexorably towards this bias, towards the right.
So you start by just going to the Occupy protests and you point the camera and you record what people say and you don't do any further research.
Into it than that.
So what you're doing is you're saying, well, one side says this and then the other side says that.
And then because you're there to film a few people as part of the Occupy movement taking part in direct action or something like that, you can say, well, it just happened.
I just filmed it.
It just happened.
They chucked something at the police.
And you're not there, of course, to film the complex social processes that these people are actually protesting about.
You can't film the processes of capitalism and growing inequality that these people are actually protesting about.
So you end up with documentation of, in effect, you end up with documentation of one side of the argument that favours the powerful.
And that favours the sort of like direct Act that's being done as opposed to the larger structural forces that created that and just and again even more basic than that, like the idea that I'm pointing a camera and then I'm just showing like raw video and therefore this is.
That there's no bias or there's that this is in some way is, you know, more objective than, you know, a more considered edited piece.
It's something that's more thoughtful is like you're still deciding which direction to point the camera, right?
And if you are pointing the camera at the protesters throwing water bottles, And not at the police who are shooting tear gas.
You're making a decision about what to show and what you think is important.
And to deny that, to deny that basic fundamental reality, is to reveal either a complete lack of understanding of your own role as an observer, or to show this is your Explicit bias in what you think is important.
Yeah, ultimately you get away from those sort of more subtle processes I was just talking to and you get into the realization that the money is in constantly attacking the left and supporting the right and peddling right-wing narratives and making excuses for them and declaring the left psychotic and stuff like that, so you just slant it that way.
So yeah, no, so he goes on after, so again, he has this controversial reputation.
In 2012, in 2013, he actually is a co-founder of Vice News and, you know, doing again that kind of on-the-ground citizen journalism.
It would be very easy to connect him to Gavin McInnes at this point, who was one of the original co-founders of Vice, but Gavin had left the company a few years before that.
There are connections between Gavin and Tim, but they're not based around sort of Vice News.
And again, he does what, everything that I understand, good reporting.
He does a lot of, you know, filming.
I put a link to his Vice News page so you can go check out his reporting.
He reported from Ukraine, he reported from Thailand, he reported all over the world.
And he went into conflict zones and Did actual journalism and we'll give him props for that.
He actually used to leave his house.
Believe it or not He bounces around for a little bit after that he only does he's only with Vice News for a couple of years I think He don't he joins fusion for a little while.
I'm not sure exactly when that began and ended but really the story of Tim pool doesn't really start until The alt right starts to become a thing in like 2015 2016.
And he starts to make some really interesting connections with people, particularly in this kind of like 2017 era.
Because by 2017, he has started a kind of direct to live streaming YouTube career of talking into a camera as opposed to sort of like producing documentaries.
He does – kind of the last big documentary he produced was a – I believe about 30 to 40-minute YouTube video where he visits the quote-unquote no-go zones in Malmo, Sweden.
And the YouTuber Thought Slime did a much better job taking that piece of bullshit apart than we're going to bother with.
It's a truly great piece of... It's one of my favorite YouTube videos.
It's one that I just kind of put on sometimes when I'm just like, oh yeah, I could use a little something to get me before bed or whatever.
Yeah, absolutely brilliant.
Go watch that.
I also put in the links the YouTuber Jose.
I'm going to sit and watch every single Tim Pool video for a week, and I'm going to tell you what I found in all those videos.
And that's a great two-part analysis of Tim Pool.
Which told me I didn't have to do that either, so... Yeah, they're very good as well.
Jose's actually got an earlier video about Tim Port, which is pretty good.
So yeah, I co-signed on all of those.
Sure.
So...
Tim Pool currently has four YouTube channels.
So he has his main channel, which is Timcast.
And I forget which one of these is which on a regular basis, but he's got Timcast News, he's got Timcast, he's got Timcast IRL, And then there's a channel called SCNR.
Now SCNR is the rebrand from earlier this summer of what used to be called Subverse, which is sort of his like journalistic imprint, where apparently he's hiring journalists to kind of go and do short documentaries.
And that's probably the most like legitimate side of what he does.
Um, there is obviously some, like, right-wing bias kind of going on there, but at least he's, like, that does seem to be kind of a different thing.
It's not branded with Tim Pool, it's branded Subverse, and so that is kind of slightly separate from him.
We may kind of cover that as a separate thing, like, down the line.
But his other three channels, and this, believe me, this kind of sounds slightly unbelievable, even me kind of talking about it.
He's producing something like four hours of content, video content, every day, five days a week, and something like two to two and a half hours on Saturdays and Sundays.
He's producing an enormous amount of low effort content, which nonetheless, This is every day.
If you go back in his channel, I mean, I didn't check Christmas and New Year's and stuff to see if it's literally every day, but he's producing hours worth of content every single day, in which he's reading news articles into camera, providing his commentary, which as always we've kind of described the content of that already, and then So basically one of the channels, I believe the TimCast channel, is roughly like 10 to 15 minutes.
No, the TimCast News channel is about 10 to 15 minutes every few hours, and it's on a schedule of like 10 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m., and 7 p.m.
or something like that.
So he's producing 10 to 15 minute videos that go out on this kind of like regular schedule that are covering some piece of something in the news.
Then he does like a 20 to 30 minute video on the main TimCast channel, Which is sort of a longer and more in-depth analysis of some other kind of big news story, and I think that's kind of the primetime thing.
And then he does the Timcast IRL, and that's what the... Actually, both of the clips that are from one of his shows that I'm going to play for you today are both from this Timcast IRL, and that's where...
He has like a studio in his home and he invites his friends to come in and talk to him about the various issues of the day.
And that's a little bit more like kind of more of like a Joe Rogan style podcast in the sense of it is kind of like more conversational and chatty.
But he always does kind of again kind of fill these things with his like kind of prebuilt talking points about the Democrats are always failing, the Republicans are always winning.
Trump is always doing the great thing.
You know, it's really the left.
They're always the left.
The left are always wrong.
And why can't we just be rational centrists and proud boys are cool, et cetera, et cetera.
That's his thing.
And let's just go ahead and play this next clip here to give you a sense of what this sounds like.
If you do want to engage with Tim Pool's content, and you do not actually want to engage with Tim Pool's content, but if you did, the TimCast IRL would probably be the one I would recommend.
It's certainly the one that's sort of least aggressively awful.
right um but um so so here we go let's just play this next clip and uh we'll identify there are um two voices here which we will identify once we get done with it okay when did the left become pro war under obama Under Obama.
They didn't want to protest him doing the exact same thing that they protested Bush doing.
Clinton was pro-war.
He was just there with a smile.
They all are.
I know.
The left became pro-war after World War II, because they want to prevent World War III, so they set up military bases all over the earth.
Is that what it was?
Yeah.
It's called the, uh, what they call it, Eisenhower called it the military-industrial complex.
Right, right, right.
But what I'm saying is, I remember, um, early 2010s, people protest.
I remember 2000s.
War's bad.
Bush is bad.
War is bad.
Then Obama gets in.
War's good now.
Yeah, the people that were screaming anti-war weren't left.
They were, like, centrists.
The people that... I don't think they're far left.
Maybe they were anti-Bush too.
No, it was because I was coming of age during Bush.
I was a teenager during Bush, seeing all of these people claim to be my ally and my friend saying war is bad.
And I genuinely thought war was bad.
I'm like, I look at this stuff and this is bad.
And then as soon as Obama got elected, I'm still standing there holding the sign saying war is bad, and they go, uh, we're gonna get out of here.
And I'm like, but war is bad.
Yeah, but our guy won, so it's all you.
Right, the Identitarian split.
You know, at the Identitarian, it's anti-war guys, because they'll go off with their candidate when he wins and go to war with them.
You mean tribalists?
Yeah, or whatever.
Identitarian is a reference to, like... People that worship somebody.
That's not Identitarian.
It's the anti-war concept that pervades.
Forget who's in charge.
If they're going to war, you gotta turn on them.
You gotta stop the war.
I think there are instances where war is unfortunate, but good.
I think there are a lot of instances where the U.S.
is engaging in extremely stupid and bad war that's just bad for us, but it's like you get some zealot who wants to go and is mad about someone trying to kill his dad, and we end up in 20 years of war in the Middle East, which, for what?
Can we even talk about what we gain from this?
And now all of a sudden, I'm sitting here like, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, eh, I'm not gonna vote for a Republican, I'm not Hillary Clinton, she wants war.
And then Trump wins, and now he's the guy who has to start a war.
He's the guy who's got historic peace agreements in the Middle East, he's the guy who's withdrawing our troops, and I'm like, I still think war is bad.
Hello?
Left?
No.
They're complaining about Trump doing this.
And you know what bothers me?
Is that even, like, I don't understand the intercept.
Right?
Glenn Greenwald's outlet.
Because he's complaining about Russiagate.
Here, here, Russiagate was nonsense.
He complains about the media.
I totally agree, Glenn.
He says, here's criticism of Trump.
And I'm like, man, right there, you know?
And then he says, this is really great that Trump isn't anymore.
I'm like, dude, Glenn, this is fantastic.
So we voting for Trump now?
And he goes, no.
His outlet starts putting out all this, Trump is bad.
You know, the far left is good.
And I'm like, what?
Yeah, tribalism.
That's tribalism.
That clip was from September 22nd, I believe, by the way, just in case you do want to go hunt for that one, which I wouldn't recommend.
Yeah, I guess, you know, I included that little bit about Glenn Greenwald just for context here.
Certainly, I think we would have our own issues.
I think Greenwald is a mostly bad but nuanced figure in terms of current discourse.
I think there's been some great work done in the past.
I don't know.
I know I just had you listen to that.
Does any what kind of jumps out at you in terms of that clip?
There's so much there right there's so much there but yeah Again, so much there.
I don't know if I'm gonna be going in the places you want, you know for the purposes of telling your story I can only tell you what jumps out to me and the first thing is the I mean firstly Some of what is being said there is actually, you know, it's not completely wrong.
Like, obviously it's coming from the wrong place and with the wrong intent, etc, etc, etc.
But it is true.
A lot of people who, you know, would call themselves on the left or call themselves liberals, are and have been and still are complete bloody hypocrites about war you know condemning George Bush rightly for his wars of aggression etc etc having supported Clinton when he committed atrocities imperialist atrocities and then supporting Hillary Clinton who herself is you know an aggressive warmongering hawk and
Covering over the imperialist crimes of the Obama administration.
All absolutely true.
There's plenty of them out there.
But completely, again, the intent and the framing is completely dishonest because it's coming from a different ideological place.
The attempt is to blacken the left.
So what's missing there, of course, is firstly, I mean, of course, completely missing is any actual awareness of a structural critique of imperialism and capitalism and stuff like that.
And, you know, as a sort of ineluctable part of that, you have the conflation of the left with the Democratic Party.
Well, you know, the left is bigger than the Democratic Party.
And there are a lot of people.
Who have been consistent about this, you know, and you know, whoever is in the White House, they're anti-war.
There's plenty of them out there, Tim.
If you don't know them or you don't see them or you don't hear them, that's because you're not looking.
You're too busy just conflating the left with like, you know, Obama and Clinton Democrats, which is fatuous and ridiculous.
And the other thing to point out is, you know, in my opinion, Tim, or Baldy, or whatever I'm calling him now, he has a lot more in common with the Greenwald tendency on the left than he does with the authentic, I would call the authentic left, the actual anti-war, anti-imperialist left that I would identify with.
Greenwald is part of this, and I have a lot of respect for Glenn Greenwald, for stuff he's done in the past, But I also have, you know, a great many criticisms of Greenwald and the intercept tendency and, you know, stuff like that.
And, I mean, Tim has supported Tulsi Gabbard, right?
Now, Tulsi Gabbard is, you know, she makes left sounding noises.
Right?
And she's beloved of people who like to call themselves progressives.
You know, she's been supported by people like Jimmy Dore and etc.
That sort of quote-unquote left current, right?
Because that sort of current of quote-unquote left thinking is obsessed with being anti-war.
And again, it completely lacks an actual analysis of imperialism, capitalist imperialism.
What you have from people like Gabbard is this criticism of wars of choice or regime change wars, and it's coupled with some sort of left or quasi-left stuff here and there.
But actually, when you get down to it, it's not an actual left position.
It's not an actual socialist position.
And certainly, when you look at somebody like Gabbard closely, she's, you know, she's... She's pretty fascist.
She's pretty fascist.
You know, she supports Modi in India, who's a fucking Hindu supremacist fascist.
So, you know, and you can't simplify these things down into easy categories.
But that sort of tendency, that spectrum on the left, so called on the left, That's got much more in common with Tim's, you know, spurious centrism than an authentic left position, as evidenced by his own claims to be anti-war when the left, which he completely conflates with the Democratic Party, is not anti-war. which he completely conflates with the Democratic Party, is not So the actual left position is being completely ignored and effaced.
And what you have instead is this, as I say, this spurious centrism, ranging from Tim right the way over to people like Greenwald, etc., which is actually, you know, different nodes of reactionary thinking.
That's, you know, that's probably not where you wanted me to go.
Oh, no, that's very...
I was hoping you would give the informed and erudite reaction to that, that you did.
I'm not sure I managed that.
Off the cuff, it could have been worse, maybe.
Very much where I thought you would go with that, is to pick at that and go, no, this is complete nonsense for the reasons you just gave.
Also, I think it's worth noting that the...
That an isolationist position, like war bad, you know, kind of isolationist position, is part and parcel of, you know, even the kind of America First committees back in the, back in the 30s, back in, you know, pre-World War II.
Totally, yeah, no, I mean, you know, right libertarianism through to fascism can hold that sort of isolationist, anti-war, anti-imperialist position, and has done, yeah, very often, yeah.
And the logic is often, you know, Poole doesn't seem to do this, but certainly, you know, like, Tulsi Gabbard is anti-war because, like, we can't put American soldiers in harm's way.
Like, it's never about, you know, the actual... Tipping that clip, does the, what's it done for us?
Have we benefited from it?
Oh yeah, no, absolutely.
There's also this, you know... I mean, I agree.
I agree.
The American people do not benefit from US imperialism.
The American working class does not benefit from US imperialism.
In fact, it costs them.
But that's not why you're against imperialism.
Right.
Anyway.
You know, the thing is, the working class globally doesn't benefit from it.
The capitalist class benefits from it.
That's the point.
If you make it into what does the American working class, or America, you know, worse, America generally, as sort of an undifferentiated category without class distinctions, You're actually covering up the reality of what imperialist war is about.
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think it's also worth noting that they, you know, so there are two other people in that clip.
One of them is Ian, who's, I believe, actually lives in Tim Pool's house.
He's got this kind of, like, large home with, you know, a number of rooms.
I checked his... I'm sure he does.
I checked his Instagram and, I mean, he's got, like, he just literally moved to, I believe, somewhere right on the Pennsylvania I think he's in Pennsylvania now, but he's kind of an undisclosed location I'm sure it's findable for anybody who cared enough to care But like he has like moved out of the city at this point And he's built this kind of like fancy new studio and apparently this buddy Ian is like living with him now I'm sure he's I'm sure he's doing fine.
You know talking bollocks has been very good for Tim Paul It's actually I do like wonder because like the YouTube monetization stuff is like they're there.
It's it's relatively difficult to get Real money out of YouTube monetization.
Like, he does produce a ton of videos.
Well, that's because social media is biased towards the left, Dan.
Come on.
Like, it's difficult to get, like, that much money out of, like, just the pure monetization scheme.
And, like, I think that's part of why he produces not only so much video, but so many different videos.
So that, like, everybody has to, he gets more overall clicks for the same amount of recording time.
And, in fact, on that TimCast IRL channel, he will cut up segments from the long-form live podcast.
And then put them into, like, kind of, like, named clips on the show or on the channel so that he can then get more clicks on top of that.
And he is, like, huge.
I mean, he gets millions of, millions of individual viewers, like, every month.
But each individual video is only getting, I mean, only getting, like, a hundred thousand or a couple hundred thousand clicks.
So he's not in, like, PewDiePie territory, who's getting, you know, millions of views for every single one.
Um, so it does, it does kind of like, this is always the question that we run into is like, where's the money coming from, right?
You know, like, what's the, is, is there kind of some secret funder who's kind of making all this happen?
Um, I can't find any kind of direct evidence from, from Tim.
Um, but he's got a very nice house, you know, and, uh, it does, it does strike me that, uh, you know, so I, I do have, I do have big questions about like exactly how the, how the math adds up on that.
Um, so Ian is one of the guys on there.
He's just kind of a dipshit guy.
I want to kind of leave him behind for just a second.
I didn't do like a deep dive into that guy, but apparently he's like worked for Minds.com in the past and this kind of alt tech media guy.
And he has his own YouTube channel where he gets a couple of hundred views on his individual videos.
Aww.
So, you know, he's really kind of Tim Pool's buddy, is kind of like what he is.
But kind of left out of most of that discussion.
Something like that, anyway.
Kind of what's left out of most of that discussion is the third voice there, the female voice you hear at the very beginning, who That's Cassandra Fairbanks.
Yeah, Cassandra Fairbanks.
Photographed with Tim in one of those infamous photos.
They have a long-standing friendship.
Cassandra Fairbanks, I put a link to her telegram in the chat there, she is very friendly with Nick Fuentes and Michelle Malkin and the whole Gorper thing.
She was certainly kind of doing that over the summer.
And as I say, she appears in one of those famous photographs of Tim chumming it up with Laura Loomer and Lucian Windridge and Gavin McGuinness and people like that.
Fairbanks would probably describe herself as more of a, you know, kind of libertarian nationalist kind of type.
Yeah, yeah.
But when you're like, when you're hanging out with the Groypers, when you're actually promoting, you know, Holocaust denier, overt Nazi Nick Fuentes.
Or covert Nazi Nick Fuentes.
You're a Nazi.
You're a Nazi.
Yeah, Nick Fuentes, of course, former buddy and partner of James Allsup, another of the people with whom Tim has hobnobbed over the years.
Oh, you hit the punchline at the end of the episode already, but you know.
Oh, forget I said it.
No, no, it's fine.
No, no, no, it's fine.
We can actually just go ahead and play that clip if you want.
If you like.
This one is actually at an outdoor protest.
I was going to play the clip and then let you guess the other person he's talking to, but yeah, it's fine.
We'll play it this way.
This is at an outdoor protest in June of, I believe June 4th of 2017.
I literally ran across this as I was like 15 minutes before we were about to start recording.
I'm like, oh, this has to go in here.
So this is originally from James Alsup's YouTube channel.
It has been, I think it was deleted even before his YouTube channel was deleted, but it's on his, he has his own little page on the Internet Archive.
I have it downloaded and this is Tim Pool with Jane's Awesome.
We'll just leave it at that there.
Just a word to the wise, I did not speed this up because there's a lot of background noise on this one because it is recorded outdoors at an event.
So this one is at regular speed and it's about a minute and 52 seconds long and we're going to play it now.
Well it's interesting, there's a sign over there that says white nationalism is terrorism.
So I'm wondering how many people here are actually white nationalists.
I asked a few, I'll ask some more.
I'm not saying they don't exist, I certainly saw white nationalists in Berkeley.
So I'm wondering if this event has any partisan belief in white nationalism, or are the people over there misplacing their irony?
Well, it's really interesting because a lot of their signs, most of their signs are explicitly targeting the alt-right.
They're targeting Nazis, they're targeting fascists, but you look at the crowd here and it's like largely, like, old people enjoying, like, country music, you know?
Like, it's not, it doesn't seem to be the demographic they think it is.
Last question, do you think, we're kind of early in the event now so it's going to change of course, it started at 2 o'clock so really recently, do you think that it's going to change and there will be more confrontation during the event or do you think they're going to save that for afterwards?
Yeah, as soon as this group tries to leave It's going to be really dangerous.
Look, there's got to be several thousand counter protesters right now.
When the rally attendees go to leave, you've got a lot of people wearing the MAGA hats.
Easily identifiable.
And these people are going to be spread out around the city.
Antifa right now is probably several hundred people.
And they're going to be in... Portland's not a very big place.
These people have got to go somewhere.
Now what we saw in LA was the police escorted the rally attendees, the protests, to a parking garage.
I wonder if we'll see something similar, but I think there's going to be a lot of violence after the fact.
There's a potential for violence if rally attendees leave.
We've seen confrontations out and around, but interestingly enough, I saw several rally attendees near the end of a protest.
Have you seen any arrests so far?
I've seen one arrest.
I've heard of three.
One guy charged his way in here.
The police shoved him out and then he shoved some random guy and they just took him down.
Wow.
Cool.
Well hey, thanks for talking to me.
I appreciate it.
So the thing I love about that clip more than anything else is that, you know, that's Tim Pool asking openly, hey have you seen any white nationalists around here?
To James Alsup.
Oh, no, man.
I don't think I've seen any white nationalists around here.
No.
This is about two months before the Unite the Right rally at which James also very happily attended and was literally on video screaming because he was so excited to have seen Richard Spencer.
Yeah, yeah, James also at this point was not actually working with Was not actually working with Nick Fuentes yet But like a few months after this he would start the podcast nationalist review with Nick Fuentes and he is currently the kind of second chair on the fascination podcast, which is part of the right stuff radio network.
So James also is an openly anti-Semitic, open, like Nazi.
He is an open white nationalist.
And whether he was slightly more in the closet in June of 2017, this is Tim Pool speaking to a Nazi and going like, I don't see any Nazis around here, which just speaks to the other thing.
And the reason I let that clip play as long as it was.
Yeah, Tim Pool, the journalist.
Literally looking at a Nazi, saying, you seen any Nazis?
And the Nazi's going, no, no, nein.
No, I don't see any Nazis.
No Nazis around here.
You know, covering up the swastika with one hand, you know.
But also, equally important and why I let the clip play as long as I did, is that towards the end he's literally talking about, The event is going to end.
All of us Nazis are going to go off in our separate ways, and then Antifa is going to come attack us!
That's what's going to happen, right?
And at the very end, it's a celebration of, oh yeah, there was the cops.
They totally took this guy down.
It's like, oh yeah, that's cool.
That's cool.
It's the attitude.
I mean, again, what else do you even need to say?
You just pointed out, like, that's audio, Well, yeah, right there, you know, there it is.
Yeah, from his own mouth, you know, in a better world, it ought to be enough to just look, there you go, there it is.
And you know, that's, that's it done.
I think, like, when you look around the internet at like, stuff people have done about Tim Paul, you know, articles and, Check the links, listeners.
There's going to be a lot of links in there to videos and articles and stuff.
Just cataloguing the acres and acres of stupid from this guy.
And also the acres and acres of dishonest.
And one thing that people tend to say when they talk about this guy is that he does the, you know, firstly they say he does the Dave Rubin thing where he pretends to be a liberal or a centrist or a left-winger of some kind and then just constantly bolsters the right and constantly attacks the left.
That's true.
And people say, you know, another thing that gets talked about is those photos I was just talking about where people say, well, you know, Tim Poole claims to be a journalist and claims to be, you know, a liberal or a centrist or whatever, but here's these photographs of him with Gavin McGuinness and Lauren Southern and Brittany Pettibone and James Allsup, you know, and yes, that's true.
But what people don't seem to get, I think, from just, this guy has done so many of these softball interviews.
With these people.
He's done softball interviews.
He did one with Brittany Pettibone where he described her in the title as Trump supporter.
Yep.
That's Brittany Pettibone who is married or nearly married to Martin Sellner who is an Austrian white nationalist.
Yeah.
To whom Britton Tarrant gave money before he went and killed 51 people in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Like, that's the person that we're talking about, that he gave a softball interview to and described as a quote-unquote Trump supporter.
And believe me, at the time of that interview, she was well known to be harboring – to be using openly white nationalist talking points.
So yeah, Temple doesn't get to play the oh, I'm ignorant of this or whatever You know, he is he is well known to be in communication with people like Faith Goldie who it's a white nationalist Yeah Yeah.
It's not just that, you know, he does a softball interview either.
He, you know, agrees with and echoes loads of our points and lets her get, you know, again, I was saying about, like, people say he's like Dave Rubin and etc, etc.
He's also like Dave Rubin in that he just sits there going, oh, yeah, right.
That's interesting.
As people come out with the most insane, you know, just factually Wrong, malignant assertions imaginable.
Just wacko nonsense.
And he just doesn't challenge it.
And he does that in the Pettibone interview.
He does it with, you know, very relevant to the clip you just played.
He does a softball interview with Baked Alaska, where he's saying, are you guys white nationalists?
And Baked Alaska's just going, well, I'm not a white nationalist.
I don't know.
This guy's not a fucking journalist.
Baked Alaska who, you know, plays... he's kind of gone back and forth about being like the, you know, open Nazi versus, oh no, I'm just a... I'm just an ordinary Trump supporter kind of guy, you know.
I don't agree with those guys anymore.
I used to, but I left that thing.
Yeah.
Cernovich, that's another one.
Pizzagate Cernovich.
Yep.
Softball interview.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And he goes on Joe Rogan.
I mean, he even got to, he went on Joe Rogan at one point, and alongside, I forget her name, but the person who's kind of in charge of content moderation at Twitter, and got to challenge her on stifling, quote unquote, conservatives on Twitter.
By controlling the narrative through technology, like that's the status this guy has, like, another reason I really wanted to talk about him is that, you know, I do have like kind of people formerly in my life, you know, through Facebook, or, you know, through You know, who are, who lean conservative, who lean right wing, whom I am not in regular communication with, but whose social media I tend to check.
I tend to watch to see kind of how much this stuff is actually filtering into, you know, sort of people that I know.
I use them as sort of barometers and bellwethers.
for, you know, how prevalent these ideas are.
And Tim Pool has an enormous reach within the sort of like ordinary sort of Trump supporting kind of low information Republican who sees themselves as kind of being in this kind of centrist, you know, "Oh, I'm more of a libertarian type." I like Trump because of, you know, the economy, etc, etc.
But who certainly would never consider themselves like overt Nazis, who certainly, you know, would even who would say like, Oh, no, I'll punch any Nazi that comes near me, you know, whatever.
And yet he's filtering these far right ideas, he's filtering this narrative and this like perspective on anti-fascists and on the quote-unquote the left into these people that might as well come directly from these white nationalists.
And then whenever he's sort of challenged on this, The answer that he gives is like, no, I mean, look, I talk to people, you know, they're just an ordinary person.
Like, he defends Britney Pennybone.
It's like, Britney Pennybone is not a Nazi, you know?
But he'll attack Richard Spencer as being a Nazi.
In fact, he tackles Richard Spencer in a recent video.
He was talking about how, you know, Richard Spencer, he's supporting Biden because, you know, he's a Nazi.
Like Biden, apparently.
Yeah, yeah.
That's exactly what he does.
He peddles sort of boilerplate Republican right-wing stuff.
He defends Brett Kavanaugh, etc.
etc.
He's anti-affirmative action.
He's anti-political correctness.
He tells his listeners all about how You know, Twitter is dominated by the left-wing outrage mob and social media's bias against the right.
All this just boilerplate right-wing stuff.
And then he combines it with stuff like, well, you know, Tommy Robinson, he's actually a centrist.
It's actually the left being, they're slurring him by calling him a fascist, etc.
You know, this is the grift.
He's peddling stuff that's That's on that sort of cusp, I think, to the people who are in the exact category you've just been talking about.
The people who don't think of themselves as far-right or fascist or anything like that, who think of themselves as anti-fascist.
He's just feeding them the constant sort of pro-Republican, anti-PC, anti-left, pro-Trump stuff that they lap up, and at the same time he's feeding these far-right fascist talking points into it.
I mean, I think somebody did a study on him and it was fascinating because they went through his sources and most of his sources are right-wing, openly right-wing.
But the combination is fascinating because his biggest sources are like the Daily Mail, which is very right-wing but mainstream.
And Fox News, which is very right-wing and kind of borderline mainstream.
It's just on the cusp.
And then there's Breitbart in there as well, which is openly far-right.
So there you go.
That's exactly what he's doing.
He's sort of blending it all together for this audience that doesn't want to be in that far-right category, doesn't think of itself.
But it's getting this stuff fed into it, and it's getting those extreme right-wing positions normalised and respectabilised.
Right.
By Tim.
Yeah.
And also just to, you know, for someone who again claims to be center-left or, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
There's no, there's never an attempt to synthesize or understand any kind of like left-wing position.
On these issues, it's always, well, the left is just crazy.
They just go, they just want to go around and break stuff.
You know, like he makes that noise a lot, you know, in his videos, you know, as you know, like there's this constant, like infantilization of left-wingers and particularly of anti-fascists and Black Lives Matter.
And like, these people are, you know, completely childish and, you know, out to lunch and we can't listen to anything that they have to say because they have no real position.
They're just like spoiled children and kind of doing the, Doing the thing that spoiled children do, and they just have to be put down with force.
There's no other option for it.
But there's no attempt to actually, like, synthesize, you know, an understanding, even like a beginner's understanding of, you know, why people believe in things like systemic racism or why, you know, capitalism is actually sort of problematic.
Like, he's famous for being like a 2016 Bernie Sanders supporter.
He said, I liked Bernie Sanders.
In the primary, but he didn't like any of his actual policies.
He didn't like, he's like, I don't like, I don't like Bernie Sanders economics.
I think he's out to lunch on economics, but I liked his like anti-establishmentarianism.
I liked the fact that he stood up against the warmonger Hillary Clinton.
And, you know, when he left and, you know, so it's kind of it's this kind of like reflexive, you know, anti-establishment position, which leads him to embrace a variety of figures from time to time like Bernie Sanders, but not under any like I like Bernie Sanders, but I don't agree with anything but not under any like I like Bernie Sanders, but I don't agree with anything Well, you're not really a Bernie Sanders supporter, are you?
No, no.
Yeah.
He went on the Jimmy Dore show, and I've mentioned Jimmy Dore before in connection with a tendency that I don't like, but Jimmy Dore can occasionally... He's not as far out there as Tim, for instance.
And Tim pulls on there and he's saying, well, you know, I'm pro-choice, which actually he isn't, and I'm, you know, I'm pro-minimum wage, and I'm pro-progressive taxation, I've got all these left-wing positions, but I'm now against socialized medicine, right?
Right.
And, like, Jimmy Dore can just, he asks the most basic questions of, well, why?
Why are you anti-socialized medicine?
And he just destroys the bibble this guy comes out with.
And he's got nothing after that.
He just sits there going, well, you know, it's complicated, and it's nuanced, and I don't know.
I'm not smart enough to figure it out.
Jimmy Dore!
Yeah, when Jimmy Dore can, like, crush your political opinions, then...
Yeah, no, you know there's a... Just revealing him to be the complete fucking charlatan that he is.
Because it's a pose, it's just an aesthetic, it's just a, well, I agree with these progressive positions, but I disagree with socialized medicine, I disagree with universal healthcare.
And of course, as you were saying, and as I was saying, it's just being spoon-fed to this audience that lap it up.
They just want to hear these Republican talking points fed to them.
With this veneer of centrist respectability and unbiased, free-thinking, free-speech, championing, you know, open-mindedness.
He's not selling politics or opinions or news or journalism, God forbid.
He's just selling that aesthetic to an audience that want to feel that way about themselves.
Right.
And there's so much of it that you can literally, I mean, you can just tune in, you know, four times a day and get your little, like, 20-minute dose of it if you want to.
Like, it's really, really easy to do.
Yeah.
That Joe Rogan experience thing where he's on there with the Twitter people, he's actually on there with Jack Dorsey and the sort of head of... That is fascinating.
No, it is fascinating.
It's been a while since I watched that, but yeah.
It just makes a complete fool of himself.
Actually, if people want to, rather than sit through the entire thing, if people want like a digest of it, Matt Binder did a really good video, well it's a live stream originally, where he sort of curates the stupidest bits for you and it's very, very good, very funny.
And my favourite bit of that is when Tim gets to the end and they're wrapping up, and he thinks the mic's off, and actually the mic's still on, and he starts giving the names of Antifa accounts to these people that he's been talking about, these Antifa accounts, and he starts giving the names to this woman that works for Twitter.
You know, despite all the pose of being Mr. Free Speech and Mr. Civil Libertarian and, you know, harm reduction and all this crap he comes out with, when he thinks the mic's off and she's saying, can you give me the names of the accounts?
He says, yes, there's this account here.
I'll spell it out for you.
I just want to follow up on a couple of things because they worry me.
You mentioned an Antifa account that docks policemen.
Can you please just send that over to me?
Bit.ly slash Antifa tweet.
Bit.ly slash Antifa tweet.
Fucking little hypocrite.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Well, and of course, like, free speech, you know, whenever these people talk about free speech, that only applies To people with reasonable opinions and not to the crazy leftists who believe things like capitalism is bad.
Those people don't deserve to be within the realm of conversation.
It's fine to ban those people.
You get to black bag those people because somebody shot a bottle rocket at a building And so clearly they have no civil liberties at all any longer.
It's perfectly fine to just send the police, state after them with whatever force is necessary to prevent that bottle rocket from being fired again.
Like that's clearly the biggest problem in our society.
Well, we've got to institute authoritarian, fascistic, repressive measures against democratic protest because somebody threw a bottle.
Oh, what about the decades, if not centuries, of systematic authoritarian state violence against black people that sparked these protests?
Not on the fucking radar.
I could go on and on with this, honestly.
I could have given you a hundred clips.
That was really the problem with prepping this, was that it was just, there was just so much.
And so I just kind of focused on like the little bit of like, you know, just the really overtly anti-protest, anti-Antifa You know, that just to give you the sense of telling you he's telling you exactly who he is, that he's telling you who he is in those clips.
But we could go on.
We could.
I mean, believe me, there was so much that I was going to that I thought we could possibly bring up in this.
I know that you did a bunch of research for this as well.
But I've kind of gotten to the end of my notes, so I'm certainly able to talk for longer.
I'm just curious, did anything kind of jump out at you that we didn't really cover in this episode?
I've actually mentioned a lot of the stuff I wanted to mention.
As I say, there's a lot of stuff online about Tim Pool.
Just go to the Rational Wiki page and experience the avalanche of stupid for yourself.
One of my favourites, I think it's actually from the aforementioned Brittany Pettibone interview, is where, no it's not, I'm wrong, but there's one that's curated on that Rational Wiki page where he says, you know, People that believe in white privilege are racists because they believe that one race is privileged is to believe that that race is superior.
Now, that is a perfect demonstration of the stupid or lying question, isn't it?
Because it's so unbelievably stupid.
It's such a ridiculously stupid misunderstanding, stroke caricature, uninformed, incurious, lazy caricature, misunderstanding of what people mean when they talk about white privilege.
Yeah, no.
But at the same time, it's very carefully calibrated to appeal to a particular audience, isn't it?
It is, yeah.
It's both.
It's kind of like both at once.
It's like Schrödinger's propagandist.
You know, he's both, don't open the box and, you know, while the box is closed and the waveform remains uncollapsed, he's both stupid and lying at the same time.
Absolutely.
And there was a clip that I was meaning, I couldn't track it down in the minutes before we started recording, but there was a clip that I found where he was talking about critical race theory.
And he says, you know, critical race theory, that's what white nationalists believe.
Yeah.
Which is basically just the old canard of, you know, if you talk about racism, you're the racist.
If you mention it, that's you bringing up race, which makes you the racist.
That's all that is.
Right, right.
I mean, it really was.
I really do just want to, like, pull that clip and go, like, can you name one white nationalist who believes in critical race theory?
Like, can you name one?
Yeah.
Because you know a few.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, you should be able to just ask.
You should ask.
You should ask Cassandra Fairbanks if she believes in critical race theory.
You should ask her.
Yeah.
James Olsen.
I'm sure you're not friends anymore, but you should ask him.
Ask Faith Goldie.
See if they support critical race theory, if they think that's a thing.
Yeah.
No.
I mean, that's just where it is.
It is kind of open propaganda, and it is open lies.
He can't be that stupid.
I couldn't really find an easy way to kind of clip this, right?
But because he does the thing, the Sargon thing, of I'm reading the news article kind of live, and then when details that I read contradict what I've already said, I just sort of adapt that into the new flow of information Yeah, and it just makes it and then I can just like flip it on his head and make it like suddenly I'm arguing for a like very different thing that I was arguing for 30 seconds ago But it feels like it's all part of like one argument, right?
Yeah.
And he does that.
I mean, he's I think he's a little bit better than Sargon because he does seem to actually read the articles ahead of time because he has to pick and choose the details that he's actually going to read to enforce a particular narrative.
And so, like, you can find him reading a thing and then there's like a sentence that he that contradicts him.
And then he just kind of skips over that.
He goes like blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then moves on to the next paragraph.
But again, that's very difficult to sort of demonstrate in this format, like like what he's doing, like that you need.
Yeah.
And I don't know, there's there's a it's a challenge to really kind of again, much material and he speaks very quickly and he speaks very kind of authoritatively that like you have to like take one video and spend like a couple of hours just like pulling it apart and kind of explaining what the narrative is that he's selling what the premises are
that he's not telling you he has and then like all the other stuff that sort of contradicts sometimes in the very same source that he's using um and it is like exhausting on that level to just sort of like inundate yourself with this much of his material it's it's a it's pretty remarkable so Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's the old thing again, isn't it?
It's easy for them because they can just sit and make shit up.
We're left with the task of just picking through the avalanche of crap and refuting it.
So they just have a structural advantage just in terms of that.
One of the things I had planned to do when I thought I had a little more time to prep for this episode today was to find a video for the day that we recorded.
And find clips from that episode and demonstrate the bullshit.
Like to say, we are recording this on Sunday, October 4th, 2020.
Here's the video he put out 20 minutes ago, and here's why it's wrong.
And it demonstrates everything that you could, and you really could do that.
I just didn't have time to go through and like find like the, the clip and get it, get it set up.
But we could, again, it's like the sort of like Heather Hying and Brett Weinstein stuff and that every video is its own like little, uh, avalanche of horrors is on like a little twisted hall of mirrors that you can like just sort of it's not you can pick through it easily and find the bullshit you just have to be willing to google you know like it's it's uh it's pretty remarkable so um there's so much stuff we didn't even like touch on with this guy
i mean clearly there's just no way to really cover this guy and really the goal here was to describe how a this guy who claims to be like oh i'm of the left i'm a center-left kind of guy i don't really like trump's personality has now gone like full on into full trump territory um yeah because of course he was always going to do that uh yeah with the There's a hilarious video where he's sort of going through.
Oh, yeah.
Look, I mean, you know Yeah, I'm thinking about voting for Trump because he just goes through like the current Trump GOP Manifesto and he's just reading the points.
Oh, that sounds good Yeah, I'm totally I was really gonna use a clip from that and then just decided against it But I wanted to point that that bit out and I wanted to talk about the the sort of the way he's treating The protests and the riots and Antifa and the way that he's this hardcore anti-BLM, hardcore anti-Antifa person, almost to the exclusion of all else.
That's really his main political goal at this point, is get Donald Trump elected by lying about polls.
Anti-Antifa.
Anti-Anti-Protest.
It's straight up fascism.
Regardless of whether he's half-white or wants to smoke weed.
Regardless of that.
And this is how it happens.
This is how it happens.
Absolutely, yeah.
Fascism can't triumph without legions of just these people.
Just these sorts of people doing exactly what he's doing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that about, you know, as you say, you know, do check out the like the Rational Wiki page is a good place to start.
It's a real good sort of starting point to just the, as I say, the catalogue of stupid and dishonest from this guy.
And check out those Jose and Thought Slime and Matt Binder videos.
They're all very good as well.
Lots of links in the in the description if you want more of the lowdown on this ridiculous lying right wing propagandist bastard, basically.
But I think we've touched the most important points for our purposes, anyway.
Definitely.
Hope so, anyway.
Okay, so that was episode 66.
Thank you very much for listening, everybody.
And be sure to tune in next whenever.
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I'm trying to keep us on a weekly schedule, at least for now.
Should be.
Hypothetically, next week, assuming my work doesn't completely overwhelm me again, we will be talking about Chris Cantwell.
And hypothetically, this will be the last Christopher Cantwell episode.
At least, hopefully.
So yeah, that's the plan.
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