A lovely news-roundup episode for you, including some stuff at the end that justifies the title. Content Warnings. Links/Notes: Rachel Sheffield and Robert Rector, "The War on Poverty After 50 Years." The source of Episode 44's "22 trillion dollars" claim. https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/the-war-poverty-after-50-years Christopher Cantwell Trial Docket: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16743597/united-states-v-cantwell/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc Christopher Cantwell Order of Detention Pending Trial: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nhd.53269/gov.uscourts.nhd.53269.20.0.pdf "In this case, the government argued that the defendant’s release posed a risk of flight and danger to the community. After weighing the evidence - taking into consideration the pretrial services report, the parties’ proffers, pleadings, and the testimony of Brett Fernald, FBI Task Force Officer - and balancing the factors laid out in 18 U.S.C. § 3142(g), the court finds that the government met its burden of proof on dangerousness, but failed to show by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant is a flight risk. The government established by clear and convincing evidence that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the safety of any other person and the community. The defendant is charged with crimes that involve threats of violence. The evidence against the defendant, which includes a copy of the threatening communication and defendant’s admission that he sent the message, is strong." Hilary Sargent Twitter: http://twitter.com/lilsarg Hilary Sargent, "United States v. Christopher Cantwell." https://twitter.com/lilsarg/status/1231973006618046464?s=20 Nick Martin, The Informant, "The Atomwaffen Evidence." https://www.informant.news/p/the-atomwaffen-evidence Nick Martin, The Informant, "Key Atomwaffen Member to be Sentenced." https://www.informant.news/p/key-atomwaffen-member-to-be-sentenced Angry White Men. "Far-Right Extremists React to the Coronavirus With Conspiracies and Racist Mockery." https://angrywhitemen.org/2020/02/14/far-right-extremists-react-to-the-coronavirus-with-conspiracies-and-racist-mockery/ Angry White Men, "YouTube Finally Bans Racist Podcaster Nick Fuentes." https://angrywhitemen.org/2020/02/15/youtube-finally-bans-racist-podcaster-nick-fuentes/ AFPAC videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/Jrgnj15/videos Twenty-seven second clip of Michelle Malkin spewing Nazi talking points at AFPC: https://twitter.com/JewishWorker/status/1234216230136971265?s=20 Wikipedia page for "In Defense of Internment," by Michelle Malkin, 2004. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Defense_of_Internment Michael Bloomberg on Stop-and-Frisk in 2015. https://twitter.com/parscale/status/1227236086176518144 "You are arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities. Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why do we do it? Because that's where all the crime is. And the way you get the guns out of the kids' hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them." Bloomberg Press Conference 2013 declaring intention to appeal ruling that Stop and Frisk was unconstitutional in NY State. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8BMrF7r8Y NPI/Radix, "Based Bloomberg?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Vqams8FVI
Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham, and my friend Daniel Harper have conversations about the far-right's conversations.
Every episode comes with a big content warning.
And welcome to episode 45.
I've got the number right this time of I Don't Speak German.
45, one number past the optimum.
44, which is half of 88.
Number games, the hallmark of the mature.
And, yeah, it's a bit of a news roundup episode this time.
We're going to give it a provocative title, which, if you're listening to this, you already know what we call it.
But it's a bit of a general news roundup episode, sounds like.
And, yeah, to do that for us, to round up that pesky news, I have with me, as usual, my colleague Daniel Harper.
Great to be here, as always.
It's good of you, it's good of you to take time out of your schedule.
It's good of me to take time to do my podcast.
Yeah, it's good to have you on as a guest.
Good to have me on as the occasional guest.
I've only done 45 of these so far, so.
That's right, yeah.
45 is a good number.
I mean, you know, it reminds me of a good year anyway, when we killed lots of Nazis.
Including the one, you know, the one who took care of himself.
Best, you know, you know.
Like the coward that he was.
That was a Hitler reference for anyone who wasn't following that.
That's right.
Just in case Hitler killed himself in his bunker, or so the mainstream historians, the cucks, will have you believe.
That's right.
The real truth is that he did kill himself in a bunker, but it wasn't until 1963, after he killed JFK.
That's right.
Okay, we've got to move on here, because pretty soon people are going to start believing us.
Or just switch off, I think that's probably going to happen first.
Yeah, so, news roundup episode.
And I think, first of all, we have to take care of a little blooper, a little mistake from last time.
Even we make mistakes, it turns out.
Well, it turns out that when I'm quoting a half-remembered piece of Googling I did three years ago, that I get some of the details wrong.
And I just didn't think we were going to get into the details of that $22 trillion number, and so I kind of wung it in the moment, and then literally after we stopped recording that night... Wung it?
Wung it?
Is that the past tense of winging it?
I'm an American, I can say it however I want to.
We wing-chung it, as far as I'm concerned.
Fine, fine, fuck up my language, that's fine.
We've only been doing that for a few hundred years, Jack.
You can't blame me for being the barefoot barbarian on this show.
No, I decided to wing it and to fuck that up slightly.
I mean in the large details it was correct.
The issue is 22 trillion dollars are spent on black people over the course of so many years.
I said it was an American Enterprise Institute calculation and that it was complete horseshit.
It is complete horseshit.
It isn't quite as much horseshit as I implied on the previous episode.
I have linked to a quote-unquote white paper by Rachel Sheffield and Robert Rector who have made it their life's work to destroy the war on poverty.
And you can read the actual thing for yourself.
It is from the Heritage Foundation, not AEI, so a completely different batshit, crazy, shitty, right-wing organization pushing libertarian talking points and blaming the poor for their misfortune.
Completely separate, and it didn't include everything since the New Deal.
It's only counting from 1965 the War on Poverty programs put in place by Lyndon Johnson.
Um, and they're only counting, like, means tested, so they're not counting things like social security.
So it's not quite as extreme as I sort of made it sound, and I knew, talking, I'm like, there's some detail I'm missing, because this doesn't sound quite right.
Um, this has been- The thing is that, like, all this stuff, like, these right- these white papers get put out, and then right-wing sources just spread them around.
And then they get sort of debunked in, you know, sort of the liberal press and, you know, like somebody kind of looks at it and goes, well, this is complete nonsense for a lot of reasons.
But the sheer number of people who duplicate the initial, like, all the, like, bottom feeding sites, like Town Hall and World Net Daily and all that sort of thing.
Just sort of like spam the links out there.
And so if you google this, it's almost impossible to find someone refuting this particular study.
But it has been well refuted, I assure you.
And serious people do not take this seriously at all.
It's still counting things that have no right to count and all that sort of nonsense.
And even if it was a wealth transfer from white people to black people, which it's not, Daniel, did you know that the Irish were the first slaves?
You know, et cetera, et cetera.
So it's completely nonsense.
I shouldn't even be addressing it, except I did want to correct the record on that.
And so, you know, that's where we land.
And if you want to read the whole thing and make fun of it for yourself, the link is the very first one in the show notes.
So go ahead.
Daniel, did you know that the Irish were the first slaves?
Did you know that?
I think, what's his name?
Liam Hogan has spent, like, you know, years there.
His entire life!
His entire life!
He's got like one Twitter thread he keeps adding to every, you know, few weeks.
It literally goes back to like 2015 or something.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, let's just skip that one for now.
And just move on to Cantwell News.
Cantwell News.
Cantwell News.
Lovely.
Yeah, we haven't had enough of that.
We haven't had enough of that lately.
Well, so he's in jail, as we know.
We did a whole episode kind of talking about that.
And he did have a hearing, like an order of detention hearing.
So essentially, is he going to get to get out on bail or is he going to have to stay in prison or stay in jail while he's awaiting trial?
I am a very strong, like, no cash bail kind of person.
I think you should need, like, extreme circumstances to lock somebody up against their will when they haven't even been convicted of anything.
I do think Cantwell passes that test with flying colors, just based on the number of things he's said.
But he has been ordered to remain in detention up to his trial, which at the earliest will be, like, at the end of March.
And most likely will be much, much later.
Almost nobody actually does the 70-day speedy trial thing, because especially if you've got a public defender, you just don't have time to collect your evidence by then.
So he will be in jail for some length of time, barring some kind of appeal.
but I'm just going to read from, so I put a link to his trial docket if you want to kind of follow this to the, there's this site called Court Listener and this recap software, which actually if somebody buys the, downloads the documents and has this like a browser extension installed, downloads the documents and has this like a browser extension installed, it just becomes free for anybody to get to And almost all of these like high profile cases, people do kind of pay for that and kind of put it out there for you.
So I put a link if you do want to go and actually look at all these documents for yourself.
You can, you can learn everything you want to know about what's going on in Cantwell's legal woes.
But I am going to read just a little bit from this order of detention pending trial.
And so it says, in this case, the government argued that the defendant's release posed a risk of flight and danger to the community.
After weighing the evidence, taking into consideration the pretrial services report, the parties proffers, pleadings, and testimony of an FBI task force officer, and balancing the factors laid out in such and such section, The court finds that the government met its burden of proof on dangerousness, but failed to show by proportion of the evidence that the defendant is a flight risk.
The government established by clear and convincing evidence that there are no conditions that will reasonably assure the safety of any other person and the community.
The defendant is charged with crimes and involve threats of violence.
The evidence against the defendant, and here's the money bit, which includes a copy of the threatening communication and defendant's admission that he sent the message, is strong.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd say a signed confession is pretty strong.
One of the things that... Well, sometimes.
It's not always, but... Right, right.
No, no.
But certainly in this case...
So I'm going to just recommend, if you're not following Hillary Sargent on Twitter, if you're on Twitter and not following Hillary Sargent, you absolutely should be.
She's great, kind of activist journalist type, doing a lot of the great work.
That's atlilsarge, I believe.
Atlilsarge, yep.
Her gift game is top notch.
I think we're going to invite her on the show just to talk about how great her gift game is.
Because she's pretty amazing at that.
She's actually covering...
She lives within a couple hours driving distance of the trial, so she's been kind of covering it day by day.
I put a couple of links to both her Twitter and to a Medium post that she's kind of collecting out of her Twitter threads, kind of talking about this stuff.
If you want to follow this intimately, that's the place to go to kind of follow this intimately.
So please go check her out.
She has been invited on the show.
I think that's going to happen at some point in the near or distant future to talk maybe about Cantwell and maybe about other things.
There's plenty of stuff to talk about.
Among the things that you learn in this document, and in this kind of process, since we've last talked about Cantwell, is that the Feds discovered 17 guns in his home, one of which was stored in a little box underneath his car, and he lives within a few hundred feet of a school.
Yeah.
So first of all, the idea that Chris Cantwell lives a few hundred feet from the school is slightly disturbing.
Yeah, exactly.
Just by itself, you know, without guns undercars.
Right.
And to be clear, one of the things that I mean, this is something that we kind of run into, and this gets into like very far afield for this podcast.
You know, there's a lot of, you know, almost everyone in this country lives within a certain distance of a school.
Like, a fairly close distance if you live in a suburb or a city.
Trying to stay outside of, you know, 2,000 feet or something like that is almost impossible without, like, literally being outside of a city.
I'm pretty sure I live within a thousand feet of a school, you know.
So it is one of those like kind of, you know, slightly overstated.
It does seem like the school was kind of literally across the street or something to that effect.
So he lives a little bit closer than most people.
Yeah, they did find alcohol.
They found what appear to be drugs, although those have not been tested yet.
So there's no kind of concrete.
We don't really know exactly what they found, but they found a whole lot of incriminating shit.
And we're just kind of all waiting with bated breath to see what this trial is going to reveal.
So great.
That's where we land on poor Mr. Cantwell.
Hopefully we won't talk about him again for a while.
That's not going to happen.
We'll definitely talk about him again soon.
I was going to say, we can always hope.
Yeah, I've been following his buddy Jared Howe, who's like the last friend he has in the world, except for apparently his girlfriend.
Apparently he has, there's a romantic partner, or at least we're kind of presuming was a romantic partner.
So, poor woman, or possibly she's just as bad.
I mean, who knows?
Yeah, the precedents are not on her side, I have to say.
Right.
And so Jared Howe is this, you know, other, you know, former libertarian, current Nazi shithead podcast guy, and he's the one who sort of runs, like, whenever Cantwell wants to go and whine about his circumstances over the phone and have it broadcast on an internet radio, Jared Howe is the one who's sort of managing that process.
We have gotten a little bit of audio from him, nothing since the detention hearing, but I suspect that's not going to be too much longer until we're going to get to hear more from Mr. Cantwell.
And Hal is kind of delightful because he's calling the narrative that Cantwell both threatened people and admitted to threatening people is the Bowl Patrol narrative.
And so again, you and I and the FBI and, you know, everyone in the world except for, like, Chris Cantwell and, like, a handful of Chris Cantwell's buddies is all working together with the Bowl Patrol to fuck over Chris.
That's clearly what's happening here.
That's it, yeah.
Yeah, he's rumbled us.
He's got us.
He's got us.
He's too clever for us.
I would have gotten away with it too if I hadn't been for those meddling Chris Cantwells.
Yep, indeed.
So yeah, moving on, just kind of a very brief thing here, and I'm not even really going to talk about this, but there have been a number of Atomwaffen Division arrests and sort of legal processes that are kind of going along there.
I'm going to point you to Nick Martin.
He's a friend of the pod.
You know somebody you know I chat with him He's the one who wrote the kind of original Daily Beast article where I think a lot of you found this podcast And he's running the informant now And he has actually actually paid like $50 for the for some of the evidence in the some of the trials For these Atomwaffen defendants and has kind of put that up for people to view So I've included a link to that and I've included a his kind of news roundup
about sort of the current goings on around these kind of Atomwaffen arrests.
I'm not going to read any of this.
I just want to kind of put it out there so that people can click on it if they're aware and also to kind of point people to Nick Martin.
There is kind of continuing legal movement happening on these kind of terrorist groups.
And I think some of the stuff that's interesting there is just the way that, like with the base arrests, the way that some of the other figures in the kind of broader movement are responding to this.
I mean, the standard line is, oh, well, these are like FBI agents who are influencing people.
You know, they're kind of framing people.
They're setting people up to do things and then saying, like, oh, you know, we're None of this is organically coming from the members of these groups themselves or the FBI setting this all up.
Which is exactly what they say about the church bombings and things like that in the 60s.
I want to be clear, you and I are not great fans of the FBI.
Or the, you know, law enforcement regime.
You know, if it turns out that that's true, that I will be the first one to champion that and say that that's fucked up and that this has been a travesty of justice.
I mean, we know for a fact that some of this stuff does happen.
If the indictments are even like 10% accurate.
That's not at all what's going on here.
And from background evidence that I have personally collected, that's definitely not what's going on here.
But anyway, that's sort of the reality behind that.
So yeah, again, I'm not going to read anything of that.
Links in the show notes.
Go check it out.
That's where I'm going to send you right now.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, Nick Martin doing good work.
Pretty much all on his own, and he's run a bit ragged, so pay him or help him.
I have chatted with him.
I mean, he's not even charging for the informant right now.
I mean, right now it's a free product.
He is eventually going to kind of move that to, you know, like kind of a partly free, partly, you know, like behind a paywall sort of thing.
Get it while you can, and definitely when it does come time to support him financially, I will absolutely be doing so.
So, you know.
Yeah, totally.
Definitely, highly recommend it.
Again, friend of the pod, someone who is doing really, really back-breaking work in terms of covering this stuff.
Responsibly, like a true journalist should.
Yeah.
There's not many of them out there, so treasure the ones you have.
And like us, who basically just shitpost about this stuff and then just go, oh yeah, I fucked that up, I gotta go fix that.
It's lovely to have no consequences for making mistakes.
You know, it would be nice if there were no... I mean, actually, it would not be nice to have no consequences.
I'm very glad when people send me corrections.
Speak for yourself!
Well, I will speak for myself.
I actually do appreciate it when people send me corrections, especially when people find the bits where I said something I shouldn't say or where I had some kind of factual mistake.
I actually do, I joke around, I do try to kind of double-check stuff, but part of the point of the podcast is that it's a little more casual, and so errors of fact do kind of slip in here and there.
But we do try to correct those.
But Nick is top-notch.
I've seen him work, and everything is by the book.
So you can really rely on his reporting for sure.
So please go support him.
Yeah, and we have further on in our news roundup, we have some news about a very big story, international story, the coronavirus. - Coronavirus.
Yes.
I hate to just kind of run through this stuff.
Did you know that coronavirus means the base in Arabic?
No, it means that in Mexican, that's why you can't buy Corona beer anymore.
Did you hear?
Corona beer have announced a huge loss in the last little while.
They have announced huge losses.
Their actual year-to-date numbers... Oh, don't spoil it for me.
...to their, like, the legally binding things that they can't actually rely on for fear of being fucked over by the FEC and other organizations.
Indicate that they are, like, up 3% over last year, so... They're doing perfectly fine.
Spoiling it for me.
Well, I mean, it is, it is like, you know, because the immediate thing is, you know, like, oh, coronavirus, Corona beer sales down 38%, or 38% of people say they won't drink the Corona beer, and it's like, how many people are actually drinking it now?
Who, you know, like... Who the hell's drinking that shit now?
It's amazingly popular in the United States.
I mean, I sold alcohol for a while and it is, people drink it.
Let's be clear about that.
It's fully saturated, especially around Cinco de Mayo, which is, this is how we celebrate ethnic holidays in the United States, is getting completely shit-faced.
That's the answer.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so, um, so yeah, the coronavirus, huge story, um, in some ways overblown, in some ways probably underblown, and there's a whole lot going on and we're not gonna really talk about what the coronavirus is.
I mean, we try to keep these, um, you know, to some degree kind of timeless, but I guess the News Roundup episodes are just kind of kind of assume you kind of are basically aware that there's a, there's a virus, there's this flu-like symptoms that have spread from China.
They are now kind of like isolated cases are popping up around the world and Nazis are responding to this with, well, with all that you know about Nazis, I'm wondering how would you like to guess that the myriad responses have been over the course of the last like three or four weeks?
I was just going to say, I raise the coronavirus for a reason.
We do have a reason to be talking about it that fits in with our remit.
We're not going all mainstream in general.
We're talking about it because it has relation to our subject, which is Nazis.
It's got to be the Jews, surely.
It's all a Jewish plot, isn't it?
Well, okay, beyond that, because yes, you are correct.
It's always a Jewish plot.
Because that underlies everything.
That's just cheating.
When you ask me, you know, what are the Nazis saying?
If I say, it's the Jews, I'm cheating, because they think that about everything.
Right, yeah, it's a little bit like, so what do you think Buttigieg did today?
And the answer is, like, breathe oxygen.
You are 95% likely to be correct.
Got paid by the CIA.
I'm certainly not.
Allegedly.
Responsible journalism we're doing here.
Welcome to Truanon, everybody.
So what would you guess the Nazi response to the coronavirus has been?
Oh, I couldn't guess.
Tell me.
Okay.
There have been multiple, which is also why you really can't be far wrong by guessing whatever it is.
First of all, there was this kind of like flash-in-the-pan movement to where everyone on all their social media platforms in this kind of like little fucked-up online community was changing their, was drawing like little cartoon hazmat suits around their avatars.
So, um, because, like, you know, oh, we just want to keep this, like, disgusting virus away from us, and so it just kind of became this thing, like, um, you know, all the Nazis, like, so you get, like, grippers with, like, hazmat suits on, and, you know, like, like, clown world stuff with hazmat suits on.
Oh, right, okay, so it's like, you know, being puerile online is the answer to the... See, I always overthink.
Well, that's the immediate response.
Also, there were... Attacking Asian-looking people wearing masks in the street?
Oh no, everybody's doing that.
Yeah, no, everyone's doing that too.
Lots of videos being shared.
There was this bat soup video that wasn't even from China, it turned out.
It was from Palau, which is an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, near the Philippines.
A thousand miles from mainland China.
But, you know, who can tell?
I mean, come on.
Who?
Who cares about basic geography?
Who cares about those kinds of details?
Yeah.
Details.
Mere details.
Lots of people really sounding the alarm on the coronavirus thing.
It's kind of... They seem to be split between, this is all overblown, this is just trying to... It's obviously fake news, right?
It's obviously the coronavirus isn't like...
Yeah, but it's it's fake news It's meant to kind of gauge the public response for like the real thing where they're gonna kind of go after white people with some weird virus Oh, yeah, like FEMA camps and all that stuff feeds right back into kind of that Patriot movement That's kind of what you're seeing on a little more the old-school side of
The newer guys are starting to, I mean obviously it's, you know, it becomes an excuse for anti-immigration, for anti, you know, any kind of movement, any kind of travel from any place that isn't 99% white and any person that isn't white.
So it becomes not just like these scary people are eating, you know, weird foods.
Um, which are, I mean, they were showing like videos of like people eating rats.
Like, like, you know, whole rats on and like street vendors and that sort of thing.
And like, some of that does happen.
Like, let's not pretend it doesn't, but that's certainly not like the mainstream thing that's like happening on those.
Like, I know people, like, I am close to people who have gone to these like street vendors and the overwhelming majority of them are like incredibly clean because they have to be.
Because you can literally see every bit of thing that's happening to your food before you eat it, you know?
But this, like, stereotype that, like, well, Chinese people are just, like, kind of gross and disgusting and they don't bathe, et cetera, et cetera, and therefore, you know, all this stuff.
So it's this, like, I hate to, like, stereotype as a way to, like, defend the stereotype, but also, like, a lot of this food is, like, you know, cooked in, like, boiling spices, like these hot pot kind of concepts, you know, where, like, nothing lives in that.
Like, you know, there's no like pathogen that can survive that level of spice.
Like that's, it is just like this kind of like, um, the idea that like this, but the idea that it's like foreign and disgusting and that it's, it's, you know, people are just eating weird foods.
If you remember that like scene from like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?
Where they eat monkeys' brains and eyeballs and shit.
Where they eat monkeys' brains and eyeballs and live snakes, or they slice up the snake's belly and eat the entrails and all that sort of thing.
It's that, but taken beyond even that racist level to actual sociopolitical discourse.
It's almost literally just that, again.
So, that's great.
And so, you know, it's... Some people were saying... So they're just using it as an excuse to go, eww, people who aren't me, eww, again.
Exactly.
And people who aren't me, they have different customs.
And it's like, look, those are, you know, the more polite among them are saying, like, look, those are their customs.
They eat the heads off of bats.
I don't do that.
But, like, I don't know why we should have to share a system of government.
If they want to do that over in their place, they should do that.
But they shouldn't come here.
And this, like, logic of, you know, They're bringing diseases of like there are these all these people and like some tiny percentage of them may have some disease that we could easily treat in like a modern health care system.
Although this becomes its own thing because the United States in no way has a modern health care system, right?
Doesn't have one, yeah.
Which makes it uniquely terrifying to be an American right now, you know.
So there's that.
Believe me, it's not going to spread as fast in Chinese street food vendors as it is among Americans working three jobs in the service industry because that's the only way they can pay rent.
And they can't ever take a day off.
Anybody who's ever worked in the service industry or knows people who have in the United States knows exactly how hard, exactly how fast this stuff is going to spread if it actually does become like endemic or epidemic in the United States.
It's going to be really bad because nobody can afford to go to a doctor.
That's right.
You know what they're doing in South Korea?
They have drive-up stations where they'll test you and give you an actual test that is accurate, that works for the coronavirus, for free.
You can just drive up and they'll test you.
In the United States, the test doesn't work because the Trump administration did the Republican thing of completely unregulating the healthcare people who were supposed to be tracking this.
And it cost $3,000 for a test that actually doesn't work.
So this is gonna go great for all of us. - Because capitalism is a very rational way of allocating resources.
I mean, we just can't afford these things.
As Michael Bloomberg said, you know, that we just can't afford these things.
They're not affordable.
A man who's got $65 billion.
These things are not affordable.
And basically, if you're old and you get sick, you know, basically just fuck off and die.
That's the American way.
The overall discourse around the coronavirus and just sort of the way it's happening is really infuriating and kind of fascinating.
And it's deeply, deeply fucked up.
But yeah, that's sort of the way the far right is treating it.
I mean, they're basically just using it as an excuse to, you know, confirm their biases.
Yeah, as a stick to beat all the people that they usually beat.
Yeah, exactly.
And then, you know, of course you get the, like, well, you know, black people and, like, Hispanic people are not compliant to doctors in the way that white people are, so white people are basically going to be fine, but maybe it's a thing that's, like, designed to actively hunt out white people and it's like this kind of like genetic disease and lots of conspiracies about like uh you know targeted uh genetic diseases and like this came from like a like some super lab in china and that sort of thing so so um i'm gonna keep tracking that and kind of see what's going on it's only gonna get bigger
i'm sure um and it's i'm getting flashbacks to those ron paul newsletters that said hiv had been invented in a lab oh yeah To kill straight people.
Yeah, we're gonna hear about this forever.
I mean, it could end tomorrow, and we're just gonna hear, it's gonna be an endless cycle of conspiracism for the rest of our lives.
That's just what's gonna happen.
Hooray!
Yep.
Congratulations.
Isn't it great?
We're watching it in real time.
And if you're in particular spaces on Twitter or Telegram, you're seeing this, and it's truly bizarre.
So yeah.
People of the future, if this survives and you're listening to this post the apocalypse, I'm so sorry.
I'm just so sorry.
We tried.
This was the thing we tried.
This was the thing we tried, and maybe this was not enough.
I mean, obviously this was not enough, but we were trying to tell people, you know?
That's right.
Don't blame me.
It's not my fault.
It's everybody else.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So anyway, talking about ignorant little bigots, I think we've got to move on to Nick Fuentes.
We need to move on to Nick Fuentes, who was finally banned from YouTube, and in a detail that was not kind of covered very much a lot of his, uh, like the clip sites, like the, the, the YouTube channels that were collecting his stuff and sort of like highlighting it and, um, putting out little clips.
So there, there were quite a few of these that I've been following and, um, I'm not even going to name them because some of them are gone and some of them are still up.
And I check them every, you know, uh, every day, sometimes twice a day just to see, you know, kind of what's up and what's not.
Um, I'm trying to kind of keep grabbing everything that I can.
Uh, but yeah, Nick Fuentes, uh, banned from YouTube.
Finally.
Um, he has now kind of gone over to D live and that kind of became a moment of like people, um, you know, kind of arguing about, uh, you know, well, not even Nick Fuentes with his like quote unquote great optics can survive on But Nick Fuentes, and this is something, I mean, we do have to kind of like recover some of this.
We did a Nick Fuentes and James Alsup episode, and that episode is completely out of date at this point.
Definitely.
Everything that I said at that point was true up to that point, but they have both kind of moved on significantly.
We did update a little bit on Fuentes in the Groyper War episode.
In the Groyper War episode, yeah.
But it's almost worth kind of like revisiting who, it's almost worth redoing that episode because he has moved so far from where he was.
At the moment that he was banned from YouTube, he was almost certainly the single largest figure within these kind of like white nationalists, white nationalists adjacent, whether you want to call Nick Fuentes a white nationalist or not.
I mean, if you want to, you know, quibble over that.
But I'm perfectly happy calling him a white nationalist.
I have plenty of evidence to that effect.
Even since his YouTube has been deleted, he's definitely a white nationalist.
He's basically a Nazi.
Like, it's fine.
But he was almost certainly the single biggest account in that space.
He still has a BitChute.
They all still have a BitChute.
And he's been kind of livestreaming to DLive.
It's very difficult to grab DLive in bulk form as I want to do, so I have to do them one by one.
And so that's been like, it just annoys me.
When these guys get de-platformed and they don't put their stuff in an easy-to-get place for me.
You know, come on.
Make my life easier.
Play the game, guys.
Come on.
This is probably your most loyal follower.
Come on.
I mean, for some of these guys, that's probably true.
That's probably very true.
Maybe not for Little Nicky.
Yeah, not for Little Nicky.
He has absolutely I mean, his fans are intense.
I speak from experience on this.
And he's got a lot of them.
I mean, he's a big, big name.
And right now he's doing this thing called AFPAC, America First Political Action Committee.
To occur the same weekend of CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Committee, which CPAC is kind of like the big kind of thing that movers and shakers in Republican politics in the United States do every year.
A lot of your kind of like right-wing drifters like Tommy Lauren has spoken there.
I mean Trump spoke at CPAC this year.
It's kind of the big thing that you go to.
It's in DC and Last year, Fuentes showed up, and they wouldn't let him in the door.
And so this year, post-Graper War, his big idea was, we're going to start the America First Political Action Committee.
Which, America First is kind of his brand.
And that's sort of what he's doing now, as we speak.
There are like speeches kind of happening.
I don't know if it's happening like this second, but let's this weekend I saw a lot of people kind of covering that on Twitter I'm gonna have to kind of go dig through some videos We might kind of do a wrap-up video and kind of do a little bit of that.
I You know, in a week or two.
Just kind of see if there's anything kind of interesting there.
But that's being done with not just kind of people who are in this kind of Zoomer age group Nazi world, but one Michelle Malkin.
Do you remember Michelle Malkin?
It rings a bell, yeah.
If I were to tell you the words, in defense of internment, would that mean anything to you?
You're really putting me on the spot this week.
I'm an old man with a poor memory, come on.
It's also past midnight where you are, so I'm gonna... And I'm ill, I'm still ill, everybody.
Oh, well, I do, I do.
Here I am, trying to kind of play games with Jack.
Really, I just like it when Jack talks more on these podcasts, because I feel like when I go back and listen to them, it's like, God, I just drone on and on forever.
You're the only one who likes it when I talk more.
I see your Twitter fans.
I know that for a fact that's not true.
So Michelle Malkin, she was born in America.
She is of a Philippine descent.
Both of her parents are Filipino.
And she kind of came of age in the early 2000s, post 9/11, kind of being the, I don't want to say the second tier Ann Coulter because she was just as bad as Ann Coulter, but sort of Ann Coulter with a less white twist, but sort of Ann Coulter with a less white twist, I guess.
She got to say certain things on conservative media and go unchallenged because of her ethnic heritage.
And the In Defense of Internment is a book she wrote in 2004, her second book.
Um, published by, uh, uh, Regnery Press, which, if you recall, uh, the Regnery Dynasty are the same people who funded Richard Spencer back in the day, and still fund, uh, the MPI, um, as far as I'm aware.
Um, but they have a press, and a lot of the kind of, like, right-wing but not quite Nazis, uh, publish their books through there, and, uh, Michelle Malkin is one of them.
But, uh, In Defense of a German is literally a book-length, uh, legal argument, Yes.
Yes, I've got it now.
sort of political argument about why internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II was all fine and dandy.
Oh, yes.
I've got it now.
And because she is visibly not white, she got a pass from a whole lot of people to make that argument.
That can't possibly be a racist argument because her parents were from the Philippines.
That makes perfect sense.
That's exactly how that works, exactly.
So yeah, that's Michelle Malkin.
And she used that specifically as a defense of the use of torture and the use of the Guantanamo Bay And that sort of thing, in terms of the tactics of attacking the war on terror.
So coming from this very kind of neo-con-ish world of like actively defending the actions of the Bush administration, through this kind of racialized and through this like, well the state can do what it wants to kind of lens, she's kind of taking the same turn that Ann Coulter did.
Ann Coulter did it a few years ago.
Of kind of like leaning into this kind of paleo-conservative, more quote-unquote America first ideology Within the kind of mainstream conservative movement.
Michelle Malkin has kind of gone in it in a really big way And she is speaking at America first PAC at FPAC You know yesterday Yeah, so that's great, and I've got a
You know, a Twitter, a little video on Twitter, posted here, it's a 27th, second clip of Pashalos Malkin spewing Nazi talking points, literally brushing right up against Holocaust denial, lots of blaming Sordos and the ADL for... Yeah, I saw this.
Yeah, no, it's pretty, the dog whistles are not dog, the dog whistles are just whistles, you know, with this one.
It's not anti-Semitic to accuse...
Jewish people of loyalty to Israel above their own nation.
That's not a that's not an anti-semitic trove at all Right and and people will to be clear.
That's not me saying that's me parodying her position So yeah, Michelle Malkin was one of the few who like kind of win Nick Fuentes during the corporate war kind of moment Uh, she was all in favor of a Nicky boy there.
Mostly on the kind of, he has the right to speak sort of thing, but increasingly just like, yeah, no, he's got some valid points and we should be kind of covering this.
And so she's kind of leaning into the Nazis real hard right now.
And so, yeah, we're definitely tracking that.
I mean, some part of me makes me want to do like a michelle malkin episode or something um just almost like a palette cleanser you know from the kind of more explicit nazis um but she has shows you how dirty our palette is that shows you how uh that shows you how um but she has been very well covered um since the bush years um you know yeah a long time david it's kind of the same thing has talked about her many many times so you know yeah
It's kind of the same thing why we don't do Ben Shapiro.
You know, it's been very well done.
Right.
And it's not really quite our remit.
Although I think, you know, Michelle Malkin clearly is cosying up to the people who fall squarely in our remit, which is, you know, something that more and more of these borderline respectable conservatives are doing.
And it's alarming.
It's very alarming.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of what we're going to end up seeing.
The merging, yeah.
This kind of, I mean, I think as the kind of presidential election kind of moves forward, and this is kind of moving us into, you know, we, I try not to do a lot of electoral politics here, right?
Like, we're not going to, like, if you've been on my Twitter account, you know how I feel about the presidential election.
I was trying very hard not to talk openly about, like, um electoral politics and then things started pissing me off and so uh you know but but this podcast is not a place for that i think i think our feelings on this topic are very well uh understood without necessarily having to put them make them explicit well you know certainly if you follow us on twitter i think you probably got the odd hint yeah well i think it's
Well, I think if you get our general leftist persuasion, even if you kind of don't get our, you know, specifically where we land on the, you know, you and I, not that, I mean, you don't live in the United States, but, you know, like, I am not going to be voting for Joe Biden.
Let's put it that way.
No more than I will.
I won't vote for Joe Biden either.
Certainly not in the primary.
I won't vote for Joe Biden either.
Yeah, we are probably equally likely.
I tell you what, whoever gets the nomination, I'm not voting Democrat.
Fair enough, fair enough.
You know, aren't you gonna vote blue no matter who, Jack?
No, it's fine.
No, I'm gonna vote nobody no matter who.
I'm abstaining from the American general election.
I'm not taking part.
You can blame me if Trump wins again.
I'll be the new Susan Sarandon.
I don't care.
You'll be the new Jill Stein.
You'll be the Ralph Nader of 2020.
Jack Graham did not vote from England.
That's right.
So yeah, we don't like to do a whole lot of like kind of electoral politics.
We mostly kind of cover them as they are, as they kind of feed into this kind of far-right movement that we cover.
But I think the moment, this this kind of moment that we're having with Michael Bloomberg is really interesting.
And this was something that was recommended to me by Someone who's been on the show, I mean, I'll say, you know, C.V.
Fethullah Haddad had said to me, you know, kind of recommended to me that kind of to discuss the sort of the nature of sort of Jewishness and the sort of like flexible nature of Jewishness within these kind of far right movements as people kind kind of recommended to me that kind of to discuss the sort of the nature of sort of Jewishness and the sort of like flexible nature of Jewishness within these kind of far right movements
Like someone like Stephen Miller, who is overt white nationalist shithead, ethnically Jewish, one of the worst people, possibly the single worst person in the Trump White House, personal friends with Richard Spencer.
Um, the fact that he's ethnically Jewish, uh, does not affect his willingness to, um, deport, uh, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't feed into that narrative that these guys have about, like, what the Jews are like, right?
Um, and so they kind of just don't talk about that, like, they don't trust him, but they definitely are not, like, they wouldn't want him to leave.
because he's doing the things they're doing.
And so they just kind of allied that kind of detail about him to a certain degree.
And there are other people, like the guy who coined the term alternative right, you know, Paul Gottfried is ethnically Jewish.
And I believe a practicing Jew.
I may be wrong about that.
But so the idea that there are not sort of like Jewish people that agree with them, like even about like the most horrific things that they believe, I mean, some of these guys are actually even openly anti-Semitic, who are ethnically Jewish.
But they don't trust them at all.
I am not the person to discuss in detail what Jewishness means within this, for a lot of reasons.
The first and last of which is I'm not Jewish myself and I'm not an expert in that kind of thing.
Even kind of like some of the things that we just sort of were forced to get into on this podcast lead me into places where I'd rather not feel like I'm speaking with any kind of authority or even don't want to put my foot in my mouth for people of like marginalized identities, etc.
Where Gentiles fear to tread.
Exactly.
But this whole Michael Bloomberg thing I think is really interesting because, again, he's a figure.
So earlier this month, on like February 11th or so, there was about 20 seconds of audio From 2015 this seems to be from a like kind of a private kind of a glad handing, you know kind of Thing from from donors.
I'm not sure exactly what the background of this audio is.
And I actually linked to Brad Parscale's Twitter, who had the video easily available.
Brad Parscale is working for the Trump campaign.
So sorry to send you to Brad Parscale for this.
But the video is right there, and you can watch it.
And it is kind of amusing to see Trump attacking, or to see a Trump surrogate attacking Bloomberg for a thing that Trump actually believes.
But this is Bloomberg on Stop and Frisk in 2015.
You're arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities.
Yes, that's true.
Why?
Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods.
Yes, that's true.
Why do we do it?
Because that's where all the crime is.
And the way you get the guns out of the kids hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them.
And so this is a stop and frisk is this this program it predates Bloomberg but Bloomberg really leaned hard into it really kind of pushing this idea that you know The New York City police needed to be used as a base.
I mean, effectively an active police state against the minority populations, particularly the young male, the young black male population of New York City.
And the whole idea is that, I mean, essentially people were just getting harassed over nothing.
We're just like being stopped and and searched over for no evidence like completely violating people's Basic civil rights and this was a hugely controversial Program for the entire time that it ran And this is Bloomberg openly defending it in 2015 He has kind of apologized for it somewhat since he is trying to run for the Democratic presidential nomination but he
It's all bullshit.
I mean, even his kind of apology is just kind of a half-apology.
And he's like, well, I've run since then, and I stopped it, and it became... But, like, in 2013, the New York State Supreme Court declared that stop-and-frisk was unconstitutional, and Bloomberg directed his, like, legal team to appeal that decision.
And I linked to a press conference where he describes in much detail the need for stop-and-frisk.
Knowing that is an explicitly racist program knowing that's exactly what it's going to do and like and the thing is and this is what's interesting here Is that despite the fact that like Michael Bloomberg is a Jewish billionaire who made his money?
Selling Bloomberg Bloomberg terminals to Wall Street Are you familiar with the Bloomberg Bloomberg terminals?
Yes, I am.
Yes.
I have one.
Do you?
Yeah, I have two.
Oh, wow.
So you're a stock trader?
I had no idea.
We're learning so many things.
Yeah, I play The Sims on it.
Oh, OK.
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Now, these are basically overpriced chunk of junk these days, but it was sort of a marker of status among stock traders years ago.
And they were effectively like this, this sort of like technology that would kind of track stocks in real time.
And now everything's done on the Internet.
Everything's done.
Like nobody needs one of these anymore.
But this is how he built his billion-dollar fortune.
He has Bloomberg News, which is a TV channel, a cable channel, and a website, and maybe a newspaper.
He's got his own media organization.
I sit in front of me, I have a mailer, I'm going to show this to Jack that I got in my mail today.
That is a couple of days ago before the last primary.
It's about 18 inches by 12 inches or so.
This is a giant double-sided glossy mailer.
Michael Bloomberg has literally spent like 400 million dollars running for president um you know they say people try to buy uh buy the office um no one has do this done this more than michael bloomberg has literally just like saturating everything with money uh as a way of winning this and here's what's interesting about this to me is that um the nazis are kind of on board with this
like um there's a there's a uh video from richard spencer um it's uh on his uh npi channel uh it's called based bloomberg with a question mark and it talks about like how like well yeah the stop and frisk program it's about like policing black people that's what that's what it's supposed to do like he's just being honest about that he's just being that's just reality right like this is this is sort of his his perspective and uh wouldn't it be better if we're just gonna have like neoliberalism why don't we just have like the king of the neoliberals
why not just have bloomberg come in and be like well we're we're gonna run this as a neoliberal thing and that's just what we're gonna do and oh we're we're okay with neoliberalism when it's a hyper authoritarian police state that you know enforces racial inequality we like that bit right exactly exactly it's a very interesting thing that's what we're doing It's like, you know, there's this people get really like bent out of shape about like what Richard Spencer like says about like electoral politics and
Because people don't really understand that Richard Spencer like draws so much of his like what he says is based on like kind of gut feelings and like this kind of idea of like this sort of like essence of like what a political movement is and this sort of like
This like great man of history kind of kind of talking points and so like he said nice things about Bernie Sanders for instance believing that well Bernie Sanders is this kind of old-school leftist this old-school Social Democrat from the 70s and he's sort of the last gasp of that and there's a there's a reality to that that you don't see in these sort of like mealy mouths of Buttigieg or Biden or who don't really stand for anything kind of candidates
and so it's not that like richard spencer thinks like bernie sanders would be a great president although they are like deeply conflicted about the fact that like yeah medicare for all is a great program and like cutting student debt like you would get more white babies out of this and this is something that we want right yeah it's just that by for all we mean for all white people no exactly exactly uh but but
But even within the confines, I mean, that's what they would ideally want, but even within the confines of this, they sort of see that, like, you know, that there is a reality to, like, these programs would actually be better for them, even if black people got, you know, like, benefits and other people of color got benefits as well.
They do.
And this is Spencer.
He sees the reality behind it, whereas the Clinton-era triangulation of we're going to run polls and then have the most mealy-mouthed possible policy that's sort of like wet cardboard for everyone.
And that's what Spencer hates most of all.
He really responds to people with some sort of vision that he believes are in some sense authentic.
And the actual policy or the actual thing that they're trying to do is sort of on the second tier for him to a certain degree.
And so when he retweets Bernie and says nice things about Bernie, that's not a sign that Richard Spencer is going to vote for the Jewish socialist.
He's not a socialist.
You and I know this.
But that's not the sign that he's trying to fuck with the election or anything that...
That's just him responding to, like, the authenticity of this candidate.
And I think there's a lot of that going on with Bloomberg in the sense of, like, yeah, he's a billionaire.
He's just gonna come in and, like, swing his dick around and, you know, win this election by just outright buying it.
Which, in fairness, that is exactly what he's trying to do.
Or at least he's using that technique to try to block Bernie, at least.
I want to be very clear about this.
Richard Spencer is a monster on a personal and ideological level.
I cannot disagree with Richard Spencer more about what the world should look like.
Also, he's violent towards his wife and other people and there's very good reason to believe A moral monster in his personal life as well.
All of that we covered in Episode 1 and a bit in Episode 2 of this podcast.
We might kind of revisit some of this in the future and kind of, you know, recover some of it.
But Richard Spencer is not wrong about sort of like observing reality of how these kinds of things work.
Yeah.
It's true that Michael Bloomberg is just trying to swing his dick around and buy the presidency.
Like, that's just true.
And the fact that Richard Spencer says it doesn't make it wrong, you know?
And there is just this kind of... Well, you know, hopeless fucking liberal and centrist pundits come in and they don't know anything about fascism, what it is or how it works, and they hear stuff like this and they conclude from it that, well, the left and right are just identical, you know?
Right, exactly, and then it becomes like this kind of horseshoe argument, and the point is, like, you know, that's what I'm trying to do here, is to help you to understand what's really kind of going on in these people's heads, you know?
And I, you know, it does get frustrating when I see, like, everyone just kind of fall for this shit over and over again.
You know, not that I think like Joy Behar, who went on The View and who was reading a tweet where Richard Spencer had rejected Trump or, you know, I forget exactly the context of it.
And it's like, well, even the Nazis know that Trump isn't a good guy anymore.
And it's like Richard Spencer kind of always knew that.
You know, even when he kind of supported him, it was sort of in this like he's a force for, you know, kind of white well-being in the world or whatever.
And this kind of like broad idea.
Like nobody really thought like Donald Trump is like a decent guy.
They just thought he was going to do what they wanted to do.
And then they all rejected him a year and a half ago or, you know, yeah, about a year ago when he just couldn't, when he, they all just kind of gave up on him a while back.
And the idea that, I don't think that most of them are going to vote at all, much less vote for Trump.
So, you know, the idea that they're all still kind of like deeply on that Trump train, again, it's a lack of understanding about like the reality of this kind of overtly white nationalist, white supremacist, fascist movement.
And the more ordinary swings of electoral politics in the United States.
And I feel like that difference is what kind of helps to explain this idea of kind of like having a real respect for Bloomberg.
Like they're literally sitting around talking like Bloomberg might be the guy.
I kind of caught back up with Fash the Nation a little bit this week.
And James Alsup is now the regular co-host of Fash the Nation.
And they're literally talking about how the election is going to be in between these two, like the Democratic primary anyway, is going to be between, and I apologize for this, but these are literally the words that they use.
Yeah.
pronounced boini, boini Jew, and bloomi Jew.
And they say these words over and over and over again during a three hour podcast, just to be clear.
And so it just kind of runs over you, but it is like, they're, they're very good at sort of like making up, uh, the, the, the awful name and then just kind of using it until it sticks.
It's part of the process of like how this stuff works.
Um, Buttigieg, um, they've been calling him butt plug, uh, for a year and a half.
Um, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
We don't need to get into, um, All of them, I could give them all to you if you want them.
But the idea that there's even this, like, Bloomberg, like two Jewish people just kind of fighting for the soul of the Democratic Party, it's like, well, they don't have to, in their image, it's like, well, they don't have to Fight on the sidelines anymore.
They don't have to control things from behind They can just be openly out there and control things in reality, which is another reason why there is this kind of like Support there is this kind of like, you know kind of grudging like yes Just come out and say we rule the world because we're Jewish sort of idea which is totally what's happening, right?
Oh yeah, totally, yeah.
You know, I hadn't thought of that before, but it's kind of like a wet dream for your Nazi, isn't it?
Because, of course, the Nazi, the incoherent Nazi ideology about Jews is that they're, you know, it always used to be anyway, with sort of the OG Nazis, was that they were behind both capitalism and communism, right?
You know, that was the thing.
Both capitalism and communism were a Jewish plot.
They were like the two prongs of the international Jewish conspiracy.
Oh, and that's very much still something that they say all the time.
Yeah, so like the current situation where it's, you know, Biden's still in the race, but you know, it's possibly turning into, you know, Bernie and Bloomberg.
It's perfect from that.
I mean, again, you know, I do not believe a word of this shit.
Do not mistake me.
repeating their crap for anything, I think.
It's paranoid, ludicrous, bigoted fantasy, you know, to be clear.
But yeah, they believe it.
So they look at this and they think, well, yeah, of course.
Of course it comes down to a Jewish socialist versus a Jewish capitalist, because that's just the sandwich, isn't it?
It's the kosher sandwich.
Exactly.
And this is where we're going to end on.
I'm going to share with you another one of the stupidest memes that kind of feeds right into this.
One that the Daily Shoah has been, the Enoch, has been trying to push for a long time now and which I have not seen spread anywhere else in this kind of online internet space other than like in the people who are kind of like high up people in the TRS, that's the RightStuff.biz, their kind of like little world.
And so, how far the mighty have fallen from 2015 and 2016 and 2017, when he was one of the undisputed kings of getting memes into the discourse in this space?
But he's been pushing this for a while.
Icarus has flown too near the sun and plummeted into the Aegean.
It's so tragic.
And so I'm now going to describe this meme to you, and again, this is kind of one of those where it's impossible to describe without, like, kind of leaning slightly further into certain kinds of language than I'd like, but we're familiar, we're all familiar with the n-word, which I will not say.
And then we're familiar with the word wigger, which is white and word, right?
I'm familiar with this now because you explained it to me, so thanks for that.
We're still like three steps away from where the meme is now.
So one step beyond that is the WIGNAT, which is Uyghur nationalism, and this was part of the optics debate.
I'm kind of describing it for possibly new listeners or people who don't remember it as well as you do, Jack.
So the Uyghur nationalist is part of this optics debate after Unite the Right.
um this kind of idea of like so there are the people who want to like kind of like uh dress up and do like kind of fancy political things and kind of look like a respectable political movement and then there are the people who want to kind of go and like wear red armbands and march in the streets and you know kind of the more it's like quote-unquote working class which let's not get into the complexities of that here because it's um there is a reality but it's also mostly nonsense
I think for the optics debate after Unite the Right, I think you need to go to our episode 4.
Yeah, yeah.
I think I'm right in saying that's episode 4.
Yeah, it's episode 4, where we kind of discussed a little bit of that.
This sort of Wignet idea, and this sort of idea that there are Wignets and Optics Cucks, becomes kind of the central metaphor.
Of this entire kind of thing, as it's starting to unravel.
So, now they're trying to push this idea of the Jignet.
The Jewish Wigdet.
Right.
And they don't even really have a term for the other side.
It's like the Jewish Optics Cux.
They haven't even really quite developed it to that degree.
But the idea is...
And like it really is the sort of thing where I've listened to them say this over and over again And even I have a really hard time of like describing in detail Exactly what they mean because it's buried as you can tell from me describing it now It's buried in so many levels of like complete nonsensical ways of viewing the world and they just spread it that like it's almost impossible to sort of like really kind of dig into exactly what they want because it's a I was going to say, is there actually a clear thing that they mean?
Or is just the term itself?
Is that all there is?
I think it is.
I mean, it's a propaganda tool, but I think it is something that, like, it's just very, like, kind of deeply invested in this world, and this kind of idea of how to view it.
And so, if you believe As they do, and this is like specifically a kind of daily show on Mikey and I kind of thing.
So if you believe, as they do, that Jews run certainly the quote-unquote white world, the European world, Jews just run everything from behind the scenes, sometimes out in front, sometimes from behind, that Jews disagree, but that they ultimately, they're the ones in charge and they're the ones kind of making all decisions everywhere, including like whether we're going to spread coronavirus to white people and all this sort of thing.
So, if you believe that, and if you're trying to analyze real-world political moves within that construct, you have to also understand, you have to be able to explain, or explain away, why certain things happen that are not, like, good-looking for this kind of Jewish conspiracy, right?
Like, events happen in the world and they get reported, And then things just kind of don't work.
Things just, like, why would they tell us this?
Why would they do this thing that would, like, reveal their power level to us?
You know, why would they, why would they, why would they do this, you know?
And it's hard to kind of find a specific example because it's just kind of everywhere.
It's that they keep finding these, like, little inconsistencies of, like, well, why did we get this piece of information?
Like, why didn't they cover that up?
Why did they put this on the front page of every newspaper?
And the answer, the reality is, your entire worldview is nonsense.
Like, it's just fucking nonsense from the beginning.
But eventually they start to land on this, well, there's this jignet.
I hate even using the term, I apologize.
Over and over again, I do apologize.
But there are the jignets who don't care about the optics anymore, they're just going to come and take what's theirs, and they're just going to do it and not care what Quote-unquote white people, i.e.
racists, i.e.
Nazis, say about it, they're just gonna go and like do the thing and it doesn't really matter because white people are just gonna die off soon anyway.
Versus the kind of optics cut side who are like, no, we still need to kind of keep the goyim silent, kind of keep them asleep until we actually can kind of like make our master plan and just kind of wipe them out.
Very quickly.
And so, that's the sort of Jignet Optics cuck rhetorical battle that's happening in this little corner, that as far as I can tell has not spread beyond, like, Mikey and Ox's fevered little brain, and like a couple of people around him.
Um, more people are probably, like, kind of going, what the fuck are you even talking about?
Like, I have done more work to spread this meme than he- well, I've done less work, but I've probably spread the meme further than he has.
By talking about it on this show.
By talking about it on this show, exactly.
Um, and I asked around about this, I was like, has anybody heard of this term?
And literally people were like, what, what even is that?
And then I start trying to describe it, and it's like, hold on, hold on, what?
And part of the reason I think it hasn't spread because you know I still the Daily Show is still has like a you know It's impossible to get like a real idea of the the listenership, you know But they still have like a there's still a big audience.
They're still like making money doing what they're doing Who knows if that's actually kind of authentic audience reaction or if they've got some funders I'm guessing the latter, but that's allegedly I have no like concrete evidence of that etc, etc um
But yeah, the idea that other people who are in the space are not kind of picking up on that, despite the fact that they've been pushing this kind of idea for I think most of a year at this point, does kind of describe just how ludicrously isolated they are at this point.
And personally, I think that's a very hopeful thing.
That's a good sign, yeah.
There is an extent to which it's not catching on because it's just an inherently insane load of old crap, but maybe there's also an extent to which it's not catching on because the influence is waning.
Exactly.
And, you know, that means that Enoch is kind of done for in terms of his ability to influence political talking points.
I think that's great.
I think that means Nick Fuentes is the next hot new thing.
The heir apparent, yeah.
That's frustrating.
We'll see.
And no love lost between Spencer and Fuentes, by the way.
Absolutely no love lost between Spencer and Fuentes.
It's pretty...
It's pretty delightful the way that they yell at each other.
Oh, I forgot to tell you we'll end on a funny bit.
Nick Fuentes got banned from YouTube.
Yeah, I thought it was all pretty funny so far, but yeah, sorry, go on.
We'll end on, because I did mean to bring this up.
And there is a link into, I put a couple links to Angry White Men, written by eyes on the right, in the show notes.
And to sort of like broader discussions.
I mean, a lot of people have really been doing a really great job of covering this stuff.
And when I do have links I can just share to you, I just will do that sometimes.
And go, yeah, just go read.
Go read the couple links.
That's a very good description of what's going on.
I will co-sign this.
So, Nick Fuentes got banned from Twitter.
Not because, like, anti-fascists or, you know, ordinary people are like, not Twitter, sorry, YouTube.
Not because, like, people at YouTube thought it was a great idea to do so.
But because J.F. Gary Eppie, who I promised we were going to do an episode on at some point, There's just so much material he produces.
I'm looking forward to that one.
Nick Fuentes made fun of JFG's girlfriend.
He called her... Yeah, we've heard things about JF Gary Eppie's girlfriend on this podcast before.
His romantic, quote-unquote, sexual partner, presumably.
It does seem to have some mental difficulties.
It's hard to it's hard to kind of like say these things in a respectful way on a podcast Let's try to keep kind of some levity here because I'm certainly not kind of you know, if she's a Nazi I will blame her for being a Nazi It's unclear exactly how much she's kind of aware of what's going on.
Although that may be me kind of like Uh, playing into that too much and kind of denying her agency.
And I'm very uncomfortable with the, like, talking about this subject just because it's a, again, another one of those places where it's very easy for me to inadvertently kind of step in bigotry.
But Nick Fuentes was making fun of her in the way that you would expect him to be doing.
So, because he's a fucking monster.
And everything that I'm kind of like overtly like saying, I'm working very diligently not to say, he will just say outright and then like push it ten miles further down the road because he's a fucking monster.
Yeah, because he's a smear of diarrhea.
Exactly.
Well, JF Gary Eppie knows exactly what the rules are and aren't on YouTube and knows exactly how to get people banned.
And, uh, spent, uh, quite a few hours from what I understand, uh, going through all of, uh, Nick Fuentes' content and finding specific time codes where, particularly where, um, you know, the other F word, the, uh, the one for gay people, um, you're not allowed to say on YouTube and Nick Fuentes uses it with abandon.
So, going through and just finding all of those instances with specific time codes and then emailing them to YouTube and flagging all the videos, it is very likely that's exactly what happened to get Nick Fuentes' ban from Twitter.
And so, ultimately what I'm saying is JFKeryIppie is kind of Antifa at this point.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, well done.
They should just de-platform each other.
I can't wait for Fuentes' response.
Can we get JFG?
He actually pulled all his stuff, he's still got a few things on YouTube, but he pulled a whole bunch of his content because he was afraid he was going to get mass reported.
So he kind of moved all of his activity to BitChute, all of his archives to BitChute.
So, you know, I get to archive two channels for, actually it's more than that for JFG, but, you know, we won't talk about that.
They like to hide things, let's just put it that way.
They like to find little places where they can kind of stick things in the hope that nobody knows about them, but you know, we'll just leave it at that.
Yeah, we have our ways and means.
Well, you do anyway.
We have our ways of Googling for stuff and clicking on links and finding the thing that's very clearly there.
Don't burst the bubble!
I'm trying to build up your mystique and you're undercutting yourself!
It's a very secret hacking technique known as clicking on the links in the box below.
That's the thing.
No, I want people to imagine you like a hacker in a 90s TV show, you know, tapping away at the...
With the green letters in front of me.
Yeah, that's right.
I should show you my... I've got the... I want this sound effect.
I'm in the mainframe!
I actually do use a command line utility to grab stuff off of YouTube, and so I do have these little scripts that I've written to grab stuff and capture it.
There you go, see?
Yeah, so it does... I kinda come home from work and literally sit down and open up a terminal window on my Linux desktop.
I've got a laptop and then a connected monitor, so I've got the two monitors set up.
Um, and I'm literally, like, clicking away and, like, making dinner and going, like, you know, type, type, type, type, type, type, enter, and then, like, wall of text as it, like, grabs all the new videos, um, so, uh, that is, that is, that is pretty, uh, that is, uh, actually, uh, more accurate than, uh, you would like it to be.
Yeah, you're like the guy with the long hair in The Lone Gunman.
I watched, like, one episode of that show, but, uh, Everybody watched like one episode of that show.
I was never a big X-Files fan.
We should leave now.
We're done.
We're done.
It's over.
But yeah, JFK, keep getting people banned, if you're listening to this.
I promise you, if you keep getting all the other people in your movement taken off the internet, we will not do an episode on you.
I will give you that promise.
That's right.
We'll spare you.
Yeah, keep up the good work, JF Antifa.
It turns out he was on our side the whole time, you know?
Yeah.
Great.
Okay, well that was episode 45.
That was fun.
And tune in next time we do this to listen to us again.
Talking about something about far-right dickheads.
Yeah, yeah.
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