A classic, back-to-basics, oldskool episode in which Daniel tells Jack all about a very nasty (and racist trivia-obsessed) specimen, Michael J. Thompson, who chooses to (sometimes) go by the online alias 'Paul Kersey', which is the name of Charles Bronson's character in Death Wish... y'know, the movie in which a middle-class architect becomes a serial killer, and murders loads of poor petty-criminals, and he's the hero. Content Warnings within Content Warnings for this one. Links/Notes: "Hiding in Plain Sight, the White Nationalist Who Toiled Inside a Right Wing Media Powerhouse." https://angrywhitemen.org/2020/02/03/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-white-nationalist-who-toiled-inside-a-right-wing-media-powerhouse/ "Hiding in Plain Sight, the White Nationalist Who Toiled Inside a Right Wing Media Powerhouse." (Right Wing Watch) https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-white-nationalist-who-toiled-inside-a-right-wing-media-powerhouse/ Jason Wilson, The Guardian, "Paul Kersey/Michael J. Thompson White Nationalist Report." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/03/paul-kersey-michael-j-thompson-white-nationalist-report "A new report has revealed that a prominent white nationalist author, activist and podcaster known as “Paul Kersey” has in fact worked for more than a decade at mainstream conservative institutions and media outlets under his real name. According to an investigation by the not-for-profit media outlet Right Wing Watch (RWW), the man who has worked under the Kersey pseudonym is in fact Michael J Thompson. The Guardian has uncovered additional material that supports reporting by RWW, and further indicates Thompson’s role in moulding rightwing activists from a position near the heart of America’s most influential conservative institutions. The RWW investigation, published on Monday, reveals the work of “Paul Kersey”, whom it calls a “barely underground member of the white nationalist movement” and a fixture on the roster of racist media outlets and campaign groups. But it also shows that Thompson worked under his own name at institutions like the Leadership Institute, its media arm Campus Reform, and WND, formerly World Net Daily, a once-popular conspiracy-minded conservative outlet, as late as November 2018. It also shows how his WND position allowed him to move in professional circles that included white nationalists, writers from Breitbart and the Daily Caller and prominent Donald Trump supporters including Steve Bannon and Jack Posobiec." Campus Reform Homepage: https://www.campusreform.org/ Current "Stuff Black People Don't Like" at Unz Review. https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/ Stuff Black People Don't Like, January 18, 2010 from the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20100118112313/http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/ "From a biological standpoint, Haitians who practice voodoo and the art of zombiism, have an ally in Wade Davis as he has done extensive research in Haitian voodoo and penned numerous volumes on the subject. In Passage of Darkness: the Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie and Serpent and the Rainbow, Davis discusses the uses of certain chemical compounds to create hallucinogens and neurotoxins capable of inducing the effects of death only to allow the “zombie” to awake later. The botanical secrets and the chemical compound formulas that create zombies are known only by the Haitian Voodoo priests, but the mysterious origins behind zombies haven’t dissuaded others from inventing their own. George Romero of “The Night of the Living Dead” fame is credited with inventing the modern-zombie in the United States, but he owes much to the 1930s film “White Zombie”, which was appropriately set in Haiti. We have discussed the historical nature of zombies, as the idea originated in Haiti and there, witch-doctors practiced (and still do) a form of Black magic that “can” reanimate corpses. In the United States however, zombies take on a much different connotation, for we view them as the true undead brought back to life, consuming as much live human flesh in the process, thereby spreading the zombie virus further. Zombies - in America - are a plague that must be eradicated." Romero, who has made a fine living directing zombie films, cast a Black person as the main protagonist in his first zombie film “Night of the Living Dead” and has since positively shown Black people in that films many sequels, most notably in the late 1970s “Dawn of the Dead.” It is obvious to all Black people, that Romero knows the true history of zombies, and thus, must do everything in his power to remove the mystical Black magic origins of voodoo/zombies from his films and showcase Black people operating in a highly functional manner. There is an unwritten rule in Hollywood that Romero deemed necessary when discussing zombies, for no mentioning of Haiti and Black people’s predilection and fascination with the undead can occur in film or video gam" Stuff Black People Don't Like, May 1, 2009 from the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20110628224216/http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html #170: Losing Gold Teeth: "Black people are fascinated by gold, more so than the Spanish Conquistadors of old. Black people love gold so much, that they have it fashioned to put onto their teeth, known throughout the Black community as "grillz". A subculture has grown around this fascinating practice and has become a lucrative business for entrepreneur's hoping to affix their wares on the Black persons bicuspids. One practitioner of the art of "grillzing" writes, "Gold teeth are a product that has been increasingly growing over the past eight years, especially since the attention given to them from celebrities such as Nelly and Flavor Flav. Since that time, they've taken on several different names, such as gold fronts, gold caps, gold slugs, grills and grillz." The problem for "grillz" advocates remains maintaining the integrity of said gold piece in their mouths, while using the restroom. Recently at a Major League Baseball (MLB) game between the Atlanta Braves and the New York Mets, a woman lost one of her "grillz" in the latrine. While relieving herself, somehow her "grillz" become dislodged and ended up resting in the bowels of the commode." Google Search Results for "Michael Thompson" at www.campusreform.org. https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.campusreform.org+michael%20thompson Michael Thompson, "Jokes Now Considered "Bias-Motivated Incidents" at Northern Colorado" https://web.archive.org/web/20150117082235/https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=1796 "The University of Northern Colorado (UNCO) has decided it’s time to prohibit "Bias Motivated Incidents." When you hear about a “bias motivated incident,” maybe you’re thinking about a cross burning, or something of that nature. But at UNCO the “bias motivated incident” could simply be an "inappropriate joke" that is motivated by some form of bias. The UNCO policy also says that “Any discriminatory act is a violation of the Housing & Residence Life Student Code of Conduct.” Well, what do they mean by “any discriminatory act”? According to the UNCO handbook this includes, but is not limited to, “racism, ageism, sexism, and/or homophobia.” And (get ready for this!) included in the definition is “intentionally, recklessly or negligently causing physical, emotional, or mental harm to any person." Paul Kersey, "Nobody Kill Anybody" Fails: During First Ceasefire Weekend in 70% Black Baltimore, 15 Shot, Four Dead. https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/nobody-kill-anybody-fails-during-first-ceasefire-weekend-in-70-black-baltimore-15-shot-four-dead/ "A surplus of blackness and a paucity of whiteness. Or, more appropriately, a city dominated by the black hegemony. Welcome to Baltimore in 2020, a 70 percent black city completely dominated by black elected/appointed officials in all aspects of the bureaucracy. Confederate memorials are all removed, streets and buildings once named in honor of dead white males have been erased, racially re-named to honor the new demographic dominating Baltimore life. If you’ve read The City that Bleeds: Race, History, and the Death of Baltimore (and if you haven’t, get it here now!), you know the truth about Baltimore our elite have spent more than half a century trying to explain away as the fault of pernicious white people and their insidious redlining, systemic racism, and racial criminal justice system." The Political Cesspool, "Paul Kersey, Author of "Stuff Black People Don't Like" Will Join Us Live This Satur March 5." https://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/paul-kersey-author-of-stuff-black-people-dont-like-will-join-us-live-this-saturday-march-5/ Michael Thompson Author Page at WND, https://www.wnd.com/author/mthompson/ WND Staff, "Black-on-black murders epidemic in this city" https://www.wnd.com/2013/08/milwaukees-racism-most-murders-black-on-black/ @MJTWND at the Internet Archive, July 14, 2016. https://web.archive.org/web/20160714043056/https://twitter.com/MJTWND Angry White Men, "Daily Shoah" Hosts: Nazi Scientists and White People Should be Recognized For Space Exploration Work. https://angrywhitemen.org/2017/02/28/daily-shoah-co-hosts-nazi-scientists-and-white-people-should-be-recognized-for-space-exploration-work/ "Hidden Figures" at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Figures Eric Niiler, History.com, "Why Civil Rights Activists Protested the Moon Landing." https://www.history.com/news/apollo-11-moon-landing-launch-protests Katherine Johnson, The Human Computer Project. https://www.thehumancomputerproject.com/women/katherine-johnson "Along with engineer Ted Skopinski she coauthored the 1960 report Determination of Azimuth Angle at Burnout for Placing a Satellite Over a Selected Earth Position, the equations describing the trajectories for placing the manned Mercury capsule into low-Earth orbit and returning it safely to the planet's surface, making her the Flight Research Division's first credited female author." Skopinski and Johnson, "Determination of Azimuth Angle at Burnout for Placing a Satellite Over a Selected Earth Position" https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980227091.pdf
Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham, and my friend Daniel Harper have conversations about the far-right's conversations.
Every episode comes with a big content warning.
And it's episode 43.
Fuck!
I've done it again!
44!
You just don't want to be halfway to 88, I'm sure that's really the issue.
Yeah.
This is take 2, so that I could correct introducing this as episode 43, and then I did it again.
But we're not doing take 3, we're sticking with this one.
Episode 44.
We're here.
We have intro'd the episode.
I don't speak German.
I'm Daniel.
It's Jack.
I'm not sure we have intro'd, but it's going to have to do.
It's going to have to do.
I'm sorry, listeners.
I'm not on top form at the moment.
I have some ongoing health problems, and I'm on some new medication that is fucking me up a little bit.
But I'm going to do my best, and your forbearance is appreciated.
So yeah.
Hi, Daniel.
How's everything?
Well, I'm sorry to hear you're going through some health issues.
I was kind of doing... I'm kind of doing the same thing, honestly.
So we're just two middle-aged men muddling through this process of talking about truly terrible people while dealing with our old man medications.
That's kind of what's going on for both of us, I think.
Yeah.
I mean, I find this genuinely... I mean, it's an awful thing to say, really, but I find this genuinely consolatory, you know, because at the end of the day, whatever's wrong with my life, at least I'm not one of these fuckers.
At least you're not Chris Cantwell.
That's always the, you know, however bad my day is, I get to go to bed at night and think, well, at least my day was not as bad as Chris Cantwell's.
Exactly.
At least, you know, even when he has a good day, you know, he's still him.
So...
But we're not talking about that.
We don't have any new Cantwell news.
I mean, there's always Cantwell news, but we'll wait for more legal documents to come out.
And if you need Cantwell news, believe me, we handled it last week.
Yeah, yeah.
Pop back and listen to our last episode, if you haven't.
And if you have, go and listen to it again, because it was brilliant.
We had the amazing Emily Gorczenski.
Gorczenski.
It's Gorczenski.
I knew it was.
I knew it was, and I second-guessed myself, who was brilliant.
And thanks to her for coming on.
I wanted to break my rule, because I normally absent myself when there's a guest, because I don't want to get in the way.
But I wanted to break my rule and be there, just in the background for that one, but I wasn't able to, and I'm still crushingly disappointed about it.
But it was a good ep, and thanks to Emily and to everybody who downloaded it.
But, crashing on to episode 44, see I'm getting there, this week we're talking about Paul Kersey, aren't we?
Real name Michael J. Thompson.
But before we get on to him, I understand we have some, what does Sam Harris call it?
Housecleaning to do.
Yes, yes.
I mentioned a moment ago that I've been having some health issues and just kind of like, Making some lifestyle changes to sort of correct for some things in my life.
Don't worry, I'm not dying of cancer or anything.
I'm becoming middle-aged and that comes with certain ailments.
I was definitely not up to recording when we did the Augustus Invictus episode, but I kind of pushed my way through regardless.
I am not happy with that episode.
I had some people email me.
Many people were very happy with that episode, and I was very happy to hear that.
But I did make a couple of mistakes that I think are worth at least highlighting here.
The first mistake was that I misidentified the source of the Wolves of Vinland.
They're actually an American organization.
They're kind of like a gym rat for Nazis kind of organization thing.
We may do a full episode on them.
Sorry, they're a what?
They're basically like a gym club.
We're all going to hang out and work out together and go hang out in the woods and drink beer and beat each other up.
It's sort of like a redneck fight club.
It's like a redneck fight club, but for Nazis.
I had it mistaken for another organization, and normally I sort of double-check those details before I sit down.
But I was really, really under the weather when we recorded that one.
And I did not do my due diligence, and I apologize for that.
Because I did have a couple people be like, dude, what are you talking about?
And I'm like, yes, you're right.
I apologize.
I totally fucked that up.
We may do a full episode on Wolves of Vinland and similar organizations at some point in the future.
We will have to see if that sort of becomes necessary.
The other thing that I did, and this is something that I do deeply apologize for, was that I was sort of dancing around some of the satanic ideas that people in that side of the movement follow, and I sort of implied That all Satanists are evil Nazis, which I know not to be true, and I was simply not clear enough when I discussed it in the episode.
I sort of implied that being a Satanist was inherently evil.
And while I am not a Satanist, I do know that there are quite a few people who are very good and kind, reasonable human beings.
Who considers themselves Satanists and who have no truck with any of these kinds of people or anything that they believe in.
And I do apologize sincerely to members of that religious organization or religious subgrouping.
I'm not even sure exactly how they prefer to define themselves.
I did have a couple people reach out to me and I am kind of a Doing some some due diligence on that to sort of get a little bit more up to speed on some of the differences in those movements But I do want to be clear that You know not just the Satanist stuff but some of the pagan stuff and the neo-pagan rituals and all that sort of thing is very much outside my personal experience my personal wheelhouse and And so if I kind of step on people's toes, believe me, it's not intentional because I am aware that there are Nazi versions of these things and there are the very much against the Nazi versions of these things.
So I did just want to kind of highlight that here at the beginning of the episode and just apologize sincerely to those people.
Not just the ones that messaged me, but to anyone who was listening and kind of got a little miffed by that.
Okay, yeah.
I'm gonna undo all the good work that you've just done by saying that I do understand that Satanism is, you know, it's a complex thing and it's kind of, for many people, it's a kind of a radical humanism and it's understood to be Benevolent, and it's not about hurting people, etc, etc.
But I am also childish enough to be amused by having to apologize for implying that all Satanists are evil.
I just found that funny.
I'm sorry, I apologize.
But I did, and that's the truth.
Here I am, trying to do the good thing of being a good ally and a good member of the global community, and here you are being a sniggering 12-year-old.
I'm very disappointed in you, Jack.
You're right to be, I'm sorry.
Hail Satan.
Anyway, yeah.
We'll put the Omen music over this, I think.
Please!
DM Jack, don't DM me on this one.
Yeah, DM me.
It's not Daniel, it's me.
No, we probably will do a more extended, let me put it this way, there are definitely things that I'm kind of dancing around in terms of like specific subgroupings of people within the Satanist community and part of the issue I ran into in the last episode was just, or in that episode was just not having the language to quite You know, clear away some of that cruft.
We will come back to this topic, I assure you.
Yes, indeed, and I'll try not to be a dick about it.
But on to our actual topic this episode.
Paul Kersey, real name Michael J. Thompson.
Yeah, who is neither, as far as I know, neither the good or bad kind of Satanist, so we have that going for us.
Yeah, good for Satanists for not including him.
Right.
So yeah, we're going to be talking about Paul Kersey today.
Paul Kersey was recently, well, recently some articles came out that officially exposed him as being this guy Michael J. Thompson.
This is one that I've been kind of like had my ear on the ground for a little while now because I kind of, a lot of times people get sort of like doxxed but it hasn't been confirmed and it's kind of like something that kind of goes into a research cycle and then People get all their ducks in a row before they publish on this.
I first was aware of Paul Kersten, we'll get to this late, like very early in my kind of following around the far-right career, when he appeared on the Daily Shoah, just a couple months after I started listening to the Daily Shoah.
And oh, believe me, we're going to talk about that episode, because it is, whether you are a fan or not of the Daily Showa, a classic Daily Showa.
So I've been aware of him for quite a while, and it's worth noting that Paul Kersey is also the name of Charles Bronson's character in Death Wish.
Now, would you like to describe what Charles Bronson's character in Death Wish is like for the audience?
Sure, yeah.
Charles Bronson's character in Death Wish is a fairly well-to-do middle-class architect who, as I remember, lives in New York City, and it's set in the 1970s, the film.
With his wife and daughter, I think.
And they're just minding their own business one day and they get... The wife and daughter get... There's a home invasion, or an apartment invasion.
And they get... I think Paul Kersey's wife is murdered and the daughter is put into a coma.
It's been a long time since I've seen it.
But they are sexually assaulted and stuff by this gang of...
You know, criminal youths.
Not all black, surprisingly enough.
One of them is actually played by Jeff Goldblum.
Very young Jeff Goldblum.
And Paul Kersey's response to this is to buy an enormous gun and go on a killing rampage.
He basically just goes out at night in New York and And slaughters any young criminal looking person that he takes a fancy to.
And the cop investigating the serial murders, because that's what he is, he becomes a serial killer.
The hero of the film becomes a serial killer.
The cop who's investigating it kind of comes to sympathise with him, and then... I don't remember the rest, but that's the premise of the film.
That's the premise of the film.
A middle-class architect, his family is the victim of a violent crime, so he takes it upon himself to go and murder people with an enormous gun.
So, knowing this, and assuming you know nothing else about Paul Kersey, the quote-unquote political commentator, what would you imagine his main focus was?
Well, I'm tempted to say that he's got a very nuanced view of these things and he's very much against the sort of punitive approach to crime and he values truth and reconciliation approaches and those approaches where you get the victim and the perpetrator together and they talk about it.
That sort of thing.
Surely that's his approach.
That or, say, virulent and vicious racism towards mostly black, but also Hispanic and quote-unquote Muslim people.
That was going to be my second guess.
With a particular vicious focus on crime rates.
Yeah, that's what he's most known for.
So I was kind of talking about how he was recently doxxed.
There was a Twitter thread that kind of went around and when I was obsessively following Twitter, which is something I've been trying to do a lot less of lately.
I I can't think why.
When I was following people on Twitter, I saw this thread get tweeted around.
It has since been deleted, so I can't read it out.
I wasn't able to put it in the show notes.
But the thread had a lot of allegations about people within This sort of far-right, pseudo-academic political action committee version of Nazism.
A lot of the figures in this movement dished a lot of dirt on a lot of these people, including some rape allegations and that sort of thing.
Believe me, we're going to be covering a lot of this in a lot more detail.
This is a very nebulous and difficult world to kind of like penetrate unless you have someone who is currently or used to be on the inside.
And thankfully, there is there is a young woman named Katie McHugh who has been dealing all the dirt on this on this group and on this kind of general group of people.
And believe me, we will have a lot more to say about her in future episodes, I'm sure.
She's the one who revealed the Stephen Miller emails and kind of revealed that he was the those emails to her when she was working for Breitbart.
and And she also was the one who helped to kind of highlight the role of this guy named Matthew Q. Gerbert, who was going by Coach Fenstock, who was a personal friend of Mike Enoch and who was working in the State Department.
Believe me, this is only the tip of the iceberg.
And if you know anything at all about KWQ, you know that she is going after blood with these people.
And if you are going to be someone who leaves white nationalism and decides not to be a Nazi anymore, this is how you fucking do it.
So anyway, in this thread, kind of dishing some dirt also reveals almost casually that Paul Kersey's real name is Michael J. Thompson.
And.
And I kind of tweeted this out and went, do we just get a dox of Paul Kersey?
Just like, out of the blue?
And the answer is?
I think I remember this, actually.
Yeah, I mean, I was very surprised and, you know, I had some DMs and emails with some people and kind of gave some people all the information I had, which, you know, was based on just a little bit of, you know, kind of digging into it.
And, you know, now there is an article that's got to come out.
And I'm not trying to kind of place myself as, like, the person who, like, made this happen because I was just... I was a tiny little piece of that puzzle.
This is completely on them.
But there is a piece, a co-written piece, that was published simultaneously at Right Wing Watch by Jared Holt.
And over at Angry White Man by Eyes on the Right, he is a pseudonymous blogger, I don't know his real name.
I assume it's a man, I believe.
I don't like to judge these things, I believe he uses he-him pronouns, but anyway, I could be mistaken, but whatever.
So Eyes on the Right and Jared Holt have kind of co-written this piece, and I have put both versions of this.
These are both friends of the pod, so I didn't want to highlight one over the other.
They are both in the show notes, so you can go click on both of them and read it twice, because it's very good, so be sure to give it your eyeballs.
Please pick one to click at random.
Toss a coin, so hopefully they'll get an equal number of clicks.
Right, and it's very good writing.
It's a detailed investigation kind of going into a lot of the details about who Paul Kersey is and who Michael J Thompson is and we're gonna kind of rely on a lot of that kind of like basic research I've kind of dug into my own and kind of found some some particular pieces but the best summary of the whole thing that if you wanted to like read it on a podcast was by Jason Wilson over at The Guardian, who kind of had some juicy details to add on top of this other piece of reporting.
Friend of the pod and former guest.
Yes, Jason Wilson, also a friend of the pod, so, you know, this is getting to be kind of an awkward love fest here, but with no disrespect to either of the other two gentlemen, I'm going to read the intro of his just because it kind of summarizes who this guy is very easily in kind of a podcast-friendly format.
This episode, by the way, like the England episode, is going to be reading a lot of things from really racist people.
Jason Wilson is not a racist person, but we're going to highlight him here.
So sort of content warning on top of the normal content warning there.
Exactly, exactly.
I'll let you know when we get to the actual stuff.
A new report has revealed that a prominent white nationalist, author, activist, and podcaster known as Paul Kersey has in fact worked for more than a decade at mainstream conservative institutions and media outlets under his real name.
According to an investigation by the not-for-profit media outlet Right-Wing Watch, the man has worked under the Kersey pseudonym is in fact Michael J. Thompson.
The Guardian has uncovered additional material that supports reporting by RWW and further indicates Thompson's role in molding right-wing activists from a position near the heart of America's most influential conservative institutions.
The Right Wing Watch investigation, published on Monday, reveals the work of Paul Kersey, whom it calls a barely underground member of the white nationalist movement and a fixture on the roster of racist media outlets and campaign groups.
But it also shows that Thompson works under his own name in institutions like the Leadership Institute, its media-armed Campus Reform, and WND, formerly World Net Daily, a once-popular conspiracy-minded conservative outlet as late as November 2018.
It also shows how his WND position allowed him to move in professional circles and included white nationalists, writers from Breitbart and The Daily Caller, and prominent Donald Trump supporters including Steve Bannon and Jack Prosobiec.
So, this is a guy who is an overt white nationalist under the name Paul Kersey.
Who is very, very secretive about his real life, who basically never gives any personal identifying details at all about himself.
Who has one kind of career, writing this horrifyingly racist blog, which we're going to get to in a second.
And appearing on, he's currently a regular co-host of the American Renaissance podcast.
Where he is ultimately known as either Paul Kersey or PK sometimes.
Jared Taylor calls him one or the other.
Well that explains the focus on crime rates, because that's very much a fixation of Jared Taylor.
Very much so.
And don't worry, we're going to get to this in a second.
I just wanted you to know I was paying attention.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, Jag usually just falls asleep halfway through and just lets me matter on.
He's like, I'll listen to it when I edit, it's fine.
It's fine.
I add my interjections in post.
I'm gonna go grab a whiskey while this guy talks.
Anyway, so under the name Paul Kersey, he's a much more overt white nationalist hanging out in, you know, American Renaissance.
He writes for VDAR, he writes for I mean, currently his blog is hosted at this place called Unz Review.
We will definitely do an episode about Unz at some point in the not too distant future.
This is one of the places that the original speech that Paul Gottfried gave that defined the alternative right Was republished at Unz Review, like in one of its original incarnations.
So, you know, it's published at like American Conservative, which was at that time edited by Richard Spencer.
It's published at Tacky Mag and it's published at Unz Review almost, you know, within a few days of each other.
Like, this is the kind of, like, this is where this stuff kind of comes from.
Steve Saylor, who's sort of the intellectual giant quote unquote of, you know, the SCSI side of race realism is a regular person who's been deeply invested in other views.
So this is an overtly racist, overtly white nationalist project that is on the SCSI underside of, you know, kind of quote unquote mainstream respectable American right wing politics.
And at the same time that he's doing this, he's doing things like writing regularly for WorldNetDaily, which back in the Bush years, the W. Bush years, we used to kind of deplorably call
Wingnut Daily was sort of the regular thing that the blogosphere used to call it, which is, you know, in retrospect, slightly ableist, I suppose, but it does kind of give you a sense of, you know, like, at the time that was considered the, like, really off-the-wall right-wing, you know, source that you didn't have to pay any attention to.
Kind of the Breitbart of the W. Bush years, if that makes sense for people who may not remember that.
Vox Adai, for instance, kind of built his name in World Net Daily.
I mean, it's this Very, very kind of kooky, far-right, you know, conspiracy-mongering kind of website.
But it does have a certain amount of cachet, and it is certainly much more acceptable to publish there than it is to publish at, say, you know, to appear on Richard Spencer's podcast, or to appear on The Daily Show, or to hang out with Jerry Taylor.
Paul Kersey, or pardon me, Michael Thompson, we should say, also is a person who worked for the Leadership Institute.
Now, I really want somebody with knowledge of these inner circles to do, like, a really good in-depth piece, even a book on the fucking Leadership Institute and all the, like, things it touches, It's really difficult for me just kind of sitting here in my bare feet in Michigan to dig into exactly what this thing is.
It's one of these things that has that kind of vague name that's almost impossible to sort of like really Google appropriately.
Um, and you know I'm just not, I'm just not really able to kind of spend that much time to really kind of figure out exactly what it's like long history is without sort of like knowing some of the people who are at least vaguely on the inside.
So hopefully somebody will do that kind of in-depth reporting, and believe me, I will pay a lot for that book one day.
But the Leadership Institute is something that was founded in 1979.
It is sort of this, like, sort of college Republicans, like, turning people into activists, like, turning people into media figures.
Turning people into politicians Kind of thing it doesn't have a huge budget like from what I understand.
It's only running like an eight million dollar Budget per year, which is you know nothing compared to something like you know I mean, that's eight million I wish I was making eight million dollars to do this, but you know like for for something That's kind of like this isn't this isn't like kind of doing like billions of dollars with the money But like Mitch McConnell has gone through there You know
Several mainstream Republican figures, a whole lot of politicians, media figures, but also Matthew Heimbach, formerly of the Traditionalist Workers Party, worked for the Leadership Institute and kind of went through the Leadership Institute.
I believe Nick Fuentes did it for a little while, although I think he was kind of a student as opposed to someone who was kind of working with it directly.
And this guy, Michael Thompson, worked for the Leadership Institute, although most of the work that he did was through this kind of side gig that the Leadership Institute does, and that's like a website newsletter called Campus Reform.
Now, Campus Reform is still available.
You can check it out.
You can go click on it right now.
I was looking at it a little bit ago before we started recording this and it's got like front right like little video is like viral video of black woman on campus saying like there are too many white people around here.
This is the tone of Campus Reform.
But this isn't, like, pushing, like, white genocide conspiracy theories.
It's sort of this, like, anti-affirmative action kind of, like, you know, within the realm of a sort of mainstream-ish right-wing thing.
They don't get into the really overt stuff.
And so it gets to be sort of, like, acceptable.
It's this thing.
And super, super powerful people have worked through this and have learned to do their political goals through this.
So, um...
While Michael Thompson is writing pieces for Campus Reform and is working with the Leadership Institute, he's also running his private blog under Paul Kersey called Stuff Black People Don't Like.
The full archives of which are currently available at UNZ Review.
I gave you a link, it's unz.com slash sbpdl.
PDL stuff black people don't like is the kind of the current is basically the way to Google this that it doesn't trip up some of the sensor features so so he tends to kind of use that whenever he needs a way of kind of highlighting himself um and this has been online since at least 2010 I found or I actually I believe 2009 yeah it's been online since at least
I have kind of dug up some of the early postings in the Internet Archive back when it was a Blogspot blog.
And I think it's worth kind of highlighting some of the entries at stuff black people don't like.
So I want to be clear here that I'm about to start saying some racist things.
But this isn't quite like the England episode because I'm not really going to be using language.
Like it doesn't really push into, it's not using N-word, N-word, N-word.
It's not doing that sort of thing.
It maintains a certain degree of distance from that overt language while being just as viciously racist, right?
And so, but much more overtly racist than the more respectable stuff that he's doing at World Net Daily and Campus Reform at this time.
So, I have some stuff that I've kind of dug up from the Stuff Black People Don't Like blog and from Campus Reform, and we're going to read a little bit of it to kind of give you a sense of it.
Also, I don't know if our younger audience will remember this.
Do you remember the Stuff White People Don't Like, or the Stuff White People Like blog?
Or do you remember that moment in internet history?
I don't think I've ever heard of it.
Okay.
So there was this blog that became this, I guess around 2005, 2006, 2007, that kind of era.
like this I guess around like 2005 2006 2007 like that kind of era there was a blog written by this synonymous guy who ends up being this like lily white upper middle-class upper-class Swedish guy I believe who wrote a couple of books It was kind of one of those like kind of flash in the pan.
It was kind of here and gone in a year or two.
But it was this huge internet phenomenon and so it was like stuff white people like and it's like t-shirts and you know so it's all about like how you have to like own like the right kind of t-shirts and like you can't buy like cheap t-shirts at Walmart because That's late like that's those are the kinds of t-shirts that like Made by the one by the wrong kinds of white people.
So it's really kind of lampooning, you know, lampooning the sort of like upper middle class, you know, lifestyle.
And in fact, SWPL Swipple ends up being sort of a term that you see used even in kind of this far right spaces.
They'll use Swipple as a as a as a as a sneer, as an insult, meaning, you know, kind of like the kind of people who read The New Yorker and, you know, live in a metropolitan area and drink fancy coffee and craft beer and that sort of thing.
You know, who work in a tech industry job, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And so this stuff black people don't like blog is a pretty deliberately designed to be a parody of that.
So it's meant to be instead of like all these kind of bougie white people things that white people like.
These are what they sort of now call hate facts.
And so it is like look at all this data of like awful things that black people do.
And that's what this entire blog is.
And so, um, one of these entries is, um, zombies.
Um, and this one, uh, I don't remember the exact date.
I didn't write down the exact date that this was published, but I found it from a 2010, um, internet archive link.
Um, and, uh, from a biological standpoint, Haitians who practice voodoo in the art of zombie-ism have an ally in Wade Davis as he has done extensive research in Haitian voodoo and penned numerous volumes on the subject.
In Passage of Darkness, the Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie and the Serpent and the Rainbow, Davis discusses the uses of certain chemical compounds to create hallucinogens and neurotoxins capable of inducing the effects of death only to allow the zombie to awake later.
The botanical secrets and chemical compound formulas that create zombies are known only by the Haitian voodoo priests, but the mysterious origins behind zombies haven't dissuaded others from inventing their own.
George Romero, of the Night of the Living Dead fame, is credited with inventing the modern zombie in the United States, but he owes much to the 1930s film White Zombie, which was appropriately set in Haiti.
We have discussed the historical nature of zombies, as the idea originated in Haiti and there, witch doctors practiced and still do a form of black magic that can reanimate corpses.
In the United States, however, zombies take on a much different connotation, for we view them as the true undead brought back to life, consuming as much live human flesh in the process, thereby spreading the zombie virus further.
Zombies in America are a plague that must be eradicated.
Romero, who has made a fine living directing zombie films, cast a black person as the main protagonist in his first zombie film Night of the Living Dead, and has since positively shown black people in that film's many sequels, most notably in the late 1970s Dawn of the Dead.
It is obvious to all black people that Romero knows the true history of zombies, and thus must do everything in his power to remove the mystical black magic origins of voodoo zombies from his films and showcase black people operating in a highly functional manner.
There is an unwritten rule in Hollywood that Romero deemed necessary when discussing zombies, for no mentioning of Haiti and black people's predilection and fascination with the undead can occur in film or video game.
So, I know that that's a little bit convoluted, But this is Cursey arguing that Romero made The Night of the Living Dead and cast a black actor as the quote-unquote highly functional lead as a way of taking away the reality of the zombie as brain-dead black people and replacing it with this image of the lily-white reanimated corpse.
And this was done as a way of Hollywood defeating what quote-unquote everybody knows about black people which is that they are like a brain-dead plague that is coming to destroy everything good and virtuous in America.
That's what he's arguing.
That's the argument.
That's the argument, yes.
And I understand that it's very difficult for my reading it, and I did put a link to this so you can go view it.
It's not much clearer.
This is literally like if you go and find the page and just kind of go click on... I just kind of clicked around and found like, oh, he's talking about zombies.
Like, in other entries he'll talk about, like, the pants-on-the-ground phenomenon.
Why can't black people wear a belt?
You know, black people get kicked out of Walmart because they don't behave properly.
Don't worry, we're gonna get to all this.
Oh, good, good.
But I did just want to highlight... I can't wait.
...Kirsey is, himself, sort of a movie nerd.
He does sort of like pop culture.
He is someone who talks about pop culture.
He doesn't understand movies, but he thinks he does.
Clearly.
I mean, he named himself Paul Kersey, so what are you going to say?
But I did want to highlight this, since you and I are people who do like to talk about movies in a, hopefully, a more interesting way than that.
And as a Romero fan myself, that's complete nonsense if you know the first thing about George Romero.
Anyway, here's another one.
I take offence at that.
Setting aside the racism, I take offence at that as a zombie fan and a Romero fan.
As someone who has once read a book, I find that offensive.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Here's another signature entry.
This is one from 2009.
And again, you can go and click around this website and you will find there, it's all like this.
I am not, like, picking particularly bad examples.
I'm just, this is literally just one thing.
Stuff black people don't like, number 170.
Losing gold teeth.
Wait for it.
Black people are fascinated by gold, more so than the Spanish conquistadors of old.
Black people love gold so much that they have it fashioned to put onto their teeth, known throughout the black community as grills.
And I want to be clear, he spells that G-R-I-L-L-Z.
And we'll continue, every time you hear me say the word grills, that's how he's spelling it.
A subculture has grown around this fascinating practice and has become a lucrative business for entrepreneurs hoping to affix their wares on the black persons by cuspids.
One practitioner of the art of grillzing writes, Gold teeth are a product that has been increasingly growing over the past eight years, especially since the attention given to them from celebrities such as Nelly and Flavor Flav.
Since that time, they've taken on several different names such as gold fronts, gold caps, gold slugs, grills, and grills.
The first one there was spelled with an S and the second with a Z, of course.
The problem for grills advocates remains maintaining the integrity of said gold piece in their mouths while using the restroom.
Recently, at a Major League Baseball MLB game between the Atlanta Braves and the New York Mets, a woman lost one of her grills in the latrine.
While retrieving herself, somehow her grills became dislodged and ended up resting in the bowels of the commode.
Black people be dropping their gold teeth in the shitter.
He wrote a blog post with this as premise.
I just have no idea what to say to this.
I mean, what?
This is like, I mean, he's treating this like a sociological phenomenon.
Yes, exactly.
And so we can sort of like, you know, speed up slightly and kind of say, like, this is someone who will literally say, and I have this, this is quoted somewhere, he will literally say, like, Jim Crow was just a check on black dysfunction, right?
That black people are just inherently dysfunctional.
They cannot live in white society.
And that previously to like the mid-60s, previously to the civil rights era, white people enforced our standards onto them and made them better.
They had homes.
Look, they dressed nicely.
And the ones that couldn't succeed, I mean, they could just live in their little segregated areas and they would be taken care of by their own.
And we just didn't have to really deal with them so much, except to use the violent arm of the state to keep them in line, because that's the only way these people are going to behave.
And so all of these stories about, like, black people stampeding at Walmart on, you know, Black Friday, or, you know, LiveLeak videos of, you know, some, you know, some assault or, you know, whatever, this entire website that has been going on, let me be clear, He's been writing this website for at least 11 years.
This entire project, which he updates several times a week, is about displaying quote-unquote black dysfunction.
That's his career.
That's what he spent his entire life doing since 2009.
I'm next to speechless.
So, while he's writing... That is so fucking pathetic and ridiculous.
It just, it's beyond belief.
And so now, I want to be clear about this.
He's writing this at the exact same time.
I wish I could find, like, articles that were, like, written within days of each other and do, like, a direct contrast.
I mean, I've been, you know, I've had, like, 50 tabs up on my laptop for, like, the last week and a half just digging through all this stuff because At some point, it looks like in either 2017 or 2018, WorldNetDaily decided he wasn't worth keeping in their retinue any longer.
They kind of quietly wiped all his stuff off their website.
And so if you Google, you know, Michael Thompson, WND.
Oh, what a shame!
If you Google him, you will find links to previous articles that he has written that were played, that were under his name, you know, Michael Thompson, et cetera, et cetera.
And then if you click on that, you will find it is now quoted to WND staff.
And so the Google Archive link tells you who wrote it, but they have now taken, and in fact I've included a link to his author page at WND, and it's still there, it still has his face on there, but there's literally nothing, there's no video, or there's no writing there at all.
He also, at least once, appeared on InfoWars, and this was in 2017.
He appeared on Alex Jones.
He didn't appear on Alex Jones' show.
He appeared on this other show that's part of the InfoWars community, just kind of talking about general right-wing conservative issues, gun control.
And I think at that point the topic to Jira was the Las Vegas shooting and sort of the gun control efforts going around that.
And so he ends up being this guy who, I don't know the depth of this.
I don't know exactly how many times he's appeared.
As far as I know, he only appeared on InfoWars once.
But this is someone who had, who was sort of a name in WND circles, who was sort of like this conservative commentator kind of guy, right?
Yeah.
Who was talking about like how terrible gun control is, and this is not the place to talk about like the kind of, it's the right wing kind of like fear mongering around, like they're going to come steal your gun so the Feds can, you know, make you gay married to a goat or something.
Gotcha.
So he's doing that at the same time that he's publishing this stuff black people don't like blog, appearing on American Renaissance podcast and writing for the American Renaissance, writing for V-Dare, writing for UNS, working in this explicitly white nationalist vision under his other name, right? working in this explicitly white nationalist vision under his other So I have here just a Google search.
This is in the show notes, so you can go and look at it.
For Michael Thompson, site campusreform.org.
You know, just so you can kind of see some of these titles.
Jokes now considered bias-motivated incidents at Northern Colorado University or something.
Campus Reform Resource Spotlight, Science of Success.
President's diversity fund paying for radical Marxist agenda.
Wouldn't that be nice actually?
Two conservative student groups battled for concealed carry permit, you know.
Northwest alternative student newspaper published by yada yada, and I'm just reading kind of the intro that's on the Google page here, so I apologize for not reading more.
All of these have been taken- Oh that's okay, really, that's fine.
All of these have been taken down from WorldNetDaily, so if you, like, the links are now broken, but if you go and do archive searches for these links, you can kind of find archived versions of these articles.
And I'm just gonna, like, I'm actually gonna put a call out to the listeners here.
Please go and start finding, if you can find something really juicy that this guy wrote on WND, I would love to get a ton of examples of this, personally.
I spent a ton of time on this the last couple of weeks.
Just kind of casually going and clicking on as many of these as I could find.
Michael Thompson is a very generic name, it's very difficult to Google, but if you can find stuff that he wrote, particularly anything really, really early, I'm definitely interested in.
So please, if you find something juicy, send me an email or something.
Yeah.
And so, for instance, from this article, you know, Jokes Now Considered Bias-Motivated Incidents, and this was published in 2015, or no, I archived it in 2015, it's from, sorry, I got the date here, it's from 2010.
The University of Northern Colorado, UNCO, has decided it's time to prohibit bias-motivated incidents.
When you hear about a bias-motivated incident, maybe you're thinking about a cross-burning or something of that nature.
But at UNCO, the bias-motivated incident can simply be an inappropriate joke that is motivated by some form of bias.
The UNCO policy also says that any discriminatory act is a violation of the Housing and Residence Life Student Code of Conduct.
Well, what do they mean by any discriminatory act?
According to the UNCO handbook, this includes, but is not limited to, racism, ageism, sexism, and or homophobia.
And, get ready for this, included in the definition is, intentionally, recklessly, or negligently causing physical, emotional, or mental harm to any person.
Snowflake culture.
These campus snowflake social justice cucks.
He's writing this in 2010.
Yeah, he's ahead of the curve.
Oh, what, you need a safe space against, you know, in case somebody gives a microaggression?
Yeah, he's way ahead.
He's blazing the trail.
It just goes to show how fucking small-minded these people are.
He's still publishing this, by the way, over at UNS.
The Stuff Black People Don't Like blog is currently published over at UNS Review.
I mentioned that before.
And there was an article that just published like a day or two ago.
And it's called, Nobody Kill Anybody Fails.
During First Ceasefire Weekend in 70% Black Baltimore, 15 shot, 4 dead.
And I'm going to read a bit of this.
A surplus of blackness and a paucity of whiteness, or more appropriately, a city dominated by the black hegemony.
Welcome to Baltimore in 2020, a 70% black city completely dominated by black elected slash appointed officials in all aspects of the bureaucracy.
Confederate memorials are all removed.
Streets and buildings once named in honor of dead white males have been erased, racially renamed to honor the new demographic dominating Baltimore life.
If you've read The City That Bleeds, Race, History, and the Death of Baltimore, and if you haven't, get it here now!
Uh, he wrote that book.
You know the truth about Baltimore our elite have spent more than half a century trying to explain away as the fault of these pernicious white people and their insidious redlining, systemic racism, and racial criminal justice system.
Yeah, just sneering at the mention of these things is enough to just discount them.
Oh yeah, it's all redlining, isn't it?
So just saying that makes redlining just disappear as an issue, obviously.
And of course there's no acknowledgement that Baltimore was literally the hub of the slavery import system for the United States, that the largest, you know, jail, that the largest jails for escaped slaves was in Baltimore, that this was like, that's why that city exists to some degree, was as a slave trading, and like that doesn't end in 1865.
It's literally a city built on slavery and on, you know, It's been centuries now of systemic, institutionalised, savage racism, but you can just discount that by sneering at the mention of it.
Exactly.
Fucking people.
I'm just going to read the title of this one.
Another one at WND.
It's quoted to WND staff, so if you go and click on this one, the link will give you the article, so you can read it if you care.
But again, this is one where the link goes to the link shows from Google shows it as a Michael Thompson, and then it's quoted to WND staff.
Black-on-black murders epidemic in this city.
And it's about Milwaukee, so you know.
Hang on, just one second.
What they're doing with that presumably is they want to keep this material because they like the material, they just don't want it attributed to him because he's now an embarrassment.
Exactly, exactly.
Presumably.
Now, the thing about WorldNetDaily, and god, we could probably do a WorldNetDaily episode, The thing with OneNetDaily is that it's long been this kind of like far-right conspiracy-mongering nonsense site.
I mean, it's a place that, again, I've been aware of for close to 20 years at this point.
But the owner, like the kind of the owner-editor, the guy who runs it, Joseph Farah, is very, very pro-Israel.
And so what does that make him?
Controlled opposition in terms of like kind of the modern.
So one thing that I have not, well, we mentioned that Paul Kersey is currently a kind of a major host over at the American Renaissance Podcast.
That's the main form that I've kind of been aware of him is just through that podcast because that's an hour-long podcast and it's Basically, Jared Taylor and Paul Kersey.
And Taylor, which if you go back and listen to the American Renaissance episode, well, he's certainly played footsies with overt Holocaust deniers at the IHR, and he is definitely willing to pal around with little ol' Nazis.
He does keep himself far enough away from that, and he's made enough public pronouncements that he is not generally considered to be an overt anti-Semite.
And even in that episode I was not comfortable saying like, oh yeah, this guy's definitely anti-Semitic, despite the fact that he won't say that out loud.
Kersey himself is a little bit less circumspect, although I could not find a particular place to where he starts whining about Jews.
He did appear on the Daily Showa at least three times, most recently in their 2018 Election Night Live show, so November 2018, he appeared on that.
His earliest appearance is something called the Between Two Lampshades, which was very early on in like, I think, 2015.
He appears as just sort of an interview guest, kind of back in that kind of early days.
Those episodes, I cannot find those episodes anywhere.
If anybody does have those, please let me know.
They are no longer on the RSS feed.
I think that's just kind of lost to history, kind of.
You know, they just kind of got lost in some server error somewhere.
Maybe they still have them over there, maybe.
But so far as I know, I haven't been able to locate those.
So if anybody does have old archive copies of those, particularly this Paul Kersey episode, I'd love to listen to it.
So he has appeared on a show called The Daily Show at least three times, most recently in 2018, where they do talk about the Jews and how the Jews are controlling Hollywood and the Jews are controlling.
And Kirstie just sort of like elides away from that topic slightly, you know, just kind of never says one way or the other how he feels about it.
My recollection is there are a few times when, you know, there is a sort of talking with Jared Taylor on the American Renaissance podcast that he kind of has a moment of like, well, and I know you don't like to talk about this, Mr. Taylor, because he always calls him Mr. Taylor, and Taylor will call Kirstie Mr. Kirstie, and Taylor will call Kirstie Mr. Kirstie, you know.
Well, and you know, I know you don't like to talk about such things, Mr. Taylor, but you know there are certain ethnic groups that have an interest in these kinds of topics, but I know that that's really not something we should be discussing here.
And so, again, I don't have like... I think you talked about this, say now, Jared.
I probably did.
Yeah.
I don't think, I don't have like a particular moment that I can highlight and say, he's definitely talking about the Jews right there, and so I'm not gonna say he's definitely an anti-Semite.
But he certainly hangs out with them.
He certainly does not give me any sense that he's not viciously antisemitic.
So we're just gonna go there.
I mean it's kind of a distinction without a difference.
If you hang around with antisemites on antisemitic podcasts, listening to people being antisemitic, and you don't say fuck you and leave, then you're functionally an antisemite.
It's just a question of how he chooses to emphasize or not emphasize it, I suppose.
Right.
We're going to wrap up here.
We're going to take a little trip back in time on Mr. Kersey.
We're going to go back to early 2017.
This is the Daily Show episode 128.
I did not link to this, but it's easy to find.
If you want to find it, you can download it and listen to the whole thing.
I listened to it twice in the last couple of weeks.
And this is...
This is back when the show-off boys were actually enjoying their lives instead of just like hating everything and everything that they have to do because they've completely lost any sense of affecting the culture or having any kind of political power.
This is back when they thought they were going to take over the world.
This is post-Trump inauguration before Unite the Right.
They were riding high.
And this is also back when... Hey, look, they should be happy.
Hate crimes are up.
Well, yeah.
Violent hate crimes are certainly up anyway.
So, you know, don't despair, guys.
Right.
So, I'm going to link you to the Angry White Men blog, written by Eyes on the Right, which I mentioned earlier, who has been on Paul Croce for a while, and who does an excellent job covering some of the same material that we cover here.
I'll say Eyes on the Right, friend of the pod.
I'd hope he would consider that a perfectly reasonable thing to say.
I chat with him sometimes.
Daily Shoah hosts, Nazi scientists and white people should be recognized for space exploration work.
And this is a blog post, a very entertaining blog post, written about this episode, Daily Shoah episode 128.
From February 2017.
This is almost immediately after Enoch and Dunstan, Mike Enoch and Jesse Dunstan were, or Mike Pinovich, I guess that's his real name, were doxed by anti-fascists.
And there was some question about whether they would even continue to make the show at that point, because everybody lost their jobs and everything.
And this is, we covered this back in the Daily Show episode, I believe it's episode 9.
So this is kind of a weird moment for them, but every February they do Fake Black History Month.
And so what they do, and I promise you we can do... I could go through these episodes like bit by bit.
We could literally play the audio and just like gawk at it and do 10 minutes and do an hour and a half worth of material.
on the absolute nonsense that's in these Black Fake History Month episodes.
But the idea is they find some piece of kind of low-hanging fruit of something where they consider African-American people or black people in general, African-descended people in general, To be misstating bits of their history or kind of using propaganda.
Yeah, so they spend an hour complaining and nitpicking about the idea that it was a black person that invented peanut butter.
That is one of my favorite, like, I may very well do a solo episode and just go through.
There's like a 12 minute clip that I've been like just hanging on to forever.
Because it is absolutely, like, you cannot properly understand the Daily Shoah until you have understood this clip.
Anyway, this one is almost as good, and Paul Kersey is right at the center of it, and it's glorious.
It sounds, from the way you describe his blog, that he'll fit right in on this one.
Right.
And I was kind of saying, like, Paul Kersey, I can't directly say he's overtly anti-Semitic, because I don't really have a moment to where he actually said the thing that really kind of makes it clear that he's definitely anti-Semitic.
In this episode and in this blog post he highlights the fact that Paul Kersey is like lauding Werner Von Braun and going like, why can't we make movies about the Nazi scientists that sent people to the moon and how great they were?
And so when you start sitting there and going like, why do we have to be mean to the Nazis?
I think that's a fair like Pretty overtly anti-semitic, you know, like, without being in so many words.
Yeah, being pro-Nazi is kind of inherently anti-semitic, or am I crazy?
I don't know.
Right.
So, this, and I'm not going to read all, I mean, we could, we could go into all this, but this blog post in this episode 128 is kind of half about, like, the recent Super Bowl, and then they do a break, and then they come back, and then Paul Kersey's on to talk about the movie Hidden Figures.
Now, do you remember the film Hidden Figures?
Yes, I do.
I haven't actually seen it, but I know what it is.
We're making you talk about movies today.
Tell me what you think IndieFigures is about.
I haven't actually seen it, but I know that it is about the African-American women who worked on the necessary maths and calculations and stuff that were done by NASA for the moon landings.
Right, for the entire Apollo space program, effectively.
And so it's the story of these three women, and the whole point is it's based on a book.
It's based on a real history of three real women.
And look, you and I once podcasted about a beautiful mind, okay?
Yes, we did.
Mathematicians are not treated accurately on screen.
Let's just put it that way.
We also did the Imitation Game.
Exactly, yes, the Imitation Game as well.
Very difficult to make an actual movie about mathematics, let's put it that way.
Not an inherently visual subject.
Although I think you could make a fascinating movie about math.
Anyway, anyway, anyway.
I was going to say, I think it's very difficult for the people that made those movies to just make movies in general.
True.
So, Hidden Figures, the whole point of the book is that in addition to all the people that you know about, in addition to the square-jawed white men in suits and smoking cigarettes and doing complicated equations, there are people who are not included in this history.
And this book and the movie is about like these three women who are kind of stand-ins for like larger communities of like largely African-American women who worked as, who weren't as mathematicians, who worked as what they called human computers in that day.
They called them computers.
This is prior.
It's after the invention of the digital computer, but before it's so wide adoption.
And so at that time, computer meant like someone kind of working in the bowels of an organization, like doing math of some kind.
And then like all that works get double checked by all the rest of them.
And then like, so you have to be both a calculator and you have to be like incredibly accurate in your calculations.
You have to be like, it all gets kind of checked and quality controlled.
And like, there are these like rigorous rules about how it's done.
This is not, this is not, you know, sort of easy work.
And this is not like, certainly in this realm, this is not like sort of like adding sums together.
This is not, you know, sort of like doing kind of basic arithmetic.
Um, this is analytic geometry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I minored in math at university and I have looked at some of this and gone like, I sort of know what this is, like, if I had to do this, I could do some of it.
To do this is, like, my job, like, you know, 8 to 12 hours a day, sitting and staring at these calculations, and, like, relying on this for my, like, this is beyond my, like, willingness to do this, okay?
Like, this is real math, this is real math, okay?
I forced myself to follow the formulae in Capital.
That's as close as I've ever come to.
Okay, fair enough.
And I just want to highlight that just so that you understand the realities of what this is, because these men on this podcast episode are completely dismissive towards the whole thing.
Like oh there's some sassy black woman who's coming in and she's gonna do all this stuff and say like oh you didn't do your math right and the movie says like oh she did this all by herself and really there are all these white men that are really telling her what to do and she's just the the pack horse kind of doing the calculations in the basement instead of like actually coming up with all this stuff and it's like at one point they describe the math done to like make these like space probes and make these orbits happen it's like this is like your 10th grade calculus and it's like
No, this is like Calc 4.
Calc 3, Calc 4 at least.
This is high level multidimensional calculus.
These are partial derivatives.
Let's see you do this pack horse work, mate.
Fuck's sake.
Exactly, exactly.
So, um...
Oh, God.
I could just read this Angry White Men blog post because it's amazing, you know.
On the subject of the critically acclaimed film Hidden Figures, Paul Kersey chimed in to praise Nazi scientist Werner Von Braun.
Von Braun was among some 1,500 Nazi scientists and engineers smuggled out of post-war Germany to the U.S.
on Operation Paperclip.
Von Braun, whose name is actually Von Braun, I believe, but he's a Nazi, so whatever.
Inventor of the Nazi Germany's V2 rocket was certainly integral to the creation of the Saturn V rocket for the US.
As Kersey put it, without these quote-unquote Nazi scientists, we would not have gone into space.
In comparison, the most embarrassing moment in human history, in Kersey's view, was when blacks, in quotes, from the Poor People's Campaign, showed up on a mule-driven caravan to protest the misallocation, the misappropriation of funds that should be going to alleviate poverty and black blight and black crime.
And this is a quote from Kersey.
But I mean, could you think of a more stark juxtaposition of technology than the Saturn V rocket, which is one of the most magnificent pieces of machinery ever built towering 200 feet in the air, and then these blacks show up on a mule-driven cart, when there is absolutely no record in the history of Africans ever even inventing the wheel, continued Kersey.
They just show up on white technology in what, the 17th century, 16th century?
This was a moment when Ralph Abernathy, after the assassination of MLK, the day before the Saturn V launch that was going to put men on the moon, was running the Poor People's Campaign.
Poor People's Campaign was essentially some combination of direct action and PR stunt.
This is the place to get into the deep history of the Poor People's Campaign.
I've never heard of this moment until I listened to this podcast episode back in 2017.
There is, I've linked to a very nice piece by Eric Nyler, I don't know how to pronounce his name, at history.com, Why Civil Rights Activists Protested the Moon Landing.
We're running long on time, so I'm not going to kind of get into the details of like what Kersey and what the other people on the podcast get wrong about it, but they completely mischaracterize the entire thing because
They're arguing that like Abernathy is coming in and being like look at us in our big fancy Negro technology and we're riding on mules and like look at us and we're just as good as you and you know when you have like this giant piece of technology and like really the whole point was like we are people living in poverty who are being crushed by systems of racial injustice under no fault of our own who
And we're using the fact that we're riding on mules and we're kind of like, you know, doing this as a way of like highlighting the systematic injustice by comparing it to the money that we're spending on the space program.
This guy Tom Paine, Thomas Paine, who was sort of like the head guy.
At the launch at that time, or kind of one of the main figures.
I actually met with Abernathy, and they had a very nice conversation.
Payne gave Abernathy and a bunch of his buddies, or a bunch of the other people with the Poor People's Project VIP tickets to watch the next day's space launch, and they had like a really nice, you know, back and forth.
And look, this is PR, and this is like American imperialism kind of like using the space race as a way of like showing how their nuclear-armed dicks were better than the Soviets, and I'm not like defending that.
But this is actually a moment in which, like, Payne is kind of sitting there and kind of doing the... doing what seems to be, if you're... you're doing the right thing.
And he says, like, look, the money that goes into NASA is not money that's being taken from people in poverty.
Like, there are other places... Like, the NASA budget, even in 1969, is, like, a drop in the bucket in terms of, like, what we're spending on Vietnam, for instance, you know?
Yeah.
And so... Even that misses the point, doesn't it, of what's being made.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I mean... Which is that we find money for this, but we don't find money for that.
That's the point that's being made.
It doesn't matter if the money is being taken directly from programs from the poor to pay for the space program or not.
That's not the point.
The point is we... Well, I've just said it.
We find the money for this, but not this.
So one's a priority and one isn't.
That's the point they're trying to make.
Surely this is obvious.
Right.
It's obvious to everybody.
It's obviously kind of a PR thing.
I'm not trying to either defend or kind of damn Payne or anything like that.
I was just kind of saying they're completely mischaracterizing even the basic history of this incident, which was largely kind of a meeting of minds and Payne kind of like says, yes, I agree with you.
We should be spending this money on poor people and alleviating poverty, but like we can also go to the moon.
Like these are things we can both do.
Presumably this got publicity, including this conversation, so the publicity stunt worked.
Yeah, exactly.
It did the thing it was supposed to do.
And, like, Abernathy went away happy.
Everybody went away happy from this.
This did exactly the thing it was supposed to do.
And, like, Payne has a quote where he's like, if I could choose between, like, pushing this button and sending people to space, or, like, funding, alleviating all the poverty in the United States, I would not push this button.
Obviously, you know, and that's kind of the key quote that he has.
Well, that was probably really good political PR for this campaign, you know, so mission accomplished, so to speak.
But these guys on the podcast, they actually, they think...
They think that the people that turned up with the mule were sort of boasting about quote-unquote black technology and about how it's just as good as the space rocket?
Do they actually think that that's... I think there's more subtlety than that, and that is that Kersey slash Thompson and the other guys are definitely sort of understanding this is a PR stunt and this is something that's not meant to be like, look at our fancy technology.
But they use this as just sort of an isolated image.
They're just kind of looking at, like, I hate to use a word they wouldn't use, but they're using the sort of semiotics of the moment.
They're using, like, look at what black people have developed, which is like mule coats, and then what white people have developed, which is like space technology.
So they're not stupidly misunderstanding, they are maliciously misrepresenting.
Exactly.
It has to be one or the other.
Exactly.
Right, okay.
This is actually sort of an ongoing thing, that Cursey is just kind of a big fan of the Space Race.
I'm a big fan of like kind of going to the moon and Werner Von Braun.
This is something, you know, I grew up reading science fiction.
I was a big fan of the like space stuff and like Robert Heinlein and Azgazimov and all that stuff too.
You know, if Kersey wasn't a horrible racist and if he could like think past the tip of his nose, I'm sure he and I could have a very pleasant conversation about how cool like space stuff in the 50s and 60s was.
Um, that's not what he's doing here.
He's just using the space program and the fact that we have not gone back to the moon.
Like, he essentially uses this as sort of the argument of instead of choosing to go to the moon and sort of like celebrate excellence, like white excellence and white racial ability, we spent, he says 22 trillion dollars.
I'm going to come back to that number in a second.
We spent 22 trillion dollars over the course of the last 50 years.
To prove the impossible, to prove the unprovable, to make the thing happen that can't ever happen, which is to prove that black people can be equal to white people.
Although that might have been said by this other guy, Greg Johnson, who is another guy we're going to eventually do an episode about, but it's sort of all in that same.
So if Johnson had that exact quote, and it's not Kersey, They're all sort of agreeing in this moment here, so I apologize if I've slightly misquoted currency there.
But that's the essential idea, is that there's this giant amount of money that we've spent, and all of this money has meant to go to African Americans, and it's meant to, like, welfare.
It's been like this thing that's been, like, sucked out of white people and given to black people.
And because we've spent all that money, we don't get to have a good, we don't get to have cool space programs anymore.
Yeah, we don't have colonies on Mars and jet cars thanks to white ingenuity because all the wealth and ingenuity of white civilization has been funneled to black welfare queens.
Exactly.
Fucking idiot.
Obviously, this is completely wrong if you know anything at all about the history of the space program, right?
Or anything at all about how money works.
Or anything about anything, really.
But also, that 22 trillion figure, if you go Google this, you find that this is a calculation from the Heritage Foundation, I think in association with the AEI, the American Enterprise Institute.
The far-right libertarian shitbags.
Can I go out on a limb and guess that this is going to turn out to be complete bullshit?
It's complete bullshit.
It's fractally bullshit, because it's wrong on every conceivable level.
Because these guys are using it as like, this is the amount of money that white people have given the black people.
That's not how this is calculated.
This is somebody at this, like, libertarian, anti-government, quote-unquote, organisation... Of course, there's no history at all of any wealth being extracted from black people by white people.
That's never happened.
If you calculate... In exactly the same way that, you know, obsession with gold is historically a black thing, not a white thing at all.
Sorry, sorry, go on.
No, it's fine, it's fine.
You're right, of course, because if you calculate out, I don't have this number in front of me so I apologize, you know, but like the total amount of wages that were taken from black people during the period of slavery in North America is multiple times 22 trillion dollars.
Yeah, and that's without talking about the amount of wealth that we plundered from Africa.
From Africa, right, right.
No, just American descendants of slaves, which is a complicated idea, and I'm not at all in the place to be able to comment about whether that, but even if you can limit to the direct descendants of American slaves, the amount that is owed them, based on the centuries of labor that they performed, is far more than $22 trillion.
Okay.
Of course it is.
So that's one basic debunking, like, right there.
It's like, even if that were true, it's not enough, okay?
Yeah.
And it's not even, you know, there's that, and then there's the fact that, you know, American society, American capitalism simply wouldn't exist the way it does if it weren't for the slave trade.
Exactly.
Yes, of course.
I'm not even getting to... It's not like if you didn't have slavery, you'd have everything exactly the way it is, but there wouldn't be this big debt.
It literally wouldn't be there.
I'm not even getting to that.
Mind blown, if you try to give that to... Just on the numbers, okay?
We don't even have to leave the path of numbers.
We're talking about mathematics here.
This guy is literally being like, you know, Catherine Johnson, all she did was like 10th grade algebra.
Because you either... Because you didn't care to know about this number.
Actually, he does say it comes from the Heritage Foundation, so he knows exactly where this number comes from, and he knows exactly how dishonest it is.
Yeah.
22 trillion is a fake number that the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation come up with as the- Well, given the provenance, I'm stunned.
As the, like, total amount that if you, like, start back from, like, Social Security back in the 40s and just start adding together, like, all of the money that's been poured into, like, literally every social service program For everybody since, like, the New Deal.
I forget exactly when they start and exactly, you know, but this is where this $22 trillion number comes from.
This is not money given to black people.
A tiny percentage of that is actually going to, like, you could say, like, today in 2019, 2017 at this time, disproportionately things like food stamps go to, like, for instance, African-Americans versus white people because there are more poor African-American people than there are poor white people.
Because they're disproportionately poor.
Exactly, exactly.
And so this money, some of this money does disproportionately go to black people, but also African-American people don't live as long on average as white people.
And so if you're counting all the Social Security money, that has gone overwhelmingly to the white population.
And also, if you're just adding together a big sum of money over a lot of years, you take some huge program and then just multiply it by 50, yes!
You get a giant number!
It's meaningless!
What does that mean?
That's without talking about, you know, what we mean by disproportionate, disproportionate to what, proportionate to absolute numbers or proportionate to need, and then that's without talking about how much of the money then gets fed back into the system and taken back off the black people by white people who are fucking them over.
I'm just pretending to be a Buttigieg voter here and just doing the basic liberal answer.
You don't even need to think.
You don't have to think to disprove this.
All you have to do is Google.
I did this three years ago.
It took me 20 seconds.
I guarantee you.
That's how easy it is to debunk all of this.
Like, that $22 trillion number is nonsense.
And he quotes it not just here, he quotes it on the American Renaissance podcast.
I mean, it's kind of a number that he comes back to over and over again.
It's the talking point.
It's complete nonsense from the beginning.
And it's clearly, obviously, immediately, transparently nonsense as well, that he's choosing to believe.
Right, exactly.
Or claim that he believes.
So, we need to wrap up here.
We could go through this, and I do recommend, please read this blog post of Angry White Men, because it's worth it.
But they do go through and they talk about Kathleen Johnson.
Now, Kathleen Johnson, she's the Taraji P. Henson character in Hidden Figures.
The movie's pretty good.
I mean, it's not real history, but none of these movies are ever real history.
Of course it's distorted.
Of course it's using cinematic techniques to cram a bunch of stuff together.
It's demonstrating things that didn't actually happen.
Yes.
Everybody knows this is what happens.
This isn't something unique to make black people look like they're capable of doing this.
Well, I was going to say, it's a good job no Hollywood movie has ever, you know, painted a historical white man in an unreasonably positive light.
Right.
I mean, just look at... I mean, A Beautiful Mind, they actually highlight A Beautiful Mind at one point, like Kersey does, as like, you know, oh yeah, there are movies about white mathematicians.
Like, oh, you know, A Beautiful Mind.
The Imitation Game hadn't even been made at this point, so we can give them credit for not knowing about that one.
Well, in fairness, the Imitation Game actually slanders its subject, whereas Beautiful Mind whitewashes him.
Right.
So, Kathleen Johnson, she was still alive at the time they recorded this, she is now passed on.
She was given medals by Barack Obama.
Rightfully, she did get her credit at the time.
Also, just to mention, just because we're not going to come back to Ralph Abernathy, who was the Civil Rights leader who came in on a mule.
He had an undergraduate degree in mathematics, but just, you know, found that out when I was just sort of putting notes together for this.
Like, oh, Ralph Abernathy got his degree in math!
Yeah, nicely done!
Look at that!
And worked as a civil rights leader, not a mathematician.
Maybe, you know, yeah.
Anyway, so there's this long kind of exchange between this guy Greg Johnson, who One's Counter-Currents, which is a far-right publishing firm, and it's kind of an interesting figure.
Oh yeah, I know Counter-Currents.
He's a really interesting guy in and of himself, but somebody who's very, very private.
We will do an episode on him sooner or later.
He just never really does anything that's significant enough for me to give a shit about him enough to do an episode on him.
So there's a long back and forth, and I'm not going to read the whole thing.
But here's Curse, he just kind of says, as Greg said, Greg Johnson, Yes, Katherine Johnston lived during Jim Crow.
She's from the Hampton area.
She went to an HBCU, that's a Historically Black College or University, for people who may not know.
All Jim Crow was, was a check on black dysfunction.
Jesse Johnston.
Right.
Kersey.
One of the more startling things about Greg's review of Countercurrences is the review of Hidden Figures.
As it points out that, hey, that was actually a lovely courtship that transpired in this film, Hidden Figures.
Um, Jesse, it was.
Kersey.
And that's one of the main points of the book.
That's one of the main points of the book is how elegant Katherine Johnson is.
And my whole theory is when you look at pictures of her, colored pictures of her from the 1960s and 70s, you'd be hard pressed to say, oh my god, that's a black woman.
Jesse, right.
Kersey.
She looks Caucasian.
Even to this day you look at some of the events where Obama has her wheelchaired out.
It's kind of sad because it's supposed to be these black power events.
And all the people that they're canonizing that were black employees for NASA, They all passed the brown paper bag test of flying colors.
And to me, Greg is actually probably not going far enough that this movie really canonizes and lauds Jim Crow.
Because without Jim Crow, how would you ever kept Black Dysfunction in check to produce quadroons of this quality?
That's disgusting.
It is disgusting to call Jim Crow a check on blank dysfunction.
Jim Crow was a vile generational crime against so many people.
And what they're saying is such... I mean, you know, I don't even know where to start with it.
Well, and what they're actually saying, and this whole exchange is worth, like, at least reading about, listening to, because they go through and they talk about how, like, Katherine Johnson, like, this was a woman who, like, entered college at 14, who graduated at 18, who, like, got to as high in her field of mathematics as it was possible for someone like her to get, who came from, you know, A very disadvantaged place in some form of poverty, but she had a teacher that recognized her talent and she was able to do this.
And it's like, well look, the people who were talented, the people who actually could work alongside whites did.
And so Katherine Johnson is actually like, yes, I mean, she's mostly white.
They literally will sit there and go, well, she doesn't look very black.
It's like, because they can't deny her mathematical ability, although they do, you know, oh, at one point it's like, oh, it's just 10th grade math.
That's all she's doing.
And then, like, also, like, they can't deny it enough to not, like, kind of give her the credit of being like, well, it's actually, and this is a standard thing that they'll say, well, it's actually because she's got a lot of white admixture.
Her skin is much lighter.
I mean, you kind of think of her as a white person.
I mean, this isn't, I'm, I am not, like, this is not a, like, statement, like, that, you look at photos of Katherine Johnson, uh, from the 50s and 60s, I mean, she is very clearly a person of color.
She is very clearly a black person.
And in any other context, these people are all, like, one drop motherfuckers.
So, like, I'm not gonna, like, you know, the second they find somebody with, like, mathematical ability, it's like, Challenge of Tenth!
Come on!
Like, some people can make it, some people can't.
That's not, you know, you can't, you know, it's not a real black person.
The real black people are, like, out there with gold grills, you see?
You know, that's the whole thing, right?
Yeah, if she'd done something bad, it would have been, well, there you go, the slightest drop.
And if she had done one thing in her life, if she had, you know, If there was a story of her getting drunk one day, if there was a story of her getting arrested for being too loud on a sidewalk, for doing anything other than being a brilliant mathematician who kept her place and who did amazing things, they would immediately call her the N-word.
That's just the reality of it.
And so there's no... But as it is, they get around the fact that she achieved this amazing thing by saying, well, it just goes to show that Jim Crow, you know, it didn't stop the odd, you know, occasional talented one who, of course, is talented because they're mostly white, achieving everything that it's possible for them to achieve.
But this is just casuistry.
That's all it is.
They're just... It's bullshit.
It's plain bullshit.
And I wanted to put that quote in in particular because it's Kersey just over outright using the word quadroon, which is for those who are not in tune with like 19th century racism, a quadroon was a person who was a quarter African American, who was a quarter black.
So, a descendant whose grandparent was a slave, and then an octoroon is one step further back who had a great-grandparent.
That's right.
We had Richard Spencer using the archaic word octoroon in his rant recently, didn't we?
And they will kind of use that terminology from time to time.
And so, again, this is February 2017.
He's still writing for WorldNetDaily.
And this is why, and I know we've kind of spent a lot of time just kind of like pointing and laughing at the racists, because what else can you do with this bullshit?
But this is a man, this is kind of why I wanted to, this is, the big picture here, right, is not this guy doing this stupid thing and being this like disingenuous asshole and being this horrifying racist.
It's the fact that he's a horrifying racist with a writing position, like, who has a job at something that looks something like a respectable publication, and there are a lot of these guys.
There are, like, we don't know all their names, we don't know who they all are, but, like, a lot of these guys on these podcasts, this guy Jazz Hands McFeels, who's the main host of Fashion of the Nation, who's the other, I mean, we did kind of a little bit of an episode on Fashion of the Nation a little bit back, You know, is someone who has not been doxxed, who is almost certainly part of the same world.
When we do find out who Jazz Sandsby feels is, he's going to have a job very similar to this.
There are a ton of these guys.
There's this guy Kevin DeAnna, who's sort of the head of one of these organizations, and you know, there's money that's kind of going directly to these white nationalists, and what they do is they just sort of hide in plain sight.
They don't say things about the Jews, and they don't say the overtly race realist stuff.
Yeah.
in a loud enough voice that people can hear it publicly um tp usa turning point usa charlie kirks organization which is pretty you know like literally nick fuentes fans are like fighting with him over he's not racist enough right you know not overtly racist enough um there are plenty of we did an episode about that We did an episode about that, yeah.
In their private chats, I mean, they've had to fire many, many people for being like kind of quietly vicious Nazis, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And we've done whole episodes about these guys at the base and these guys at the Bull Patrol and this kind of boy talk community where they are just this kind of low class, terrible racism where they just kind of say the quiet part loud because nobody gives a fuck and they're all anonymous anyway.
And that's the whole thing with The Daily Show is just kind of like, oh, we're just going to be kind of guys in our basement talking about racist shit.
That's the whole TRS brand, right?
Paul Kersey is somebody who is every bit as horrifyingly anti-black as any person that we've talked about on the show, bar none.
Clearly.
He is 100% as bad as any of them, but because he wears a suit and tie, and because he keeps his private life separate from this, and because he was able to work under a pseudonym for a decade, He gets to do this.
And we really don't know much about who Michael Thompson, this person, is.
I mean, probably because a lot of his stuff has been kind of taken quietly off the Internet.
But because he's been really quiet, I mean, I'm not sure of anything prior to, like, 2009.
But anything this guy has done.
I have a pet theory about what he was doing before 2009.
But it's a little bit tinfoil hattie.
So we're going to kind of leave it off the podcast. - Yeah.
But if I'm right, it's going to be heartily amusing.
But that's the thing.
I'll get you to tell me after the episode's finished.
Yes, I will tell.
I have told people privately, and they just kind of go, eh, okay.
And people like Kersey have the, even though writing for OneNetDaily is not like writing for the New York Times, or it's not writing for even Fox News or Tucker Carlson, but there are people just like him who are on the insides of those organizations who are pushing all this stuff
Directly into the mainstream and who are just hiding their power level and that's why it's important to Expose these people so that we know And the really the depressing part is like, you know, Michael Thompson, you know, Michael Thompson, Paul Kersey However, he wants to call himself He has not said anything publicly about this.
This information has been public for a while the right-wing watch article kind of came out about a week and a half ago and Almost two weeks ago by the time this comes out and no, there's no further comment on it He hasn't had he didn't say anything on the most recent Radio Renaissance, which is the American Renaissance podcast He's he's just gonna stay quiet and not say anything about it and Stephen Miller's still working the White House, you know Yeah, coach Finstock.
He's he's still podcasting.
He's not He got laid off from the State Department, I guess that was just a step too far to be hanging out with Mike Enoch, but yeah, no, that's... Well, they say for every rat you see, there's ten you don't.
Hopefully that's as bad as it is.
If there are only ten, that would be better than others.
You think about all the moments where some mainstream news organization puts a photo of Bernie Sanders or even AOC and the clasping hands, the conniving Jew, the happy merchant meme.
The happy merchant, yeah, gotcha.
And there's that photo when AOC said, oh, it turns out I have a little bit of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.
They post that photo of her clasping her hands and it's like somebody made that decision.
Somebody in an organization working for a mainstream news organization did that.
And we're far too ready to ascribe it to accident, aren't we?
And I'm not one to ascribe literally everything to, like, some conspiracy behind the scenes or whatever, you know.
But we know that there are these people out there, and that's why it's important to highlight this and understand who's working in these organizations.
And if you're a reporter and you're listening to this podcast, please hit me up.
That's all I had to say.
Yeah, I feel like that's enough on Paul Kersey for now.
I feel like we've done our due diligence on that one.
Highly recommended to check out these links that I've given you.
Because there's a lot of really good reporting there.
It's funny, he's kind of a minor figure in and of himself.
He doesn't even have his own page at the SPLC right now.
Because he's kind of an also-ran kind of guy.
He's pretty quiet.
He doesn't put his face out there.
Maybe he will.
Maybe Michael Thompson will kind of start appearing in American Renaissance.
Who knows?
But he's indicative of a type and I thought it was important to sort of highlight that in and of itself.
So yeah.
Also, I did include the very last link on this links page is the paper that Katherine Johnson co-wrote.
It was the very first NASA white paper co-written by a woman, a little woman of color, and it's entitled Determination of Azimuth Angle at Burnout for Placing a Satellite Over a Selected Earth's Position.
And I will challenge anyone listening to this podcast and go look at the mathematics in that and tell me that that is 10th grade.
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