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March 18, 2020 - I Don't Speak German

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46: Tom Kawcynzski (with Crash Barry)

Daniel is joined by Crash Barry, Editor-at-Large of The Mainer, to talk about Tom Kawczynski (and a little bit about Jared Howe). Content Warnings. Show Notes and Links to follow. Stay safe everyone.

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	Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German.
	Every episode comes with a big content warning.
	Alright and welcome to episode 46 of I Don't Speak German, the podcast about terrible people and the terrible things they say.
	And when I say terrible people, I mean Nazis.
	Because you're listening to my voice and not my online boyfriend Jack.
	You know that Jack is not here, it is because he is incredibly lazy and does not actually want to communicate with anyone today.
	Instead, I am joined by a, and these are my favorite kind of guests to have, and that is people with deep knowledge that I lack, because I am also lazy.
	Today I'm joined by Crash Barry, a local journalist in Maine, who is the editor-at-large at the Mainer, and today we're going to be talking about, if you've read the headline, Tom Kaczynski.
	Crash, say hi.
	Hello, everyone.
	Glad to be here.
	And I'm pleased that there's more that you would like to say about yourself than what I just self-deprecatingly said.
	Please feel free.
	Well, you know, the long and short of it is I've been a muckraker in Maine for 25 years, print and radio, spent most of my time writing about the seamy, shady side of life here in Maine, and I unfortunately have to stay focused on this Chud Tom Kaczynski because He's just kind of, he's just irritant.
	So it's kind of like a part-time thing.
	Most of my time in the last three years has been spent working on my podcast.
	It's called Devils in Dirtbags, which is an investigation into the child molesting priest of Springfield, Massachusetts.
	That's done 13 episodes.
	You can hear that on iTunes, wherever.
	So a lot of times, a lot of my time is spent like investigating child molesting priests.
	I'll get done with the work day and then I'll just go online and I'll spend 10 or 15 minutes seeing what Tom K has done and it's weird but it kind of cheers me up a little bit, you know?
	It is.
	I can, as someone who follows Nazis 30 to 40 hours a week and who, you know, basically I have a full-time job as well and then this on top of that, you know, I can understand like if your day job is sort of like dealing with child molesting priests, Tom Kaczynski might seem like a light in the mood to kind of kind of figure, you know, as he kind of is for me, but I think we'll get into some of those complexities as we kind of move forward.
	So I guess we'll start here.
	What was your first exposure to Mr. Kaczynski?
	And kind of tell us a little bit about who he is.
	Okay, so my colleague and buddy Andy O'Brien, another journalist here in Maine, is kind of more of a Nazi watcher than even I am, and I'm pretty strict about it.
	This sounds like someone I should meet, by the way, so please put me in touch.
	Yes, he loves the podcast as well.
	Andy was watching a group on Facebook, and Tom Kaczynski offered something on that group about his New Albion project, and Andy then Googles
	Tom Kaczynski, because it's a very odd name, Kaczynski, and the only thing that shows up is the town manager of Jackman, Maine, this little town, 900 people up northwest, and so Andy and I are buds, so he says to me, this is weird, you know, white separatist movement, and the only thing I find is, what if this guy's using the town manager's name or something?
	And that was year one of working on Child Molesting Priests, and I said, you know what, let me look into it.
	So as opposed to going to work the next morning and working on Child Molesting Priests, I smoked a fat joint and then went on a deep, deep, deep dive.
	Any story that begins with, I smoked a fat joint, in this context, is a good one.
	Well, you know, when you go read this drivel by these losers, I mean, you know, it's just so awful.
	So I get good and high, and Andy, at the time... Mine is usually, there was a bottle of scotch that has been calling my name for a while, because alcohol is supposed to THC, but yeah, it was similar energy, similar energy.
	Bourbon, too.
	I can do it with bourbon, but it was morning, so it had to be weed.
	Fair, fair, fair.
	Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
	Because Andy was busy all day, because he was the editor at the Free Press of Rockland, Maine newspaper at the time, so he kind of turns over to me, because I have a pretty good, I have a pretty good set of deep Googling skills, and So, you know, obviously, first place to go is Gab, right?
	And... And this would have been, like, what, 2018?
	2018.
	January 2018.
	Okay.
	So, just to put this in context, this is after Unite the Right, just for the audience who may not be, you know, as familiar as you and I are with the timeline here.
	This is after Unite the Right.
	This is kind of in the middle of the optics debate.
	This guy, Tom Kaczynski, comes to the The four are kind of out of nowhere.
	Totally out of nowhere.
	I mean, we created a monster, basically.
	We joke about that because there he was, toiling away.
	Get this.
	First of all, the town of Jackman is embarrassed, the town fathers and mothers there, that they didn't do a better Google search of him because they would have found some of his stuff and they would have hired someone else because they had like 15 applicants.
	It was a really lousy job anyways.
	It's hard to get Municipal it's a town managers like a you know runs the town from a manager's perspective But you know small town not much going on so up until that point Kaczynski had a variety of jobs, and I found this is news I've never shared this before so it's for you So I found in a deep quiet don't worry.
	Yeah Nobody else will know No, I don't I know that's not true so get this and a deep Google 2016 I find A post on a gamer's bulletin board of Tom Kaczynski saying, Hey, I'm thinking about opening up a gaming store in either, um, Rutland, Vermont or somewhere in New Hampshire.
	Littleton, New Hampshire or something like that.
	So this is 2016.
	So this is just two years before he becomes this, you know, national alleged alt-right figure.
	He's thinking about opening a gaming store.
	So I kind of always filter stuff through that lens is that he's a gamer at heart just and Andy and I create this beast because what happened once I started going through the Gab
	Posts and he had thousands and this was 2018 So gab was only around for like a year year and a half at that point And he had many many thousands and thousands and thousands of posts so I was just going through them and I was keeping Andy abreast of it with DMS and You know, it was obvious chud stuff, but he didn't go full Nazi and I have to go much and I still didn't have confirmation that it was him town manager So I go like three months into it and it's thousands of posts
	And I find one that he talks about his day job as a town manager in Maine.
	So I'm like, boom, we got him.
	I keep on going and then I find him going Nazi and finding his wife going Nazi with like Hitler Christmas cards, Hitler Valentine's Day cards that they send each other, Hitler reposts of Hitler quotes.
	So we immediately
	Because of the timing of it and also who we were working for at that time, both Andy and I, we went on social media and really did a concerted, quick Facebook thing, pushing this town manager, Jackman Maynes, a Nazi, because we knew other people were going to cover that story, and neither one of us, because I'm like full-time on this job in Western Greece, and Andy's got the full-time editor job on a weekly, so he would write about it in a week, but we just wanted to, you know, shake it up.
	So within hours of us Posting a bunch of stuff gab post and everything and I had called the town of Jackman He wasn't in and but I talked to the city clerk and when I explained why I was calling She was not very happy with him.
	I take that she didn't like him.
	Anyways, she said some kind of disparaging stuff about him But I I just gave her a heads up like, you know this is gonna become a big thing because you know you can't have a town manager saying he wants to start an all-white Christian ethno state and in Maine and be a town manager.
	Those two things don't go well together.
	To create the new Albion project, which is this white separatist thing that he's been all over.
	His brand is this new Albion thing, right?
	He's such a schmuck because he stole that.
	New Albion, if you really want to get into ethnostates, New Albion should be Pacific Northwest because that's the New Albion that was, I can't remember who discovered that back then, but then also if you do any searching online, you'll see there's a guy in Alabama who started New Albion before him, there's a New Albion folk A record label.
	There's a guy who writes books, fiction about New Albion, a nudist colony, I believe.
	Oh, wow.
	That sounds wonderful.
	And then in Maine, we have a town called Albion.
	So it's kind of presumptive.
	The guy only lived in Maine six months before he got fired.
	He only had six months as a town manager, and he loves to portray himself as this experienced municipal guy.
	He's like, come on, dude.
	You were there six months.
	At a small town, and there's nothing wrong with small towns.
	I live in a small town.
	I love small towns.
	I'm just saying, just because you're town manager of a small town does not give you any, like, credibility in municipal planning.
	And especially since you hadn't done anything before that.
	You spent six months as the town manager of, you know, a town of 800 people, 900 people, and you're pretending like, oh, I've lived here my whole life, and these are the roots of, like, where I'm going to build my white ethnostate.
	And in reality, it's like, you've kind of lived all over, you've kind of You've been a grifter for a while, you were going to open a gaming store, you've had a lot of history of starting and not succeeding in various things.
	Yes, I agree that you are a virulent Nazi who deserves to be stopped, but that's kind of the thing that became your claim to fame.
	But ultimately, only a tiny part of your larger work history.
	It's not like he has this long history of working for the people of Jackman, Maine, and then suddenly they found out or anything like that.
	This is a very brief tenure, ultimately.
	First of all, the people of Jackman were surprised that the hiring committee didn't find that, because he had already been a white nationalist at that point when he got hired, so that was kind of surprising.
	But you're right, he's moved all around.
	I mean, this is what drives me crazy.
	He comes to Maine, now he's lived in Maine for two and a half years, but he talks like he's a Mainer and all this other stuff, but he was born in Wisconsin, grew up in Arizona, He apparently was bullied a lot in Arizona, probably by Spanish speakers, because he's got a wicked anti-Spanish thing going on.
	He's terrible about that.
	And then he moved up to Pittsburgh, and at one point, I believe he was a delivery boy of organs, body parts.
	He was doing some sort of courier work like that.
	And then I also found some court records that he owns some properties in Pittsburgh that were foreclosed on.
	He lost them, couldn't keep them going.
	Then he and his then-girlfriend, now wife, like vowed to leave Pittsburgh and never come back because he ran for office down Pittsburgh too.
	He once ran for Congress, he ran for the Congress, U.S. Congress, and then he ran, but then quit like instantly.
	And then he ran for some other like county commissioner or something like that.
	And, you know, then he quit that.
	So he's never even been on the ballot, you know, because he's always quits before he gets there.
	Before he even gets to the ballot.
	Yeah.
	That's the way you ensure you never lose.
	Like, you know, just quit before you even get to the ballot, you know.
	I have a 100% win rate.
	Yeah, totally.
	You know, he calls himself a politician.
	I run campaigns.
	He also claims he was the state campaign manager for Ron Paul, but all I can find is that he was the state coordinator for the Ron Paul meetup group, which is a little bit different, I think.
	Yeah.
	He's the assistant to the regional manager.
	Yes.
	Well, it's Cantwell.
	He's assistant to Cantwell.
	Well, not really.
	That's more Jared Judd.
	I do.
	Well, I hope we do get to talk a little bit about Jared Howe here.
	Yeah, we have to.
	But we gotta finish trashing Tom K. The biggest problem I have with him, though, is not that he's effective or efficient at anything, especially locally, because he's only got like a dozen people that are into his game up here.
	But the thing is, because he doesn't drool and pick his nose when he's talking, The other chads are like, oh my God, this guy's a genius!
	You know?
	It's like, David Duke, Billy Roper, Paul Nealon, Cantwell, all these guys are like, oh my God, this guy's gonna be the leader of our movement.
	It's like, what?
	Why are you guys smoking?
	Because this guy is not a leader.
	I actually encourage them to anoint him their leader.
	I think that will work out very well for them.
	And I do encourage that.
	It would be very good for me if they all decided to just line up behind Tom Krasinski.
	This is a man who is very clearly going to be able to organize a movement, getting 300 views on YouTube videos, being in this for like three years.
	So I do have a question for you, which I only found out a little bit ago as I was reading some of your reporting, and that is that his wife is even worse than he is, and I have no Like experience with his wife.
	So I hope we do get into that a little bit.
	Um, but you reported that they are apparently Dr. Who fans.
	And that's something that there is a small but dedicated portion of my audience that has followed me over from the Dr. Who fandom days.
	And I'm wondering if you could give me any more context to that.
	You know, it's, uh, there's occasional references in his social media postings about it, but also on the one of his cars is a bumper sticker.
	of the TARDIS.
	TARDIS, of the TARDIS, okay?
	And they're gamers.
	They're all into that stuff.
	Yeah, you mentioned his wife.
	He hates it when people talk about his wife because he's like, she should be able to say and do whatever she wants without any impact.
	So she posts, like, Hitler memes and Hitler Christmas cards and Hitler Valentine's Day cards, and she's supposed to get off scot-free.
	And she's actually very 1488-oriented.
	She will say that.
	I have posts of her saying, if you'll remember, at one point, Gab was kind of under attack with some porn bots and a bunch of leftists kind of infiltrating on that.
	And she went nuts saying, like, if...
	If the Jews start hanging out at Gab and trying to take over Gab, I'm going to go all 1488 on it.
	And she doesn't work.
	Neither one of them work.
	She's supposedly got Lyme disease and I believe Cat Scratch Fever, whatever the official name of Cat Scratch Fever is.
	Right, right.
	But another couple tidbits that you're I don't know if this is Doctor Who or not, okay, but they collect turtles.
	They've got, like, eight turtles and twelve snakes.
	Is that anything for Doctor Who?
	So far as I know, that's not Doctor Who, but, you know, like, honestly, like, you know, weirdo nerd couple goes and, like, does herpetology in rural Maine, and he becomes a town manager, and they kind of live off of savings and write weird books.
	That's a person that I would actually be very fond of, except that they're fucking Nazis.
	And not only... I want to be clear just to like, because we're, you know...
	fairly bit into this episode and I want to like kind of be clear about how extreme this guy is despite the fact that if you go and kind of click on his stuff and he has this very kind of mild moderate tone and he sounds very kind of reasonable and like oh I just want to kind of build a world in which like people like me can live etc etc like his connections are of among the most extreme neo-nazis that I have encountered like he has been on
	You know, he's a pretty overt, like, pushing-for-civil-war kind of guy.
	You know, maybe not quite as far as, like, kind of the Siege James Mason stuff, but he's well on the way in that direction.
	This is not, in any sense, someone who is looking for a peaceful solution to his problems.
	This is someone who is pretty much overtly advocating for race war at this point.
	Yeah, he's a little on this side of siege, but not much.
	But the thing is, he's a dog whistler, and I'm sure a lot of people get what that is.
	He's a dog whistler from the get-go, except for he's not that very good of a dog whistler, because he will occasionally let things slip, like Muslims shouldn't be in the United States, or the Jews control the media, all this stuff.
	He says it, and he often says it, he interacts with these real assholes that you talk about, Uh, Dingo, Southern Dingo, right?
	Like, I listen to the Southern Dingo, the OG Southern Dingo, uh, podcast when it came out, because I would listen to all this stuff, and Dingo's like, oh my god, Tom, you're like the hero!
	You're like the hero of the Western race!
	I was gonna mention this.
	He says, you're the guy.
	You're such, like, the guy we need to follow, because you can present this to normies, but you never, ever, ever cuck.
	And that's, like, Dingo's, like, language to describe Tom Krasinski.
	Which is very much like he never ever, like, refuses to go as hardcore as his, like, intocular... his questioner will go.
	Yes.
	But, uh, you know, he just refuses to use, like, kind of like the racial slurs and refuses to kind of go there.
	But, like, this is a guy who was in a forum with, like, Michael Hill and Harold Covington and Billy Roper.
	And, like, I know we haven't, like, done full episodes.
	We've done a little bit of, like, a full episode on Covington and Hill.
	We haven't done a full one on Billy Roper.
	Don't worry, it's coming eventually.
	Yeah, but he's such a loser.
	Billy Roper is such a loser.
	He's really not even worth it because he's... Billy Roper Billy Roper is a loser, and one thing about him, you know his wife once tried to auction off, have you seen, run across this, the swastika quilts these homesteaders make for sale.
	Okay, so, but you know, but the other thing about Billy Roper, apparently he's married to his second cousin or something, I don't know, that's what someone said, that he's married to his...
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	We'll just throw that in there.
	Allegedly, yeah.
	I don't know, but Billy Roper is a little boy.
	Billy Roper is an awful man.
	He's in his late 40s.
	He's been in this since he was like 17, like a personal acolyte of William Pierce, who wrote the Turner Diaries, and does like a William Pierce impressions in some of his appearances.
	Body armor all the time.
	Have you seen the body armor stuff?
	I have.
	I don't wear shoulder pads, though.
	I don't wear shoulder plates.
	I just wear, you know, this piece.
	And I looked very closely at the manufacturing date of the body armor, and it's due to expire, because that stuff has a shelf life of, I believe, 10 or 15 years.
	So, like, his body armor is older than, you know, 15 years or whatever.
	It's time for him to get some new body armor.
	But you're right, I mean, Billy Roper's an asshole.
	But these are some of the most extreme, like, people possible, is kind of what I'm saying.
	Oh, David Duke!
	Oh my god, on the David Duke Show, Tom's been on that at least two times, Tom Kuczynski's been on that show at least two times, and then would post on social media saying, oh, you know, people are very mean about Dr. Duke.
	I've now, you know, he's at some conference, he ate lunch with him, he's been on a couple of the shows a couple times.
	But even when he dog whistles, when he goes on those extreme shows, he can't dog whistle enough because they want to name the Jew.
	And like when he was on Dingo's show, like he's like talking about how clever he is.
	And then the other thing, Dingo like, and this is what I can't believe, man.
	This is what I really can't believe.
	Many times I've heard white nationalists ask Tom K for like dating advice, girl advice, all this other stuff.
	I don't know why they do that, right?
	Because they see him as a family man.
	They see him as like an, like, So many of these people are sort of, like, emotionally stunted in the sense of, you know, and I wanna, like, I have a certain amount of sympathy for being, like, a dude in, like, 23 who has sort of a limited earning potential and who kind of sees, like, I don't know how I'm gonna, like, build a life for myself because, like, I am a working class guy who has, like, a day job and do this, you know, on the side of the thing and, like, I'm never gonna insult somebody for, like, not being able to find the job that they want and not feeling like they have the ability to kind of want a family.
	Like, I...
	Appreciate that completely, you know, and so I'm never going to insult someone for that.
	At the same time, you know, kind of looking at someone like Tom Kaczynski and going like, well, this is a guy who like worked as a town manager in Maine for 20 minutes and is writing books and selling them on Amazon.
	And this is a guy who clearly has a financial situation figured out.
	He's a little bit of an older guy.
	He's in his 30s.
	Do we know exactly how old Tom is?
	He's 38, 39.
	But he always calls himself a real old man.
	I'm 52, right?
	So it's like, Tom, you're not an old man.
	You're 39 years old.
	But I think it's interesting when you talk about, like, he doesn't have a job, but, like, he talks to all these guys who work in these lame jobs, these guys that, you know, we're trying to help, you know, you wish the economy.
	And I worked for retail for, like, 15 years.
	So don't, like, don't, like, I understand how shitty, shitty jobs can be.
	Oh, yeah.
	Put it that way.
	I do manual labor.
	And every time I get fired from one of my newspaper radio jobs, I end up doing manual labor for, like, a year or two, and then go back to the next time I can get a media job, and then I'll do that off and on.
	So I'm not begrudging his listeners.
	But get this, when he, when Dingo, let's say, asked him about some advice for girls, about women, Tom K. reads a quote.
	And then at the end of the quote, he says, guess who that is?
	And Dingo goes, Uncle Adolf.
	And I'm just like, I just want to reach through and strangle these guys because it's like, Uncle?
	First of all, I hate that, right?
	But also, so Tom can read Hitler as dating advice to Dingo, but because he didn't say this is a quote by Adolf Hitler, right?
	But you know, I catch him because I listen to these podcasts and I hear that stuff.
	Like when you talk about the roundtable he had with Covington and Roper and all that, at the very end, the very last thing, after everyone does their self-promotion, Billy Roper ends the thing and he goes, Hail Victory.
	And then Covington goes, Hail Victory.
	Who's the other guy?
	Hill?
	Is that Michael Hill?
	Yeah, Michael Hill.
	Michael Hill goes, Hail Victory.
	And the last one is Tom Kaczynski.
	And he goes, Hail Victory.
	You know, like, okay, so...
	He's got that like super squeaky voice though, doesn't he?
	Yeah.
	His voice has gotten better since he's gone fired.
	Because if you do anything for 10,000 hours, it gets better.
	You get better at it.
	The dude is constantly podcast guesting.
	Now with this, we haven't even talked about it.
	He does have like a visual appearance of like the adult baby kind of thing.
	There is a little bit like the grown up Gerber baby kind of thing to his look.
	Um, and, uh, you know, again, he looks the way he looks, but... I refer to him as a skinhead!
	And he gets mad because he's not a skinhead, he's just balding or whatever.
	Because he has too much testosterone.
	But he's not a skinhead, he just has lots of testosterone.
	That's what they always say.
	No, this thing that makes me look less alpha is just because I have too much testosterone.
	That's the problem.
	They talk about their facial features, and how masculine they are, and how white they are, etc.
	He looks like a dude.
	I'm not criticizing him.
	He looks the way he looks.
	But you definitely do not appear to be the scion of the master race, or whatever.
	No, none of them are.
	That's the worst thing.
	Very few of them are.
	Maybe that guy from Sweden that's like a bodybuilder dude.
	Well, that guy is just super dumb.
	Marcus.
	Yeah.
	Well, the thing about Tom, he always talks about graduating from Swarthmore because it's a, it's like an elite college or whatever.
	And he has, he had a degree or has an honors degree in medieval history.
	And he always like, he always like kind of preaches like he's a historian, but then, you know, he never was able to get into grad school.
	He got rejected from all the history history grad programs that he applied to.
	So it was like, but he's still, I appreciate when I get scoops because someone else does work.
	This is always the great thing for me.
	It's like, yes, give me the credit for your effort.
	I appreciate that.
	his stuff so he goes there i mean the guy claims get this here's another scoop for you daniel this is another one for you sure i only found this one i appreciate when i get scoops because someone else does work this is always the great thing for me it's like yes give me the credit for your effort i appreciate that you know well we're sharing um this was a really crazy thing uh the
	The other night, I randomly went into the chat, the Telegram chat, for his Coronavirus Central, which we'll get to in a second.
	But he put something up that appeared, I screenshot it, and then I actually sent it to Hillary Sargent.
	You know Hillary, she's great.
	I know Hillary very well, yeah.
	She's awesome.
	She's been lately on Tom K. big time.
	And I send it to her, then she goes into the chat to look.
	And again, I don't go into Telegram chats, because they drive me crazy.
	I think it's like the worst forum.
	I can't stand it.
	It's terrible.
	But I went in there, and then she goes, where did you get that?
	And I said exactly where I got that.
	So I must have snapshot it just as he posted it, and then he realized he shouldn't post that.
	And here's the thing.
	He's referred to many times back in the day.
	He did things in his 20s that wasn't good.
	And he's a Christian now.
	He's a Christian Identitarian.
	Those are terrible people.
	We did all our episodes on Christian Identity, so go back and look at the X episodes.
	Yeah, that's a train wreck waiting to happen.
	Those, ugh, right?
	So, he's a Christian Identitarian, he's a born-again Christian, you know, he believes the end time is coming and all this other stuff, but back in the 20s apparently he was a socialist, but here's the news, he was a witch.
	Oh my God!
	I need that screenshot.
	I'm going to give you that screenshot.
	Yeah, I need that screenshot.
	You and I, we're going to be DM buddies for a while.
	I've got millions of these things.
	And, you know, I've got it up on my screen right now.
	Let me read it to you.
	FWIW, for what it's worth, I used to do all sorts of New Age stuff.
	Astrology, I did readings.
	I wrote sigils very well and practiced magic quite successfully, but it wasn't making me or the world better for those successes.
	So, I had to look up what sigils are.
	They're some sort of like art, you know, kind of like occult drawings.
	Yeah, occult drawings, yeah.
	I do apologize to our occult listeners, to our heathen listeners, etc.
	There is a strong contingent of that among the left who are on this podcast, because this is not my area at all, and I'm clearly not yours as well.
	There's a difference between people who do this thing and the Nazis who do this thing, and the leftists who do this absolutely reject all of this bullshit.
	I just want to be clear.
	That I know this, the audience should be fully aware of this, etc.
	etc.
	That's another rabbit hole you can go down is what happened with the heathens and all that stuff.
	And again, I'm not even... I have friends that are witches.
	I've got nothing against it, right?
	At all.
	To be clear, I have nothing against Wicca or... I kind of lean into nature stuff myself.
	I was not implying otherwise.
	I just wanted to be clear.
	But the fact that this guy is like now talking about we're gonna burn in Hellfires Eternal and all this other stuff.
	His wife will often post about the dangers of witchcraft and stuff like that.
	So at one point, Tom was like casting spells and making things happen.
	But now, no way!
	And he likes to think of himself as like an expert of the occult or esoterica.
	Which is a funny thing.
	I get the sense that, like, this is a guy who's been bouncing around for a long time.
	Like, one of the things that interests me about a lot of these figures is, you know, kind of what they were doing before they kind of popped up on my radar, you know?
	And it kind of sounds like you've done some deep digging on him, and I definitely appreciate that, but I would really love to hear from listeners who might have kind of met him in, like, 2011 or 2007 or whatever, and might
	Kind of know who this guy is because it's always kind of a big question mark in terms of that they kind of pop up there white nationalists but what I gather from what little I know about Tom Kaczynski before you know he became like this uber Nazi guy is he's kind of bouncing around and trying a lot of different things and like I'm sure he was like super racist or whatever but like he's got this this kind of background that you know this was the thing that kind of made his kind of made his name in a way
	And so suddenly now he has to kind of dig into that.
	But even since he started as a white nationalist, he's like, oh, now I'm a presidential candidate.
	Now I'm doing this new Albion project.
	Now I'm doing the coronavirus.
	I'm going to be the world expert on the coronavirus and, you know, do a daily podcast about the coronavirus and read news articles about it.
	And I hope we do get to that shortly.
	But I do want to also emphasize that, like, this guy, like, He has had kind of his own show, kind of here and there.
	Never really kind of been a big thing, but he's guested.
	Like, he's been on the Political Cesspool a couple of times in the last year.
	He's been on Cantwell's show, I think, three or four times.
	I would say at least four times.
	Red Eyes.
	He's been on Red Eyes a few times, you know.
	I was just kind of like, if you go and just Google Tom Kaczynski, or go to YouTube and search for it, like, I was just kind of clicking through, like, the most relevant links that kind of came up for me.
	as prep for this.
	We did kind of jump on this kind of quickly in terms of my own prep schedule.
	Usually I like to have a week or two to kind of prep something like this, so I didn't get to do my full prep, so I apologize.
	I got it for you, though.
	I know I had a real expert coming on, but I've been following this guy kind of low-key for two years now, so I feel pretty confident that I'm able to at least...
	I could have thrown this together, so no worries there, But I was definitely kind of on the like, oh, normally I would have gone and re-listened to like 20 episodes he was on to kind of, you know, like get a sense of it.
	Like, on top of the other stuff I already do, by the way, like that's what my prep for this podcast usually is, is like, I will go and just re-listen to a bunch of episodes that I've already listened to just to sort of You know, make sure that I'm really on the wavelength to talk about a particular figure.
	But he's been kind of all over the place.
	He does a lot of stuff with this guy, No White Guilt, who might get an episode at some point in the future.
	He did that thing with Billy Roper, etc.
	He's kind of been all over the place.
	He has not been on the TRS Network.
	That's probably because the TRS Network doesn't want anybody with his baggage, more so than anything else.
	He's always in that sort of like siege pill, white separatist, you know, kind of much more overtly Nazi side of this thing.
	And he kind of disappeared for me for a long time until he showed up on Cantwell's last show before Cantwell got arrested, which is kind of a big guffaw for me.
	And now he's doing this coronavirus thing.
	And so like I tuned into a little bit of that and it's really unlistenable even for me.
	Do you want to talk to the audience about what this coronavirus bullshit is?
	Before I jump into that, can I just mention one thing?
	We haven't really addressed the new Albion 2.0.
	So he got fired from the town manager job.
	He abandoned that after I did that story about putting the tape recorder underneath their table at the Thai restaurant.
	The fact that they go to a Thai restaurant?
	Like, this is... The thing that these people always say is, like, we don't need these people in our country.
	And the big argument that, like, the leftists, like, the cultural Marxists always say is, like, we like their food and the fact that, like, apparently he goes to Thai restaurants on a regular basis.
	Yes, he loves Thai food.
	I love Thai food.
	Thai food is amazing.
	We have great Thai food in Maine.
	We have a Thai population here.
	Refugees that came in the 70s.
	Because we have Cambodian, Thai, and Vietnamese refugees in the 70s.
	And they're very settled here, up and down the coast.
	So almost every Every major town has Thai restaurants.
	So, are you saying that Thai food is as Mainer as lobsters?
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	Almost.
	I'd say it's a little, maybe one or two clicks under, but it's very prevalent.
	And, you know, Pad Thai.
	I've eaten Pad Thai at, you know, 50 different places in Maine.
	Pad Thai, three star, no egg, is my, you know, go-to dish.
	I need some Massaman curry in Maine, apparently.
	That's my go-to.
	So, you're right.
	They go to this Thai restaurant and they hate Thai.
	They hate the people that work there.
	And also, please read this article.
	It will be the first link in this podcast show notes.
	It's a great article.
	Please continue.
	I just want to highlight this.
	I read it this afternoon.
	It's brilliant.
	Thank you.
	We don't want to get distracted by that.
	So, they read the story.
	So, after he abandoned Nualvion, then he started Pendulum Online.
	And the National Right, two things you start at the same time.
	The National Right was a political party and that turned into a political movement within the GOP to take the GOP away from the donors.
	David Duke and all them love that idea.
	Meanwhile, he had Pendulum Online, a magazine for white guys, written by white guys.
	It's just utter trash.
	It's just unreadable.
	And there's like 15 people contributing to it, you know, 60 views on stuff.
	So he does that and then he pivots again From, you know, the national right and pendulum, and he takes out papers to run for president of the United States.
	He runs for president for like three months until he has the debate with Augustus Sol Invictus, which he loses.
	There's a great, on J.P.
	Garropy's show, right?
	And there's a poll afterwards on Twitter.
	It was like, who do you think should win?
	And it was like, you know, Invictus, I don't have Wi-Fi in my cabin, and then Tom Kaczynski.
	So he came in third place behind I don't have Wi-Fi in my cabin.
	So it was a two-man debate, and he lost the other thing.
	He lost to Augustus Invictus, who is himself, well, we did an episode, yes.
	Yeah, he's... Oh, he came up here to Maine.
	He came up to visit Tom and broadcast live from Tom's hovel in November.
	And then soon after, you know, he got arrested and all that stuff.
	So when he was running for president... He was doing this, like, long tour at that point where he was, like, traveling around the country.
	He visited James Mason.
	He visited, like, kind of a little bit of everybody.
	So, yeah, one of the last appearances that I've seen from Tom Kaczynski was on, uh... I'm gonna have to... Gurria Radio, which is how, uh...
	Augustus decides to pronounce that, and again, that YouTube channel no longer exists.
	It would be a shame if someone had an archive of that.
	Yeah, please continue.
	Yeah, so yeah, that was a real captivating interview.
	So he gives up on the presidential thing, because that's just such a joke.
	It's weird, his timeline is so revisionist, because he's like, I traveled the country!
	It's like he quit the campaign, and then he went on a couple road trips to like I know, and maybe like the Maritimes of Canada, but it was definitely post the trip, post the campaign, because what he was doing was plotting his rebirth of the New Albion project, this time as a larger scale thing that encompasses Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Quebec,
	New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, all the Maritimes, and then it started growing to upstate New York.
	It's like all these non, is the word contiguous?
	They're not located right next to each other?
	Contiguous, yeah.
	He's trying to create this ethnostate idea that encompasses sort of This big chunk of sort of like far, like the northeast, like sort of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, but also like big chunks of Canada, like Quebec and the Maritimes, you know, like he's trying to pretend like, oh, yeah, we're just going to take over this big chunk of territory.
	And it is like you have like six people following you, Tom.
	Yeah.
	Well, he's counting on the collapse.
	That's what he needs.
	He needs a collapse to come.
	And listeners, this is crazy.
	I mean, if you think this is normal behavior, the collapse will come, he'll take over and install this new Albion, and it's a monarchy, and he is the king.
	King Tom Kaczynski.
	And he says, this is my favorite part, because, like, in Cantwell's last episode, he sort of questions him about this.
	Like, well, how do you, why do you get to be king, et cetera?
	And he's like, well, I'll be regent until we can elect the first king.
	And he has, like, a mechanism for, like, electing the king.
	So the king and then, like, the king's heirs become king.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No heirs.
	Am I misunderstanding?
	There's no heirs.
	I can't remember what he called it.
	It's a non-hereditary monarchy.
	Oh, okay.
	So, like, every town elects a mayor.
	All the mayors in a county elect a count.
	Counting.
	And the count is the judge, jury, and lawmaker for the county.
	And then all the counties.
	Counts get together and they elect a prince, and then the prince chooses the king, and then the king chooses the dukes, and the... No, there's one other thing.
	The fact that I was able to get that far with the litany of all the jobs there is pretty amazing, because that's like, I'm not a monarchist, but those are the jobs that he's got.
	And then you have to roll fake gopher damage and like the dragons you gotta get rid of.
	It does feel like this very, like all these guys do the LARPing thing of like kind of pretending they're going to make a society.
	But this feels particularly masturbatory to me of like we've got this hereditary line we're just going to kind of design.
	And, you know, we've got this system, and we have six people who are actually kind of involved in this.
	Well, he doesn't have kids, so he can't, I mean, he very well can't make one of his turtles or snakes into king after he leaves.
	Well, maybe he will.
	Who knows?
	The turtle king.
	I just love that in the interview with Cantwell, where Cantwell challenges him, and he's like, well, I'll be regent until we can elect a king.
	And that was the moment when Hillary was kind of posting about him.
	And again, all respect to Hillary Sargent, friend of the pod, etc.
	She was kind of posting about this.
	And she said, oh, he wants to be king.
	And I said, oh, come on, Hillary.
	You've got to be fair to our friend Tom Kaye here.
	He only wants to be regent until they can elect him king, because he's a stickler for details.
	And at that point Tom Kaczynski kind of came into my mentions and was like kind of respectful like oh you've actually like followed my thing and then from what I can understand at that point he blocked me because from that point forward he's decided to block me on Twitter so you know there's no other way for me to understand what he has to say because now he's blocked me on Twitter.
	I know that you're totally pure about your diction.
	So, regent, yes, of course he is regent.
	You're right.
	I've been calling him king.
	The only reason why I call him king, even though he's now the regent, is because oftentimes he'll slip and still refer to himself as king.
	Oh, sure.
	Usually at the end of an interview or one of his live streams.
	And he'll go, hey, well, I'm king because I created this, whatever.
	And so I'm like, ah, you're king again.
	And like the regent thing is just some like branding because, because, okay, so the Cantwell thing, right?
	I actually made a video, I sent that to you, maybe we can get that in the show notes too.
	Sure.
	This wasn't the visit just before Cantwell's arrest, but an earlier visit last year where Tom went and presented the flag of New Albion to Cantwell.
	He made a visit to Cantwell's apartment, one of the few live guests, okay?
	Right?
	Cantwell doesn't have a lot of... Nobody wants to visit Chris Cantwell.
	Yeah, unless you're gonna, you know, get some meth from him.
	I don't know.
	And Tom's not a drug guy.
	So, Tom goes in there, presents him the flag.
	That's in that video.
	It's like, he calls it his blood flag.
	It was what Hitler called his Nazi flag.
	You know, they... Well, and Cantwell laughs about, like, oh, I know that reference.
	Yeah!
	Tom Kaczynski is like, oh, well, I couldn't possibly know what you're talking about there.
	You know, this is what all these guys fucking do.
	It's so coy.
	It's so late.
	It's such a waste.
	So, but then let's flash forward to what you're talking about this last interview where it's the interview just before Cantwell gets busted, literally three days before.
	Days before, yeah, yeah.
	And that was on the phone and he, you know, was talking about his whole wet dream of New Albion and, you know, Cantwell was still impressed, though had questions of the monarchy.
	And then, okay, so Tom was full board on this, full board on the New Albion thing.
	He published two books on Amazon within like three weeks.
	About the rules and regulations of New Albion.
	He goes on Cantwell.
	He's still promoting New Albion.
	Three days later, Cantwell's arrested, and so are his computers and phone and all that stuff.
	And instantly, Tom Kay goes silent on New Albion.
	Pivots.
	Boom.
	All of a sudden, February 1, he releases a book on Amazon called, like, Surviving the Coronavirus.
	And it's written by a guy named Galen Andrews.
	But because I follow his stuff, he'll be like, oh yeah, well, I just published a book on Amazon under a pseudonym about coronavirus.
	So I go on Amazon, find the brand new book about coronavirus.
	I go through it, because you can view the first 10 pages.
	It's the same exact typography as his earlier books, with the same copyright information, all this other stuff.
	It's obviously him because it's that CreateSpace kind of like make your own book on Amazon thing.
	So then I like mocked that on social media.
	I think I tweeted or Facebooked or whatever on that.
	And then within 24 or 48 hours, he changed the name to Tom Kaczynski.
	So the cover and everything got changed.
	Yeah, I've seen the screenshots of, you know, Gaylen Andrews and Tom Kaczynski with the same cover, same title, same book.
	And Hillary bought the book, brave woman she is, and I only read the first three pages on Amazon.
	I bought one book and I was like, never again.
	So in that book, it's the Tom Kaczynski version, but it says like, Uh, it has Galen Andrews' email in it still.
	He forgot to change that when he did the rewrite of it.
	So, Tom, you might want to fix that.
	But as Hillary points out in that book, so all of a sudden this guy, he pivots from being a king because Cantwell suddenly disappears and goes in jail, and then he puts this book out, obviously a grift.
	He has no medical experience whatsoever, except for he's a germaphobe.
	And he puts his book out, which is just garbage.
	In the free section, you can read how to survive a pandemic on $100 for prepping.
	And the funny thing is, he's now a prepper, okay?
	I'm not a prepper.
	I'm a homesteader for the last 12 years.
	My wife and I have been homesteading in Western Maine.
	Before that, I worked on dairy farms and, oddly enough, an alpaca farm.
	So, I've been doing this for 14, 15 years now.
	With our goal to be self-sufficient as much as possible.
	And you know, we cut our own firewood, raise our own pigs, all that stuff.
	We grow a lot of our vegetables, but we're still part of the world.
	You know, like we don't produce everything of our own because you can't, it's very difficult to do that.
	So all of a sudden, Tom comes in and he's like, Mr. Prepper.
	And he's like, he's like the worst sort of prepper because he's like, buy bottled water, buy lots of bottled water.
	And I'm like, first of all, you should, if a real prepper would have access to good, clean flowing water within their realm or area, Or you can go to a great website called findaspring.com.
	It's a global website that shows you where the closest spring water, free spring water is, right?
	So that's where you would go.
	But he's like, go buy a bunch of bottled water.
	And then I'm watching him like do a live stream after one day when he was having like a bad day on Facebook amidst this coronavirus, you know, where he's stocked up on food and stuff.
	It's like some garbage microwave meal, you know, like some like TV dinner type thing when, you know, preppers, we cook whole foods or homesteaders, you know, it's like rice, potatoes, all the stuff that you store, all the stuff.
	So he's like the worst sort of prepper where it's like stock up on stuff right now.
	And then you got to stock up right now.
	And then he made a video where he claimed where he admitted to maxing out his credit cards to buy food and zinc.
	And colloidal silver.
	And then Hillary found his book, because I can't go in that deep.
	It's like one of the things he advocates is like, if people die in your neighborhood, to go like into their house and steal their stuff.
	And also to go to food pantries and take some food out of the food pantries.
	So that's the sort of prepper he is.
	I mean, he lives in a rental house, right?
	Not like a cabin or wood stove or anything like that.
	Some rental house.
	He has a bunch of turtles and snakes.
	And he needs electricity.
	He doesn't garden.
	He doesn't have farm.
	He doesn't have anything.
	And yet he's preaching to people how to do this stuff.
	And he gives such bad advice.
	So I hate the fact that a Nazi can try to pivot to try to shed his Nazi thing.
	But also he gives bad advice, stupid advice, possibly unsafe advice.
	I mean, people should be washing their hands, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, he rarely mentions washing hands.
	It's always like his latest conspiracy.
	Or, you know, he thinks that COVID was created possibly by an angry God because of the Chinese closing down Christian churches.
	He thinks it's End Times related.
	We're living in the End Times right now.
	And when he talked about taking out his credit card, using his credit card debt, he's like, I can't remember the link exactly, he has that video, we'll post that too, but he says something to the effect of, you know, I don't care if I take on debt or even if I'm going to pay it, right?
	It's that end-timer Christian Identitarian where they like, they'll take a mortgage out knowing, thinking that the end times are 2012 and then they're screwed because they've got a mortgage and they haven't paid anything on it because they're blown it off.
	That's the kind of prepper He is, which is the worst sort of prepper.
	I'm not one freaking out right now about what's going on with COVID because I live in the woods and all this other stuff, but also because for, you know, a dozen, 15 years, we've been worried about not COVID, but other things that are interrupting the world as we know it.
	And we want to have a more safe and I got to say luxurious existence.
	You know, like I, I have my, my needs.
	I have, you know, certain, certain amount of meat I eat and I get it from a neighbor who grows the I mean, my thing is, like, you know, I design my life in terms of living in the world we have now.
	apocalypse, you know?
	I don't want to be eating, like, ramen noodles, you know?
	He's a ramen noodle prepper.
	I mean, my thing is, like, you know, I designed my life in terms of living in the world we have now, and so, you know, my goal is to not let the current thing collapse until we have basic security protections for the most vulnerable my goal is to not let the current thing collapse until we have basic security protections for the I'm a revolutionary socialist, don't get me wrong, you know?
	I, like, destroy capitalism, etc., but But like, we got to protect the weakest among us.
	And like, we're not there yet.
	You know, and so, you know, I do feel like the like, the, you know, oh, go grab MREs, go get ramen noodles and stuff.
	That's like, okay, you got like, three months in which you're going to live tight and then you're going to get out of this as opposed to kind of a real authentic prepper thing and also like the whole prepper ideology and the whole prepper subculture is built around like grifting from like wealthy shitheads from like fearful people
	who you have programmed to think that the apocalypse is coming any day now and like that's a whole other conversation and it is kind of fascinating to see Tom K just kind of lean right into that.
	Yeah, Guam lean in, that's right, that's the way he did it and he's not even selling he's not even selling the stuff on his own because first of all he doesn't have the capital to buy anything so he can't buy like enough stuff to resell I can imagine if he had like you know like new Albion branded you know MREs or stuff you know big crates of beans you know that he's selling to his you know but he also doesn't have enough audiences He doesn't have a big enough audience to, you know, to justify that.
	Exactly.
	And he also talks about, this is the other thing that's crazy.
	He always talks about cans of beans.
	I'm like, dude, buy dried beans.
	They store better, you know, get more out of your space, all that other stuff.
	Now granted, canned beans last.
	you know, 10 years down the line, but that's not what I don't want to be living a life where I'm thinking about hold up in my bunker.
	You know, I want to live in this modern world that has all these benefits to many people.
	And I want a better place.
	So much of the prepper lifestyle that's kind of built around, like, pretending that you're still in the atomic age of, we're going to, like, live in underground bunkers because the commies are going to come, like, nuclear bomb us, you know, whatever.
	Like, this is...
	There's probably a whole episode about the prepper community that one day I'm going to have to do.
	It's all about fear, right?
	They can sell fear because people are scared because people are scared because they're pawns in this weird economic game we've got going, so they're suckers.
	I hate to say that they're suckers, but when you start buying You've seen that great Vic Berger video, the Jim Baker food thing?
	It's like when you buy like 25,000 meals in five-gallon buckets, you're going to die because of the cholesterol or the nasty food.
	That's the other thing.
	So many preppers are out of shape.
	There's a great story in Harper's last month about, I wish I could remember who wrote it, but she's like a leftist prepper and she's a novelist.
	And she went to this one in, I believe, South Carolina or something like that, and she was the only leftist there.
	And it was all, like, conspiracy and everything else.
	And she had an insight into that realm, and she walked away saying, you know what?
	Progressives and leftists and socialists, they need to become more prepper-orientated, but to make it so that we're taking care of our communities when this shit goes down.
	These guys, all these preppers are all about themselves, right?
	Like, if shit goes down now, in my neighborhood here in rural Maine, I mean just, I'm thinking on the top of my head, you know, within three miles, there are like six or eight of us that are all very good friends that would share stuff I buy my beef from someone or whatever.
	That's a community effort thing.
	These preppers are driven by being scaredy cats.
	And ultimately, there's such a – again, we could get into this.
	There's like Robert Heinlein material that he wrote in the mid-40s talking about like, well, you want to store a bunch of canned food, but you can't eat it after the nuclear apocalypse where anyone can see you because then they're going to come and kill you for your canned food, et cetera, et cetera.
	or you know, like, And there is this sense of really what these preppers, what a lot of them really want is after the apocalypse, you're going to want my stuff and I'm going to get my big AR-15 that I'm going to use to defend myself.
	I feel like that's the fantasy to some degree.
	And I'm not saying that's I mean, I feel like Tom Kaczynski is just kind of doing this as a way of kind of getting his name out there.
	He's trying to kind of build, like, the new thing.
	I don't think he really... I mean, he probably believes the bullshit about the coronavirus, and... God, we're probably gonna do a whole episode about the fucking coronavirus bullshit, because there's so much of a narrative around it.
	That's way above my pay grade, that whole thing.
	You know, I'm a very basic storyteller, I identify, so I can't go into that realm of whether, you know, of what's happening.
	When I look at him and the coronavirus, It's a grift, but I also think it's just kind of rebranding thing.
	And, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we can't allow Nazis to rebrand into things of, you know, prepper and given bad information.
	And that's what he's doing.
	He's giving bad information.
	Yeah.
	He considers himself a hero.
	He'll say, I'm saving lives.
	I'm saving lives.
	And they've got like, okay, you got a bunch of people scared.
	You got a bunch of, but he also says, like, I'm ahead of the curve.
	I'm just wondering how he's going to, what he morphs into next.
	Cause I never would have predicted coronavirus expert, but he's, he's, he's going to have to pivot again because this is going to end and he'll have to have another grift.
	And like he said, he doesn't have stuff to sell.
	Well, first of all, he's been demonetized.
	I mean, he, uh, you know, he doesn't have PayPal.
	He doesn't have, um, Indiegogo doesn't have Kickstarter, doesn't have Patreon.
	Uh, he, He tried to do that subscribe star.
	You don't do a subscribe star like a Russian outfit, right?
	Oh, don't worry.
	Don't worry.
	I know.
	I know.
	So he tied up he tied up the new Albion.org website with subscribe star.
	So like that, but he always.
	He always says, I'm about to do this campaign on Subscribestar, and then the Subscribestar thing gets rejected.
	So he's like done all this work and energy promoting, hey, if you give $5, $20, whatever, you get the flag and all this other stuff.
	But he didn't do it until he got the thing activated, which is just like not good planning, right?
	Like, if you're going to do a Kickstarter, wait till the people, because you only get one chance with them.
	If they go click on it and they can't give, it's highly unlikely they're going to come back later.
	So you don't launch until you launch.
	This is what I don't get, and I'm not trying to overthink this because I don't want to waste my brain cells on it, but it's similar to what you're saying.
	He quits a bunch of things.
	I don't want to waste my brain cells on it, but I have to.
	That's my entire life.
	Good thing for the beer.
	launch huge things, make promises, and then abandon them, but also why does he promote fundraising that he hasn't secured yet?
	That just doesn't make sense to me.
	So he did the same thing with a Kickstarter last week.
	Apparently it was going to be to fund, and you should do a Kickstarter for this, to fund foreign translation of the podcasts.
	That's like, you're going to pay someone to translate this like two hour podcast?
	What language?
	This two hour podcast, which is by its nature, incredibly time sensitive.
	Like this coronavirus thing, which is like daily news pieces we're going to do three days, like, how, like, how does that justify its cost?
	Ultimately, you know, it doesn't make sense.
	Like my whole thing with like Tom Kaczynski is like, especially kind of listening to you talk about it, because my experience is long been, and I hope we can, uh, trying to kind of wrap up on Tom K just a little bit here.
	My whole experience with him has been like he's kind of everywhere and nowhere He's kind of always kind of got his thing that he's doing But he's always kind of got the same talking points and trying to kind of like poke up and go like and now I'm running for president and now I've got this national dot us thing and now I've got this coronavirus thing and I've got you know, whatever like he's always trying to kind of be the thing that's kind of and like looking for someone that's gonna catch fire and it does feel like very much a
	Very much an experience of trying to find the audience, to find that thing that he can kind of hang his hat on.
	I mean, it's kind of, you know, entrepreneurial in, like, the most kind of value-neutral way I can possibly describe it.
	You know, it is kind of this, like, spirit of, like, I'm going to start a business, and then when that one fails, I'll start a new one, and then when that one fails, I'll start a new one.
	But it's with the deliberate degree of creating a white ethnostate and so like, fuck that guy.
	I'm just trying to describe what I think the psychology is.
	Throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks, right?
	To see which one's gonna go.
	The problem is, you already called it here, he's written the same book six times.
	It's the same song and dance over and over and it's just slightly skewed each time.
	I want to read the one about the coming Civil War.
	That's the one that, like, if I was going to buy one, that would be the one to buy.
	He claims to have sold, like, 20,000 copies of that, but there's no way he's sold that.
	I mean, the guy lies about everything, because the numbers... They all lie.
	But, you know, the one thing that I wanted to bring up, because you were talking about, like, he just kind of appeared out of nowhere.
	One saying that my buddy Andy O'Brien and I like to joke about up here, Is if you shake the tree of liberty, like Nazis fall out sometimes, right?
	And this is a little segue to Jared Howe.
	To our friend Jared Howe.
	Right?
	But Tom was a libertarian before anything, right?
	I mean, I think he was a socialist, supposedly, but I don't believe that.
	It was a national socialist, right?
	But he was a libertarian and that wasn't good enough for him.
	So then he went on to whatever.
	And same thing with Jared Howe.
	Jared Howe, was a libertarian big time, and he was kind of like thrown out of the main libertarian party for making that kind of pivot or leaning into the racist stuff.
	I've listened to Jared's podcast.
	I forced myself to listen to it maybe a half dozen times.
	His voice, his goy voice, all that stuff that he does, just drives me crazy.
	But he's more radio friendly than Tom K is.
	Like Tom K's voice is really bad, but it's kind of funny.
	But Jared's like radio.
	Tom K is a pretty good guest on a podcast in the sense of like he sort of presents this kind of very mild, moderate kind of thing.
	But you listen to something where he has to be the lead voice on it, and it's just unlistenable because it just kind of fades into almost white noise.
	You're so right.
	That's right.
	He's a good guest.
	He's a terrible host, and he's tried several times.
	We haven't even talked about this.
	He had a podcast.
	He had started and abandoned as soon as he lost the job, which was so bad on YouTube.
	Exit strategy.
	I think he did like 10 episodes.
	And then he did this Conversations with Tom, which had like 10 episodes.
	Cantwell was on that.
	Jared was on that.
	Billy Roper was on that.
	All that's been scrubbed.
	But the memes and the pepes.
	I think I found a little bit of that on BitChute when I was kind of doing my research for this.
	There's a couple that show up there.
	Unfortunately, I track a whole lot of this stuff and I try to save everything I can at this point, but so much of this stuff, it kind of appears and disappears before I even notice it.
	It's kind of one of those situations.
	I totally hear that.
	There's one video that he made with the White Art Collective and Wife with a Porpoise?
	I always call it Wife with a Porpoise.
	Purpose, not porpoise.
	Just a little porpoise.
	Yeah.
	So they put this TV show, and unfortunately it doesn't exist because it was hilarious.
	It was like 45 minutes long.
	It starts off with Tom K. sitting outside in Maine, and then it goes to Wife with a Purpose, and then it goes to some farmhand out west.
	And they were like, this is a weekly TV show and all this other stuff.
	I have it mentioned somewhere of the show, the name, I have it somewhere, but it doesn't exist.
	You can't find it anywhere.
	It's not on BitChute, it's not on DLive, it's not on YouTube.
	It's disappeared, but it was so bad, but it was in conjunction with the White Art Collective, who's like Jeff Winston and really boring white art, but they're like, Put a lot of effort into this one-time thing and it got like 250 views or something like that.
	There's no authentic audience for it and that's the thing and that's why he has to kind of glom on to like more successful content creators and this is something that like we kind of run into in terms of like my project kind of following these guys and like kind of where I am just kind of with big question marks of like who's the big person that I'm following right now because like Everyone with any kind of audience, it's kind of done.
	They're kind of like all off in their little silos and nobody is really communicating with each other.
	And so it's kind of difficult for me because I'm trying to kind of get a sense of the entire movement.
	And so I just kind of have to dip in and out of like all these different shows.
	It's like a very, you know, it's a very weird moment for me as someone who's been following this for almost four years.
	Like, because there's almost always been like, like three or four shows you can kind of follow and kind of get like a sense of kind of what the big picture is.
	It feels like everybody's gone to jail or decided to stop broadcasting so they don't go to jail.
	Yeah, or they're in hiding.
	See, Tom always wants to unite the right.
	That's what he keeps on saying.
	He wants to bring these people together.
	I know all these movers and shakers.
	He'll say things like, I know Richard Spencer, but then he'll correct himself and say, Richard Spencer and I follow each other on Twitter.
	That's not knowing anybody when you follow them on Twitter.
	There are a lot of people who I'm mutuals with on Twitter who I never interact with.
	So when we think about... I follow Richard Spencer on Twitter, although he doesn't follow me back.
	It would be amusing for her to follow me back.
	He follows Tom back, that's the thing.
	So Tom likes to talk about that he knows all these movers and shakers, right?
	And then the others, just to throw this out there too, he was talking about, until Cantwell went to jail, he was talking about his group, he has a group called Main for Mainers.
	Daniel, it's a Facebook group, okay?
	But he calls it, he goes on these white national shows, we've got a group of 400 people strong!
	It's like you've got 400 Facebook people.
	You've got 400 Facebook people who, six of them will show up to a thing.
	Exactly, six or eight or ten, and many of those are sock puppets anyways in that, because I know a bunch of the sock puppets in there.
	I certainly wouldn't know anything at all about that.
	But then they had a picnic, right, where he talks about dozens of families showing up.
	And Antifa, a couple of Antifa people went and just were screwing around in front of the house.
	It wasn't his house, it was someone else's house.
	And they're videoing it, and this car pulls up.
	And, uh, because there's been some publicity about this picnic, and this car pulls up and there's these two older white guys in it, and the white guys go, hey, this is where the white supremacist picnic is!
	And the Antifa guy goes, yeah, yeah, and he goes, you here for the picnic?
	And the Antifa guy goes, no, no, no, I'm not here for the picnic, but it's over there, and he points to where it is.
	So then these two old white guys pull up and they get out of the car, and Tom's Sergeant at Arms, Camille Patterson, whose house it was at, comes booming out, and because she saw these guys talking to Antifa, she thought they were Antifa sympathizers.
	But because we have video of this, we see all different sides of it, right?
	So she doesn't get that these guys are actual racists coming to the party, but she's like, GET OUTTA HERE NOW!
	And like screaming at him to get off her property and her husband's like trying to break in saying, no, I think these guys are here, but she was so livid.
	So they throw, they get these guys to leave and they were like people that were supposed to be coming to the party to enjoy themselves and they got rid of them.
	I'm like, that's just so classic Tom.
	It's like, you know, you, you throw this big party.
	There's only six people there.
	You get two of them to leave and you claim that there's dozens of people at the party, you know?
	Right.
	Dozens.
	And then he claims that Antifa was armed and all this other stuff.
	He makes himself out to be this weird hero of sorts.
	And it's like he's this pasty, you know, I don't know.
	It's hard to describe him because he morphs all the time.
	You know, it's like, is he a history teacher or is he a epidemiologist?
	You know, it's hard to tell.
	I'm going to agree with neither.
	Prepper.
	Rifter.
	Yeah, that's what he is.
	It's a grifter.
	Not even a successful grifter though.
	So yeah, so my, uh, I feel like as someone, uh, living in Maine, I feel like I do have to, I kind of throw this in here at the end and, uh, I do apologize for the audience because this will be a like surprise bonus episode at the end of this episode, but I do feel like we have to talk about Jared Howell.
	And Jared Howell, just to summarize for the audience, has been the rasping lapdog of Christopher Catwell for well over two years at this point.
	Close to three years at this point.
	He's this absolute libertarian douchebag who's maybe 35 years old.
	I don't know.
	He's probably younger than that.
	Who literally talks about his previous experience as a landlord.
	And for my leftist audience, will immediately seed their teeth at that.
	with no but But he's pretty awful.
	But he lives in Lewiston, Maine.
	He doesn't live in Lewiston.
	I believe now he's living in the town of Gardner, which is actually closer to Augusta, the state capital.
	He's from Lewiston, or had lived there, but he acts like he's in Lewiston all the time.
	And Lewiston, just for the audience, he makes Lewiston seem like this cesspool because of the Somali refugees.
	So he talks about Lewiston as like, oh, it's a town of 80,000 people and quote-unquote, they admit, they admitted 10,000 Somali refugees, but really that's 20,000, 40,000.
	That's like always the number of Somalis in Lewiston is much bigger than the official count.
	I have no way other than like, I'm not there, obviously.
	I'm there all the time.
	That's the big city for me.
	That's where we go.
	That's where the couple, once or twice a month, my wife and I will go out to dinner there.
	There's a couple of great bars that I love there.
	I love Lewiston more than any other city in Maine.
	It's diverse.
	It's beautiful.
	It's like on the river, the Androscoggin River, and Lewiston and Auburn are these two towns on opposite banks of the river.
	And the refugees and immigrants have saved Lewiston and Auburn.
	They've revitalized that, the front street downtown, Lisbon Street, there's a bunch of shops and what had been abandoned, you know, when the shopping malls, when all retail fled to the suburban shopping malls.
	So, the great thing is that it adds so much color, you know, not only color of skin, but color of fabrics and clothing, energy.
	I love it.
	Donnie got killed because he and his friends went out looking for trouble.
	They started a fight, and I'm not defending the fact that the guy got killed, but it wasn't like, they make it seem like these people, the white people are just walking around getting killed in the streets.
	It's not happening at all.
	That is completely unique to Jared Howell and his coverage of Louisville.
	That never happens with any other coverage of these alt-right dickheads.
	No, it happens all the time.
	All the time, right?
	So they have this ability to just stir the pot by just saying these unbelievable things.
	I remember one time he said, yeah, I was at the dentist's office and, uh, all of a sudden all these smallie kids came running in there and they took a bunch of stuff out of the refrigerator.
	And it's like, what's, you're just like making stuff up now.
	Like that's what a lot of stuff just seems like.
	He's just making things up.
	And, and it's so, there's so much banker stuff.
	So it's like his shows are half banker.
	It's half Somali crime and half Petrodollar basically.
	It goes on and on about the Petrodollar.
	For a while I was listening pretty regularly and then I just kind of left him behind and then I came back like two years later and he had not changed in the slightest and so I have no complaints about it.
	I have no worries that there was some That's the nuance that I missed in the two years that I wasn't caring.
	I've kind of plugged back in since Chris Cantwell has been in jail.
	Just because he does kind of do little segments about Cantwell and the show.
	But it's like a little two-minute bit of 50 minutes of bullshit.
	The one thing I do admire as not a morning person is that he records a show at 5 a.m. or whatever.
	or whatever.
	Because he's got to go to whatever job he's got, and we're not even sure what job he has.
	It's some sort of tech job.
	We have a source who went to high school with him and said, you know, in high school he was a pretty normal guy.
	He was also like a musician of some sort, but now he's totally, you know, like he's an anti-vaxxer, like he won't get vaccinated as a kid.
	I kind of get the sense he was kind of a normal like dude who sort of fell into like libertarian politics who got kind of really into that and then kind of found the like edgiest version of that and then like fell in love with Cantwell and started like Just chugging that Cantwell cock.
	He was the one doing most of the audio recordings that Cantwell was releasing from jail when he was in jail in Virginia.
	most of the audio recordings that Cantwell was releasing from jail when he was in jail in Virginia.
	And so he's been kind of on that Cantwell train forever.
	And he's like the last of the friends of Cantwell.
	And it's just kind of bizarre.
	Isn't he the assistant to the assistant to the assistant to Cantwell?
	Something like that.
	Yeah.
	And it's like he was simulcasting his, his podcast is called so to speak, which is just dreadful.
	Um, but he has that at his own website, but he also repost that at the Cantwell.com or Christopher Cantwell.com.
	And thus what you know, he occasionally now has the jail updates.
	And he's on he's on the like, Kent will was doing this thing where he was trying to create the radical agendas radio network.
	And he had, you know, him, and then so to speak, but Jared Howe, and then the obscene pods in which are like punk Nazis, like they're like Nazi punk musicians.
	And I haven't seen them post in a long time, so I don't know if they've gone or if they've just left Cantwell's network because I'm not going to go seek them out because it was a bad show.
	They were probably pretty talented musicians.
	And then the Bull Patrol guys.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	So it really is like the only people posting on Cantwell's website now is Jared Howe.
	Well, it's funny that at one point Tom K was talking about doing something with Cantwell.
	And another time, I remember one episode a long time ago where Cantwell was pitching, what is his show that isn't the Radical Agenda that's like more mainstream?
	Oh, the Outlaw Conservative.
	Outlaw Conservative.
	So like, he pitches the Outlaw Conservative idea to Tom, and Tom's like, you know what, Craig?
	You're good, the Radical Agenda, no.
	You wouldn't be that good at, like, dog whistling or whatever.
	So he was like, giving advice to Chris Cantwell.
	Oh yeah, that's gotta be fun.
	That's what you want to be in your life, is giving advice to Chris Cantwell.
	Although I'm kind of in that place in my life, I do give advice to Chris Cantwell, so do you want to be as much of a loser as me?
	Well, you know, it's gotta be worse.
	My advice to Chris Cantwell is, Give up everything and hope that you don't lose your life.
	That's kind of my goal.
	Stop being a Nazi.
	That's the advice I have for Chris Cantwell.
	So yeah, please continue.
	Let's talk Jared Hall.
	This is going to do witness protection.
	But it's like, can you imagine this one?
	Think about this.
	I have an exchange between Tom K and Jared where he says, Tom K says, oh, My wife really loves your show and she thinks I should be more like you.
	Like when your wife says you should be podcasting more like, I mean, more like Jared Howe because Jared's, for lack of a better word, edgier.
	Can you imagine, I can't imagine my wife messaging me or saying to me, you know, you should be more like Jared Howe.
	Like that's, that's a diss.
	That's a, that's like if Jared Howe is your like step up.
	Yeah.
	But you know who they really love, who's another Mainer that we should hit on for a second?
	Tucker.
	Tucker lives in Maine during the summer.
	Tucker Carlson.
	They all love Tucker so much.
	It's weird how much they love him.
	Well, I feel like we should do a whole episode about Tucker at some point if you want to come on and do an episode about Tucker.
	Yeah, we should.
	Actually, I should go knock on the door and knock on him when he's up this summer and say, how you doing, Tucker?
	I got some questions for you.
	Please record that and we'll air it.
	Yeah, if I do that, we've talked about it.
	We've talked about it.
	The idea of Maine having only 1.2 million people approximately, OK?
	But you've got Tom Kaczynski as this Nazi from away.
	Um, Jared, who's born and raised here and his family's from here from a long time.
	And Tom will often use that as legitimacy.
	Tom has this thing that says, Jared says, I'm a, I'm an honorary mayor, uh, Maynard.
	So like Jared gets to decide who the honoring may Maynards are.
	So you got Tom K. Jared, you got Tucker.
	And then you should have Andy O'Brien on to talk about this guy, Nick is grow.
	Who's the mayor of Waterville.
	Who's a real child.
	He's probably going to be running for governor, but There's this whole thing they brought Michelle Malkin up here a couple months ago.
	There's like four different places that shut them out and they ended up like having the meeting like in the basement of a town hall somewhere.
	I would love to have a main sub-thread of this podcast and in fact just for the audience listening here if you are a person covering some person in your local area and you want to come on this show and talk to me about it, please send me the I would love to have you on and put a shining light on your efforts, just to be clear.
	Well, it's great to have local reporters That are aware enough and focused on it.
	And that's why Andy's so very great.
	Nathan Bernard is another contributor to Maynard News.
	He's great.
	These guys are really focused on it.
	You know, like I said, I do this more.
	I hate to say because I don't want to mean the work of other people Nazi watching.
	But for me, it's kind of, you know, humor, comic relief because the rest of my day is so dirty with these child molesting priests.
	But I'm done with that project and I'm moving on to other things.
	And, uh, but I'm still kind of stuck, you know, at least checking Tom K's Twitter feed and his Facebook stuff.
	I spend probably right now 10 minutes a day on him.
	But when he does something like a live cast, sometimes I've got to watch the whole thing.
	So there's a couple hours that are wasted and it's, it's so, it's so boring, but Often in the last five, and I'm sure you know this from all your listening and stuff, the last five minutes, the last ten minutes is when these guys really say stuff all the time.
	Or there's a five minute chunk, like where, you know, especially if You know, when they get, like, out on guest, or they do a guest appearance on somebody else's show, or that sort of thing, that's when they really kind of let loose.
	And, uh, you know, so, yeah.
	We didn't mention, I think we mentioned Tom K being on David Duke's show.
	That, listen to that, is just horrible.
	Um, but it's, it's also very illustrative, because you see how these guys are when they're not dog whistling.
	When they're, when they get to that comfort zone, they kind of forget And that's where the charm of documentary filmmaking I've always found was when people forget the microphones on, you know, and I think with some of these chuds, they forget that after a while.
	I think of this like project that I'm doing, I'm kind of listening to these guys talk for hours and hours.
	It's like so much like you get a sense of like there's a verite element where even though they're doing propaganda because they're talking, so long and because they're, you know, like, they kind of can't help, especially, like, the single person shows, like, the Kaczynski, like, coronavirus thing is, like, just him kind of talking to a camera and kind of reading from a, not from a script, but he's kind of reading articles and kind of, like, going through talking points.
	And so, like, that's, I don't know, to a certain degree, that's of limited utility.
	But when they start to kind of talk amongst each other and kind of, like, run across, like, different kinds of ideology and kind of, you know, like, kind of trade ideas back and forth, that's when you really get a sense of, like, who they are as people.
	And so I definitely kind of, you know, that's, I don't know, I hate to, I hate to give away that aspect to the Nazis.
	But if that means they just produce less content, which happens when Nazis find out that I'm onto them, they just start and suddenly stop podcasting.
	Like if they all just stop podcasting and then I don't have to care anymore, like it would, you know, I'd chalk that up as a win.
	Believe me, I will not keep tracking you.
	Do you have another hobby you would do?
	What would your hobby be if you... Honestly, if the Nazis went away tomorrow, I'm going after Wall Street, motherfucker.
	Yeah, I hear that.
	Well, here's something that when you're talking about Tom K, doing these shows where he's just talking for an hour or two or three or four, right?
	Like, first of all, years ago, one of my first media jobs, I was on talk radio, AM talk radio, I was like a lefty on a talk radio network, right?
	Whatever.
	You were the token, I get it.
	Yeah.
	And I ended up being a producer and, you know, doing that kind of job.
	But there is so much Research that you have to do show prep.
	You know this for the podcast.
	You gotta do a lot of show prep.
	You gotta do hours of show prep.
	An hour of show prep is at least two hours of prep.
	Just like daily prep and I have like immense knowledge of the subjects that I'm covering, you know, that kind of comes into it.
	So like an hour here is like an hour aside, but also Informed by like hundreds of hours of like listening aside from this, you know Well, my podcast about child molesting priests was three years of research, but the the actual recording Writing of the hour long 13 hour long episodes.
	I mean, I'm you know weeks Weeks on an hour, you know, and then Tom will sit there and he'll literally live stream podcasts and all this stuff for like six hours or seven hours in a day I'd be like First of all, I'd be exhausted, right?
	Just jibber-jabbering.
	I don't want to talk that much.
	And I want to think more than talk.
	But he has this thing, and it's not the gift of gab, okay?
	It's not like he's compelling or anything like that, because there are people that have that.
	Like, I can listen to Art Bell for an hour.
	I love to listen to Art Bell, the old Art Bell episodes that you can find.
	He has a very casual feel for it.
	I love the way he has radio.
	Tom Kay is the opposite of that.
	I don't know if you've ever seen the David Foster Wallace piece about John Ziegler's radio show.
	No, I haven't.
	I'll send that to you for sure.
	It's talking about how Like, there is a talent to kind of talking into a microphone.
	There is a talent to sort of being the person who can speak extemporaneously, you know, by yourself about a topic of your choosing and then sort of like find the rhythms and find the personality and everything.
	And like, John Ziegler is just like far-right guy.
	Like, he was into Sarah Palin before Sarah Palin was Sarah Palin sort of guy, you know?
	Um, and, uh, you know, and, uh, David Foster Wallace kind of wrote this piece kind of before he really kind of hit it big because he had this moment when Sarah Palin was like the vice presidential candidate.
	But, like, I really do have a respect for, like, as someone who's a podcaster, and as someone who, like, I admit, I'm a fairly shitty podcaster.
	Like, I'm, you know, I, um, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and You're no Tucker.
	So I don't like lay that – but I'm not a professional broadcaster basically is kind of the point that I'm making.
	You're no Tucker.
	I'm no Tucker.
	But I'm also not a Tom Kaczynski.
	Right?
	You're so lucky that you're not cursed with that.
	I mean, the thing is, he also, he's like, you know, with many of these judges that you cover, he is such the victim too, right?
	Like the victim mentality thing with these guys.
	And that's part of his spiel is that, I mean, the stuff that he said about me, like this stuff, just think how much he hates me, right?
	I can't wait to listen to him talk about this podcast.
	I don't think he will, though, because it's not COVID-19, right?
	Unless it's like some late night thing.
	But he gets so victim.
	He's such a victim, right?
	And like many of these guys, that victim mentality, you know, the replacement theory, all that stuff.
	So lame.
	And so, so boring.
	You know, it's like, I'd rather him talk about the esoterica.
	I would rather have Tom K. tell me about when he was making spells and witchcraft stuff than hear him talk about, again, replacement theory or how it's all about the votes.
	They never want to talk about their actual history.
	They never want to talk about their actual background and how they got into it because that gets personal.
	Like, look, I'm a, you know, I have my own like kind of radical politics and like, but I'm very happy to kind of talk about kind of my own history in this and I've talked about it on this podcast at various times and maybe one day I'll do a full episode kind of talk about kind of how I got to where I am today.
	But like if you're if you're a Nazi, it's kind of embarrassing to go like, and then there was that time I was attracted to a black girl.
	You know what I mean?
	Because suddenly you're excommunicated from that.
	Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but we should probably wrap it up pretty soon on that note.
	But at the same time, what would you like my audience to know that maybe we haven't covered to date?
	Well, I guess one thing, because I know I might sound kind of obsessed with this dude.
	I'm really not obsessed with him.
	Other than the fact that I hate... These are people listening to me.
	I think it's going to be fine.
	What I really hate is that this guy is out there, like, inviting other Nazis to move to Maine, right?
	That's the thing that drives me crazy about this guy.
	He's like, oh look, we're 95% white.
	We don't want to be 95% white, but also, We have many people of color, we have Native Americans here, we've got the Somali, but also we have people from the Congo, we have people from Rwanda, we have people from all across Africa, but historically, Maine, and if we think about this, and I don't think about things necessarily always in an economic sense, but refugees and immigrants have saved Maine a gazillion times over our last 200 years.
	Whether it be the French saving towns, or the Irish, in fact the Chinese, but even Like, back at, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, when I was living in Down East, Maine, and I was raking blueberries one summer, writing about it, I would go by these fields filled with migrants, totally working their asses off raking blueberries, and then I'd show up at the white people field, and, like, kids are, like, snorting oxycontin and, like, hiding and sleeping and shit like that, right?
	And it's, like, the saving The thing that can save Maine is an influx of new people from away.
	And many of them are going to be people from different countries.
	And I embrace that.
	So I don't want this Chud saying, and he claims he's brought 50 Nazi families to Maine.
	First of all, I want to see that, right?
	Who are these Nazis that you're bringing here?
	Five.
	But I also want to say, I don't want him living here anymore.
	I think he's worn his welcome out.
	He has only a handful of people that actually follow him.
	He's bringing these other losers in here.
	Most people don't even want to talk about him because they're embarrassed that someone like that would live here.
	We do have racism, and there's racism everywhere, right?
	But we're on our way of getting above that, I think.
	And I think we're seeing, like if you go to the hospital right now, it's like the thing is, if you go to any of the hospitals in Lewis and Auburn, you know, like A bunch of the people working there are going to be refugees or immigrants, new Mainers, you know, because that's who's filling the jobs.
	So, like, I just love Maine.
	I think Maine's, like, literally the best place to live.
	I'm so happy here.
	There's so many great things about it.
	I mean, we've got legal weed, we've got legal gay marriage, we've got, you know, concealed carry legal.
	It's like, hey, it's anything we want to do here, basically, right?
	We only border one other state.
	We've got lots of organic farming.
	There's a real sense of community in places.
	Guys like this come in and screw it up because they do the us versus them thing.
	And the new blood moving to Maine is really saving Maine because of our graying population and all this other stuff.
	And you get chuds like this saying this shit, that's what gets me.
	So I think that's why I keep on watching him.
	I want to say, oh, he's such a little idiot.
	I got so many bigger fish to fry.
	I mean, my child molesting priest podcast.
	I'm going after the Catholic Church.
	popes and bishops and all this stuff and then you know to him to me he's just this little gnat this little fly but because of that bringing nazis to maine and being mean to people that i love i just i just really want to get him out of here you know and i don't think he's going to be able to survive in maine i think that what what's his next flip what's he gonna do please don't come to michigan that's kind of my only you know okay here's here's the prediction here's the prediction He's either going to go to upstate New York because apparently he has friends up there.
	He's also welcomed in West Virginia by those chuds down there.
	I'm trying to remember the podcast that they've got there, like Zyklon.
	Some guy, Zyklon, in his name.
	Zach Zyklon or whatever.
	You can give that to me afterwards, and I will pursue that, because I don't know that one.
	Because there are all these, like, little podcasts that, like, as much as I try to follow everything, like, I can't.
	I, like, you know, it is... It's just too many podcasts.
	The podcasts are great, because there's no gatekeepers.
	Podcasts are bad, because there's no gatekeepers.
	You know, it's like...
	And what you need is like people just like following them so that you know and just like advertising what they're doing you know so anyway that's kind of my goal here.
	You know that's how I feel about Tom and really I appreciate Daniel really having this opportunity to kind of shed light on you know the larger picture of him rather than just this kind of like town manager or king or you know that giving a complete and that's another thing about what you guys do in the podcast is Having enough time to talk about these things, even I write long things for the newspaper I work for, three or four thousand words, that doesn't even begin to touch the knowledge I have about these chuds.
	And there's so much nuance, and I would love to think about, oh, I could write a book about them, but you know what?
	I don't want to waste my time.
	I got other things to work on.
	I don't want to justify it.
	He's not worth a book on his own.
	He's not even a chapter in the book I'm working on, ultimately.
	Right.
	He's really nothing!
	But Andy O'Brien and I, by exposing him, and back to that really quickly, when we exposed him that day back in 2018, it was an example of how something can go viral so quickly, because by the end, it was a Friday, by Friday night, Washington Post, New York Times, all of them were on it, and we outed him Friday at like 11, you know?
	So in that short period of time, and then it was four days from that, When he got busted, when he got fired.
	I found out about him from like the Alt-Right podcast I was following, like talking about him being fired.
	Like that was my first experience with him.
	I believe, I believe that's the first time.
	I don't think you would have ever heard of him because the New Albion Project was just a little thing.
	Him going on Cantwell was like a couple weeks after that.
	And so, you know, that would have been.
	Red Ice was the first big one.
	I think he went on Red Ice, then Cantwell, and then you mentioned it earlier, Political Suspool.
	He was on that too a lot.
	But he's on that much later.
	Not until the last year or two I think he's been on that.
	But maybe I'm wrong.
	We'll figure that out.
	I think he was on it early, early, early, and then maybe wasn't on it for a couple years.
	But it doesn't matter.
	So many of those shows, they all blur together to me, and I imagine they do for you, too, because they guest host and all this other stuff.
	They all just hang out together.
	Yes.
	And they have their little conferences.
	Political Cesspool is one that I've been on for a while, so, you know, it's kind of one of my babies.
	He's on the radio, isn't he?
	That's James Edwards, right?
	Isn't he on a radio station?
	He's on a radio station.
	We should talk with this off mic.
	The audience is no longer caring about this.
	Okay, but again, thanks for shedding light on Tom K today.
	It was a pleasure.
	It's amazing to have you on.
	I would love to have you on again and talk about more stuff.
	Please put me in touch with anyone who might want to come on and kind of talk about other things and kind of give me information at the very least.
	Crashberry, tell us where we can find you on the internet.
	The best place to find me is at devilsanddirtbags.com.
	That's where the podcast lives right now.
	I'm on Facebook, Twitter.
	Devils and Dirtbags, I really love to have people listen to that podcast.
	It's 13 episodes about just some of the dirtiest, nastiest people you'll ever meet.
	I'm going to personally listen to that podcast and hopefully you can come back at some point and talk about it maybe.
	They're a right-wing cult, Catholic Church.
	I would actually, like, I, you know, I love that stuff, so yeah, yeah, no, I'm down for that, so.
	Right on.
	Yeah.
	And you have a Twitter as well?
	Yeah, I'm at Crash underscore Barry, and Facebook, same thing.
	I'm not on Gab anymore.
	Well, actually, I've got a couple sock puppets there, but... No, you don't have to say that.
	You know, of course, you don't have a sock puppet.
	Your sock puppet is Christopher Cantwell.
	And I'm with Maynard News, too.
	You can go to MaynardNews.com is the website.
	We have a monthly print magazine, like an alt monthly, and we've been focused a lot on the alt right in Maine, and specifically, How the alt-right is trying to influence state politics and state GOP, as opposed to, like, I go after Tom K. He's radical.
	The state GOP doesn't touch him, but these other guys have the same opinions, and that's what we've been reporting on, Nathan and Andy O'Brien.
	Which I think is, you know, not to blow smoke up your ass or anything like that, you know, but, like, which I think, like, my thing is, like, I do the big picture.
	I do the big, Like, here's what the propaganda is, here are the big personalities, here's the big kind of national thing.
	And I get people messaging me and going, there's this local figure who I don't know what to do with.
	And I'm kind of like, I don't know, I hope there's a local journalist in your area who can cover this, you know, ultimately.
	Because I don't have the time to do what I do and also, like, you know, every local person in all 50 states is all like a local areas, you know.
	And so I have enormous respect for anyone that's, like, covering their local area and really kind of digging in deep and really kind of doing the basic research that I need to then, like, plug it into the bigger picture, you know.
	And so, like, as far as I'm concerned, we're all working together.
	Oh, without a doubt.
	And one word of wisdom to those who may have that feeling like I've got this local guy, here's a trick as a journalist for many years, here's how you approach a journalist to pitch an alt-right, you know, expose, is tell them the story.
	If you tell a reporter the story, right, they're going to jump on that because they have A huge number of stories they have to produce.
	But if you say something kind of like, oh, this guy's a Nazi, that's not enough.
	You got to give them, you got to do a little bit of research.
	You're almost like spoon feeding the local journalist what you've discovered and that's going to pique their interest.
	And then the journalistic instinct will kick in and they'll go to town on it.
	But it's that journalists, and I'm not trying to defend them, but they are extremely overworked, underpaid.
	Lots of deadlines, all this shit.
	So the easier you make it, and they get inundated with a lot of garbage, conspiracy and stuff like that.
	If you can tell the story, the essence of someone, you're probably going to I mean, the fact that I'm not a professional journalist actually gives me a whole lot of ability to kind of do this for myself.
	because have some outside observer witness come in and shine light on it as opposed to you just being somebody bitching about it on social media or whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, the fact that I'm not a professional journalist actually gives me a whole lot of ability to kind of do this for myself.
	Like I can kind of just follow my muse where it lands.
	But a professional journalist, I have enormous respect for a professional journalist kind of doing this stuff, even when I may disagree with some of the decisions since the finish from time to time.
	Also, if you've got a narrative and you've got a story and you want to reach out to your local journalist and you want to give them this podcast and point them in my direction, I can We can take care of that.
	We'll do what we can, you know, in your kind of local area.
	Yeah, I think that's great, because you could give the much-needed context.
	I think that's what looking at the big picture does.
	You know, I'm so into Tom K or Jared.
	I love working with local journalists.
	I love working with local journalists.
	So that's good.
	Let's see more of that.
	Excellent.
	So yeah, we'll cut it off here.
	Thank you so much, Crash, for being on the podcast.
	Hopefully you will come back soon.
	I will.
	I want to talk more about, so to speak, with Jared Howe and all the bullshit there, and if Tom Kaczynski decides to be even more of a douchebag.
	And I hope you don't die of coronavirus.
	That would also be a shame.
	Same to you, dude.
	I hope you don't die of coronavirus.
	Yeah, well...
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	Well, there's a chance.
	This might be the last episode of I Don't Speak German.
	Who knows?
	Okay, I could just say this really quickly, if you know the real or not.
	It's a Cantwell question, really quickly.
	When they busted down the door to arrest him this last time, I was under the impression he was in his boxers or his skivvies playing Nintendo.
	But I also saw a reference by somebody else saying he was playing Pokemon or Pokemon, whatever that game is.
	I don't know.
	I knew he was in his underwear.
	I didn't see a reference to what video game thing he was playing.
	I don't know.
	He could be playing Pokemon on his Nintendo.
	So, so...
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	It's entirely possible.
	Pokemon is on the Nintendo.
	That's the context I needed.
	As a local journalist, I don't have that.
	But you, as a greater witness, you would be able to say yes.
	Me, as someone who understands what Pokemon is.
	Although I don't, because I am also old.
	Anyway, time to get off the internet here.
	Time to start recording.
	Thank you so much for being on the show, and we'll see you in the next episode.
	Cheers.
	That was I Don't Speak German.
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