I Don't Speak German, Episode 10: James Allsup and Nick Fuentes
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Hello and welcome to I Don't Speak German, the podcast in which I, Jack Graham, talk to my friend Daniel Harper about what he learned after more than two years of listening to the far-right, the alt-right, the white supremacists, the Nazis, talk to each other in their online safe spaces, their YouTube videos, their podcasts, etc.
Conversations about the far-right conversations, you could say.
Hi Daniel, how are you doing?
I'm doing well.
I don't think I listened to any Nazis today.
It's pretty, it's, it's, it's just what real life is like.
I believe so.
Yeah, I hear this.
It's not exactly catch-up, but there was something about last week's show that you wanted to highlight, wasn't there?
Yeah, no.
One thing that I put in the show notes but then forgot to mention on the show was this piece in The New Yorker by Andrew Marantz, and this is entitled Birth of a White Supremacist.
We can stick the link back in this one.
And it is a profile of our good buddy Mikey Knopf here.
Enoch, at this point, was still participating with journalists.
He stopped doing this at some point as his legal troubles got closer and closer to actually causing him problems.
He increasingly no longer communicates with any kind of media, but he used to basically talk to anybody and he would just try to troll them.
And so, for instance, with this Rance piece, Moran speaks to you not for hours and hours I think there's four to six hours of like conversations that they had in terms of kind of getting the background in terms of trying to number answers doing his due diligence and trying to understand you not.
And Inak recorded the calls, and I mean with Morantz's permission, like this was like a term of doing the interviews and doing the profile, was that he said, I have the right to release these on my show.
And so he took like little edited segments and then would play them on the show and then would talk over them.
And because Andrew Morantz is Jewish, it's pretty horrifying listening, a lot of it.
But the whole thing is like trying to mock Morantz for being beholden to the system or whatever.
Uh, at one point, uh, Morantz, uh, you know, was talking on the phone with Enoch, and he says, oh, I'm having lunch.
Uh, Morantz does.
And, uh, Enoch says, well, what are you having?
And, uh, Morantz, uh, was actually eating bagels and lox, but he didn't want to say so because he knew he would just be, you know, bounced on by, And it's just it's just it's a really good.
It's a really good piece actually claims that even after he spent all this time being interviewed for he claims to have not read it, although he also claims to know what's in it.
You know, it's bullshit.
I mean, for one thing... Yeah, you didn't read that, Mike.
Yeah, clearly.
We believe you.
A man in love with his own voice as much as Mike Enoch has did not read the thing that he spent hours, you know, being interviewed for.
I mean, for one thing, there's a piece, there's like a little bit at the beginning of the piece where he says, you know, Marantz talks about how Enoch, as a kid, he had like acne medication.
And he had, you know, like he had acne and it was apparently bad enough that the other kids kind of made fun of him or whatever.
And what we in the, what do you call it, writing business call that is a humanizing detail.
Yeah.
Enoch says this is this becomes like the thing that made me a white nationalist and suddenly like this psychologizing of Yeah, this is kind of like pathological thing that like you're trying to make it so that I couldn't have just come to these beliefs rationally that it had to be some, you know, deep seated psychological process or whatever.
And that's this totally Jewish thing and chalmudy, etc, etc, etc.
That is a well-known Jewish thing, talking about people's acne to discredit their political ideas.
That is an ancient Jewish technique.
Exactly, exactly.
I think Moses actually does that to Pharaoh, doesn't he?
Yeah, I think that's one of the plagues, right?
Not just the acne, but the acne medication, that's the thing.
So yeah, no, but again, read the piece, it's worth reading again, it's worth one of your, it's at the New Yorker, but it is worth one of your one free articles at the New Yorker.
If you have any interest in this guy at all, and if you listened to the last episode, I assume, if you're still listening to me, I assume you have some interest in this guy, so go check it out.
Yeah, that is a good essay, and we did put that in the show notes for the last episode.
I'll put it in the show notes for this episode as well.
The other thing is that we, I think we've acquired a new fan.
Yeah, I mean, far be it for me to call out all of our dozens of fans or anything, but I did get a tweet.
I figured I'll mention it here.
I'm not going to read the tweet because I don't want to call any more attention to this person than I have.
But we did get a correction, I should say, and this is a really serious correction that I take completely 100% to heart.
This is a very important issue, you know, and we should hang our heads in shame for having gotten this wrong, I think.
Exactly, exactly.
So I'm not going to read the thing, but I will tell you that the...
The handle for this guy, not the handle but the display name, is a TRS meme that you wouldn't necessarily know unless you know TRS as well as I do.
And it's actually like a couple of years old TRS meme at that.
And this person, who I'm assuming is a dude, don't allow me to misgender you sir, or madam, or however you choose to identify if that's what you are.
They wanted to make sure that I, that they knew that I knew that I did not give the full history of the interesting meme.
And that it was actually, originally they started doing it to make fun of a particular journalist who was covering them two years ago.
You're right.
I'm sorry.
I was not completely clear on that.
I said it's completely 100% about just kind of a vicious misogyny that these people have towards every person that doesn't have a penis in their life.
I didn't clarify that it started off as an epic troll in their eyes against a professional journalist that they didn't like.
And I deeply, deeply apologize for that.
That is clearly A horrifying mistake, and I do apologize for it.
I would like to note that this is the correction we got.
And in this last episode, I described to some detail that these are like genocidal racists who are producing content that is trying to insert that into our political discourse through really insipid humor.
Didn't get correction on any of that, so I'm assuming all that's 100% valid.
But on that meme, I'll admit, I could have clarified that a little bit better.
Well, what you're failing to take into account there, Daniel, is that our mistake there about not pointing out that the interesting meme is specifically a reference to one specific person.
What you're failing to take into account is that that mistake on our part invalidates absolutely everything else we've ever said in any of these podcasts.
Oh, don't worry.
I'm aware.
And I hang my head in shame.
Really, our audience should just stop listening to us.
Yeah, in fact, we're going to stop the podcast, and we're both going to retire to monasteries.
Okay, yeah, so on with the episode proper.
Welcome back to episode... this is now episode 10, listeners, and this, in a change to our announced Sorry, you'll have to wait for the spicy goodness of the topic that we said we were going to talk about because we've changed it.
This week we're actually going to be talking about James Allsup and Nick Fuentes.
So Daniel, tell me about James Allsup.
Oh God, do I really want to know about these people?
Yes, I do.
Yes, sorry.
Daniel, tell me about Names All Sub.
Why am I doing this to myself?
I don't know.
I mean, you're helping me.
This is what this project is.
Spoilers, spoilers, listeners.
I do actually know.
I'm coming in a little bit less Ignorant than usual.
I do actually know a little bit about these two guys and... Oh my god, what a pair of dicks!
So, I'll just say, like, I just had some other, like, things I was working on this week and didn't have the mental energy to go through.
Like, basically the episode I was planning required me to, like, summarize 50 years of, like, white nationalist history.
And it meant doing a little bit more reading than I was just prepared to do given other things in my life.
So I apologize, but we'll do that.
I'm going to try to do it next week, but this was one that I knew I could basically, like, prep in 45 minutes and do a perfectly fine job of, because these are two completely ridiculous figures.
I do... I would like to say that when I told Jack we were going to do this one, he, you know, a couple of hours later, he said, you know, my god, Allslip is a vile chunk of excrement.
And my response was, oh, you're taking him out for yourself?
I'm sorry.
I had actually heard of all set before you know in the name swirls around if you if you're in any way tuned into this stuff and but the most I knew about him in you know in any sort of concentrated form was from.
Kevin Logan's Descent of Manosphere video about him, which I don't know how it stands up for you, Daniel, but I think that's pretty good.
Oh, it's pretty good.
The thing is that one, like, it mostly covers kind of his early days, and, you know, he sort of, like, moved on since then a bit, and so, yeah.
Sorry, I didn't put that in the show notes, but it should definitely go in the show notes.
I'll put it in.
The other thing about that is that it's from before he and Little Nikki fell out, isn't it?
Well it's kind of before, I mean a lot of it covers kind of also before he really kind of entered his current phase.
Oh right, he's matured as an artist since then you mean.
Despite the fact that he's only 23 he has gone through, I mean he's been, he was involved in like the Ron Paul 2012 campaign.
Hang on, hang on, he's only 23 and yet he's achieved so much?
He is such a bright, shining light.
He was involved in the Ron Paul 2012 campaign when he was 16 years old.
Wow.
I just love teenage libertarians, don't you?
They're my favourite thing.
Well just wait, Nick Fuentes is 20, man.
I mean, you know.
Wow, what a pair of projectors.
Wow, what a pair of projects.
And so what I find interesting here, part of the sort of the guiding principle here was to kind of talk about these guys as like super young sort of politically motivated guys who are trying to work within, you know, in some sense within a kind of conservatism inc. you know, in some sense within a kind of conservatism System to push these sort of far-right ideologies, and we're gonna see more and more of these guys.
This is sort of an explicit strategy that we're seeing so you know someone like You know, Richard Spencer or Mike Enoch.
These are the guys in their like late 30s, early 40s.
I think they're both like 41 or 42 now.
And most of the figures that we've talked about have been people who sort of came out in this kind of white nationalist milieu in some sense or another, but who, you know, never really tried to sort of infiltrate sort of the system at large.
And both Ossoff and Fuentes have made inroads in this.
I've been with with varying degrees of success.
We can kind of talk about that as we go on, but this is something kind of real and really important in terms of like kind of understanding that like the college Republican clubs are sort of the target audience for this.
It is, you know.
18 19 year olds kind of learning how to organize for you know right wing political activities etc who are there's an attempt to kind of inculcate them with this really explicit white nationalist ideology but to do so but then to sort of pull back into there's a term this is hydro power level so.
Don't say the things that you know about, say, the Jews.
Say, cultural elites.
Phrase things in ways that are palatable for mainstream audiences, but within this mainstream-ish power structure, which you can then use your position to push things further and further in an explicitly white nationalist agenda.
There is a technical term for this sort of thing, isn't there?
What is it?
Oh yeah, I remember.
Lying.
Yes, no, it is.
I mean, these guys are all... That was a jab at them, not you.
Sorry.
No, these guys are all fucking liars.
It is interesting how much they complain about Jewish subversion of white societies.
And what are you planning on doing is to take a society that exists and subvert it from within.
This is your explicit goal.
Most like the first rule with all these people is that anything anything they accuse anybody else of doing they do all the fucking time that's like rule number one.
This this even gets to where even like the meta levels of that to where even the meta text of the thing they're accusing someone else of doing gets into something that they're actually doing there is a.
Yeah, they say it's like an old Polish proverb, and it's, the Jew strikes out as he strikes you, right?
And what this means is that, you know, basically – and again, I hate to even describe it just because it makes me sound like a terrible person, you know?
But the concept is that the Jew is going to… Cry out as they strike you.
So they're going to cry about like, Oh, the Holocaust, how terrible for me.
And there you doing this as a way of sort of drawing sympathy for themselves while they are at the same time punching you in the face.
And, you know, sort of like based on that process.
Well, This is exactly what these guys are doing.
The entire strategy of we're going to go and march, or we're going to claim it's a free speech march or whatever, but we're going to do it with flaming torches and yell, Jews will not replace us, in order to get people to oppose us, and then we cry out.
You know, when we're attacked rhetorically or physically.
I mean, they're doing this explicit thing, and yet they're claiming the other side is doing that as a way of deflecting from that.
Yeah.
So, there's several layers deep on their bullshit, and this is endemic to the entire movement, and it's particularly endemic to these guys who are attempting to distance themselves from the more explicit The more explicitly white supremacist, white nationalist stuff.
That's what's interesting to me about these guys.
I guess we should dig into who these guys are a little bit.
Yeah, please.
The reason I'm covering these guys together is because they actually used to do a podcast together.
It was called The Nationalist Review.
The Nationalist Review, that's right.
Yeah, so National Review is Nationalist Review, and it's a very clever name, you see.
Yeah.
Everything about all stuff is store brand, isn't it?
He's like the store brand Richard Spencer.
People say that, and the reality is he's the store brand Jazz Hands McFeels.
Jazz Hands McFeels is the host of the Fashion of the Nation podcast, who has yet to be doxed.
And I swear, as much as you think James Alsup really, really wants to be Richard Spencer when he grows up, He even more wants to be Jasmus McFeels when he grows up.
It is like, it bleeds off of this guy.
Whatever Fashion of the Nation says on Sunday, James Alsup is saying on Tuesday.
It's almost like clockwork.
It is amazing to see.
I find it incredibly amusing.
And this is important because, and I will just kind of, you know, one of the reasons I wanted to kind of talk about him is because, especially right after we did the Daily Show episode, is that Allsup is very thoroughly integrated into sort of the broader TRS, the Right Stuff community.
And he pretends that's not true, but he is very, very close to all of these guys.
And we kind of, I mean, he appeared on the November 2018 election night coverage alongside Enoch and Sven and Jazz Hans McFeels.
And I mean, he was one of those guys.
He has appeared on one of the kind of second-tier TRS podcasts, Exodus Americanas, a half-dozen times.
He has contributed audio to a bit that's in the main Daily Showa program called The Merchant Minute, which is all about how awful Jews are.
It's basically just a comedy bit, quote-unquote, about whatever awful things the state of Israel is doing and whatever thing of some Jewish group saying, like, maybe gay people and trans people are perfectly fine human beings.
No, no.
It's gotta be awful.
Merchant Minute.
It's a really unpleasant listen.
James Alsop has Contributed audio to a couple of those segments, like as himself, making fun of himself.
And that's, you know, he attended one of the TRS Almania.
TRS Almania is one of the kind of yearly events that these guys do.
It's sort of their like get together with the fans, with kind of the hardcore fans.
He appeared on stage at one of those, or at least he was there in the crowd.
He was called out from the stage from it.
When everybody is like super drunk, so I'm not sure exactly what was going on because I'm you know I could be eventually at the end of that starts yelling about how Everyone in this movement is going to be end up like Eugene Turblanch and be hatched to death in their bed if we don't Act immediately, so I don't know exactly what was kind of going on with all that But he got called out from the stage.
He was very clearly there.
He's very clearly well integrated with TRS he has appeared on a lot of these shows and He will not say this.
He will absolutely distance himself in public.
If he were here right now, he would say, oh no, you know what, just because I appeared on a show, you know, he's one of their guys.
Don't let him lie to you, okay?
Yeah.
There's loads of stuff in the Kevin Logan video about how he, you know, denies he's alt-right all over the place, but he's just up to his neck in it.
Absolutely.
And I mean, again, both of these guys will say, well, I'm not a white nationalist, or I'm not You know, I'm not an identitarian or whatever.
I'm just, you know, whatever.
It's such a... Yeah, you know, I've chosen to define myself using this word instead of that word, so... He's absolutely a white nationalist.
Just to jump to Fuentes briefly, I watched this video that he did because he was trying to do this event at ISU, Iowa State University, and apparently there's some drama where he did a video called ISU Republicans BETRAY ME, all in caps there, and I have not watched that video, but apparently He was supposed to give a speech, and then the kind of local Republicans decided, oh, you're a little bit too far out there for us, because we don't like being associated with explicit white nationalism.
And so he gave his little speech, just kind of standing out in the snow there, mostly to the counter-demonstrators, which is interesting.
And he says, you know, I'm not a white nationalist.
I'm white, and I'm a nationalist.
And, you know, I just think that this country should be made for the citizens, and we should be taking their needs in first.
That is true.
That's what he says in public, surrounded by counter demonstrators.
On his show, if you watch any of it at all, he will say routinely...
We need to pay attention to the founding stock of this country.
The founding stock!
He will talk to great lengths about the Immigration Act of 1790 in which citizenship was granted only to free white men of good character.
He will bemoan the 1965 Immigration Act.
He is absolutely in favor of white people and white people only.
He just is, like, clever enough to not, like, say all that explicit shit in front of, like, people who are... He just doesn't say it close enough to people who are not actively paying attention to him who oppose him.
You know, and that's part of the thing is like if you bury all this shit in like hours and hours of content because he produces basically a 90-minute show five days a week and You've got to kind of be there to you know Watch enough of it to sort of get the sense of like what he's actually saying It's not hard to find but you have to dig through it and find it, you know, and and that's kind of the point But look this is this is very much you scratch the surface and you find this stuff all over the place He has like videos where he has his little whiteboard and he'll pull it up and it'll go, you know
Good quality is on one side, and it's, you know, like, Christian, white, etc, etc, and then, like, three of the things on the other side of all the bad things are Jewish.
And he swears that that's about, like, religious, not ethnic identity, but it's pretty clear it's about ethnic identity.
Anyway, not to get off on Nick Fuentes immediately, but both of these guys do this shit.
That one was in my head because I watched it 45 minutes before we started recording here, just to get a sense of what was going on.
So anyway, these guys first came to my notice sometime in September or October of 2017 because they had been doing this show called The Nationalist Review, and they did it together.
Now, this was on the scale of these shows.
Better than most.
And that's because these two have kind of slightly different kind of political identities.
And if you're just kind of listening to it, and like, so many of these shows are just absolutely atrociously produced and kind of really terrible to listen to.
Just really, really difficult listens, and it's mostly like white guys yelling about the Jews in your earphones all day.
Um, these guys are, you know, they're a cut above that.
They're, um, they're a little bit more erudite.
They're a little bit, uh, more interesting.
They, and they sort of had slightly, slightly differing ideologies, um, basically around Donald Trump.
Because, um, you know, AllSup is a lot more like somebody like, uh, Jazz Hands McPhails, who we will cover in detail in a future episode, I promise.
But, um, it's much more sort of the idea is we have to sort of push Trump to do the things that we want him to do and we can't sort of take half measures as an answer.
And there is some defense of Trump when they want to spin it, but it's more, you know, we have to sort of be activists in our own right and kind of make Trump do the things we want him to do.
Fuentes is a 100% like, "I want to sit at the altar of Donald Trump's cock and worship everything this man says." You know, there's always a...
There's always this sort of thing of like, there's a plan, there's this thing that's happening behind the scenes, and it's like what they call 88 dimensional chess, where it's not 3D or 4D chess, it's 88 dimensional chess.
88 of course being, 88 is Heil Hitler.
Sorry, just want to throw that in case people didn't know that.
So I first discovered them through this show, and it lasted for a little while, about eight months.
There was trouble in paradise, however, because these people cannot get along to save their fucking lives.
This show like completely collapsed over and the details are a little I mean I haven't I haven't kind of like it's been a while now because this was like early 2018 so it's been a little bit over a year since since they kind of broke up the you know the band there but um Fuentes complains that Allsup has not been showing up on time to the recordings and that he missed some recordings.
Allsup at the time was finishing his last semester of college, and so Allsup says, well, no, I was finishing up my classes and I had all this other stuff to do, and so I missed some stuff, but now I've graduated and I'm gonna be here, you know, kind of more full-time.
So Fuentes claims, you know, he's not around enough.
Also, for his part, claims that Fuentes was not really taking the recording seriously and that he was kind of not doing the prep work and that he was complaining all the time that he didn't have a good enough computer to really do the live streams.
Because they were trying to get this quote-unquote company off the ground where they were going to build this little media empire between the two of them and then they had this third guy named Matt who apparently is an old friend of Nick Fuentes but has sort of gone with James Alsup in the divorce, which is okay.
media empire between the two of them and then they have this third guy named matt who apparently is a old friend of nick fuentes but has sort of gone with james allsup in the divorce which is okay um and uh you know fuentes was trying to get the company to buy him a new computer but then allsup wasn't responding fast enough to him and i mean it's this petty fucking bullshit right like it's completely petty nonsense um
And Fuentes was trying to get the company to buy him a new computer but then Alsup wasn't responding fast enough to him.
And I mean it's just petty fucking bullshit, right?
Like it's completely petty nonsense.
and uh they just broke up over it um and then like there's apparently a lawsuit that happened um so they like hired fucking lawyers there can't be more than like a couple of thousand dollars involved in this thing i mean you know like the amount of like there's not real money i mean not to say that like i mean i would miss you know a few hundred a I would like to have that.
But, like, you know, the idea that they got lawyers involved over what had to be, like, a minuscule sum of money, unless they had some sort of outside investor, which is possible, that, you know, some shadowy guy kind of gave them 30 grand or something.
I don't know.
Like, but, like, it seems like... It sounds like the sort of thing they should get Judge Janine to sort out.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
I would be on board with that.
So they sat and they like whined at each other, you know, over social media forever.
Because at this point, I believe James Alsop still had a Twitter at this point.
He was one of those that kind of got banned and like, no, he did not have a Twitter.
But he was complaining on his show, and he actually did a YouTube video, which is now deleted, and unfortunately I don't think it's anywhere in my archives, where he described his side of the story, and Fuentes described his side of the story, and they just kind of went after each other, and then they both appeared on this thing called the Ralph Retort at some point, I'm getting strong deja vu from the Sarkeesian effect at this point.
Oh yes!
If anything, the issues were even more petty and even more vicious.
But yes, you're right, the Arrheni-Owen fight.
This is very much that same kind of fight.
They both appeared on this thing called the Ralph Retort and they argued with each other.
So what's interesting is that aside from all of that, they clearly have like kind of differing perspectives about what the best way to sort of take their little media empires were.
Now, what Fuentes does is he's like a very kind of heavily, they've both kind of migrated to YouTube for a while, also was trying to kind of build the podcast into something and kind of like do a different kind of show.
He invited some other guests on.
He was kind of associated with this group, Identity Europa, which as of this weekend no longer exists, but maybe he does.
Yeah, they're now calling it the American Identity Movement, but like, that's again a whole other story, but this is basically a group of people who are doing this, like Unity Europa is trying to do like street-level activism and kind of infiltrating college Republican clubs as a group trying to sort of do this same kind of thing, so they're kind of included in this, you know.
It's a separate enough thing that I'd like to cover it as its own episode, but it's a similar kind of thing of like trying to pretend we're mainstream Republicans when really we're like fucking Nazis.
Yeah, that sort of tendency is active in the UK as well.
Oh yeah and I mean ultimately what they're all trying to do is something like that.
They're all kind of working in this in this kind of area of we're pretending to be one thing but really we're another thing but like it's like I would be completely like I do not like I don't want to be unfair to these people.
Like, I want to make that completely clear.
Yeah, you don't need to be, do you?
I will not call James Alston a white nationalist if I do not have, like, really clear evidence that he's a fucking white nationalist, alright?
Like, all you have to do is watch his shows, and I could point out, like, I could take any one of his videos, and this is actually where I was gonna go with this, like, what he's doing on his channel Is making basically like clickbaity videos that I'll have, you know, kind of clickbait headlines like, you know, woman cries hate crime over pollen on car, for instance, or, you know, PragerU is totally wrong about immigration.
Yeah, I agree with you, James.
PragerU is full of shit, but not for the reasons you think they are.
that more immigration is kind of better for America because better for corporations and improves GDP.
I agree with you, James.
PragerU is full of shit, but not for the reasons you think they are.
College students to pay reparations fine for slavery.
That's just like three or four that are on the front page of his channel here.
Um, and he's been doing this for a while.
And these are designed to have, you know, again, to look like a kind of standard, like a Tim Pool-like, or sort of a, a, um... Chris Raygun.
Chris Raygun kind of, kind of this sort of alt-lighting, not really racist, but kind of, you know, approaching that thing kind of idea.
And then he buries these kind of white nationalist talking points, this sort of white nationalist framing within these videos.
And in that Ralph Retort stream, which I'm linking, the full stream was like 80 hours long, the video I've linked is like 90 minutes long, and there's maybe like 15 minutes in the middle where While these two are kind of arguing back and forth he lays out this cunning quote-unquote cunning plan of Burying these things within that within the one of the videos, but it's very clear What he's doing is he's you know he's trying to talk about like you know
You know, oh, how terrible, um, you know, left-wingers are, how terrible Antifa is, etc.
But then to do this in a way that ultimately kind of shifts, like, sort of the, like, to mix demographics and sort of racial, um, the failures of racial reconciliation puts that kind of forefront in the mind.
Um, they're very well produced, um, actually.
I mean, I'm, you know, he's also a bit scary because he's actually sort of good at this.
And I can definitely see that people who don't know these memes the way I do and who don't kind of see the seams in it, who kind of watch it casually, could easily be convinced by this stuff.
This is really dangerous.
Also, Allsup has like 400,000 YouTube subscribers or something similar to that.
I don't have it right in front of me here.
But he has hundreds of thousands of YouTube subscribers.
His top videos have millions of views.
I think the top one has about 8 million views.
Which makes him one of the single largest sources in the alt-right in this white nationalist thing.
He is by far...
He is...
With several hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, even kind of like 300,000, he would easily equip something like the Daily Show in terms of his impact, in terms of the number of people he's able to reach.
That by itself makes him incredibly dangerous.
Yeah, and the fact that he's sort of burying this ideology within something that is other that's meant to appeal to this sort of like, edgy, but not let's just kind of edgy conservatism, right?
You know, he's in that that's sort of the goal.
Um, you know, so again, if you look at the show notes, there are multiple websites called nationalist review, because there's an original podcast feed.
And then a secondary podcast features only a few episodes in it because when also took over he didn't have the password to the original files and so.
What is kept that but then didn't pay for it and so it's all gone now but in the few episodes that are up there that hasn't been updated in forever.
The American First Media because then they each wanted the access to the word America First as their branding.
So there's like America First with Nick Fuentes and then there's America First Media which is Allsup's thing.
And apparently this guy, Matt, is still updating the America First Media website, but mostly through text.
And I think they might be putting up Allsup's videos there as well.
But it seems to be he's sort of there and sort of not.
It still lists Nick Fuentes as one of the contributors, so they're just not updating their websites very often.
So if Allsup has kind of gone this direction of pushing these kind of clickbaity things and kind of like worming his way into the mainstream that way, Nick Fuentes has gone full on YouTube streaming star.
And I put the word star in many, many levels of irony there.
Um, so this has um, he also has a couple I think about 10,000 subscribers I was gonna say it was sort of my impression just from clicking around a bit that Fuentes is kind of doing a bit better than all sup after the after the split and No, I mean, if anything, I mean, it just kind of depends on what you're looking at.
I mean, from my end, AllSup has managed to sort of stay, um, I mean, he gets, A, he's got 20 times, I just looked at Nick Fuentes, he's got 22,000 subscribers on YouTube.
So, um, AllSup has 20 times that in terms of his, in terms of his potential reach.
Nick Fuentes seems to be more, people seem more aware of him, though.
He tends, I mean, often it's in the context of, you know, having the pest taken out of him, but, um, I think that's probably true.
I think that also manages to kind of stay, he managed to kind of keep his name off of things a little bit more.
Whereas Fuentes, I think that people know who Fuentes is, but they don't like him very much.
His fans will call him Nick the Knife.
Because he's constantly fighting with everybody else in the movement.
He has told off Richard Spencer at least once.
Richard Spencer thinks he's a pipsqueak.
Fuentes thinks Richard Spencer is gay.
He didn't use the word gay.
Not that that's anything awful, but he used the slur there.
And he thinks that Richard Spencer is this effete intellectual who's not actually involved in actually fighting for the white race, etc.
Nick Fuentes tried to... The idea of calling Richard Spencer an intellectual of all things.
Right.
The idea of Nick Fuentes on one stream, I don't think it was on, it wasn't on his show, but it was on another show, this guy Patrick Little, who again we will cover in more detail, but who is a former US Marine who is a big guy, over six feet tall, has weapons training.
He was working security at Unite the Right by his own admission.
I haven't seen outside documentary evidence of that, but like I have no doubt he was there.
I know he was there.
And apparently he was working as part of like the the TRS security crew.
This is a guy you would not want to necessarily fuck with because especially for Nick Fuentes who is I think something like four feet seven inches tall and weighs like 75 pounds.
I'm slightly exaggerating there, but he is not a big man.
Which is fine.
Nothing wrong with that.
That's fine.
Nothing wrong with that.
No, no problems with any of that.
But he definitely – Have some self-awareness.
He threatened Patrick Little on a live stream.
It's like you – that is not a good look for you, Nick Fuentes.
But, you know, that's what he did.
Nick Fuentes likes to sick his audience on people, and I know this because he's done it to me twice, just to let you know.
Yeah, he Because I was taught the first time he noticed me actually in this again Speaks to the fact that these two people are like electrically linked forever.
I was making fun of James Alsup's hair when he was at an Identity Europa event, and Nick Fuentes liked the tweet.
Meaning, not only is Nick Fuentes name-searching himself, he's name-searching James Alsup.
I wasn't tagging James Alsup.
James Alsup wasn't even on Twitter at that point.
So he was looking for people talking about Alsup and then liked my tweet, making fun of James Alsup's hair.
Because he did have...
That video has been deleted from YouTube, unfortunately, so I couldn't put it on the show notes.
have really, really ridiculous hair.
It was a It was like the bad version of the fashy haircut thing, right?
That's a tautology, Daniel.
The even more ridiculous version of that.
So that's when I first realized that Nick Fuentes was an even sillier figure than I thought he was because he was name searching.
And then at a certain point I was like... I'll put it in the show notes if we're talking about it.
But I was screenshotting him and pointing out how silly Nick Fuentes is in terms of... I described when he was talking about the The child separation stuff and the children in cages.
Like, his position is very mainstream among the far right, the distant right, even among the mainstream right.
But his position is, well, you know, if your children get separated from you when you arrive at our borders, that's your fault because you're disobeying our laws and ultimately this is just something, you know, you knew the consequences when you arrived here.
And, um...
I just pointed that out, ultimately.
You know, I was just saying, like, this is... You know, all I do is describe his position on things, and then he, like, you know, sicks his goons on me, so I don't know exactly how that... It's online goons, excuse me, I'm not trying to pretend like he has actual people who would do anything for him in the real world.
But, um...
It was, you know, 48 hours of just kind of constant abuse from his fan base, which was, you know, I just turned the notifications off after a while, but it was a very kind of amusing little thing of little teeny boppers showing up at my mentions and just thinking they owned me by saying womp womp.
That's pretty much what that was.
Yeah, yeah.
And, uh, he tried it again a couple of, like, uh, a few months later doing something, I don't even remember what that one was.
It was kind of, like, early enough in the morning that I don't think his, uh, his, his, um, fanbase was really, um, up and moving around yet, um, because they're all teenagers, but, um, yeah, so, so, he definitely, he definitely has kind of retweeted me a couple of times.
He doesn't follow me, um, but he also doesn't blot me.
Um, Nick Fuentes is someone who is deeply, deeply fucking misogynist, and he, he, like,
I so I have this thing of like I end up focusing a lot on the like racism that these people have because that's sort of the thing that differentiates them more from the sort of mainstream right but all these people are also viciously viciously misogynist um there's this sort of idea of like um women should the wheat field is sort of this idea and that's um uh
All these kind of stock photos of, like, healthy-looking blonde women with children, you know, kind of happy in a wheat field.
And so the fantasy is, like, that's what they want in their lives.
They want a, you know, beautiful blonde Aryan woman who will, like, bear them children and who will, you know, kind of be in this stock photo land.
Stand in a wheat field.
Stand in a wheat field, exactly.
I'm not one to sneer at anybody's kink, you know, but that's a bit odd.
Well, as long as it's consensual and all, I have no issue with that.
If that's the life you want to live, and if that's what you want out of life, I don't have any problem with that.
I want to be clear about that.
What they're trying to do is to force all women into deep subservience to men in their lives and remove their ability to make money, etc, etc, and where they just bear children until they die.
That's sort of where this movement is trying to take people.
And I probably could talk about that more.
It's just every one of them believes this, so it's kind of, you know, I've just ended up repeating myself over and over again.
But it's worth noting here.
Nick Fuentes is bad even by these standards.
This guy screams incel.
Like, A, he's 20 years old and he spends all his time, he literally lives in his mother's basement.
He was, I think he did a semester or two at Boston University, and then decided to kind of let, particularly kind of in the aftermath of Unite the Right, he wanted to sort of, um...
Do politics more full-time.
He said he was going to transfer to Auburn University, apparently to be kind of closer to, you know, to be in a more conservative area because Auburn's in Alabama.
And this was kind of right around the time of a Richard Spencer event in Auburn.
But as far as I know that didn't happen.
I believe he's literally living in his parents' basement where he has a studio with a green screen.
And he's broadcasting his show five nights a week.
And he was able to get money from the livestreams for a while, from the stream.me, but as of about a week ago, that got cancelled.
And so, apparently, I don't know what his livestream show is going to be.
But I did notice, just hopping on today, that he has deleted almost all of his videos.
Except for about the last two weeks worth.
I wouldn't like to say that there's an archive of those anywhere, certainly.
I wouldn't know such a thing.
No, it's hard to think who would spend a huge amount of their time archiving.
Who might?
Who might?
If you are a Nazi and you have your videos in a playlist, it turns out it's one command to just get them all.
I don't know if that information is useful at all, but it's true.
And one of the things that a lot of these guys do when they do kind of speak about kind of edgier material and a lot of the way that the YouTube live streamers work is they don't want to get strikes on their channel when people like flag things that they've said that are hate speech as hate speech.
And so they will either kind of immediately broadcast a live thing and then take it down and then put it up on a secondary channel that isn't monetized so they don't have to worry about it or they'll put it up in some other place or they'll just delete it immediately and it was a live show and it's gone when it's gone.
It looks like Fuentes is now kind of doing – he's going to keep up like two weeks' worth of shows unless there's something else he's doing.
But, um, so right now he's got two weeks worth of shows up.
The, uh, episode 334 is the Globo Homo Agenda.
Uh, we don't want illegal immigrants, we don't want legal immigrants.
What to expect at the North Korea Summit?
These are just kind of recent shows that he's got up there.
He basically sits at a desk and talks into a camera by himself for an hour and a half, and then kind of takes streaming donations and reads people's comments.
He is a desperately, desperately lonely little boy, you can tell.
There's one video that I really love from Nick Fuentes, and love is a, you know, Love is a complicated term here, but on his periscope, he did one called, let's see what it's called.
Nick Fuentes Epic Thought Patrol.
So, thought here is T-H-O-T.
Um, in case you don't know, that's Dat Ho over there.
And it was originally sort of one of these, like, kind of, um, uh, African American community, um, you know, sort of, sort of slang term.
And it's, uh, gotten, uh, embraced by the far right as a, uh, instead of it being sort of a, a term of endearment to some degree, it becomes, um, just kind of a nasty, like, you know, look at the awful thoughts and, you know, the, how diseased and slutty, et cetera, they are.
Well, if you watch this video, Which is not one of his... it's just a periscope.
He... you can... A, this is shot with his cell phone, so he's literally just doing it live to periscope.
He's got a...
A Google image search or a bunch of videos of conventionally attractive right-wing women up on a screen, you can almost smell the dirty Kleenex in this room.
And he is epically resentful that they get more views than he does, and he thinks it's because, like, oh, they show their tits and so they're, you know, like, what intellectualism have you brought to this?
What new ideas do you have?
You know, and it's literally 30 minutes of the most unhinged ranting against women that, I'm sorry I find it as funny as I do, but it is like this little puny intellectual pipsqueak.
Who's, at the time, was like 19 years old.
Who thinks he has anything of value to offer the world in this state?
Getting that upset about the fact that, like, other people who, for whatever, maybe it is because they're just more attractive or whatever, are getting more attention than he is.
It's just, it's, it's, the Schadenfreude is strong.
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm highly amused at little Nikki Fuentes there.
I think it probably is something to the idea that some of these right-wing women get, you know, so many views just because people like Nick Fuentes want to watch them and munt over them.
In another context, I'd be apologizing for denigrating the women, but let's face it, they're just as awful as the men in this subculture.
Some of them do knowingly marketize their conventional attractiveness.
These people are all pro-capitalism.
marketize their conventional attractiveness.
And, you know, these people are all pro-capitalism.
It's just the market, Nick, you know.
Well, Nick, Flint will say, oh, I'm not in favor of capitalism, but he's really not in favor of the capitalism when it's Jewish.
That's really the, you know.
Yeah.
Well, this is it.
They are in favor of capitalism.
They just don't realize it because they don't know what capitalism actually is.
That's that's the distinction.
Exactly.
I'm sorry.
We're kind of going back and forth between these two guys.
But again, I just I can I consider them one.
I really want them to get back together and do a show together again just to amuse me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, my life more fun, you know.
Yeah, you always do.
When you're a fan of a comedy double act and they split up and go solo, you want them to get back together.
Maybe they will, you know, for their 20th anniversary or something.
They'll do a reunion show.
I hope these people aren't still irrelevant in 20 years!
I would like them to not be relevant in 20 months.
We're, oh god, I'm really depressed now.
That's it.
Well no, I mean, you know, comedians that last had a TV show 20 years ago still do their reunion get-togethers.
They just do them in much smaller venues than they used to.
That would be fine with me.
And considering that, you know, Blake Flint is getting, you know, something like 5-10,000 views, you know, I mean, the 20 years later reunion might be, you know, held around a card table, and I'd be perfectly okay with that.
No issues on my end.
Oh, God.
Back to Awesome for a minute here.
We'll just kind of cover this while we're at it.
Yeah, I don't mind the flipping back and forth because I'm thinking of this kind of just a tour of what's amusing Daniel most at any given moment.
I'm trying to, you know, I try to keep these, I try to keep, these two figures are just so ridiculous.
And again, there's a danger here because, like, despite the fact that I look at Nick Fuentes and I think he's, like, completely stupid on every level.
Oh, he is.
I mean, he's busy.
He's giving speeches at universities.
He's got 10,000 people watching him on, on YouTube.
You know, like, this is not, you know, like, like, I want to highlight how stupid this is.
I want, I actively, so, I don't want people to go watch Nick Fuentes' channel.
There's someone doing the Lord's own work, and I don't think they even realize it.
But there's someone who is by all appearances a fan of Nick Fuentes, who is doing exactly the work that I need him to do, because he's taking off the stupidest things that Nick Fuentes says.
And trimming them into little two-minute clips that you can just watch on YouTube and you don't have to watch all the rest of it.
It's Nick Fuentes Clips.
I put it in the show notes.
Enjoy!
I want to highlight this one!
I've watched this like 20 times, I swear!
It's called Nick Fuentes stuffs lab coat in locker with facts and everything after Nick Fuentes is like all uppercase.
One of his Super Chat things, like, asked him, like, Nick, do you think the Earth goes around the Sun?
And he's like, what difference does it make the Earth goes around the Sun?
What does it matter?
I'm going to get a Big Mac, whatever.
Oh, he nicked that.
Did I look in your, like, test tube?
That's nicked.
That's in Sherlock Holmes.
That's what happens in Sherlock Holmes.
Dr. Watson's astonished to discover that Sherlock Holmes doesn't know that the Earth goes around the Sun.
And Sherlock Holmes says, what does it matter?
Yeah, that's in the Study in Scarlet.
I had a Study in Pink in my head.
I'm like, what's the color?
What's the fucking color?
Oh man, that's a deep cut for the fans there.
He goes on to say, you know, I mean, hey, he's a creationist.
Nick Quintas is a creationist.
He's like, I don't know if he's a creationist.
He's a creationist.
He is a, by all indications, he's a six day creationist, as near as I can tell.
Is he like a biblical literalist Christian?
Evangelical Christian?
He's kind of a, he's a trad Catholic, actually.
So he's... Oh, come on.
Catholics have accepted evolution.
Well, not if you're, you know, pre-Vatican II Catholic, apparently.
Vatican II are cucks.
He's like, you know, the current Pope is a cuck, you know, the whole thing.
He's right up there with all that stuff.
Oh, well, I mean, the current Pope's a communist.
Come on.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you know, although Very anti-gay.
You gotta, I mean, you know, like, the Pope is a good for a poke, but, you know, certainly not, like, we don't want him from their point of view.
He's a communist that gets one thing right, I suppose.
No, he goes on to, like, talk about, like, how, you know, like, read the Bible, dummy.
We're gonna, like, bash it into your head and you can stop thinking so hard about this stuff.
I mean, he goes, like, right up to the edge there, but Um, yeah, no.
He's, he's, uh, he's that guy.
He, uh, when asked, like, why do you believe in God, he's like, well, you just gotta read Thomas Aquinas.
It's like, well, can you summarize it?
No, it's too complicated.
I can't, I can't describe it here.
And it's like, well, of course not, you know.
But he claims to be, like, the, the big, like, 250 IQ, big brain guy.
I'm smarter than everybody around me, and I'm always right about everything that's happening in the world.
And he does that by, like, hedging his bets on everything that he talks about.
Um, He's a deeply silly man, but definitely I put the I put the I Put the stuff lab couldn't lock her with facts I put that in the show notes, and it's it's four minutes of your time.
It's it's worth it.
It's worth it I promise I haven't seen this, but I'm definitely gonna check this out after we finish If you feel up to it, please just put in like the first 15 seconds so you can listen to how stupid this kid is.
Oh, God.
What else do we have from Fuentes?
He was at CPAC.
Yes, yeah, we can cover the so he went to CPAC.
He didn't have a ticket to CPAC No, um But there's a video of him standing outside He's standing outside he just kind of showed up and This this this guy Ford Fisher who kind of covers far, right?
He's a he covers a lot of the the rallies and he's a you know Really kind of solid on the ground journalist for this stuff Some people have some issues with sort of like he's he's a little bit like he could do better like not filming anti-fascist faces and that sort of thing but He has a lot of like really kind of valuable stuff.
He was that unite the right he filmed about a bunch of the footage You've seen from unite the right from the August 11th March He he shot a lot of that footage.
So, you know Good on him for that.
He interviewed Nick Flint.
So so why are you why are you outside?
I Oh, well, you know, I just thought I'd show up.
I got a lot of friends here, so I really just thought I'd hang out and see what's going on with them, you know, after the conference.
So it's really just more of a social gathering for me.
It's like, yeah, right, Nick, you thought you could talk your way in, and you are outside of the bounds of what is allowed at CPAC, apparently.
Yeah, that's right.
I remember, I think it was on the most recent episode of Chapo Trap House, they did a thing about CPAC, and they said they wouldn't let Nick Fuentes in.
Although they did let some other equally dodgy people in.
They let Laura Loomer in, for instance.
Right.
Well, you know, Laura Loomer is Jewish, so that's why she got to come in, you know.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, of course.
The globalists made a note, you know.
Laura Loomer appeared on Nick Fuentes' show at least twice, talking about Israel, of course.
Those clips don't exist anymore unless, again, someone has an archive.
I don't know about Fuentes, but Allsup's anti-Israel, isn't he?
Oh yeah, no, they're viciously anti-Israel.
I mean, they're anti-Israeli, um, like having a, um... They're anti, sort of, Israel affecting U.S.
politics.
You know what I mean?
Oh, right.
They buy into the Israel lobby controls the American government and starts wars thing.
Exactly.
Okay.
It's one of... Neoconservatism is a Jewish plot thing.
Exactly.
Um, you know, video still up on Fuentes' channel, The Prophet Ilan, Peace Be Upon Her, is an episode.
Because she is a black Muslim woman and is allowed to criticize the Jews, whereas nice little white men with the last names like Fuentes are not.
Guess who else also has a video?
Ilan Omar was right about APAC over there at James Alsop's channel.
That one has 151,000 views so, you know, just take that as it lays.
It's not Ilan Omar's fault that they're pretending to.
No, no, no.
I just want to say that because she's getting a lot of shit and she's doing some great stuff.
Oh no, no, I agree.
And, you know, it's exactly the way this stuff gets used by all of these figures, because they're all talking about this right now, so we might as well just kind of throw it in here.
She is criticizing Israeli, you know, AIPAC lobbying efforts.
She's criticizing the government of Israel, and it's like apartheid policies.
She is not criticizing the Jews.
And even if you are sort of on the idea that some of the language she used was perhaps not the best, and I'm not going to sort of like take one side or the other on that, I think what she said was basically reasonable, but I'm not Jewish, and I'm not gonna, you know, kind of I'm not going to argue with you if you feel differently about that.
It is very obvious that Ilhan Omar is not herself anti-Semitic in this way, and that there is criticism of a nation-state and its policies that is not criticism of the ethnic group, of an ethnic group at large, which may or may not have anything to do with Israel ultimately.
So this is obviously vile, stupid, horrible racism that's masking itself as support for this woman just so they can attack their own political enemies.
It's vile, disgusting stuff.
And peddle their own vile antisemitism.
It's just shameless, cynical opportunism on their part.
Well, and they get to then frame it as like, well, this woman gets to say these things because she's non-white.
And this is ultimately the, you know, the Jews are this anti-white agenda, which does not allow white people to comment on this.
But because she's a woman and because she's Muslim, she is allowed to say these things because ultimately they don't think that she has, they, quote unquote, in the parentheses, don't think that she has a large enough I'm out of agency to really be able to do anything about this and that, you know, now the Jews are going to get her in line.
You see, you know, she's just, she's just young and stupid, you see, and they'll let her say it because she's not actually going to be effective at it because she's not white because we're the master race.
Yeah.
And also because white people are the real oppressed group, aren't they?
The Jews are trying to put down the white, which that's a hilarious angle to take via this issue because you only have to look at what Ilhan Omar's been put through.
In response to statements she's made and again, I'm not I'm not gonna derail it by getting into the you know that the question of whether her statements were perfect or anything, but you know, I Agree, basically with the position you've stayed and you only have to look at the mountain of shit That's been that's been thrown at her, you know to see just how privileged a black Muslim woman is, you know It's ludicrous to them for them to take that angle but but and then this kind of comes back to the thing they point to this
This sort of issue and the fact that it is such this sort of monolithic fight against her and they say, look at how powerful the Jews are, you know, and it just becomes this whole thing.
And really, this is this is about like the American foreign policy agenda through empire.
So, you know, like Israel.
Israel gets used by the American government as like the justification for like so much military adventurism, but they see it the exact opposite way.
They think Israel is controlling America when really it's like...
America wants fucking access to you know the oil reserves, and they're gonna use Israel as an excuse to go fucking do that I mean, that's just that's my that's my big picture feeling on it.
You can disagree with that if you want, but you know I Essentially agree.
I'm just gonna say you know if you can if you can do what they're doing there.
You can take one issue and And you can you can use it to prove quote unquote prove anything you like including multiple propositions actually mutually exclusive or contradictory then you're obviously just a bullshit artist you just a propagandist hack.
Exactly.
And that's the danger of all this stuff.
We mentioned it last week with Enoch.
You know, it's ultimately just propaganda.
It's taking, I mean, also, so many of his videos are, there's this site called Nail This, and you've probably seen it on, like, your Facebook or Twitter feed.
They do these sort of, like, feel-good, lefty-liberal kind of videos.
A lot of, you know, look at how wonderful this trans person is for, like, coming out and expressing themselves.
And then also they'll do a video, which I put in the link, because it's just horrible.
Gender must be destroyed.
And what he does is he takes video of this non-binary person who doesn't look like a normal American because they're non-white and they have piercings and they have colored hair, etc.
And uses that as this monstrosity, this monstrous figure that this is what's coming for your children.
And just doesn't say it in quite that explicit of terms.
It's like, what about normal Americans, et cetera, et cetera, quote, quote, quote, quote.
It's a vile video, and I want everyone to go watch this to see.
Because he also pretty obviously sticks in the Jews are doing this.
But he does it in, again, a slightly coded way.
But it's so indicative of his process because he basically just goes and trolls this now this, finds a clip.
And this is like, now this is, you know, it's like kind of a second rate BuzzFeed sort of thing.
You know, it's just, it's sort of like clippant.
clickbaity feel-good stuff that like you sort of watch a three-minute video and like it's mostly fine you know they'll take like and you know it's it's whatever like nobody nobody takes this remotely seriously who's like engaged in the issues but like oh it's a nice little video and we'll share it you know um he takes these people always take stuff like that as like the definitive intellectual statement of the position of the entire left don't they
Well, it's like, you know, someone is trying to explain in a three-minute video, you know, some issue, and it's some celebrity or whatever, and they're not, like, kind of getting things exactly right.
They're not, like, countering these far-right talking points in the same way, or they slightly misspeak, or they make some, you know, kind of technical error or whatever, and suddenly they jump on that and they use that as sort of a spin-off place for, you know, this
You know, rebuttal, which ultimately, I mean, they're, you know, they're arguing against Strauman, like, almost by definition, but also for literally just, like, you watch his videos, if you watch a bunch of them in a row, it's sort of like, he brings up, like, now this, or he has certain sources that he'll go to, and then he'll use those as sort of like, that's the definitive version of this, and I'm going to, you know, kind of do that.
He did it with The Root for a long time.
The Root's a lot better than now this, but he would, like, selectively quote them out of context, do all kinds of, like, bullshit stuff like that.
Again, he's very, very clever because he thinks that very few people are actually going to go click on the things and see the original and see it in context.
This is why AllSip is disgusting, honestly.
Well, yeah, and he's doing the same old thing, like the anti-SJW YouTube channels that have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and they make their money.
Buy like picking on tiny little channels with with people that have just started doing youtube and i like teenagers are in the twenties and it's just it's exactly the same as the ancient technique you know whoever did you get you like disproving climate change by talking to the you know finding the most naive college student in the crowd and when they can't answer questions about.
You know, CFCs or whatever.
That disproves climate change.
And they know they're going to get away with it because they know that their audience aren't actually interested in an actual analysis or discussion.
This stuff is about chumming the water.
It's about feeding their audience's appetite for hate and bullying.
That's all it's really about.
They put like this trans thing.
They find somebody that they think looks weird and then they use them as bait for their disgusting followers that just want to laugh and sneer at somebody.
It's just fucking playground bullying.
And admittedly, you know, we're laughing at these guys, but I'm bringing facts and logic to this.
Exactly, yeah.
I've got links here, all right?
I'm actively asking people to go check this out and see how silly this is.
Isn't it sad now that just talking about backing up your arguments with facts and, you know, it sounds, you feel sort of self-conscious saying it because you sound like one of them.
Because they're the ones saying this shit, despite the fact that they have nothing to back up their bullshit with.
Yeah, they just say facts and logic and suddenly they're like... You just make shit up and then you say evidence, and that's the same as having it.
It's like Steven Crowder, you know?
There are only two genders changed my mind, and there's no way you can't, like, A, if I were to, you know, you can imagine, like, an actual academic deciding, okay, I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna, that's never gonna go up on the channel, first of all.
Like, it's just not gonna happen.
And B, like, if I'm intransigent enough, I can just, like, I can just refuse to believe whatever you give me.
You know, Unike has one of his debate tactics, which I haven't seen him do for a while because he doesn't really debate anymore.
He's ensconced in his little, you know, like far-right bubble.
But when he would debate people, I mean, one of the techniques he told people to use was whenever you're confronted with some, you know, kind of piece of actual evidence that, like, confronts vicious racism with, like, an argument, his response is to say, oh, what, did some Jew tell you that?
Yeah.
That's, I mean, that's one of the, I mean, it's one, it's sort of emblematic of why they love the whole anti-Semitic argument because it's just so, it's so completely, it's, it's not even, I mean, it is irrational, but it's, it's, it's more than that.
It's, it's, it's anti-rational and that's the point of it because it's based on nothing.
It's just this phantasm.
So it's an answer for everything.
It's just this great big answer for everything.
It's like in 1984, you know, part of double think is described in sort of the part of the cachet of being an incredibly orthodox thinker is the ability to maintain the belief in something when the evidence against it is staring you in the face and that becomes laudable.
That shows how great you are, that you can do that.
And you see that all the time with these fucking people.
And everybody knows, they know they're doing it, and the audience knows they're doing it.
And it works, because ultimately, this isn't about truth.
This is about their, you know, as I've said before, they're sitting in their own nappies, wallowing in it.
Well, it's about this...
It's the difference between reason and evidence and belief.
It's the difference between an actual argument and apologetics.
If you've studied the religious apologetics and you've studied the rhetorical strategies on that, So much of that is not, it's just built on sort of like, well, I believe this certain thing about the universe.
God exists, you know, Christian trinity, etc, etc.
And when you're confronted with someone who doesn't, ultimately the point of like apologetics, the point of this sort of like argumentation is about like sort of like at some point, My faith is more important to me than this other thing, and this faith that I have, like, I only need to be able to defend it so far.
And so it's just enough to sort of, like, bolster my own confidence in the thing I already believe.
And this... I don't want to pretend like that's only in this movement, or that's only on the right.
It's certainly, certainly not.
No, this is everywhere.
But there are some movements that are just this, and nothing else.
But ultimately all of this like kind of taking this kind of low-hanging fruit and responding to it in the most superficial way possible and providing a bunch of double talk and it's just you know you the whole like table 43 black crime data I mean the fact that I can like just repeat their talking points without thinking about it and just i know exactly like i can click on one of all such videos and go oh he's talking about this topic and i could write down his references without even yeah watching it half the time yeah
the reason being because it's just it's just this like sort of a mechanical um you know like it's just like a slot machine you know it's just you know roll the dice and suddenly you get you get the the canned response out i mean i love that they call us npcs right yeah yeah And again, that's one of those, like, the Jew cries out as he strikes you.
You know, they call us NPCs as a way of deflecting from the fact that ultimately all they're providing you is the most basic superficial kind of argumentation on every topic.
It's absurd.
It's what we were saying before.
Whatever they accuse you of, They're doing it constantly.
And again, going back to 1984, that's actually a thing in 1984.
It's called duck speak, and it's good.
Like, you know, a party member that can learn to speak from the throat and not from the brain, that's laudable.
That makes them really orthodox, a good party member, you know?
That's exactly what it is.
Exactly.
One more thing I just want to mention here, because our buddy James Alsop here is kind of an elected official and kind of not.
Yes, indeed.
So in his home state of Washington, there's this kind of hyper-local, basically administrative position called a precinct committee officer, a PCO.
Now, this is sort of an inter-party kind of, like, you're basically just helping to run meetings from everything I get, but you do have no kind of mandate, no real authority, but you can kind of... influence things in your way as a way of sort but you can kind of... influence things in your way as a way of sort of, like, well, which kind of candidates get selected for slightly higher offices and, you So what...
One of the – again, one of the strategies that they've been saying is kind of infiltrate your local Republican Party and sort of like subtly influence things your way.
And if you're kind of the person in the room, then you're the person that gets to make decisions.
This is completely – I mean leftists do this, say, on their kind of local level.
Socialists do – the DSA has kind of been kind of infiltrating some of the democratic groups, etc.
Perfectly valid strategy in and of itself.
All right, um, so also runs for this thing basically unopposed and he becomes a precinct committee officer.
He was elected.
Once it became known that like he was actually an elected official, the national media like Huffington Post and the Daily Beast sort of wrote articles about it.
The local Republicans hemmed and hawed and He's basically been he gets to stay at office because it was like a valid election etc But they've stripped him of all his power, and I'm just gonna read from this piece from Newsweek here You know once also true political motives became known some local Republicans distance themselves from him and sought to remove him from his PCO role however one locals UOP leader the chair of a neighboring counties Republican committee said also had been label lynched in quotes and Let's rehabilitate him in the eyes of locals
A compromise was eventually reached by those opposed to the alt-right activist to effectively rendering him toothless within the Washington State GOP establishment.
In a meeting Saturday, the Whitman County Republican Central Committee ruled it could not remove the Charlottesville Marchers' title because he had been elected to the post.
However, the group unanimously voted to end his membership and privileges.
Also, will remain in this PCO post until the body's next election, but without a proper affiliation, he has no meaningful power in the committee.
So they just stripped him of everything.
Also, did put out a video which was entitled – got it right here.
I was kicked out of the GOP?
You can watch this video in which he pooh-poohs this whole idea and he's like, well clearly I'm still a little... I was not actually ejected from the GOP, guys.
Like, I was just stripped of everything that made this thing worth me having.
But, you know, that's fine.
I hope he doesn't complain about that given that he's actually said himself that he's not in favor of democracy.
Oh, right.
He does definitely have videos like that.
We could go all day.
We could do what they do to us.
I could play one of these videos.
We could talk about it.
We could debunk it on site.
I'm done.
I'm done talking about these guys for now.
What's the point?
You know, it's ridiculous on its face.
Part of the point of it is, and I mean that's a really interesting question actually, because so much of the point of that kind of thing is A, to sort of like give your side an argument is just provide that sort of apologetics another thing is just to um to be entertaining to sort of like mock the opposition there's there's some value to that to some degree
um but there's also a a feeling of time that seems to be really important to a Also does, you know, 10-20 minute videos.
You know, they're somewhere in that range.
Pretty easy to watch.
They're pretty impressively produced.
I'm, you know, again, also was good at this.
But it's just like 90 minute live streams, like talking to a camera.
Yeah, yeah.
So many of these shows, I mean, especially when you get into these YouTube live stream shows, I mean, a lot of these things are like three and four hours long.
I play them at like multi-speed like as fast as I can possibly play them and there's so much Just wasted time and energy and all of these things.
And I'm aware, you know, we're talking on a podcast and this one is a little bit more informal than the others, but, um, you know, we've done, uh, we've done multi hour podcast as well, but at least we had the decency to do them about, you know, good stuff like movies.
Right.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not, um, sort of like saying there's not a value to that.
I mean, there is sort of a hangout element to some of this like that and, and, you know, on its face, that's perfectly fine, but, When there are multi, when there are very many content producers producing this stuff all spreading a very similar message and ultimately sort of all working in this community to sort of keep people ensconced in this bubble.
That's sort of the danger of it because people just hang out in this.
I mean I could spend.
You know, my entire waking life absorbing this material.
I really think that's the point of it, isn't it?
To a large extent, anyway.
It's to kind of create this vast blanket of content that you can kind of envelop people in so that they get sealed into it.
Especially when you talk about these young guys who really do just kind of hang out online.
You know, I mean, they go to school, they come home, they do homework or whatever, and then they just kind of sit and watch YouTube all day long.
Or they sit and shitpost on Reddit or on 4chan or on Twitter or on Gab or whatever.
Absorbing having this like kind of endless wellspring of material and having you know This guy gets in on that show and so then you have to go watch that show and then That other guy and then you maybe you find out you like that one So you start following that one and then they go direct to the other thing and then they talk about the other shows They've been on and they talk about oh, there's this thing I mean the fact that like also been Funtas were fighting became like a thing that was that people were arguing about also been Funtas fighting and you know, there's always this Sure.
You know, I was joking with someone else about this, you know, that, you know, these people have, like, more drama than the Kardashians, and there is this sort of, like, even for me, there's a little bit of an entertaining aspect to this.
I mean, I take my pleasure to get it with this stuff, right?
Yeah.
You know, and I said, you know, it's kind of like keeping up with the KKK, you know?
It's just like, you're just kind of following this like interpersonal drama.
And it's, I mean, there, there is, there is something to that.
And there is something that like, then you get to, especially if you're kind of on their side, ideologically, you get to have like opinions about it, then you get to go argue online about it.
And you get to go, I mean, and it's just around and around and around you go, and it just becomes this world, this, you know, this media landscape.
And you're not paying attention to anything outside of it anymore.
And, you know, suddenly the kind of built in assumptions that all these guys have just become, you know, the truisms you live under.
And that's the way it works.
Yeah, well, we talked about this last week, you know, but there you are, you're sealed in this bubble.
And, you know, they James Allsup makes a joke about the Holocaust and about how it's a lie that there were gas chambers, and because you're sealed in this bubble and the only view you see of the outside world is through this lens, it just seems like, well, yeah, that must be right.
Yeah, Allsup doesn't talk about the Holocaust, but Fuentes sure does.
There's something in that Kevin Logan video about Allsup making a joke about the... He says something sarcastic about, oh, imagine somebody lying about gas chambers.
Right, right.
No, no, I'm just saying that he usually stays well clear of something that explicit, at least in sort of his more recent material.
I mean, he has deleted all of his really old stuff from his YouTube channel, or taken it private or whatever.
But there is a clip in that Nick Fuentes Clips channel, which...
You know, someone asked him, like, Nick, how do you bake six million cookies?
And he's like, well, you can't possibly do that.
There aren't enough ovens for that.
And then where would you keep the ashes?
I mean, the cookie batter.
And it's completely spreading that same old, like, Holocaust denial bullshit through this method of humor, which, you know, and, you know, like, again, it's really nice, because I missed that clip when it originally aired, but You know, Nick Fuentes' clips has it right there, so you can go and watch.
There it is!
He curated it!
And he thought it was really great.
He thought it was really funny, apparently.
But no, it's very, very useful to have this channel.
I don't have to watch much Nick Fuentes these days.
I just kind of check out the clips.
It's fantastic.
Nick Fuentes' greatest hits, curated for you by his biggest fan.
Exactly!
And it says some of this is the stuff that people clip out.
His fans are actively working against his interest by pulling out the edgiest, most out there stuff, the most fun stuff.
But it also makes Nick Fuentes, like, anybody paying attention to that then gets to see Nick Fuentes for what he really is, as opposed to sort of the more, like, kind of mainstream-ish conservative Republican that he wants to be.
It shows you very clearly what they actually go to him for, doesn't it?
It does, exactly.
All right, I think that's enough.
Okay, there are a couple of things in the links that I don't know if we've touched upon.
We didn't touch upon the American Renaissance thing.
Oh yeah, I just put some clips if you do want to kind of check them out.
Nick Fuentes did appear at American Renaissance.
American Renaissance is kind of one of the more, again, quote-unquote respectable white nationalist organizations run by Jared Taylor.
We'll cover them... Nah, we won't do them next week, but we'll cover them soon.
And, you know, he did appear in 2018 talking about how terrible baby boomers are and how the Generation Z is going to come and, like, kind of save America.
It's a really kind of standard Nick Fuentes speech.
It's not as amusing as some of the other stuff we've kind of covered from here.
And I'm glad you mentioned it because both he and James also will be appearing at American Renaissance 2019, so I'm really hoping they go head-to-head on this.
I'm really hoping they snipe at each other in their speeches.
That would be really amusing.
Yeah, that'd be great.
Yeah, go for it guys Battle of the Titans Okay, so we've covered those two Nasty little pipsqueaks we have and now now we don't have to you know, no, we don't have to do it again No, sorry.
Sorry anybody kind of looking for the slightly head of your version of this episode that we were gonna do this was this was I can prep for this quickly and I thought we needed a break after the Yeah.
After the reading I did last week.
We don't need more of that.
Episode 9 was a bit heavy.
So yeah, it's been nice to have a slightly lighter hearted one.
Even though the guys we've been talking about are despicable, vile little shits.
Absolutely.
Who believe just utterly reprehensible evil things.
But luckily for us, they do it while being ludicrous, slimy little ticks that you can laugh at.
Yeah, so that was... We should highlight our stuff.
We should, yeah.
I feel better about plugging because it's a bit less dark this time, so I feel able to plug.
You go first, Daniel.
You plug first.
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I believe it's patreon.com slash Daniel Harper.
You can give me a couple bucks there.
I haven't updated... I don't really put anything there.
It's really just encouraged me to keep doing this.
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The podcast wouldn't happen without him.
So if you're going to donate to one of our Patreons, donate to his, not mine.
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I have a blog called Shaboogan Graffiti.
The best way to find it is probably to go to my Twitter and go to the link in the pinned tweet.
And that's part of Erode to Impress and I write about, well I don't write much these days because I'm sort of taking a bit of a break from regular blogging, but you can find a back catalogue of stuff.
It started as a Doctor Who blog, I'm very remorseful to have to tell you, but I, no I'm not, I love Doctor Who, but I've written about lots of stuff, including politics and history and other media, so if you fancy that, give me a check out!
And we also, Daniel and I have done lots of podcasts together.
We're part of the Wrong With Authority podcast umbrella, which has a whole series of sort of strands, including Wrong With Authority itself, which is about movies about history and the history they're about, generally about how full of shit they are, and other things like commentaries on 80s movies that are a lot of fun and stuff like that.
So yeah, check out Wrong With Authority if you like hearing us talk to each other, because we've done a fair bit of that.
Yeah, it's almost like this is sort of a culmination of several year friendship of just talking publicly for the amusement of people.
Yeah, well, you know, every single conversation I have with Daniel, he manages to work it around the Nazis, so I thought, why not just make the podcast about the Nazis and cut out the middle step, you know?
Eventually, I get to, like, actually write the book, and then we can close the book on this whole thing, and then I can move on to think about other things, but right now, yeah, no, and unfortunately, it's a pressing concern.
Well, it is.
Write the book so we can close it.
Yeah, one bit of housekeeping.
I'm not going to... I know I said I was going to, but I'm not actually going to continue to put these on YouTube.
It doesn't seem to be much point.
It's a bit of a time-consuming, fiddly job, and I am behind with it, and we're not getting very many views on YouTube, so I'm not going to bother doing that anymore.
But we are on iTunes.
I'm going to investigate getting us onto other platforms.
Yeah, before we go, Daniel, what's our next episode going to be?
Oh god um let's.
What are we planning on it being?
You know no guarantees obviously.
I am gonna try to do the one I was planning for this week.
I should have a little bit more time next week to do the movementarian vanguard split which is kind of a name that doesn't, it's sort of the name I give to it.
We'll talk about it next time but it's kind of a, Broad history of like 60 years of sort of white nationalism in the United States and This really important division between sort of the different Strands that needs to be highlighted that doesn't get enough highlight.
So yeah, so we're gonna be doing that next week good Okay.
