Jan. 30, 2025 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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| Hello there, you awakening wonders. | |
| Thanks for joining us for a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand. | |
| Today I'm joined by Neil Oliver and Lara Logan. | |
| Although Lara Logan hasn't disappeared. | |
| Ironically, she's disappeared while travelling from the United States to Mexico, which is usually where the people that she's obsessed with being trafficked disappear, that very route, but in reverse. | |
| Lara Logan will be with us next week. | |
| We've waited quite late, Neil, to do this with Lara, and Lara, there's no nice way of putting it, stood us up. | |
| Wherever you're watching us, X, YouTube, we'll be with you for a while, then we'll be exclusively available on Rumble, where we're talking about the key stories of this week and how they impact Unfolding global media narratives. | |
| Neil Oliver is the person in the world I'd most like to discuss these matters with after Lara Logan and she's not turned up. | |
| So it's me and you, Neil. | |
| Thank you for staying awake in the Highlands. | |
| I'm absolutely delighted to be with you. | |
| It's not really all that late here in the northern latitudes of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. | |
| It's late in northern Florida. | |
| Here on the Redneck Riviera, there's no way, this is, I mean, it's, this is, I mean, we are in the very, it's twilight at best. | |
| Let's have a look at our first story, mate. | |
| Let's have a look at 30 seconds of RFK speaking to the confirmation hearing. | |
| There's a lot of ways that you can influence those future lawsuits and pending lawsuits while you are Secretary of HHS. And I'm asking you to commit right now that you will not take a financial stake. | |
| And every one of those lawsuits so that what you do as secretary will also benefit you financially down the line. | |
| I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines. | |
| That's not the question. | |
| You and I, you have said... | |
| You're asking me, Senator, you're asking me not to serve vaccine pharmaceutical companies. | |
| No, I am not. | |
| Yeah, you are. | |
| That's exactly what you're doing. | |
| Neil, what fascinates me mostly about RFK's confirmation hearing is that RFK is a kind of living synecdoche for so many issues. | |
| Can we rely on conspiracy theories? | |
| What are our views on vaccines? | |
| Is an alliance between former liberals and Republicans desirable, even possible? | |
| Did you see much of the confirmation hearing and what did you think? | |
| I did. | |
| I did. | |
| I watched... | |
| I dipped in and out of it and I just find it depressing. | |
| I mean, all of us were psyched up with the idea that something new was coming in. | |
| And I think a very significant part of the inspiration for the thought that there was going to be something new was the idea of RFK Jr. I don't think Donald Trump would have had the success that he had in the election had it not been for RFK Jr. standing alongside him. | |
| And to see him being pulled apart and attacked in the way that he has been across the board in that way, I just find deeply, deeply depressing. | |
| I felt that the RFK Jr.'s association with that incoming administration was significant. | |
| I even begin to wonder if we're going to see any of that potential realised at all, given the way that he's being pecked at and picked at in the hearing that's going on just now. | |
| Do you think that if he gets into office at all, it will be in an impeding and impaired way? | |
| Or do you think that the hearing indicates to us that there are entrenched bureaucratic powers that are immovable? | |
| And do you think that it's significant in the light of the recent announcement that there will be investigation into AIMRNA vaccines? | |
| Albert Baller confidently addressing Davos and talking about cancer vaccines as if the pandemic never happened. | |
| Because another thing that RFK, I suppose, represents is how much the world changed during the pandemic, how many people came to different perspectives, including, maybe to a degree, you and I, among the sort of, you know, I suppose, billions or certainly hundreds of millions of people who... | |
| Lost their trust in the medical and scientific establishment, along with the government and legacy media. | |
| But RFK, in a sense, is the central beneficiary of that sea change, you could argue, certainly if he does indeed become the Secretary for Health for the United States of America in a way that's meaningful. | |
| Do you think that seeing the sort of announcement that there will be further investigation into AI, mRNA technologies, and to see Baller confidently posturing at Davos indicates that, you know, the world's not changed overnight with the... | |
| Well, it does look as though the world has not changed overnight. | |
| I would like to think, you know, in my dream assessment of what's going on, I'd like to think that behind the scenes, RFK Jr. had a head-in-hands moment when he was listening to Larry Ellison of Oracle Corporation speak about tailored mRNA vaccines and 48-hour prescriptions for a personalised mRNA jab | |
| that was going to protect an individual from a cancer that artificial intelligence had identified. | |
| That person might be vulnerable to in the future. | |
| And then, yes, the fact that Bill Gates has been out there celebrating the fact that he was at Mar-a-Lago for three hours. | |
| Talking to Donald Trump, and apparently they had a very enthusiastic conversation about the perpetuation of the development of this kind of technology. | |
| And then Burla of Pfizer at Davos, you know, trumpeting more of the same. | |
| I find it deeply depressing. | |
| I spoke to, I'm sure you have as well, or you've probably had the opportunity at least to listen to Ed Dowd, you know, former BlackRock. | |
| Investment manager turned whistleblower. | |
| I spoke to him and he was talking about a red line for him, that if he didn't hear the new administration in short order on getting into office, pull MRNA the platform as having been a danger to human life, that that was going to be a very significant moment for him. | |
| And already... | |
| Just a week into the new administration, to hear the usual suspects, Bill Gates, Borla, Larry Ellison at Oracle, talking up the potential of MRNA, artificial intelligence, tailor-making these targeted warheads, I think was the language that Borla used. | |
| It breaks my heart. | |
| Oh no. | |
| Yeah, because to some degree it felt like a bout turns from Zuckerberg and the news that Facebook would be opening up again as if after the fall of some cyber iron curtain could be regarded as heartening. | |
| But it seems that your analysis, Neil, is this is just the repoing of the... | |
| Pieces on the chessboard of power. | |
| Zuckerberg sort of shifts a little to the left. | |
| Gates shuffles a little to the right. | |
| Larry Ellison announces mRNA technology. | |
| And before you know it, it's as if nothing changed when it appeared like, oh, wow, Trump, this weird... | |
| Well, not sort of weird in a sense. | |
| In some regard, a stereotype of what a president might be. | |
| I've said before, Neil, I keep saying it, like an American mystic, the idea America has of itself came alive. | |
| A McDonald's-y in jet flying with his own name on it, sort of American mystic. | |
| But what, you know, after the 2016 presidency, what really changed? | |
| I sometimes ask people from either side that are sort of incredibly excited by these things. | |
| What seemed more interesting this time, at least, was the... | |
| In particular, the alliance with RFK and Tulsi Gabbard, and we've touched on this before, but if all that can be somehow muted, muted, diluted, and isn't effective and meaningful, then I start to wonder what silhouette becomes visible in the midst of the manoeuvring of true global power. | |
| I've always, well, I've long suspected You know, people like yourself, people like me, you know, we've been, you know, very troubled by what we've read and understood about mRNA, | |
| about the determination, you know, to get the mass of the population into some kind of regime, you know, whereby we live in expectation of the next unsolicited medical intervention. | |
| For the longest time, I tried to swim clear of, to kick away from the idea that we were being herded towards some kind of digital cage, some kind of imprisonment from which it was hard to escape. | |
| I've listened to other commentators that I trust talking about in the context of the situation in the United States where You know, where people depend upon health insurance in order to get treatment for whatever. | |
| And the idea that a situation like that, which is made possible by this idea of biannual injections for mRNA, that if people didn't submit to that cycle, it would be quite easy to invalidate or for health insurance. | |
| To invalidate people's policies if they weren't prepared to stand in line to get these anti-cancer prophylactics. | |
| All of which makes sense to me. | |
| And in so many ways, I have been living in expectation of, in fear of the continued development of the means by which we would be put into positions where we had even less choice, even less freedom. | |
| And to hear in the first few days of the new administration in the White House Seeming to facilitate the further development of the very thing that I fear is really, to be quite honest with you, I keep on saying to people, wait and see, be optimistic, you know, give people the benefit of the doubt. | |
| But already, already, I think the mood music is suggestive of, it's just, we're just on the same tracks. | |
| We're still being moved in the same direction, and I find that profoundly troubling. | |
| We can't continue on X and YouTube and Facebook or wherever. | |
| We're going to be exclusively available for the rest of this conversation on Rumble. | |
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| What's troubling, Neil, is this? | |
| I hear that. | |
| Before you even comment, I hear myself saying that. | |
| And, you know... | |
| I reference David Icke a lot. | |
| I reference David Icke a lot and sometimes I'm worried that I reference David Icke so much because I know there'll be people to whom the name David Icke is hardly assidual of authenticity, integrity and good journalism. | |
| Some regard him as a kind of hysteric, a lunatic, an anti-Semite. | |
| What my fascination is with David Icke and Alex Jones seems to have been amalgamated into a... | |
| Kind of a new malheur, perhaps somewhat because of his relationship with Joe Rogan, perhaps because of his relationship with Elon Musk X. And it leaves, for me, the figure of Ike, a shadowy, turquoise-clad prophet on the edge of some aisle, perhaps near where you are, Neil, sort of streaming into that metaphorical, but perhaps somewhat actual, wilderness that... | |
| The reason I cite here is, as David I would say, it does not matter if you vote for Donald Trump and MAGA and RFK. All of these interests are being directed, they're owned, they're all marionettes on a stage that's controlled by interests. | |
| They're not only globalist interests when it comes to matters of territory, dominion and political control. | |
| He's always been really explicit about what he believes. | |
| In a cultist... | |
| Like, the stuff that you will now see sort of on X propagated and discussed and it goes somewhat viral when people talk about adrenochrome and occultism and sex parties. | |
| What I've felt is, like, you know, in this kind of independent media era, born somewhat of social media, you see with someone like Whitney Webb... | |
| Like, oh wow, the Epstein stuff does appear to be connected to intelligence agencies. | |
| So, yeah, sex, you know, sex. | |
| Then the Diddy stuff seems like a sort of showbiz, a cult. | |
| And then you hear, then the UFO stuff becomes sort of more prevalent. | |
| We chatted to Jeremy Corbell pretty recently. | |
| And I just wonder... | |
| If, look, if it turns out that Trump's presidency, even in alliance with figures like RFK, if RFK gets confirmed and Tulsi gets confirmed and still basically things don't significantly change, then, well, even this new surge of nationalistic populism, which isn't confined to MAGA, even though it's perhaps best exemplified by it, it's happened all over the world, even that... | |
| Is sort of part of some overall schematic that prevents... | |
| So, you know, what then are we to do with these sort of peripheral figures that have been saying stuff like this for so long? | |
| Is there a point where we just go, come on then, David, what do you reckon we do? | |
| I mean, you know, first of all, you know, you mentioned, well, obviously, we were talking about Donald Trump, you mentioned... | |
| You know, Tulsi Gabbard, we've already talked about or we've mentioned Robert Kennedy Jr. I don't doubt that some or all of these people have carried intentions and desires to do good, to do the right thing, to change the direction of the ship of state. | |
| But I've always suggested that, you know, if you take the actual personalities involved out of it, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's them or anyone else. | |
| I do wonder how the possibility of any individuals, any handful of individuals being able to change that direction. | |
| It's too much to ask. | |
| And I'm not, I'm definitely not, I'm not about to be, you know, I'm not about to write people off at all and say, well, they were just part of the, they're just part of the show. | |
| I mean, maybe, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but I think it's absolutely too early to make that call. | |
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| You know, you invoke David Icke. | |
| Now, like you, I saw David Icke when he emerged. | |
| I mean, I've known about him forever. | |
| I remember him as a sports pundit. | |
| Just someone that commented on a football match that had taken place on World of Sport or whatever. | |
| And then, of course, he went through that metamorphosis and he appeared saying some of the things that he has then developed over the last decades and all of the rest of it. | |
| And like many people, I thought, goodness me, what's going on there? | |
| What's happened with that man? | |
| But I've looked into it. | |
| I've read two or three of his books. | |
| I've listened to him speak. | |
| And like so many people, he has been right. | |
| He has predicted a line, a direction of travel that's undeniable. | |
| He was right. | |
| He is right. | |
| And I've always had a lot of time for him, but it's more complicated than that. | |
| Like anyone, I don't just listen to and accept everything that he says, but there's absolutely no doubting that he's someone who is worth listening to. | |
| If we are let down by the new administration that comes in, then of course people will, of course, again look elsewhere for solutions. | |
| I've gone through a process over the last few years where I am absolutely open-mindedly, open-heartedly ready to listen to anyone. | |
| I will not dismiss out of hand anyone. | |
| I will listen to anyone. | |
| I will absolutely listen to what they have to say. | |
| And I am uncertain myself about almost everything. | |
| You know, I feel as if I'm... | |
| I have felt for the last few years that I'm just in free fall. | |
| You know that feeling you get when you go over a humpback bridge or something in a car and you think... | |
| And your stomach turns over and you think, oh, when I'm... | |
| I've never felt I've landed since. | |
| I've felt that weightlessness. | |
| I like that feeling. | |
| When it happens. | |
| On a bridge. | |
| It's good when it lasts. | |
| It's good when it's a split second. | |
| But I've felt that not landing again. | |
| You've been in it for, like, years. | |
| You've been in that for years and years. | |
| Oh, Neil, that's a nightmare. | |
| That is what's happening. | |
| Like, in a weird way, the confirmation of RFK is a brilliant... | |
| To look at that, because think of the subjects that come up. | |
| The pandemic, conspiracy theories, vaccine links to autism, watching attempts to marshal the conversation towards safe subjects, as it were, like abortion, negating the impact of big farmers' interests and influence when it comes to matters of policy. | |
| Someone like Bernie Sanders you respect saying mad things like, do you endorse this onesie? | |
| Like, the whole world is insane. | |
| I know what you mean. | |
| You have this sort of state of peripheral You know, some of the stuff that's been levelled at RFK Junior, you know, Caroline Kennedy, you know, that stuff about, you know, where she was referencing, you know, dorm room stuff. | |
| I mean, the guy's 70. How far back is she going to find him in his dorm room? | |
| Talking about the fact that she's speaking darkly about him using a liquidiser for chickens and mice to feed his hawks. | |
| Frankly, if you keep hawks, you have to feed them baby chickens and whatever. | |
| That is how that is done. | |
| And that ad hominem attack to try and make him seem sinister in that way. | |
| And of course, because it's coming from a cousin, you think, what is going on when someone as close to him as that who's known him all his life is bringing up this kind of stuff in an effort to bring him down? | |
| And we're constantly being distracted from what I was drawn to RFK Jr. But long before he was involved in any of this, you know, running for president, then not running for president, then endorsing Trump, just when he was talking from that children's health defence perspective of saying, can't we just ask some questions about all of this stuff that's being pumped into American children's bodies? | |
| Can't we ask about that? | |
| Because it's clearly not... | |
| The stats are starting to stack up and it's not looking good. | |
| And talking about... | |
| You know, toxicity in the food that was routinely being consumed by American people and American people being offered no alternatives but to have these, you know, unhealthy lifestyles born of the food that they were being given. | |
| And you think, that guy is just asking very reasonable stuff. | |
| And then to have to watch him go through this process of just being, you know, ripped, ripped into, hectic, you know, vulture style. | |
| They're not addressing the kind of basic questions that he is asking. | |
| He's simply saying, can't we do something to make American people healthier? | |
| He has to be ripped apart for even suggesting that that might be a possibility. | |
| Again, I just find that heartbreaking. | |
| You mentioned that Ed Dowd's red line was the... | |
| Continuation of mRNA research. | |
| My own red line is Bobby Kennedy's confirmation. | |
| What I felt like is, if they find some way... | |
| Of not confirming Bobby Kennedy, or he only has a brief tenure as Secretary of the HHS, lame, impeded and prevented from taking real action, that is how I will truly know that there hasn't been the emergence of a new political force, but actually it's likely that... | |
| We are just seeing a shellacking or reframing of old sets of power in a somewhat novel way. | |
| And just to chime in on the Caroline Kennedy's, I saw him blend a mouse, I saw him make a fledgling milkshake, and I saw him in the dorms banging up smack. | |
| Like that, I thought that when you make anything granular, it starts to sound appalling. | |
| I think so much of the new hysteria around sex is that when you describe consensual sex in granular detail, or think about it between consenting adults or your own parents, it starts to become messy and murky and uncomfortable. | |
| There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone who keeps orcs. | |
| Blending baby mice and chicks, because that's just normal in that context. | |
| If he was doing it, you know, and then sort of feeding it to people, well, the fact is, it would probably be a lot healthier than some of the dyes in, I don't know, Froot Loops, which he's standing up against. | |
| So he's sort of part of the relentless trivialisation and vilification, and the reason I find him such a fascinating figure is Bobby Kennedy couldn't have happened pre-pandemic. | |
| He's a creature of the pandemic. | |
| He goes into it, you know, first as an ecological, like a hero of the left through his sort of legal work. | |
| Then as this sort of maligned figure because of his stance primarily on autism and vaccines. | |
| And then through the pandemic, he sort of metamorphosizes into a hero of a new movement. | |
| If he don't get confirmed, that movement is significantly impaired. | |
| And it gives an entirely new complexion to what's happened politically in the last four years. | |
| And I say brings into sharp focus some of the AIM RNA stuff we've touched on earlier in our chat and what the sort of broader objective might be. | |
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| I mostly want to talk about what the hell's going on in British politics, what happens when figures like Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate are sort of positioned as a kind of public opposition to a kind of conventional political figure like Keir Starmer. | |
| What is Keir Starmer doing wrong? | |
| It's kind of a long list. | |
| His position on grooming gangs, stroke rape, rape gangs, as Lara Logan reminded us, we should refer to them. | |
| Last week, his change of direction when it comes to taxes, and in particular, council taxes, and his alarming drop in popularity. | |
| While something very novel might appear to be happening in American politics, it's more of the same in British politics, and I'd love to... | |
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| Over there in the UK, Neil, where you... | |
| You and I yet await Lara Logan, who could still magically emerge and join our conversation. | |
| You must be shocked and struck by the peculiar decline of the United Kingdom. | |
| Was there anything approaching optimism when Keir Starmer was first elected, or did you always regard him as a kind of bureaucrat, authoritarian, former head of the CPS that never stuck up for Julian Assange, that appeared to squeal to the CIA on the subject of Jeremy Corbyn, a popular and populist left-wing leader of the Labour a popular and populist left-wing leader of the Labour Party that Starmer now heads? | |
| And tell me, what exactly is going on with him breaking campaign pledges? | |
| What's going on with the jailing of people for social media posts? | |
| And what is the atmosphere like? | |
| Not that you can offer, I suppose, an entirely objective opinion on something like the atmosphere of a country, but if what we're seeing in the United States of America is the emergence of this new kind of populism that we're as yet unable to fully discern whether it will truly reward the people that have supported it, What do you think is happening in the UK under Starmer? | |
| And where are we in that trajectory to assume that there is a common one, i.e. | |
| are we at some point in the coming months going to see reform or some sort of reform conservative alliance take power in our country? | |
| It's a very fascinating... | |
| I would say that has unfolded in Britain in relation to Keir Starmer. | |
| Obviously, all across Europe, and obviously Trump on the other side of the Atlantic is emblematic of the same movement, but all across Europe we saw and we have seen and we continue to see more and more people within electorates. | |
| Voting for so-called populist parties. | |
| And obviously, populism has become a pejorative. | |
| Goodness me, people voting for what they want. | |
| How dare they? | |
| And clearly, there has been a movement in the direction of populism in Britain as well, as is manifest. | |
| You know, in the form of reform and all of the rest of it. | |
| But as has happened elsewhere in Europe, this kind of determination by the incumbent regimes or the incumbent administrations to perpetuate the presence at the levers of power of people who seem to be doing the bidding of... | |
| You know, the people that were all worried about World Economic Forum, Clover Rome and all the rest of it. | |
| And Keir Starmer in Britain is a manifestation of that, you know, that determination to keep moving, to keep people moving towards an immiseration of the middle class, you know, the transfer of money from, you know, from the many to the few. | |
| You know, all of that is manifest in a personality like Keir Starmer. | |
| I would say... | |
| Quite honestly, I find him a person utterly without redeeming feature. | |
| I think he appears to me as an appalling human being. | |
| I cannot bear him. | |
| It's got to the point now where I'm almost phobic when I have to watch words and listen to words coming out of his mouth. | |
| I find him an unbearable presence. | |
| Clearly, he is a spectacularly unpopular politician in Britain at the moment. | |
| You've mentioned, you know, you've alluded to some of the things that are making him unpopular. | |
| Most recently, this, you know, ideas around tax, council tax, hikes and all of the rest of it, more and more money being taken out of the pockets of people who don't have enough money, you know, and it all being diverted elsewhere. | |
| A reprehensible... | |
| A reprehensible human being, I would say, that Keir Stammer is. | |
| He's got all the unfortunate, to put it mildly, associations with what happened with the Jimmy Savile non-prosecution. | |
| You alluded to the fact that he's overseeing a judiciary that's preferring to put people in, to incarcerate people for things that they're saying on social media. | |
| You know, while rumours being made for those people saying hearty things on social media by releasing all sorts of violent criminals. | |
| I have come to subscribe to the belief that Britain is being deliberately dismantled. | |
| I think Britain is being demolished to create a brownfield site as it were. | |
| You know, what happens when a tower block is dropped into its footprint and the rubble cleared and then something else can be put in its place. | |
| You know, the statistics show that not in modern history has a population been so altered so quickly as has happened in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. | |
| You know, the indigenous population has been so flooded with an influx of new people. | |
| And you can get into who those people are and where they're coming from and what their motivations might be and their impact on local communities and all of the rest of it. | |
| But to me, the biggest question is why has that happened? | |
| And I would say that Britain is in the crosshairs of those who are absolutely determined... | |
| Absolutely determined to dismantle and to get rid of obstacles manifest in the form of nation states where people have a belief in the sanctity of the sovereign individual, where they believe in rights to property, freedom of speech, equality before the law, trial by jury. | |
| Nowhere else on earth is any of that. | |
| More manifest than it is or has been in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. | |
| And that is why it has fallen under the crosshairs of those who need to remove obstacles like that on the way to one world government. | |
| They need to undermine the integrity of places like Britain. | |
| And Keir Starmer, in that context, appears to me to be someone who has been drafted into position to... | |
| Well, to tie up the loose ends. | |
| Well, that's a brilliant, if damning, and terrifying perspective, Neil. | |
| Keir Starmer is a kind of conduit and funnel to the new world order, exactly the type of politician required to augur centralised, uber-national power. | |
| The phrase that scared me most is when you said Britain is being deliberately dismantled. | |
| Throughout that, what I started to question is where will true opposition voices come from? | |
| Are you going to see them come from what used to be regarded as the right parties like Reform? | |
| Are they going to provide solutions realistically? | |
| And I mentioned when introducing this item the significance of, you know, do you want to call them online voices, activist voices? | |
| I don't even know how to describe figures that seem so modern as Andrew Tate. | |
| Tommy Robinson, I can kind of get a handle on Tommy Robinson. | |
| He's the kind of working-class activist the left used to always claim they wanted. | |
| And when you do get a working-class activist, you might not like what that working-class activist's perspectives are. | |
| And what, if you come from Luton, what your take... | |
| ...is going to be on social dynamics and Islam and multiculturalism and the areas where Tommy Robinson is often attacked. | |
| And whatever he's in jail for, and I know that it's sort of subjudiciary and potentially jeopardising the trial of people that are up on trial for grooming gangs, and indeed his position in his documentary that Elon Musk has reposted, it seems like... | |
| I don't mean to say this because it sounds somewhat irresponsible. | |
| When you step away from some of the details around Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson, which I acknowledge can be kind of troubling just in terms of rhetoric and stance and even style, what is it when you talk about someone like... | |
| Starmer, who's like an avatar, a ghost, a kind of phantom politician, the man who's not really there, almost in his voice you can hear that, in that kind of absence of the kind of nasal throaty voice, that there's a kind of an absence at his core. | |
| What are these kind of somewhat priapic, earthy, occasionally erratic, authentic, difficult figures that are starting to kind of rise up like a new Gog Magog while these isles are being kind of dismantled? | |
| I wonder if you can comment on that modern cultural phenomenon and what deeper roots it might have. | |
| But also, I wondered if you could cover me, because I must have missed this while I was out of the country. | |
| Starmer was like the equivalent of an AG. He was the head of the CPS for a long time before he entered into politics. | |
| While he was head of the CPS, I'm guessing, because I don't know about, the Saville case, the famous abuse and paedophilia case within the BBC, somehow reached the CPS? Is that what, because that's not a story that I know or I'm understanding. | |
| I knew that posthumously people found out that Jimmy Saville had been abusing and exploiting children, mentally ill. | |
| Even dead bodies, just like the worst story about someone that was a public figure, a revolting monster. | |
| And I even saw kind of attempts when I was falsely accused of sex crimes to sort of somehow suggest that I was part of a pantheon with actual terrifying monsters like Jimmy Savile. | |
| now how did the jimmy savile stop did that actually reach the cps with the crown prosecution service under starmer engaged with that and was some decision made not to pursue it it's not something i fully understand and then off the back of that can you talk about these other sort of giant figures in the cultural landscape like robinson and tate and all that when it comes to keir starmer you know you know uh you know director of uh you know public prosecutions i don't know enough of the legal detail either i do all you know he he has | |
| he has made an official he has An official position where, yes, he was in that position. | |
| Jimmy Savile's accusations were coming into the system about Jimmy Savile. | |
| It's undeniable that no action was taken against Jimmy Savile while he was alive. | |
| The way in which that happened and whether or not Keir Starmer came across his desk and he specifically made the declaration that no action should be taken, I don't know. | |
| But the buck stops here in that famous sense. | |
| He was the boss of that entity that was supposed to keep the people safe from people like Jimmy Savile and he didn't. | |
| You know, that happened on his watch, whether or not he was directly responsible for the decisions taken as to whether or not Jimmy Savile should be investigated, accused, tried or anything else. | |
| But, you know, it begs the question because we now know that so many people were suspicious of and right up to making allegations about Jimmy Savile for years. | |
| It turns out that it was common knowledge. | |
| Amongst many people that Jimmy Savile was operating in that way. | |
| And allegations were being made and officialdom was being contacted. | |
| And one way or another, the record shows that nothing was done about Jimmy Savile. | |
| And he was friend of royalty. | |
| He was chums with Prince Charles, now King Charles, and all of the rest of it. | |
| No action was taken. | |
| The truth of all of that has been obfuscated and occulted. | |
| Very difficult to get to it. | |
| But it goes without saying that it doesn't reflect well. | |
| We know what Jimmy Savile was up to and we know that for decades people were saying, Jimmy Savile is doing the following. | |
| What are you going to do about that? | |
| And no action was taken. | |
| It's a desperately, it's a desperately ugly state of affairs. | |
| That's all I can really confidently say about it. | |
| You know, Keir Starmer and the Jimmy Savile case. | |
| He was a dreadful human being and plenty of people were saying he was a dreadful human being and nothing was done to stop him. | |
| Yeah, because I don't even know that the Jimmy Savile matter was on the desk of the CPS. Like, you know, whether the Met have investigated and like, here are CPS, deal with Jimmy Savile, the guy's a monster. | |
| But what we do know is that Keir Starmer, when he was head of the CPS... To handle the riots that took place in London and across our country around 2007, where seemingly spontaneously youths across the nation engaged in these sort of oddly nihilistic, apolitical riots and kind of shopstormings and sort of mass lootings, as it were. | |
| And I remember at the time thinking, oh, this is weird. | |
| It's sort of, it's not politicised, but there's a kind of, though it was sort of started by the murder of Mark Duggan in police custody in North London. | |
| At least that was the sort of, the tinder. | |
| I remember thinking, this is because there's such a well of dissatisfaction and unhappiness in the country that even nihilistic events are kind of spilling over. | |
| Now, Keir Starmer, when he was head of the CPS then, he expedited the trials of those people, handed out harsh sentences, tried minors as adults, kept courts open 24 hours a day, and cases that were meant to be tried in magistrates' courts were tried in crown courts. and cases that were meant to be tried in magistrates' What I saw that as, is a kind of, this is a guy that is authoritarian. | |
| That's how he approaches the matter of law. | |
| Now, if you accompany that with any kind of negligence around serious matters that appear to pertain to sex rings, pedophilia in the BBC, royal family, let's face it, David Icke territory once again. | |
| then, you know, it's put simply. | |
| Kind of not a good look. | |
| And then when I add to it, like, the Julian Assange stuff, you know, he was leader of the opposition and possibly connected to the CPS all the while that Julian Assange was in Belmarsh without trial, five years there. | |
| Julian Assange, let's remember, who initially was condemned with false allegations of rape when the media started to hunt him down and recognise that some of his contributions to media were threatening. | |
| You know, our man Starmer there wasn't as leader of the opposition. | |
| Like, listen, I was head of the CPS. There's no way this dude should be in Belmarsh without trial. | |
| What's going on? | |
| He's sort of a hero. | |
| And if not a hero, he's a journalist. | |
| And if he should be in prison, then you can jail journalists anywhere for reporting and not revealing their sources. | |
| So, like, this sort of mosaic that appears of Keir Starmer even prior to political power is an indicator that he's precisely the kind of leader that you describe, someone that can be a vassal for global power. | |
| And, of course, he famously said... | |
| I prefer Davos over Westminster, I think, to Emily. | |
| Mate, it's a BBC reporter. | |
| I can see you're going to add something, mate. | |
| There's just something rotten, undeniably rotten, about the establishment. | |
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| Use the code BRAND. I mean, there are so many examples. | |
| You know, Cyril Smith, you know, that you can point to. | |
| Sir Cyril Smith. | |
| You know, he was knighted. | |
| You know, he was honoured from the highest level. | |
| And yet... | |
| He was a paedophile. | |
| There's something rotten, which I find someone like Majid Nawaz, for example, very compelling to listen to. | |
| Also, perhaps not quite the same profile as Majid Nawaz, but Dr. Ahmad Mallet. | |
| Now, both of those individuals are of Pakistani origin. | |
| Now, Majid Nawaz has been saying for, back in his LBC days, he has been saying that there was something that had to be addressed, that groups of men predominantly of Pakistani origin were raping. | |
| On an industrial scale, up and down the country and had been for decades. | |
| You know, and Majid Nawaz has spoken about that from within that community and was saying, you know, we have to, we, and by we meant, you know, the Pakistani community had to address this. | |
| You know, and there is, and more recently, you know, he has been saying that Yes, absolutely, undeniably, dreadful, dreadful things have been happening and that groups of men predominantly of Pakistani origin are to blame for it. | |
| But that it's wider than that and that it's all part of a larger program of... | |
| Sowing division. | |
| You know, these people were doing these things for 40 years at least and it was known and it was being alleged and whistleblowers were coming forward and victims were coming forward and they were being silenced, they were being criminalised, they were being told to go away. | |
| And then all of a sudden, as Majid Nawaz has pointed out, it becomes politically expedient Now, publicly allow these people to be tackled and dealt with and the whole thing comes up. | |
| But Majid Nawaz is amongst, and Ahmad Malik and the rest of them, are saying that there's something much bigger here. | |
| Much bigger. | |
| You know, and then around that, within that, you've got people, you've got figures like Jimmy Savile, you know, with friends in Buckingham Palace. | |
| The whole thing is riveting. | |
| There's a rottenness. | |
| There's a stink. | |
| There's something filthy at the heart of the establishment. | |
| And it needs to be, like the ogying stables, it needs to be cleaned out and exposed and all of the rest of it. | |
| You know, take a breath there. | |
| And you mentioned Andrew Tate, you know, Tommy Robinson. | |
| These are obviously, obviously in the vacuum, in the void that's left by the establishment being visibly Every sense in the body of the general population can hear, see and smell something rotten. | |
| Something rotten all the way through it. | |
| And any action taken is absolutely inadequate and too late and too little. | |
| And into that void, of course, into that vacuum, other personalities are drawn. | |
| And, you know, for the sake of it, somebody like Tommy Robinson would be a classic example of that. | |
| And Tommy Robinson has been around for a long time. | |
| And he's been on a long journey. | |
| You know, English Defence League and all of the rest of it. | |
| You know, Neil Yachtley-Lennon is, you know, his real name. | |
| And Tommy Robinson is an assumed name. | |
| He's written my book. | |
| And, you know, he's been on this long journey. | |
| And, of course, he has drawn people to him because he is articulating a fury. | |
| He has become a conduit, a lightning rod, you know, for a fury that's got nowhere else to go. | |
| It's not being earthed by the establishment. | |
| And so, of course, it's out there. | |
| You know, it's like that kind of, you know, Matthias Desmet, you know, anxiety, this free-floating anxiety that's out there. | |
| And someone like Tommy Robinson channels it. | |
| But he's also a divisive figure. | |
| It's very interesting to me that in the face of the establishment, a nascent opposition began to form, and it's called reform. | |
| Now, I can't bear politics. | |
| I couldn't be more skeptical about the political system. | |
| But nonetheless, something began to coalesce with under the name of, under the umbrella of reform. | |
| And it's very interesting to me that A fissure, a divide has been created there. | |
| And Elon Musk is very much a driving force behind the wedge that has gone into that nascent populist opposition. | |
| Because, you know, Nigel Farage, as leader of reform, has been put into a position of saying that he doesn't want to sit down with Tommy Robinson. | |
| He doesn't want to bring Tommy Robinson into the fold of reform. | |
| And so what that's done is split at a crucial moment that which had been crystallising as some kind of incredible opposition. | |
| And you think, who gains from that? | |
| Who gains from... | |
| That movement, whatever you want to call it, being split into those that side with Tommy Robinson and those who don't. | |
| What's the gain? | |
| You've just fractured something that had the potential to form up as some kind of a block. | |
| And a wedge has been driven into it. | |
| And you think, in whose interests is that? | |
| Now, these characters like, you know, I mean, I don't mean that. | |
| Someone like Tommy Robinson is such a Marmite figure. | |
| You know, people either love him and hold him up as a hero, almost, you know, kind of a messiah for opposition to everything that's wrought in the establishment. | |
| Or there's another faction about the same size. | |
| That don't want anything to do with him. | |
| And when I look at all of that happening, I just see, well, it's just division. | |
| It's just... | |
| All of it is about... | |
| It's all about creating chaos and creating animosity. | |
| And whenever anything even begins to look as if it might be coalescing and crystallising into something solid, something's thrust into the middle of it that... | |
| It's just small ineffectual pieces again. | |
| Yes, division among your opposition and divide and conquer are hardly new ideas or terms when it comes to imperial, colonial and in particular British power. | |
| It's a term that was long ago coined to describe the methodology of the British establishment in particular. | |
| What struck me as interesting, Neil, is twice now when discussing public figures you've used the idea of vessels or lightning rods or means... | |
| For conveyance of an ulterior or at least broader set of principles and ideas. | |
| Tommy Robinson as a kind of lightning rod for rage. | |
| Keir Starmer as a kind of vassal or conduit for a presumably global corporate authoritative power that sort of loosely hangs around organisations like the WHO, WEF. NATO and non-profit or non-government organisations that have incredible sway. | |
| They need their actors and players and avatars and also the folk appear to as well. | |
| The people sort of almost summons up characters to carry and convey these difficult sets of sometimes relatively primal forces and primal energy. | |
| What I feel might be being resisted, and I've felt this for some time, is we're beyond the period where there's a requirement for centralised power in the way that there once was, because the centralisation of power was necessitated by geographical distance and slow communication. | |
| When you have the ability for instantaneous... | |
| You also have the ability for decentralised and localised and collectivised power. | |
| And in a sense, the politicisation of everything is what... | |
| Creates and contributes to this division. | |
| Someone like Andrew Tate, I felt like, you know, what's an equivalent of Andrew Tate 30 years ago, 40 years ago? | |
| Isn't he just a kind of a demonstration of machismo in some ways? | |
| chauvinism the will and power of the individual malsexuality there's so many sort of words you could wrap around it but the fact that it's such a hotly political subject and such a and that he's become such a contentious individual is to me an indication of how our culture thrives precisely on the divisiveness that you're describing and that there's a kind of a need now if we're going to live in perpetual iconoclasm where it's not just characters like Andrew Tate that if you scrutinize you'd say well he said this he did that | |
| or Tommy Robinson well he said this or he did that but indeed Keir Starmer well he said this or he did that there's not like there's one set of people that if you analyzed them to death wouldn't have skeletons in their closets or wouldn't be revealed to have had feet of clay | |
| Indeed, this recent space The revelations from Trump, the disclosures, it appears it's likely to reveal that Martin Luther King, by any reckoning a great and influential and brilliant man, had more, shall we say, Marks against him, transgressions against him, flaws in his character, more fallibility than it had initially been known or reckoned. | |
| And if he was passing through the pipe of contemporary politics with its accompanying media, he would have been hobbled, nobbled and discarded much sooner with some of the claims around his private life and his sexuality that have long been discussed but now appear more vividly and more lucidly. | |
| In essence, is that, you know, Keir Starmer's a pretty broken, messed up dude, it looks like, if you start to analyse what's going on in his private life, or what he calls the shape of his family. | |
| You know, Tommy Robinson's pretty far from perfect. | |
| So, what it seems to me we need to start organising are where... | |
| Our principles of decentralisation, divestment of power and subsidiarity wherever possible, acknowledging that we're all fallen and broken. | |
| And some people, like you said, will... | |
| Turn to Tommy Robinson as a kind of working class saviour, and some people will see him as an absolute pariah. | |
| Either you're never going to be able to reconcile that and just have massive division with an ongoing advantage given to established and global power, or you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that we need to deploy technology to maximise representative systems of government. | |
| To minimise it. | |
| You don't want the government in your bedroom. | |
| You don't want the government in your pocket. | |
| You sort of don't want the government at all. | |
| So there's clearly some sort of reckoning required as to what is the role of government. | |
| Because whether it's what's going on with Trump and the potential disappointment that you and I discussed for a minute at the beginning, or what's going on with Keir Starmer and the UK and that kind of centralised bureaucracy, what you're sort of confronted with is, or what I'm confronted with is, do we need government of this scale? | |
| Who's benefiting from this stuff? | |
| Why are we not being broader, braver, more imaginative with our visions of how we might organise society? | |
| I think more and more, I think that as you rightly point out, you know, everyone, Martin Luther King, whoever, you know, some of the brickbats that have been levelled at Robert Kennedy Jr., Kirsten, anyone, Andrew Tate, people are maybe coming to terms with the idea that if you want a perfect hero, You're not going to find them because they just don't exist. | |
| But whoever wrote the, you know, I have a dream speech, you know, whoever, if it was him or if it was a collegiate effort or whatever, it was true. | |
| It was the truth. | |
| You know, judge people by their character. | |
| Absolutely right. | |
| And whether or not he was... | |
| You know, had multiple partners or whatever. | |
| Yeah, well, yeah, but, you know, let him, you know, judge not lest you be judged. | |
| It was still that what he had to say there was the truth. | |
| And what's, I think, you know, a lot of what, you know, Tommy Robinson or David Ike or whoever have had to say within everything that they've said is true. | |
| And you mustn't dismiss 100% of everything that someone says just because you don't like them. | |
| The truth can appear in the unlikeliest places. | |
| I sometimes think about a pressure cooker analogy where you've got a sealed pressure cooker with all that steam and heat and pressure building up. | |
| Where the steam comes out, where the relief comes, is not the strongest point. | |
| It's a little gap. | |
| It comes out through a little weakness. | |
| And there's something important about that. | |
| The truth can come out through an imperfect person, possibly because they're imperfect. | |
| Possibly because they have a weakness. | |
| That's where the truth comes out. | |
| Possibly. | |
| I mean, I'm only offering that up as a possibility. | |
| And just because we see too much of... | |
| Well, we now see people. | |
| You know, for now I see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. | |
| On account of social media, the kind of scrutiny that people are under, we do. | |
| We do. | |
| People are exposed to us and they're all imperfect. | |
| And so what? | |
| So what? | |
| That doesn't mean that they are not capable. | |
| A stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. | |
| It's still the truth. | |
| And I think we are. | |
| I would like to be beyond a time where we need the very idea of a one world government, a centralised point making all the decisions and cascading down a one size fits all solution to everything. | |
| Especially now is anathema. | |
| Because we have experience via technology. | |
| We have seen everyone, you know, all the stuff about, you know, whatever, Blake Lively and what's his name? | |
| Reynolds. | |
| You know, that whole gossip column thing that's going on. | |
| You know, Hollywood celebrity. | |
| You know, people are being exposed for the frail, imperfect human beings that they are. | |
| And, you know, what that ought to inspire us all to think is that, well, these people, be it Donald Trump, be it Robert Kennedy Jr., be it David I., Andrew Tate, whoever, they're not, you don't look to them for the solutions. | |
| And you don't heap that it's onto their shoulders, however broad or narrow, the responsibility for making your life better. | |
| All of it should be gradually nudging us towards the acceptance that it is, as other people have said, it's down to individual responsibility. | |
| You know, we have to insist. | |
| We have to insist. | |
| It's our obligation to take responsibility for ourselves and not keep waiting for a hero. | |
| The time has passed to look for a knight in shining armour. | |
| We have to take the responsibility for ourselves and it's onerous and it's difficult. | |
| And it does come down to accepting that I am as imperfect and weak and flawed and whatever skeletons in my closet along with everybody else. | |
| Who are these people? | |
| Who are these people that are going to emerge from somewhere that are perfect, that have never made a mistake, that have never done anything wrong and have all the answers? | |
| It's infantile to think that. | |
| We have to do it for ourselves. | |
| One hero that we were waiting for, who simply didn't arrive. | |
| In or out of shining armour was Lara Logan, who was... | |
| Lara Logan? | |
| Where are you, Lara? | |
| Where's Lara Logan when we need her? | |
| She never made it, but I think you and I, Neil, did a wonderful job of discussing the subject of RFK's confirmation, whether or not the Trump, immediate Trump inauguration is cause for celebration or concern, and how Keir Starmer's collapsing globalist experiment reveals a new pantheon, a new architecture. | |
| New heroes and new villains, but ultimately, Neil's revelation that really personal sovereignty and a connection to the divine is the only way that we're ever going to steward ourselves through this dark and peculiar time. | |
| Neil, thank you for joining us for Oracles this week. | |
| I hope that you'll be back next week with Lara Logan if she finds her steed, her joust, her helmet, her armour, and is able to sweep in and rescue us. | |
| I'll be ready when you are, Russell. | |
| Oh, man, thank you. | |
| You're so lovely. | |
| You were very brilliant today. | |
| I think the more time you're given, the better you get, actually. | |
| Lovely. | |
| And we must possibly consider wearing slightly different apparel. | |
| Well, your pertinence appears to be in a leperchief. | |
| I often think I look like something that's been made from the bits left over from making you. | |
| I feel the same way myself when I look at that sweep in your incredible hair. | |
| Where you've gone with the neckerchief, I carry a knife now around. | |
| As a Floridian, I carry a blade about my neck. | |
| Neil, thank you so much for joining us today. | |
| Thank you all for watching Stay Free Oracles with me, Russell Brand, and Neil Oliver, and the absent Lara Logan, who presumably is, I pray, safe somewhere in Mexico. | |
| We will be back... | |
| Next week, with more of the same, not more of the different, we've got Break Bread with Wesley Huff coming up on Tuesday. | |
| On Monday's show, I'll be talking to Jeremy Corbell about UFO disclosures. | |
| Fascinating subject. | |
| We could have talked about that, actually. | |
| I want to talk about that. | |
| Well, you know, let's talk about it next week. | |
| I want to talk about that. | |
| We'll talk about it. | |
| We'll talk about it next week. | |
| I reckon you could do 20 minutes on it. | |
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