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UFOs, Whistleblowers, and Government Lies – The Truth with Jeremy Corbell – SF530
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Hello, you awakening wonders.
Thank you so much for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
We're talking, of course, about media corruption and deception.
The Trump...
Bump is Trump's popularity increasing as he delivers on his popular mandate.
Additionally, I'll be talking to Jeremy Corbell, UFO expert, even though that's a term he rejects, about his recent appearance in Congress, his new documentary, excuse me, UFO Revolution, as well as his podcast, Weaponized.
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Firstly, let's talk a little about why the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge that there's no point to the Democratic Party.
Let's have a look at it.
They couldn't keep hold of RFK.
They couldn't keep hold of Tulsi.
And they can't keep hold of you.
Who is the Democratic Party even for?
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You certainly ain't going to be supporting the Democratic Party no more.
What's the point of them?
Is it Bernie Sanders?
Is it AOC? Is it Hunter Biden?
Is it Hillary Clinton?
Is it Adrenochrome?
Is it Frazzledrap?
What does the Democratic...
What party even stand for now?
Let me know in the comments in chat if you have an answer to that not entirely rhetorical question because it is the question we are posing at the beginning of this video that by the end we will have answered.
What are the Democratic Party for?
Here is a CNN reporter going into meltdown and inward tundra when she is confronted.
By the fact that Trump's approval rating is higher now than at any other time.
Presumably because in office he is undertaking the policies and legislation that he is mandated to do.
And wherever you stand politically, you will enjoy this particular CNN contributor's style.
He loves his graphics.
He loves his graphs.
He adores a spreadsheet.
And isn't that what unifies all America?
Isn't that what the Democratic Party's for now?
Spraycheats!
This is a very different Donald Trump.
He's leading a very different administration in the way he's attacking things, and the American public is very much more in line with him than they were at any point during his entire first term.
One, I would say, correction, this is not a very different Donald Trump.
This is a very different Donald Trump as being viewed by voters in this moment.
In the way he's going about things with Susan Wiles leading things, I think he is, you know, going at things in a much less disorganized fashion, much more organized.
Take me back in history.
Take you back in history.
What voter out there can look at the Democratic Party at this moment in time and say there's a voice for us, somebody that speaks for us, that goes up on Capitol Hill and fights the fights that we want them fighting on our behalf?
They didn't do that.
I can't do that.
It's literally impossible.
Have you not seen Back to the Future?
What will happen is all the photographs of your siblings will disappear and you'll end up having sex with your mum.
I said, take me back to the future!
So, it was so interesting to me that Donald Trump's first net approval rating of his second term is higher than his entire first term, and I was interested.
She's doing this with too much intensity there.
This facial expression, you can do it for a bit, like a guy like that.
That's disapproval to the side, where she's keeping her hand in her pocket.
But there's a point where you're doing that so much that you've actually turned into the elephant man.
Has that ever happened?
Has the second term net approval rating in the first month...
Have you ever had a higher rating than any net approval rating during the entire first term?
Donald Trump is the only- I have a really hard time believing this.
She's actually doing, like, a queen melody.
I have a really hard time believing this.
Rather than accept reality.
You can't, you have to accept reality.
I'm just a poor boy from a poor family.
Nobody loves me.
Like, just accept reality.
Don't go scrambling up the octaves in pursuit of a higher truth.
This is 100% true.
I went back.
I love spreadsheets.
He's brought us back to earth with her father.
She's tried to take us up there.
I'm just a poor boy.
I love spreadsheets and I love dots and blotches.
This baby is off the charts.
Donald Trump's is the first guy ever whose net approval rating in the first month of his second term is higher than any rating that he had as an entire first term, Kate Baldwin.
This is true.
I don't make stuff up.
The numbers are the numbers.
I believe you.
In nothing except when you have it in the wall.
And then I believe everything is safe.
That's exactly right.
Get a room.
Like, what's going on with the dynamic in there?
I believe you only when it's on the wall.
You've let me down too many times.
Like, actually, when I discovered that you were gay.
Sorry.
I mean, in my mind, they were married for a bit there.
But he's gazing.
I don't think it's wrong to say that.
I mean, he is, isn't he?
Now, let's have a look at John Fetterman.
If ever you want to have a reasonable conversation in life, why not go on The View?
Where you will get unbiased.
And open conversation from reasonable people.
Presumably that's why John Fetterman's gone on there in a tracksuit.
Is there anything you've been seeing or do you anticipate that there's gonna be...
I had a Star Wars figure with that haircut.
Changes that we should be...
I mean, honestly, I haven't been surprised by anything now.
I mean, he's been doing essentially what he actually campaigned on that.
He announced he is going to pardon the J6 individuals.
He is going to absolutely go after the border.
So there's a lot of things that he's already ran on.
I mean, criticize a lot of it.
And I don't agree with everything either.
But is the criticism Donald Trump is doing what he campaigned on?
Or is the...
What is the criticism?
I mean, that is the criticism.
That is what you campaigned on.
So then you have to say, I don't agree with democracy.
And then you're in real trouble if the name of your party rhymes with democracy, or at least borrows heavily from the same etymological root as the word democracy.
Because that is obviously what people voted for.
And then whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant, because what you've said is you want to live in a country where consensus is derived from a mandate from the people.
And if you don't believe that, if you're like, no, actually, what I want is I want to tell people what to do.
People are stupid.
They don't understand what they want.
If that's what you want, then that is a different thing.
And you're going to have to change the name of your party to the tyrant's party.
It's undeniable.
He actually ran on that and been really upfront.
Which is ironic.
Because the main thing you claim about Trump, of course, is that he's tyrannical.
But I don't know that that's true, actually, because he's just said, the only stuff that worries me that Trump's doing is the AI mRNA stuff.
Not the only thing.
But one of the things that I think, ooh, I don't know about that, that's a bit...
Mad, isn't it?
Can you explain that to me very slowly?
And I suppose people say, oh, it's entrepreneurial and it's going to be brilliant for the economy and stuff.
And I'm like, what about mRNA cancer vaccines?
If I do, if we are to explore that realm, I don't know if I want it in the hands of the very people that have caused these problems.
And I hope that RFK and all those people at the HHS are going to be able to operate as guardrails against the excesses of a pharmaceutical industry that has too much power and influence with legislators and has become sort of one of the arms of rampant corporatism along with military industrial complex and the censorship industrial complex that are able to augur mass mass control.
He's like, I am your reputation.
And he's, you know, kind of making those moves.
So that's kind of where we're at.
Early on, immediately after the election, I was like, hey, you know, we have a choice.
You know, we can freak out and follow every other thing around, you know, like a cat, you know, with a laser, you know, after he won.
Sometimes I think that I have a kind of tangential and unusual mind.
You know, I sort of thought, oh, that was a bit abstract, what you just said.
Then I watched like John Fetterman, like who's just like a regular guy.
I mean, just a senator in a hoodie is an extraordinary anachronism.
On a show, like The View, which is homogenised, sanitised, commercialised information, and they say things like, you know, if you're going to be like a cat following a laser, I think everyone's actually really on a weird trip.
Like, everyone is.
It's not just me, like, saying odd stuff.
Like, there's John Fettman on The View, and we're like, you know, like a cat following a laser.
Like, is that...
Is that an oft-cited example of easily distracted and discursive?
Or is John Fetterman referencing a recent time in his own life where he's like, Hey, the cat's really into this.
Actually, the cat can't even hold its focus on anything now.
It can't even...
Recognize whether or not a president is fulfilling its mandate.
See?
But I'm not that guy.
I'm not going to be that Democrat.
You know, for me, there's things I'm going to agree with, I'm going to disagree with, but I'm in the business of finding wins for Pennsylvania and for the nation and engaging the president.
I think I see that as doing my job.
Okay, ironically, we began this video by asking, what is the point of the Democratic Party?
And in a sense, we're asking, who are the symbols of it?
How will it proceed?
And people, I guess, will be trying to look into the miasma and dirge of the post-election Democrat Party and say, who is likely to rise up to be the avatar of a renewed opposition to the current MAGA movement?
And people will probably say someone like AOC, who has obvious appeal and following.
And then people like John Fetterman.
And then you wonder...
Will the Democrat Party in its ongoing sanitary process remove...
Even those somewhat popular figures in the same way that it extracted RFK and Sanders.
Let me know in the comments in chat what you think about that, because it seems the Democrat Party belongs to a kind of, do I want to say heterodoxy, sort of like an entrenchant heritage system that means that only Obamas and Clintons and their acolytes can control that movement.
And indeed, isn't that what has in some significant portion caused its collapse and decline?
Here's the deal.
The man was impeached twice.
I like the way this man speaks for a kickoff.
He was a dude.
And he is...
As we now know, Stephen A. Smith appearing on Bill Maher to tell us that the Democrat Party have completely lost direction.
I've been on that show of Bill Maher several times and what you're doing is you're preaching to the choir.
It's difficult to get anti-establishment information out on that show now because where Bill Maher would have once been seen as a somewhat renegade figure within institutional politics, as the Democrat Party became what they became, this sort of conduit for globalism, All of their media assets had to reposition themselves.
What does John Stewart represent now?
What does Bill Maher represent now?
What does Stephen Colbert represent now?
Popular mainstream figures that are pro-Democrats and can be useful anti-establishment figures if what you've got in power is Cheney and Bush waging wild wars in Iraq.
But now you have Biden and Kamala Harris and Obama.
Once you've had that, you start to wonder, well, what is that perspective?
That's part of the question we're asking, because we're not just saying what is the Democratic Party for, the political operation, but also the cultural phenomena that surrounds it.
If you're like a Democrat Party YouTuber right now, like, say, Dave Pakman, what is your role now to sort of go, well, Trump's expelling people at an alarming rate.
That's not surprising, is it?
Well, Trump seems to be playing golf.
And making off-handed comments while going by in a golf buggy.
Yeah, he's always doing that.
Well, Trump is doing some posts on Truth Social from Mar-a-Lago.
That's what he's always done.
That's basically what you're going to get.
And that's what people evidently want.
What's a more interesting question?
What does the Democratic Party mean now?
And what will it mean in media?
What will it mean in culture?
Where will it go now?
Because we're seeing the last vestiges of actual political power in countries like Canada and my own country, the UK, when it comes to...
The centre-left neoliberal political operations, i.e.
whatever that was that Trudeau was in charge of, and my thing over there with Keir Starmer, Labour, those things are entering now into total decline, presumably to be replaced by populist nationalist political movements, which is essentially what's happened in the United States and elsewhere.
But what will opposition look like?
Can opposition even come from the left now?
Or does political opposition to nationalism have to reconfigure now?
Now that it can't be some repackaged, reframed globalist purview, which is what it's been for the, you know, basically for the entirety of the post-war era.
Let's get back to our man on Bill Maher and see if he can give us a vision.
For the Democrat Party, let's see what Bill Maher says and let's look at how the audience react to it.
He was convicted on 34 felony counts.
I would watch a TV show where he does the opening titles.
You know, like how the A-Team was like, 34 felony counts.
You know, like with the A-Team, it's like, dum-dum.
Some veterans.
In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit.
A crime they didn't commit.
Or even Knight Rider.
Like with Knight Rider, what is it telling you?
Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless.
He's traveling the land, solving crimes with his car.
And the American people still said, he's closer to normal.
Exactly.
That's what they're saying.
He's closer to normal.
Why?
Because something that pertains, when you talk about the transgender community, for example, and you're talking about the issues that pertain to less than 1% of the population, the Democratic Party came across as if that was a priority, more so than the other issues.
And so he comes into office.
Now you're talking about childbirth, citizenship, and what have you.
He knows that's not going to pass the mustard, but he knows that he made that promise.
So when he shows up week one on Capitol Hill, he says, this is what we're going to do through an executive order, even though it's going to be shot.
He's saying, I kept my promise.
A lot of other things that he's gonna point to that he's gonna try to do, I kept my promise.
Then you turn around and you look at the left and you say, what promises did you keep?
Now you might know the answer to that.
I'm certainly not questioning your knowledge about that at all.
What I'm saying is, what resonated with the view, with the voter?
What voter out there can look at the Democratic Party at this moment in time and say, there's a voice for us, somebody that speaks for us, that goes up on Capitol Hill and fights the fights that we want them fighting on our behalf.
He didn't do that.
And that's why they're behind the home, and that man is back into the White House, and they want to sit up there and talk.
You look at the networks right now.
They're talking about him.
Look at it.
This is the latest.
Look at him.
Here he goes again.
Well, you know what here he goes again means?
He's doing what he said he was going to do.
He promised you he was going to do these things, and he walked into office week one, and that's exactly what he's doing, and he's saying, y'all do something about it.
And when you try to do something about it, he's going to say, look at them now.
Now they're concerned about these issues.
Were they talking about that during the campaign?
Hell no.
That's really it.
It's like a reasonable description of the situation, I would say, but perhaps I'd go a little further in my prognosis.
If the Democratic Party is ever to have meaning again, it's going to have to find some authority and integrity and some real purpose, because I think what happened over time is that that...
The entire political movement, and I mean internationally, but gosh, perhaps I should just focus on your country for a moment, got captured by globalism in two forms, commercialism, corporatism, and the deep state institutions that serve the interests of, for example, the military-industrial complex, Big Pharma or Big Tech.
And additionally, the migration component, which many people interpreted as a desire to dilute or otherwise threaten national populations beyond the explicit limits of legal.
Now, the Democrat Party has no real ideology, I don't think, except the vestiges and leftovers of wokeism, which have been rejected en masse, not just by MAGA or MAHA supporters, but I would say by a significant percentage of people everywhere.
And what remains, I would argue, could be satiated with a compassionate spiritual perspective, i.e.
love everyone.
We are all one human family, but we must not allow love to outrun truth.
In the same way, we must not let truth by too great a margin exceed love.
We must...
Balance the requirements for order, discipline and responsibility with an absolute requirement for compassion.
What we had in the Democratic Party was this just horrible, empty, hollow bureaucracy, total lack of competence, vision, direction and real principles.
So of course it's imploding.
And as it implodes, it seems that in the sub-molecular morass, very little is emerging in the way of new direction.
But why would new direction emerge?
In the form of the candour of John Fetterman just casually slouched on the view, telling the happy coven that...
People asked for a certain direction.
People voted for certain policies, and now those policies are being implemented.
And whether you agree with them or not, that's democracy.
And if you call yourself the Democrat Party, you can't have a problem with that.
But that's just what I think.
Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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My guest for the show today is a phenomena in himself, although he can easily be identified by his beard.
He looks like a hench-fit Santa Claus.
It's Jeremy Corbell, an American contemporary artist, investigative filmmaker and ufologist.
He's renowned for his documentaries exploring unexplained phenomena, advanced technologies and the intersection of science and mystery.
Through his diverse career, Corbell continues to explore and document the boundaries between science, art and the unknown.
You can check out his podcast Weaponized as well as his new three-part documentary UFO Revolution for free on Tubi or by clicking the link in the description.
Jeremy!
Thank you for joining us today.
What's up, man?
I'm always happy to see you.
Good to see you, man.
I really wanted to release your videos as promo, but I thought, you can't do that without asking people.
And then before I was able to really ask you, I thought, oh, it's going to take too long.
But they're such good videos.
You and your dog.
You can always use anything I've ever done and just put it out.
It's fine with me.
You don't got to ask from now on.
than this.
Yeah, man, looking forward to it with the conversation.
It's, yeah, dude, it's Shakespearean and shit.
In that show, they dramatize it and shit with music.
But it was fucking dramatic, bro.
It was dramatic.
I think it's important.
But anyway, we'll talk UFOs and all that fun stuff and hope you're doing good.
Thanks for the video.
Talk soon.
Good promo.
I'd like that as promo.
I'd like that as promo because I think it looks unusual.
And the one before it, you're with your dog.
What's your dog called?
Wiley is the big one.
He's my boy.
Jeremy took a 12-page document forward before a congressional hearing to bring clarity to the American people.
Then, U.S. Representative Nancy Mace, in the hearing, stated that that congressional report was given to her by Michael Schellenberger.
Worth mentioning here that I have a relationship with Michael, as in, like, you know, he comes on.
Michael, years ago, probably two years ago, you know, I was already chatting with you, you were already doing stuff, you'd already been on Rogan with...
Bob Lazar.
But Michael, I had a chat with him probably around that wave of interest.
And like he said, Michael, that he had heard from a separate source close to government that UFOs are real, that the government are in touch with extraterrestrials.
In fact, the thing that I said in my message to you where I go, the thing that fascinates me most about all of this is...
The thing that fascinates me most is the idea that there are living entities and that these living entities are in communication with governments and it impacts power and the control of information.
It was Michael Schellenberger that told me that.
He went so far as to say, like, he'd heard that there are, like, different nations and that they are integrated and, like, there's some that are, like, Nordics or whatever and come here and, like, they want to go shopping and stuff and it's like, what, what?
But they're not on a total, we are from another day.
They're not totally tuned in to, like, high frequencies of consciousness.
Like when you hear Terence McKenna talking about extraterrestrials, you think, oh, these things might be extra-dimensional.
Like, they're not even fully material.
And, like, when you look in the book of Genesis, Jeremy, when it says that Adam and Eve were clothed in light, and after the fall, they get covered in skin.
And it's like, whoa!
Prototype humans...
Might have been almost interdimensional before becoming material as a result of the fall and the disobedience or whatever.
Anyway, so I've always known Michael Schellenberger to be a quite sort of up there level of understanding.
Like, you know, he's a pretty serious journalist that will talk for ages about the LA fires and go, well, this department had this budget and da-da-da, like, you know, so he's not like...
Anyone like you, Jeremy, who is particular to this field...
You carry the weight of, oh, this isn't proper, it's still crazy.
You know, even when you talk about these things now, there'll be a lot of people going, this is a distraction, it's a distraction, it's man-made stuff or whatever.
But from your take on it, with your most recent, in your podcast, Weaponised, you're talking a lot about your new documentary, UFO Revolution, which is a three-part documentary that's available on Tubi for all of us.
Let's post the link in the description to that now.
You know, even if you've spent a lot of time with the elders in this field, I'm speaking to like Bob Lazar, and I know you've put decades into this, I know from people who know you outside of this, like Mark Mahoney or whatever, the genius artist and tattooist, he's like, him and his wife were like, we were so glad when this happened for Jeremy, because this dude has been on it for years and years, when no one would talk to him, he's been dedicated, you know, like you'll be, when you're an old dude, you'll be like...
Jeremy Corbell was one of the first people that started to stick their neck out on this stuff.
And being a BJJ guy, you know you don't stick their neck out.
So, can I ask you, are we in a moment of real transition?
Are we going to discover that non-human entities are involved?
And I suppose as well, tell us in particular about how your documentary, UFO Revolution, covers the idea that we are potentially going to get a false flag event in the coming months.
Right.
So a lot of that was kind of taken out of context and clipped online is a normal thing for when I say something.
It's not just scrutinized.
It can often be manipulated.
So what, you know, look, it's just the name of the game when you're talking about something that can cause ontological shock, right?
But here's the deal.
I accepted the invitation.
To have a documentary crew follow me for about a year on this road to trying to get a second hearing on UFOs to the American public.
So that's what the documentary premise was.
They're like, let me just follow your life and what you do on a daily basis and see where that goes over the year.
And I was kind of grateful for it.
Because at the time, I'd been receiving a lot of threats and not just negative comments online.
When you're dropping military-filmed UAP videos the government doesn't want you to see, which is fact.
That's what George and I have been doing as part of our work.
You get some pushback, man.
It's a battlefield when it comes to truth about UAP and UFO. Kind of, to your point, yeah, I started this accidentally.
You know, Mark Mahoney, there's footage of him and me years ago, and I'm complaining to him.
I'm like, I'm knocking on the doors, trying to get to George Knapp, trying to get to somebody that can start telling me what this is about.
Because I, like you, am curious.
Is this just physical machines?
Why this?
Why this?
Why did you become obsessed way back then?
You know, it's kind of the biggest question.
That I've ever been able to ask, which is, are we alone in the universe?
What is the nature of reality?
Is our physics wrong?
Are we being visited?
Are those distances so vast that they're not able to be traversed by an advanced technology from some culture that has had more time to develop?
They're just big fucking questions.
And so I got kind of sparked by Bob Lazar, like a lot of people, when he described the propulsion systems.
The way he described it...
Distance no longer matters.
All of a sudden, distance is irrelevant because of the propulsion systems.
So I was kind of like a tech geek.
You know, in my mind at 13 years old, that's what sparked me.
But that's not why I stayed.
That's not why I'm fighting for this.
Why I'm fighting for this is because I realized it is true.
There is truth to this.
UFOs are real.
You've been lied to.
And whatever the reason of why you've been lied to by our governments, our world governments, they've tried to cover this up.
And there's documented proof of this.
This is not like a mystery.
Why do you try to cover something up with a lie?
It's usually because the truth is quite profound.
And it could shake the foundations of how we understand what it means to be a human being living on planet Earth.
In this flesh suit of a human body.
I don't know, man.
Isn't that...
Freaking exciting?
Yes, I mean, like you said very early in your brilliant answer, ontological shock, which is what I'm trying to rebrand this kombucha as right now.
I think it's a good name for something, ontological shock.
Like you said, even when you're just dealing with the physics, just the physics, like the idea that distance and space don't matter, once you start messing with the rules of reality, you're getting close.
Obviously, by virtue of that fact, you're getting close to God.
And what else is there to discuss?
Now, one of the things you didn't cover there, because I gave you such a discursive and undisciplined initial question, was how this leads to a potential false flag event.
Around UFOs and also whether or not you believe that in addition to the more engineering and physical miracles like the space-time stuff you covered in the first answer, potentially there's a sort of cosmic sociological and even cosmic political component to this if there are interdimensional or inter...
...beings communicating with us, and also how that might lead to the false flag event, because presumably those things have got to be connected.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think, you know, the visitors just like our kind of interdimensional Gucci, they're here.
For some reason, and they might not be coming from outer space.
You know, we really don't know.
We definitely see craft traversing in space, but that, you know, the origin might be what they call, I don't know, ultra-dimensional or ultra-terrestrial, right?
They might be from here and just have been here longer than us.
But to answer your question, in my series, in the last episode...
Understand, the first two episodes, I show you what it takes to get into Congress, what's going on, all the meetings I had, bringing whistleblowers firsthand, whistleblowers in, in like secret meetings.
I mean, you see a lot of cool stuff.
You see new footage from Iraq of something that looks like the gimbal UAP, but this is different footage, and so it's interesting.
But the false flag thing, I want to really clarify this because people chop up my words and completely change the origin of where I was going with that.
What I was trying to say...
Is the quiet part out loud.
This is really important.
Everybody researching this, everybody involved in this, they were whispered these dates.
2027, 3036. It was like this range where something big is supposed to happen.
I just called bullshit on it.
In my series, what I said is that we are being whispered these dates that I fear that this is a false narrative to try to get people into the UFO community and kind of give a sense of, you know, private power to people.
I was just saying that I don't buy it, that I know the origin of what I believe to be a mythology, that it's being told to people privately, not publicly by the government.
Privately, that there's an event that's going to occur.
Now look, Russell, I am wrong every day of my life.
Ask my wife, ask my dog.
It happens every day.
I literally don't know when my coffee pot's going to go off when I said it.
Like, I'm not perfect with my beliefs and understanding, but it is my belief.
That this is false.
That people are being whispered this date and that this is not the reality.
That it's being used and weaponized as a tool to encourage people to kind of participate on a level.
I believe that the UAP narrative is now being shaped.
And my joke about it, because the CIA has this memo that I've been exposed to that says, you know, part of the duty is to shape the emerging UAP narrative.
And it's like, why do you got to shape anything?
Just tell the truth.
You've covered up all this shit about UFOs for decades.
Now it looks like we're about to get some truth.
I am highly concerned that to regain control, there are powers at force that want to shape how you understand the truth that UFOs are real.
So I say all the king's horses and all the king's men.
And you know, it usually says, can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
What I say is shaping the UAP narrative again, because that's what I see as a journalist.
I see people being manipulated and used in order to put out what I think is a false agenda.
So you understand now why I mentioned that in the show, is I am calling out the quiet part.
I am saying people are being told this.
Journalists like me are being told this, and I don't buy it for a second.
Yeah, I suppose it's because information of this magnitude has always had the potential to be disruptive.
Generally, the tactic has been to discredit the information and control it in that way through discrediting it.
Even if highly credible people emerged, like some of the people we've already listed in our conversation, they can easily be denounced because the information...
It just seems so implausible and so novel and kind of stimulating.
Now we're in a new phase, I suppose, because in every field, information has become diffuse, whistleblowers have become more common, the ability to spread information has sort of grown exponentially.
So like with everything, new tactics are required, a different type of discrediting that includes maligning and more serious tactics even than that.
So I suppose what you're saying is that there is a real-time attempt to ensure that the revelations around UAPs or UFOs or whatever terminology one prefers does not lead to a break in control.
Does not lead to a break in control.
And in this regard, it's not really different from information during COVID or any story where the function of media, conventional media, At least, is to ensure that in partnership with the state and other powerful interests, they're able to ensure that information doesn't reach significant numbers of people that will, for want of a better term, cause mass civil disobedience.
We've reached a point, I think, with these disclosures, say, under Trump with regard to JFK, where there's a sense that maybe that could happen.
And what we'll learn, perhaps, is what the limits are of even a popular leader like Trump are.
Is Trump able to go, here you go, there's the files on JFK, and we look at that and go, whoa, you can't ever trust them again!
Or 9-11, whoa, we could never trust them!
Or UFOs.
Potentially, wow, our whole understanding of reality has got to be revised.
Is it more significant than a shift from Hellenism to Modernism?
I don't know.
It seems to me that it has the potential for us to...
If that information isn't controlled, some of the conclusions that might be drawn...
I remember hearing Timothy Good talk about this, and I've mentioned this to you before, our spiritual conclusions, in a sense, circumvent and infuse all other matters, because it's a claim to absolute truth.
Once you start making claims around absolute truth, which is what religion does, then you are the supreme power.
Inverted commas, claim the supreme truth, collapse and implode with globalism being sort of faltering in the hands of neoliberalists and the cultural movement of wokeism faltering and being sort of reclaimed by nationalism and populism.
But if there were a new, as you said, ontological shock where people en masse were starting to question, like...
Interdimensionality and what Christ is and who Christ was and new ways of understanding his divine significance and absolute holiness, for example, just one potential take, then power is going to be significantly disrupted.
So where you are, what an amazing time to have been making a documentary, because I was watching that stuff when it was happening anyway, you know, like when that documentary was being made about you, I was like, oh wow, this is cool!
Jeremy Corbell's having a seat in Congress and stuff.
I wonder how this is going to play out.
So how it played out, you believe, is the system is magnificent at getting information, controlling it, managing it, reapportioning it, neutralizing it, diluting it, doing whatever it needs to do to ensure that that information doesn't disrupt the system itself.
Yeah, I mean, I saw it for myself.
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Look, the first hearing was a sneak attack.
Getting David Grush there, getting Commander Fravor, Ryan Graves.
When I was like calling David Grush and when I was calling Commander Fravor in particular, convincing them this is important, you know, put your head above the parapet.
You have something to say.
That was really a sneak attack.
What I noticed this second hearing, it was very managed and it felt to me like a counterintelligence operation to find out specifically with me and George Knapp, we felt this.
They were trying to find out who we knew.
Who was telling us?
What they knew?
What assets or information we might be reporting a release soon to the American public?
You know, they played it really well.
It seemed like a management system, and then bam, I really saw it.
It was really unfortunate, and I'm very perplexed by it.
I'll break this down for you, man.
I worked for two months to get onto congressional record for the American public.
And for the common understanding, something called the Immaculate Constellation Report.
I brought in the first-hand individual, the author, the whistleblower himself, into multiple members of Congress's office.
And I did this way before...
The actual term had been publicly acknowledged.
So this is something I was working on because I believe this information, I vetted this information and so did George Knapp.
So when I saw this kind of sleight of hand in Congress where they accredited Michael Schellenberger to it, which really saddened me that he didn't immediately say, wait a second, I'm a journalist, he's a journalist, we're both fighting the same fight.
I was stoked to have another journalist that I thought would be...
A man of his word and I thought would be truthful and not lie through omission.
It was a very bizarre thing and I know you're friends with him and I can't explain to you why that happened other than I know that Congress even fabricated a fake page.
I was asked to write an explanatory cover page.
Of the submission that I was making sure was going through this process meticulously to put on congressional record.
And I did so.
And at the end of the day, in the moment, at the dais, there's Nancy Mace, loud out, knowingly, blatantly lying about how she obtained and how they obtained, Congress obtained, that 12-page document which I submitted to Congress.
When that happened, I realized it was much more than just, oh, someone else is turning in your homework.
What I noticed is that they would go as far as to fabricate the congressional record, not just to erase my participation, but to try to create a different narrative to the American public of who can be trusted with whistleblowers.
And it was this moment that really nailed it home because I had seen it happening, the shaping of the narrative.
This is who you can trust and can go to.
And unfortunately, they're not trustworthy.
I'm sorry to say it.
It hurts me to say it.
But their actions tell me that they're not trustworthy.
And I think that's very dangerous.
It is dangerous for people like whistleblowers to put their trust in people who are not deserving of your trust due to their actions.
So Russell, you asked me, so I'm trying to tell you in plain English the way I see it.
I've been fighting at this thing for a while.
When people started losing control because of social media, because of whistleblowers coming forward, because of the deregulation of truthful information, there's a power grab going on right now.
And that power grab has to do with technology, influence, finance.
It's a story as old as time.
It's a Shakespearean drama.
I just happened to see it firsthand and I'm calling bullshit.
What revelation or revelations are you willing to make that others wouldn't be willing to make that justifies them extracting you and delegitimizing your contribution?
What do you imagine that line to be or can you prove what that line is?
Yeah, I mean, so clearly it's a lot about my relationship to whistleblowers and firsthand people that come to me and George Knapp and we document their experiences, bringing people forward.
If I can be trusted with the fact that I... Go ahead, yeah.
Are they generally primarily military or people in aeronautical stuff?
So it's mostly about hardware and tech.
Right?
They're not whistleblowers that go, I've seen a bunch of documents and videos of extraterrestrials.
Is it the former or latter categories or both?
Jeremy, sorry to interrupt.
Yeah.
No, it's a great question.
So by definition, the idea of a whistleblower is a government employee in the way that I work with this.
So I'll say government employees who have had exposure to the legacy architecture, the legacy programs, reverse engineering, actually have physically worked on some of the craft themselves.
So I think that, you know, why I'm dangerous to some of this, why...
They played it like George and I were going to testify and asked, what assets do we have to bring in?
If you look at my past, I have released some of the...
You know, or most of the footage of military film UAP, designated by UAP. So I think that's a threat to the control system and to the narrative if I continue doing such with George Knapp.
So what is it that I could bring to the table?
I think I don't have any NDAs.
I don't have any political aspirations.
I am just trying to tell it as I know it.
So it's both assets and people coming forward to the American public.
If people believe and trust my information, I think that is a problem to the status quo and consensus reality as we know it.
Yeah, but I reckon that we need to know what kind of thing it is because I know that...
Listen, because until we started to unpack it, if you'd asked me to list credible journalists that you could rely on to be...
I've spoken to him on the record about UFOs.
So I feel like what would...
You say that Michael Schellenberger wouldn't say.
That's the only reason to delegitimize you while simultaneously legitimizing Michael.
Like, I would have to, so, and I feel like, you know, this is not based on anything other than my sort of guesses, that Michael Schellenberger would be a person that would probably go quite far with stuff, I would figure.
So I wonder, what is the margin?
Yeah, no, look, I would be really happy to have other journalists in this that can be trusted that are talking about this.
We need help.
We need more people.
I was pumped when he broke the story of Immaculate Constellation.
You see me on the news.
I'm like, oh, hell yeah.
I had never talked to him.
Honestly, Russell, this is not about him and me.
This is about a larger system of...
Of influence that I see in Congress.
And here's what you need to know about it.
I mean, Tim Burchett himself, Representative Burchett, said the reason they excluded from being able to say my name was a security issue.
He admitted that, that he was told that.
I don't know what that security issue is.
I can only fathom.
So it's not about like who testifies.
I think it's important to have voices out there, people that are righteous.
Telling the truth about this and maybe there is hope for Michael, but you tell me why is it that the record Wasn't corrected.
Why is it that you would sit there and not tell the truth about how something was brought onto congressional record?
It wasn't confusing.
I showed him the document for the first time the night before.
I think that he needs to answer for that, not me.
And he has yet to do so.
So, again, I want to take this away from journalists competing and journalists having these issues.
I think the more fundamental issue here...
Unless you want to keep talking about it, I think, you know, I think kind of moving it away from that, we're all kind of in this together, Russell, and everybody has a role to play.
I think that we have to be honest, especially in journalism.
We have to correct the record.
That's what we do.
So I think that's important.
But what we're looking at here is somebody in Congress, Nancy Mace.
I mean, I walked into the office with the whistleblower to her months before.
So the fact she went on there, and maybe you're not hearing me, but they fabricated congressional record.
When I called out that there was a missing page, they uploaded a fake blank page on a congressional record.
To what degree?
Why?
Why would you do that?
That's kind of my question.
That's the big question, right?
I can only guess that what I told them and showed them that I could provide under oath to the American public is something they didn't want out.
And that most likely included really good footage of UAP, filmed by our military.
So you obviously know what the contents of the missing and later fabricated...
Is there a reason that we can't know?
It was nothing.
It was so weird.
It was just they asked me to write a cover page, an explanatory page to why I was submitting this rather than have the author there submitting it.
And that's what I did.
I wrote that cover page.
Also, at some point, I was going to testify.
That was part of the thing.
So I wrote in there, look, I'm willing to spill all the beans I have under oath in that setting with protections, with whistleblower protections.
I'm willing to do that as a journalist.
So it's not like the page itself was of the highest of value, other than it would obtain a custody issue, and it told them why this whistleblower wasn't there by face on their own, which is really important.
It's sad that there were fear tactics.
Put on individuals who just want to kind of spill the beans about the nature of reality.
I think all of us that are following the UFO and UAP phenomena and how it's reported on are in some way struggling to keep track.
Of the various strands and what the intention behind these strands might be.
In the lead up to Christmas and the New Year, the holiday season, it wasn't just festival lights that festooned the skies.
Drones were everywhere.
Drones above New Jersey.
Weird orbs.
I was looking at my social media feed and then even local news items where the governor of New Jersey was called up.
Colliding worlds that I was being asked to sort of hold.
Like, as someone that grew up on UFO literature, Eric Von Daniken, Timothy Good, George Knapp, you know, the names with which you are so familiar.
I was like, what?
Now we're suddenly seeing all these?
Like, this is on the local news now.
It's a bit like how I feel sometimes when I just see, like, regular news programs say, COVID was made in a lab.
As you've always known, if you watch the right media, now what I feel is, how are we not going to experience in the coming months, shock after shock, when it comes to our ontological perspective, because...
If we're going to have to deal with, OK, there's really advanced hardware, there's reverse engineering, there's the potential for massively increased military capacity and therefore warfare, there's the likelihood that all of the global superpowers, you know, let's just say for simplicity, the United States, China and Russia, rather than whatever bureaucratic...
Insidious interests might be puppeting those nations.
Like, that all of those have got relationships with extraterrestrial powers, and that the tech...
At some point, and I don't know how relevant the culture of extraterrestrials is, at some point we're going to have to ask, are they interdimensional?
Are they inter-temporal?
What is the origin and how does this impact our understanding of ourselves as human beings?
And the very deepest questions that we ask.
The rate of change is what's changed most of all.
Every single week or day, the rug is tugged from under us.
I was saying on one of our shows earlier this week, If you look at an ex for like 10 minutes, he's like, whoa, my God, fires, fighting, death, madness.
And then when you think...
When you're not looking at X, X is still happening.
It's like, whoa, my God, how much?
And all of the variations of X. I wonder if...
Now, here's a question for you, Jeremy.
It's likely that with now the levers of power being in hands, not only of populists and nationalists like Trump elected on a significant mandate, but...
Interesting and somewhat anomalous figures like RFK, the new head of the HHS, and some of his appointments that he's made there.
This means that we've got an unusual, I might say, in inverted commas, type of political power at the head of the United States of America.
Now, that's going to bring...
It's going to answer a lot of questions about what happens if you disrupt this new world order.
Have we put a stick in the spokes of this sort of globalist project that appeared to be unfolding under the auspices of the neoliberal left and wokeism?
And if now we're suddenly going to be inundated with big questions like, are UFOs real?
Is it possible that UFOs will be to Trump's 2025 presidency what COVID was to Trump's 2016-17 presidency, i.e.
A sudden and extraordinary, beyond national, inter-cosmological issue that's going to...
Demand a kind of reframing of the currently presumed political trajectory, which, if I can be reductive, would be the rise of nationalism across the world, inspired by the Magamaha movement, a kind of reformation of globalism, and a kind of new lexicon emerging out of that, and an attempt to sort of garner some popular appeal when they seem to have imploded dreadfully internationally.
What new sudden notions are we going to be expected to incorporate if...
UAPs and UFOs is to this presidency what COVID was to the last.
Yeah, like an intercosmological issue or whatever you said.
That's hilarious.
I love that.
What are the implications of this?
Well, first of all, a lot of people have great faith that in this new administration, we do have a shot at shaking shit up, at changing stuff.
You know, I see that optimism, which is very good.
It's great to have that optimism.
I do wonder and I do hope that on this issue, we get that.
However, just today, it's hilarious.
The Pentagon came out or the White House came out and said, The drone issue that you've been seeing for months.
I don't know if you've seen this yet, Russ, but it literally just dropped today.
I just saw it today.
They said it was our tech that we were serving.
They said the FAA told us so.
Now, I will tell you that is a direct lie.
But now that is the White House saying we figured it out.
We told you we'd tell you.
So here you go.
The FAA told us that everything everybody's been seeing, that that was just Our government assets, surveying, and hobbyists.
Now that's a problem because all the hope that people had, I know for a fact that is not true.
I talk with people in critical infrastructure who reach out to me and tell me the FAA has no idea.
There's actually communications between the FAA and these critical infrastructures being like these UFOs that are above our structures, our energy structures right now, they've been loitering for like seven hours.
They come up out of the water.
We don't know where they go.
So we've already just today been lied to about the nature of the UFO problem from this last swarm over New Jersey.
It really saddened me to see that today because I was hopeful too.
So I don't know.
Is it a spoke, like you said, in the wheel causing disruption?
Are we going to get ground truth on the UFO thing with this new administration?
I really...
Hope so.
We are positioned to have more truth about it, but it might be a secret that is too important to keep.
I just don't know.
But what happens?
What happens if all of this does start spilling out?
You're starting to see it, man.
There's whistleblowers coming out saying we have psionics programs to call in UFOs.
You know, we have videos being leaked that are supposed to be allegedly...
Crash retrieval programs.
So if this all is true, if this all starts coming out this way, then we're going to have to re-adapt to what it means to exist.
What are we part of?
Is this spiritual in nature and also physical?
Or is this simply like aliens from other planets?
It doesn't appear to be so.
It appears that whatever this is does have some link in some way to human consciousness, which is a trip if it's true.
Psionics, that's interesting.
I've never even heard that before.
Like, that's our ability to communicate telepathically.
Love it, yeah.
Unbelievable.
And crash retrieval.
The crash retrieval side of it, I don't like to think of these extraterrestrials as, like, being goofballs up there, like, they're crashing and, like, they're just us, like, in a few years.
I want them to be real kind of, like...
We have come to save you, type stuff.
Like Mr. Burns in that episode of Simpsons where he comes back and they think he's an extraterrestrial.
I don't want them to be like idiots.
I want them to be transcendent.
And as a new Christian, I'm also thinking, well, how does this relate to Scripture?
And as we've discussed before and as I continually bring up, whether it's Jacob's ladder or Ezekiel's wheel or the flaming sword at the gate of the Garden of Eden or depictions of surf.
Or the Nephilim or Sodom and Gomorrah.
There are so many biblical accounts that it's interesting because Scripture is...
Continually making different demands of its adherence.
Sometimes you've taken it literally, sometimes you're reading it poetically.
And when I introduce into that space, Jeremy, the idea of interdimensional, supernatural beings, for me, and it's hardly an original thought, I can't help but at least contemplate how do we bring this together.
Because I know what I thought when I was 16. I know that when I was 16, one of the things that...
I don't know if someone told me to think this or if I just thought in myself, oh wow, yeah, the Immaculate Conception.
Of course, if an extraterrestrial entity or angel, a representative of God, the creative force, came down and said, look, we're going to bring you sort of a saviour that's going to be our consciousness in material form.
Are you down with that?
And, you know, you've got to be pretty perfect to take that deal on.
And we're going to put another one in, your cousin, as well, to sort of, like, you know, prepare the way.
And he's going to be able to behave in ways that are beyond the limitations of the physical and spatial world, i.e.
space and time are not going to be relevant because you're not going to be dealing with Newtonian physics, which at that time would have been a far-flung dream.
Not for God, though, not for God.
But actually, kind of, sort of, something beyond even quantum physics that's beyond spatial and...
Temporal realities and alludes and refers to some kind of unitive field of reality that in a sense is synonymous with the idea of God anyway.
I mean, where this gets interesting for me is not the kind of corporeal-ness of an alien.
Like, so the idea of an alien autopsy interests me because I'd be like, oh wow, look, they've got kidneys.
But what interests me more is the idea of, you know, like the sort of, the sense you get, Jeremy, that you, surely like I, am pursuing that reality is not what you think it is.
And you feel it sometimes on the edge of dreams.
You feel it in moments of synchronicity.
You feel the presence of God.
And you're like, oh, wow, something's going on.
You have to sort of almost hold on.
I remember when I used to take acid when I was a kid.
I would feel like...
And I really connected that strongly with UFOs, by the way.
That time was very connected to my fascination with extraterrestrials and UFOs.
And I suppose you could just argue culturally, oh, well, you would be.
You were obviously some sort of little outsider, suburban kid, dropping acid, reading, sort of avant-garde literature and the internet of its day, which, of course, was pre-internet or at least popularised internet.
But I don't think it's that.
I think you're dealing with the same thing.
You're dealing with the uncanny, the nuministic.
You're dealing with ulterior or ultra realities.
Ultra realities, and that's what religion is doing, or any claim of absolute truth is saying, this is the beginning of reality.
This is the creator.
Of reality.
And the weird thing is, is that even if you don't think you're engaged in some esoteric idea of what is the nature of reality, whether that's UFOs or spirituality, say you're just a flat rationalist, you're still doing that.
Because you're saying, from now on, men and women do not exist.
You know, you're still doing the same.
From now on, we're all gonna wear this kind of...
We're gonna wear these hats now, and we're gonna use these words.
You're still, even though you're making...
You're making it boring.
You're banalizing it.
You're doing the same job of making an absolute claim about the nature of reality.
And I think, you know, and what I feel like, you know, what...
I used to say, sorry, I'll finish with this.
I recognise I've been talking too much.
I used to say, prior to becoming more sympathetic, say, with libertarian nationalist movements, for some reasons that were pragmatic and for others because I'd been sort of persuaded, I suppose, I used to sort of say, who cares?
What's the difference between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump?
So I'm saying this in 2015, say.
Who cares?
That's not enough of a difference.
We could be in some intergalactic epiphany of understanding the Yeah, I mean, I think clearly that is the case right now.
And what I like about having discussions with you, let's move away.
Let's move away from UFOs for a minute.
Like, if we're talking about UFOs, well...
There's something that pilot lets them.
There's something that created them.
That's the bigger question.
The bigger question really is non-human intelligence.
And I think that's where you get kind of the expanded idea.
Non-human intelligence has been a part of human culture with every culture through all time.
You call them angels.
You call them demons.
You call them extraterrestrials, light beings.
I don't care.
You take some LSD or some ayahuasca and you have teachers.
I've heard it all.
The point is, it's non-human intelligence.
That is what humanity has always been kind of engaging with, whether it be UFOs or not.
The core nature of that, I don't really know.
But you're right.
In our conversations and kind of our passion and interest is, where are we really sitting?
Like, what are the boundaries, the false boundaries that we put up for ourselves in the human existence?
And that, to me...
Is the core.
It is the most fascinating element.
It's probably why I love the UFO thing, because there's some tangibility to it.
When other people talk about this being contacted by non-human intelligence, there's no tangibility.
I can't grab it.
I can't look at it.
I can't reverse engineer it.
I can't touch it.
So the materialist in me says, I might have grabbed on to UFOs because there feels that there's a lie, and lies are important to uncover.
And it feels like there's a tangible physical aspect that could prove that to us in our materialistic mind.
But really the question is much bigger.
The question is, you know, what do we learn from this?
Are we part of a bigger tapestry?
Does that bigger tapestry connect us to other intelligence, other beings, other ways of seeing the world?
And we are being bombarded.
We are being absolutely 100% bombarded with A critical amount of information at all times from everywhere right now.
And I think it's going to require some discipline from us to take a step back, take a deep breath, move out of the human Shakespearean drama, and try to understand a little bit more about what it is that we're seeing go down in mass media and popular culture when it comes to these non-human intelligence ideas.
Because that's what we're learning about right now.
UFOs are real.
So there's something behind it.
It's a good way of framing it, Shakespearean drama, because in Shakespeare the referent is kind of a Hellenistic model of the emotions are the ultimate resource.
So it's going to be like Othello for jealousy, Macbeth for overreaching ambition, Hamlet for ontological indecision.
But we're saying that the palette of human emotion Maybe incomplete.
Now, I'm a new convert to Christianity.
That means I repent of my sins and I turn to Jesus Christ as my Master and my Lord and as my salvation.
Also, it means that I believe in the rapture, that Christ is going to return.
And the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of earth are going to spectacularly merge and create a new kingdom, and that there's going to be some process of separation between good and evil, in inverted commas.
Now, it's impossible to imagine that when that happens, that's not going to include...
New information and new interpretations.
So even if you are an absolute Christian, like an Orthodox Christian or a Roman Catholic, I'm not suggesting that other expressions of Christianity are lesser than that, just newer, I suppose.
But even if that were, even if you are ardent, ardent, like what they call the militia immaculata, that's a hardcore Catholic sect.
You would have to accept that when that happens, the kingdom of heaven and earth merge, whatever that's going to be, it's not going to be something we understand yet.
And it's not going to be something that can be entirely contained within Scripture, is it?
I mean, like, you know, I'm obviously talking specifically about Revelation now, as well as passages from Daniel and Isaiah and Ezekiel that talk about, like, sort of the apocalyptic event, and obviously it's only post-Christ that this is a sort of a redeeming event that includes salvation and the promise of...
Eternal life.
And again, we're back to that, you know, denial or at least overcoming of space and time, Jeremy, which, you know, is the main thing.
That's your old school Bob Lazar.
Well, they seem to be able to move, you know, sort of just like actually, oh, wow, hold on a minute.
That's beyond space and time.
That's beyond space and time.
That's a pledge and a promise.
So I'm really fascinated by...
You know, like if you, when you look at Revelations and it says sort of trumpets and seals and the lamb and the lion and all these entities and a thousand years and Satan and the beast and the Antichrist, I mean, it does sort of really sound like somehow you could go, oh yeah, man, like you'd be able to sort of watch that happening and it to sort of somehow be...
Somehow inclusive of the general framing of our conversation, and I hope not heretical or blasphemous, because what would it be like for that to be actualised?
Because it's talking about, you know, the thing is with Christianity, it's not like Buddhism, of like, yeah, yeah, there's a sort of a oneness and reincarnation, or Hinduism, an endless pantheon.
It's like, no, you're going to have a body.
You're going to have a body.
You're going to be walking around.
Christ came back and he ate some fish.
So I'm like, man, I'm like really trying to...
Wrap my head around quite a lot this morning, Jeremy, and I wonder where you land with that.
Yeah, you know, I honestly, I don't know.
Any of these things are possible.
You're much more qualified to tell me by reading and studying this kind of thing, and you're a convert to Christianity.
You know, I don't know.
There are a lot of people that agree with that and agree with you.
I'm kind of like...
From the position where I'm just excited to see what happens, we're definitely in a time of extreme change, and that's an exciting time to be alive.
I don't have the answers.
I don't know.
I'm just one of those people, I don't know.
I don't know what you call that.
I don't know.
And that's, for me, kind of a fun place to be, because I pass no judgment on the way that people see the world.
I try to understand it.
Maybe something will click with me later.
I guess it's agnostic.
It's kind of agnosticism and the spirit of investigation.
And I once...
One of the things that really affected me, a conversation I guess I had, was with Whitney Webb on this show.
And I was talking about, like, I was like, oh, man, like, as time goes on, like, even with all the crazy stuff they've said, David Icke...
And Alex Jones are giving you a better kind of overall perspective on reality than the New York Times and the BBC. What are we supposed to do with that?
And she sort of said, well, the problem is with, you know, not problem, she said, well, she said it so elegantly without offending anyone.
I don't know how she did it.
It's a very brilliant piece of language, actually.
She sort of said...
Like, with Alex Jones, you have to look at some of the things that are difficult to corroborate.
And I suppose some things Alex Jones has said, like, famously, there's meme after meme celebrating Alex Jones was right, list of all the things Alex Jones was right about.
And you can see, if you look at him on X, David Icke just lives in a continual sort of rage about, I've been telling you this for ages.
But it must be frustrating.
And I suppose, like, with someone like, you know, the difference we seem to be describing right now with you saying you're agnostic is you're continually engaging with whistleblowers on a very particular issue, albeit an enormous one, and going, oh, wow, so we can prove that.
Oh, they're not telling the truth there.
Well, that looks like that's using this kind of propulsion system.
And these documents suggest we're being lied to.
And why have they redacted that?
And why didn't they admit to that?
And how come that happened?
Whereas me, I'm, like, for me, it's like these...
Unfolding waves of heavenly rapture where I receive the silhouette of Christ in my solar plexus as a kind of geometric affirmation of his sacrifice being the establishment of a hitherto inaccessible frequency.
And as Whitney Webb might say, that's very difficult to corroborate.
It's always our friends that are gonna call us out, right?
No, but listen, I don't know if that word is really, you know, just to be clear, I don't know if I'm agnostic.
You know, I've always lived with a sense of purpose.
I feel...
And if I'm going to speak kind of plainly, I've always felt protected and directed, like there's a kind of strong current that runs through me.
And if I just get out of my own way and grab onto it, then I'm there for the ride, man.
And so to me, that is a sense of spirituality, I guess you would say, is I absolutely feel...
Directed and that there is a current that runs through me.
And if I stop thinking and making it all about the materialist rationalism that I'm kind of predisposed to, there's something beautiful and powerful about taking that ride, acknowledging it, telling the truth.
It's a path of discovery.
So I wouldn't say I'm agnostic because I don't know what that word means.
I would just say that I haven't found the words to articulate that aspect of my experience yet, but I can see when other people have.
It's like an acknowledgement that they're willing to sacrifice their own sense of ego to see where this can take them, not where they want it to go.
Thy will, not mine, be done, Lord.
We can check out Jeremy's new podcast, well, ongoing podcast, Weaponized, as well as his new three-part documentary, UFO Revolution, for free on Tubi.
There's a link in the description for how you can find that.
Jeremy, it's always amazing to talk to you.
I've come to the conclusion I'd hate to do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with you.
I feel like you're probably pretty good.
How many times a week are you rolling?
You can keep believing that because it feels good that you're afraid of me, but I stopped training 25 years ago, man, and I did traditional jiu-jitsu, boxing, wrestling, judo, all that.
I was never, you know, doing just Brazilian jiu-jitsu, so I think you're safe, Russell.
I think, you know, you might have an edge.
I got a lot of back pain.
Ah, good, good.
The back pain might be my advantage because I didn't like hearing about those strikes that you might have access to there.
I was like, oh no, he's got all of those things.
Even the 25 years off, you know, I'm just getting back into rolling again.
Jeremy, thanks, man.
Thanks for joining us for this conversation.
Yeah, always a pleasure to talk with you, Russ.
I love the way that you inspire kind of the thoughts about other people and the work they're doing.
It is inspiring to hear your perspective on stuff.
So thanks for doing your show.
Thanks for having me, man.
Thank you, Jeremy.
And thank you for joining us on our show today.
It's going to be a fantastic week.
We've got Wesley Huff on Break Bread tomorrow.
You surely saw him on Joe Rogan.
It's a fantastic conversation.
You'll love it.
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