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July 22, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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WE’VE BEEN BRAINWASHED! | EXCLUSIVE Interview with Candace Owens - SF 413

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	Hello there, you Awakening Wanderers!
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	For the first 15 minutes, we'll be with you on YouTube.
	I'm actually traveling back from the RNC now, unless things have gone really, really crazy.
	And this is just to let you know that for the next hour, you'll be able to see my conversation with Candace Owens.
	We'll be on YouTube for a minute, but eventually we will have to turn to the sweet stream of freedom that provides us these great possibilities and opportunities.
	Let me know what you think of it in the comments and the chat.
	We'll be back We have a fantastic live show tomorrow.
	Here's Candace Owens.
	In a parallel life, Candice Owens, things could have been so different.
	We were walking very separate paths, very separate worlds, running into each other in Cliveden.
	Suddenly, suddenly the conversations, you eventually marry an Englishman, suddenly the conversation, weird, and suddenly the conversations of right and left all converge around Christianity.
	I actually love our story, like me and you.
	I just think it's amazing because we were on such opposite sides and in a way we both abandoned parts of our side and realized that there's like a higher thing that's happening and it like all of the other stuff is just nonsense.
	Yeah.
	You and I have a very weird, like, you know, just weird.
	What you mimed there was the double helix DNA, Candice, and I feel the same thing.
	The first time I met you, you were in the UK.
	You came to our house, our studio there, and my favorite bit was not on camera.
	When I was, I said something like, you know, we talked about immigration, I think, and I was like, you know, listen, but what about compassion or something?
	And you went, oh, We're all gonna be okay.
	We're all gonna dance around.
	You sort of danced around my house and I realized...
	There are some things that transcend left and right division, things like spirit and the spirit of play.
	And now, do you feel like that this is something that's happened willing, like with you, and obviously with me, both of us have had some kind of, I don't know how you're experiencing it, I'm not projecting, I'm telling you my thing, like a traumatic external I know, it's been very overwhelming.
	in a tundra now, I didn't plan for this, I didn't intend for this, but this is happening to me,
	and what am I going to do? What's my response to this going to be? Curiously, given our obvious
	differences, we've both had the same response. I know, it's been very overwhelming, that's how
	I would describe it, and I did not expect it, and I felt it building, I would probably say,
	at the beginning of last year, and now that I look at it, obviously God was always walking me in that
	direction, because my husband had a conversion to the Catholic faith.
	He studied at Oxford.
	He studied theology.
	And so he had a conversion to the Catholic faith, and I never really quite understood what was compelling him.
	He goes to Mass every day.
	Yeah, and that made me interested in it because it was just such a huge part of his life.
	Everything we were donating to Catholic churches, I was just like, okay, what is this thing?
	I love God, but something is moving in your life in a different way.
	Things happened politically that made me sort of question Protestantism, I think.
	And I just started researching, and it was overwhelming.
	And it actually was overwhelming in the most beautiful way, because it finally made it make sense.
	What I mean is like, God gave me a platform, and I don't know why.
	I felt very undeserving of having a platform.
	And now it makes sense.
	I was given this platform because I'm supposed to do your will.
	I'm not given this platform because of me.
	It's got nothing to do with me.
	It was very powerful and very comforting and I finally don't feel like I'm just sort of swimming in a universe and not really understanding what the purpose is.
	I know what the purpose is now.
	It's always been God's will.
	We'll still talk about politics, I figure, but having both of us embarked on different journeys, It, as I'm sure it must, reframe the whole way you relate to the political discourse.
	For example, we've noticed that your content has moved from being on the frenetic 24-hour cycle that many YouTubers will be familiar with What are the clips?
	What things are trending?
	What am I going to say about this?
	To a sort of a deep heart analysis of history.
	Who determines what history is?
	Who decides what narratives prevail?
	And while you've been doing that Candice, are you aware that it's in some ways comparable to the sort of post-modern ideas of historical relativism and You know, of course there's the trope that history is written by the winners, but also there's a kind of Foucauldian idea of history as archaeology, that you can mine different seams of history.
	History is not just Napoleon did this, and George III did that.
	History is diverse, diffuse, nebulous, and it seems that that's something that's interesting you, in particular when you've talked about genocide, and American genocide, and And Hitler, and I can't work out Candace, knowing you as I do, I don't, you know, and I mean as I do, like to a point with a, I would say a degree of connection and understanding, but we've not spent loads of time together.
	I sense in you previously you are a provocateur.
	But I also sense that you are genuinely very, very curious about quite profound subjects and you obviously occupy now an incredibly unique space.
	So can you tell me what that change in particular is?
	Moving to deeper and longer forms of analysis.
	What's happened there and how you relate that to post-modernity, for example?
	Yeah, so what I would say is that I'm a provocateur in the sense that the truth is provocative.
	The truth is provocative enough, you don't need to actually add anything to the truth, you just have to be willing to tell it.
	and most people are not because when you start arriving at truth, and I'm talking about,
	I always thought I was chasing truth, like, you know, Black Lives Matter, it's fraudulent,
	you know, they're taking money, okay, that's a little truth, but what is the truth?
	The truth, you're at the Bible suddenly, right?
	And then you start to realize that it's not, these people are not attacking Donald Trump,
	they're not attacking this, it's not about racism, sexism, it's always been about Jesus Christ, right?
	It has always been about Jesus Christ, that is the person that has always been attacked.
	And so for me, there were things politically that I would say catalyzed the inevitable leaning of me
	into the Catholic faith.
	And one of the things was just, as you just mentioned, like genocide, right?
	I was severely propagandized in school.
	Everyone was, depends on where you grew up, but we were severely propagandized into this Now I look back and it's an absurd belief that the only people that have ever experienced genocide, it was World War II, it was done by the Nazis, and it happened to the Jews.
	And what that does when you are traumatized in a classroom, and I'm saying traumatized for a reason because these are Soviet tactics, to introduce very heavy, scary concepts to a child traumatizes them.
	Thomas Sowell wrote about this extensively, how the Soviets recognized this, and it leaves an indelible mark on your mind.
	And so it transforms you into a person that defends things in your life that you don't even comprehend, right?
	You have a trigger-friendly, suddenly something happens in Israel, and you're just like, Israel can do whatever they want.
	I don't care what Israel does at all.
	And actually what I'm doing is I'm responding to a trigger, a childhood trigger.
	of this fear that's been instilled in me through the three years of programming about the Holocaust, right?
	There's no question that, you know, what the Germans did or the German Nazis did was horrific.
	All things that are done in wars are horrific.
	But then as I started looking back and I stumbled across that BBC documentary, which I am challenging every person to watch, The Savage Peace, and I recognized that a Holocaust was committed against the Germans during peacetime by the Allies.
	It ripped me into a new universe.
	Shocking.
	Children lined up and shot for the crime of speaking German.
	These were not Nazis.
	They did not vote for Nazis.
	This took place in modern Czechoslovakia.
	And to hear the Czech citizens talking about what happened and how they were basically This was done, and a large part of our conditioning in America is to make it so that we never peel back that onion and recognize what we were doing.
	Twelve million Germans were ethnically cleansed.
	These were innocent Christians.
	They had nothing to do with Adolf Hitler.
	They were removed out of their homes, their belongings were taken, they were lined up, they were shot, and then speech laws were passed so that they could never talk about what they experienced.
	I have friends in Germany today.
	They're telling me that my clips are going viral and it's like a quiet conversation.
	The news won't cover it.
	And they're just so grateful because a German friend with me shared what happened to his ancestors during this time.
	And I said, how did you never share this with me?
	You know, there's a fear of talking about what actually happened because of this version of history, which is very slim.
	And if you question that narrative, which I have done and I'm doing, and because it's important for us to know the whole truth, And I want to talk about the way Christians were persecuted, which for some reason really deeply upsets people when you talk about Christian persecution.
	They will attack you with everything that they have.
	I am being attacked every single day, and I've never been more clear, more happy, and have never felt more strength and more certainty in terms of what I'm doing.
	I think, Candice, but when you say that there are unexplored and seldom discussed narratives when it comes to ethnic cleansing or the extermination of peoples, the example you've just given of German-speaking people in Czechoslovakia It is interesting that that's an argument that's also used by people with regard to this particular issue on the diametrically opposed side in that recent debate between Mehdi Hussein and Douglas Murray, both of whom I think are extremely well-equipped communicators.
	Douglas Murray uses the idea that antisemitism in the sort of common dialectic Highlights Israeli war crimes in a way that this is of course the not only his argument but a relatively popular argument in defending Israel's actions if that is indeed what the function of the debate is.
	Is highlighting Israel's actions while ignoring sort of Muslim violence on other Muslims or the genocides in Syria.
	Now, so when we say that the Holocaust is but one example of genocide, that genocide is not an event that was unique to World War II.
	I think all of us are kind of peripherally aware of the Uyghurs being sort of persecuted and executed in China.
	Or the various Congolese massacres and the Tutsi people across the continent of Africa.
	We're aware that genocide appears to be a part of human history.
	Are you saying that in some way and in particular the idea of Holocaust and genocide has been appropriated and used to facilitate Israeli foreign policy and if that is what you're saying, I wonder how we look at, for example, as a British person,
	Britain's role in the Balkanization and, um, and re-bordering of that region, you know, the Balfour Treaty and the Second World War.
	Because if we're going to start looking at various narratives, which I suppose we must, I suppose we must, then how is it that we find truth there when there are so many, it seems to me at least, potential truths?
	Right, so one of the things that I did when I started becoming interested in this and recognizing that I had been severely lied to, and it was in large part again due to that BBC documentary, The Savage Peace, it's excellent, it's very hard to find, but I've shared it on my Twitter for people that are looking for it, is I wanted to make sure that I was reading sources that would not So I started reading Israeli historians and was very shocked to discover that Theodor Herzl wrote in his book, this is a person who's hailed as a hero, that he would kill as many Jews as he needed to to get Israel established as a state.
	That was just something that he felt was a sacrifice that needed to happen if Israel needed to become a state.
	And you know, this is long before World War II.
	I think absolutely, just to be clear, that genocide and Holocaust has been appropriated to further Israel's interest.
	There's no question about that.
	Right now, there's a clip of me going viral.
	I did an entire episode talking about the German genocide and the German Holocaust, and I raised one issue in that episode, which people should be Confounded by, which is that if Israel is the state that needed to exist, as we are told in America, because of the Holocaust, because Jews needed a home, and because they were put into concentration camps, then why is it that a Jewish man who ran a concentration camp in peacetime and mass murdered Christians in Czechoslovakia, why is it that that man was protected by the state of Israel?
	Even though he was wanted for war crimes.
	This is just a fact.
	I just shared it on my Twitter as well.
	He was protected by them until the day he died.
	There's a lot of criminals who, mass murdered Christians, who were protected by the state of Israel.
	If you have a right as a Jew to know your history, and I don't doubt that you do, I believe that you do, I've learned your history in the same way that you've learned it.
	I understand that learning your history is traumatic.
	It was traumatic for me to learn it as well.
	Please do not stop Christians from winning their history.
	Why don't we learn about the Bolsheviks?
	Why don't we learn about Henrikh Yagoda?
	He was the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century.
	He was putting Christians into gulags.
	The Bolsheviks were beheading priests.
	They were burning down churches.
	I believe that Christians in the West have been propagandized against Christians in the East.
	And when you start to look at World War II history through the lens of Christianity, things become quite shocking.
	The amount of, you know, cathedrals that the Allies bombed at the end of the war due to bad intel.
	You know, you may have seen that I did the charter Catholic retreat, the pilgrimage, hardest thing I've ever done physically.
	But you eventually walk for three days, and this is another example, and that cathedral is still standing because there
	was an American general who, when he was given intel, bomb it. There's Nazis inside.
	He thought that the intel was weird, and he volunteered himself to go behind enemy lines and to actually look into
	the cathedral, and it was wrong intel, and that has happened a lot.
	That happened a lot.
	Why were Germans firebombed on Dresden?
	Dresden was an objective war crime, but why were they firebombed on Ash Wednesday?
	Why did we drop the bomb on Nagasaki?
	We're not given an answer for that in American classrooms.
	It's this sort of nebulous, well, we had to end the war.
	We had to end the war by dropping a nuke on Catholics praying in Nagasaki and wiping out the entire Catholic population.
	Am I wrong for knowing that?
	Yes, that's what they say.
	You knowing the history is what's wrong if you step outside of the bounds of what we put into your textbook.
	Well, I'm stepping outside of those boundaries.
	I am demanding to know more, and I'm spending a lot of time studying, and I want other people to be encouraged to pursue truth, not what is being told to you in a classroom that is being run like a Soviet propaganda cell.
	You're a phenomenal iconoclast and I suppose early in your career in punditry you addressed the most immediate issue, I suppose, as a black woman talking about the cultural use of blackness and the various political ideas that have been utilized, exploited, criticized, maybe ignored, it depends on your position.
	We've argued about that before in some weird bizarro world where I As a proud black woman to defend the rights of my sisters against you, you racist!
	And now it's like you've moved into a sort of new terrain of iconoclasm.
	And I suppose just to sort of mention in passing, because as you must be, I'm aware of the avalanche of commentary that will no doubt surround this conversation in success that might be drawing attention to the distinctions when it comes to the holocaust of matters of race that the the jews are a race as well as a religion the concentrated time period and the scale that all of those issues are probably you know that we could spend hours on all of those things but i'm actually very very interested candice in what you are saying when you talk about the persecution and
	Execution of Christians.
	Are you suggesting that there is something significant and a story untold when it comes to the persecution of Christians?
	Yes, I believe Christians have been intentionally persecuted and I believe that Christians in the West were not aware of these persecutions because of severe propagandist successful efforts that have happened in our school system and the more that you, like I said, peel back the onion and I've spent time and I know that you know that I was baptized in London and I've spent time speaking to a lot of European priests and I believe that Catholics have been holding the candle.
	And when I sat down with one of them, because I wanted to ask every question, you know, and I wanted to, you know, poke the bear, play devil's advocate, say bad things about Catholics and say, well, what about this?
	You know, as I was...
	In this period of study in London and it was just incredible to have this priest, one in particular, look at me and just say, you Americans know nothing.
	I mean, you know nothing about your own history.
	You don't know about the Freemasons.
	You Christians know nothing in America.
	America has become a playground for Protestantism intentionally because what does the Bible tell us?
	Anything that is not whole necessarily becomes polluted and becomes devilish, right?
	So the idea is to continually divide, right?
	The Christians as being divided amongst thousands of Protestant faiths, all believing my truth, my truth, my truth, which is a form of leftism.
	Actually, it's a form of Marxism.
	It's my truth.
	What is the truth?
	We need to be one holy apostolic church.
	That is what I believe.
	And I believe that that has always been a threat.
	I believe that all of the wars have been about breaking up Christian empires.
	And when even examining, you know, the start of the Russian Revolution, the assassination of the czar, most Americans don't know that, but they do know the part where they're like, well, there were these Jewish pogroms and, you know, Jews left Russia and they came to America.
	Okay, well, how were we able to sift through which Jews that left Russia, as they did, Were the ones that were terrorists who were mass killing Christians.
	I think it's part of a relevant part.
	How do we go through that process?
	Oh, there is no process.
	When you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and just in the first couple of pages of his book about the gulags, he speaks about how, isn't it amazing that there were trials for the Nazis in the Nuremberg trials, trials, trials, trials, but the Bolsheviks got away with it.
	There were no trials.
	Many of them went to America.
	Many of them went to Israel.
	They have been protected.
	They got to live out the rest of their lives and die.
	That should make you ask a lot of questions.
	How is it possible that they ran gulags, they created gulag systems, they mass killed Christians, they mass drowned us in barges, they tortured us, and there were no consequences?
	How is it possible when he says that they looked up at the end of World War II and recognized and were able to see people that were going, this is it, the heroes have won, and these people were still being persecuted and mass killed and we did nothing?
	Why?
	These are questions everybody should want to know.
	You've read in your textbook that we were the heroes, the allies won, we put an end to concentration camps, but we locked arms with Stalin?
	He was able to just go on doing what he was doing?
	In fact, you gave him land?
	You allowed him to storm into German land and mass kill more Christians and establish more concentration camps?
	Does this make any sense to you?
	Have we all been lied to?
	Have we all been deluded?
	Yes, I believe so.
	I think Americans in particular.
	We've been drugged.
	That's a piece of it too.
	I think big pharma.
	Right now we're having children in school that 40% of kids in America cannot pass a basic reading exam.
	So the future will be, I will tell you what history is.
	You won't even be able to read a book.
	At least right now I can go back and I can find old history books and learn more about history and sit down with priests who I believe have been holding the candle for Christians for a very long time.
	In the future, your history will be told to you.
	These are the bad guys.
	The Christians are always the bad guys.
	Every time you learn about Christian history, we're always the bad guys.
	You learn about the Spanish Inquisition, we're lied about what actually took place then because it makes Catholics and Christians look bad.
	You know, we're told about the Dark Ages and then the Age of Enlightenment.
	The Dark Ages weren't dark.
	It was an age of remarkable Christian progress, remarkable Christian experimentation.
	And so I am just very passionate now about using my platform to awaken Christians around the world, because I believe that when Christians are awakened, a lot of the evils in the world will stop.
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	It feels to me that perhaps some of the things you are describing, and you're describing a lot of things Candice, are perhaps because in some ways Christianity through its various forms of institutionalization became meshed onto power, whether that's through Roman Catholicism and the establishment of the Vatican or even the conversion of Constantine, it seems that the point that power And Christianity melded together.
	Political power, I suppose I mean.
	That there was a complexity that means, at least now, that we truly are living in an individualistic, materialistic, progressive, and late-rational, post-Enlightenment age.
	That Christianity is sort of in the quagmire with old, discarded ideas, somehow replaced with some of the forms of progressivism that you in your previous incarnation focused on quite heavily.
	And I suppose there's an assumption that Christianity doesn't require any protection, doesn't require any special spaces.
	I've heard people say, for example, that, oh, this return to Christianity that seems to be happening culturally, this new intrigue and excitement, a kind of a new awakening, a sort of what might be what precedes a second coming or a rapture, is an attempt by the culture to reboot the last thing that works.
	True Christianity, Candice, would by its nature be anti-establishment, somehow challenging to people in positions of power and to powerful institutions.
	It seems that you've embraced this aspect of Christianity, but when you look At the modern political stage with like what's happening in my country, a new centralist authoritarian globalist government coming to power with an extraordinary portion of the votes.
	What's happened in France, a kind of machination and alloying of political groups in order to maintain Macron's centrist authoritarian globalist power.
	What is required is a kind of inversion, a new radicalism and yet the only type of radicalism that's sort of discussed is either technological radicalism and advanced citizen management or maybe Islam.
	I wonder what you think about the necessity for this new Christian awakening to become politicized or at least to become a challenge to existing political power?
	What you're saying is, you've said a lot and it's very important and I hope people listen to what you've just said twice and I want to slow it down because it's really important.
	What they've actually done and what I'm talking about is I fully believe that the West has been infiltrated by Marxists.
	That is what is happening.
	And Marxists are necessarily satanic and they necessarily hate God and what it means to hate God is to love Satan is to love the devil.
	So what you do is you invert everything that the Bible teaches you invert.
	So you want to create your own some antichrist, something that's antithetical to the Bible,
	and you want to repurpose it and sell it to people as the truth.
	And you're seeing that all around, right?
	So they don't want you to believe that you have a creator.
	They want you to believe that science can create, right?
	You can turn to science, you can turn to technology.
	We are your creators, we are your fixers.
	If you want to die, you can now turn to science.
	If you want to live, you can now turn to science.
	You can come to us and we'll get you pregnant.
	And to see people that put, and I talked about this on my show,
	and then of course they made fun of me called me a flat earther because that's what they do.
	They take clips out of context and make it seem crazy.
	The commitment to science has become a faith.
	You saw this during COVID.
	They have their sacraments.
	They've recreated everything.
	It was this great experience.
	In my view, COVID was this experiment that the science class, the satanic class, was running to see whether or not they had successfully made themselves gods, right?
	They were telling people things that made no sense, made no sense.
	Some things should have come online and said to you, your intuition,
	like why would this make any sense?
	And people were just doing it.
	If they had said hop on one foot and you'll stay alive, people would have done this, right?
	Atheism is the ultimate faith.
	It really is actually.
	You know, what people were doing to stay alive, believing that the government could keep them alive.
	What is that?
	That's an inversion of faith.
	And so, yes, that is what is happening right now.
	And this is why they have such an obsessive hatred for Christians.
	And a piece of this is that they very much control the mainstream media.
	This is part and parcel, by the way, to the propagandists that killed the Tsar in 1880 Russia.
	They were running propaganda.
	They understood that they could control minds, that they could be the first to publish, and much of that is going on right now.
	And so it's first important that people recognize that, that this is actually a completely inverted faith.
	It's a satanic faith, but it is a faith, and they have all been slowly indoctrinated into that faith.
	And the only solution to that is for you to find true faith.
	You have a creator, it is not a scientist.
	You are not supposed to be poisoning yourself with hormones, you know, convinced... I brought up on my show the Aztecs.
	Like, you think about the Aztecs and the fact that they committed child sacrifice for rain.
	They would literally line up children and kill them and sacrifice them because that was how they were going to get rain.
	They believed that.
	And you go, oh my god, how barbaric.
	We right now have People in America that are Hollywood actresses that stay on stage and they cry.
	Michelle Fields did this, Michelle Williams, pardon, did this and she thanked God that she was able to get an abortion because otherwise she wouldn't have won this statue.
	What is the difference?
	We are mass killing children right now, right?
	Abortion, all of it has become such a fate.
	Women are in the streets marching for a right to kill children, nine months in the womb.
	This is not like in the UK where you don't have the conversation as radical as it is in America.
	They want to be able to abort babies nine months in the womb.
	That is demonic.
	That is satanic.
	And it is a complete and utter inversion of what we learn in the Bible.
	Right?
	And so, yes, I don't even know what your original question was.
	I just wanted to slow down what you said because there was a lot in there that was actually really important about what is happening right now in our society.
	And the return to actual faith, real faith, biblical faith, understanding that you have a creator and this is not it, is the most important thing.
	It's beautiful what you're saying Candice, the simple idea of there being a creator if unacknowledged in a sense does not quell the almost certain truth that something must be nominated to occupy that space and in the absence of a divine creator a secular one is appointed and anointed and I suppose that's what you're saying is the sort of satanic dimension of Marxism as a person that sort of grew up with a Kind of autodidactic, casual and radical appreciation for Marx, an easy adulation for Che Guevara, that was actually, if I may say, built on anti-establishmentism, challenging power, the idea that the Bolshevik revolution was about usurping and toppling unelected elites in order to empower ordinary people and that Che Guevara, and I know more about Che Guevara
	Now of course, and I recognise the complexity that's wrapped up in that man, was a radical idealist that travelled from nation to nation, and I'm aware of his, you know, like the crimes and the persecution of gay folk and all of that kind of stuff, but that...
	In a way what I was excited about when it came to Marxism were ideas of revolution, radicalism and attacking the establishment.
	Now what it seems when you talk about Marxism and say that we've got this insidious new form of our Marxism that's infiltrated political systems across the world.
	What you appear mostly to be interested in is the anointing of the state as the apex of power and how this literally godless ideology permits oddly pagan ideas like child sacrifice to resurface in new formats.
	I imagine if Michelle Williams were to have the opportunity to talk about what she meant when she won that statue, she Might talk about individual rights, individual freedom, bodily autonomy.
	But there's, I think, the reason that abortion remains such a hotly contested and complex subject for all of us is everyone that has been involved in abortion knows that something that you're doing is transgressive.
	Now, during, when we found out that my little boy had a condition called Tetralogy of Fallot, it was in utero at 26 weeks, Scan and it was in a sort of a very difficult time in my life more broadly and he ultimately my you know was born during all of the intensity of the Allegations and the media for all that like, you know, I alluded to at the beginning of our conversation Obviously my wife and I were offered late-term Termination we were told like this condition is likely that there will be these accompanying conditions, etc
	And my wife in particular, I have to say, was certain about having our son.
	Now this idea that you have a kind of abortion with child sacrifice is a complex one and I know as a Catholic it's a matter of creed for you and I can certainly understand and appreciate that.
	Because in a way, Candice, with the subjects like abortion and the intensity that it brings up and the furore and the discomfort and the anguish and the agony, isn't it that we have to assume, in order for us to live like that, we have to have faith like that?
	The fact that abortion is discussed in the terms that it is, Is an indicator that the individual has indeed usurped God as the summit of being.
	And you can see all the things that flow from that.
	That science is the new religion.
	Our current threshold of knowledge is the absolute threshold.
	Even when people go, no of course we will learn more.
	It isn't accompanied by the kind of humility that ought be evident when people have to recognize that there's been epoch after epoch of new revelation of new revelation and that down down there in the quantum mysteries there are extraordinary activities and paradoxes that appear to be approaching the cones of the unknowable, the koans of the unknowable.
	My son, of course, you know, he's really well and he's beautiful and he's fantastic.
	He had heart surgery when he was 12 weeks old and he's a really, really beautiful boy.
	But I feel like with your point on abortion, isn't it an indicator that, you know, isn't it an indicator that we are some distance away from having a deep faith and a deep vision?
	And is it therefore, would you agree, difficult to condemn Or judge individuals who are all, in a sense, occupants of a culture that has a sort of a nihilism as its central thrust.
	I don't judge those people at all, and I'm glad you brought up the word anguish, because that's right.
	A lot of the times when you're seeing these women, they look anguished to me, and I used to be pro-choice, so I don't pass judgment at all.
	I came out of the same public school system with the same talking points, the same rhetoric, the same false belief in science, which taught me when I was in school that it was a clump of cells.
	Imagine my shock when I saw my son on the screen at five weeks, and I could see him dancing because of the power of ultrasounds today.
	So I don't judge people at all.
	In fact, it's the exact opposite.
	I actually condemn conservatives.
	This is why I say thinking about things in the context of conservatism, republicanism, to me is a nonsense because you're speaking to these people as if they knew.
	Calling people child murderers who have had an abortion is not going to bring people over to your side, right?
	But having an open conversation and saying, I thought the exact same thing as you, and here's the thing that makes them defend it the hardest.
	Because they believe that they're not allowed to change.
	They believe that once you have done something wrong, you can't do something right.
	And the media insists on this.
	Like, but you did this in the past, so you can never be pro-life.
	Yes, you can.
	I want women to know that.
	If you got an abortion because you believed that this was something you had to do because you were propagandized in the school just like me.
	I have friends that got abortions.
	They weren't like, I want to go kill a kid today.
	They actually believed, they were told from the time that they were children, that if they had this child it was going to ruin their entire life and ruin their entire prospects.
	I get that.
	You are not a monster because of this.
	One of the most beautiful things about the Christian faith is the grace when you come to the Lord.
	That is actually one of the power of the sacraments of confession.
	That is the power of being baptized.
	You can come anew.
	And that is why Christianity is such a beautiful faith.
	It is a hopeful faith.
	You can change who you are.
	Your background, my background, I mean the things that we've done in the past, and look at the grace of God that we're able to have this platform, have people listening to us.
	That's what I want people to hear.
	I don't want that message to be, you're a child murderer, I'm a conservative, and you're not.
	That's wrong.
	That's not a Christian message.
	And so yes, I believe that we have been walked into everything that is antithetical to the Bible by people who...
	I actually believe in child sacrifice, people that are Satanists, and a lot of people are just asleep at the wheel following them.
	You know, it's the same reason that people do drugs.
	It's the same reason that people watch pornography.
	And I look back and the Catholic faith always was strong on this stuff, right?
	Against pornography, against birth control, and when I look at where society is today, I just go, man, the Catholics had it right the entire time.
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	There's a beautiful moment in Corinthians 1 where Paul says, did you not know that your body is a temple?
	And when I heard this in a sermon recently, what got me was almost the grammatical frame in this,
	of course, being in modern English rather than the various languages
	it may first have been written in and interpreted from.
	But what I liked was the gentleness of, did you not know that your body is a temple?
	And the invitation for us to consider that indeed, as he says, that they know not what they do,
	that many of us are operating out of ignorance.
	To a question that we were circling a little earlier, perhaps the greatest problem of all is one of antithesis.
	When you consider global power, it does appear to be an attempt to replicate in every way omniscience, Omnipotence, the kind of qualities of an all-loving father, the kind of citizen management that WF acolytes and devotees declare involves control over seeds and nature, being able to control and manipulate seeds, control over data and information, control over every aspect of a human being,
	Biometrics.
	It is indeed an attempt to usher in a new era where the role of the creator has been translocated into bureaucracies.
	It's curious to me that the aesthetics of these new bureaucracies in say figures like Justin Trudeau is always kind of banal and anodyne and somewhat beautiful and verbally at least liberal and then elsewhere figures like Keir Starmer Macron, there seems to be a sort of spectrum of kind of either banality and a kind of anodyne, sanitized, managerial, bureaucratic political system, loud, vivid, lurid culture systems that are divisive and disorienting.
	Rather than what you might regard, except unless you choose particular issues to scrutinize, outright diabolical evil.
	So I wonder what you think of the two recent election results in the UK and France, and do you consider these apparent national electoral victories to be, in a sense, victories for globalism?
	I do always consider these to be victories for globalism.
	I was particularly interested in the French elections.
	You know, I've been following and covering the Emmanuel Brigitte Macron story.
	It's utterly deranged and very bizarre that you have a person... I mean, the press can't deny it.
	Emmanuel Macron, no matter which way you slice it, was statutorily raped by Brigitte.
	Okay, there's no question about that.
	That's why the French press won't touch it, the American press won't touch it.
	They just kind of leave that alone.
	It's like, that's totally normal.
	Because of when they got together?
	When they got together?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So Brigitte Macron was 34, I think, at the time.
	And her student was 14.
	Maybe she was 40, actually.
	But it was an incredible statutory rape situation.
	And they just keep on going and go, doesn't matter.
	Like, eventually they got married.
	Know that there's something very not right with that.
	Women at the age of 40 are not attracted to 14-year-old little boys.
	And so, look, I was especially paying attention to this election because you saw this rise of people saying like this is wrong the system is
	wrong and then suddenly like just at the end they were like ha ha
	played a trick and Just kidding
	Like this is this is the way it's going to be and I my commentary has been that it's become very apparent that
	Democracy is an illusion and I think that it's been an illusion for a very long time
	Plausibly forever again to keep people dumb and deluded and constantly going. Oh, well, at least we're not Russia at
	least we're not this You know, we're we're nothing like that
	Tell me what it is about Russia that you think we're not and I will point you to the time in history that we did
	something ten times worse I mean, I think Putin notoriously said when someone—it might have been Biden—called him a killer, and he said, it takes a killer to know a killer, right?
	Yeah, that's kind of the point.
	Like, we're constantly being propagandized to go, but this evil could never happen here.
	Oh, propaganda, that only happened at that one time in Germany.
	It's not happening here.
	And people are awake now and recognizing, what are we even talking about?
	Every single thing that we complain about or every person that we think is evil, we've got someone in our own government that we can point to who has done something 10 times worse.
	And that is a remarkably scary recognition.
	I think that process can be scary for a lot of people.
	And I know that I've been forcing people to read this book.
	You absolutely must read it.
	I'll send you a copy.
	Chaos.
	Um, which is about MKUltra, the government program and everything they were up to in the 60s when JFK got shot.
	And it's, there's something about reading it that is so, you come to terms with the fact that the elements of your government are in fact demonic.
	And they always have been demonic.
	And there always has been a war on the spirit of man.
	Um, and when I say the spirit of man, I'm talking about the Holy Spirit.
	There has been a war against crisis, which obviously is what I believe it is.
	But the answer to that, because I know people go through this and then they feel depressed about recognizing these institutions, the answer to that, by the way, is faith, right?
	It's understanding that you are saved, that Jesus Christ is a person that came here and your belief in him will save you.
	And I'm telling you, you have to have that understanding to get through the dark, recognition of realizing that this world is being
	controlled by satanists. I don't use that word lightly. It's literally being controlled by
	people who know the Bible, understand the Bible and are trying to recreate it and invert it onto its
	head. And that's scary, but it's real.
	Do you think that's why it is so banalized and why it's not evocative and demonic and
	satanic and pentagrams and excitement? It's kind of a sort of a banal managerial safety
	and convenience. We're just responding to this crisis.
	There's a lot again I want to ask you about that there, you know, there are no discernible
	or meaningful points of difference between sometimes parties in individual nations.
	Or nations in global conflicts that the points of difference, if unpacked, would yield similarities, ultimately because what has happened is we've become mired in materialism, we've become mired in usury, and debt, and corrupt financial systems, and corrupt belief systems, and corrupt sexual systems, like that everything has become sort of almost ubiquitously Corrupted and I take your point seriously about the Satanic rule and dark power in higher places and principalities of darkness.
	It's something I've been thinking about a great deal myself.
	I wanted to ask you about the Christ is King stuff though because that's another one of those moments that I was taken to potentially be anti-semitic, deliberately provocative.
	You did a lot with your eyes there and your eyebrows.
	That was very efficient.
	So can you tell me, and do you sometimes delight in that?
	Do you like saying things that are provocative?
	And if not, why do you keep saying things like, Macron's wife's got a willy, Obama's wife's got... Why do you keep saying everyone's wife's got penises?
	I never said Obama's wife had a penis.
	That came from you.
	You did!
	I heard you!
	We know they're recording on their end because they slated it!
	So good!
	So to unpack that, first and foremost, I was shocked when Andrew Clavin came out with that episode.
	I guess that was going to be the agreed upon attack on me.
	The ADL on the very same day kind of ran with this Christ is King bit.
	It was a very coordinated attack and I think what it was was that there was actually nothing that I said That you could present to the public as Candace as an awful human being.
	So you just kind of went back and found something and Andrew Klavan went back to a tweet of an actual biblical passage that I shared back in November and said, look, she said Christ is King and this must be a rallying cry.
	It was bonkers.
	Honestly, it was bonkers.
	And genuinely, I feel bad for him because the backlash was severe and it was swept.
	But that to me is what happens when you just you thought you were going to take on Jesus Christ during Easter week.
	I mean, the whole plan was just weird and maniacal.
	But what I will say is I was so grateful for that because I just saw that I genuinely believe that God inspired Andrew to attack me in that way.
	I see beauty in the way that he attacked me because I was already on this path internally of realizing that I have this platform and I am a Christian.
	I have not been using this platform to speak about Christianity and I was just becoming more and more committed into my faith and then that attack To me was like a sign from God.
	Like, look at this, look at this.
	You can't even say Christ is King.
	I was going, what?
	What do you say?
	Why can't I say Christ is King?
	I mean, obviously, after sharing, like saying Christ is King of my heart.
	This is what I believe in.
	How dare you say this is like anti-Semitism?
	I mean, it was just bonkers.
	So that was it was interesting.
	But I appreciate what he did because it further committed me to my path.
	I genuinely believe God put that in his in his mind and made him attack me in that way.
	But to your second point, what were you asking me about Brigitte Macron?
	Yes, yes, all of them.
	Yeah, I'm going to actually force you, because it was incredible.
	I went on Piers Morgan.
	You actually covered this bit.
	And he's sitting here telling me she's not a man, but didn't actually read the piece of the journalist who is not being sued, who created, for three years, looked into this.
	It's a six-part series.
	It's the most compelling thing.
	It would be such an easy thing to debunk.
	It's bonkers.
	Brigitte, you're saying you're not your brother, that they're saying that you were,
	and that you changed your gender at the age of 30.
	Just go on a walk with your brother.
	He disappeared.
	Your husband that you allege that you had never existed.
	I mean, the story is so crazy that all anyone has to do is read it,
	and then you'll realize that they just keep not debunking this in the easiest manner ever.
	I just want one picture of you in your first 30 years of living.
	That's pretty easy.
	I think that's an easy ask for any person.
	Can't do it.
	So there's something very sinister happening there.
	I actually hold the belief, and this now is just my intuition,
	that a lot of the world leaders have been selected, and that there is a blackmail ring
	that has been running the world, and that they put these people in positions of power
	because they know their secrets, and they know their dirty laundry,
	and they can manipulate them.
	And I think that Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel Macron are an example of that.
	And that extends, we know that network is real because of Epstein.
	That was very clearly a blackmail ring against politicians, which brought me to being shocked by the Diddy lawsuit,
	and the idea that you have all of these rappers that are similarly being blackmailed
	because they're being drugged, and they do something on camera,
	and then they have them basically controlled.
	So blackmail rings exist and there are people that are in positions of power who are being blackmailed.
	That's a fact and that's a reality that we have to be able to stomach and be able to face.
	Yes, I suppose that even if these stories sometimes seem ridiculous because they are so ghoulish, garish and improbable, the idea that there are blackmail rings, it's been around for a little while now that there are deep state agencies from various nations that have assets like Epstein and you seem to be suggesting and you're not alone in that, Diddy, figures within entertainment, figures that are approximate to government, organizing scenarios where I suppose, based on that sort of sinful nature, that tendency that all of us have, to some degree or another, to create our own domain of power, often through pleasure, always through self, always through self and through pride in some form, that if you're going to have a system where people in apparent positions of power are not ultimately powerful,
	Then you have to have means and measures to control them.
	And, you know, increasingly, the way that news narratives are changing so fast these days, I suppose, again, like technology, you alluded to the Bolshevik revolution having a technological component, even in so much as their pamphleteering ingenuity afforded them sort of an advance on the opposition, as it were, even though I still sort of feel like the serf class needed a break.
	It seems like that now that news narratives change so fast in the post-debate, you know, Trump-Biden debate, it seems to me that you can see the outline of separate camps within the Democrat establishment.
	One, kind of, we're keeping Joe Biden no matter what.
	One, we're abandoning this dude now.
	I wonder if you feel that the debate was... do you feel Do you feel that that was an accident?
	Or do you feel that they must have known, like everybody else, that this guy was not going to be out of hand on a 90-minute on-screen performance?
	And what do you make of the emergent camps?
	Like one camp now that it seems to be open season and open ridicule on CNN and on establishment media, and it wasn't just two months ago.
	And yet in other media assets, presumably strongly establishment affiliated ones, mourning Joe MSNBC, there still seems to be an attempt to advocate for Joe Biden.
	What do you think is the ulterior movement there?
	So I didn't see MSNBC covering for him, actually.
	I saw that they had a doctor on and they were saying he had Parkinson's yesterday.
	So I think MSNBC has thrown him under the bus as well.
	And so for me, for them all to be in lockstep, suddenly talking about the things that we knew were apparent all the way back in 2020, when we were saying that obviously he is on the decline, obviously he's got some dementia issues, and now they all suddenly agree.
	That is obviously, in my view, a design.
	Like, there has been a button pressed, and by the button I mean the CIA.
	It's very obvious the CIA controls America.
	The presidents are puppets.
	That's why they freaked out when Trump became president, because that was like an accident.
	And anybody who doesn't believe that, go watch Putin's interview with Tucker.
	He basically laughed at the assertion that he deals with presidents.
	He's like, I don't deal with your presidents, you know, I deal with the CIA.
	And that was honest, and this is part of the reason they did not want that interview to be aired, because Americans are supposed to be dumb and drugged and deluded into believing that when they go and they vote, that the president that they elect is totally in control and can, you know, actually make decisions, when in reality, and I would say arguably since JFK was shot, there has been a shadow government.
	The CIA obviously was behind the assassination of JFK.
	Everybody knows that.
	Few people will say it.
	Because they have been controlling our presidents ever since, and I think through mechanisms of blackmail.
	And Trump somehow disrupted that, and that is why the full weight of the establishment came down on him when he ran.
	I think they genuinely just believed that Hillary was going to win, and they didn't have the right mechanisms in place to get her over the line.
	So I am struck by it in a way where I'm very aware of the fact that this entire political song and dance is a nonsense and that we essentially have a gang that's running America and they have decided that Biden no longer serves them because they literally cannot put him in front of a camera, right?
	So he's deteriorated so far now that they just have to keep hiding him.
	They need someone that can at least talk, right?
	Someone that can at least speak.
	And I'm not sure who that individual is going to be, but I think that decision has been made to have Biden set aside.
	And I think he'll do it himself in the end.
	I think he's going to just say that he's doing it for the party and he'll resign and somebody else will be put in his place.
	And I don't think it's going to be Kamala, by the way.
	Good, that's interesting.
	If there is, as you just said, a shadow government that ultimately controls America, why go to so much trouble to engage in potentially and allegedly electoral fraud or the jailing of Donald Trump through lawfare and various measures of persecution?
	If indeed there is, my personal My position also is that Donald Trump was a kind of berserker that sort of got in there and that it wasn't controlled in the way that they would prefer and that it's caused kind of chaos and so I get you there.
	But do you imagine which of the following scenarios is more likely?
	Dems put in someone that's more electable, Trump jailed, election deferred, election stolen.
	Which way do you see it going?
	Well, if they could jail Trump, they would do it.
	They've tried that.
	I think the point of what they were doing to Trump—I think I actually heard Andrew Tate say this recently—the point is the process, right?
	The process is what they're trying to make him so tired and so exhausted that he won't run.
	So they just kept it.
	Allegations did not stop from the moment he announced that he was running for president of the United States.
	Unfortunately, Trump is built different, and he's staying in the race, and they're probably just going, shaking their heads, going.
	Clearly, this man cannot be stopped via the traditional means.
	I believe that they likely have a plan in place.
	I'm nervous and this is me, I will admit, being conspiratorial here.
	I am nervous about who Trump picks as his VP because I think if it's someone that they view as establishment, like if it was like a Nikki Haley, then Trump would just magically drop dead of a heart attack and Nikki Haley would be the President of the United States.
	That's my fear.
	I have no doubt that they have plans in place in terms of the election because the COVID, they radically transformed our election process.
	It was an absolute nonsense.
	Everyone got sent a ballot.
	People that didn't even ask for ballots.
	There were weird drop-offs.
	They say it was totally above bar.
	Of course, it wasn't.
	Everybody knows that.
	Few people are willing to say it.
	And I'm obviously concerned about that, but I'm not as concerned as I was, I think, back in 2020 because, I don't know, I just, I know that God is in control, you know?
	God is in control.
	I feel the same way.
	And I want to know, given what you've said about shadow governments and the way that power operates, it seems less and less relevant the differences between someone that might have cultural pedigree or heritage on the left versus on the right.
	given as well that both of us have come to Christ in time since we last communicated, the
	affiliations or affinity with various cultural or political institutions seem less relevant when of course
	the priority becomes a relationship with Christ, the willingness to surrender,
	everything about yourself, the willingness to take on his burden, to carry his cross, to wear his yoke, all of these
	things now become a priority. But I still wonder, Candice, how
	given that this, in the last year in a way that we hadn't seen before, there are
	divisions emerging in the anti-establishment space and your story is a
	perhaps the most obvious example of that.
	There was this sort of, let's call it conservative or right-wing movement forming that had a sort of an advocacy expression through Turning Point and had a media presence, most notably through Daily Wire, I think we'd have to say.
	What does this the kind of these recent ramifications suggest and is it possible and is it desirable for us to create new forms of alliance in media as new and independent media increasingly becomes About political advocacy and indeed isn't that why it's being surveilled, censored, shut down, prominent voices being subject to smearing.
	I mean that's what we're kind of obviously experiencing, the legitimization of censorship through new categories like disinformation etc.
	Is there, what do you think the obligation is for us to try to find ways to work together and how possible is that?
	It's very possible, and we just do it.
	I mean, we obviously know who the media fears, the people that they attack the hardest.
	They absolutely detest you because you're not a controlled actor, as you once were, and you're talking about real issues.
	They absolutely detest Tucker Carlson.
	I mean, that's got to be public enemy number one, Freed Tucker.
	And me.
	I get it.
	I totally get it.
	I love it.
	We are so prepared for this.
	It's a wonderful thing to be persecuted because you're telling the truth.
	It is a wonderful thing.
	It's weird how wonderful I feel being persecuted every day by the media.
	It doesn't make any sense other than to know that that's what it means to come to Christ.
	And I think that we all do work together.
	I mean, that is why I'm like, you want to book me on your show?
	I'll do your show once a week.
	I'll do your show 10 times a week.
	And we have to do that.
	We have to network.
	We have to promote each other.
	Be willing to because their whole thing is cancel culture.
	Well, we're going to cancel her now.
	She's talking about topics that we don't care about.
	We're going to cancel Russell Brand.
	We're going to cancel Tucker.
	How dare he go out and talk about Putin?
	And the public is aware that there's a reason why we are so successful.
	There's a reason why our podcasts are so successful.
	People are still watching our show because they know they're being lied to by the establishment and they know that the voices that are willing to keep talking about these topics are the ones that they can trust.
	And so I think in the future, I think next year, I don't know.
	I just think a lot of us are going to come together.
	I think it's going to be like me, you, Tucker, some other independent voices, and we're just going to, we will be the new media and we'll be independent from one another, but somehow together.
	That is my vision for the future.
	Yeah.
	Hey, should we wrap up with a prayer then?
	Will you start?
	Let's do it.
	No, you have to pray.
	Heavenly Father, thank you for this time together with Candice.
	Please pray for Candice's ongoing success, for her ongoing journey walking with you.
	I pray for happiness for her and her husband and for our children.
	We ask, Lord, that we be able to put aside egotism, narcissism, hedonism, all of the temptations and obstacles placed before us by a culture that would prefer us dumb and distracted.
	Lord, move me closer to you.
	Lord, empty me of all that does not serve you and guide me, Heavenly Father.
	And thank you for this time with Candice.
	In Jesus' name, we pray.
	And the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
	What denomination are you?
	I don't have one yet.
	I'm denomination minister.
	I'm praying the rosary every day.
	I'm taking communion.
	I'm very interested in the catechism.
	I got baptized in the River Thames with Bear Grylls.
	What religion is that, Candice?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, nor do I. I mean, I'm very interested in Catholic, but I've not been confirmed.
	And if I was in a Catholic church, I wouldn't be able to take communion in there.
	But I'm really interested.
	I've been chatting to Robert Barron.
	I've been chatting a lot to Jeff Cave in.
	My mate Jonathan Rumi, who plays Our Lord and Saviour in The Chosen, is a convert himself.
	I know you went straight for the Catholicism there, but when I was sort of like... Also, can I tell you something?
	It's because... Because of the type of person I am, I still toy with the idea that I will at some point be ordained, and given that I'm married and have children, I cannot ever be Pope, Candice!
	This is...
	I don't know if Pope is in your cards, but there are some priests you should meet.
	I mean, you should go to the Brompton Oratory.
	Oh, yeah!
	You should go to the Prompton Oratory, yeah.
	There's some priests you should meet.
	Okay.
	They were so significant in my transformation, and I'm going back to London.
	I want to spend real time there because I was so sad to leave.
	We were there for a month, but I'm going back in December for an entire month again.
	I'm just going to spend a lot of time there because I really want to just be with the priests.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, well, let's see each other then.
	Candice, I don't have your number anymore.
	Can we sort that out?
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Who's in touch?
	Is it our producers?
	Sav?
	Yeah, I don't know who's talking.
	I'm going to send that.
	There's some priests you should meet down at the Brompton Oratory.
	They're amazing.
	I just love the priests.
	They're so cool.
	I never thought I would say that in my life.
	I just love the priests.
	They're so cool.
	My life has gone from wanting to meet celebrities in Hollywood to genuinely, I think the priests are Just the coolest people in the entire world.
	They've just been holding the candle, you know?
	Instead of turning up at Galliano shows with Kanye, you're going to be wandering around the Vatican with Bishop Emmanuel Mari, although he's Orthodox.
	Yeah, I'm not yet confirmed because I'm still in study.
	I'm going to do my confirmation in Italy.
	Wow.
	I'm taking this very seriously and I just don't want to make any mistakes and I realise I have this platform and it's very easy to make a mistake and I just want to do what's right.
	But the studying period in London, I mean, I would just jump at the opportunity to live there for a year.
	I guess I can.
	I am married to an Englishman.
	That's right.
	You are allowed.
	We can't keep you out.
	If we could, we would.
	It's so beautiful to see you.
	Let's connect on the phone and we'll carry on talking.
	Thanks Candace.
	Absolutely.
	I'll send my number right now through Savannah.
	Lots of love to you.
	Take care.
	Lots of love.
	See you my love.
	Bye bye now.
	Take care.
	Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.
	Let me know which aspects of it you're still struggling to comprehend and consume.
	And indeed, how an abiding faith in a power like this one can help us navigate the tumult and chaos that will likely arise in the coming months.
	See you tomorrow for a live show that we can undertake together.
	I'm looking forward to seeing you all.
	Guess what I've also met?
	I've met people from the Awakened Wonder community.
	I know who Synchronicity525 and NegligentBanana are now.
	I know their faces.
	Become an Awakened Wonder, you get additional content, incredible interviews, there'll be all sorts of stuff up from the RNC right now there.
	See you tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

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