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Hello there, you awakening wonders.
As you can see, I'm at the RNC, and one of my many highlights of this extraordinary carnival have been my conversations with other content creators, and among them, Benny Johnson, with his radiant face, has been perhaps The favourite one.
This is a brilliant conversation talking about faith and politics and what it's like to be someone who's from a full-on Republican background and how he feels about this iteration and expression of the Republican movement as well as, obviously, recent events around Donald Trump.
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Hello, welcome to the show.
Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
I'm here with Benny Johnson today.
Benny's so professional, he even knows he's got a single.
He's making eye contact with it right now.
It's lovely to see you.
It's so beautiful to see you.
I loved our conversation yesterday and I'm glad to hear that it did well on your pages.
Forgive the environment, we're in a live environment full of excitement.
Dan Bongino's just inches from my face.
It's quite intimidating when Dan Bongino's over there for a number of reasons.
Do you want me to list them?
Please, please.
Firstly, he's physically intimidating.
Yes.
Like, he's got that sort of... Yes.
Like, sort of... I don't want to use any words that are condemnatory, but he's got a lot of power in him, hasn't he, Dan Bongino?
Secondly, you get the sense that Dan Bongino can murder you whenever he wants to.
Like, it's a matter of choice for Dan Bongino.
And thirdly, his stream gets, like, so many views, so I'm all the time sort of thinking that I feel like I'm sort of rattling a tin cup, like, while he's, like, running a proper business, you know?
He looks like Central Casting.
Now, I've never starred in any Hollywood movies.
Uh-huh.
Unlike...
Our wonderful host here.
I think it's only a matter of time, Benny.
If they needed a Vin Diesel.
Yeah.
Vin Diesel is what, okay, so if you're looking for a Dan Bongino in real life, like the movie equivalent would be Vin Diesel.
Vin Diesel would be Dan Bongino's body double.
Yeah, for sure.
In Fast and Furious 12.
I noticed that you were quite fascinated that Jonathan Rumi, our Lord and Savior in the program The Chosen, was my body double in Ballers.
I can't believe it!
Because you just said that I could body double for Jesus in The Chosen, but he actually body doubled for me in Ballers.
I always assumed you'd be a majestic, luminescent presence in real life, but we had never met until about 24 hours ago.
And then as soon as I saw it, you had a cowboy hat on, so I didn't see the full Russell brand.
Now that I see the full Russell brand, I say, you should star in The Chosen, is what I said.
And I had no idea that the actual actor that plays Christ in The Chosen was your body double.
I did not know that.
Jonathan Rumi, I love him so much.
He's been on the show.
He's a fantastic person and I love him very much.
Now, this is one of the challenges I have made.
Like, you know, I'm at the Republican National Convention.
I'm not a person that's particularly associated with conservatism or republicanism.
I detest the neoliberal establishment.
Like years ago, I'd have been talking about the Gulf War.
I'd have been talking about Bush-Cheney, Wolfowitz, all that kind of stuff, all that corruption
that was deep entrenched within the Republican Party system.
Here we are now, though, within at the Republican National Convention, and I see that you are
wearing like that image.
Parental advisory.
This would be an album that I would have purchased when I was 18 and banged it really hard in my car to make my parents angry.
Have you always been a Republican and have you never considered, have you, like, because for me Republicanism was always affiliated with conservatism, authoritarianism, control.
Yes.
So, and I wonder if you have had that perspective, what your perspective is on it and whether and how you think the ascent of Trump has altered the Republican movement and what are the positives and negatives of that?
Yeah, the positives is that it's now officially a nationalist and populist party that puts America first, that does not want forever wars.
In fact, the Republican Party of today would be exactly what you would have cheered for two decades ago.
And Bush Cheney, in fact, Liz Cheney is a Democrat now.
So the Cheney family are Democrats.
They've always been Democrats.
Forever war is something that a globalist would want, right?
And there's a reason why the seven counties around Washington, D.C.
are the richest counties in America.
What exactly do they create?
What exactly do they produce?
They produce nothing but war.
They produce chaos and horrors and murdering across the globe on behalf of a global empire
that they view themselves as the authoritarians of.
And it's evil and it's wrong, and that is the only industry,
and it's a monopoly on violence that DC has, and it's despicable.
And we stand against that.
Donald Trump's the only person that stopped wars in my lifetime, certainly, as president,
and began ending wars, including but not limited to, going to a nation that we were at war with.
So we're currently at war with North Korea.
We never, there was never a cessation.
We're in a, I didn't even actually know that.
So the Korean War was never solved, right?
There was never a peace treaty.
America's technically at war with North Korea right now, and so Donald Trump goes walking- Are you winning?
Into- I think no one's winning.
No one wins.
We did win.
I think everyone won when Donald Trump stepped into North Korea, invited by the leader that we're technically at war with, and he claps him on the back and they hug his bros on the DMZ.
And that is a beautiful moment.
That's an incredible human moment that we could all celebrate.
And what does centralized establishment Washington, D.C.
do to the man who brought peace in my lifetime to America?
They try and kill him.
I mean, they just tried to kill him.
They've tried to assassinate him in every way, Russell, but they can't.
And you're saying that you consider that to be a manoeuvre that's ultimately emanated from the Democrat Party.
Honestly, wow, man.
I mean, it doesn't work because of all the anomalies and extraordinary aspects of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, they need their industry to continue.
They need their monopoly to continue.
And if you stop wars, And if you begin to restrain power and say, America first, let's spend our treasure here in America instead of spoiling our treasure in some desert somewhere.
What's our greatest treasure?
Our men and women.
But also $35 trillion in debt.
I'm not exactly sure how that's sustainable.
Doesn't seem sustainable.
No.
And also the emergence of this sort of BRICS financial alliance would further perhaps expedite the de-dollarization of the globe and prohibit, limit and diminish American power, meaning that the military power that America wields will soon be its only really Facility for power.
Do you think that's why the Forever Wars is?
And also I wanted to ask you, this is a bit more of a basic question, how come the Democrat Party, if as you say they're the party of warmongering and death, have PR'd themselves into, we exist to primarily help the vulnerable?
That's how they're pitching it, isn't it?
How have they pulled that off?
How can you do that?
I'm not sure.
Joe Biden started at least three wars, or overseen them.
Which ones?
The Ukraine war.
Yep.
Right?
Bad.
So the war in Gaza.
Yes, bad.
So he's accelerated that, obviously, and not called for a cessation there.
And right now China is encircling Taiwan.
And there are people that are dying in the Taiwan Straits.
There are people that are being captured.
So it's the accelerant right there in that region also is happening.
And this is all happening.
There's also multiple wars going on in Africa right now, and we don't tend to care as much
about those.
But nonetheless, he hasn't brought peace.
He's brought war.
And I guess if you look at...
If you look at the actual moral value of a leader, ask yourself that question, especially if you call yourself a Christian.
Are you bringing peace or are you bringing war?
Are you bringing death and suffering upon innocent children or are you bringing war?
One of the biggest problems that liberals have is they love their Lord and Savior, Barack Obama, yet Barack Obama famously drone-struck an American citizen, a young teenager named Anwar al-Awlaki, without a trial and killed that poor American teenager in Yemen.
And he signed off on that order.
And so you have to ask yourself the question, which is the party of peace and love and kindness towards humanity?
And which is the party of war and death and destruction?
Well, what's interesting is in all likelihood there's going to be a Republican victory in November.
And I wonder if this rhetoric will be able to be sustained once the Republicans are in power and if they will govern.
Peacefully, presumably.
Also, with isolated incidents like that, which are obviously appalling and disgusting, as are the deaths of non-American citizens as a result of drone strikes, all of them, I want to save Benny, mate.
I watched this PBS Documentary on Obama prior to Obama.
I think it was probably he might have been a senator like it was like I guess it's 20 years old.
It's like there's this guy Barack Obama, and it's all sort of like and what's really interesting about the Documentary is that you see in this story, which is not the kind of polished propaganda that we are accustomed to in 2024 a kind of a person that is indeed a Filled with hope and potential, a person with an extraordinarily unique background.
And while watching it, certainly when you watch it, like you sort of see Michelle Obama, ambitious Chicago lawyer, you sort of think that there's so much that's positive about this young couple.
Do you think that there's something that happens to people, and I was just talking to Marjorie Taylor Greene about this, who I think is just a delight, I've got to tell you.
That woman is raw.
I like it, man.
Fireball.
Yeah, she makes me laugh because she talks for a while all demure, and then she goes, fucking bullshit!
I'm from England!
Anyway, do you think that something happens to people?
Do you think that, in the same way as I could say within Hollywood, the raw material is people with Talent or abilities or aspects of their nature that could become commodities.
You perhaps are beautiful or you're funny or you're clever.
Do you think politics, people like Barack Obama might come in that are actually just rather lovely, idealistic, great orators and communicators, they get sucked into this system and intoxicated, not only with power, but some sort of system of corruption that sort of, in a sense, I don't know, taints, metastasizes the sort of commodity or quality of genuine people with ideals into something A little more repugnant.
Yeah, so I call it the ghost in the machine paradox.
So the ghost in the machine is the creature that actually runs the machine and it tries as hard as it can to be invisible.
But the ghost in our machine as the American public is the permanent entrenched parasitic class inside of Washington DC that remains there forever and is not Able to be put into check by you, or me, or any voter, or any person that may want to donate to a cause.
They are there permanently.
They are protected by law, they are protected by unions, they are protected by public sector unions, which should be illegal, and they cannot be removed.
They are the barnacles on the bottom of the ship, or have you ever seen a Nature Channel show with those majestic, beautiful, large fish, and there's always these suckers on the bottom of them?
There's always these parasite fish on the bottom that remain attached to the Big beautiful whale or shark that is through the ocean that's our political class and they suck and they drain and they destroy and when someone like Barack Obama and it's you know it's really interesting because you know there's so many people that could be enraptured by Barack Obama's initial rhetoric who can't hear this beautiful United States of America and he said in Colorado with all those
Beautiful columns.
You probably know the people who built them.
They were built by Hollywood.
He said, there's no red America, there's no blue America, there's just the United States of America.
And even someone like me, who was forced to choke down John McCain in that election, based on the fact that I was the college Republican.
Chair of my state.
You've always been into this.
I've been.
I've come from a political family, yeah.
Do you?
Oh yeah, my parents were political activists, yeah.
Yeah, because you were... So you get baptized into it.
I'm also from Iowa.
There's nothing else to do in Iowa.
Just be a Republican activist.
Pigs, corn, and politics.
Pigs, corn, Republican activism.
Politics, that's right.
Type 2 diabetes.
Yeah.
And so, Barack Obama says rhetoric like that, and it's like, man, how can you disagree with that?
You can't.
That's beautiful, actually.
Yeah.
Whoever wrote that.
But then the difference between that and President Trump, who also has some very wonderful rhetoric about the nature and fabric of this nation, is that Trump follows through on that.
Barack Obama got to D.C.
and immediately was metastasized by the parasite class, and those sucker fish The fish in the inside of your tank with the big mouths.
Who says with these fish?
Every time you bring them up, you got a bit mad.
I'm so angry.
Benny, stop it.
They're parasites.
They're not real.
They're terrible.
You've been bit by a leech, they're awful!
They're bastards.
They're parasites, and they took him over.
And they took him over and he became a tool, an instrument of establishment DC, and it cannot be stated enough, and I'm a very simple man, I think I have a room temperature IQ, but even I can understand that there's a single- Why is Washington so rich?
Right there on the map, it's a swamp, it's a literal swamp, there's no geographic There's no reason to have any industry there.
There's no natural resources.
It's a filthy, disgusting place.
It's rat-infested.
Why is it so rich?
Why?
Because there's one industry, and that is forever war, and the printing press that creates the forever war.
And Barack Obama was utterly encaptured by those people and their psychological warfare.
And as soon as he was losing in 2012, they told him, You know what, that whole red state, blue state bullshit you were talking about?
No.
It's better to just say there's white America and there's black America, and Trayvon Martin would have been my son, and the only way you're gonna win is actually to start pitting these people against each other.
And instead of running on unifying the nation, you're going to run on tearing the nation apart.
And right now, we are living in the afterbirth of Barack Obama making that decision, which was centrally organized by the establishment powers in D.C., to tear our nation apart.
And we're living in that right now.
Good.
I mean, you're very passionate about this, as well as the sucker fish, the sucker fish, and that kind of crap.
Madison will be- He knows.
You'll be on, surely, won't you, mate?
Hold up, I've got a few questions to ask you, Benny.
These are them.
Madison knows DC Parasites better than almost any man alive, I bet.
I'm very aware of some of the parasitical sucking activity that's been described by Madison.
He has described some of the parasitical sucking in- We're not even talking about the Clinton presidency!
Can I just say, hold on mate, I've got a couple of questions, here they are.
Obviously, like many people, I was disillusioned with Barack Obama because of the 2008 quantitative easing gear, when he backed financial industry instead of ordinary American people, and that of course had ramifications the whole way around the globe.
But given that you're a lifelong Republican, and I'm asking you this in like a legitimate way, you understand that about me?
Of course.
Like I'm trying to learn in a...
If you're like a lifelong Republican, what do you think about all that Iraq war and the very, like, when it was pretty plain that the Republicans were in the business of war, how do you calibrate that with your partisanship and your sort of current... Of course.
There's only one honest way that any honest man should do that, which is to denounce George W. Bush.
Denounce him.
I denounce him.
And I denounce that policy.
The neocon policy is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Republican Party, and through an exorcism, a literal exorcism, we have killed it.
In fact, this convention is where neoconism has died, has gone to die.
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So, look at who hasn't been invited to this convention.
Look who isn't speaking.
There's no Bush on stage.
There's no Cheney on stage.
There's no Paul Ryan on stage.
We don't have a single member of that era that has been invited to speak at our convention.
It's over.
It's done.
It's a purge.
It's done.
Yes, and in fact, the man who's been chosen to be the vice president Is a man who saw the terrorist attacks on September 11th, signed up for the Marines, went to fight in that sandbox.
No way!
That's J.D.
Vance.
Oh my god.
And that man has come back to be the number one proponent of anti-war.
I love him.
Because, as you've probably found yourself perhaps in the UK as well, which is a nation with many veterans, the people who hate war the most are the ones who see it up close.
Of course.
And the ones who served.
May I ask this then, Benny, if there's some purge and transformation taking place because as you have described there are various movements that are secondary, ulterior, and you've used the phrase phantom to describe the bureaucratic class that remain in power regardless of any party change.
It seems that what you're describing are movements, ulterior movements, that pass through parties and capture them for a while, and the neocon movement was one such.
But I have felt at this Republican National Convention, as well as the kind of almost celebratory, resurrectionist euphoria, Around Trump, which is understandable given recent events.
It still, for me, has the shellac that I sense around most political movements and institutions.
This reverence and near-worship of power.
You know that these people are in ascendancy, this individual is in decline.
That power is hardly a novel observation to remark upon the corrupting quality of power.
Do you feel that this is a Republican Party movement that can deliver on any Christian's priority beyond personal salvation in a relationship with our Lord and Saviour?
Serve the poor, love the poor, protect the vulnerable.
The very rhetoric, in fact, which you would say the Democrat Party masks its warmongering.
Yes.
Do you envisage that the Republican Party will serve that agenda and those ideals?
The Democrat Party says that while they send the poor to their deaths by the hundreds of thousands in Ukraine and in Gaza.
They say that.
You know, who dies in war?
Poor people.
And they have advocated and agitated those wars, so let's begin there.
I mean, that seems to be a theme of our conversation.
Yeah, alright.
But then let's pivot also to what real power is.
And I hate to paraphrase Schindler's List of all things, but there's a line in there where it's like, you know, the Nazi's about to shoot someone.
Uh, he's advised that real power is actually not taking the shot.
Yeah.
Real power is giving life.
Yeah.
And real power is, like, allowing for people to- to- to live and to- to step away from power.
In fact, our first president- our first president, named George Washington- I remember him, yep.
That everybody wanted to be a king.
Got the tree on the money.
They all said- they all said, make him a king, right?
And he stepped away after two terms, and that became then a tradition in America.
That's where it comes from.
He steps away after two terms and he does this declaration in his final speech.
He says, don't get entangled.
Do not waste this country's treasure in foreign entanglements.
He said the last thing he did was warn against foreign wars.
George Washington.
And so you have to ask, he says, the promise of this nation is to let people live their lives freely and go about the peaceful freedom of living a good Christian life.
And he said that.
And what that comes from is this nation was founded by Christians.
Some of them came from England.
They came from all over Europe.
Christians that were persecuted by their governments.
Right?
So Christians were persecuted by their governments.
They leave for the free world to go practice whatever brand of Christianity they wish to practice here.
That's why this nation is called a Christian nation.
It's why God's on our money.
It's why we have that tradition.
But most importantly, I believe that the best way to be a Christian and a believer is actually to leave people alone.
In fact, evil truly comes at the boot heel of a tyrant on your neck.
Telling you to live a certain way, to take a certain injection, to allow your kids to do unspeakable things to their bodies.
That is actually anti-Christian, right?
Is putting that sort of force on people.
I believe that Christ intended freedom for us.
Christ intended us to live free.
I know that is certainly the brand of this show.
And the best thing that you could do as a Republican party is to go back to those roots, where it's like, no, actually, we're going to decentralize power.
The most wonderful and Christian thing we can do is to destroy or to eradicate that ghost in the machine and to rid ourselves of these shackles.
And Christ does not want us to live as slaves.
He wants us to live as frees, the greatest liberator.
And that's why people are calling People say what they say about Abraham Lincoln and why people are calling Donald Trump and modern-day labor and Abraham Lincoln because we want no more shackles.
You think that the condemnation and attacks on Donald Trump are entirely insubstantiated, entirely malevolent, entirely baseless and the characterization him as a kind of vulgar and let's face it in the circles in which he is loathed.
They regard him as a Luciferian and dark figure.
They wish for his death.
That's what's happening right now.
Everybody wishes the shooter had done its job.
Yeah, so, you know, I've obviously seen and heard some of that kind of commentary.
What I wonder is, is where you believe those ideals, the Christian ideals that you just described, where the potential for them to play out in bureaucracies or systems of government is a real one, Benin, and where you think that secularism is correct.
Because my fear is, is that what's happened, the emergence of the authoritarianism that's based on
compassion is ultimately undergirded by a kind of godlessness
that's not entirely nihilistic, but is entirely rationalistic.
It has placed man at the apex of creation.
It has placed humankind at the human mind, at the human purview,
which can be voided of all ideals derived from the sublime, affording the potential for new agenda to emerge.
Oh, this is what nature is.
This is what we can create.
Oddly though, archetypes of the apocalypse and saints do still yet emerge somehow.
This particular saint of the earth, a kind of a Gaia deity, will emerge.
The idea of the apocalypse finds its way back in.
They have their own peculiar pantheon of the demonic.
I'm fascinated by it and I condemn it.
It is a revolting system of ideology.
It's disgusting.
Like you said, I cast it out.
I disavow it.
You can find a photo of me from 20 years ago in a John McCain shirt.
It's so embarrassing.
And I'm so humiliated by it.
And it's embarrassing, actually.
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In the wake of the assassination attempt and the events that have emerged from the RNC
conference itself, the loss of life that day, the incredible decay and depletion of trust
that's happened subsequently, the inquiry, the questions, the endless questions about
what went on that day, you would think there would be a re-evaluation of the kind of rhetoric
that potentially contributed to the conditions that may be led.
the shooter to take that decision unless you think there are more sinister reasons and of course that's something we're
investigating and we're inquiring of perhaps on a daily basis
I want to know what you guys think about free speech And of course if you do believe in free speech, it means
that people should be free to say inappropriate stuff But what does it reveal?
Because I've said a lot of inappropriate things in the past.
Usually I've been trying to be funny, I guess, and many times I've missed the mark.
Let's have a look at some of the things that have been said in recent days and let's work out together what it means about the legacy media's ongoing position on this matter.
He has said many, many times, after having been questioned many times about this, that he's not stepping down and he's going to be the nominee.
So, at some point, Democrats have to decide that they want to try to win this election and turn their fire on Donald Trump.
I think there is... I shouldn't have said turn their fire.
I apologize.
That was not the phrase that I meant.
They need to turn their focus on Donald Trump.
It's amazing, because I think we've all made, like, Freudian slips, haven't we?
Sometimes you sort of say something because you think you shouldn't.
It's the equivalent of, like, coughing in church or something.
But even the other CNN anchors are like, oh, I don't think we can do this anymore, can we?
We can't just casually compare him to Hitler and sort of subtly and insidiously suggest that it would be OK if he was killed because he's so demonic.
That's one of the things that I found really fascinating, and I think it may have been Vivek Ramaswamy, actually, who said it in the show.
Yeah, you should watch that interview.
It's really good, the one that we had.
That if Donald Trump is indeed Hitler and evil incarnate, then actually, it's probably okay, isn't it, to shoot him?
I mean, we've all had that conversation about, would you kill young Hitler?
Personally, I'd say no, because he was quite cute when he was young.
Actually, if you see him, it'd be very difficult to explain to his mum what you were doing.
Also, look, honestly, you'll thank me for this.
I'm sorry, but there'll be no proof.
Ah!
But now this is a new environment and we're seeing the permutations and we're seeing the kind of conflict and despair, I'm talking in legacy media quarters, that this event has caused.
The old game is done.
If you believe that Trump is a demon, an antichrist figure, then you can say whatever is necessary to prevent his ascent.
But once you can no longer say that, because that's the kind of incendiary language that leads to violence, then what have you got left?
And that's all they've had for so long.
They weren't ever able to say, look, We really care about ordinary Americans and these are the policies.
These are the way we're going to stand up to big corporations.
These are the way that we're going to end wars.
These are the way we're going to represent the interests of ordinary Americans against, God, heaven forbid, the state and bureaucracy, but also corporate and globalist interests.
Because that's over, that's off the table, we don't represent, they don't represent ordinary Americans anymore.
All they have left is hysterically banging the drum of, he's worse, he's terrible.
This has been evident to me from the 2016 time.
That's part of my personal abandonment of that Hollywood liberal elite class, is because, hold on, what are you offering?
What exactly is it that you're selling?
But, of course, people will continue to make jibes and remarks, and actually, in a free speech nation, in a free speech world, you've got to allow it, haven't you?
Let me know what you think.
So as you can see Tenacious D cancelled their tour as a result of that, understandably because
But I was very interested that Tim Pool said this about it.
That if we actually believe in free speech, if someone apologises for saying something insensitive, they should be forgiven.
And I actually agree with that point.
But we do have to recognize that it hasn't just been offhand glib remarks.
It's been a sort of an ongoing campaign.
And of course, no one can know for certain how that has contributed to these conditions
or what was going on in the mind of that extraordinary young man
who doesn't have a phone or a social media input.
I mean, there's so many questions beyond what his motives were,
other than it's pretty obvious if someone shoots someone that their motive is to kill them.
Although I don't know why they would want to...
There's so much to discuss.
But this compilation of people within media saying that Donald Trump is like Hitler, Donald Trump is a fascist, is so sort of immersive and ongoing.
It's like, you know, why did we ban tobacco advertising?
Well, because if you keep sort of making smoking seem good and sexy and cool, people smoke and it kills them.
Right, so people do respond to media messaging then.
How do you imagine people would respond to this media messaging?
Of course it's Trump is a Nazi time again.
Let's deal with Hitler, okay?
I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that.
I mean, that is Mussolini-Hitler like language.
Trump's affinity for Hitler was always covered under an umbrella of his stupidity.
Echoing Hitler's words, Listen to this.
Well Hitler was duly elected.
Echoing the hateful rhetoric of Adolf Hitler.
It echoes Hitler.
That's the kind of language Hitler used in Mein Kampf.
About vermin and Hitler and Mussolini.
That's a horrifying clip.
That's a fascist clip.
Just going full on Hitler.
From Hitler's Germany.
We just need to say for the record that the term vermin was really effectively used by Adolf Hitler.
Echo dictators like Hitler.
With language evoking authoritarian figures like Adolf Hitler.
Adolf Hitler.
Donald Trump parroted the autocratic language of Adolf Hitler.
Talk about the brilliance of Hitler's generals.
Correct.
One of the things that I've been continually reflecting on here at an obviously partisan event, what could be more partisan than the convention of one of the parties, is is there a possibility for unity now?
Will this bring about change?
Is Donald Trump the type of leader that will enter into government in good faith?
Or will we see more conflict, more conflagration, more doubt?
I pray that this might be a seismic moment.
I certainly haven't changed my opinion on whether or not this kind of government will actually meaningfully change the lives of many people because there are Too many deep state institutions, too many globalist interests, and these are the things I'm discussing at the RNC.
Certainly, though, one thing that will change is the hysterical rhetoric.
Although, actually, not all of that has changed, has it?
What lessons do we need, Lord, in order for us to be saved?
Who knows?
Anyway, I'm still at the RNC.
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Now, here's the fucking news!
Given that there's sort of like one of the crucial tenet of a crucial tenet of Christianity
is that there is only one Lord and Savior and it's certainly not any of us as individuals.
What it seems that in the kind of euphoria surrounding a recent events,
there is an attempt to kind of allow that divine light to fully anoint...
Donald Trump.
Do you consider there to be any risks in that?
Because he has already been president for four years, and I really appreciate your point that he did not start any wars.
I think that's a really valuable and incredible point.
But from the outside, it was not a seismic and apocal shift in American governance.
You know, in one minute it's Obama, then it's Biden, then it's da-da-da.
It seems like the institutions themselves, as you said, because of the barnacles and those suckerfish that you hate, or you hate them.
I don't know what they're called!
Parasitic little bastards.
They are, they really are.
They don't permit any real change.
So firstly, do you think that there's a danger of overloading this sort of Christian idea when it comes to the ascent of Trump?
Secondly, do you think he is, in government, going to make the kind of difference that you clearly yearn for?
Yes.
And do you think there's any... That's it.
That's two questions.
So I've already talked about my IQ, and I don't believe it's particular.
I know for a fact it's not particularly high.
But I do know that I do have a superpower, and that superpower is I'm alive.
And I'm able to notice things, right?
Pattern recognition.
And I think that's really helpful as a Christian, as you read through the Bible and you're able to recognize how God treats leaders.
And so you must ask yourself first, the most important and profound question.
And if I were to put in a litmus test, it's going to get me in big trouble, but I don't even care.
I don't give a damn.
I've already been canceled a million times.
So it's, you know, bring it on.
If I'm going to put in a litmus test to people who are wishing to serve and lead this nation, Which is been designed as a nation set fit for moral people and I fit for moral people and moral people only I would say do you are you God or is God God?
If I were to ask a single question of every politician in the country.
Are you a deity or is God in charge?
Are you in charge or is God in charge?
I think that would be the most, I think that's the best, I think that's the most important question anyone can ever ask.
And the answer to that question, I think, shockingly and horrifyingly for many people, if they were answering honestly, if they had the truth serum pumped into their veins, they'd say, no, I think I'm God because they behave like that.
They behave, Joe Biden behaves with a reckless abandon as though there will, as though everything he believes in his faith is not true.
You know, he just said that Jesus won't be returning.
He just said that in an interview.
He just said Christ won't return.
He said this on an interview.
He said Christ will not be returning.
I'm looking at my team because they were watching it with me live.
Joe Biden said only Jesus can stop me from running for president and Jesus isn't coming back.
Joe Biden said that live on ABC.
Heresy!
Which is a strange thing to say, right?
If you actually believed Christianity.
But you also see, and here's the final answer to your question, is there is an absolute danger in seeing in the messianic iconography of putting Trump on like, well, this is just a thug life.
This is just thug life.
Pure thug, right?
This is the heater of the summer.
But there is a...
There's a problem, and when you wanna see what's really close to my heart, if you wanna see what's actually close to my heart, would be right here, would be our saints and my children on the back.
So my saints and our children sit next to my heart every single day, whereas this shirt will be cycled out next week.
But there is absolutely a problem, and I say this on our show, and we say this every day, every man on earth will let you down, including me and Donald Trump, and every person, every political party will let you down, And actually their job is to let you down and embarrass you and humiliate you and force you to disavow what you did as a child.
Yeah.
And so do not put your faith in that.
Put your faith in the almighty, the divine, and put your faith in something that is preexisted to all of them.
God does in the nature.
How does God treat leaders?
God does bring forth leaders.
God does cast down bad leaders.
Nebuchadnezzar was forced to live like an animal.
Nebuchadnezzar was forced to go out into the fields and eat and shit like an animal and eat grass because God was displeased with him.
And so God humbles and brings leaders low.
Does Nebuchadnezzar learn his lesson from that?
He gets brought back as the king.
So we'll see, right?
So the prophets, and you described this on my program the other day, you said there was a prophet that said that Donald Trump will go through a redemption and a baptism after getting his ear blown off.
And you mentioned that.
I assume you were talking about the man who sort of prophesied that this would happen to Trump.
Very strange video, right?
Yeah, it's weird.
What's going on?
As a simple Christian, you just have to sit back and go, well, prophets exist, and God's calling exists on people, and perhaps this is God's calling.
I guess we'll see, right?
Perhaps we'll see.
But always step back and say, Trump is not God, Trump is not a messiah, like God is God, and Christ is the messiah, and everyone else is a vessel, right, to be used by them, including you and me and everyone.
It's a relief, isn't it, to be in that position?
It seems to me that you've had a kind of longevity of belief, just on the basis of describing that you've been like a Republican activist, you were born into that kind of family and all that kind of stuff.
But with the Christianity, Benny, has that been similarly consistent, or have there been points where you have felt abandoned and alone?
Oh Russell, I wouldn't have called myself a Christian.
Not like through college.
I was raised in a Christian tradition, but I fell completely away from the faith and lived a pretty embarrassing and humiliating hedonistic lifestyle.
What made me a Christian was my children.
I watched the veil of heaven pull back, and an angel was delivered into my arms from Christ himself, and I held my firstborn child in my hands, and tears ran down my face.
I'm not a crier.
I'm a very emotional man, but I do not cry.
I was inconsolable on the hospital floor on my knees holding my firstborn child.
Who's your first?
What's that?
My firstborn child's name is Eloise.
And she's just turned four this week.
Saturday.
What's the date of that?
July 13th, the day Trump was shot.
No way!
So it was his birthday?
So I guess I've witnessed two miracles on July 13th.
Because I believe that what we witnessed was a miracle.
I think it was actually the largest miracle ever seen by mankind based on technology, right?
Nonetheless, I've witnessed two miracles on July 13th.
The first was my daughter being born, and once you hold an angel in your arms, delivered to you by the Almighty, you are profoundly changed, forever, as a man, and you understand God's relationship with you.
And I understand how helpless I am, and how Purposeless my life would be, and how dead I would actually be without God, without that presence.
And fatherhood is God showing you a small token of what His relationship is with you as the almighty and all-powerful, and how we are like children to Him, and that's why we're called God's children.
Pretty beautiful the way you talk about Eloise.
Who are the other two?
Yeah, so Juliet is my second born and then Theodore is my young son.
What are their ages?
Yeah, so eight months old for Theodore and two for Juliet.
And Theodore just waved at me on FaceTime before going on your show.
First wave!
First wave!
How, um, where do you live normally?
I live in Tampa.
When you're away from them, like, you know, like, you look, you're a father like me, and you can, you can chat... But you know this!
You know this!
Yeah, of course I do.
Yeah, I remember that.
You have three children.
Yeah, I had the same moment with my, you know, I remember the, obviously, remember the birth of my little Mabel, going through that same thing, and all of the subsequent births in their own way, a kind of rendering of miracle in nature, the miraculous and the natural.
I wonder what those boundaries are between the natural and the supernatural, and I wonder how difficult it is with man in our hubris to not acknowledge that in God all things are possible, and the degree of magnificence and glory that we experience there.
Might yet be felt in myriad unknown ways that we foreclose, that we foreclose our minds against miracles, this sort of abundant, endless, molecular requiem unfolding about us endlessly, even now.
We've, in a sense, closed down the beauty and the glory.
We can't take the beauty.
We can't take the beauty.
May I ask, I know this is your show, but may I ask you a question?
Yeah.
Because I love this question to fathers, especially, how old is your oldest?
Mabel is seven.
Young father.
You're a young father.
Right.
You're a young father.
Your children are under the age of 18.
You're a young father.
Right.
Your experience when you held your firstborn child.
I can sort of feel it and see it.
I can feel it and see it.
Maybe forever you'll be able to feel it.
Yeah, because I remember the things, the catharsis like leading up to it as well, like the sort of excitement.
I can remember the moment that my wife done a pee test and that she was pregnant.
I remember the moment I was out running in a field where I live in rural Britain and Like, you know, someone driving out, Laura's going into labour!
And, like, us driving, I wanted to have the baby at home, but that's not a choice that I was... Laura wanted to have it at this maternity thing, uh, maternity unit.
So we went, like, uh, for women, like a midwife led.
It was amazing, and, like, the baby sort of retracted, and all of the... and I noticed how I was confronted with narcissism, individualism, egotism, sort of in this little journey up to it.
And then the sort of extra Extraordinary transformation.
The kind of language, the euphoria, the astonishment of it.
Like, fucking hell!
This is actually something that you know every single... Nothing could be more Mundial.
Nothing could be more ordinary.
Nothing could be... Every single person, one way or another, via this miracle.
So staggering and astonishing and each subsequent occasion I mean I've told you when I was on your show mate about my little boy that was sort of kind of different because we had to they had to be medical conditions and stuff and we weren't sure what was gonna happen and I wanted to protect him so much I wanted to protect him in the moment because we didn't know that he might be born unconscious he might be born dead he might immediately require you know all of that stuff Oh, man.
Yeah, it's good.
It pushes you right into the Lord.
It pushes you right in.
And thinking about it now, I suppose these transitions, firstly, coming out, you know, you talked to yourself about a little bit of hedonism, coming away from drugs and alcohol, moving into family and fatherhood, then moving into a life with Christ.
These are significant and transformative events, aren't they?
But ultimately, I suppose, as you retrace it, you sense the golden threads of his presence in each of these moments of transition and transformation.
Is that true of yourself?
Do you think when you look back, mate, like, oh yeah, there he was, there he was, as someone who's temporarily turned from Christ into what sounds like a pretty appalling life of hedonism in support of John McCain?
That's right!
Of all the things I did, John McCain's support is the one I ask the most forgiveness of.
The John McCain and the George W. Bush support is the one I get down on my knees and I pray.
Repent!
Please?
Repent!
Oh, man.
Yeah, okay, so Russell, it's, you know, the reason why those moments are so profound is because God reserves very few things just for, unto himself.
And, and life and death, life and death are those things.
And that's why, that's why I believe that those moments are so profound because you, you experience life.
You experience the miracle of life.
And for the first time in my, for the first time, I was part of that experience.
I was a contributor to life and I was able to hold it in my arms.
And I was able to see that it is a miracle.
Every father knows this.
The most hardened heart and the most hardened atheist will hold their newborn child and say, nope, there's actually, there's a divine, there's God out there.
Because there is no other explanation for the creation of life.
And then I hold that child in my arm and I think about what type of evil must exist to order that child off to go to some pointless war and go die in some sandbox somewhere so that somebody's Raytheon portfolio can go up a point, right?
I mean, that's true evil.
And if you want to look at like where my actual transition goes from being able to stand on your show and look straight down the barrel of the camera and say, I disavow George W. Bush and I disavow neoconservatism and I disavow and I'm glad that no one with the last name Cheney will ever be allowed in another Republican convention in my lifetime.
I'll go pick it, if they are.
The reason why I can say that is because I now truly understand what it means to be pro-life, having become a father.
Beautiful.
Benny, we've got to wrap up because we've got another show coming on.
Luke over there is doing his show.
I can only assume Madison's here for some foul, depraved purpose.
I've seen you, sir, and I've heard your memoirs.
What are you up to?
I'm missing you guys.
Good.
I'm glad you came.
To this event.
And Benny, thank you so much for that beautiful conversation.
Thank you for being so illuminating.
You're a beautiful man.
Let's spend more time together and become mates with each other.
You're a beautiful man.
Forgetting Sarah Marshall is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Don't reduce it to that!
I thought he was going to talk about the Christianity in the film.
I'm sorry, I just had to.
I like the bit on the chessboard where you were pretending to fuck a bishop.
Madison, I'm getting the stage ready for you, baby!
Just moving straight lines, huh?
Perfect sign-off!
Well, then I'm a knight!
Always round the U-bend!
That was the perfect sign-off!
Thanks, Benny.
Cheers, Benny.
Oh, man, that's great.
That is great.
Thank you.
I hope you enjoyed that conversation and our coverage at the RNC.
What an extraordinary time it's been.
I didn't imagine that I'd be talking to Nigel Farage, Dan Bongino.
You should see some of the text messages I'm exchanging with people.
It's crazy.
We'll be back next week on Monday for my conversation with Candice Owens, which also is pretty astonishing and staggering and covers a wide variety of subjects that I can't even believe that... I still don't believe the things that woman is willing to talk about publicly.
You're gonna love it.
I'll see you then.
Stay tuned, see you on Monday, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
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