The Stone Zone dissects Roger Stone’s legal battles—dismissing Bloomberg’s defamation claims about Scott Besson while accusing NY AG Letitia James of mortgage fraud—and mourns Charlie Kirk’s assassination, questioning official narratives. Cliff Maloney unveils the Pennsylvania Chase’s expansion into New Jersey, deploying 500,000 door knockers to flip the state for Jack Ciattarelli, mirroring Trump’s 2024 playbook. With $175 funding a full outreach day, the grassroots push frames the fight as a last stand against "Marxist" policies, leveraging youthful volunteers (avg. age 22) to counter Democratic ground games. [Automatically generated summary]
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And I'll say this, Santor Roger.
He's no baby.
And right now, he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
Besson's Mortgage Controversy00:08:26
Now, as they treated him very unfairly.
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We begin today's show on a sad note.
Boone Cutler, combat veteran, warrior, patriot, and most importantly, veterans advocate, someone who spoke and advocated for those veterans suffering from PTSD, suicide, and of course, dealing with the suicide crisis among veterans, has sadly passed away this morning.
He was in the Stone Zone a number of times, author, columnist, music video director, but most importantly, a patriot and true friend.
It is with great sadness that I note the passing of my good friend, Boone Cutler.
May he rest in peace.
But in the news, Bloomberg News has smeared the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besson, with a baseless story that tries to equate the mortgages he holds on two homes with the mortgage fraud that I believe both New York Attorney General Letitia James and Federal Reserve Board member Dr. Lisa Crook, I mean Cook, engaged in.
Treasury Secretary Scott Besson's 2007 mortgages for homes in upstate New York and Massachusetts were issued under a customized private banking facility that identified the properties as secondary residence and did not price the loans on owner occupancy, according to documents that I myself have now reviewed.
The materials that I saw completely undercut comparisons to the Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook's mortgage controversy that were highlighted in a report by Bloomberg News.
The documents describe a $21 million financing package arranged by Bank of America for Besson when he was a hedge fund manager.
In a letter, a Bank of America managing director said the lender, quote, understood and agreed that the Bedford, New York, and Providentown, Massachusetts properties were secondary residences, noting the bank, and were well aware that his primary residence was in New York City, according to mortgage documents that I myself have now reviewed.
An attorney who executed the mortgages on Secretary Besson's behalf wrote that the bank was, quote, fully aware that the Provincetown, Massachusetts property was not a principal residence and waived any requirement that it be used as a principal resident, adding that there was absolutely nothing improper about Mr. Besson's loan applications with which he was minimally involved as he had delegated the authority to his attorney.
The allegations in this fake news report by Bloomberg are entirely inaccurate.
This is a pathetic attempt to portray misrepresentations where there are none.
The White House put out a statement saying they had full faith and confidence in Secretary Besson almost immediately after the Bloomberg report.
The loans were retained on Bank of America's books rather than sold to investors or to government-sponsored enterprises, according to information from the bank.
The bank also said that the interest rate does not vary based on utilization as a primary versus secondary residence, a feature that can remove a typical incentive to misstate occupancy on conventional mortgages, exactly what Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, has been caught doing regarding a property in Virginia.
Nearly 20 years ago, Mr. Besson's lawyers filled out all the property paperwork properly, and the bank has confirmed that it was done properly.
And this nonsensical Bloomberg article reaches the conclusion that it was all done properly.
Alex Spiro, who was Scott Besson's personal attorney, said in a statement to the Hail, attestations of owner occupancy and principal residency are standard in these kind of mortgage filings.
They can be waived for second homes by letter agreement between the bank and the homeowner.
Application materials list Besson's primary residence as one Sutton Place South, which is a matter of public record consistent with the bank's letter, while credit facility documents referred to as Place in Bedford Hills, New York, and is Place in Provincetown, Massachusetts as, quote, secondary residences, according to documents that I myself have reviewed.
In the public mortgage documents filed in connection with Besson's properties, the documents contain this attestation that the power will occupy the property as his principal residence within 60 days and continue to use it as his principal residence for one year.
That same clause, however, makes it clear that this requirement can be waived with a letter of agreement with a letter, which is exactly what happened in the case of the Bank of America loans.
Quote, I will not have to occupy the property and use the property as my principal residence within the timeframe set forth if the lender agrees in writing that I do not have to do so.
The mortgage documents clearly delineate.
So Bloomberg had cited public filings to suggest that there were similarities between Besson's mortgages and those of Federal Reserve Board Governor Lisa Cook, whose 2021 loan documents for different properties reflected primary residence attestations.
President Donald Trump said he was removing Cook from the Federal Reserve Board last week, two weeks ago, citing what he called potentially criminal conduct.
Dr. Cook has denied wrongdoing, is contesting her removal in court, but her lawsuit in the District of Columbia was referred by the D.C. clerk of courts, Angela Cesar, to a judge, Gia Cobb, a federal judge, who is a member of the same Black Women's College sorority as Dr. Cook, which I think is a shocking, stunning conflict of interest.
Strangely, the Department of Justice did not contest and ask that the judge recuse herself.
Now, why should you care?
Here's why you should care.
Because based on the inflation rate and the current unemployment rate, it is time for a deep cut in interest rates on the American people.
That would affect the interest rate that you pay when you pay off your credit cards, when you borrow money for personal or business reasons, when you seek to buy a car or, say, buy a home.
Yet the Federal Reserve this past week grudgingly voted to cut interest rates but a quarter of a point.
And Dr. Cook was allowed to vote, despite the fact that President Trump had terminated her for cause.
I would note that at least three previous Federal Reserve Board governors had resigned from the Federal Reserve when they were simply under investigation.
Dr. Cook is clearly under investigation, but she has refused to resign.
More recently, the U.S. District Federal District Court of Appeals upheld that ruling by Judge Gia Cobb, but then that's not surprising.
This is the same appeals court that upheld the unconstitutional gag put on me by a federal judge when I stood trial in the Soviet-style show trial in connection with the Russian collusion hoax.
I sadly must conclude that in the District of Columbia, no Republican, no conservative, no independent, no free thinker, no libertarian, and most certainly, no Trump supporter will ever get a fair trial, nor can you expect actual justice from any of the judges or juries that are seated in the District of Columbia.
And that is a fact.
This smear of Scott Besson has now been completely and totally disproved.
Brutal Political Assassination00:13:39
I myself have examined all of the documents.
There's a terrific piece about it up at breitbart.news if you're interested in more information.
This is an ongoing question as this past week you have seen Reuters distort the facts regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James, claiming that a worksheet rather than the actual final mortgage documents, including a power of attorney that the Attorney General signed in multiple places and witnessed by an attorney in the Attorney General's office, did not constitute mortgage fraud, when in fact it did.
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Folks, I'm going to be honest with you, I am still reeling over the brutal political assassination of my friend Charlie Kirk.
I do now feel free to say that Charlie reached out to me after I was arrested in the Russian collusion hoax.
I didn't know him previously, but he reached out to me.
He saw immediately that I was being persecuted, largely because I refused to bear false witness against Donald Trump, and that the investigators in the Russian collusion hoax had spent $30 million and come up completely and totally empty-handed of any proof of Russian interference in the U.S. election.
And therefore, they had decided to fabricate it, and they wanted me to be their stooge.
I, of course, refused to do that.
Charlie became a very effective public and most importantly, private advocacy for clemency for me.
Indeed, he was an advocate for the full and unconditional pardon under which I'm able to be with you today.
So we became very good friends.
And yes, we did talk about his political aspirations.
Charlie was thinking seriously about running for the governorship of Arizona at some point.
And yes, he had presidential aspirations.
I consider that to be extraordinarily noble.
Frankly, I think that he had the faith, the courage, the discipline, the principles, and the drive to be a great presidential candidate, if not a great presidential candidate.
So the loss here is greater than just the loss of a leader of the conservative movement.
Charlie Kirk, I think, gave hope and inspired an entire generation.
It's interesting to me that his organization, Turning Point USA, has now had more than 58,000 inquiries, an overwhelming number from high school students about starting chapters of the organization.
To me, this is a very good sign because it means that those to whom Marxism is being very aggressively pushed from the public school system are waking up as to the beauties of the U.S. Constitution, free speech, free enterprise, capitalism, and yes, reverence to God.
Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, has been named as the new board chair and CEO of Turning Point USA.
This comes after Erica Kirk's rousing address to the country, where she vowed that her husband's vision would live on.
In that address, Erica Kirk said, they killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love.
They should all know this.
If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea.
You have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country and across the world.
You have no idea.
You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife.
The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.
This was one of the most inspiring speeches I have ever seen.
My opinion, there is no better choice to lead Turning Point USA than Erica Kirk.
She was emboldened to double down on the fight to save America.
She's on fire for liberty and stands as an example of a strong, empowered woman who loves her God, the family, and her country.
They were unfortunately successful in striking down my friend Charlie.
I'm still not over it.
I'll probably never be over it.
But they will live to rue their decision because of the work of his wife, and she will achieve honors in his great legacy.
Meanwhile, ABC has made a decision.
The infamous left-wing Trump hater, Jimmy Kimmel, who I never frankly thought was all that funny, has been removed by ABC from the network's airwaves after he made extraordinarily distasteful comments about Charlie Kirk following his assassination.
On his show, Kimmel said, we hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the man who stands accused of killing Charlie Kirk, a man named Tyler Robinson, was in any way part of the MAGA movement, was a disgruntled conservative, Republican, or Trump supporter.
And that is if he is even, in fact, the killer, something we don't definitively know yet.
Having written a book about the Kennedy assassination, which became a New York Times bestseller, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, which I made a case that there was indeed a plot that involved the vice president, the man who had the most to gain, Lyndon Baines Johnson, the CIA, organized crime, Big Texas Oil, and certain other financial institutions to murder John F. Kennedy in the streets of Dallas.
I also recently completed a book that'll publish before the end of the year about the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan, because the government has never issued a full or conclusive report on that near miss, that near assassination.
Having examined very closely the assassinations of New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy the night of his greatest political triumph when he won the California primary in 1968, and examining the brutal murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, I can say definitively that I have no intention of believing what the government tells me without examining the facts myself.
So we still don't know who killed Charlie Kirk.
And to me, there are a lot of anomalies and irregularities in what we are being told.
This is probably a subject for an entire show.
I do ask you to stay with us, though, because we're going to interview Cliff Maloney.
Cliff Maloney is the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase.
If I had to name two or three people who were really, beyond Donald Trump himself and his running mate, JD Vance, responsible for the greatest political comeback in American history, well, Cliff Maloney would be one of those.
He is a master of the old-fashioned art of shoe leather politics.
They call him the godfather of door knocking.
And he targeted Pennsylvania from the beginning.
He stuck with it through thick and through thin.
This is not a luxurious assignment, I assure you, sleeping in lousy motels, eating terrible fast food, but constantly grinding, registering new voters, locating voters, turning voters out, collecting mail-in ballots to be mailed in concurrent with law.
He did an amazing job.
He's a political hero, and we're going to have him right here in the Stone Zone when we return.
So whoever you do, stick with us for our great interview with Malone.
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Joining me now is Cliff Maloney.
Cliff Maloney hails from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
He is the chief executive officer of the Citizens Alliance, but he's also, more importantly, I think, founder of the Pennsylvania Chase at 34 years old.
Cliff Maloney's door knocking deployments have knocked on over 8 million doors and delivered victories in 418 elections across the country.
Many have referred to Cliff Maloney as the godfather of shoe leather politics and door knocking.
He hired 200, pardon me, 124 full-time door knockers, knocking on 510,000 doors.
And he increased Donald Trump's share of the Pennsylvania mail-in vote from 20% to 34.5%.
Something Cliff told me from the beginning he would achieve.
Every time I would reach out to him by text or by phone, I would say, brother, how you doing?
And he would say, I'm grinding, man.
I'm grinding.
And grind he did, hitting the numbers that he predicted a full year in advance.
Cliff Maloney, I know you, like me, are reeling over the brutal political assassination of our mutual friend, Charlie Kirk, but still, I welcome you into the stone zone.
Roger, always an honor to be with you as a mentor, a friend.
You're right.
A year ago, you gave me a platform.
I told you that we had to hit 33% in Pennsylvania for Donald Trump.
You believed in me.
Not a lot of people did.
We pulled it off.
Appreciate you.
Thanks for having me tonight.
Yeah, I mean, if I had to name three individuals beyond, of course, Donald Trump and JD Vance, responsible for the greatest comeback in American political history, something that on paper should have been impossible.
Something that some in our own party said was impossible and wasn't going to happen.
That, frankly, would be Charlie Kirk, Scott Pressler, and you, Cliff Maloney.
And when you began the Pennsylvania effort, some of the old bulls in the party scoffed at the idea that you could increase Trump's share of the mail-in vote, which is notoriously Democrat-manipulated, from 20% to 33%.
You got it to 34.5%.
Many people consider that a miracle.
Yeah, and you're right, Roger.
You know, it was all the old guard, the Karl Rove-esque, the John McCain establishment Republicans who told me to sit down, shut up, and you were the opposite.
You handed me a microphone.
You said, young man, speak out.
And just, I want you to know, Roger, how much I appreciate that.
Well, you are the future of the party.
Don't you know, don't ever tell people what they can't do, particularly young conservatives.
But we have suffered a serious blow in the loss of Charlie Kirk.
I didn't know Charlie Kirk, as I said earlier in the show, after the FBI raided my home, he could see through it, as many Americans could, the fact that CNN just happened to be there, totally coincidentally, Cliff, of course.
He knew immediately that I was being set up in a fraud, that they really, it wasn't that I had done anything wrong, but they had run out of scenarios, run out of narrative.
They had to create Russian collusion where none existed.
They would have let me walk.
They told me repeatedly that they would recommend that I serve no jail time, that I just walk away if I would just agree to testify falsely against President Donald Trump, which, of course, I refused to do.
Charlie recognized this vice grip that they had me in, and he became both a public and a private advocate, probably more effective even privately than he was publicly.
I mean, he said it on his show.
He said it in his tweets.
He said it publicly, but I know that he argued with the president and some of his advisors that I be given full clemency, that the charges against me would ultimately prove to be fraudulent, which, of course, they were.
Anybody who's looked at the fully unredacted final Robert Mueller's report, special counsel's report, which they hid from the American people for three years, finally took a federal judge to order them to release it.
You can see that they found no evidence of Russian collusion, Wikileaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.
Go For The Win00:15:13
Let's focus on the future because politics is always about the future.
Have a theory, which I totally subscribe to, that if we can lock in Pennsylvania, if we can ensure that it is a red state going forward, it becomes virtually impossible for the Marxist Democrats to retake the White House.
So, Cliff, what's the plan?
Yeah, you know, listen, I say that Pennsylvania is the red wall, right?
The math becomes extremely difficult for Democrats to win nationally ever again.
If we make Pennsylvania the new Ohio, right?
The next Florida, if you will, there's really a minimal path that they have.
So, Roger, what I've committed to is: listen, we did this effort in 2024 with the Pennsylvania Chase.
We cannot sit out a year.
Here are the two options we have, okay?
And Josh Shapiro is praying that we take the first option.
The first option is you sit out the odd years, you hang out, you let them incrementally claw back on all the gains that we made in 2024.
That's option one.
Option two is you say, listen, we're going to do this thing every year.
We're going to match the Democrats' playbook.
We're going to run a ground game.
We're going to chase ballots.
We're going to knock doors every year.
So, here's my pitch, and here's my plan for all the Stone Zone listeners.
In 2025, this year, we're going to knock 500,000 doors again.
We launched August 4th.
We'll be there through November 4th for the general election.
Next year in the midterms, we're going to do 750,000 doors.
2027, another 500,000 doors in the off year.
In 2028, whether it's JD Vance or whoever the nominee is, I'm a big fan of JD, we're going to pledge to knock a million doors.
This is the Democrat playbook.
I don't take credit for creating it, Roger.
You were the one that told me this.
You know, political technology is politically neutral.
It's ideologically neutral.
It doesn't matter.
If it works, you have to do it.
So, in Pennsylvania, we have 50 days, 50 days of voting.
And so, the antidote, the remedy to that is to go out to every Republican that is unlikely to vote on election day and say, hey, Mr. Bob Smith, here is a request form.
We'll get a ballot sent to your door.
And then, once ballots go out, what do we do, Roger?
We go to every Republican that has a ballot and we say, you have to send this back.
And let me tell you the results.
In 2020, there were 141,000 Republicans that requested a mail-in ballot and never sent it back.
In 2024, when we actually did the Chase program, we went and talked to these people that had a ballot.
We got that number down to 60,000.
That's how Donald Trump won Pennsylvania.
That's how we're going to continue to build the red wall.
And that's what this is about: permanent infrastructure.
Beat the Democrats at their own game.
And the Stone Zone has my word that I will go out and raise the money.
I will hire the individuals.
I will deploy the door knocking team.
And we will knock the doors needed to make PA the red wall.
Folks, if you're just tuning in, you're in the Stone Zone.
We're talking to Cliff Maloney.
He is the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase.
He also serves as the chief executive officer of Citizens Alliance.
And he is the architect of the Keystone State victory of Donald Trump.
He set out to do it well more than a year in advance.
He told me what he would do.
And he is one of the most dynamic young leaders in the Republican Party today.
What do you say, Cliff, to those voters who love Donald Trump, voted for Donald Trump, but may not be that in love with the Republican Party?
What do you say to them?
Well, I say, listen, you know, I'm a liberty lover first before I'm a party member.
And my advice to anybody who's just getting into the fight, whether it's because of this horrific tragedy with Charlie, whether it's because you realize, you know, the good versus the bad, you know, unfortunately, I hate to say it like this, but it's representative of Republican versus Democrat.
Do not get in the battle to build a party.
There's a lot of great friends of ours, Roger, who are in the battle.
They're in the party.
I'm not saying that the party is bad, but find a candidate like a Donald Trump.
Find a candidate that you really support.
That to me is the effort.
Don't get caught up.
If you're in a meeting and you're an activist and you find yourself spending a majority of your time arguing about bylaws, arguing about, you know, different motions and who makes a second, go out and talk to the voters.
That is the real battle.
That is the opportunity we have.
The American people are with us.
If the gut reaction of voters was to stand with illegal immigrants over Americans, or to stand with men who think they are girls over the real girls who are out there trying to be in their own places to play sports, I'd give up this fight.
But the reason I've doubled in, you taught me this, Roger, is that the American people are with us.
And so my advice is find a candidate you align with.
Find an issue you want to fight for.
Spend your time focusing on that.
That's how we make Liberty win.
That's how we save the Republic.
I think you made a very good point there.
I'm not sure everybody caught it, but I'm going to come back and hit it.
And that is Cliff Maloney had to go out and raise all the money for this shoe leather war to win Pennsylvania.
We don't have a George Soros standing in the background writing billion-dollar checks to Cliff Maloney or to Turning Point USA or any other grassroots organization.
We have to go out and raise that money.
So Cliff, if people want to support your work right now and they realize that this doesn't just go on just in the presidential campaign years, but it's a year in, year out, every year effort to not lose the valuable ground that you made in terms of voter registration and in terms of building the infrastructure to locate, identify, and turn out votes.
Where can people go?
Yeah, pachase.com.
PA, short for Pennsylvania, PAChase.com.
And Roger, here's the best thing I say to everybody out there in the stone zone.
100% of the money that people donate, there's no grift, there's no percentage cut, there's no commissions.
$175 covers an entire day.
For me to put a ballot chaser on the ground, it goes towards their pay, their housing, their food, the gas cards.
$175 is a full day sponsorship at PAChase.com.
And that's what I ask people to do.
Listen, fundraising is the worst part of my gig.
You know, a year and a half ago, Roger, when we first talked on your show, it would have been easy for me to say, hey, listen, the party, the establishment, they don't want to fund us.
They got their own consultants.
They got their own grifters.
I'm just going to go home.
But instead, I spent 300 days on the road in 2024 meeting with patriots.
They don't have any special interests.
They're not looking for favors.
They just want to save the Republic.
They want to save the country.
And so that's my argument to everybody.
$175 a day, pa chase.com, you can sponsor an actual person on the ground talking to voters.
That's how we win.
As Charlie would say, it's one of my favorite quotes, do the work.
And my big message to everybody right now is for Charlie.
Do it for Charlie.
That's what we're up against.
Yeah, this is a very key point I want to come back and hit.
And that is, trust me, Cliff Maloney does not have cushy offices.
He doesn't have a massive salary.
He doesn't have a huge expense account.
There are not high-paid consultants and grifters.
This is a hand-to-mouth grassroots operation where the money you give goes right to the main task, goes right to voter registration, voter identification, voter turnout.
I, frankly, in the 50 years I've been in American politics, I haven't seen anything this impressive.
Cliff told me he was going to build it 18 months before the election.
And by election day, he had surpassed what the old bulls in the party ever thought was possible.
In fact, they laughed at him.
They thought that this was a fool's errand.
But he delivered thanks to the literally hundreds of thousands of donors who stepped up to the plate and went to pachase.com, pach.com.
We've got about a minute left here before we come back to a little more.
I want to talk about the New Jersey governor's race when we return.
As you know, New Jersey, Virginia, the only two states who have their gubernatorial race in the off years.
It is interesting to me that Donald Trump ran extraordinarily strong in the Garden State, despite the fact that it was not a targeted state.
It was not a place where the Trump campaign could afford to make massive expenditures.
It's an incredibly expensive state to campaign in because, of course, it has both the New York and the Philadelphia television markets, the New York market covering the northern part of the state, the Pennsylvania market covering the southern part of the state.
It's not a cheap place to campaign.
Donald Trump ran extremely strongly in the state, considering all the efforts in the state were largely grassroots, things put together by patriots like Mike Crispy and others.
I want to get Cliff's take on the upcoming gubernatorial election.
I also want to talk to him a little bit about his personal remembrance of Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point.
He was a great friend of mine.
He's a great friend of Cliff's.
He provides inspiration for us even in death.
So we're going to cover all that when we come back.
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I'm still joined by Cliff Maloney.
Cliff Maloney has been called the godfather of shoe leather and door-knocking politics at a mere 34 years old.
He is one of the key architects of Donald Trump's incredible victory in the Keystone State of Pennsylvania.
We have people in eastern Pennsylvania listening to us right now.
So you've probably been touched by Cliff Maloney and his Pennsylvania Chase operation.
Probably the greatest single grassroots political operation in the history of American politics.
Average age of your deployment, Cliff?
Yeah, probably about 22 years old.
I mean, a lot of people either are taking a gap year after high school.
They're fresh out of college.
You know, we pull a lot of people, Roger.
They either listen to the Stone Zone, they're listening to the different shows, the Charlie Kirk show, but people that say, you know what, I'm working a dead-end job or I'm working, but I want to be in the fight.
And that's typically how we recruit.
You know, for us to have 120 people on the ground in PA in 2024, we had about 1,100 people apply.
And so it shows you, I mean, there's a lot of young people that are just yearning to get involved, but 22 is probably the average age.
So all these young people had a profound effect on the direction of the country, helping facilitate the greatest political comeback in American history by President Donald Trump.
I loved watching him over there in London, all the pomp and ceremony.
Of course, I know he's now going to want his very own coach and carriage because that was pretty cool.
But I want to ask you about New Jersey.
We've got about three minutes left.
New Jersey, one of the two states that has its gubernatorial election in the off years.
Have the folks in New Jersey been wise enough to utilize some of the lessons that you taught us in 2024?
Well, one, I'll give Mike Crispy credit.
Mike Crispy, a great patriot, but I got an outreach from Mike and a bunch of other patriots in New Jersey that said, hey, listen, you know, how do we get the PA Chase to launch in New Jersey?
So I'm happy to report here on your show, here in the Stone Zone, that we are involved with the New Jersey Chase.
We have committed to put people on the ground.
We launched in early August for Jack Chitterelli, and we are committing to knock 500,000 doors for the New Jersey Chase program.
And honestly, Roger, there's nothing special to say.
It's just taking the playbook that we used in Pennsylvania.
And I was just in Cape May yesterday meeting with some of our people that are investing, strategists.
We are knocking 500,000 doors for Jack Chitterelli.
I'm honored to do it.
And I think it could be the difference maker to put him over the hump in this gubernatorial election.
Well, there you go, folks.
We just made note news right here in the Stone Zone.
And I have to upgrade Jack Chitterelli's chances.
Look, this is tough territory.
I mean, New Jersey is a very, very blue state, but the high-tax soft on crime policies that produce people like Corey Booker have, I think, run out of steam.
President Trump ran a very strong race in the state, and Chitterelli is coming on strong in the public opinion polls.
I think victory is indeed possible.
And now, frankly, I'm encouraged by hearing that Cliff Maloney's technology, his tactics, his techniques, and indeed his handbook, shall we say, is going to be used on the ground in the Garden State.
So I'm upgrading the chances of Chittarelli now as a potential come from behind winner.
It's going to take this kind of Herculean effort, but Cliff Maloney and Mike Crispy, that's an unbelievable combination when it comes to grassroots action and activism.
So I wish you the very best in that effort.
If you've just tuned in, I'm going to give it to you one more time.
You can help this overall effort by going to pachace.com, pa chase.com.
That money, Cliff, will get used in New Jersey, correct?
Absolutely, Roger.
And let me say this, just as a send-off, Roger, I appreciate you.
You've always been there for me.
A great patriot of this country, a true America first man.
And I appreciate your mentorship and just always being there for everyone who wants to fight for the cause.
Thank you so much for having me.
All right.
That was the great Cliff Maloney, who was the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase and one of the key architects of Donald Trump's stunning Pennsylvania victory that made his comeback even sweeter.
Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
I'm Roger Stone.
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