Cliff Maloney, CEO of Citizens Alliance and founder of Pennsylvania Chase at 34, deployed 124 door-knockers to boost Trump’s PA mail-in vote from 20% to 34.5%, now planning 500K–1M annual knocks to counter Democratic tactics. His strategy cut unturned GOP ballots from 141K to 60K, with $175 funding full-day efforts at pachase.com. Expanding to New Jersey’s gubernatorial race, he dismisses party divisions, framing the fight against Marxist policies and immigration as a grassroots imperative—tying rural hospital preservation to conservative electoral dominance. [Automatically generated summary]
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Joining me now is Cliff Maloney.
Cliff Maloney hails from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
He is the chief executive officer of the Citizens Alliance, but he's also, more importantly, I think, founder of the Pennsylvania Chase at 34 years old.
Cliff Maloney's door knocking deployments have knocked on over 8 million doors and delivered victories in 418 elections across the country.
Many have referred to Cliff Maloney as the godfather of shoe leather politics and door knocking.
He hired 200, pardon me, 124 full-time door knockers, knocking on 510,000 doors, and he increased Donald Trump's share of the Pennsylvania mail involve from 20% to 34.5%.
Something Cliff told me from the beginning he would achieve.
Every time I would reach out to him by text or by phone, I would say, brother, how you doing?
And he would say, I'm grinding, man.
I'm grinding.
And grind he did, hitting the numbers that he predicted a full year in advance.
Cliff Maloney, I know you, like me, are reeling over the brutal political assassination of our mutual friend, Charlie Kirk, but still, I welcome you into the Stone Zone.
Roger, always an honor to be with you as a mentor, a friend.
You're right.
A year ago, you gave me a platform.
I told you that we had to hit 33% in Pennsylvania for Donald Trump.
You believed in me.
Not a lot of people did.
We pulled it off.
Appreciate you.
Thanks for having me tonight.
Yeah, I mean, if I had to name three individuals beyond, of course, Donald Trump and JD Vance, responsible for the greatest comeback in American political history, something that on paper should have been impossible.
Something that some in our own party said was impossible and wasn't going to happen.
That, frankly, would be Charlie Kirk, Scott Pressler, and you, Cliff Maloney.
And when you began the Pennsylvania effort, some of the old bulls in the party scoffed at the idea that you could increase Trump's share of the mail-in vote, which is notoriously Democrat-manipulated, from 20% to 33%.
You got it to 34.5%.
Many people consider that a miracle.
Yeah, and you're right, Roger.
You know, it was all the old guard, the Karl Rove-esque, the John McCain establishment Republicans who told me to sit down, shut up, and you were the opposite.
You handed me a microphone.
You said, young man, speak out.
And just, I want you to know, Roger, how much I appreciate that.
Well, you are the future of the party.
Don't ever tell people what they can't do, particularly young conservatives.
But we have suffered a serious blow in the loss of Charlie Kirk.
I didn't know Charlie Kirk.
As I said earlier in the show, after the FBI raided my home, he could see through it as many Americans could.
the fact that CNN just happened to be there, totally coincidentally, Cliff, of course.
He knew immediately that I was being set up in a fraud, that they really, it wasn't that I'd done anything wrong, but they had run out of scenarios, run out of narrative.
They had to create Russian collusion where none existed.
They would have let me walk.
They told me repeatedly that they would recommend that I serve no jail time, that I just walk away if I would just agree to testify falsely against President Donald Trump, which, of course, I refused to do.
Charlie recognized this vice grip that they had me in, and he became both a public and a private advocate, probably more effective even privately than he was publicly.
I mean, he said it on his show.
He said it in his tweets.
He said it publicly, but I know that he argued with the president and some of his advisors that I'd be given full clemency, that the charges against me would ultimately prove to be fraudulent, which of course they were.
Anybody who's looked at the fully unredacted final Robert Mueller's report, special counsel's report, which they hid from the American people for three years, finally took a federal judge to order them to release it.
You can see that they found no evidence of Russian collusion, Wikileaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.
Let's focus on the future because politics is always about the future.
You have a theory, which I totally subscribe to, that if we can lock in Pennsylvania, if we can ensure that it is a red state going forward, it becomes virtually impossible for the Marxist Democrats to retake the White House.
So, Cliff, what's the plan?
Yeah, you know, listen, I say that Pennsylvania is the red wall, right?
The math becomes extremely difficult for Democrats to win nationally ever again.
If we make Pennsylvania the new Ohio, right?
The next Florida, if you will, there's really a minimal path that they have.
So, Roger, what I've committed to is, listen, we did this effort in 2024 with the Pennsylvania Chase.
We cannot sit out a year.
Here are the two options we have, okay?
And Josh Shapiro is praying that we take the first option.
The first option is you sit out the odd years, you hang out, you let them incrementally claw back on all the gains that we made in 2024.
That's option one.
Option two is you say, listen, we're going to do this thing every year.
We're going to match the Democrats' playbook.
We're going to run a ground game.
We're going to chase ballots.
We're going to knock doors every year.
So, here's my pitch, and here's my plan for all the Stone Zone listeners.
In 2025, this year, we're going to knock 500,000 doors again.
We launched August 4th.
We'll be there through November 4th for the general election.
Next year in the midterms, we're going to do 750,000 doors.
2027, another 500,000 doors in the off year.
In 2028, whether it's JD Vance or whoever the nominee is, I'm a big fan of JD, we're going to pledge to knock a million doors.
This is the Democrat playbook.
I don't take credit for creating it, Roger.
You were the one that told me this.
You know, political technology is politically neutral.
It's ideologically neutral.
It doesn't matter.
If it works, you have to do it.
So in Pennsylvania, we have 50 days, 50 days of voting.
And so the antidote, the remedy to that is to go out to every Republican that is unlikely to vote on Election Day and say, hey, Mr. Bob Smith, here is a request form.
We'll get a ballot sent to your door.
And then once ballots go out, what do we do, Roger?
We go to every Republican that has a ballot and we say, you have to send this back.
And let me tell you the results.
In 2020, there were 141,000 Republicans that requested a mail-in ballot and never sent it back.
In 2024, when we actually did the Chase Pro, we went and talked to these people that had a ballot.
We got that number down to 60,000.
That's how Donald Trump won Pennsylvania.
That's how we're going to continue to build the red wall.
And that's what this is about, permanent infrastructure.
Beat the Democrats at their own game.
And the Stone Zone has my word that I will go out and raise the money.
I will hire the individuals.
I will deploy the door knocking team.
And we will knock the doors needed to make PA the red wall.
Rural Americans deserve access to the best our nation has to offer, especially when it comes to health care.
Across every state and every community, America's rural hospitals are the first line of defense, protecting our families, neighbors, and loved ones.
No matter where you live, hospital care doesn't clock out.
They're there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
Each year, America's over 5,000 hospitals care for millions of patients, providing 24-7 emergency care, delivering babies, cancer treatments, and other life-saving care that patients rely on.
Behind every one of those patients are doctors, nurses, and caregivers working tirelessly to keep people healthy and safe.
Hospitals are our community's lifelines.
They employ our neighbors and keep our families health.
But now, some in Congress are threatening access to care.
Tell Congress, protect patient care to keep America strong.
Don't cut rural health care.
Folks, if you're just tuning in, you're in the Stone Zone.
We're talking to Cliff Maloney.
He is the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase.
He's also serves as the chief executive officer of Citizens Alliance.
And he is the architect of the Keystone State victory of Donald Trump.
He set out to do it well, more than a year in advance.
He told me what he would do.
And he is one of the most dynamic young leaders in the Republican Party today.
What do you say, Cliff, to those voters who love Donald Trump, voted for Donald Trump, but may not be that in love with the Republican Party?
What do you say to them?
Well, I say, listen, you know, I'm a liberty lover first before I'm a party member.
And my advice to anybody who's just getting into the fight, whether it's because of this horrific tragedy with Charlie, whether it's because you realize that, you know, the good versus the bad, you know, unfortunately, I hate to say it like this, but it's representative of Republican versus Democrat.
Do not get in the battle to build a party.
There's a lot of great friends of ours, Roger, who are in the battle.
They're in the party.
I'm not saying that the party is bad, but find a candidate like a Donald Trump.
Find a candidate that you really support.
That to me is the effort.
Don't get caught up.
If you're in a meeting and you're an activist and you find yourself spending a majority of your time arguing about bylaws, arguing about, you know, different motions and who makes a second, go out and talk to the voters.
That is the real battle.
That is the opportunity we have.
The American people are with us.
If the gut reaction of voters was to stand with illegal immigrants over Americans, or to stand with men who think they are girls over the real girls who are out there trying to be in their own places to play sports, I'd give up this fight.
But the reason I've doubled down, you taught me this, Roger, is that the American people are with us.
And so my advice is find a candidate you align with.
Find an issue you want to fight for.
Spend your time focusing on that.
That's how we make Liberty win.
That's how we save the Republic.
I think you made a very good point there.
I'm not sure everybody caught it, but I'm going to come back and hit it.
And that is, Cliff Maloney had to go out and raise all the money for this shoe leather war to win Pennsylvania.
We don't have a George Soros standing in the background writing billion-dollar checks to Cliff Maloney or to Turning Point USA or any other grassroots organization.
We have to go out and raise that money.
So, Cliff, if people want to support your work right now and they realize that this doesn't just go on just in the presidential campaign years, but it's a year-in, year-out, every-year effort to not lose the valuable ground that you made in terms of voter registration and in terms of building the infrastructure to locate, identify, and turn out votes.
Where can people go?
Yeah, pachase.com.
PA, short for Pennsylvania, pachase.com.
And Roger, here's the best thing I say to everybody out there in the stone zone: 100% of the money that people donate.
There's no grift, there's no percentage cut, there's no commissions.
$175 covers an entire day.
For me to put a ballot chaser on the ground, it goes towards their pay, their housing, their food, the gas cards.
$175 is a full day sponsorship at pachase.com.
And that's what I asked people to do.
Listen, fundraising is the worst part of my gig.
You know, a year and a half ago, Roger, when we first talked on your show, it would have been easy for me to say, hey, listen, the party, the establishment, they don't want to fund us.
They got their own consultants.
They got their own grifters.
I'm just going to go home.
But instead, I spent 300 days on the road in 2024 meeting with patriots.
They don't have any special interests.
They're not looking for favors.
They just want to save the Republic.
They want to save the country.
And so that's my argument to everybody.
$175 a day, pa Chase.com, you can sponsor an actual person on the ground talking to voters.
That's how we win.
As Charlie would say, it's one of my favorite quotes: do the work.
And my big message to everybody right now is for Charlie.
Do it for Charlie.
That's what we're up against.
Yeah, this is a very key point I want to come back in here.
And that is, trust me, Cliff Maloney does not have cushy offices.
He doesn't have a massive salary.
He doesn't have a huge expense account.
There are not high-paid consultants and grifters.
This is a hand-to-mouth grassroots operation where the money you give goes right to the main task, goes right to voter registration, voter identification, voter turnout.
I frankly, in the 50 years I've been in American politics, I haven't seen anything this impressive.
Cliff told me he was going to build it 18 months before the election, and by election day, he had surpassed what the old bulls in the party ever thought was possible.
In fact, they laughed at him.
They thought that this was a fool's errand, but he delivered thanks to the literally hundreds of thousands of donors who stepped up to the plate and went to pachace.com, pach.com.
We've got about a minute left here before we come back to a little more.
I want to talk about the New Jersey governor's race when we return.
As you know, New Jersey, Virginia, the only two states who have their gubernatorial race in the off years, it is interesting to me that Donald Trump ran extraordinarily strong in the garden state, despite the fact that it was not a targeted state.
It was not a place where the Trump campaign could afford to make massive expenditures.
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It's an incredibly expensive state to campaign in because, of course, it has both the New York and the Philadelphia television markets, the New York market covering the northern part of the state, the Pennsylvania market covering the southern part of the state.
It's not a cheap place to campaign.
Donald Trump ran extremely strongly in the state, considering all the efforts in the state were largely grassroots, things put together by patriot like Mike Crispy and others.
I want to get Cliff's take on the upcoming gubernatorial election.
I also want to talk to him a little bit about his personal remembrance of Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point.
He was a great friend of mine.
He's a great friend of Cliff's.
He provides inspiration for us even in death.
So we're going to cover all that when we come back.
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And we're back in the Stone Zone.
I'm still joined by Cliff Maloney.
Cliff Maloney has been called the godfather of shoe leather and door-knocking politics at a mere 34 years old.
He is one of the key architects of Donald Trump's incredible victory in the Keystone State of Pennsylvania.
We have people in eastern Pennsylvania listening to us right now.
So you've probably been touched by Cliff Maloney and his Pennsylvania Chase operation.
Probably the greatest single grassroots political operation in the history of American politics.
Average age of your deployment, Cliff?
Yeah, probably about 22 years old.
I mean, a lot of people either are taking a gap year after high school, they're fresh out of college.
You know, we pull a lot of people, Roger.
They either listen to the Stone Zone, they're listening to the different shows, the Charlie Kirk show, but people that say, you know what, I'm working a dead-end job or I'm working, but I want to be in the fight.
And that's typically how we recruit.
You know, for us to have 120 people on the ground in PA in 2024, we had about 1,100 people apply.
And so it shows you, I mean, there's a lot of young people that are just yearning to get involved, but 22 is probably the average age.
So all these young people had a profound effect on the direction of the country, helping facilitate the greatest political comeback in American history by President Donald Trump.
I loved watching him over there in London, all the pomp and ceremony.
Of course, I know he's now going to want his very own coach and carriage because that was pretty cool.
But I want to ask you about New Jersey.
We've got about three minutes left.
New Jersey, one of the two states that has its gubernatorial election in the off years.
Have the folks in New Jersey been wise enough to utilize some of the lessons that you taught us in 2024?
Well, one, I'll give Mike Crispy credit.
Mike Crispy, a great patriot, but I got an outreach from Mike and a bunch of other patriots in New Jersey that said, hey, listen, you know, how do we get the PA Chase to launch in New Jersey?
So I'm happy to report here on your show, here in the Stone Zone, that we are involved with the New Jersey Chase.
We have committed to put people on the ground.
We launched in early August for Jack Chitterelli, and we are committing to knock 500,000 doors for the New Jersey Chase program.
And honestly, Roger, there's nothing special to say.
It's just taking the playbook that we used in Pennsylvania.
And I was just in Cape May yesterday meeting with some of our people that are investing, strategists.
We are knocking 500,000 doors for Jack Chitterelli.
I'm honored to do it.
And I think it could be the difference maker to put him over the hump in this gubernatorial election.
Well, there you go, folks.
We just made note news right here in the Stone Zone.
And I have to upgrade Jack Chitterelli's chances.
Look, this is tough territory.
I mean, New Jersey is a very, very blue state, but the high-tax soft-on-crime policies that produce people like Corey Booker have, I think, run out of steam.
President Trump ran a very strong race in the state, and Chittarelli is coming on strong in the public opinion polls.
I think victory is indeed possible.
And now, frankly, I'm encouraged by hearing that Cliff Maloney's technology, his tactics, his techniques, and indeed his handbook, shall we say, is going to be used on the ground in the Garden State.
So I'm upgrading the chances of Chittarelli now as a potential come from behind winner.
It's going to take this kind of Herculean effort, but Cliff Maloney and Mike Crispy, that's an unbelievable combination when it comes to grassroots action and activism.
So I wish you the very best in that effort.
If you've just tuned in, I'm going to give it to you one more time.
You can help this overall effort by going to pachace.com, phase.com.
That money, Cliff will get used in New Jersey, correct?
Absolutely, Roger.
And let me say this, just as a send-off.
Roger, I appreciate you.
You've always been there for me.
A great patriot of this country, a true America first man.
And I appreciate your mentorship and just always being there for everyone who wants to fight for the cause.
Thank you so much for having me.
All right.
That was the great Cliff Maloney, who was the founder of the Pennsylvania Chase and one of the key architects of Donald Trump's stunning Pennsylvania victory that made his comeback even sweeter.
Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
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Rural Americans deserve access to the best of what our nation has to offer, especially health care.
Across every state and every community, America's rural hospitals are the first line of defense, protecting our families, neighbors, and loved ones.
No matter where you live, hospital care doesn't clock out.
They're there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
Each year, America's over 5,000 hospitals care for millions of patients, providing 24-7 emergency care, delivering babies, cancer treatments, and other life-saving care that patients rely on.
Behind every one of those patients are doctors, nurses, and caregivers working tirelessly to keep people healthy and safe.
Hospitals are our community's lifelines.
They employ our neighbors and keep our families healthy.
But now, some in Congress are threatening access to care.
Tell Congress, protect patient care to keep America strong.