The Stone Zone dissects Jeffrey Epstein’s case, exposing FBI cover-ups, Pam Bondi’s redacted documents, and Barry Kushner/Alexander Acosta’s role in sealing his 2008 plea deal—Acosta later became Trump’s Labor Secretary. Roger Stone and Nick Bryant reveal Epstein’s ties to Bill Clinton (23 island visits, 17 flights on Lolita Express) and Les Wexner’s suspicious $1B+ power-of-attorney transfer, while Bryant’s Epstein Justice nonprofit demands answers about missing DVDs of alleged child abuse. Epstein’s 2019 arrest, Ghislaine Maxwell’s lenient trial, and U.S. Attorney Damien Williams’ selective prosecutions (P. Diddy’s single-count indictment) suggest systemic protection—raising questions about whether Epstein’s death was suicide or a hushed-up intelligence operation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Attorney General Pam Bondi, the former Attorney General of Florida, has been roundly criticized for pledging to release all of the Jeffrey Epstein records and producing significant information, but not producing all of the information.
We now know that Attorney General Pam Bondi, who I think is being greatly underestimated by some, was misled and essentially lied to by the New York office of the FBI, the Gateway pundit reporting now that there's been a significant shake-up within the FBI as one of his top officials was forced out.
NBC News reported Monday that James Denehy, the head of the FBI's New York office, threw in the towel just days after his office was revealed to have been hiding thousands of Epstein documents.
So it is clear that Bondi was lied to both by the FBI's New York office, but I think we're going to learn the Southern District of New York prosecutors who are continuing to cover up for Epstein, probably because of his deep relationship with the Clintons.
I am actually the first author in the country to write extensively about Jeffrey Epstein in my 2015 book, The Clintons War on Women, Chapter 7, Orgy Island.
I think it was Sean Hannity came up with that title.
Since that time, of course, there has been an attempt to link Donald Trump to Epstein.
This is misdirection, folk.
Donald Trump never went to Gepstein's island, never partied with him.
The one and only time that Donald Trump was on Epstein's plane, the Lolita Express, was a flight from New York to Palm Beach on a Friday, returning from Palm Beach to New York on a Sunday night.
And Marla Maples and then his wife, Marla Maples Trump, and their daughter Tiffany were on the flight as well.
This was a weekend in which Donald Trump's plane was in the shop.
This whole saga began when I should also say that Trump bars Epstein from Mar-Lago after Epstein makes an improper advance to one of the women working in the spa.
This is prior to his being charged of a sex crime in Florida.
He breaks entirely with Epstein.
The Clintons will continue to associate, take campaign contributions, and take the seed funding for the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative from Epstein after he has been charged and convicted and served time in the Florida case.
This entire saga began when a schoolgirl in Palm Beach came home with $500 in her lunchbox.
And when her parents asked her where she got it, she said she got it from the man who lives in the big house.
And that led to a police investigation, a six-month undercover investigation by the Palm Beach City Police under the leadership of Chief Michael Ryder.
Ryder would turn over to the state's attorney, a man named Barry Kushner, an overwhelming case for statutory rape, child sex trafficking, child abuse, and other crimes that should have landed Epstein in prison for life.
Chief Ryder was shocked when the state's attorney, after receiving all of this information, charged Epstein with one count of solicitation.
That's like walking into a bar and trying to pick up a hooker.
When the chief objected to the slap on the wrist charges, the prosecutor, Mr. Kushner, upgraded the charges to solicitation of a minor, still a serious charge, but not compared to child sex trafficking.
Epstein would get an incredibly light sentence.
He gets, I think, 18-month sentence of which he spends 15 months in jail.
He is, however, the only person convicted of a sex crime in the history of Florida not to serve his sentence in a state prison, but gets to serve his sentence in the private wing of the Palm Beach County Stockade, which is air-conditioned.
He also has extensive work release privileges, which allow him to leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week.
He ultimately would only serve 13 months of the sentence before being released.
The police chief, Mr. Ryder, then went to the U.S. attorney for South Florida, Alexander Acosta, complaining that, in his opinion, Kirsner, the prosecutor, had either been threatened or bribed.
The sweetheart deal negotiated with Mr. Kushner on behalf of Palm Beach County included the legal dream team retained by Jeffrey Epstein.
That was Leon Black, Alan Dershowitz, and Gerald Lefcourt.
They successfully got Mr. Epstein a slap on the wrist.
Now, it is important to note that the Clintons continued to socialize with Jeffrey Epstein, take campaign contributions for Jeffrey Epstein, and to also, as I said, take the seed funding for their two foundations.
Prosecutor Acosta, the federal prosecutor, after the complaints of the police chief, conducted his own investigation, then rubber stamped the slap on the wrist by state prosecutors, and he sealed the case.
And the case remained sealed for at least 10 years.
But the Palm Beach Times, the local newspaper, fought in federal court to ultimately unseal those records.
They became unsealed, which caused a flurry of mainstream media coverage.
Acosta, strangely enough, would go on to be appointed Secretary of Labor by President Donald Trump in his first term.
It is very clear, based on my own research, that President Trump was unaware of Mr. Acosta's role in the Epstein case, but knew him as a generally well-regarded U.S. attorney for South Florida, which is Miami, Broward, and Palm Beach County.
It is interesting that when Acosta was preparing for his confirmation hearings as labor secretary, he was asked what he would do if he was asked by a senator about his disposition of the Epstein case.
He said, Well, I'm going to tell the truth, which is I was contacted by the CIA, who told me that he worked for them, and I was to seal the case and talk about it no further.
It's interesting also that Bill Clinton, who has, I think, the real person who's being covered up here, the real person who's being protected, visited Epstein's island 23 times, was on Epstein's airplane, the Lolita Express, at least 17 times.
That's according to the FAA manifests.
Interesting that I read the testimony of Virginia Roberts, now that's her name today.
Her name was at that time Virginia Guffray.
You see, Epstein settled with a large number of the women who he had molested or that he had had inappropriate conduct with.
But Virginia Roberts, Virginia Guffray, now Virginia Roberts, declined the settlement offer and she sued.
I went through every one of those legal documents.
They are very extensive.
They detail Bill Clinton's time on the island.
Now, it's important to note that Virginia Giuffray, today Roberts, never claimed that she herself had sex with Bill Clinton, but she said that she knew other women in the island who claimed to her that they had,
and that she had, on one occasion, seen Bill Clinton talking to two underage girls in a party, cozying up to them when she herself was removed from the room to have sex with Epstein and another woman.
It's also interesting that Juffray's lawyer testified that the only Epstein associate or the only person who knew Epstein who was helpful to him in that lawsuit was Donald Trump.
That Trump met with him and gave him extensive time telling him what he knew about Epstein.
So this entire story is laid out in the two most compelling pieces of evidence, which were produced by Pam Bondi last week.
Now, I believe they were new to Bondi.
They were new to many people because this story never originally got the kind of coverage during the state phase that it deserved.
It was only because of the dogged efforts of Julie Brown of the Miami Herald that this story continued after Epstein's release from federal prison and after he went back immediately to his old tricks, as they say.
The real question, of course, remains: what happened to the DVDs and the hard drives that were in the safe and taken by the FBI?
They were recovered from his safes in New York City, in Palm Beach, on the island, St. James Island, which is near the Virgin Islands, and his Arizona ranch.
The other two key pieces of information that I cite in my book, The Clinton's War on Women, was Epstein's little black book.
Now, Epstein's little black book are all of his personal contacts.
He had 27 phone numbers for Bill Clinton, and he had numbers for Hillary Clinton, but he also, in fairness, had phone numbers for Donald Trump and many, many other A-list celebrities, senators, congressmen, athletes, movie stars, and so on.
He cultivated a very wide circle.
But that still, it's kind of shocking to see some of the names in his little black book.
And then the other thing, of course, which is far, far meaningful, are the manifests from the FAA of who actually flew on Epstein's plane, the Lolita Express.
Again, I think I attribute that great moniker to my friend Sean Hannity.
Those two pieces of information were among the things released by Bondi last week, but we now know that there's far more.
And of course, the single most important question is, who's on the DVDs and the hard drives?
Now, you cannot expect the government to release those because they would be quite graphic, perhaps even pornographic.
They would also expose the identities of the victims.
I've seen some people complaining to and about Bondi about the fact that the document she did release included redactions, but I looked, and those redactions are the names of Epstein's victims, as best as they can be ascertained.
So this story is far from over.
Pam Bondi is not to be underestimated, in my opinion.
Joining us on today's show is the investigative reporter who really was the first person in the United States to cover this story.
Nick Bryan is a journalist and an author.
Nick Bryant's writing career has wended its way through various incarnations over the last three decades, but he is mostly focused on the plight of lower socioeconomic children in the United States and their sexual exploitation and abuse.
Nick Bryan spent seven years investigating a child sex trafficking network that was covered up by the state and federal officials, culminating in his incredible book, The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal.
The trafficking network Bryant wrote about in the Franklin scandals has been the focal point of a lot of misinformation and disinformation on the internet.
The Franklin scandal and the Epstein scandal are quite similar in the sense that both child sex trafficking networks were covered up by state and federal authorities and continue to this day to be covered up for.
And the mainstream media was complicit because it never demanded justice for the child victims whose lives had been disfigured and harmed.
Bryant started investigating the Epstein network as early as 2012 when he acquired his little black book.
I have that material in my book, but I give full attribution to Nick Bryant for the information.
Incredibly, Nick Bryant took this bombshell story around to all of the mainstream media outlets and none of them would publish it.
That was until Gawker agreed to publish a series of stories.
They had the fortitude to publish the story, and that is the beginning of the public knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein.
Interestingly enough, Nick Bryant has also written a new book, The Truth About Watergate, a tale of extraordinary lies and liars.
To me, this is the single best narrative that quickly, but in painstaking detail, tells you what really happened in the Watergate affair.
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And that is a deep state coup in which Richard Nixon was removed from office because he was threatening to change the structure of the national security apparatus and rein in the CIA.
Documents declassified in the last six months prove that.
So we're about to get the inside story on Jeffrey Epstein and Watergate when we come back with my guest, investigative journalist Nick Bryant.
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And as promised, joining me now is Nick Bryant, journalist and author.
Also, I would have to say activist, because Nick Bryant has been working very hard to help the victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
They almost never get mentioned in this media maelstrom.
Nick Bryant has also written a phenomenal book, The Truth About Watergate, and he's been looking into the question of P. Diddy.
Given his incredible work on the Franklin scandal, that is a massive sex trafficking scandal covered up by the state and federal officials back in the 80s.
There's really nobody who knows this beat better than Nick Bryant.
So, Nick, welcome to the Stone Zone.
I am glad to be back on the Stone Zone, Roger.
So, Nick, we're going to take a quick break here in a moment, and then we're going to come back and get into some heavy conversation because I know you have a lot to say.
I appreciate your being on our show Sunday, but there's never enough time with you.
I would think that your phone would be ringing off the hook with reporters wanting to ask you about the Epstein scandal because you are the first reporter in the country to break the story.
You had the so-called little black book, the book of Epstein's contacts.
You had the FAA airplane Lolita Espress manifest.
You know who was on the island and how many times you interviewed Virginia Jouffrey, now Virginia Roberts.
I would think that mainstream media reporters from CNN and the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, they'd be beating your doors down to find out the truth about Jeffrey Epstein.
But I bet that is not happening.
So it's why I wanted to get you on today and also give us a little more time than we had in our past interviews because you know more about this than anyone.
You'll be right back.
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All right, as Prime Minister, investigative journalist and author Nick Bryant joins us now.
Nick, welcome to the zone, as I say.
What do you make of all this public tempest about Pam Bondi and the release of the Epstein list, as they say?
I was disappointed.
I thought we were going to get something substantial.
And she said on Fox News on national television that we were going to get something substantial.
And then we ended up with nothing sandwiched.
None of the information that she revealed, or none of the information that was revealed in those documents, really enlightened us about anything Jeffrey Epstein related.
And unfortunately, we're still in the dark as far as the documentation that the federal government has.
But here's what's troubling about, well, there's a number of things that are troubling, but, and either she was dishonest on national television, which I don't think she was, but she obviously didn't read the documents when they were released or before they were released, which is also egregious.
She should have known what was on those documents before she went on national television.
I just, if I may, I just have a slightly different take, which is if you're unfamiliar with any of the material, if you've never read the stories you have written or the book that I have written, many people don't know, for example, that Senator George Mitchell, the Senate majority leader, or Governor Bill Richardson, or the scientist Stephen Hawking, and A-list celebrities like Bill and Hillary Clinton who visited the island.
You and I know it, but most people don't know it.
Elhud Barak of Israel.
Most people don't know these things.
So it's possible, but she read, she did find shocking.
She didn't realize how much more the New York-based authorities have.
The question I asked earlier, and I ask you now, is what about the DVDs and the hard drives that the FBI took from Epstein's safes in New York City, Palm Beach, his Arizona ranch, and on his island?
I mean, first of all, do you believe that those exist?
Well, they were certainly taken out of his safe in New York City, and there were a number of CDs and various hard drives.
And the feds also found a lot of child rape material, and they seem to have vanished into a black hole.
Hopefully, federal law enforcement still has that information.
The media seems to be transfixed on just kicking out salacious dirt on these perpetrators.
And as you said in the introduction, the victims have completely gotten sidetracked in the feds investigation and also with the media.
According to federal sources, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures of child rape material.
And I'm not aware of the feds going to any of those victims.
Those victims are going to be damaged and scarred for life.
There are monsters like Jeffrey Epstein, and they really love to collect child rape material.
And those poor children, and now they're young adults, are going to be scarred for life.
And the federal government doesn't seem to want to help them.
The mainstream media doesn't seem to want to help them.
It's really up to activism at this point to make sure that the government does the right thing.
And that's why I formed Epstein Justice, because we want a congressional commission and we want the government to look into this matter.
We need perpetrators to be indicted and we also need victims to be helped out tremendously.
And so your organization is, of course, a nonprofit.
And if people want to contribute, if people want to contribute, where can they go?
Epsteinjustice.com.
That's about as simple as we can make it.
And our objective is very simple, too.
We want a congressional commission.
That's what we're buying for.
And that's what we want.
A congressional commission incorporates citizens and independent investigators.
And we can uncover truth.
Though there have been some very corrupt commissions in the past, like the Warren Commission, but that was a presidential commission.
That wasn't a congressional commission.
So what we need now is our congresspeople to step up, form a commission, and incorporate people with integrity and really good investigators.
And I think that we can, at that point, get to the bottom of all of this.
I mean, the truth of the matter is Epstein had essentially slipped the punch.
He had been caught.
The extent of his activities was known to state and federal prosecutors.
That he's been federally protected, we already know because when Michael Ryder, the police chief, objected to local Palm Beach County prosecutor Barry Kushner's decision to simply charge Epstein with solicitation, then bumped up to solicitation of a minor.
He went to the U.S. Attorney, Alexander Acosta, with the hopes that Acosta would actually seek justice in the case.
Acosta launched his own investigation, took some time, and then he rubber stamped the state's slap on the wrist for Epstein.
And Epstein was, as you know, convicted after his lawyers negotiated a sweetheart deal.
And then he was having gourmet meals brought into the air-conditioned Palm Beach County jail.
And the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office was essentially providing a security detail for Jeffrey's daily business meetings and rounds.
He only had to be in jail 12 hours a day.
He was free to be elsewhere and go about his business.
So we assume he went right back to his dirty deeds.
I have accredited Julie Brown with the Miami Herald continuing to pound on this story, which is why after being sentenced in Florida in 2008, it is not until 2019 that Epstein was arrested again, arrested at Teterborough Airport in New Jersey upon returning from Paris.
By the way, they did not use 29 heavily armed FBI agents to take him down.
And the FBI thoughtfully allowed him to throw a coat over his handcuffs so people couldn't see he was being arrested because they didn't want to embarrass him.
He was charged by federal prosecutors in New York with sex trafficking of minors in both Florida and New York.
And he was subsequently held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.
The FBI was much nicer to Epstein than they were to you, that's for sure.
That's precisely the point that I was making.
So when Acosta is asked, after he gets appointed Secretary of Labor, how he will handle this issue if it comes up, by the way, Donald Trump was never told that Acosta was the federal prosecutor who rubber stamped the Florida conviction of Epstein.
He says, well, if it comes up, I'll tell the truth, which is that the CIA told me that he worked for them.
My theory all along here has been that Epstein was an equal opportunity blackmailer.
He was a soldier for hire.
I suspect that he worked not only for U.S. intelligence, but conceivably also Israeli intelligence, Saudi intelligence.
I think he would work for anyone who was looking for dirt on very powerful people, which explains these tapes.
I find the question of how he got his instantaneous wealth very interesting.
He went from being a teacher at a private boy's school teaching math to being a multi-he was fired from that.
And then he was fired from Bear Stearns, too.
But that wasn't even a speed bump for his upward mobility.
Same with Epstein.
Go ahead, Rod.
We got about two and a half minutes here, and then we'll go to break and come back with it.
But as you know, his real financial breakthrough seems to come through when he acquires the power of signature over the wealth of the Les Wexner.
Les Wexner, precisely, the owner of Victoria.
CEO of Albrand, yes.
Wexner theory about that.
So Wexner gives Epstein total power of attorney over his entire financial empire.
Wexner cuts off all of his old friends, resigns from his country club, doesn't go to his high school reunion, becomes a bit of a recluse, and he gifts to Epstein the single largest private residence in the borough of Manhattan, New York City.
I do want to hear your theory on Les Wexner.
It was known, by the way, in Republican circles that Wexner's was a bit strange.
There were rumors that he was a pedophile, but they were nothing other than that, rumors.
But Epstein acquires his enormous wealth and he starts to live an extraordinarily opulent lifestyle.
When we come back, I want to ask Nick Bryant if there really is an Epstein quote-unquote list.
He gave a great interview last week in which he explained why he does not believe that is the case.
We'll talk a bit more about the bombshell Epstein case and where it might lead.
But I also want to talk to him about the single best book written about Watergate, The Truth About Watergate, a tale of extraordinary lies and liars by Nick Bryant.
Epstein's Enigmatic Wealth00:17:18
Nick is, by the way, not a Nixon fan, not a Republican.
I also don't think he's a Democrat.
I don't know his politics.
He's a straight-up investigative reporter who writes and reports and writes books where his research takes him.
So we'll be right back with Nick Bryant to get the inside skinny on Epstein.
Also, P. Diddy and what's going on there and the truth about Watergate.
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All right, as Prime Minister, investigative journalist and author Nick Bryant joins us now.
Nick, welcome to the zone, as I say.
What do you make of all this public tempest about Pam Bondi and the release of the Epstein list, as they say?
I was disappointed.
I thought we were going to get something substantial.
And she said on Fox News on national television that we were going to get something substantial.
And then we ended up with nothing sandwiched.
None of the information that she revealed, or none of the information that was revealed in those documents, really enlightened us about anything Jeffrey Epstein related.
And unfortunately, we're still in the dark as far as the documentation that the federal government has.
But here's what's troubling about, well, there's a number of things that are troubling, but either she was dishonest on national television, which I don't think she was, but she obviously didn't read the documents when they were released or before they were released, which is also egregious.
She should have known what was on those documents before she went on national television.
I just, if I may, I just have a slightly different take, which is if you're unfamiliar with any of the material, if you've never read the stories you have written or the book that I have written, many people don't know, for example, that Senator George Mitchell, the Senate majority leader, or Governor Bill Richardson, or the scientist Stephen Hawking, and the A-list celebrities like Bill and Hillary Clinton who visited the island.
You and I know it, but most people don't know it.
Elhud Barak of Israel.
Most people don't know these things.
So it's possible, but she read, she did find shocking.
She didn't realize how much more the New York-based authorities have.
The question I asked earlier, and I ask you now, is what about the DVDs and the hard drives that the FBI took from Epstein's safes in New York City, Palm Beach, his Arizona ranch, and on his island?
I mean, first of all, do you believe that those exist?
Well, they were certainly taken out of his safe in New York City, and there were a number of CDs and various hard drives.
And the feds also found a lot of child rape material.
And they seem to have vanished into a black hole.
Hopefully, federal law enforcement still has that information.
The media seems to be transfixed on just kicking out salacious dirt on these perpetrators.
And as you said in the introduction, the victims have completely gotten sidetracked in the feds investigation and also with the media.
According to federal sources, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures of child rape material.
And I'm not aware of the feds going to any of those victims.
Those victims are going to be damaged and scarred for life.
There are monsters like Jeffrey Epstein, and they really love to collect child rape material.
And those poor children, and now they're young adults, are going to be scarred for life.
And the federal government doesn't seem to want to help them.
The mainstream media doesn't seem to want to help them.
It's really up to activism at this point to make sure that the government does the right thing.
And that's why I formed Epstein Justice, because we want a congressional commission and we want the government to look into this matter.
We need perpetrators to be indicted and we also need victims to be helped out tremendously.
And so your organization is, of course, a nonprofit.
And if people want to contribute, if people want to contribute, where can they go?
Epsteinjustice.com.
That's about as simple as we can make it.
And our objective is very simple, too.
We want a congressional commission.
That's what we're buying for.
And that's what we want.
A congressional commission incorporates citizens and independent investigators.
And we can uncover truth.
Though there have been some very corrupt commissions in the past, like the Warren Commission, but that was a presidential commission.
That wasn't a congressional commission.
So what we need now is our congresspeople to step up, form a commission, and incorporate people with integrity and really good investigators.
And I think that we can, at that point, get to the bottom of all of this.
I mean, the truth of the matter is Epstein had essentially slipped the punch.
He had been caught.
The extent of his activities was known to state and federal prosecutors.
That he's been federally protected, we already know because when Michael Ryder, the police chief, objected to local Palm Beach County prosecutor Barry Kushner's decision to simply charge Epstein with solicitation, then bumped up to solicitation of a minor.
He went to the U.S. attorney, Alexander Acosta, with the hopes that Acosta would actually seek justice in the case.
Acosta launched his own investigation, took some time, and then he rubber stamped the state's slap on the wrist for Epstein.
And Epstein was, as you know, convicted after his lawyers negotiated a sweetheart deal.
And then he was having gourmet meals brought into the air-conditioned Palm Beach County jail.
And the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office was essentially providing a security detail for Jeffrey's daily business meetings and rounds.
He only had to be in jail 12 hours a day.
He was free to be elsewhere and go about his business.
So we assume he went right back to his dirty deeds.
I have accredited Julie Brown with the Miami Herald continuing to pound on this story, which is why after being sentenced in Florida in 2008, it is not until 2019 that Epstein was arrested again, arrested at Teterborough Airport in New Jersey upon returning from Paris.
By the way, they did not use 29 heavily armed FBI agents to take him down.
And the FBI thoughtfully allowed him to throw a coat over his handcuffs so people couldn't see he was being arrested because they didn't want to embarrass him.
He was charged by federal prosecutors in New York with sex trafficking of minors in both Florida and New York.
And he was subsequently held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.
The FBI was much nicer to Epstein than they were to you, that's for sure.
That's precisely the point that I was making.
So when Acosta is asked, after he gets appointed Secretary of Labor, how he will handle this issue if it comes up.
By the way, Donald Trump was never told that Acosta was the federal prosecutor who rubber stamped the Florida conviction of Epstein.
He says, well, if it comes up, I'll tell the truth, which is that the CIA told me that he worked for them.
My theory all along here has been that Epstein was an equal opportunity blackmailer.
He was a soldier for hire.
I suspect that he worked not only for U.S. intelligence, but conceivably also Israeli intelligence, Saudi intelligence.
I think he would work for anyone who was looking for dirt on very powerful people, which explains these tapes.
I find the question of how he got his instantaneous wealth very interesting.
He went from being a teacher in a private boys' school teaching math to being a multi-he was fired from that.
And then he was fired from Bear Stearns, too.
But that wasn't even a speed bump for his upward mobility.
Same with Epstein.
Go ahead, Rod.
We got about two and a half minutes here, and then we'll go to break and come back with it.
But as you know, his real financial breakthrough seems to come through when he acquires the power of signature over the wealth of the Les Wexner.
Les Wexner, precisely, the owner of Victoria.
CEO of Albrand's, yes.
Wexner had a theory about that.
So Wexner gives Epstein total power of attorney over his entire financial empire.
Wexner cuts off all of his old friends, resigns from his country club, doesn't go to his high school reunion, becomes a bit of a recluse, and he gifts to Epstein the single largest private residence in the borough of Manhattan, New York City.
I do want to hear your theory on Les Wexner.
It was known, by the way, in Republican circles that Wexner's was a bit strange.
There were rumors that he was a pedophile, but they were nothing other than that, rumors.
But Epstein acquires his enormous wealth and he starts to live an extraordinarily opulent lifestyle.
When we come back, I want to ask Nick Bryant if there really is an Epstein quote-unquote list.
He gave a great interview last week in which he explained why he does not believe that is the case.
We'll talk a bit more about the bombshell Epstein case and where it might lead.
But I also want to talk to him about the single best book written about Watergate, The Truth About Watergate, a tale of extraordinary lies and liars by Nick Bryant.
Nick is, by the way, not a Nixon fan, not a Republican.
I also don't think he's a Democrat.
I don't know his politics.
He's a straight-up investigative reporter who writes and reports and writes books where his research takes him.
So we'll be right back with Nick Bryant to get the inside skinny on Epstein.
Also, P. Diddy and what's going on there and the truth about Watergate.
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We're talking to investigative journalist Nick Bryant.
He is the man who broke the Jeffrey Epstein story in the United States with a series of blockbuster stories for Gawker.
Nick, we were talking about Les Wexner and the fact that Epstein suddenly accumulates wealth, apparently Wexner's wealth.
He rebrands himself as the man managing a billion-dollar hedge fund.
But as my friends who do run hedge funds say, it's a hedge fund that doesn't do any deals.
People in the hedge fund business knew he wasn't running a hedge fund.
You said you had a theory about Wexner.
So this is what I've been thinking about.
In 1987, Wexner gave Epstein the keys to his kingdom.
And over his billions, he could do whatever he wanted with that money.
And this is kind of funny.
You know, the mainstream media has been so disingenuous when covering this story.
Vannie B. Fair said, and this is kind of mind-boggling, but Vannity B. Fair said the reason why Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune was because he was lonely.
That's what Vanity Fair said.
And it even gets more absurd when you get to Leon Black.
Leon Black of Apollo gave Epstein $150 million.
And the mainstream media reported that Jeffrey Epstein was helping Leon save money from taxes, from the IRS.
Now, Leon Black, I'm sure he's got a floor in a high-rise dedicated to saving him money on his taxes.
So the excuses that the mainstream media has kicked out about this is really disingenuous.
But I will say this: I've been giving this a lot of thought.
And I think, so we have Les Wexner giving Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, potentially a couple billion dollars.
And then we have Leon Black giving him $150 million.
I think it's entirely possible that Jeffrey Epstein, and we talked about that earlier, he was an intelligence agent or certainly an intelligence asset.
He might have been laundering money under the auspices of him having power of attorney over Les Wexner and also of Leon Black giving him $150 million because he was going to save Leon Black from paying certain taxes.
I think that that is one of the things that's been percolating in my mind over the last couple of months is that Jeffrey Epstein was laundering money for intelligence.
I'm not 100% sold on that, but I think it's a pretty good barometer of what we've seen.
We certainly can't count on the mainstream media.
The mainstream media is telling us that Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his fortune in 1987 because he was lonely.
I mean, we really can't take that too seriously.
After you wrote your Gawker articles, before I wrote my book, we both came across a character named Steve Hoffenberg.
Hoffenberg, who is no longer with us, had gone to jail himself in an epic financial fraud, but Epstein had gone to work for Hoffenberg.
Hoffenberg predicted to both of us that Epstein's arrest by the FBI was imminent, that he would be charged with sex trafficking of minors in both Florida and New York.
We both sought to completely disregard what he said, but he turned out to be right.
Now we turn to the question of whether Jeffrey Epstein actually committed suicide.
The government tells us that he died in his jail cell on August 10th, 2019 at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges.
David Schoen, a lawyer he had just retained to defend him at trial, had been retained the day before, had had an extensive conference call with him, had lined up a four-point defense.
He points out that the coroner, Michael Badden, did an examination and said that the marks on Epstein's body were not consistent with suicide.
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What do you think happened there?
It's very obvious that there were many anomalies that night.
And they took his, his cellmate was taken out.
There were guards that were sleeping.
The video was down.
It's entirely conceivable that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, or maybe someone helped him commit suicide.
But I try not to focus on that too much.
I think it's a red herring to a certain degree because what we need is justice for Jeffrey Epstein's victims.
We can go around and around and around.
And the mainstream media has about whether he killed himself, whether he didn't.
Indications are that if he didn't kill himself, someone certainly helped him.
But my focus has been on justice for Epstein's victims.
And that's long overdue.
And the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Manhattan, Damien Williams, he was the one that oversaw Maxwell's trial when Maxwell was on, she was on trial.
She was on trial for a couple of different conspiracies.
One was trafficking and one was the intent to traffic.
And only four victims were called.
And the four victims that were called had only been molested by either Maxwell and or Epstein.
So they couldn't name a number of the other perpetrators.
That was a very carefully choreographed trial that ultimately found Maxwell and found her guilty and gave her 20 years.
And she was given, I mean, she's been in a Cush federal prison for the last couple of years.
She's living in a dormitory, which is definitely way beyond where she should be at this point.
Generally, only prisoners that have had exemplary behavior that are close to getting out are living in dormitories.
That's how it generally goes.
But Damien Williams is also the U.S. attorney that indicted P. Diddy.
And that grand jury was very, very crooked.
It indicted P. Diddy on one count of racketeering conspiracy, but like Maxwell, it didn't indict anybody else.
It's really hard to have a conspiracy when there's only one person that's responsible for the crime.
So I believe that Damien Williams was brought in to make sure that the Maxwell trial was carefully choreographed.
And then he was brought in to make sure that the P. Diddy trial or the P. D. D. grand jury for he was brought up for damage control for the P. Diddy grand jury.
And now that P. Diddy is waiting in jail, keeping his mouth shut like Maxwell, I think that he saw what happened to Epstein and he saw what happened to Maxwell.
And I think that P. Diddy said, well, you know, I think we're going to play this like Maxwell.
And after that, now Damien Williams has resigned from being the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District, which is considered the most powerful federal law enforcement agent.
But I found something very interesting when I was digging into him.
He was, he came out of the Clinton machine and Terry McAlloff.
And you could tell that he was reared by some very dirty politicians.
He was given a $100,000 grant to go through law school at Yale by the Paul and Daisy Soros Foundation, which gives grants to the children of immigrants.
His parents are from Jamaica.
But what's really interesting is that Peter Soros is on the board.
Nick, I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
I want to thank you for joining us again.
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Again, tell folks where they can go to help the Epstein victims.
Epsteinjustice.com, and we can use all your help.
All right, Nick Bryant, investigative journalist today, breaking news right here in the Stone Zone.
Until the next time, God bless you and Godspeed.
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