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	The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
	Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
	He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
	As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
	Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
	And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
	Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
	Yesterday, when I was returning from Jupiter, Florida, site of the biggest, most successful Trump boat parade in American history, put together by my good friend Carlos Gavidia, I heard the shocking news that there had been yet another assassination attempt on President Donald Trump.
	After I began to dig into it online, I learned that the man who allegedly was responsible for this threat against the president was a man named Vem Miller.
	Now, I knew Vem Miller only because I had appeared on his America's Happening podcast.
	Website, or I should say news outlet, to do a piece on my book on the Kennedy assassination.
	And I knew that Vem was partners with my old friend, Mindy Robinson.
	Documentary filmmaker, activist, patriot, and all around great American.
	So I reached out to Mindy immediately to find out the story.
	Vem Miller is going to join us himself here on The Stone Zone.
	But first, Mindy Robinson joins us for a few minutes to tell us about the Vem Miller she knows and what's really going on here.
	Mindy, welcome.
	Thank you for having me, Roger.
	It's always good to see you.
	Yes, I was surprised as anybody.
	I landed off an airplane yesterday to news that my business partner, my friend, had attempted to kill Trump.
	And I was like, no.
	My first thought was, you know, we do a lot of anti-government documentaries on our America Happens Network.
	We had just done one on the Bundy Ranch scandal, which is very damning to the feds.
	We're working on a sequel to my Las Vegas shooting documentary.
	So my first thought was, oh my God, you know, this is them.
	This is the feds going after them and rolling them up and trying to shut them up.
	And apparently I give the feds way too much credit on that.
	It really boiled down to like some really crap cop work, quite honestly.
	The sheriff's story really doesn't add up.
	Trump was complaining that the cop was making fun of him for being a Trump supporter, you know, the whole time he's going through his car.
	He had passes to be there.
	He was supposed to be there.
	Normally, we would go to these events together and work as media.
	So that was a lie.
	No one can claim where this threat was that he supposedly said.
	Who said it?
	Where it is?
	What's the proof?
	What body cam footage?
	It doesn't exist.
	And they're going to have a big problem when, you know, obviously, he has a case against me.
	Like, okay, what's this threat I said?
	Why would he ever make a threat against Trump after years of trying to help the guy, you know, get elected and getting the truth out there against the unit party in the deep state?
	You know, it makes no sense.
	And then for the cops to straight out lie about it.
	You know, it seems like the sheriff, I don't know if he's looking for clout.
	I heard he wants to run for governor of California.
	And this is gonna make him like a hero, like he actually did something.
	But all this stuff, I mean, he had guns in the car that were legal where we live in Vegas, but not so much in California.
	And I hope he at least uses this as a soapbox to expose how unconstitutional And ridiculous California gun laws are.
	He's like, I didn't know you had to travel with a magazine separate from the gun and two separate parts of the car.
	He's like, how do you protect yourself?
	I'm like, yeah, you don't.
	And that's sort of the point of ridiculous California gun laws.
	So, you know, this is going to highlight that issue.
	It's going to highlight the sheriff that lied and why they're lying.
	Why would they lie about that?
	That's an awful thing to lie about.
	Yeah, it's the amount of disinformation, the more I dig into this, that I keep reading in so-called legitimate news outlets.
	And Ben Miller himself is going to be on the show today, and he's going to have an opportunity to address each one of these claims against him.
	It's a shocking story.
	I wonder if the media has jumped on this because they want to normalize the idea of people trying to assassinate President Trump.
	Meanwhile, we have two previous genuine assassination attempts.
	Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events, is going to join us with some breaking news regarding the first attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, that he has uncovered.
	And then Vem Miller himself is going to join us, and I'm going to give him a chance to address every one of these false charges against him.
	Tell us about your—I think it's a three-part series on the misconduct of the federal government at the Bundy Ranch.
	Yes.
	Well, it is interesting to see all the same players as usual, the Harry Reid, the Lombardo, everyone that's always corrupt always seems to show up, you know, in these scandals.
	And a lot of people have heard of it, but they're not familiar with what it actually entails.
	But long story short, the federal government had been pushing American cattle ranchers just off their property, off their land, by claiming to own land that it looks like they don't, that they have absolutely no right to.
	And they were killing cattle.
	They were like, you know, the babies are dying without their mom.
	And then of course, you know, it's a very messed up story and Vem really dug into it and to see it come together.
	And unfortunately, our main whistleblower suspiciously died while we were making this documentary.
	I believe Vem thinks he was poisoned.
	This is the serious nature of the work that we do, which is why my first thought when I saw this was, oh God, you know, they set him up.
	And they still may crucify them yet over this, but hopefully not.
	Hopefully this actually speaks volumes to how corrupt our government is, and we really need to do something about it other than complain.
	Yeah, no, we're going to have an opportunity to speak with him directly about what charges are pending against him.
	Are any charges pending against him?
	I mean, first of all, he's free.
	It's been reported that he was bonded out for $5,000.
	I don't believe that's actually true.
	Again, there's no threat here, as I understand it, to kill the president.
	Ben Miller's been with the president at Trump events on at least 20 occasions.
	He's a strong, strong supporter of President Donald Trump.
	He served as a Trump caucus captain in your recent delegate selection caucuses in Nevada.
	He's met individual members of the Trump family.
	He's a Trump loyalist, so the idea that he would have motive to try to kill the president is absurd.
	I think, as I understand it, there are no federal charges pending against him.
	We're going to let him speak for himself later, but look, I want to thank you for getting onto your X account immediately and telling people the truth.
	In the meantime, Anybody who's ever had their picture taken with Van Miller, that would include Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Vivek Ramaswamy, Steve Bannon, myself, many, Newt Gingrich.
	I mean, many other conservative activists and luminaries.
	This guy doesn't fit the profile of someone who would wish any harm to Donald Trump.
	The way he was treated on site is shocking.
	But yeah, I think this is an overreaction by the Riverside County Sheriff.
	Maybe he has political aspirations.
	I don't know.
	Or maybe this was a low-level deputy who had some animus towards Trump supporters.
	Again, we're going to let Van Miller speak to this himself.
	Mindy, if people want to watch your documentary on the Bundys, which I think is historic, I know this case well.
	I traveled to Nevada.
	I lobbied President Trump for a pardon.
	For the Bundys, they made their land payments to the county, to the state of Nevada, who they argued actually owned the land, yet they were charged with not making payments to the federal government.
	This is one of the greatest hoaxes of all time and one of the greatest overreaches by the government.
	I mean, an armed attack On people who posed a threat to no one, and as I recall, with the sheriff at the time assuring them they were safe, when in fact they weren't.
	It's a stunning story.
	Where can people go again to see it?
	Well, the America Happens Network, we created that network so we could post their videos.
	I can't even get a video uploaded to YouTube anymore.
	It gets immediately taken down.
	So you can find all our documentaries, all our links there, all our podcasts are in one spot, just so that it doesn't get censored.
	So AmericaHappens.com.
	How do you feel about the upcoming election in Nevada?
	I mean, once corruption has concreted itself badly and this obvious, you don't vote your way out of it.
	And I'm looking forward to the shenanigans that we had last time.
	I mean, I'm a libertarian.
	My primary vote didn't matter.
	My other half is a Republican.
	He did not vote in the primary, but they have him down as voting.
	And it's still sitting on our counter.
	Kind of a problem.
	And I don't expect, you know, that they're not going to steal and cheat Nevada like they do last time.
	They got away with it.
	So why stop?
	It's pretty dim over here, quite honestly.
	Yeah, I know the last time I was in Nevada, I've told this story before, after I spoke, a man came up to me, he had five ballots, and they were all addressed to the same address, but in five different names.
	And I said, what is this?
	He said, well, this one is addressed to me.
	These other four, he says, are people who lived in my apartment before I did, but none of them within five years, and one of them as long ago as 15 years ago.
	Yet they're all on the voter list.
	They're still all on the voter file.
	Now, he said, look, if I was dishonest, I could cast every one of these votes.
	It would be illegal.
	I'm not going to do it.
	In fact, I'm not even going to send my own mail, and I'm going to go to the polling place on Election Day.
	But it does give you some demonstration.
	Of how corrupted the system in Nevada is.
	I do think that President Trump's position that there should be no tax on tips is particularly brilliant in Nevada, where the Culinary Union, which in Atlantic City they call the Hotel and Restaurant Workers Union, it's the same union, Is heavily reliant, their employees, their union members, heavily reliant on tips as part of their compensation.
	This was always one of the major pieces of Harry Reid's machine.
	Now, my sister's a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas.
	She's a member of the union.
	And she tells me that the shop stewards are telling her, her supervisors, that she must vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
	She also tells me not a single one of the women who work with her intend to do so, that they're all voting for Donald Trump.
	So perhaps, just perhaps, there is hope for the Silver State.
	Mindy, I want to thank you for jumping in here.
	I also want to thank you for taking my call yesterday afternoon when I was in absolute shock when I heard the fake news media version of what transpired here.
	Many thanks.
	Folks, please, I urge you to follow Mindy.
	You can find her on social media, where no doubt she's shadow banned, but she still posts great stuff.
	One other thing.
	If you have not seen Mindy's documentary on the Las Vegas shooter, I think it is the single best work on that entire scandal.
	She's got it pinned at the top.
	Of her profile on X. She's at I Heart Mindy, meaning I love Mindy.
	You can see it right there on the screen.
	I, the word Heart Mindy.
	Go sign up to follow her now if you don't already.
	She's a great American patriot.
	She's been a loyal friend of mine for many years now.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right, folks, thanks for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
	As I said, we have a lot to look forward.
	Jack Posobiec is going to join us momentarily.
	Jack has just been in Butler, Pennsylvania with the president and is going to break down some new news regarding the Butler, Pennsylvania assault on the president.
	Still more Questions there than answers.
	Every week we seem to learn something new.
	So guys, let me know when we have Jack and we'll go right to him.
	In the meantime, if you aren't doing it already, please go to the App Store and follow us at rumble.com slash Roger Stone.
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	All right, we're going to go right to him now.
	My good friend, Jack Posobiec, senior editor at Human Events, a great American patriot, a veteran of naval intelligence, a man who knows his way around.
	Jack, welcome to the Stone Zone.
	Oh, Roger, thank you so much for having me on today.
	And it's important to be on here as we heard this news about a potential third assassination attempt over the weekend, although I think that more information came out within moments throwing cold water on that.
	But at the same time, it really shows you the environment that Donald Trump and J.D. Vance are now operating in an environment Yeah, I've also heard the exact same thing.
	You've written a book about this, and I've been promoting the book because it's important people know the facts.
	Tell us quickly about that.
	Roger, thank you so much.
	The book is Bulletproof, the truth about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump.
	We've got breaking news that's coming out of this right here.
	Eric Olshan, the U.S. Attorney for Western Pennsylvania, we're told that he is not conducting a deep dive into this shooter whatsoever.
	He has not cracked open the files on his phone, his tablet.
	What he is doing instead, though, is looking at The father trying to go after him to pin this on him and potentially get up a big high-profile win.
	Yet we still don't know about the encrypted apps that were being used by the shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks on July 13th at the Butler Rally.
	And furthermore, information on Ryan Wesley Ralph is still few and far between them trying to push That court date, because again, Ryan Wesley Routh, this Ukrainian foreign fighter who was directly tied to the Azov Battalion.
	By the way, we put together that information using an AI image searching function that we have access to.
	We were able to find Ryan Wesley Routh, the second attempted Trump shooter.
	Down there at West Palm Beach, who also was able to penetrate the Secret Service, penetrate this cordon and bubble that President Trump had supposedly erected after July 13th.
	He is directly tied to this Azov Battalion.
	Again, Roger, this is why President Trump is now requesting military support, military airplanes, Military vehicles and even using decoys to try to travel around.
	So this book, Bulletproof, represents our first iteration in the preliminary investigation that we've been doing by hiring our own private investigators because, quite frankly, I do not trust the federal government and I don't think that anyone does when it comes to this question any forward.
	Bulletproof is the first independent review and independent investigation That has come out, and it will be coming out here now on October 22nd, available for pre-order.
	Look, Roger, President Trump looks like he has the momentum, but he and J.D. Vance also face serious threats.
	Yesterday, Jack, you make very effective use of your X profile.
	I saw where you took an image of your ballot, not the actual ballot, an image of your ballot, and you demonstrated with a check how you voted for Donald Trump to urge others to do so.
	You didn't put that on your actual ballot because you know it would spoil the ballot.
	This was an attempt to urge people to vote for Trump.
	So many of my friends went, why would Jack spoil his ballot?
	Jack did not spoil his ballot, folks.
	Of course not, Roger.
	And the ballot is perfectly fine.
	It's one of those, you know, like drawing an arrow to it or something like that.
	Yeah, I thought it was actually good because it reminds people that every single vote here will count.
	You've just been in Pennsylvania.
	Pennsylvania is ground zero of this election.
	We must carry Pennsylvania.
	I had Cliff Maloney on the show last week.
	Cliff's out there grinding every day, along with Scott Pressler, along with great people at Turning Point.
	We have a ground army that they don't have.
	We have enthusiasm and spirit and grit that they don't have.
	How are you feeling about the Keystone State right now?
	Well, Roger, it's very interesting.
	And as you mentioned, I spent the last 10 hours on the road driving all over eastern Pennsylvania, all the way up to Greeley, PA and northeast, which is Pike County, as well as down to Bucks County, Doylestown, Newtown, and to my own home county of Montgomery right outside of Philadelphia.
	And I've been going to Catholic churches.
	I've been going to speak to gun groups.
	I particularly focused on the Latin masses.
	I even went to the Polish language mass held there at Our Lady of Czestochowa, the Polish national shrine in Doylestown, Pennsylvania.
	Roger, there's a lot of people who are on fire for Trump.
	But I will tell you, I have never seen an election in the state of Pennsylvania that's been hotly as contested as this.
	There were billboards all the way up and down the northeast extension of the Pennsylvania Turb Pike, probably every five miles or so, all the way up into this area.
	And this is Northeast PA. This is towards Scranton.
	This is coal country.
	We're talking every five miles, a billboard for Kamala Harris.
	So she's got a lot of paid support.
	We're now talking about about $500 million, I heard.
	Just in this last statistic will be spent only on the state of Pennsylvania.
	Roger, it does look as though President Trump has the momentum, but I want people to be very clear about this, that she is spending a ton of money in those wards and in those areas fighting for every single vote she can get.
	They're trying to increase their turnout.
	And increasingly, Donald Trump's forces with Task Force 47, as well as the P.A. Chase, you mentioned Cliff Maloney, my brother's helping there.
	And Scott Pressler as well, who I've been working with, and even Tim Pool, who came out yesterday.
	They are encountering Kamala Harris' supporters and her ground teams there on the ground in the very same neighborhood going after these low-propensity jump ball voters.
	It's really going to be a very tight election in PA. Yeah, it's very, very interesting.
	I was looking at some of the comparisons in media spending today.
	People should understand Donald Trump is being vastly, vastly outspent.
	When you combine even all of the independent groups who are supporting Trump with his official campaign, the Democrats, being incumbents, having unfettered access not only to a torrent of fraudulent money-laundered contributions through Act Blue, but also millions of dollars of special interest incumbent money, they are outspending us dramatically.
	What they don't have is a candidate who can put a sentence together.
	What they don't have is a plan for America's future.
	All right, we got two minutes.
	Jack, tell folks one more time where they can go get this great book.
	Roger, thanks again so much.
	We're up on Amazon, Bulletproof.
	This is the first and only book that's written all about the Trump assassination attempt.
	This one, you need to come out, and I'm very honored that the forward was written by Donald Trump Jr.
	So you can get Donald Trump Jr.'s thoughts on this attempt, not just on a political figure, not just on a transformative figure, but on his own father.
	And of course, we're very honored that you, Roger, were able to give us a blurb Saying that this is the first book on the most consequential day in American political life since the days of JFK and Lyndon B. Johnson.
	It is.
	I'm really looking forward to this, folks.
	Get your order in now because I suspect it's going to have to go to a second printing almost immediately.
	It's going to sell out quick in the first printing.
	You want to get your hands on this.
	Jack, are you going to update it as we go along?
	We will, Roger.
	And in fact, we probably have enough information to update it almost immediately.
	So as the iterations from our private investigators come out, and that's when you buy the book, the proceeds will actually go to fund our private investigation.
	The shoe leather that's on the ground in Bethel Park We're good to go.
	All right.
	I want to thank our good friend Jack Posobiec, senior editor at Human Events, for joining us with a quick update.
	And folks, get your copy of the book today.
	Jack, God bless you and stay strong, keep fighting.
	It's only about, what, three more weeks.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And in Pennsylvania, you can vote right now.
	All right.
	If you're a keystoner, get in there and vote.
	Many thanks.
	God bless, Roger.
	All right, folks.
	If you're watching the polls, if you're a Trump supporter, if you see that the momentum is with the president, well, it is, but you should take nothing for granted.
	I told you I went to the greatest Trump boat parade in American history.
	By greatest, I mean the biggest, the most colorful.
	It was a great, great experience put together by my good friend Carlos Gavidia, a selfless patriot who worked very hard to do this.
	There was an American music concert the day before.
	My good friend General Flynn spoke there, as did I. And the next day, it was an extraordinary, extraordinary experience.
	The only thing I've ever done to compare it was the one that Carlos put on in 2020.
	But a lot of the folks I talked to were speaking with a level of confidence.
	I would say I would have to call it overconfidence.
	We have this one.
	It's going to be a landslide.
	It's in the bag.
	I saw Dick Morris There was no slouch in politics the other day on Newsmax, predicting a Reagan-like landslide.
	I don't think we can rest.
	I think our greatest enemy right now could be overconfidence.
	You heard the president say it in his rallies in California, also on his way to California.
	In Nevada, we need to at least try to make it too big to rig.
	Every single vote will count.
	Nothing can be taken for granted.
	So what I urge people to do, it's worked for me, is to go through your contact list on your phone, and I guarantee you, you will find people that you don't know whether they are registered, you don't know if they're intending to vote.
	And therefore, every single person who supports Donald Trump should commit to finding five others That they weren't certain we're going to vote to get them out to vote.
	It's going to be that close.
	We should take nothing for granted, in my opinion.
	We're waiting for Vem Miller, the man who has been accused in the media of threatening to assassinate the president.
	We don't believe that most of what has been reported in the media is accurate, but we're going to let Mr.
	Miller speak for himself.
	He joins us momentarily.
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	Our producers will let us know when Ben Miller is with us.
	But in the meantime, I am shocked by this story because I think we're getting a dose of fake news media.
	All of these reports, I think I'm going to let Mr.
	Miller speak for himself, but I think these reports are inaccurate.
	In the meantime, I do want to say that I think we have a realignment going on in the country today that is extraordinarily incredible.
	You have Dick Cheney, what's left of the McCain family, Adam Kinzinger, now all endorsing the candidate of war, Kamala Harris, yet you have Died-in-the-wool Democrats like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Rod Blagojevich supporting President Donald Trump.
	That's because this is a new Republican Party.
	This is the party of common sense.
	This is the party of working-class Americans.
	So we're going to see, I think, an extraordinary realignment The latest polls are encouraging.
	Fabrizio McLaughlin out with a poll.
	Tony Fabrizio, my opinion, the single best pollster in the country, reporting that Donald Trump now leading in every swing state, leading admittedly marginally, but leading nonetheless.
	Yet almost every one of these leads are within the margin of error.
	Now, polling What you have to remember is static.
	It means it is a snapshot in time.
	It is only good for that episecond in which it has been taken, and therefore it is very quickly outdated.
	But what you're looking for is direction.
	What you're looking for is the direction of the polling and the direction of this race clearly moving towards Donald Trump.
	That is why they have rolled out Kamala Harris for a series of interviews.
	Remember, after she was first designated in an entirely non-democratic process, a process in which there was no democracy involved, they were not allowing her to do a press conference.
	She was doing no one-on-one interviews.
	So now they have shifted their strategy and they have her doing interviews, but most of those interviews are turning out to be a disaster.
	You have a situation in which Trump's rallies are getting larger and larger.
	There is a growing confidence among their supporters.
	And putting her out to speak, well, may turn out to be a greater problem than a benefit.
	There is hysteria within the Democratic Party.
	They are apoplectic at the direction of this election.
	But three weeks in American politics is a lifetime, is an absolute lifetime, and nothing, again, should be taken for granted.
	In the meantime, since Jack spoke about his book on assassination, if this is a topic that interests you, if you are interested in history, in politics, well, then I have to take the opportunity to recommend my own book,
	The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ. This is a New York Times bestseller in which I make the case That Lyndon Baines Johnson was the head of a cabal that included the CIA,
	organized crime, big Texas oil, the Secret Service, who I document in the book, laid down on John F. Kennedy the way they laid down on John F. Kennedy.
	President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, in my opinion.
	But this is, I think, A New York Times bestseller for a good reason.
	You can get your copy by going to TheManWhoKilledKennedy.com TheManWhoKilledKennedy.com We are still waiting for Ben Miller to join the show.
	We've not found him yet, but he's supposed to join us momentarily.
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	It's amazing to me the way Kamala Harris She seeks to reinvent herself now in the final three weeks of the election.
	So in these recent interviews, she never mentions her support for ending cash bail for violent criminals.
	She never mentions her fundraising for the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which was used to bail out Antifa and BLM activists, criminals, who had been arrested and languished in jail.
	She also cast the tie-breaking vote for the American Rescue Plan, which economists agree fueled inflation.
	She obviously quite famously supported defunding the police.
	Her comments comparing policing To slavery don't seem to come up in the news.
	Her repeated praise of Bidenomics, which she told us had been wildly successful.
	Her support for American taxpayers paying for the health care of every American.
	We are amazed, I am amazed, that she continues to hide her very real record.
	While we're waiting for them, why don't we pull up, if we could, the three-minute documentary, which now has over five million views regarding Kamala Harris's abuse of a woman named Shari Peoples.
	That has now, I think, hit over five million views on the internet.
	She talks about her prosecution of Of gangs, of the drug cartels, about drug criminals.
	But in truth, as a prosecutor, we know that a drug dealer had to have three arrests before she would prosecute them for drug distribution.
	Not very hard lines.
	Do we have the Cherie Peoples video?
	All right.
	We'll have it up for you in one moment.
	Folks, I also will take a minute.
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	We talked about the very real possibility that Tim Walsh is in fact a CCP asset.
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	All right, we're now going to go to the man of the hour, Vem Miller, the man who has been falsely accused in the mainstream media of trying to threaten or assassinate the president, a man who you might imagine is under extraordinary stress today, but has been good enough to join us here in the Stone Zone.
	Vem, welcome to the Stone Zone.
	How are you doing, Roger?
	Pleasure to be on your show.
	I hope you're feeling better today, my brother.
	Yeah, it's surprising.
	You know, the support from a lot of the folks that are passionately in love with freedom has been pretty incredible.
	Most of the people I know have actually been texting me saying or calling me saying that there's no way that I would have even thought about doing this.
	So, you know, frankly, I'm feeling a lot of love right now.
	I'm not feeling very stressed at all.
	I feel like this is all, you know, there's a bigger purpose for all of this.
	I feel blessed, to be honest with you.
	Well, let's clear up a lot of things that have been printed in the mainstream media that I don't believe are true.
	First of all, you are a Trump supporter.
	You are a Trump caucus captain getting out the vote for him in Nevada.
	You've been at Trump campaign events on 20 occasions.
	You've met the president.
	You've met members of his family.
	You've been for him from the very beginning.
	You're a conservative Thank you.
	Yeah, no, that's not true.
	And by the way, just to show the viewers here, I got the ticket that they gave me because that's what they gave me.
	I'm just going to cover up my driver's license number in case there's anybody crazy trying to get my hat dress out there.
	But this is the ticket that they gave me.
	It's a ticket.
	So there was no $5,000 bond.
	In the citations area, they have two things that they cited me for.
	Frankly, both that I believe are unconstitutional.
	But let's just talk about what those two citations are.
	One is for...
	Having a loaded mag and a gun, right?
	So in California, apparently you got to have the mag and the gun separated, which I have major issues with because criminals that are trying to kill you or harm you are not going to have the mag separated.
	So in loading up a gun and then having to cock it back to actually fire...
	That's a lot of time, and somebody could lose their life in that time.
	So I actually think this sort of thing presents danger to we the people, so I don't like it.
	But it's also something that we don't have in Nevada.
	In Nevada, you could actually have your loaded gun, and they don't say anything.
	But in California, they've added that extra, what I call a statutory law, what's called a statutory law, which is interesting because a lot of times statutory laws conflict with our constitutional rights.
	And negate our constitutional rights.
	And they should not exist, frankly, in my opinion.
	But the second thing is that, so when I bought a gun, I'm a gun novice.
	I only bought a gun because due to the work that we do at the America Happens Network and exposing corruption and creating documentaries and podcasts and that sort of thing, I started getting death threats in 2022, both emailed to me and also mailed to my home, including Scrabble pieces that spell the word dead.
	And once this started happening to me, you know, I hang out, as you know, with Mindy Robinson and other Individuals that are also exposing things.
	And the opinions I got from these individuals was that, you know, you should buy a gun, you should buy some firearms to make sure that you are protected in case something happens.
	So, you know, I purchased firearms for that reason, although I have to be very clear that, you know, I... Don't know much about guns.
	And apparently the gun that I bought had two lines of bullets, two double chamber, I think they call it.
	So you have double the amount of bullets than a single chamber would.
	And apparently that's also, according to statutory law, illegal in California.
	But it's a misdemeanor, right?
	It's a ticket.
	So that's why what I ended up with at the end of the day after all this nonsense was a ticket, right?
	But what you don't find within this ticket is, you know, fake passports.
	Fake passports is a felony, right?
	Government documents forged is a felony.
	You spend time in prison for that.
	But, you know, funny enough, that's not on there, you know?
	What's also not on there is they said I had a fake license plate.
	That's not on there.
	So their story, you know, once you actually look at the evidence, kind of doesn't make sense because, you know, either they're completely incompetent, and I committed a bunch of felonies, like having forged documents, fake passports, fake license plates, you know, and they let me go, which would indicate they're incompetent, or there was no truth to it at all.
	Sounds like the latter.
	So just to be absolutely clear, you obviously...
	Never made any threat whatsoever against the president.
	No, no.
	And in fact, I was just on another show and, you know, there's not many people I would jump in front of a bullet for.
	There really isn't because I see what I do as being, you know, valuable, you know, in terms of exposing, revealing what is happening.
	So I might not jump in, I don't want to sound any form cruel or being elitist, if If I feel like, you know what, I gotta be around longer than that person, then I wouldn't jump in front of that bullet.
	But if Donald Trump was getting shot at, that's a man that I would jump in front of and I would save that man's life and literally let them take my own.
	You know, I think with what's happening in this world, he's been one of the few that have been courageous enough to stand up against his tyranny.
	To call out the fake news, by the way, that I've been part of, Roger, for, you know, when I say fake news, I'm talking about the media.
	I'm talking about the way the media works in Hollywood.
	And I've been in that world since the early 90s.
	I've seen it.
	That's why when you start saying things like fake news, I'm like, dude, like, that's what I've been...
	Which, by the way, when I came up with this America Happens Network in the early 2000s, based upon the cancel culture era of George W. Bush and a lot of the stuff that happened with the Patriot Act over there, that's really the birth of America Happens, right?
	So when Donald Trump got out there and he started saying fake news, that really, I mean, that hit my heart because I was like, you know, I've been knowing this is fake news.
	And I've actually was moonlighting while making music videos and making TV shows as somebody that was covering things like the Iraq war protests, the nonsense that was happening with that war, Occupy Wall Street, the cronyism of the Bush administration.
	And so, you know, Donald Trump comes along and he is basically telling Jeb Bush, you know, how corrupt him and his family are, talking about fake news.
	And that definitely resonated with me based upon the evolution and experiences I had had until that point.
	So I want to knock these down one by one.
	So you did not have a fake license plate?
	No, no.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	If there was anything unlawful about my license plate, they would have cited me, you know, and that's not on the citation.
	Now, there's also an allegation in several media outlets that your pass for the event was a forgery.
	Oh, no.
	Earlier today, you were given the pass by the Republican county chairman in Clark County, Jesse, who's a friend of mine also.
	You had been a precinct captain, essentially a caucus captain for him.
	So your path to the event was completely legitimate, correct?
	Yes.
	The reason why I was looking down is because I'm just going to actually just show it to you guys here.
	This is my email account.
	You could see it's like, I'm hoping you could see all that.
	It's like directed to me.
	This is the Trump Vance thing.
	There's a lot of directions that they give you where to show up, where to park, all that kind of stuff.
	And as you scroll down, eventually you're going to come to the special parking pass, which lets you into the region where you park your car.
	And then you, oh, there we go.
	That's the special parking pass right there.
	So that was directed right to me, sent to me, and I was a legitimate special invitee.
	And, um, pretty much that's all there is to that, you know, and if you actually look backtrack on my emails, you will see that there's four different emails, October 11th and October 12th.
	I got multiple versions of this.
	Uh, I think they thought there was more people coming with me.
	Uh, so yeah, you know, it was, I was spent directly special passes.
	Now, during this experience, were you ever questioned by the secret service or the FBI? Uh, no.
	No, no.
	I, in fact, offered on multiple occasions.
	Because what happened was I got stuck with this arresting detective or arresting police officer that clearly was anti-MAGA. And he has said things that indicated he was anti-MAGA, anti- You know, the Trump movement.
	So I started thinking, you know, he keeps saying that these Secret Service and FBI want to interrogate you, and I thought, you know, that's a great opportunity to get to a higher class of intelligent individual that will clearly see this is all nonsense.
	And I kept saying, I really want to talk to those guys, I really want to talk to those guys, because I figured once those guys heard me talk, saw the evidence, saw the facts, Then they could have hopefully advised this individual, so my car wouldn't have been taken, all my equipment wouldn't have been taken.
	I mean, I have like $250,000 worth of equipment and intellectual property that is still sitting in an impound that I can't even get to until tomorrow, and they're making that difficult, so I'm not even sure I'm going to get my car back.
	And this might turn into a legal nightmare of just trying to get my car and equipment back, right?
	So I was trying to prevent that from happening.
	So I thought to myself, if I could talk to some of these, you know, Secret Service and federal agents, then they would realize that this is all nonsense.
	They might advise this individual that, look, man, you know, leave this guy alone, right?
	But what happened instead is when I offered, so I told the federal agents and the Secret Service, I said that, you know, I want to call my lawyer.
	And this, by the way, this arresting officer never allowed me to have my phone call.
	And I'm talking about over the course of 12...
	13 hours, sorry, 10 hours.
	I never got my phone call, right?
	So I figured when finally I met the Secret Service and federal agents, I figured this was a great opportunity to essentially, you know, get my phone call.
	And so what I told them is like, guys, I would love to talk with you, right?
	I would love to talk with you, but let's do it this way.
	Let me make my phone call.
	You could overhear my conversation with my lawyer as I lay the facts down.
	It's a very traumatic experience trying to explain this story and recite all the craziness that happened that day.
	And you could listen to it, take all your notes, whatever, and when I'm done with the call, you could ask me any question you want whatsoever.
	And the next thing they did is they left the location, didn't ask me a single question, and basically that was the end of that.
	To just be very clear, folks, Van Miller faces no federal charges whatsoever in connection with an effort to assassinate Donald Trump.
	It's not what USA Today says.
	That's not what a slew of other newspaper headlines said late yesterday.
	The worst part of this, as I watched the video you put up, is they put you in the backseat of a police car in the blazing sun in California for four hours with no air conditioning.
	This was like a steam bath.
	You were dehydrated.
	They wouldn't give you your water.
	That's cruel and inhuman punishment.
	I mean, it's almost beyond belief.
	And of course, if you had passed out, or if they had to take you to the hospital, they would have been able to continue to So, folks, no, he wasn't bonded out for $5,000 after threatening to kill the president.
	That's a lie.
	You've heard him say it here today.
	He did not have fake license plates.
	They seem to be interested in the fact that you consider yourself a sovereign citizen.
	Explain the sovereign citizen Just quickly to our followers, because no, it's not some radical domestic terrorist group.
	Go ahead.
	You know, I think classification in words is very important here.
	You know, as you know, Roger, from your amazing book about the JFK assassination, you know, they create words to essentially make certain people look bad, like conspiracy theories, right?
	Which, from what I understand, was created and used specifically to cover up things like the JFK assassination.
	So we got to be very careful of their words.
	And part of those words is this idea of sovereign citizen that actually makes no sense When you understand the root meaning of those words, they contradict each other, right?
	They don't make sense.
	And that's why I'm very hesitant to use the word sovereign citizen together because, no, I'm not part of that kind of movement.
	That's a nonsensical movement.
	It's a non-existent movement.
	It's a misnomer, right?
	What there is out there is laws that really have been concealed from us because our legal industry is run by the bar, which is an unlawful monopoly.
	There's no competing bar, and as you can see how that's manifested itself is in massive corruption in our judicial ranks, like using the courts for political witch hunts.
	Like using the courts, like the family courts, to separate families for financial gain.
	Financial gain that was put in there by, you know, by Hillary Clinton, by the way, where people are incentivized to destroy families, lawyers, judges, all that stuff, to basically make a whole bunch of money, right?
	So there's that law.
	There's the law of the bar.
	There's a law of what we call attorneys.
	And then there's the real law.
	There's common law.
	There's common law.
	You have the biblical law.
	Then the lineage was Magna Carta.
	Then the lineage was Constitution.
	That is the pure form of law, right?
	Which, by the way, they don't want you to know because that involves the people having power and the people not being cattle, chattel, whatever their terminology is, a.k.a.
	slaves, right?
	So my interest of study has been in that form of law, because that form of law, once you really understand, it really supersedes any of the statutory law, maritime law, whatever nonsense they've created where, you know, law that exists three miles out in the ocean that they use upon us.
	With law which exists that says that, you know, when we put your name in uppercase and make you a corporate entity, you're a dead entity.
	So you're basically this ward that we could do whatever we want with.
	I mean, this is real things that they put in place to keep us in a state of slavery, to keep us away from the original biblical law, common law, Magna Carta law, which is the law of we, the people.
	And that is the area of interest I'm very fascinated with.
	That is an area of interest that I constantly study.
	It involves trust law as well.
	It involves knowing your rights.
	It involves you knowing how to get out of your trust ward relationship because the United States is a trust and there's wards.
	And when you're dealing with a trust-ward relationship, ward basically means you're too incompetent to deal with your own affairs, affairs, legal and otherwise, right?
	So if you could get beyond that, if you could get above the statutory law and get to a point where now you're dealing with common law, trust law, you are in a much higher position.
	And that is There's remnants of what they refer to as sovereign citizen in there.
	But once you take out that title, sovereign citizen, and you go to the true lineage of these laws, and you learn about these laws, it's far superior and powerful.
	And by the way, there's a reason why they want to call you named so you are dissuaded from understanding this law.
	If you understand this form of law, then you could truly attain another level of freedom.
	All this stuff, you know, like what happened, you know, in terms of even getting, you know, this ticket over here, it's a victimless crime, right?
	Why are people being punished for victimless crimes, really?
	And, you know, as you've gone through the system and gone through the torturous process of being in jail and being next to a schizophrenic psychopath and a guy just stabbed somebody and being, you know, why did I just get arrested?
	And you realize it's because You know, you had a mag in a gun, which is totally fine in most states, but in California it's not, and you realize it's because you had a few more bullets than they want you to have in their gun, and now you're sitting next to a crazy person that might kill you.
	You know, obviously this influences people, and you know, you see things like You know, January 6th, for example, where people that are pissed off that have been subjugated to this kind of oppression, this kind of ward trust relationship where they feel like they're treated like invalids and things like this, what happened to me happened.
	You know, of course, people are going to be like, feel like the system's not protecting them.
	They're going to feel like they need to find a better option.
	Some of these people go into what is called sovereign citizen.
	I highly recommend you go, you don't go Go down that route, whoever's watching this out there, because there is far superior law that makes logical sense as opposed to something like sovereign citizen.
	Like I said, it contradicts itself.
	It's a misnomer.
	And once you are studied in this higher form of law, it does empower you To, frankly, live a better life.
	Live a better life and not be bullied by these authoritarian bullies like these sheriffs that think they could go around accusing me that I'm an assassin, getting on television.
	And, you know, by the way, this morning I heard that he was very upset at the press for even questioning him.
	Well, you know, that's like a dictator's behavior.
	What a real investigator does is says, okay, here's the evidence.
	You know, this guy did it and here's the video.
	But he didn't have that.
	So what does he do?
	He acts like a tyrant dictator.
	And that is really the distinguishing characteristics of why people study the kind of law that I am fascinated with, which, you know, parts of that is sovereign citizen, they say, but that's not really what it is.
	It's really about a higher form of law, trust law.
	We come to what I think is the most important question here, Ben, because I've read all this stuff.
	It's a tissue of lies.
	You've knocked them down here one by one.
	Are you going to bring a lawsuit against the Riverside County Sheriff's Office?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	It's a necessity right now.
	I'm being told that this is going to cost ungodly amounts of money for them.
	There's a Kyle Rittenhouse case, which is a good example of somebody's life and reputation being destroyed.
	I'll give you an example, Roger.
	Today I'm walking.
	I went to get some clothes because all my clothes are impounded.
	And, you know, there's a guy on his cell phone, he kind of looks down, he looks up, and his eyes kind of pop open.
	He looks down, he looks up, and I'm realizing, you know, this is my Dr.
	Richard Kimball moment from The Fugitive, where this guy obviously saw a picture.
	I mean, he's like, whoa, that's an assassin walking around trying to buy some underwear.
	You know what I mean?
	So now I'm like, OK, am I going to spend the rest of my life?
	You know, and as you know, we have crazy people on both sides of the aisle.
	Is there somebody out there that's going to want to cause me harm thinking that I tried to assassinate somebody like Donald Trump?
	And he thinks he's actually doing a good thing because he's been watching the mainstream media.
	So you understand, like, the danger, the implications this is happening.
	This story went global.
	So it's absolutely necessary that I sue the crap out of these people.
	And not just sue them.
	The suit is like, you know, part of it where, you know, the money will be good and there is some restitution that's certainly necessary for really the crimes that they committed against me.
	But then, you know, the more important issue is that department needs to clean up.
	That department needs to go through such a public example of what happens to people that operate under the color of law, people that abuse their power to commit crimes.
	That has to be brought to attention.
	These people that, you know, the sheriffs, the deputy sheriff that blatantly broke the law and violated my rights need to be held accountable because, as we've seen in our history, when tyrants and bad guys aren't held accountable, what happens?
	They think that they could do the same thing over and over again.
	Look, people are sometimes right and left, Republican, Democrat.
	I try to be more about the person.
	I definitely think that what George W. Bush did to this country was not good.
	Sorry, I got to interrupt you because we got a hard out here.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	It's been invaluable because you've had an opportunity to knock down every one of these false claims against you.
	Wish you luck with your lawsuit.
	If you set up a give, send, go, we will certainly spread it right here on the Stone Zone.
	I want to thank Vem Miller for joining us today, and I'm glad we had this opportunity for you to correct the record.
	Vem, thanks for joining us.
	I'm Roger Stone.
	Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
	A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people love him.
	Not everybody, but people love him and respect him.
	Roger Stone.
	Where's Roger Stone?

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