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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. - Well, there could be no other more solid evidence that Barack Obama is the One orchestrating the attempted pressure to get Joe Biden out of the race, then the New York Times op-ed by George Clooney, the actor.
We're told that Clooney conferred with Obama before publication of that piece, but I suspect it was the other way around.
My sources tell me that Joe Biden at this point is sequestered by his son, Hunter, acting as the gatekeeper and chief political advisor, of course, with the support of Dr. Jill, who doesn't want Joe to drop.
Hunter's conflict of interest is obvious, but even Joe in his lucid moments may realize that he, his brother, his son, and other members of the Biden crime family may need a pardon.
So they're blaming the staff, which is a mistake because the staff then goes and leaks further evidence of the infirmity of Joe Biden.
Now, last night, when he did both a NATO speech and a Q&A press conference, where he needed a home run, he barely got a double, but all of the oxygen has been taken up focusing on the fact that he incorrectly referred to his own vice president as Vice President Trump, which if he had caught himself and corrected himself, he probably could have gotten away with, but that has taken all of the news.
Yet reaffirming the public narrative that Joe is not all there.
To help break all of this down, not only this, but also the latest duelings at the Republican National Convention, first is my co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith.
Troy, welcome to the Stone Zone.
Roger, as always, it's an honor to be here back in the Stone Zone, and I feel like we're heading into war here at the RNC.
It's going to be a hell of a showdown, and I'm happy to be here in the Stone Zone to help cover it.
Well, to help us discuss what's already happened in Milwaukee and what will happen, Mike Crispi joins us.
Mike Crispi is not only a Trump delegate from New Jersey.
He is a former congressional candidate, currently the host of Mike Crispy Unafraid, one of the most popular daily streaming shows right here on Rumble.
By the way, folks, get the Rumble app and when you do, set notifications for the Stone Zone and also for Mike Crispy Unafraid.
Mike also does a late night show called Last Call, which is also excellent.
Let's also mention that Mike is one of the founders of the Italian-American Civil Rights League, and he is the leader of a grassroots America First movement in New Jersey.
Mike Crispi joins us in the Stone Zone.
Oh, thank you very much, Roger.
Great introduction.
I appreciate it.
And yeah, we're back from Milwaukee.
We're going to go back on Monday morning and the convention is about to get rolling and we had a great start.
So look forward to talking about it.
Yeah.
Some very interesting things here.
I think it's very clear that the platform committee adopted a platform that is a perfect reflection of the populist conservative revolution as envisioned by Donald Trump.
In order to try to distract attention from Joe's deterioration and their internal fighting, the Democrats are trying to tag Donald Trump with something called Amendment Agenda 2025, put together by conservatives at the Heritage Group.
There may in fact have been some Trump supporters involved in putting together that dome, but that's not Donald Trump's platform.
That's not what he's running on.
That's not what he's committed to.
Notice the Democrat Fake news machine in two areas here.
One is this constant hammering on 20 agenda 2025 as if anybody's going to read it.
But then secondarily, they're also trying to recycle this idea that Trump had an extensive relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
Based on recently released documents that don't really show us anything we didn't already know, that Trump cut Epstein off after he, prior to his being convicted of a sex crime in Florida, never took any campaign contributions or charitable contributions from him, unlike the Clintons, never visited his island, and the two times he was on his plane, he was with his wife and his daughter, flying from New York to Palm Beach and back,
When Trump's plane was in for service.
Anyway, let's get back to the convention.
You were Trump's point man on the Rules Committee.
That must have been a great experience.
Oh, it absolutely was.
You know, the beauty of the Republican Party today, Roger, is that it looks like nothing from 2016, 2015.
You know, back then, President Trump was coming in and he was taking over from the neocon wing of the party.
And I was pleased to say that now, in 2024, being on the Rules Committee, And being there in the room, also fortunate enough to be a designated whip for President Trump on the Rules Committee, that it passed with flying colors and the room understands the most important fact of this convention coming up.
And that is, this is President Trump's party.
These are his rules that he put out.
The platform was his platform that he put out.
And I said it in the committee meeting when I spoke.
I said, listen, everybody here who wants to change things or wants to push their ideology and, you know, is trying to co-opt the movement in some way, shape or form.
You mentioned that, you know, Project 2025 thing.
Everyone's trying to put these narratives out, but there's only one narrative that matters.
It's the narrative that comes down from the Trump campaign, the rules they want.
They should get them the platform that they want.
They should get it because obviously President Trump has built this party to historic new levels of support from a extremely broad coalition.
So it was my great honor to be in that meeting and to speak up for the campaign.
And to, you know, there wasn't a lot of people, maybe like, you know, two, three, four or five troublemakers who didn't agree with the president's agenda.
But, you know, we quickly discarded of them.
We passed the rules.
And I think it's going to be really great when the convention week starts up, because there's going to be an extremely stark contrast.
The Democrats, when they do their convention, are going to be in disarray.
Biden said the delegates can be unbound.
They're going to be chaos.
There's going to be fighting.
And I said in the committee meeting, The beauty of the RNC this year is it's going to be the most well-oiled machine, smoothest run, most unification.
And so I think that was the message that we had in the Rules Committee meeting.
I heard that was the same thing in the Platform Committee meeting.
So I'm looking forward to a big week, Roger, and it's going to be a lion's share of people coming out for Trump.
No one's going to be able to do anything otherwise, like try to create any funny business.
This is Trump's party confirmed.
The platform I think is very notable.
It reminds me very much of Reagan's 1980 platform.
War and Peace.
It is a straightforward presentation of the individual things that Trump is for.
Trump, for example, is, I'm sorry, he's opposed to extending the age before which you can get Social Security, and he's opposed to looking at your outside income beyond your Social Security benefits to potentially use that as a rationale to cut your benefits.
Sorry, Trump has opposed that his entire life, including the time That he's been in politics.
So I just use that as an example.
I also think the platform committee came up with a pro-life position, which keeps a broader coalition of pro-life supporters on board.
There are some people who would like stricter restrictions on abortion.
There are a few people in the party who like less, but this is a reflection of Donald Trump's position.
He's pro-life with three exceptions.
Just like Ronald Reagan.
No, we're not for a national anti-abortion law.
In fact, we fought for 30 plus years to return this decision where it belongs, with the states.
So I think that was an accomplishment and I saw a letter co-signed by a number of leaders of the major pro-life organizations Not all of whom got everything they wanted, but in support of the final plank.
So I think the Trump team did an excellent job in this regard.
Troy, you're on deck.
What would you like to ask the man who's already been to Milwaukee and seen what's about to unfold?
Well, my question, Mike, would be, you mentioned the troublemakers there, and I'm interested to know what these people, like Roger mentioned the pro-life thing, I think maybe you have some people that were worried about that, but I was interested to see, like, what were the points of contention with these people, and what were they really trying to fight back on?
I love to hear that there's unity, but I'm interested to hear what their qualms were.
Well, I mean, these were all people who, and if you look at them, and I started looking in their background as a journalist, like we all are on this show, looking at the background of these people, and these are people who didn't even support President Trump in 2016, okay?
I looked at the backgrounds of the very small, I'm talking like two, three people, okay, in a room of, you know, 200 plus who were in support in the committee.
These people were never Trumpers to begin with.
So I think that they were just trying to disrupt the proceedings.
I think that, again, that they for some reason feel that, you know, the Trump movement isn't the movement that's going to take this party to the future.
They're in Delusionville, right?
I mean, these people are nuts.
So the points of contention that they were making was they were trying to disrupt the rules proceeding with like these little ticky-tack things.
We want to move dates of primaries and we want, you know, this provision in the rule of the convention to be able to do this.
It was like small stuff.
That they were trying to turn into big stuff because I believe they wanted a distraction.
They wanted the narrative to be out there.
Well, there's disagreement among the delegates.
There's disagreement among the people.
I was looking at the proposed changes that this small group is making.
And it didn't even, it didn't even make sense.
I'm like, what, you're, you're going crazy.
You're going to bat for this.
So it was a small amount of dissenting, of dissenting people on a very small ticky-tack rules-based things.
I wasn't in the platform meeting, but in the rules meeting, it was like nonsensical stuff that was quickly discarded.
And I just think these are a small contingent of a dying, never Trump wing.
It was all Trump in there, all Trump, Troy.
And that's what we need.
Mike, one thing did disturb me a little bit.
I read a piece in Slingshot News that told me that Bill Palatucci, who was the New Jersey Republican National Committee member, was re-elected, but only after former Governor Chris Christie showed up at a Republican State Committee meeting and started twisting arms and making promises.
Uh, and, uh, then, uh, Palatucci, uh, defeated John Purdy, uh, who was chairman of the Atlantic County Republican Committee, uh, and an early, uh, and strong Trump supporter by a mere two votes.
Uh, the problem here is that Palatucci now says he will not support President Donald Trump, who, uh, legally has not yet been nominated.
But, uh, rule B, uh, that was passed, uh, that is retained, of the Republican National Committee says, the Republican National Committee shall have the power to declare vacant the seat of any member who refuses to support the Republican nominee for president or vice president of the United States.
Once Donald Trump is renominated, if Palatucci sticks to his current public position that he will under no circumstances support Trump, do you think he should be removed?
Absolutely.
So we had our national committee man race, and for those of you guys who don't know the way the RNC works, you have a national committee man and a national committee woman from each state, and them, along with the chairman of the state party, represent the 168.
Okay, that's like the executive body of the RNC that votes on things and basically sets a lot of the things, you know, in the regular meetings for the RNC.
So Bill Paltucci represents us from New Jersey.
President Trump endorsed against him OK, in his reelection race for National Committee man.
And Chris Christie, OK, who is Bill Palatucci's number one ally, was strong arming folks, promising contracts, promising legal work, trying to intimidate people and basically strong arm the local state committee to reelect Palatucci.
Palatucci.
Now, you mentioned Rule 4B in the RNC, Roger, and Palatucci is totally in a direct violation of that.
Now, you mentioned Rule 4B in the RNC, Roger, and Palatucci is totally in a direct violation of that.
Once President Trump is formally nominated and Bill Palatucci continues his track record of being an anti-Trump, never-Trump wacko, the likes of which would make Mitt Romney, okay, look like a moderate, then Palatucci needs to go.
Palatucci needs to go.
This is a guy who was involved in the no-labels party not long ago.
This is a guy who said he would never vote for Trump.
This is a guy who said that nobody was above the law when they were hitting Trump with those absolute BS charges.
So here's the deal.
Once President Trump gets nominated, Bill Palatucci, he's going to have to really speak for himself because if he gives some half-hearted endorsement, I don't think that's enough.
He might try to do that to save his hide, but here's the deal.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
And Bill Palatucci, for the last number of years, has had true TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and 100%, once Trump is nominated, I think that, based on the Hundreds of tweets and public statements out there that this guy can never be trusted as a real supporter of the President, and he needs to be expelled.
We need clean, pro-Trump leaders in the RNC to take this party and our movement into the future, Roger.
So, Tal Tucci needs to go.
Mike, let's talk about the Garden State for a moment.
I have seen polling that indicates that a race that includes Robert Kennedy Also includes the fact that Kennedy polls disproportionately from Joe Biden or presumably the Democrat.
The New Jersey Democrats have gone to court in an attempt to remove RFK from the ballot.
Let's assume that he remains on the ballot just for the purposes of this discussion.
New Jersey really looks to me like it's within range.
I mean, this really changes the map in a very significant way.
The other states that I think meet this criteria, New Mexico now in range, Virginia now in range, Maine now in range, and you have a divided congressional district situation there.
But New Jersey now in range.
How are you feeling about the campaign in New Jersey?
Well, Roger, you remember during the Trump rally in Wildwood, I got on the stage and I said, I don't know if you've seen the recent polls, but President Trump is about to take the lead in New Jersey.
That was an Emerson College poll that I was referencing where he was down five points.
I think there was another poll by McLaughlin that had him down four right around the time of the rally.
It's no surprise to me that this past week there were two new polls that came out that had President Trump up by one point and two points, respectively.
This is no surprise.
I mean, if you look at the demographic makeup of a state like New Jersey, one, we've elected statewide Republicans at the gubernatorial level in the last decade, so it's possible.
One, people say it's impossible.
It's totally possible.
Two, South Jersey, extremely red.
They are Fired up more than ever.
They're gonna go for Trump.
Then you have Central Jersey, the suburbs of North Jersey.
Okay, we see the way that independents are breaking for Trump at record levels.
Young voters breaking for Trump at record levels.
We have a large minority population in New Jersey of every single different minority.
Black population, Asian population, Indian population, etc.
Every single minority group, President Trump is gaining significant ground in.
And then you look at the urban areas, okay?
You look at places, Hudson County, adjacent to Manhattan, Newark, Camden, Patterson, okay, Atlantic City.
These are the big urban hubs that usually throw the state to the Democrats.
The fact that President Trump is now polling in urban areas by 10, 15 points higher than any Republican has in a very long time, him peeling off that voter share puts him over the top.
So with the independent voters in the middle and the north, with the urban areas, with him gaining a lot of momentum, and with him juicing up South Jersey, which is always red to historic levels, New Jersey is totally within place.
So I'm not surprised, Roger, I'm not surprised.
I'm not I think he's going to carry the Garden State.
We've been saying that for a while, you and I, and I think it's starting to play out.
We're going to run a very aggressive grassroots campaign here now until November to get him over the finish line, be too big to rig, take the Garden State, and so goes the Garden State.
You know, he gets that, it's over.
Very good point.
Troy?
Well, Mike, I wanted you to comment on something because it appears you're talking about the fact that Trump actually has a chance of winning New Jersey, and I think he's doing that because he's broadening the coalition of people that would vote for a Republican.
And I think, you know, when I was talking to you for this story on Slingshot News, I got the impression that Chris Christie, who has led an anti-Trump Republican coalition in the state of New Jersey for many years now, Is sensing that it's not his politics that are growing the party, it's Trump's politics and the working class people.
They're taking over the Republican politics in New Jersey.
I'd like you to comment on Chris Christie's control and ask you, are there other Republicans in the state other than Palatucci who you think will line up to betray President Trump in 2024?
Well, the base of New Jersey is rejecting Chris Christie more and more by the day, as he continues to be still in the mix.
I mean, people can't believe it.
When I meet people from around the country, like I did in Milwaukee these last couple days, they're like, Chris Christie still has influence in the Republican Party?
That's crazy.
So, his politics are going by the wayside, but there are still people who linger, who influence, okay, what's going on.
These are names of people who fancy themselves as Trump people, but in reality, they're still working the double-edged sword.
They'll still double dealing.
Okay, people like George Gilmore, who's the Ocean County GOP chair, you know, he is He's helping Bill Paltucci get elected.
He's still good friends with Chris Christie.
Okay?
These are people who say, we're going for Trump, but then on the other side, they're working with Chris Christie because they think at the local level and the federal level, people won't be able to connect the dots.
There are people like that in the state.
There's a lot of people out there who say they're going to support Trump for president.
But if you look at their body of work, if you really want somebody who's MAGA, if you really want somebody who's going to, you know, stand with the president when the going gets tough, if you want someone who's going to put in the work, And not just pay the lip service.
You need people who are with the President at the local, state, and federal level.
President Trump has made local endorsements in New Jersey.
He's made state endorsements.
He's made federal endorsements.
He endorsed a good friend, Christine Serrano-Glassner, for U.S.
Senate.
And a lot of people didn't want to support his nominee.
Okay, they were working against President Trump's pick for the nomination, Christine Serrano-Glassner, for a guy that Chris Christie was supporting, Curtis Beshaw.
So there's a lot of these people still in the midst, Troy, and I think that as President Trump, you know, gets back in the Oval Office and continues to gain in New Jersey, I think that the grassroots are gonna sniff these people out and get smart to it.
Usually they've been like, oh, you know, New Jersey's not in play, so we don't need to kind of worry about it, we're just gonna support President Trump.
But now that New Jersey's turning into a Trump state, It's going to activate and fire up grassroots people to sniff out the local and state people that say they're with Trump, but are double dealing.
We're coming for them, Troy.
I think the most important aspect of this is to recognize that, particularly in a state like New Jersey, where Republicans are overwhelmingly outnumbered, the America First movement as a populist reform movement is much larger and broader than the Republican Party.
The people you're talking about, the Republicans in name only, they have no ability to reach out beyond Republicans of the country club variety.
They don't have a strong track record of being able to bring in Independents and Democrats.
They have no ability to make these kind of inroads.
into the more traditional Democrat voting groups.
We're going to keep an eye on the Palatucci question very carefully.
Mike, were you able to watch President Biden last night?
I was.
I was.
And I was pretty amazed that the White House doctors at this point have not gotten the drug dosage right yet, Roger.
I mean, are they at this point intentionally trying to wean him off of it?
Because I think, and you've been around politics for a long time, Roger, has the sitting president of the United States of America ever called his vice president by the name of the person in which he's running against?
I mean, it's unbelievable.
But that was only one horrific display of many of them.
So yes, I watched it and it was painstaking.
Yeah, a very high risk strategy, particularly the idea of having given NATO speech, which where he implied or slurred the wife of a NATO official.
I listened to it five times.
I'm not quite sure what he was saying.
Uh, but then, uh, go immediately into, uh, uh, uh, what they kept calling a big boy press conference, which makes no sense to me.
Uh, this guy's 81 years old.
He's been around.
Uh, he hasn't done many press conferences, but we know why.
The tip off here, of course, was, uh, the reluctance, in fact, the refusal by Attorney General Merrick Garland to turn over the audio tape of the interview with Special Counsel Robert Hurt.
They've given us a transcript and they claim executive privilege.
The same argument Nixon made about keeping his tapes private and providing a transcript, which of course the courts did not allow.
Why would there be a different standard for executive privilege between Richard Nixon and Joe Biden?
Whatever is on that tape must be horrific.
That was the tip off that this debate was going to be a disaster.
I still put Joe's survival right now, and I'm not a Democrat, but I have friends and sources, I put his survival at about 50-50.
Obama is powerful.
If you look at the list of major establishment Democrat cabal-oriented News outlets like the New York Times, The Economist, the Chicago Tribune, the Philadelphia Inquirer, CNN does as much damage to Biden every night that they possibly can.
Quite a juxtaposition from them covering for him for the last year, last three years really.
I still put his survival at about 50-50.
I do think that if Obama can flip Pelosi and Clyburn, then I think all of those folks combined will get him out of the race.
You can already see Pelosi has moved away from him.
She's undermining him.
So I don't underestimate Barack Obama.
He's still the most influential Democrat in their party and in the country.
What do you think his odds of survival are, Mike?
Well, I think his odds of survival right now are probably the same, about 50-50.
I mean, it's amazing how they go along with the theatrics, Roger.
I was watching not only his press conference, the big boy press conference, but I was watching him just deal at the NATO meeting.
The guy is sitting there reading a flashcard as he's talking to Zelensky.
He's meeting with the new Prime Minister of the UK, and he's like making very weird facial expressions and motions.
And then when he gets up in another part of the day to introduce Zelensky, he calls him President Putin.
And then when a reporter asks him about it later and says, what was that?
He gets angry and he yells at them and says, come on, man, I was joking around.
Everyone knows he wasn't joking around.
So.
I think obviously he's digging his heels in.
I think obviously he doesn't want to go down.
You know, I've heard things that possibly, you know, obviously they control Joe, the Obamas and, you know, DNC power brokers.
But, you know, Joe Biden might have some dirt on the Obamas.
You never know his family.
Clearly, the Biden family has proven to be ruthless and calculated and criminal, exactly that.
So, I think it might be a two-way street where they're trying to, like, thread this needle to, like, get him out without it blowing up completely.
Hunter Biden, Jill Biden wanted him to stay in.
Joe Biden doesn't know where he should be, but, you know, he's still the president and he's angry and he's kind of digging his heels in.
So, I think it's a 50-52.
Now, he did say, Roger, in his presser that Essentially, his delegates could be unbound.
I guess there's a conscious clause in the DNC that says that the delegates can go elsewhere if, in their conscience, they don't think the nominee is the right person.
So he basically opened it up to the fact that they could do that.
So if that's the case, and the delegates are unbound, what's going to happen at the DNC?
It could potentially be chaos.
And then your longtime prediction, Roger, you were the first person who I think said this, period, of anybody, was that at the DNC, that is where the swap Would and could occur.
It wouldn't come before that, but it would come at the convention.
You know, you've talked about Michelle Obama.
There's other names that get floated out there.
So I think it's a 50-50 at this point, but I think Biden in his press conference, you know, aggressively saying that his delegates can be unbound if they want, and kind of some bravado with that statement.
I think that that could very well happen, and I think the DNC is going to be a chaotic week.
Yeah, I agree with you, Mike.
One of the problems here, of course, is the Democrats who doubt that Joe Biden can win also doubt that Kamala Harris can win.
And they understand not only her limitations as a candidate, but that she's inexorably connected to Joe's disastrous record.
That's why I've long thought If we got to an open convention situation, that a runaway convention could nominate Michelle Obama.
Otherwise, the party cannot pass over a sitting vice president of color, because she's half Jamaican and half Bahamian, I believe, for, say, Gavin Newsom or some other white candidate.
But then if they do get saddled, With Kamala Harris, I think that they then go to a governor, probably the governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, in an attempt to alter the map, Pennsylvania being a must-carry state right now for Trump.
Now, if Trump carries Virginia and New Jersey, Pennsylvania becomes less important, not unimportant, but less important.
So, uh, I think the dynamic here is still continues to be very, very fluid.
Uh, if you go back to Politico a month ago, uh, there just before the debate or around the debate, probably right after the debate, they said of the 70,000 delegates where Joe got 95%, the Biden people have been pretty careful to select Biden people.
But against the power of Barack Obama, is anyone really a Biden person in this party.
This remains to be seen.
Pelosi, I'm told Pelosi and Clyburn are among the few that Hunter will allow to see or speak to the president.
I think they're going to be very determinative in the end in this decision.
Troy, you want to wrap up this segment and then we'll move on down the road?
Absolutely.
I'll just say, you know, Roger, I think the timeline here, I think it's important to point out that this is all happening.
I think the DNC, the convention is going to be, it's just too close.
And if I had to put like a percentage on it, I'd say there's a 10% chance that Biden is removed.
And here's why.
Because the plan all along, we have to remember, The plan all along has been to steal the election, just like they did in 2020.
So they are really not, I don't think, concerned electorally.
They're worried about Biden looking so bad that they're not going to be able to steal it because people are going to say, what the hell?
I didn't vote for this guy.
And look, that already kind of happened in 2020.
It's really going to happen in 2024.
And the timeline here, I think you see Gretchen Whitmer positioning herself.
Gavin Newsom is not really positioning himself as well as Gretchen Whitmer.
But I think the play for all these Democrats, what they want to do eventually, is get Biden across the finish line in 2024 and then have him kind of ride off into the sunset.
That's how it looks.
The fact that they've defended Biden so vehemently over the last four years and given him excuses and passes for all of his scandals and corruption, they've kind of created a situation where they can't get rid of him unless he walks away.
And the only question I think is if he gets so bad, which I think he is at that point now, that they can't steal it because people literally do not support him even in the Democratic Party.
Well, we shall see.
Unfortunately, we have to leave it there.
Mike Crispy from Mike Crispy Unafraid, not to mention Last Call, both available here on Rumble.
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Mike, I'll see you in Milwaukee.
Yes, sir.
Gonna be a lot of fun, and can't wait to see who he picks as vice president, right, Roger?
It's gonna be quite a week.
It's going to be very exciting.
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There he is.
I want to break this right now here on the Stone Zone.
And this is, like I said, just breaking.
We have news that Democrat donors are withholding apparently $90 million that has been previously pledged to the Biden campaign to one of his largest super PACs if Biden is not removed from the ticket.
So that's breaking news right now.
$90 million being held by Democrat donors who have already pledged the money but are saying they will not actually fulfill that pledge if Biden is at the top of the ticket.
So, Roger, that's breaking news.
I'm wondering now if these donors are going to try to hold the Democrat Party hostage.
And in that case, you know, what their plan really is.
Is it going to be Kamala?
This seems to be, I mean, have you ever seen a ticket in this much disarray this close to an election?
This is really, I think, uncharted territory.
It really is.
We predicted this several times here on the show.
The largest bundler and fundraiser for Democrats and left-wing causes in New York, a gentleman named Kramer, has made it very clear that he will not be raising money.
I'm told that is typical of the entire donor class.
The op-ed from George Clooney was further proof that the moneyed elites and the Hollywood crowd I think it's time for Joe to go.
Also, you see in the Congress a growing number of members who are calling for Joe to drop.
Believe me, nobody is doing this without checking with Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader.
Their party internal discipline is very strong, but I see Washington State Congresswoman Marie Glusenkamp Perez, Illinois Congressman Eric Sorensen, Connecticut Congressman Jim Himes, Senior on the Intelligence Committee.
Arizona Congresswoman Greg Stanton.
Hawaii Congressman Ed Case.
Illinois Congressman Brad Schneider.
Michigan Congresswoman Hillary Scholten.
Oregon Congressman Earl Blumenauer.
Vermont's U.S.
Senator Peter Welch, the first Democrat Senator To come out publicly and say Joe must drop.
New York's Lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado.
Don't think that Antonio did that without the approval of Governor Kathy Hochul.
Zero chance.
New York Representative Pat Ryan.
New Jersey Congressman Mike Sherrill.
Washington State's Adam Smith.
New York's Jerry Nadler.
Very senior in the caucus.
Congressman Mike Takano.
New York Congressman Joe Morrell.
Minnesota Congressman Angie Craig.
Illinois Congressman Mike Quigley.
This list goes on and on.
Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton.
Arizona Congressman Paul Grahovala.
I think I said that probably.
Juan Castro, the former HUD Secretary.
So this list gets longer and longer.
Texas Congressman, one time U.S. Senate candidate Lloyd Doggett, the list of congressional Democrats is already significant.
It's going to grow further.
My sources tell me that polling continues to show that districts that the Democrats thought were here to force safe are now looking competitive.
It's also true in several states.
As I said earlier, Trump moving into contention in Virginia, in New Mexico, in New Jersey, and in Maine.
So this is adding to the panic, the pressure therefore on Pelosi As one of the few people who has actual influence with Joe will be enormous.
Now combine that with the pressure from Barack Obama and I still think you have a toxic mix here for Joe.
So joining us now to help further break this down is my adopted nephew, Alex Stone.
Roger Troy, I'm glad to be with you guys.
I love doing this show with you.
we call the Rolling Stones.
Welcome back into the Stone Zone, Alex Stone.
Roger, Troy, I'm glad to be with you guys.
I love doing this show with you.
I love hearing from you guys and your take on everything.
Excellent.
Well, you, of course, know Troy.
Did you watch the president last night?
And if so, how did you size that up?
Yes, I was watching it live on X with Nick Sorter and a bunch of guys on X Spaces.
I thought it was absolutely abysmal, and not for the reasons that one might think.
Obviously, we had the gap where he called President Trump, Vice President Trump, and a few other gaps in there.
I want to talk particularly about the fact that he is so weak on foreign policy.
He made that very clear last night.
He was talking about the fact that he's not even willing to talk to Vladimir Putin unless Vladimir Putin changes.
There is a sect of Democrats who, for some reason, will say that Joe Biden has the strongest foreign policy of all presidents in the United States of America history.
We all know that's a lie that was made clear last night for many people that that is not true.
Because of the fact that he's not willing to talk to Vladimir Putin, it was actually very clear the last time that he did talk to Vladimir Putin, things didn't go far.
Compare that to how President Trump was with foreign policy.
He actually made an effort to go and talk to world leaders.
He went to North Korea to go to talk to North Korea's dictator.
Kim Jong-un.
And even though things didn't go the way that President Trump really wanted, he still continued to have those meetings to try to get those admissions that President Trump wanted.
Biden isn't doing that.
He's not doing that whatsoever.
He's actually doing the opposite and refusing to engage in diplomacy, which is very dangerous for the United States of America.
Yeah.
I found it interesting in the debates when he said that he was the guy who shut Putin down.
Where has Putin been shut down?
Hundreds of thousands of both Russians and Ukrainians have died.
There's no let up in the relentless assault on Ukraine, which is based on the violation of two individual agreements that we signed with the Soviets.
Budapest memorandum and the Minsk Accord, Joe Biden lists the expansion of NATO as one of his accomplishments.
We signed an agreement not to push Ukraine further east into NATO.
In other words, not to mount missiles on the ground in Ukraine pointed at Russia.
Even Robert F. Kennedy said this yesterday in a tweet.
You know, this is very analogous to the Russians putting missiles in Cuba in 1962, 90 miles from our shores, aimed at the United States.
Right now, many military experts believe that the Russian submarines that are in the Gulf of Mexico off the shore of Florida are equipped with long-range missiles.
How is any of this Made us safer.
None of it has made us safer.
You also remind me that a story that Donald Trump told me that both when he met with Barack Obama and he met with Bill Clinton privately when he was still president-elect, they both said, your biggest number one problem is North Korea.
This guy's a madman.
He's this close to having a nuclear capability.
And Trump said, OK, well, what is he saying?
And they said, what do you mean, what is he saying?
Oh, what is he saying?
We're not talking to him.
We don't know what he's saying.
And Trump understood immediately that you're better off talking to an enemy who might have the ability to destroy you to kind of figure out where they're coming from or how you might talk them out of it than this cold freeze, which hasn't worked, obviously.
Now, of course, the North Koreans, seeing the weakness of Joe Biden in Afghanistan, seeing his The stupidity of funding both sides of the conflict in the Middle East, giving billions of dollars on freezing billions of dollars for the Iranians.
North Korea is back to developing their nuclear weapons systems because they know they have a patsy in the White House.
Weakness breeds aggression in your foes.
During the Trump presidency, I would argue that neither Vladimir Putin nor Chairman Xi were going to move on Ukraine and Taiwan, respectively, because of the unpredictable reaction they would get from Donald Trump, who warned both of them in the strongest possible terms.
Troy?
Go ahead, Alex.
All right, Alex, you go.
I think it's very obvious where we are in our country.
We're not safe whatsoever because of the fact that we have a patsy, as you said, Roger, in the White House right now.
Under President Trump, he would go to foreign adversaries, he would give them a picture of their house and say, if you touch any American, you're done.
That's the kind of thing that we had under President Trump.
We were safe under him because they didn't know what he would do.
Actually, they probably did know what they would do, the fact that they would get totally demolished.
I think you raise an excellent point.
All right, Troy, you're up.
Well, Alex, I think you hit the nail on the head here when you're talking about the weakness displayed around the world, and I wanted to ask your opinion.
We saw a couple days ago that President Biden begged NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg to stay in Washington, D.C., and he awarded him, actually, the highest civilian honor that we have in this country, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
We talked about it here, and we raised questions whether it's actually legal to give the highest civilian honor to somebody who isn't a, you know, a citizen of this country.
But I wonder what you thought about that, because this is the same guy that President Trump took to task as far as it concerns Russian energy pouring into Germany while U.S. tax dollars are protecting Germany from Russia.
I think it's absolutely abysmal.
The fact that President Biden is willing to give the highest civilian honor to someone who isn't even part of our country so he can get them to stay at this meeting, it's absolutely terrible.
It's a joke.
The United States of America is a joke all across the world, and it's because of our president, the person who Donald Trump is his vice president, the person that thinks he shut down Putin.
This man is losing his mind.
I said this last night on X Spaces with Nick Sorter.
When Joe Biden was elected, we all knew that he was senile, that he was not in it.
He wasn't going to be able to be successful because of his mental state.
I said that when he got elected, His brain was like a bunch of mushy apples, and it's come to the point where it's no longer that, it's applesauce at this point.
That's what we're dealing with in the White House right now.
An excellent point.
Look, I do think it's important to tamp down overconfidence in our own camp.
I mean, we do see a situation in which the Democrat Party, not only do they have the issue of Joe Biden's infirmity,
One thing is certain, if they do end up sticking with him as their candidate, it's only a matter of time before he has another gaffe or falls down or wanders off or shakes hands with imaginary people that don't actually exist or comes up with his own language that only he can understand.
It's really, there is no chance.
The other issue I'd raise is Biden and Trump both agreed to an ABC debate on September 10th.
What is the status of that debate?
Is that debate still on?
If I were Trump, I would be beating this drum.
Joe, when are we having our next debate?
I'm ready.
Now, he did do it in an excellent posting at True Social the other day, but there's already a debate on the books.
Is Joe going to make that debate?
Is Joe interested in maybe doing it sooner than September 10th?
To the extent that The Democrats are melting down in a way worse than anything we've seen since their split over the Vietnam War 1968.
And I generally believe Napoleon's maxim that you should never interrupt your enemy when they are in the course of destroying themselves or the process of destroying themselves.
I do think Trump has been wise to continue to challenge Joe to a debate.
I was very disappointed That Joe now won't follow through on his challenge to play golf with Donald Trump.
He said he wanted to play 18 rounds with him.
He made a joke about Trump carrying his own bag.
So when Trump called his bluff and said, OK, Joe, when are we teeing off?
Joe's campaign put out a statement that they didn't have time for Trump's antics.
Trump's antics?
No, Joe, you're the one who challenged Trump to a game of golf.
I would say they were your antics.
You said you had a six handicap.
Joe, you can't hit the ball 50 feet.
We all know that.
If you can even hit the ball.
So and Trump, no matter what he may tell you before the betting starts, he is a scratch golfer.
He's an amazing athlete.
So it's once again, yet another Joe Biden lie.
That's the thing about Joe Biden.
He is the greatest single congenital liar in American politics.
You go to Stone's Zone right now and there's a, I think my lead piece just goes through all of the lies, not only the ones he told at the debate, recycling the sucker and losers lie that Trump never said.
about American veterans who had given their lives recycling the.
Trump said the Nazis are good people in Charlottesville, another lie, even debunked by scopes, that there were fewer illegal border crossings under Biden than under Trump, a lie, that he inherited 15 percent inflation.
It was 6.3, a lie, that no American service person died on his watch.
Has he completely forgotten Afghanistan?
Yet another lie.
No women have babies in the eighth or ninth month of pregnancy.
A lie.
I mean, this guy lies constantly, and then when he was on with George Stephanopoulos, when he's trying to make excuses for his poor debate performance, he said, well, you know, Trump kept shouting at me after they cut his microphone off, and I let it distract me.
I guess that's not, I'm not putting that up as an excuse.
I invite you gentlemen to go back and look at the video.
That never happened, not even once.
Trump never tried to talk over him, not even once.
Trump knew the microphones were allegedly turned off or would be.
So the guy can't even tell the truth about that.
He's with a group of Puerto Ricans.
Suddenly he's a Puerto Rican ancestry.
He's with a bunch of Orthodox Jews.
He grew up in the synagogues of Wilmington, except for he didn't.
He talks to a group of truck drivers and he used to be a truck driver.
Or then he was teaching law school, but he never actually taught law school.
And he graduated at the top of his class, but in fact he graduated at the bottom of his class.
This guy is unbelievable.
And they call Trump a liar?
See, what they say is because you won't agree with their narrative January 6th, that's a lie.
No, that's the truth.
Because you won't agree with their narrative of their lawfare tsunami against him.
Uh, they say that's a lie.
No, that's the truth.
But the idea that all the Democrats, even the ones who are for Biden staying and those who are for his going, they're all united in their talking points, which are Trump's a liar.
She's not his platform.
And trying yet again, ignoring the facts, to tie him to Jeffrey Epstein when it was the Clintons who were taking money from and traveling and visiting Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction for sex crimes in Florida.
They have no campaign.
They have nothing to run on.
So it is 100% negative.
Alex, your thoughts?
No, I want to go off of what you were saying about the lies and whatnot.
I think you mentioned this the other day, another, I guess, lie or gaffe or whatever.
I think it's in the same area, but when he was in Pennsylvania talking about how it was Pennsylvania that got him over the line when he ran for Senate, that doesn't even make sense because he was a senator from Delaware.
How in the world is that possible?
I thought that was absolutely comical.
Once again, Joe Biden's a joke.
There is no campaign That this man has.
Except for, like you said, Trump's Project 2025, which he's not affiliated with in any way, shape, or form.
Project 2025 and President Trump have both said that they're not involved with each other.
And it's just a lie after lie after lie after lie.
When are the American people going to wake up to this?
Do you think they will, Roger, soon?
I think they already have.
I think that's why these polls are so close.
Now you add to that Joe's infirmity is the fact that he's clearly in rapid mental deterioration, as certified by the special counsel in his own Justice Department.
I think we know the answer to your question.
All right.
I'm afraid we have to leave it there.
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