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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
The tsunami of lawfare against President Donald Trump seems to be collapsing.
An indefinite delay in the Georgia case coked up by George Soros and Fannie Wills.
The judge on the Florida documents case is now seriously looking at the legitimate argument as to whether special counsel Jack Smith was appropriately and legally appointed and whether he in fact has any legal authority.
This makes the radical left completely insane.
Joining me to talk about these and other matters, and to help me interview our upcoming guest, Ed Martin, who is the president of the Eagle Forum, but more importantly at this moment, a staff member and the Trump appointee to the Republican Platform Committee.
First, my co-host, Slingshot.News editor-in-chief, Troy Smith.
Troy, welcome back into the zone.
Roger, it's always good to be here.
Nice to see you.
So, Ed Martin is really one of the pioneers of the conservative movement.
He, like me, we kind of came in in the middle.
We are comrades in arms from Ronald Reagan's campaign.
I should point out that Ronald Reagan, one of our greatest presidents, passed 20 years ago today.
Just an extraordinary man, an extraordinary leader, our greatest president until Donald Trump.
Very, very similar to Trump in many ways.
Big picture men who understood the big issues and tried to leave small details to minions among the greatest presidents.
Let's bring Ed Martin in because I don't want to miss any of his time and he's on a tight schedule.
There he is.
Hey, great to see you, Roger.
Troy, good to be with you.
You're right, Roger, for many, many years.
Mostly, I didn't have somebody I could yell it at, like, get me Roger Stone, but I would just call Roger and say, hey, what does this mean?
How's this going?
I still remember, Roger.
You may not remember the details.
I tell it all the time.
August of 2016, long before the Billy Bush video and all, Roger called me.
I was in St.
Louis.
I think he was in Florida.
And he said, Hey, we got to be ready for when they hit him with this stuff.
He knew it was, you knew it was coming and you had some specific plans about what to do.
So anyway, great to be with you guys as always.
Thanks for the chance to talk and to be in the fight.
So, Ed, I assume you have grown this beard so that you can try to pass more easily in Milwaukee.
That's right.
That's right.
Exactly.
That's right.
I'm undercover.
Although, Roger, as you know, it's better to look good than feel good, and I have had more people tell me between the beard and the long hair that I look 15 years younger, so I may never get a haircut again.
I don't know, you know?
But my wife just thinks that my kids just make fun of me, but here we are.
I think you look great.
Look, on a personal note, when I was in Washington, D.C., when I was targeted in the Mueller witch hunt, which was nonsensical, because even Mueller himself admits in his final report that he found no Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration or any other crime by Roger Stone, I went to mass with Ed and his entire family on the Sunday before the trial was to open.
It was a very meaningful, kind thing.
It really lifted me up for that day, so I want to express that.
Yeah, yeah, no, no.
It was great to be with you.
We had a great time.
There's a great photo of that day, and even then I think we knew we were in the middle of a battle, but of course it got even more crazy after that, but that was good.
It starts with God, and I've always admired you and your wife and how you talk about what you've been through, so it was fun for my family to be with you.
That was great.
Great day.
So just to put some context on this, Ed is a former chairman of the Missouri Republican Party, a former Republican National Committee man from Missouri.
He was a former chief of staff to Missouri Governor Matt Blunt.
He also ran for attorney general of Missouri.
The voters made a bad decision there when they did.
But as I said, he currently serves on the staff of the Platform Committee for the 2024 Republican National Convention, essentially designated as President Trump's point man on that committee.
Now, people don't know this, but in 2016, after Donald Trump had rolled up the delegates in primaries and caucuses and state conventions, there was still an effort by Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush and John Kasich.
Remember that group together, folks, because they're all they're all the same.
Yeah.
To try within both platform.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, you know, no less of an authority, Roger, than Phyllis Schlafly.
the convention away from Donald Trump.
Ed Martin is one of the unsung heroes of that battle, because that effort by the RINOs was crushed with the capable management of Paul Manafort.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, you know, no less than authority, Roger, than Phyllis Schlafly.
When she heard that Donald Trump hired Manafort to run the convention, she said, oh, this is, thank goodness, you know, whoever Trump's listening to knows, because Manafort ran an unbelievably efficient system.
He made sure everything—the trains ran on time.
And more importantly, Donald Trump lived up to every one of his promises.
He promised Phyllis Schlafly a conservative platform.
He promised that he would stand up to the powers that be, and he did all that.
And he started doing it at that convention.
I always tell people, you know, Roger, you mentioned me going to mass with you.
You and I have been friends for a long time.
I didn't know Manafort much, but I've always admired him, and I had him on my radio show.
As you say, among the railroaded and persecuted, he's probably one of the top guys that they really went after.
We got to do that again.
As you mentioned, I'm honored that the President and his team thought I could help in this way.
And, you know, many people don't think the platform matters, but I'll tell you, Donald Trump is nothing if not ambitious.
And his thinking is that this 2024 platform is really the first.
In 2016, we got a great platform, but it's still It was a little backward-looking.
It still had a bunch of stuff, I think, that was tied to the past.
And now we're looking forward.
And whether it's on the social issues and how to protect our families, or maybe more importantly, on the notion of no more wars and putting American jobs first, we're excited to put together this platform that will describe what I think is a hinge moment.
And for the next, I think, 50 years, it'll be from the Trump You brought this up so I have to address it.
Phyllis Schlafly was a good friend and a great, great woman.
Really, the pioneers of the conservative movement coming out of the Goldwater campaign.
After her death, a fictional movie was made about her life, which is that Paul Manafort and I blocked her from a position in the Trump administration, which is 100% categorically false.
First of all, I'm not sure she was ever interested in a position in the Trump administration, but I would have supported her for anything.
That literally never happened.
Fiction writing by leftist screenwriters.
Anyway, let us move on.
The biggest question, Ed, is an obvious one, and that is the Republican Party is the party of life.
We are opposed to abortion on demand.
I think President Trump has struck the exactly correct balance on this issue.
His position is, by the way, identical to Ronald Reagan's, being, first of all, it's not a federal issue, it's a state issue.
Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided.
We now know that.
It has been sent back to the states.
The Biden smear machine would have people believe that the Roe decision has made abortion illegal in America, which of course is a blatant lie, an outrageous lie.
How do you see the platform addressing this?
Well, as you point out, it is a central issue for a lot of Americans.
They believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and they think that that matters.
But first of all, let me make this comment, Roger.
Everything people are hearing in the press is typically, like usual, nonsense.
I can tell you, I'm involved in every aspect of this, and the reports from NBC News, direct from the CIA and the Biden administration, I suppose, is that There's all sorts of problems.
It's crazy.
I do think you put your finger on the most important part of this.
Number one, President Trump ran on putting good judges in to get the law respected.
Our Constitution, no less an authority than Justice Scalia, was saying for decades that Roe v. Wade took away from the system What should be happening, which is we persuade each other about how to make laws.
And so Donald Trump ran on that.
He delivered that.
And Roe v. Wade was thrown out.
It was thrown out, by the way, Roger, I think many of us would have predicted it took another 10 years, maybe 20.
It was thrown out so quickly because Trump was fearless and because we got it done.
So now it's a brave new world.
And as to the sort of second point, We have to protect life, that's true.
We have to fight for real protections.
We want as many places in many ways we can.
But we also have a cultural fight.
I mean, one of the realities now is you can't say to your neighbor, Roe v. Wade was an abomination, therefore this whole thing is wrong.
You have to explain why it's life, why it matters, what the policies are that are going to protect life.
And by that, I don't just mean What the policies are on, say, the Democrats want to have abortion in the ninth month.
I mean, the governor of Virginia wants—a Democrat—wants to allow babies to be born and then decide if they can live.
These people are nasty and evil.
But that's not—I'm not talking about that.
I'm actually talking about how do we support moms Make sure that we have a system.
If you're poor in America, you can get your health care covered.
It's probably not good enough, but you can get your health care covered if you're a mom.
But if you're middle class, working class, you're having trouble paying for the insurance.
Republicans used to say, I don't want anything to do with that.
Well, if you're pro-life, the conversation starts with how do you support the mother who's in this position?
And how do you go forward from there?
So you're going to see a conversation about all that.
I'm very confident that there's... President Trump, by the way, has been clear that the fight over abortion returning to the states doesn't mean that we're going to abandon the lunatics that Biden has put in office At the NIH, at the FTA, that are saying abortion until nine months is allowed, and chemical abortion can be shipped to women with no checks and balances.
So there's plenty of ways we can be pro-life.
But the fight is going to be in our neighbor-to-neighbor to protect life.
And I think the platform will reflect that, and the platform will respect life in every moment, especially, by the way, the end of life.
The Biden administration is hastening death through their policies.
And if you're an old person, you think Biden is trying to scare you about your social security?
He's trying to put you on hospice, fast, because he doesn't want to have to pay for your health care.
So President Trump is going to have to stand up to that, and that's going to be a piece of what we call the life movement, broadly.
So there's a lot of work to do, and we're doing a lot of listening, Roger.
Like you've always said, you know, the party is big.
It doesn't mean we're always going to agree, but we do need to be listening to each other, and I'm doing a lot of that right now.
You mentioned Social Security, which to me seems to be one of the areas that needs to be examined.
The House Study Group, which is 170 House Republicans, have come out in favor of a proposal to extend the age before one can receive Social Security benefits, and then for essentially means testing to cut your benefits if you have income beyond Social Security.
I call this political suicide.
That's what I call it.
That is not the position of the Republican Party.
It is most definitely not the position of Donald Trump, who has said repeatedly that he would veto any changes in Social Security.
Yes, the Social Security trust fund is going to run out of money.
Yes, the federal government is spending billions of dollars on a war in Ukraine.
That we don't need to be and that money could be used to shore up Social Security.
Billions, 160 billion would really help the Social Security trust fund right now.
So this is an issue where the Democrats absolutely want to make this election about three things.
Donald Trump is a convicted felon.
Well, we'll see about that.
Right.
January 6th, which we now understand was an inside job.
And then lastly, abortion.
Oh, the Republicans want to take away your right to an abortion.
No, the states make those decisions.
And then lastly, they're going to claim that we want to cut Social Security.
How do you see the platform addressing that?
Well, yeah, let me say, first of all, the president's been clear.
I've been clear, Phyllis Schlafly, others.
We've always said on this, cutting Social Security and cutting Medicare for the deal that we already had people make, that's an outrage.
I mean, that is exactly the opposite.
If you're Joe Biden and the Democrats, you do things like you say, Sign on the dotted line and get a loan, and then I'll forgive it for you.
I'll say that it's forgiven by making me and you pay for it.
But we're Americans, and we're people of principle, and so I can tell you that Social Security will be protected.
In fact, the way I tell people all the time is, if you want Social Security to be not just protected, but more successful, you've got to get the hell out of the way and let the economy grow.
And you've got to get the hell out of the way on inflation.
A tax on your Social Security is what Joe Biden has done with inflation.
Because if you get a set amount, but you have to go buy something that's gone up by 50%, like your bacon.
In my household, the bacon is way up and the kids are mad.
So, you know, we're going to have to protect our economy and grow it.
And as you point out, we're going to have to not spend almost a billion dollars.
It's, no, $750 billion on green energy handouts that John Podesta is literally passing out of the White House.
Have a meeting, give somebody $50 million, $100 million.
We've got to change our whole mindset on that stuff.
But I think you're right on the analysis as usual, Roger, but I'm with you on Social Security.
And I would say again, one of the things that's tossed about by this president in talking to us about this time is that he wants to change it and he wants us to dedicate our work to the forgotten man and the forgotten woman.
And right now in this country, the forgotten are the people who are working, the people who did work, the people that are in places that are not blue and cities that are not blue and that are not DEI.
And so I think there's a lot of that that has to do with our seniors who will protect and our elders who will honor as well as protect.
For those of you who don't know, Ed Martin was the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Conservative Case for Trump, in 2016.
He also is the man who made sure that Phyllis Schlafly's seminal choice, Not an Echo, got reprinted, which I'm proud to have a copy of.
He hosts his own show, The Pro-America Report.
You can find that at proamericareport.com, and he's on Absolutely.
So we've seen that President Trump has been subject to such egregious lawfare and the criminal justice system has really been used against him.
Are there going to be new angles to criminal justice reform in this platform?
Troy, do you have a question for this incredible patriot Ed Martin?
Absolutely.
So we've seen that President Trump has been subject to such egregious law fair and the criminal justice system has really been used against him.
What kind of are there going to be new angles to criminal justice reform in this platform?
I'd like you to talk about that.
Yeah.
Great question, Troy.
That's actually one of the things I challenge people when they think about the platform and going forward is think about what's actually new, right?
And this is a great example.
I'm not a huge fan of the weaponization of DOJ language because I think people get used to it and it sounds like, I don't know, like a bing bing, like a game.
As you know, lawfare is the word I prefer.
And look, I represented and continue to represent a couple of them.
four January 6th defendants, and I've worked with hundreds of others in total because I'm on the Patriot Freedom Project board.
And what they did to these people, it's not as bad as what they did to Trump, but it's very similar.
They took a law and they decided to use a law that had never been used that way as a way to jam people up.
And they held people in jail for years based on a felony charge.
They did this with Trump.
Something that nobody said was anything is a felony charge, which sounds worse and under the law is worse.
You don't get jail time for misdemeanors.
So the idea of a felony is what they use to hold these people.
So as to going forward, I do think that there's I describe it two ways.
There's an appetite for addressing that problem.
What I tell people is we need to be more creative about how we think about the battle we're in, right?
We may be nice, we can be nice, but we have to be just.
It's not revenge to be just and honorable, right?
So that's number one.
Number two is we have to realize that the president has been a champion, amazingly, before this.
For people that were convicted of the wrong kinds of policies, like Joe Biden putting all those people in jail under the crime law, aimed at people.
Look, I'm all for breaking—let's be tough on crime, but be fair!
Be honorable, be serious, and sending little old ladies to jail over praying in front of a clinic, or sending 26-year-old black men in jail for 30 years because it's strike three.
That's what these others cited.
So I think Donald Trump, somehow, amazingly, through all his suffering, has become the empathetic Not just the leader of, but a guy that's going through it.
And so I think you're going to see some of that energy in the platform.
And I hope and pray we'll see that in the next Trump administration.
He even asked me, by the way, pardons.
He used to be and say pardons.
You know, I think the president realizes maybe he was running for a second term and had to hold back a little.
I think he realizes that the pardons are not just a power.
They are a requirement in the nation we're living in right now.
And I think very broadly that's true.
I kind of echo what Troy said.
I mean, the Trump record on criminal justice reform is extraordinary.
The First Step Act, the Second Chance Act.
It is Joe Biden and his friend Bill Clinton who gave us the harsh penalties for the first time nonviolent crime.
possession of small amounts of drugs.
These people are drug treatment programs, not inexpensive, taxpayer-funded incarceration because they're not a danger to anyone other than themselves.
The idea of Joe Biden as a civil rights advocate is one of the funniest things I can imagine.
Our segregationist ran opposed in the 1972 Senate race, ran opposed to the segregation of the Wilmington Delaware school system said it would be a jungle if it was desegregated.
That's the Dog whistle if I have ever heard it.
This may not be a question you can answer.
I think if they have a real democratic convention, not a viral convention, not a virtual convention, but a real convention, they're looking at another 1968 type scenario.
Their left wing is unhinged.
They're pro-BLM, pro-Antifa.
Oh, change my t-shirt.
Now it's Palestine and Hamas.
They're the same people.
They have huge numbers and they're dividing the Democratic Party.
What are we expecting in Milwaukee in terms of demonstrations?
And we pray, of course, that if people do come there to demonstrate, that they do so peacefully.
Yeah, look, there are some aspects of things.
I think there are still some Bushies that want the world to include multilateral trade deals and they're ramping up the Chamber of Commerce.
Amnesty, there's still some Republicans left that want amnesty.
But as you say, I think ours is by and large a friendly, you know, disagreeing and moving forward.
It's Trump's party in terms of the policies as well as the personality.
I will drop a little footnote for you, Roger, on the Democrats.
Because I'm doing this platform thing, I hear from A lot of Republicans from all over the place that care about issues, like they care about X issue.
And I think you're right.
The civil war in this country and the political parties is in the Democrat Party.
If you're a man, you can't be in the Democratic Party.
You're hated.
You are hated by the people that rule that party.
If you're a man that's in the party in leadership, you're people like Schiff and Swalwell.
You just kind of You know, your milquetoast kind of guys that are broken and everybody sees it.
So there's a bunch of men, black men, Hispanic men, that are like, wait, I thought I was going to be a Democrat.
And they're looking at this part.
And you're going to feel that and see that in terms of the civil war.
And then they have no way to solve the problem of their true anti-Semitic hatred.
The anti-Semitic, the AOCs and Bernie, the policies are truly anti-Semitic and they can't control that.
So I think Chicago burns, and I hope it doesn't, but I think it burns.
And I think in Milwaukee, we're going to come through this and we have a leader that has united the party on, I'd say, 95% of the issues and the choices.
And frankly, we all feel like the country is hanging in the balance.
So we're going to link arms and defend ourselves.
All right, I promised Ed Martin that I would get him out the door for his next show, and I keep my promise.
Thank you.
And I want to thank you for joining us here in the Stone Zone, and God bless you.
Thank you, Roger, and Troy, great to be with you.
Thank you, guys.
I appreciate it very much.
All right, Troy, there's a lot going on politically.
Yesterday was not a very good day for the Those planning the tsunami of lawfare against Donald Trump in Georgia, the appeals court there indefinitely postponed the Fannie Wills prosecution of Donald Trump.
It's going to review the questions about her fitness to serve as a prosecutor.
Believe me, people over at CNN were puking about this.
And then in Florida, Uh, Judge Eileen Cannon has announced an extensive hearing on the question of whether Special Counsel Jack Smith was legally appointed and whether he actually has current legal authority.
Now, this issue was first raised by Former Reagan Attorney General Ed Meese and two widely respected college law professors who filed an amicus brief with the U.S.
Senate.
No, it's not a, as the New Republic would say, it's not a frivolous argument.
Any lawyer who says that is a bad lawyer.
It's a very legitimate argument.
I saw Tom Massey destroy Merrick Garland online by simply asking, Under what law was Mr. Smith appointed?
And Garland had to admit there was no law.
So he's appointed him to a position that doesn't exist.
But more importantly, the underlying issue is whether or not his appointment was approved by the U.S.
Senate, which it wasn't.
This case was brought against Robert Mueller.
In my case, a witness in my case brought the case at the trial court level and then at the appeals level, but you got political decisions.
It's never gone to the Supreme Court.
If it ever gets to the Supreme Court, I suspect that Mr. Smith will be out of business.
I think there's a very solid scholarship in this argument.
The hard left wants to blow this off as ridiculous.
No, they are the ones that are ridiculous.
So overall, a good day for President Donald Trump yesterday.
I do think.
It's a personal opinion.
Perhaps it's because of what I've gone through myself.
There is no question whatsoever that Judge Juan Merchant is going to sentence Donald Trump for incarceration of some kind.
There is no guarantee that he will stay that sentence pending appeal.
In fact, I would predict that it is unlikely that he'd do so.
That way he can become a famous hero on the American left.
He can probably get the federal judgeship that is being dangled in front of him.
And, of course, since sentencing is on the 12th of July, he could theoretically at least remand President Trump immediately for incarceration.
or for home confinement, in which case the president, I'm not sure how he would attend the Republican National Convention.
Yes, they are capable of that level of evil.
I'm not sure why the president's lawyers asked for sentencing in mid-July as opposed to doing it as soon as possible in June or alternatively doing it after the convention, but But I want to go on record now as fearing the absolute worst.
I'm praying for the best.
I'm praying that he'll be granted bail or that he'll be allowed to remain at liberty pending appeal.
I'm not a lawyer and this does get kind of complicated.
I found out in the last 48 hours that Well, if you talk to the four smartest lawyers you know, you're going to get four completely different opinions.
On Friday here on The Stone Zone, Will Scharf, who's one of the president's lawyers working on his appeal, will join us and perhaps he can illuminate us a little further.
All right, Troy, those are the things that I found notable overnight.
What do you got for us?
Well Roger, just on your topic about Juan Marchand, we have a video and I wanted to ask if you saw the Hannity Trump interview last night and we'll get your opinion on that.
And Trump kind of talks about being jailed, the possibility of being jailed in this clip.
So get your reaction to the clip and your reaction overall to the Hannity Trump interview on the other side of this.
You were asked about the possibility that Judge Marchand might send you to jail.
You said something that really kind of got my attention.
What did you say that it didn't phase you in the sense that if that's what it takes?
You don't have to be doing this.
You could be playing golf every day and you probably wouldn't be charged with anything.
Well, I think I say it about almost all of these cases that are brought against me.
They are doing it for the purposes of hurting a political opponent of Biden and trying to get him to win, and he's the worst president in the history of our country.
But in the case that you're talking about, I said very strongly that I'm very proud to fight for our Constitution, and if that's what it takes, Everybody said this is such a minor thing you don't go to jail for this all of them but you don't understand what we're dealing against you we're dealing against these a system that is so corrupt nobody's ever seen anything like it I did nothing wrong in any of these things I did nothing wrong we did nothing wrong at all and
When you look at the analysts, whether it's Greg Jarrett or Andy McCarthy or Jonathan Turley or your friend, the great one, Mark Levin, Dershowitz, all of them, they said there's no case here.
Judge Jeanine was so incredible two weeks ago.
She was unbelievable.
Angry.
She was angry.
And you know why they're angry?
Because they love our country and they see what's happening.
It's totally unconstitutional what they've done.
And if you look at the statements made by the people I just mentioned, and I'm not friends with any... I mean, I think they respect what I've done.
They might respect me.
They might not respect me.
But they said there's no case.
It shouldn't have been brought.
And the way the judge charged the jury, told the jury, gave jury instructions, nobody's ever heard anything like that.
Troy, I did watch the entire interview.
It was kind of cool because I was live texting with Sean Hannity throughout the whole thing since it was pre-taped.
By the way, I think it may be Hannity's single best interview with Trump.
Very, you know, I think Trump showed a very personal side.
He talked about the addiction problem of his brother who, as you know, died early.
Donald Trump idolized his brother, idolized him.
They were both Great sportsman.
Trump is an extraordinary athlete, even to this day.
He's been a great athlete his entire life.
So I think you saw a personal side of Trump last night, which was, I think, very touching.
But you also saw the courageous side of Trump.
The president knows that incarceration in Rikers Island, which is a hellhole, is a very real possibility.
If they want to make him into Mandela, help yourself.
It will backfire with the American people.
But these people are so delusional, so insane, so evil.
I think they're entirely capable of that.
But as you can see, the president, I think, is mentally ready if it takes that turn.
It would be the greatest single act of Election interference.
Oh, the Republican prospective nominee can't go to the convention.
What do you call that?
I think you call that election interference.
It's really outrageous.
Well, Roger, you know, what gets me is that we see day after day these attacks launched at President Trump, and they're so blatant out in the open that they're coming after this guy, and they know that it's an illegitimate attack, and yet they're out there in the press every day almost salivating over the cases.
They're celebrating them.
And so many times throughout history, we see this.
It's strange to see it take place where you have somebody beating down an individual, coming after them with the full force of government and kind of unaware of the reaction of the public and the people around them that are looking at this, the way they're putting this man through the ringer.
And I think we're seeing as time goes on, Roger, more and more people are joining him and supporting him because they see the persecution and they can relate to it because a lot of the people in this country, they don't look at government as their friend.
are joining him and supporting him because they see the persecution and they can relate to it.
Because a lot of the people in this country, they don't look at government as their friend.
They see government as somebody who sends them a bill every year and threatens them with imprisonment if they dare to not pay the bill.
They see government as somebody who sends them a bill every year and threatens them with imprisonment if they dare to not pay the bill.
And that's just the reality for people.
And that's just the reality for people.
And to see them thinking that they are the heroes in this situation, you watch them on the news, they really portray themselves like Winston Churchill or something.
And it's insane.
It's completely, you know, these people are out of their minds.
And to think that they have been in control of government for so long, I think puts into perspective how we got to where we are.
And it's a very sad situation.
That interview with Hannity, by the way, was beautiful last night.
But there was some Biden news I wanted to kind of drop on you this morning.
Biden dropped, apparently, something on the stage in France during a D-Day commemoration ceremony today, Roger.
He was on stage.
He randomly starts squatting while everybody's looking around as if he's having a bathroom-related incident.
And this clip is going completely viral this morning.
Millions of views.
Let's see that video of Biden having an accident, I think, on the stage in France.
Distinguished guests, please welcome the Honorable Lloyd J.R.
There's a That was very strange.
You'll remember that when Joe Biden visited the Pope, The Italian press reported that he was late for his meeting with the Pope because he had had a bathroom-related accident.
I noticed that in the pictures of him arriving at the Vatican, he was wearing a two-piece suit where the jacket and the trousers matched.
But I noticed when he emerged from his meeting with the Pope, he was wearing a suit jacket that did not match the suit pants that he was wearing.
The Italian press speculated that he'd had a diarrhea attack.
I have had sources tell me that some of the drugs that they're using to keep him alert have that as a potential side effect.
But how much more embarrassing can this get?
I mean, that's the President of the United States.
and he looks like a poor soul.
He looks like a lost soul with no idea where he is.
That's why I think when Congressman Ronny Jackson, the former physician for three American presidents, 14 years in the White House medical unit, several years as the head of that unit,
The president for George W. Bush, pardon me, the doctor for President George W. Bush, for President Barack Obama, and for Donald Trump has said it is perfectly reasonable for Joe Biden to take a cognitive test, a mental acuity test, before this election.
Donald Trump has offered to take one.
I can tell you Donald Trump is literally as sharp as he has ever been, sharp as a tack.
You saw that in the Hannity interview, which there's another hour to run tonight, I believe, and I'm anxious to see it.
Also, interestingly enough, Ronnie Jackson, I think I read this at slingshot.news, Ronnie Jackson also thinks that Joe Biden should take a drug test immediately before the debate, something Trump has also done.
So all those people who are on X, formerly known as Twitter, and other social media platforms saying, oh, Trump has hopped up on Adderall.
No, he's willing to take a drug test.
I've known him 45 years.
The guy barely takes aspirin.
He doesn't drink and he's adverse to all those things.
So, I think it's a perfectly reasonable position.
My guess is, of course, that Joe won't do it because of what it would show.
Well, exactly right, Roger.
And as you said, there's a pants switch at the Vatican with the Pope.
And this time, Biden actually stammered out of the event with Jill Biden kind of leading him along the way after the incident up on the stage.
Uh, so we have a clip of that and then right after that, you know, before we come back, I want them to play the clip because you said it there.
President Trump is as sharp as he's ever been.
I want you to watch Jill Biden leading Joe Biden out of this D-Day event.
Remember what we just showed you of President Joe Biden squatting on stage looking like he's literally crapping his pants.
And then I want you to take a look at the Biden campaign people in the news.
We have a clip of one of their spokesman on air saying that President Joe Biden is as sharp as he's ever been.
Let's roll those two clips.
Let's roll those two clips.
Let's roll those two clips.
And again, I want to go back and really underscore the fact that his record is very strong.
He's achieved more as president than at least the past four to five presidents before him.
You cannot get that done if you don't have all of your faculties about.
What planet does this woman live on?
Joe Biden has systematically destroyed the most robust economy in American history.
Our economy actually bounced back from COVID-19 because the underlying dynamics of low taxation and less regulation were still in place.
Joe Biden has the highest rate of inflation of any recent president.
Gas prices are surging because he refuses to allow for the exploration of gas and oil under U.S.
soil.
So we have to go begging to the Venezuelans for you know, what is really the lowest grade and most expensive petroleum to refine.
They call it tar.
It's garbage.
Or we have to go begging, you know, the Saudis or others driving gasoline prices.
We have an open border, which is causing a crime epidemic, a drug epidemic, and a fiscal crisis for cities, towns, and states across the country.
There is an incredible lack of affordable housing.
So when they say he's accomplished more than the last four or five presidents, only in the area of destruction as he accomplished great things.
You've got to wonder whether that woman, I guess she's paid to say that, but she could not possibly believe that.
No one in their right mind could possibly believe that.
But the Biden PR machine just works on.
Again, they want this election to be about Donald Trump is a convicted felon.
January 6th is the worst thing since Pearl Harbor.
Trump's taking away your abortion rights.
You know, that's there.
That's their campaign.
That's their campaign in the nutshell.
Nothing positive, nothing uplifting, nothing inspirational.
That's what they'd like to make this election about.
I don't think it will work.
Presidential elections are always about the future and not the past.
But in this particular case, I think we're in an advantageous position because all people need to do is compare the actual Trump record.
I don't care if you don't like his mean tweets.
Compare his actual record to the current record of Joe Biden.
And there's just no question in every area, whether it is global stability in our foreign policy or whether it is the economy, all of those things, I think, help drive this election to Donald help drive this election to Donald Trump.
Let me do a quick commercial pitch here, and then we're going to bring in Alex Stone for our segment, which is the Rolling Stones.
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All right, Troy, it's time to bring in Alex Stone.
Troy, I'm going to let you go back to editing the Slingshot.News.
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And we will see you tomorrow.
We will see you tomorrow, Roger.
I never got the chance to do this, so I'm going to do it right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, The Rolling Stones!
Alex Jones is in the house, ladies and gentlemen.
I am.
Thank you for having me on, Roger.
I'm glad to be here.
That's a great looking lid that you got there.
Thank you, sir.
I appreciate it.
Do you find that when you go out in public that people like your hat?
That people say to you, wow, I like your hat?
Yes, many times this hat and then the hat that you got me for Christmas, they love it all the more, actually.
Yeah, I find the exact same thing.
Men, you know, up until John Kennedy, appeared in the 1960 campaign not wearing a hat.
Every gentleman wore a hat every day.
A gentleman would never, ever leave his house without a hat.
By the way, I'm not just talking about business executives.
I'm talking about, you know, blue collar workers.
Men wore a hat.
They had a hat and a handkerchief, two things they always had.
Once John F. Kennedy began campaigning in 1960 without a hat, Uh, he was such an ideal.
He was such a mythical, uh, uh, and media created kind of icon.
Uh, the men's hat business went immediately into the toilet.
Uh, and it's been, uh, it's been in decline ever since Connecticut was once the centerpiece of the hat making industry in the United States.
Uh, and, uh, you know, by 1963, most of the larger hat manufacturers were closing.
Go to any big city today, uh, and, uh, go online and try to find, uh, a hat shop.
There are very, very few of them.
Uh, the best place to order them, if you're a hat guy, as I am, is online.
And yes, I promised you a very special hat for TPUSA, so it's in the works.
It's in the works.
Tell me what you think is going on in America today.
Well, Charlie Kirk put on X earlier today, just a little bit ago, actually.
He writes, Update on Arizona voter registration numbers.
Our team requested updated numbers from the Secretary of State's office, and they are strong.
In just one month, Republicans have increased their margins over Democrats to 243,000, a one month net gain of 7,000 voters.
Before, Republicans had 40,000 more registered voters than independents, and that lead has increased to nearly 65,000 in April, a net gain of nearly 25,000 voters.
We are winning the voter registration war in Arizona.
We need to keep the pressure on.
We need to keep registering neighbors and family, and then chase the vote come October, and then ultimately in November.
Voter registration is so important and Republicans recently have been able to do a very good job at that.
Charlie Kirk in Turning Point USA, obviously.
Another man named Scott Pressler as well has been able to go out and register voters.
We need to register voters to win in November.
That is so, so important.
I believe that that is happening.
A rise up of Republican voters registering so that President Trump will win the re-election.
Yeah, turnout is going to be vitally important here.
People don't realize that in 2016, almost 78% of Evangelical Christians turned out.
But in 2020, that number dropped to 63%.
Now, obviously, not everyone in the country who's an Evangelical Christian is a Trump supporter.
Liberal evangelical Christians for misguided souls.
We pray for them, but that's not going to do.
So the whole strategy of beat the cheat or too big to rig, I think it's important.
It should not be downplayed.
It's not the only answer.
to the ballot security issues in this country, but it is definitely one of the answers.
And I think the Republican National Committee is doing a particularly good job in this area.
Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA is a powerhouse, and Charlie gets it done.
Charlie is a tough taskmaster, and he gets the job done.
I think if Trump wins, the actions of TPUSA are going to be one of the very, very key factors in that victory, even though he's going to win.
You and I are both speaking at the Turning Point USA conference coming up, not this weekend, but the following weekend in Detroit.
Really looking forward to that.
The last Turning Point event we went to was really heartening because I go to, you know, large conservative events a couple times a year.
But the average age is much, much older.
In the case of this Turning Point event, which was in Phoenix, I believe, the medium age had to be 25.
It was really extraordinary.
It was the largest turnout of young conservatives, libertarians, Christians, Trump supporters, freethinkers that I've ever seen.
It was very, very encouraging.
I think Detroit is going to be great.
I think so, too.
Phoenix was phenomenal.
You know, right before going to Phoenix for Turning Point USA in December, I was in Tulare, California for the Reawaken America Tour.
And I love the Reawaken America Tour, and there were about 6,000 people there, had the opportunity to speak.
But I didn't see very many young people.
There were maybe 10 that I saw and met with.
But I flew from Tulare to Turning Point USA, and the amount of young people that was there was absolutely phenomenal.
Young people, my generation, Generation Z, are waking up because they're beginning to realize that the Joe Biden administration, like you said when Troy was on, is that it is effectively destroying the most robust economy that we ever had.
That's exactly what Joe Biden is doing.
I have some of the statistics, if you will, from the Trump administration before COVID-19.
America gained 7 million new jobs.
Middle class family income increased nearly $6,000, more than five times the gain during the entire previous administration.
The Obama administration unemployment rate reached 3.5%, the lowest in half a century, achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever.
Nearly 160 million jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest level on record.
These are just a few of the things that President Trump had achieved before Joe Biden.
Then Joe Biden comes in and he destroys everything.
And because he's destroyed everything, I believe that my generation, Generation Z, is waking up and realizing we need Donald J. Trump back in office.
Yeah, I really think opportunity is one of the absolute keys to this election.
It is the key to winning African American votes.
It is the key to winning Hispanic votes.
I think it is the key to winning younger voters.
Will you have economic opportunity?
Will you have a job and therefore a home and security in your lifetime?
Today, affordable housing is really underestimated as an issue.
There is no affordable housing for lower and middle class families who can't buy.
If you don't have the finances to buy and you need to rent, That is almost impossible.
If you're trying to buy, those prices are almost impossible.
This is a sleeper issue.
RFK has talked about it some, but of course his answer is massive tax increases, which is not the answer.
The answer is massive tax cuts.
The answer is a growing economy.
As President John F. Kennedy said, A rising tide lifts all boats, meaning an across-the-board tax cut, just as it did under President John F. Kennedy, just as it did under Ronald Reagan, just as it did under Donald Trump, spurs economic growth.
When liberals say, oh no, those tax cuts caused the massive deficits of the Reagan years.
No, there was not a single year in which the government took in less money than it paid out, meaning our problem was not a tax problem.
Our problem is a spending problem.
A spending problem.
The House Republicans, particularly Congressman Tom Cole from Oklahoma, think the answer to the upcoming Social Security disaster is to extend the age before you can receive your Social Security benefits, and then to means test you to see if you're getting any income beyond Social Security, and then cut your benefits if you are.
What I call this is political suicide.
People paid into the Social Security Trust Fund in good faith.
You have a pact with them.
You have an agreement with them.
To cut their benefits now would be treacherous.
Yes, the system is going to go broke, but maybe, just maybe, we could take some of those billions of dollars we're sending to Ukraine and use that money to shore up the Social Security Trust Fund.
There's an idea for you.
What would $160 billion do if you dedicated it to making sure that seniors got their benefits when they were due their benefits?
Lyndon Johnson was the first president Who was able to tap into the Social Security Task Force fund.
Prior to that, it was untouchable.
You couldn't borrow from it.
You couldn't borrow against it.
You couldn't dip into it to pay for other things.
LBJ changed that.
And frankly, the country's downward economic spiral and fundamental problems begin with that.
Two acts that I think in the long term hurt the economy.
Nixon's disastrous decision to close the gold window, take America off the gold standard, probably among his single greatest mistakes.
In the two books I've written and in many articles I've written on Richard Nixon, I say this.
When I praise Nixon for being a peacemaker, say, yeah, but he took us off the gold standard stone.
Yes, I criticize him in all of my books for that.
That, plus the decision by Johnson to be able to access the Social Security Trust Fund, two of the greatest fiscal mistakes in the country's history, and leading us very much to where we are today.
I gotta ask you, how's your show doing over at the Rumble?
My show is doing good.
I took a couple months off of it, you know, due to personal reasons, but I started it back up again.
It's going strong.
Just interviewed Cameron Moore, just interviewed Doug Billings.
So I'm lining up a lot of good guests.
I'm hoping to interview quite a few people at Turning Point USA.
Looking forward to it, but it's growing.
Find me at the Alex Stone Show on Rumble and then also on X, as you see in the bottom right corner, is Stone J. Alex.
On X. All right.
We're going to let Alex Stone go back to going out to preach God's word and save the country.
Have a wonderful and blessed day.
And thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
Thank you, Roger.
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