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May 30, 2024 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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DONALD TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG! Roger Stone & Alex Jones Respond To Verdict - The StoneZONE
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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
All right.
My former co-host, able to join me live.
Right.
Roger, I don't have anything special to pitch to you, just what's your response?
I just got Roger on.
This is an amazing moment.
This is a historical moment of incredible tyranny showing the deep state is absolutely going for broke.
Roger Stone, Trump, all 34 counts in the most kangaroo court ever with the judge literally telling them to illegally disregard everything, just find him guilty.
Roger Stone.
Alex, sadly I'm not shocked nor am I surprised.
I've already seen this movie.
Uh, this is like, uh, when Kennedy was shot.
This is a moment that every American is going to remember.
Sadly, uh, I'm not shocked.
I've seen this movie before, uh, with the gagging of Donald Trump, just as I was gagged by the judge refusing to recuse himself, uh, despite the fact that he was a Biden donor, uh, and that he was a, uh, his daughter was making a fortune off of this trial.
Just as the judge in my case made prejudicial statements regarding me, refused to recuse herself.
A refusal of a change of venue to a location where you might get a more balanced jury.
The limitation of witnesses saying that Donald Trump could not bring the former head of the Federal Election Commission in as an expert witness to say that these transactions had not violated federal election law, just as I was not allowed to bring Bill Binney, the former high-level counterintelligence IT expert from the CIA in, to prove that no one ever hacked the Democratic the former high-level counterintelligence IT expert from the CIA in, to prove
So I see the same tyranny in this trial that I saw in my own trial.
I I guess, in retrospect, I was the template for this.
I was the test run.
It didn't get much coverage because I'm not a former president, but the president has been subjected to the exact same And Roger, I want you to roll through that and have the floor here because this is viral.
Viewers are watching.
We're going to take this interview in a few minutes and post it to X as well.
But what is the aftermath going to be if all of these show trials have backfired on the Deep State?
Now, what is this obvious show trial conviction with the judge saying convict him no matter what to the jury?
What is that going to do?
Well, Alex, first of all, one cannot pull within the eye of the storm.
I see online people already have insta-polls out.
Those appear to prove that the president has sustained no damage that the American people have seen through this.
But it's going to be a day or two.
We also don't know whether Given the irregularities, there is some possibility of Trump appealing directly to the U.S.
Supreme Court on due process issues.
That's very rarely accepted, but very rarely have we had a President of the United States in this circumstance.
Yeah, this is a constitutional crisis.
There's no question about it.
And look, it's hard to digest.
This all just happened.
Like you, I haven't had a chance to read all of it.
But I must say, I'm not even remotely shocked.
This baby was rigged.
Trump could have had clearance.
Oh yeah, we talked a few days ago and you said he's going to be convicted.
It's New York.
What the hell's wrong with these people?
Well look, Trump could have had Clarence Darrow and Abraham Lincoln as his lawyers and he still would have been convicted.
This was a rigged deal from day one.
Some people had false optimism that there were people on this jury who would look at the actual legal questions.
The trial structure was so rigged.
Trump was so limited in what he could say.
It was true that Michael Cohen was proven to be a liar on the stand.
It was true that no evidence actually tying Trump himself to these bookkeeping transactions.
I still don't think the government No, no, you're right, Roger.
I mean, even liberal mainline analysts say it was a show trial.
It was a fraud.
The judge's instructions are unprecedented criminal activity vying for the law in its face.
I'm asking you to go out on a limb.
I don't think it's a limb.
You and I predicted years ago all these fake show trials would backfire.
I predict this will make him go up five more points.
He's already 20 points ahead nationally, 13 in battleground states.
I predict a 25-point lead now.
Well, from your mouth to God's ear, that has certainly been the trend here.
On the other hand, the left has what they want.
They want you to be able to say, Donald Trump is a convicted felon.
That's for purposes of this upcoming CNN debate.
They don't care that this will be... They just want Biden to be... Oh, by the way, that's the other big one.
Biden is set tonight to do a victory lap, Roger.
Can you respond?
Yeah, unbelievable.
First of all, he should be keeping his distance from this.
The reason he's not is because he can't help himself.
These are, was orchestrated by people in his Justice Department and in his White House.
You have, I hate to say it, but a racketeering conspiracy involving the state and federal prosecutors.
The whole thing is driven by Biden.
Trump is right when he says that.
Crazy that this woman on Fox Absolutely, and by the way, I've got a statement from the Biden-Harris-Obama third administration here.
times we played the bite on your show of them asking Biden how he feels about a rematch with Trump.
He says, I'm not worried about it.
We're going to use the Constitution so he can't run.
There it is, right there.
Absolutely.
And by the way, I've got a statement from the Biden-Harris Obama third administration here.
I'll read this on him.
Biden-Harris campaign statement on today's verdict...
Below is a statement from Biden-Harris 2024 Communications Director Michael Taylor on today's verdict.
In New York today we saw no one is above the law.
My God, that's rich.
Donald Trump has always mistakenly believed he would never face consequences for breaking the law for his own personal gain.
But today's verdict does not change the fact that the American people face a simple reality.
There is still only one way to keep Donald Trump out of the Oval Office at the ballot box.
Convicted felon or not, Trump will be the Republican nominee for president.
So they're capitulating to that.
The threat Trump poses to our democracy has never been greater.
That's why they went off the ballot.
He is running an incredibly unhinged campaign.
of revenge and retribution.
That's what they're doing.
Pledging to be a dictator one day.
That's all out of context.
And calling for the Constitution to be terminated.
That's not even true.
So he can reign and keep power.
A second Trump turn means chaos, ripped America freedoms, and fomenting political violence, which they're going to stage, riots when he's president-elect.
And the American people will reject it in November.
Wow.
Let me get Roger Stone's take of the Noah Troyers.
First of all, an admission here that John Trump is doing formidable So they're basically saying, even despite this, you know, we're going to have to stop him from becoming president.
So they already recognize the backfire here.
And then just a constant recitation of their phony talking points.
They are the ones who are a threat to democracy.
They're the ones trying to lock up their leading political opponent.
They are the ones spying on 178,000 Americans without search warrants.
They are the ones seeking to censure free speech, censure free speech on the internet and in all modes of communication.
They are the authoritarians.
They are the threat to democracy.
Today's conviction just proves that.
Roger, we're looking it up now, but I saw it two days ago.
Biden said he will do an Oval Office address, normally reserved for war, tonight.
So guys, check it.
They may change it if he's, you know, too dumped up.
But what do you expect Roger Stone to hear out of the puppet Biden?
Look, I think he's going to do what he always does.
He's going to launch an attack on Donald Trump and the voters who support him.
The attack on his supporters is almost as vile as the attack on him.
referring to Trump supporters as deplorable, as Hillary Clinton did, is a perfect example.
This vilification of MAGA Republicans, vilifying people whose sin seems to be that they want to put their own country first.
It is dangerous.
It is divisive.
This is the politics of fear.
This is the politics of violence.
They're the ones actually advocating violence, all the while they claim that we are doing it.
Well, that's right.
And Roger, let me add that next big point.
I want you to continue on here.
We're going to take this live feed and put it on my ex account in like five minutes.
I want you to continue on.
You're gracious to be with her as this huge news breaks.
Obviously, we'll talk to Trump tonight.
You'll be able to come back home with us tomorrow on my show and Owen's show and the other shows here at InfoWars while we're still here.
Very dark days, but...
I want to have a cautionary alert here.
I am viscerally angry.
I am physically angry over this because my rights are being robbed to vote for who I want.
This is a tyranny.
It's like having your house robbed, but far worse.
Or your children raped.
We have to be very careful.
If I was the Deep State, they will stage some false flags, provocateur something, like the failed Whitmer kidnapping that came out in court, was staged and made up by the FBI, or January 6th.
I'm very concerned about them provocateuring something.
We should get ahead of this and say, no violence.
This is going to backfire.
We do not support any violence.
Roger Stone.
You're absolutely right, Alex, that much of this is meant to provoke people.
People cannot be provoked.
Again, we still don't know all of the ramifications.
We don't know, for example, when sentencing will be.
We don't know whether Trump is theoretically going to be confined to home and confinement, which would certainly cramp his campaign style, which is really their goal, or whether he'll even be allowed to remain at liberty pending appeal.
That is not automatic, not with this wildly partisan judge.
So I think we have to let this play out over the next couple of days.
I suspect you're going to have a surge of millions of dollars into Trump's campaign coffers, which is important because Biden has been outraising him, although last month Trump did outraise Biden.
But overall, when you include the party committees, they've outraised us.
So that's... Well, let's be clear.
They've got billionaires.
We've got small people.
More to be for Trump.
By the way, the numbers are in.
It's now a July 11th sentencing date, Roger Stone.
Again, a lot will be determined between then and now.
What do they do with the Secret Service in the event that they elect to send him to Rikers Island?
Does he get two agents to go there with him?
I mean, this makes very little sense.
They know this will be overturned.
They don't care.
The point was to get the headlines, to get the moniker.
So they can now gloat about it.
And the fact that they were only in for 11 hours on a 34 count indictment.
Experienced criminal defense lawyers tell me if there was serious consideration, they'd have been in there for a week.
So let's stop there.
Let me ask you this.
You know the big guy, the real big guy, not Joe Biden, the 10% of the big guy.
How is Trump going to respond to this?
Look, I'm sure that he is disappointed, but I also think he's a realist.
He said every day in the hallway for the last week, this is rigged, folks.
This is rigged.
I'm not being allowed to put out a defense.
The whole thing is rigged.
The judge is corrupt.
I mean, he's saying some of these things, I think in violation of the gag order, paying the fines because they've sought to silence his voice.
But look, you know what he's like.
He's a brawler.
He's going to be resilient.
He's going to be angry.
But he's going to be more committed than ever.
He's already said in many interviews, he was ready for this.
Remember he said, if I have to go to jail for the Constitution, I'm ready to do that.
He's already said it.
So we know how he feels.
- Well, we can imagine what the debate's gonna be like and Biden's announcement tonight, which he said he'd make, we're checking to see if he's still gonna do it.
I mean, this is going to be, I predict now, in fact, it's not a prediction, I know this is gonna backfire because America is awake and they see what's going on and even my own persecution, it's nothing compared to Trump or Rogers that was horrible but still not as bad as Trump's. it's nothing compared to Trump or Rogers that was horrible The people have rallied to us seeing through this.
I predict this is their waterloo.
I predict that they've really, really screwed the pooch here, Roger.
I think they have overreached.
Everybody, including those on the left, knew this was their weakest case.
I think they failed to prove their case.
Based on what I've read, there are rare instances where there's a due process violation.
If, in fact, you had different people for different charges.
That remains to be seen.
They said, again, that he was convicted on all 34 charges.
That would mean the jury had to be anonymous.
That tells you something right there in 11 hours, 11 hours.
And this is the first president in history indicted like this, and the Democrats admit to take him out of the game.
Absolutely insane.
Roger, keep going for a few minutes.
I want Owen to pop in.
I'm going to go make sure this gets cut out right now and put up on real Alex Jones on X.
We might do an X simulcast right now.
We're already video simulcasting.
Maybe an X basis because this is huge.
People need to respond.
This is historical.
I'm always happy to be on with the...
The great Owen Schroyer.
Owen, what's your take on this?
Well, I wonder what they're going to do, because they obviously don't want Trump campaigning.
They saw that massive rally he had in the Bronx.
They don't want the optics of that ever again.
And then Biden goes to Philadelphia, literally can't fill a high school.
If they have big enough balls to put an ankle brace on him, they'll probably do it.
I mean, sentencing being July 11th, there's probably some agreements between what he can and can't do now and then to remain out of prison.
It's normally how it goes.
So I don't know what those agreements are.
Roger, do you care to speculate?
Yeah, no, you raise an excellent point.
There are conditions of probation, and they can be as strict as the judge wants them to be.
But this is naked election meddling.
He needs to challenge it.
I think he will.
There is a way to do that based on everything I have read.
Very rare that the U.S.
Supreme Court will hear it, but they do have authority to reach down to any court, state or federal, when there's a violation of due process, which I think has been the case here.
Well, and I guess, considering the debates are coming up as well, that Okay, sorry.
So, yeah, I'm guessing here that one of the motives is to keep Trump off the campaign trail.
I mean, there's no doubt about that.
This is all being run from the White House, at least to a certain extent, with the judge's daughter getting hundreds of millions of dollars from the Democrats.
I mean, I'm sure that that's not a coincidence that that's what's going on here.
But Do you think that they just cancel a debate?
I mean, what do they do next?
Because there's so many different things on the table right now.
No, they're not going to want to cancel a debate.
This is the centerpiece of their defense strategy, pardon me, of their debate strategy.
This is all about Joe Biden being able to say to Donald Trump, you're a convicted felon.
The correct response would be, of course, and Joe, you should be and you will be soon enough.
Because the House Republicans, just this past week, more evidence of Joe Biden meeting with the Chinese, ironically, at a Sandy Hook memorial event, cutting a $10 million a year deal for the Biden crime family.
So there's plenty there.
Trump's best best tactic is to turn this around on him.
He can he can negate this trial by denouncing it as rigged, but then he can spin immediately on the to the vulnerabilities of Hunter and Joe and Jim Biden, which are actually genuine egregious financial and tax crimes.
There's.
I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are in the Stone Zone, the place for politics.
Is America undergoing a political realignment?
Will an unjust result from a jury in New York City only accelerate that realignment?
There's more than anecdotal evidence that African-American voters, Hispanic voters, and even younger voters are moving into the Trump column.
Joining me today to discuss this and other political matters, of course, my co-host Troy Smith, the Editor-in-Chief of Slingshot.News.
Roger, it's a huge day.
Happy to be here, as always.
It is an interesting question.
Most people don't realize this, but in 1932, more African Americans voted for Herbert Hoover than Franklin Roosevelt.
In 1960, despite Nixon's mishandling of the arrest of Dr. Martin Luther King, still almost a third of African Americans voted Republican.
That's of course because of the role of the Republican Party in the Civil War.
It was the party of emancipation.
But because of the New Deal and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, African Americans realigned with the Democratic Party beginning in the 1950s, culminating with African Americans being an almost monolithic Democratic vote in this country in more recent elections.
It was actually Donald Trump's ability to make incremental gains in that community that allowed him to win the presidency in 2016.
If you will examine the vote in places like Detroit and Milwaukee and Miami, Fort Lauderdale and other major Philadelphia, certainly, you will see a small incremental but still significant increase between those votes received by Mitt Romney and those votes received by Donald Trump.
Now, however, I think there's even greater opportunity in that community.
And to discuss that and other matters, my good friend Bishop Leon Benjamin joins us now.
Hello.
Hello, Roger.
God bless you and Troy.
Good to be with you guys today in the Stone Zone.
I love it.
I must say, Leon, that beard makes you look very distinguished, very distinguished indeed.
Well, look, it's all what's happening right now.
The black community, point blank, has made up their minds.
There's no turning back.
There is a complete, what I call a complete exodus, off of the Democratic plantation.
a total and complete exodus.
And we have to be able to understand that all the atrocities that's been going on over the last 50 plus years in the African-American community, in the minority community, has not gotten any better, especially in the minority community, has not gotten any better, especially in these rundown Democratic cities run by Democratic mayors and Democratic state houses and Democratic governors.
I mean, it just goes on.
And now a breath of fresh air through, uh, none other than the brash New Yorker.
A breath of fresh air.
To come up for that air is not enough.
We have to come completely out of the mud, out of the muck, and the Maori clay, and stand now completely on solid policies called America First.
And that's what's happening, Roger.
Yeah, it was very interesting to me that President Joe Biden had a speech at the NAACP, which was basically completely negative.
It was, uh, your victims You're going to be victims.
America is unfair to you.
You're hated.
Whereas Donald Trump's message in the South Bronx was completely uplifting.
It is a message of economic empowerment.
It is a message of black capitalism.
It is a message of self-responsibility.
I think that his Platinum Plan, for example, which was modeled after a plan put forward by President Richard Nixon, In 1968 called black capitalism to inject capital into these urban areas to make low cost loans available to minority business owners to expand their businesses.
And of course, enterprise zones, opportunity zones where taxes could be pushed off for those seeking to start new businesses in urban areas.
This seems to me to be a more resilient message for that community.
It looks to me, based on the polling, that black voters are looking for the same thing that all voters are.
Safe neighborhoods, good schools, economic opportunity being at the top of that list.
Tell us a little bit, Leon, about your MAGA Black Project, which I find Fascinating.
Well, look, MAGA Black, Black, Brown and White Unite, we are not apologizing for wanting to have a good life in the Black community.
And that means we need everybody to come together, whether it be Black, Hispanics, Latinos, whether it be Whites, it doesn't matter.
But the policies Uh, that we're pushing right now through MAGA Black are what Kennedy did back in the day, saying that a rising tide raises all ships.
So we're going back to dealing with infrastructure, dealing with community, education, school choice, school reform.
We're dealing with also economic reform, where we're creating jobs, just like what happened in the first administration of Trump through the Opportunity Zones and the Tax Reform Act, the JOBS Act, where we were creating jobs Hand over fist.
I mean, we employed more African Americans during the first Trump administration than any other administration in history.
More African Americans, more Asians.
I mean, even women, more women were being put back in the workforce.
And so we're going again and facing Look, good conversations in the barbershops.
We're going to the hood, Roger!
We're going where sometimes Republicans say, I don't know if I want to go there.
Well, we got to go there in 2024.
We got to go into these places, into the barbershops, into the churches, black churches, and challenge, challenge the people again to say, look, have you been any better off Come on.
Since 2020.
Has anything changed now from 2020 to 2024?
And we already know it's a rhetorical question.
We don't really want to answer because we already know the answer.
The answer is no.
Things have gotten worse.
High gas prices.
High food prices.
Come on.
I mean, high mortgage rates, rents, people can't even own a home.
Fentanyl has, you know, crossed in through the borders because of China and gone into our deepest inner-city black communities where people are dying every day.
I mean, this is all what MAGA Black now has.
Look, with the help of many patriots, Thank God for our supporters and those that are supporting us.
They can go to our website at magablack.org and join in to the fight.
But we are in major battleground states.
We're in Pennsylvania.
You mentioned Philly.
We're in Philly.
We're in Georgia, Atlanta.
We're in Detroit, in Michigan, and in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
And we're about to open up probably a couple other states because people are hungry for change in the black community.
And no more denying.
It's been an exodus for a while, Roger.
Like you mentioned, Mitt Romney, from that time going forward, there's been a total determination that something needs to change, and especially between black males between ages 18 and 34, they are making the change.
They are leaving the Democrat plantation, and they're making up in their minds that, hey, if they can go after Trump, Put him in jail?
Throw the key away?
What's going to happen to us?
So there is total, 100% identity, come on, being able to identify with someone like Donald Trump.
That's what's happening, Roger.
And it's happening on a large scale.
The polls don't even tell half the story.
Troy Smith, the editor of Slingshot.News and my co-host here.
Do you have a question for Bishop Leon Benjamin?
Absolutely.
Mr. Benjamin, I wanted to ask you about what's going on in the cities as it pertains to illegal immigration because we see rising problems in New York and other cities where city resources are being given to non-citizens.
Can you speak to this and the effect it's having on the black community nationwide?
Absolutely.
It's really hitting it where it really hurts.
Children already failing in schools.
Since COVID, I mean, the reading rate has gone down.
Graduation rate has gone down.
Now you're bringing illegals into the very schools that we're supposed to be teaching our kids.
It has been atrocious.
Could you imagine telling your children, you can't go to school?
This year anymore because we're bringing illegals and turning your school into housing?
This is ridiculous.
So it's really impacting.
I've been getting calls even in Chicago.
It's been crazy in Chicago what's been going on with illegal immigration.
So it migrated some kind of way from the southern border All the way up to the northern borders.
So there is no more closed borders.
What this Biden administration has done, the fiasco at the borders, it is a bloodbath.
It really is because we're letting criminals in.
The crime has increased in the inner cities.
We still got MS-13 gangs and people who come out of hospital asylums that have been let loose into our country.
The worst of the worst have been coming across the borders.
And on top of that, we've gotten people that we can't even identify.
That have come in.
So we're talking about 10 million up to 17 million who have crossed since this administration has started.
It's getting ridiculous and it has impacted where the welfare system is now being strangled.
So what should be going to the black community when we talk about the EBT system, the EBT cards, the paying for child care, all those things are now being strangled because of illegal immigration.
We've got a short video here produced by the MAGA Black Project.
Let's run it.
For decades, the Marxist left has propagandized African Americans in an effort to make them dependent on government and ensure their own power.
In doing so, they have destroyed individuals, families, and entire communities.
The Democrat Party has been the primary vehicle and means of the devastating destruction and the subjugation of black and other minority communities.
Since Lyndon Johnson's cynical perversion of the Civil Rights Act, black and brown Americans have had to endure pain, hopelessness, and empty promises from politicians and organizations in and out of government to use them and abuse them for power and political gain, then ignore them until the next election.
In 2016, the election of Donald J. Trump brought the much-needed change.
The America First policies of his administration brought real prosperity, dignity, and restored hope to communities damaged and victimized by so many years of liberal policies and lies.
President Trump's Make America Great Again movement gave rise to the greatest economy This Republic has ever experienced.
It provided those living in victimized and subjugated communities real opportunity to take full advantage of the American dream for the very first time.
These policies were breaking the chains of dependence on government, giving birth to real hope and opportunity.
The Biden regime's Build Back Better debacle has erased historic gains of Trump's America First MAGA agenda.
Increasing levels of crime, unemployment, rising prices, moral decay, and the overreaching efforts to remove our individual God-given rights has devastated once hopeful individuals, families, and whole communities.
For generations, Democrats have followed the Marxist playbook by driving wedges of division and hatred among Americans of all stripes.
What the Marxists in Washington and those around the country fail to understand is that those living in minority communities are not stupid.
They don't want to see themselves as victims or wards of the Marxist master state, or to be controlled by lying politicians, race hustlers, and all-powerful bureaucrats.
The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way.
The liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical, through tricks or tokenism.
Look how much African-American communities have suffered under democratic control.
America must reject the bigotry of Hillary Clinton, who sees communities of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future.
Trump's MAGA policies provided a taste of true independence, dignity, hope, prosperity, and freedom to those who had only dreamed of these things.
For the first time, Americans who had all their lives felt trapped in a cycle of poverty, persecution, and exclusion were able to taste the sweetness of America's promise.
Now, years after President Donald Trump's removal from the White House and the enactment of the present regime's policies, the whole nation is suffering, especially black and brown communities.
Many in these communities are waking up to the reality of the situation our nation is facing.
They are witnessing the absolute persecution of Donald Trump, the one man who kept his word to work on their behalf.
They recognize the unfair hate filled treatment he is receiving, and they recognize it for what it is.
They find themselves in solidarity.
They understand this man who worked so hard to provide them a shot at the dream and vision by Martin Luther King Jr. is being victimized himself, as were others who shared that dream.
The goal of MAGA Black is to unite those seeking to fulfill Dr. King's dreams and truly make America great again.
The past is in the past and it must not be repeated.
The future is before us and we must unite to make the dream a reality.
Join us.
A very powerful video by my friend Leon Benjamin that I think laid it out very nicely.
In addition to the economic empowerment issues, I think the criminal justice reform record of Donald Trump is something that was not utilized as extensively as it should have been in the 2020 campaign and really does need to be utilized in this campaign.
It is Joe Biden, who as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is the author of the 1994 Crime Bill.
This shifted the focus of the war on drugs away from drug kingpins and drug traffickers and drug cartels and drug dealers to the end user.
In other words, it was Biden in a law signed by Bill Clinton that for the first time mandated the harsh mandatory penalties Now, people with this problem belong in drug treatment programs.
They don't belong in incarceration.
I'm talking about people with no previous criminal record, people who are not violent, people who are only hurting themselves.
But in order to win re-election, Joe Biden and Bill Clinton put together this bill in order to look tough on crime.
It's ironic that Hunter Biden is now seeking to walk on the crimes that his father mandated harsh penalties for.
Really quite extraordinary.
Leon, do you think that that issue, criminal justice reform, should be an important element of Donald Trump's appeal in the black community?
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, after all of this lawfare, we really got to gut the whole judicial, the whole legal system.
And so what the First Step Act did was cause the community to ally themselves again with the With the prisons, with the BOP, the Bureau of Prisons and all of the other jails and so forth, where now we can work from the inside out.
And that's what has to happen.
So it's not just drain the swamp, it's drain the legal system too.
And President Donald Trump will be the right person to go in and re-initiate again the First Step Act, which was very, Very, very beneficial to the black community and everybody else.
There were people, as you know, Roger Stone, were getting let out that they thought they'd never see the light of day.
And so we are back in that position again.
And I think right now that should be at one of the things at the top of the ticket when it comes to criminal justice reform.
So you are right spot on in saying that.
It has always been ironic to me that in the case of both the First Step Act and the Second Chance Act, the only two major pieces of criminal justice reform in decades, that so many members of the House Black Caucus Who have been calling for these exact reforms for years, voted against it simply because it was put forward and pushed by President Donald Trump.
So they did this to the detriment of the people that they allegedly represent.
Troy, do you have a final question for our guest, Leon Benjamin?
Absolutely.
Sir, if we don't right the wrongs here and we see Joe Biden elected, what would you expect to see for the black community in the next four years?
I mean, it seems to me that things are already getting extremely bad and four more years of Joe Biden might just push it over the top.
I think we will not even, as you so eloquently said, Troy, we won't even recognize our nation anymore.
If Biden wins and gets in, we won't have a nation.
We won't have any opportunities, especially in the minority community.
Everything will just escalate even more.
Crime will escalate.
Poor education will escalate.
Poor economy.
High gas prices.
They're trying to bring this EV thing in.
Electric vehicles.
Who in the black community?
I mean, some can, so I'm not trying to say everybody's broke, but the majority of the people in the minority community are not going to be trying to buy an electric vehicle.
So all these things, if he gets in office, you might as well just Kiss the Black community bye-bye and allow the fall and detriment of the whole entire society.
Because there was a wise man that said, if you put your foot on one man, come on, if you keep one man down, you're keeping everybody else down.
And that's exactly what the Democrat Party has been doing for years.
And their plight against the Black community now, I believe, Is backfiring.
So we're about to see a tremendous upset here in 2024 because the black community are finally awakening.
To the plots, plans, tricks, and wows of the Democrat Party.
It is past time, due time, and it is our time.
It's all of our times.
All Americans.
We all bleed the same blood.
As one pastor said, we all bleed red, white, and blue.
We bleed the same blood.
We as Americans, we need to stand together.
And that's what MAGA Black is all about.
So I appreciate, I appreciate what you guys are doing.
Thanks.
Thank you so much for that question.
All right, Pastor Leon Benjamin, our guest today.
I want to thank you for joining us on The Stone Zone.
You see the website right there where you can reach him, the magablack.org.
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This has been a great interview and I appreciate your joining us on The Stone Zone.
Appreciate you too, Roger.
You know you're my brother from another mother, man.
And so, I just love you and just thank you for all the work you're doing.
You are pivotal in this season, so stay strong, brother.
God bless you.
God bless.
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And joining us now is a true America first candidate for the U.S.
Congress.
We call him the Chairman.
Joe Bell Nome is seeking the Republican nomination for Congress in the 11th District of New Jersey.
And, well, I love this part, he's the frontrunner.
Jersey Joe joins us now.
Roger, good to see you.
Thank you so much for joining us.
You know, it's always great when you see the America First candidate.
As the frontrunner in any congressional race, but through dint of hard work and a lot of prayer, you look to me like you're headed to Congress.
Just a question.
How many Trump rallies have you attended in your lifetime?
Well, I lost count, really, because it was around, I would say around 30.
Let's go there.
But then there's been many other events where Trump was the keynote speaker as well, like CPAC and Turning Point, those types of things.
That kind of demonstrates an incredible sense of loyalty.
30 different Trump rallies all over the country.
There is no more America First, more America First candidate than Joe Bell Nome.
Joe, tell our listeners and our viewers, describe the geography of your district because I want to make sure that people who can vote for you know how to vote for you.
So I'm in the 11th congressional district of New Jersey that encompasses Morris, Passaic, and Essex County.
The majority of that would be Morris County.
And I would say the the crutch of the district is my county where I live in Essex County.
But what's great is I ran for state senate last year and I, you know, made a really big point of getting out and meeting as many people as I can.
Supermarkets, knocking doors, going in enemy territory, making sure people know who Jersey Joe is.
So the crutch of the district becomes a powerful part of the district now for me.
So now it's about getting out the vote.
I think in a year where President Trump is on the ballot, And he's saying that New Jersey's in play.
So he's already done a rally here that was over a hundred thousand people in a blue state, which is amazing.
You know, just even if he didn't win New Jersey, just him paying attention to New Jersey, it's going to help everyone on the down ballot.
You know, New Jersey, as you know, is a state where I have extensive experience.
I ran two presidential campaigns for Ronald Reagan in the state.
I ran two campaigns for Governor Tom Kane in the state.
It is a state that I have great affection for.
Been to all 21 counties.
One time when I actually had money, I owned a beach house in Margate, New Jersey.
Long gone.
But if you don't really understand how great the Jersey Shore is, well, you don't understand New Jersey.
If you have a mental picture of New Jersey as the New Jersey Turnpike, at 95, then you really don't understand how diverse and beautiful New Jersey really is.
Plus, let's face it, it has the best Italian food on the face of the planet.
Joe, I need to point out that your race for the state Senate was conducted on a write-in basis because the local party leaders basically elected to give Democrats a free ride, and you didn't want to do that.
So on your own dime and through your own shoe leather, you mounted an extraordinarily valiant campaign for the state Senate, and you racked up a surprising number of votes under those circumstances.
So it's only natural now that you extend this to a bid for Congress.
Troy, do you have a question for Jersey Joe Belknome?
Absolutely.
It's an honor, sir.
And I wanted to ask you, you know, what do you say?
Because we saw through the mainstream media, through the late night talk show hosts, you know, they were kind of ragging on Trump's New Jersey rally, saying that there weren't 100,000 people there, kind of making fun of the audience size.
What do you say as somebody who's from New Jersey and kind of experienced it yourself?
Well, you know, it's it's funny because even my opponent was doing the same thing.
She was going around the rest of the state outside of the district saying, you know, Trump's not welcomed here.
And, you know, some they were trying to say people were coming from out of state.
I know something about people coming from out of state at Trump rallies, because I'm one of them, you know, like, on the norm.
And that's also I'm a front row Joe as well.
I'm with that group of people.
That's how I that's how I I got the moniker Jersey Joe because I was Joe from Jersey at the Trump rallies.
But yeah, that's absurd.
You're not going to get 100,000 people.
And same thing with the Bronx rally.
Those people from the Bronx, the people at the Wildwood rally, those people are from Wildwood.
I was at the only other previous Wildwood rally as well.
And yeah, I guess my answer is that's absurd.
Yeah, there's a lot of more than anecdotal evidence that would indicate that New Jersey really is in play.
Even if President Trump decides to compete there, it of course would force the Democrats to shift resources to a state that heretofore they thought was safely in the bank.
I think they're wrong.
I think the stage could be set for an upset in the Garden State.
All the polling that I've seen indicates this.
Also, the corruption of Senator Menendez has not helped the image of New Jersey Democrats.
He is one of theirs, despite their best efforts to distance themselves from him today.
I think it is important for people to note that running for Congress is an extraordinarily expensive endeavor, even if you run a low-tech campaign.
Just the cost of postage to reach all the voters in your district is prohibitive.
Obviously, we have new technologies.
We have the internet, so you can do blast emails.
You can do blast text messages.
Although those are regulated, they have to be done a certain way to be done legally.
The cost of network television is prohibitive, but on the other hand, network television is not reaching as many people as it used to.
The cost of cable television, equally expensive.
Yes, most Republican primary voters are still watching Fox.
There has been a great rise in alternative media, basically CTV and OTT.
It's becoming an increasingly important tool in terms of reaching Republican primary voters.
Joe Bellnome needs to raise money.
Campaigns run on money.
Money is the mother's milk of American politics.
Right there on the screen, you can see it.
It says VoteJerseyJoe.com.
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Please go to Joe's website and make a generous contribution to his campaign.
Here's the one thing I know about Joe Belknome.
If he is elected to Congress, He will stand in the House with members like Ana Paulina Luna and Matt Gaetz and Paul Gosar and Elise Stefanik and others as staunch supporters of President Donald Trump.
So, if you are looking to send a rhino to Congress, if you're looking to send someone Who will vote more with the Democrats than the Republicans?
Don't vote for Jersey Joe.
He's not your guy.
But if you're looking for a patriot, a guy who really understands America first, who's been in this movement from the very beginning, well, Joe Bell Nome is your guy.
Troy, you have another question for the next congressman from the 11th District.
Absolutely.
I wanted to ask you, specifically because of New Jersey, you know, we had Senator Bob Menendez, who's wrapped up in a tremendous controversy, including bribery, and he seems to be, you know, it's like the Democrats are protecting him in Congress.
I'd like for you to speak to that, because I think there's a good chance you could be representing New Jersey come 2024, and this is a big topic.
Well, so for corruption like Bob Menendez is accused of, you know, this is not even the first time, and the details of his case spell out like a movie, you know, like gold bars and, you know, cash and envelopes, him researching how much gold bars cost on the internet.
I bring a message of restore integrity because that's something our government is is seriously lacking.
So we need to restore our integrity in our in our justice system.
What we witnessed happened to Roger Stone.
What we witnessed happening to Donald Trump right now and Right-leaning conservative groups are being targeted, so that's something we need major reforms in our justice system and an FBI.
We need to restore integrity.
I know you brought up Menendez, but the theme plays out through every facet of our government.
We need to restore integrity in our border.
We need to restore integrity with spending in our country.
We need to rein in spending.
I will say this, though.
The border is the biggest issue.
I don't want to ramble on if you have another question.
Actually, Joe, that was my next question, which is, when you're out talking to voters, and I know you're working very hard, you're doing the shoe leather part of the campaign that is so very important, what do voters talk to you about?
What's the top of their mind?
Spending is big, I mean, and the border.
Those are the two major things.
And then you have some local issues, you know, with crime.
You know what?
The border, if you secure the border, like Donald Trump had done and would have completed if they didn't, you know, other things happen.
It's helped so many other problems.
It's going to stop drugs flowing in.
It's going to stop crime in this country.
It's going to make you have a country again, because without a border, you don't have a country.
It's going to stop... Cities are inundated with illegal aliens.
They can't afford it.
It creates a burden.
And what about the housing?
They're giving illegal aliens money.
They're kicking veterans out of housing to put illegal aliens in there.
I mean, I forgot what your question even was.
Yeah, I get really passionate about this stuff.
You know, it's like, why am I, you know, why am I running?
I'm just like anyone else.
I'm not a polished politician.
You know, I was a bricklayer.
Now I'm an inspector in the building department.
I'm not what you would think.
I don't have the best maybe resume for a politician, but that's not what I look for in a politician.
I look at how they vote and, you know, are they going to back our president and policies that are better for America?
And if you forget it, you don't even know who my opponent is.
She's a Democrat.
And what we've learned is when Democrats are in power, the country goes to hell.
The whole world does.
Every promise that Trump has made, it came true to fruition.
And everything he warned us about if Joe Biden had won, or if Democrats have taken control, It's true.
It happened.
You know, inflation is out of control.
You have new conflicts all over the world.
Our border is, you know, totally wide open.
And now, talk about restoring integrity, how about our elections?
So, it looks like the play is to allow illegal aliens to vote in our next election.
And Joe Biden is just figuring out ways to buy votes.
He's giving out all kinds of money.
He's trying to get rid of these loans, student loans.
You know, something I didn't even know, I just heard this today.
When you're a struggling American and you have to file bankruptcy, they didn't allow that for student loans.
The reason that they didn't allow that, Joe Biden was the author of the bill to stop them from doing that.
So now it's like he's trying to pay, he's trying to forgive the loans that it's his fault that they even are not able to file bankruptcy for.
So that's the theme with Joe Biden or Democrats.
They cause a problem, like inflation or the price of gas or whatever it is.
Then they lower it a little bit or repair it a little bit or do something to relieve it.
And then they want to take a victory lap when they're the ones that cause the problem.
All right, I'm afraid we're running out of time.
I want to ask folks again, please go to VoteJerseyJoe.com, VoteJerseyJoe.com and send a generous contribution For this America First Warrior.
Joe, thank you so much for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
God bless you and Godspeed.
We're going to be keeping tabs on your campaign and we hope to have you back before the Republican primary which comes up shortly.
God bless you and Godspeed.
Thank you.
God bless you, Roger.
June 4th, make sure you come out and vote.
Thank you.
We are days away, folks.
If you live in New Jersey, if you happen to live in the 11th District, Joe Belknome is your man.
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Let's talk some politics.
What's on your mind?
Well, Roger, there was a video yesterday, you know, we're seeing this Trump trial, this hush money trial, come to a close.
And one of the architects of your persecution is Andrew Weissman.
And Weissman was on TV yesterday saying the quiet part out loud.
Now, I'm not sure how to really preface this.
We're just going to roll the clip.
But here is Andrew Weissman saying that he has a man crush on Wan Merchan because he's persecuting Donald Trump.
Want to roll this?
Get your comments on it on the other side.
With, as you've noted, with respect to Judge Marchand, I mean, I am, I am like now, you know, I have like a man crush on him.
He is such a great judge that it's hard to see that the jurors wouldn't have the same impression.
And he's just, you just keep on thinking, if you looked in a dictionary for, like, judicial temperament, that's what you'd get.
Andrew Weissman, who was the de facto head of the Mueller investigation, a man who started his career in Brooklyn covering up mob murders, lying about who was and was not an FBI informant, went on to destroy Enron, a case in which he was unanimously overturned by the U.S.
Supreme Court and where he was admonished for prosecutorial misconduct.
This is, of course, the same Andrew Weissman Who erased the cell phone memories of the Mueller prosecutors once the John Durham investigation was announced.
The more he talks about the rule of law, the more I have to laugh.
He doesn't believe in the rule of law.
He believes in the weaponization of our criminal justice system.
It was Andrew Weissman, who is the author of my very convoluted but very clever indictment.
How do I know that?
Well, unfortunately, the copy of my indictment sent to my lawyers by CNN had in the metadata tags the initials of the man who wrote it.
Therefore, the man who leaked it prior to it being unsealed on the morning of January 25th, 2019.
That would be Andrew Weissman.
This judge, by no one's standards, is a great judge.
He has two glaring conflicts of interest.
First and foremost, he gave a campaign contribution to Joe Biden's presidential campaign.
I wonder if Andrew Weissman thinks that's okay.
It's a violation of the New York State judicial canon of ethics.
And then, of course, there is the conflict involving his daughter, who is a Democrat fundraising consultant and whose clients include the Biden-Harris campaign.
She's actually using the trial that her father is presiding over as the focal point for her fundraising solicitations.
a clear violation of the conflicts of interest rules.
Yet the judge refuses to recuse himself.
The judge's contact has not been stellar.
It has been anything but stellar.
It's interesting that legal analysts like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz, neither of whom is a Republican or a conservative or a Trump supporter, have been devastating in their critique of Judge Merchant.
The entire country waits with bated breath to hear the results from the New York jury.
Personally, I think there are only two real possibilities.
One is, of course, conviction.
In a jury that is overwhelmingly, if not monolithically, Democrats, that's a real possibility.
On the other hand, there's every possibility that there's at least one or maybe two jurors who are sane, who recognize that, even according to the analysts on CNN, The District Attorney, Mr. Bragg, has not proven his case.
It is somewhat complicated because for the financial transactions of the Trump Organization pertaining to a non-disclosure with Stormy Daniels to be a crime, the government has to prove some underlying crime.
That in itself is not criminal.
It could be a civil offense.
And that's only if Donald Trump is guilty of doing what he's accused of, which he vehemently denies.
They have to prove that this was done to either facilitate or to cover up some underlying crime.
Well, there is no federal election crime.
We know that because there was a Federal Election Commission investigation, but Judge Murchan would not allow the former chairman, vice chairman, and general counsel of the Federal Election Commission to testify to that extent.
I wonder if Andrew Weissman thinks that's fair.
So the jury could be left with the impression that Trump is guilty of some campaign finance-related crime, when that is most definitely not the case.
Also, as you know, Troy, the U.S.
Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York examined all of these issues.
Robert Costello, former federal prosecutor, was Michael Cohen's attorney at that time.
They also declined to bring any prosecution for these matters.
But unfortunately, Judge Merchant has blocked Donald Trump's defense from introducing evidence, or I should say introducing witnesses who can testify as to those two investigations.
I'm sorry if this feels a lot like my own trial, but from the gag order, To the refusal of the judge to recuse themselves after making numerous prejudicial comments, the refusal of the judge to move the venue outside of Manhattan, where Trump might get a fairer process, and the prevention of key witnesses.
In my case, I wanted to call Bill Binney, one of the most respected cybersecurity experts at the CIA, Who would have testified and presented forensic evidence that proves that there never was any Russian hack, online hack of the DNC.
In fact, there was never any online hack at all, but the judge prevented us from presenting that information because it would have undermined their entire phony indictment.
These trials continue to shock me to the extent that my trial seems to have been the template, the prototype, the dry run for what's being done to our president today.
Well, and Roger, on top of that, the architect of your, the guy who wrote your indictment is on TV as one of MSNBC's lead legal analysts.
And he's, he's, I'm sorry, but he's pushing propaganda on behalf of the Democratic Party, just like Jen Psaki and others on MSNBC.
And for you, somebody who's been through this, you've been put through the ringer over something, over accusations of something that you had nothing to do with.
It's just absurd.
I can't believe we're living in a country, and I think so many Americans are disgusted that we're living in a country where this political persecution has become such a hot topic and such an open thing.
And I think with your case, we kind of got to see, as you said, the template for what's going on right now.
And I wanted to point out, Roger, we have another clip that I want to play that I think I want to get your reaction on here because it's just, as I said, I think it's probably one of the most blatant examples of Alinskyism, of accusing the other side of exactly what you are doing that I've seen in a while. of accusing the other side of exactly what you are
Jill Biden, who is a consistent member of your worst-dressed list every single year, Jill Biden appeared on The View yesterday and she actually said, the words actually came out of her mouth, Roger, that Trump can't string a sentence together.
That's Jill Biden actually said this on The View.
Meanwhile, her husband can't walk, can't talk, can't deliver a speech, is demanding that former President Trump and him sit for the debate because he can't stand for 90 minutes straight.
Let's roll the clip of Jill Biden playing Alinskyism on The View yesterday.
Get Roger's thoughts.
Well, Dr. Biden, the first presidential debate is less than a month away, and we've debated at this table, there have been people that have thought President Biden shouldn't even debate President Trump just due to the fact that Donald Trump will gaslight, he over-talks, there are no guardrails.
He stalks.
Yeah, well, I happen to believe it's really important, more than ever, to have a debate with guardrails.
What is the strategy that the president has going into this?
Any tips you'd have for a debate that we could pull off where we could actually hear our candidates?
No, they've built that in where they're going to turn off those mics so that somebody can't ramble or scream at somebody.
You know, not that my husband would be the one doing that.
And so that's already been negotiated.
And you know, I think, but I think the American people deserve a debate, because you need to see your choices.
You need to see Trump, and you need to see the President.
And you need to see the differences.
And my husband's, and you're going to see how smart he is, and the experience he has.
And then you'll see somebody who, like you're saying, I'm going to use Julie's words, can't put a sentence together, and everything is beautiful, and it's wonderful.
Tremendous.
So, I think you deserve, the American people deserve to see the two men who are running for this office because your choice is going to be clear.
Well, you gotta wonder whether she's delusional or what.
I mean, first of all, if there's anyone who can't string a sentence together, well, that would be Joe Biden.
She also said he won't be yelling.
Really?
Maybe she missed his State of the Union address or his famous denunciation of MAGA Republicans in which he tried to You're right, it is Alinskyism writ large.
Trump is a threat to democracy, say the people who are trying to keep Trump off the ballot in all 50 states.
Trump is a threat to democracy, say the people who are trying to lock up the leading candidate of the opposition party.
Trump is a threat to democracy, says the people who were trying to censor free speech on the Internet.
Trump is a threat to democracy, say the people who spied on 178,000 Americans without a warrant from a judge just last year.
I think it's very clear who is the real threat to democracy, and Jill Biden cannot be confident about this debate.
President Trump has rejected the suggestion that both candidates should be sitting down.
This to me is a clear indicator that Biden's handlers don't think he can stand up for 90 minutes.
I think that's what that's about.
As for control of the microphone, yes, President Trump has accepted debate terms that are disadvantageous to him.
The American people want to see a real debate.
They don't want to see a canned statement by Joe Biden, then a canned statement by Donald Trump.
That's not a debate.
Those are You know, those are completely fabricated.
People want to see, in the great American tradition, they want to see these candidates mix it up the way that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton mixed it up, the way that Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter mixed it up, the way Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale mixed it up.
Look, politics is, to a great extent, theater.
People do want to be entertained.
And the president, as you know, President Trump, has called on Joe Biden to take a drug test before the CNN debate, indicating that he, Trump, is more than willing to take one himself.
I have Congressman Ronnie Jackson, who was in the White House Medical Unit for 14 years after having a distinguished career in the U.S.
Navy and working with the U.S.
Marine Corps.
He rose to the top of that office, and therefore he was the personal physician for three presidents—George W. Bush, President Barack Obama, and President Donald Trump.
He joins me, by the way, this weekend on 77 WABC Radio, Sunday afternoon from 4 To six for the Roger Stone Show, but I asked him directly whether I thought whether he thought that Joe Biden should a take a cognitive test and release it to the public, something President Trump has challenged him to do and agreed to do himself.
Congressman said yes, he was strongly in favor.
And then I asked him specifically about the drug test.
Now, Ronny Jackson cannot say that he's examined Joe Biden, and therefore he's not offering an actual diagnosis.
But at the same time, he says the patterns that he sees would indicate a steep mental decline.
But don't take it from Congressman Ronny Jackson or from Roger Stone or from Troy Smith.
The special counsel who investigated Joe Biden's illegal and willful retention of classified and top secret documents when he was vice president and a U.S.
senator said it himself in his final report that he is an elderly man and he's in decline.
There you have it.
Biden's own Justice Department saying it.
Troy, we are out of time, so I'm going to wrap it up here.
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