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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
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And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
You remember several weeks ago when AT&T had an outage that left millions of Americans stranded without cell phone service.
Well, I was among them.
And it is then that you realize how completely you depend on our electric grid, how much you depend on the fact that you have and will presumably always have electricity, and therefore you'll always have not only a fully charged cell phone, or the option to have one, and that the cell towers will be operational.
This is something I've given a lot of thought about.
We're going to talk to our guest Glenn Rhodes today, who's an expert in these areas, but first let me bring on my co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News.
Troy Smith joins us now.
Roger, it's an honor to be here.
Hope you are having a good Friday and looking forward to the weekend here.
Well, I'm definitely looking forward to the weekend.
Today is Rudy Giuliani's 80th birthday, and I'm going up to Palm Beach to celebrate the mayor's birthday with him.
George Papadopoulos is going with me.
There are going to be many, many patriots there.
So yes, I will tell you I'm looking forward I was vexed, as you know.
You remember how frustrated I was that day with no cell service.
And then I began to look at the bigger picture and the vulnerability of our power grid, the possibility of not hurricanes, which is a relatively common thing here in Florida where both of us live.
With Florida, we've seen the power knocked out by hurricanes, and that gives you a small sample of what could happen nationwide.
So, a mutual friend in California recommended Glenn Rhodes.
Glenn Rhodes is a founder of the Colorado Nanotech Initiative.
He spent 30 years at Martin Marietta, Lockheed Martin, Home Depot, Best Buys, Lowe's, as well as working for the Jefferson County government.
He is an expert in these matters.
I'm very pleased that we could finally connect.
Glenn Rhodes, welcome to the Stone Zone.
Well, thank you, Roger.
I'm privileged and honored to be here because it's all about getting the message out, right?
It is indeed.
Look, I gave your distinguished background kind of short shrift, so I'm going to let you do it.
Tell us more, tell my audience more about you, so they will understand that when you make some shocking statements here today, you're a man who knows, based on experience, what he's talking about.
Well, thank you, Roger.
So, I was educated with a degree in urban architecture and planning from the University And it was all about sustainable habitat.
Right.
And we're all concerned about sustainable habitat.
And as you know, growing up in the 70s, we're all about save the planet, you know, and everything's got to be green and everything, which is good.
But we never had really the studies on energy architecture and everything that's related to human sustainable habitat.
So fast forward to I graduate from University of Colorado.
Somehow I end up as being an aerospace planner instead of being an urban planner just because of a misunderstanding of planning and what that meant.
I was hired by Morton to be an engineering planner and it gave me a good background in science.
So right now I feel like I got a PhD in physics from all the stuff I've learned since I was 56 years old and I woke up to a eureka moment with the Fukushima nuclear disaster.
But the bottom line is this, I was I had started an initiative in Colorado to work on nanotechnology for the National Science Foundation.
So, I was doing that and we were able to get a lab in Colorado to do a nanotechnology education characterization and fabrication and did that.
So, I always had a background in how the community could view science and I was acting as an interpreter.
So all of a sudden, fast forward to March 11, 2011, and all of a sudden Fukushima nuclear disaster happened.
And I couldn't understand.
I couldn't connect the dots.
I didn't know what was going on.
And I told Karen, my wife, I said, wait a second, I thought nuclear power plants created their own power.
Why is it such a problem?
And it bothered me.
I couldn't go to sleep.
She said, well, you need to do some research.
So I typed in long duration power outage.
And it led me to a guy named Dr. Daniel Baker, who's the Director of Laboratory and Atmospheric and Space Physics in Boulder.
And I said, Dan, I'm just an ordinary citizen, but can I talk to you about something that's on my mind?
He said, sure.
Yeah, I'm available.
So he sat down with me and he said, Glenn, you've discovered something that we are very concerned about.
I go, what?
He said, well, Unbeknownst to most of the people, we had a series of congressional reports that were basically initiated by Dr. Roscoe Bartlett and Kurt Weldon, and they were doing some salt negotiation talks, and one of the generals quipped, you know, I don't know why we're wasting time doing this, we can just wipe you out with two bombs.
And Kurt Weldon and Bartlett said, What do you mean?
He goes, well, we could just EMP you to death, you know, and we would just sit back and watch your whole society just disintegrate.
So they went with their hair on fire to the Congress.
And unfortunately, my former boss, Dr. Peter Prye, who was on the House Armed Services Committee, heard about this, and they decided they would start an EMP Congressional Commission to study the effects of electromagnetism on society.
So they produced a number of reports, 2004, 6, 8, 17, and it basically said, if we get hit with a grid-down, electronic civilization-down outage, we will lose probably between 200 and 210, up to 310 million Americans within the first year.
And it's probably going to be a lot sooner.
And I told Baker, I said, how is that possible?
I mean, are we going to get radiated or something?
No, it's all about water.
It's all about water.
And Dr. Peter Pry, back in the 80s, did a series of lectures when he was at Langley, and Roger, he said, in one briefing, he was briefing some guys, and he went up to the blackboard, and he said, guys, it's all about electricity, energy, and water.
And these are the existential threats that could destroy our civilization, and we need to wake up and smell the coffee.
So, I wanted to give my hats kudos off to Dr. Peter Prye.
So, after this briefing with George Baker, he said, go talk to a couple of guys.
So, I talked to Bill Murtaugh at the Space Weather Prediction Center.
I talked to Dr. John Darrah, who's the retired Chief Scientist for the Air Force Space Command.
And then I talked to Peter Prye.
And this was in 84.
And I said, Dr. Prye, somebody gave me your name and I would like to help you out.
And he goes, you're hired!
And I said, well, Peter, I used to have a security clearance.
He goes, I don't care if you're a dog catcher, you're hired.
And I said, well, why are you so quick?
He said, because nobody's listening.
We are the Paul Revere of the energy vulnerability threat that's coming down the pike.
So I said, is there anybody working with you?
And he said, just one person, Cynthia Ayers.
And so there were three of us.
And I said, listen, as you work, Trying to get people in Washington up to speed.
Let me create an organization around you of volunteers, just patriots, that understand the message, right?
And I don't know, Troy, if you wanted to play that tribute to Peter Pryor.
Maybe not.
You don't have to.
But Peter was the tip of the spear.
And unfortunately, we lost him in August of 2022.
You know, and, you know, Roger, did you ever have a chance to meet Peter Pryde by any chance?
No, I've read about him extensively.
I'm very curious about how imminent the danger is in this country to an attack on our infrastructure, specifically an attack on the electrical grid.
If you heard the opening, It freaked me out to be without cell phone service for four hours about a week ago.
I can't imagine what it would be like if the entire country was without cell phone service, without electricity, without the ability to cook, to heat their homes, to air condition their homes, to pump water, which requires electricity.
How real is this threat, in your opinion?
Well, it is a very real threat.
Unfortunately, when Nikola Tesla and Westinghouse and Edison created the power grid, the modern power grid, they weren't thinking about the ways to destroy it.
The nation was growing, and Nikola Tesla said, and actually, we had followed Edison's Pearl Street Station.
In downtown New York City, we probably wouldn't have had the problems we had now, because it was a direct current microgrid that just sent out bursts of energy to a relatively local area.
And we would have been fragmented, we would have been great.
But Nikola Tesla said, hey, wait a second, guys, we can alternate power and do power along the long lines of distribution.
And without knowing it, because he didn't know at the time that the vulnerabilities there, and we created this open architecture, Of millions, not millions, but I should say hundreds of ways that we could disrupt the power grid.
Okay.
So there's a number of different ways that could happen, Roger.
One is we could have a cyber attack.
Okay.
We get cyber attacked all the time.
And as you may or may not know, you know, some people in our task force alerted Rebecca Smith with the Wall Street Journal that said, hey, we think we have vulnerabilities in these Chinese transformers that are coming over, and lo and behold, we've distributed them along many, many different places, and we don't know what's going on yet.
We've asked for FOIA requests.
We've tried to figure out if it's happening or not.
I don't care.
I don't need to know the answer, but I do need to have a comfort level that it's being addressed, and I don't think it's being addressed to our satisfaction.
We're trying to get the DOE and some of the other people to say, we got it covered, Glenn.
And we want to know, because we want some people in Congress to know that this is being addressed, right?
So that's one thing, the cyber attack.
The other thing is a coronal mass ejection from the sun.
Okay, so the sun has a flare that spits out a tremendous amount of energy.
It's like a flash of a muzzle on a cannon.
And that has direct interference with our radio communications at higher frequencies right off the bat.
I was in the Space Weather Prediction Center on Tuesday at 1051 Mountain Time, when we had the largest solar flare, an X 8.1, in the last 20 years.
Which is really amazing to be there, because all of a sudden this audible thing came, alert!
An X 1 or higher solar flare is now in progress.
And we saw the screen where the whole entire North and South American continent turned baby blue on the screen, and then it rose to red.
So even though it was directed, so if you see that picture in back of me, you know, if you can imagine on the side having a side blow like that, the current solar field that's giving us all this problem is going around the backside of the sun, but it shot it out, but we still got the interference.
So they immediately called Vandenberg Air Force Base and said, hey, you need to scrub that at launch because at the ultra high frequencies, we do not have the ability to track satellites and rockets and other things to go haywire.
But that, if one of those things was directed towards us, Roger, what would happen is it may create a vulnerability in all the 2,500 transformers that are the backbone of our electrical grid.
If those things go, we've just lost our civilization.
And it won't only be the United States, it'll be the whole Earth.
We'll probably lose 60% of the global population.
Because if we don't have the Transformers, and they take 18 months just to make one, they weigh 400 to 500 tons, We lose the process to process and purify our waste.
So, the people that will go first, if we get through the gauntlet of collapses of law enforcement, we go through the gauntlet.
The next gauntlet is diphtheria, cholera, and typhoid, Roger.
And so, we're trying to advocate, as Peter Pride advocated, for figuring out how we can harden those We're going to go to a quick commercial message when we come back.
Troy Smith and I are both going to ask you exactly what those things we need to do to avert this disaster are.
We're going to go to a quick commercial message.
When we come back, Troy Smith are going to ask you and I are both going to ask you exactly what those things we need to do to avert this disaster are.
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I'm Roger Stone.
I'm here with Troy Smith, my co-host, and you are in the Stone Zone.
We're talking to Glenn Rhodes, who's talking with us about the potential of cyber attacks or an attack on the grid.
You know, several weeks ago, we had an AT&T outage, which really Really turned me upside down.
I went out and got a satellite phone.
We'll talk about that a little later, but I want to pick up where we left off.
Troy, I'm going to turn it over to you.
Very clearly, Glenn said there are some things we need to do.
Let's follow up on that.
Absolutely.
So what what do you think we can do, Mr. Roach, to kind of secure the system?
I know we have vulnerabilities all over the place.
Where would you say we need to start in attacking these vulnerabilities?
What is most vulnerable right now?
Well, I would say most vulnerable is to we have to eliminate the potential to turn off our high voltage transformers.
You know, I had a senior advisor tell me, Glenn, you've got a lot of people It's like looking in the football stand and looking down at the field and you've got a thousand different rabbit holes, okay?
You could sprinkle your guys everywhere and go down all the rabbit holes and you won't make a hill of difference, right?
However, if you can identify two or three things that we can do right away, it may save the country, okay?
The number one would be we need to have congressional action to bring down a transformer, take it offline for maybe a week or maybe less, Drain the mineral oil, get in there with a hazmat suit, and see if there's a vulnerability.
So, to make sure that thing's not communicating, in or out of the substation, that it could be remotely turned off.
When you and I, Troy, talked about, I don't think they want to destroy these things, but they will turn them off.
And if they're turned off, we'll be helpless.
We won't know what to do, right?
So, I would say the number one thing is we need to eliminate those.
Number two, and along with that, is we need to practice air gap, pardon me, I call it the iron dome of cyber threats.
In other words, we need to work at, as a nation, eliminating anything that is connected to the internet, or any type of cyber vulnerability, and air gap it, so that it cannot communicate with anybody, so it can't be hacked.
And I'm not telling, I'm not saying everything, but those things that are critical for life-sustaining infrastructure, like for example, you don't want to have your wastewater treatment plant talking to China and have them turn it off, right?
I mean, that's just a general statement.
So, we need to air gap anything that's related to critical infrastructure and eliminate that vulnerability right off the bat.
So, that goes along with the transformer thing.
Number two, We need to have an integrated approach, and we've tried to do it with the nation, with the SIPA Act, we've tried to do it with the state.
I mean, we've tried, I think 20 states have tried 43 different times, including Texas, eight times, to try to do something, and everything fails.
So number two would be to set a It's a pathfinder project of a small community that we can migrate stuff that we've already put into military installations and hardened military facilities and migrate it into a community to be the pathfinder to deploy this stuff.
Once we get it all done, because right now we're shooting from the hips about how much it's going to cost.
Until we do an engineering analysis and actually do something, we're just pulling numbers out of the air and nobody knows how much it really costs.
You know, as an analyst and a cost account manager for space engineers, we had to track cost and schedule variances and they had to be exact.
You couldn't just guess what's going to happen.
So that would be number two.
Number three, I would say boots on the ground.
If we can get Congress working with all the state governors to actually have, I don't care if it's a deputy dog, I don't care if it's a couple of privates, if you have Critical infrastructure substations, maybe you weed them in with the ones that are critical, with some that are not so critical to confuse the enemy, and you have a person on the ground, how much is it gonna cost to have two soldiers at critical substations with their flashing lights on?
It's gonna cost a hell of a lot less money than deploying something, and they'd have to outrun a radio signal.
Worth every penny.
Yes, it's worth every penny, and it's not that much.
So I would say those three things right off the bat.
So, I mean, let's not cut off too big a piece of cake.
If we could just do that, we might be able to save civilization.
And then I think as an added icing on the cake, we need to deploy anything that is fragmented.
In other words, If you have, Troy, if you're hiding a technology that's going to be able to be put in my house, okay, we want you to step forward right now and get that in my house.
Because we need to fragment the grid so that one guy doesn't blow up the fat sucking pig.
You know, and that's why I tell the Greenies, I said, listen, If we put all our energy into renewable energies, but this big, giant fossil fuel pig, which I know is inefficient, if that thing dies, we don't have the gap to fill in.
And it's just like Elon Musk.
If Elon Musk and Bezos and Bill Gates are listening to me right now, say, stop whatever you're doing.
I say, get a deployed, fragmented energy system into communities to save the country.
Above all else.
And then we might have a civilization to go to the moon sometime.
But if we don't, we don't have to worry about going to the moon or Mars or anywhere, right?
Because we won't exist as a country.
So I would say those things in particular.
Glenn, I guess the real question is, do you have any level of confidence that our current Is fully aware of these potential problems and that they are acting in a manner to be prepared, as you have outlined?
Well, you know, I think that's a fair question.
And Peter Pry briefed President Trump last time and spent 45 minutes with him.
But as you know, Roger, you can have, you know, President Trump was on board with this, but to get something done in Washington, I just don't see it's possible.
We're too fragmented.
And the message, Roger, that we have to take right now from this interview is divided we will fall.
I don't care if you're straight, gay, transvestite, Democrat, Republican, Nazi, whatever.
If you don't address this issue You won't have the freedom to do whatever political bent you have.
We will fail.
It's kind of like the Titanic, when it hit the iceberg, you know, and the chief architect was on there, and they said, this, this, and this compartment were compromised, and he just looked at everybody and said, this ship will flounder.
There's no doubt about it.
We will stink.
And so that's where we're at right now, because right now, as I speak, we are at war with our adversaries, Even though nobody knows about it, and with the sun.
The natural and the human-made vulnerabilities of the power grid.
We're at war, and we have to figure out how to survive, or else the only people that will survive an EMP, possibly a nuclear war, I don't even know if they will do it, are the 25 million Bedouins who roam around in the Saudi Arabian Peninsula, right?
And the nomads, the aborigines in Australia, who don't rely on the electrical power grid for their existence.
So we will have pockets of humanity that will survive.
Why?
Because they haven't relied on the electrical power grid, which super-extends our sustainable capacity to live, the carrying capacity of our environment.
And that's what electricity has allowed us to do.
People in the 60% of the global population that are in cities, those are going to be the first to go.
And the only thing I say is, if you're in a city when all this happens, you need to go to the country as soon as possible.
It will be an absolute mess if you try to stick it out in the cities.
You will not be able to survive.
Because the FBI has told me there's an X number, I can't tell you the exact number, but I will tell you it's an exorbitant amount of gangs that are just in Denver.
Not known to be a violent community, but when you lose power, you lose law enforcement capabilities, and then everything becomes tribal.
And it's the guy with the biggest gun will win for a short time, but it's like Mad Max, it doesn't matter if you're the biggest kingpin, horrible gangster in Denver, you will eventually die as well.
I mean, it's going to be a thinning out of the population.
So we have to be proactive.
And I hate to put on a doomsday hat.
I'm all about, we can do this.
Come on, guys.
Peter, bless his heart, was saying, you know, the world's going to fall if we don't address this.
But he was always saying, my hope is that some people will be wise enough to address the issue and maybe cause our civilization dysfunction.
And he called it SANE.
You know, you hear Mad Mutual Assured Destruction?
He called it SANE, which is Strategic Assured National Existence.
That's what we're trying to do.
Secured Assured National Existence.
And so, Roger, that's all I can say.
I mean, we can do it, but I don't think it's going to come from Washington.
Hopefully, you know, and like I said, we briefed Biden.
We sent him a whole package.
But because Congress is just too slow, we don't have the mechanism to turn the ship around quick enough to address the existential threat.
And that's where, Roger, it becomes problematic.
All right.
That's a very draconian and a lot there to think about.
We're unfortunately out of time.
Let me thank our guest.
Glenn Rhodes for joining us today.
Glenn, I'm going to want you to come back because I'm fascinated by this subject, but there's a lot there for Americans to think about.
I want to thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
Thank you, Roger, and bless you.
I hope your continued safety for your family and everyone else.
Are you hanging around in Florida?
Where are you at, Roger?
I'm living in an undisclosed location in South Florida, where hopefully we'll be able to avoid a hurricane this season.
Thank you again for joining us.
God bless you.
Many, many thanks, Glenn.
All right, I'm here with Troy Smith.
We're going to get into politics, because this is the place for politics.
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I'm Roger Stone and you're back in the Stone Zone.
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Take it away.
Well, thank you, Roger.
There's a lot of controversy recently over a statue that was unveiled in the U.S.
Capitol.
And I wanted to get your opinion on this because I read online that you had actually met Billy Graham, who this statue is, a few times.
They released this.
They unveiled it.
I believe we have a video of it being unveiled that we're going to kind of roll here while we're talking.
It's of Billy Graham, and they've unveiled the statue in the Capitol.
Leftists are absolutely freaking out about this.
But as I said, you obviously have met this gentleman, and I wanted to get your thoughts on the statue and your experience meeting Reverend Billy Graham, the legendary Billy Graham.
Look, Billy Graham was one of the greatest men of the 20th century.
I met him when I was very young.
Working for President Richard Nixon, I had occasion to pick him up at the old Key Biscayne Hilton Hotel, which I remember very distinctly was made of pink stucco, and drive him to Nixon's understated compound in Key Biscayne.
Reverend Graham gave me a Bible that I still have today.
He signed it for me.
Many, many years later, when I was targeted for destruction in the Muller Witch Hunt, I had the opportunity when I was going through a very, very difficult time personally, to meet his son, Franklin Graham.
It was Franklin Graham who really, I guess, was the final voice in persuading me to change my life, to turn my life over to Jesus Christ, to ask Christ to come into my life as my personal Savior, and to protect me from those who were seeking to destroy me.
I escaped the deadly snare set by Adam Schiff, Robert Mueller, and others, only because I was redeemed in the blood of the cross.
So I'm very proud to have a signed Bible from Franklin Graham as well.
Billy Graham is a great man.
Now, I understand when I talk about my Christian faith and my belief in redemption, it drives liberals, communists, atheists, and leftists absolutely, positively insane.
When I see people, you know, in public, in an airport, or a restaurant, or a drugstore, and they say something nasty to me, they call me a name, or they accuse me of being a Russian spy, or a traitor, I used to respond with four-letter words.
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Therefore, I'm going to pray for you.
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These people are so infuriated by that peaceful claim, and that my wish that they be enlightened and also be saved.
Look, the Bible tells us that we must forgive, but it doesn't tell us that we must forget.
That's the hardest thing to do about being a Christian, particularly if you are a Sicilian, and revenge is built into your culture.
But I have managed to do that, and I give Franklin Graham, among other clergymen and other priests, rabbis, and other religious leaders who I was speaking to in that period, but I give Franklin Graham The son of Billy Graham, a great preacher in his own right.
The real credit for convincing me to change my life, which of course ended up saving my life.
All right, let's continue.
Absolutely, Roger.
We have a little bit more on the political front, kind of breaking stuff that's going on.
A tweet from the Biden HQ in this campaign.
They're actually, now we've been talking about this for a long time now, Roger, they've been trying to make the case that it's actually Trump who has trouble speaking or things like that.
They're actually trying to make the argument that he has problems with speaking and things of that nature.
While Biden can't even talk to the cameras, he can't talk to reporters, he refuses to have a press conference And by himself.
And yet we have the Biden HQ tweeting things out.
We could put that tweet up now and we'll go through it.
Basically, they're chastising President Trump, saying all these things about, oh, he's feeble-minded and he's reading a handler-printed Fox News article.
And we had a response to that tweet, which I thought was great.
It was a video that President Trump had posted on his true social account of President Joe Biden.
And I think the video speaks for itself.
Let's run that now.
That certainly does not give one great confidence.
Look, anyone who followed that entire incident in New York understands that what Trump was doing was reading the opinions of various legal experts about the flawed nature of the charges against him.
Nobody could be expected to memorize verbatim what other people had said.
Trump does plenty talking on his own behalf, but let's remember that he's at least partially gagged in this trial, and therefore he's really not allowed to defend himself.
Reading the opinions of others, like, for example, Jonathan Turley, the George Washington University College professor, law professor, writes for the New York Post, being a perfect example, does not in any way Reflect on Trump's inability to have something to say.
If anything, the president has more than enough to say.
This trial does not seem to be going very well for the prosecutors.
Michael Cohen seems to have been a giant disappointment on the stand, both in terms of the case he laid out for the government, where I don't believe he ever was able to establish
Trump's knowledge or ability in these complicated financial transactions, but also where Soros-funded prosecutor Alvin Bragg has been unable to demonstrate what the underlying crime is here that makes this a criminal trial.
In other words, the entry into the Trump Organization books, calling the payments a legal expense when they are, in fact, a legal expense.
Not sure how else you would book it.
That is not illegal.
It would only be illegal if those payments were executed in an effort to cover up some underlying crime.
Well, reaching an NDA agreement with an individual is not a crime.
The U.S.
attorneys in the Southern District of New York examined these transactions.
They took Cohen himself to the grand jury.
I think they concluded he was not a credible witness.
They brought no charges.
The Federal Election Commission also examined these transactions.
They brought no charges.
Now, strangely, Judge Juan Merchant has barred Trump and his lawyers from making those two facts known to the jury.
To me, that smacks of their efforts to rig this trial.
Why would you not want the jury to know that two previous investigations, actually three, because the investigator Mark Pomerantz, who strangely left Washington to join Alvin Bragg's staff, even he concluded that who strangely left Washington to join Alvin Bragg's staff, even he concluded that this was not a crime on which Trump
But again, the judge will not allow Trump's lawyers to put Mr. Pomerantz on the stand or to question him.
By all accounts, the cross-examination of Cohn by Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's lawyer, was masterful in terms of once again demonstrating that it was Cohn who was behind these transactions.
It was Cohn who went out and took a home equity loan.
Without the knowledge of his wife, without the knowledge of Donald Trump, in order to make the payments to Keith Davidson, the attorney who was representing Stormy Daniels.
It appears to me like this entire thing was done by Michael Cohen as a way to try to prove his loyalty to Donald Trump, and presumably as a way to try to get a position In the Trump administration.
We know, I know this firsthand, Michael Cohen was furious about the fact that he was not named as Attorney General.
He was furious about the fact that he was not named as White House Counsel.
He was furious about the fact that he was not the White House Chief of Staff.
I have to be candid.
I've known Michael Cohen for over 30 years.
He is one of the dumbest human beings I have ever met.
I'm surprised that he ever passed the bar exam.
Yet he considered himself Mr. Fix-It.
In fact, he actually went out with a pilot for a TV program entitled Mr. Fix-It.
He also considered himself a sex symbol.
Folks can go to X, used to be known as Twitter, and look up women for Cohn right now, and you see a page that obviously he himself constructed, saying that he is somehow an advocate for women.
This is very, very laughable.
I think he did more damage than he did good for Mr. Bragg's case, and like Americans across the country.
I'm praying.
That there is just one juror, one juror who is fair-minded, one juror who is not politically motivated, one juror who can look at the facts and realize that Donald Trump is innocent.
That's all it would take to hang this jury.
They would be unable to reach a conclusion.
As you know, it must be unanimous.
And hopefully this nightmare, this particular nightmare, would be over.
Yesterday, you saw all these Republican members of Congress and others troop to the microphones and denounce this endorsement.
People say, oh, that's just politics.
No, that isn't politics.
This is not a legitimate indictment.
There is no crime here.
This is lawfare.
This isn't the rule of law that the left likes to talk so much about, but which they really don't, as you know, actually respect.
No, it doesn't seem that they have any respect for themselves even, Roger, and that's evident by the witnesses that they bring up.
I mean, Stormy Daniels was going off about how she believes in ghosts and she believes that she's in contact with spirits and things of that nature.
I mean, this woman, look, there's a lot of problems with just about every witness that they've brought forth.
And when you get into Keith Davidson and the revelations that Bubba Clem, the legendary radio host, made on this show, it reveals really what this case is all about, Roger.
And my question to you would be, You know, everyone's saying, oh, like you said, it's political that these people are going up there.
But to me, this case is about much more than that, in that we are figuring out just about right now how a presidential candidate who really is without it.
I mean, even his detractors have to have to admit that he's the most popular political figure in America in at least the last hundred years, probably of all time.
And it's not I don't think really that close.
And you look at his popularity, the number of people that will come to see him at a rally and things of that nature.
And the political system is so angry that he's getting the attention, that he's the champion of the people, that they're coming after him and they don't.
They don't ever want him to be in power again, Roger.
And my question to you is, do you think that this is solely about Trump or do you think that this is a precedent that they're trying to set that anybody who dares question them for the rest of time will be put through the Trump ringer?
It's an excellent question, Troy.
I think the short answer is that they see Donald Trump as an existential threat to their hold on power.
And indeed, as Mike Davis said earlier on my WABC radio show, which can be heard this Sunday between four and six, Mike Davis with the Amendment 3 project.
Look, there is a civil rights violation here.
Donald Trump's Civil rights have been repeatedly violated.
They were violated in the Russian collusion hoax.
They were violated here in this racketeering conspiracy to interfere in the election.
I think these people fear prosecution themselves.
And that's why, sadly, they will do anything necessary To stop Donald Trump from returning to the White House.
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Roger, one of the great honors of being on the show and getting to ask you questions every day is that you've seen so much politically and you've been through a lot politically.
And it brings me back to something that's referenced in one of the great films of our time, I think, Get Me Roger Stone.
And in that film, They actually show a clip of you talking about being involved in Watergate and they actually have a board which I took screenshots of that we can put up now where you were actually named during the Watergate trials and they put your name up on the board.
You talked about it in Get Me Roger Stone and I wanted to ask you about the comparison because you've seen both of this.
You've seen both ends of the spectrum here, Roger.
You saw Nixon taken down over Watergate.
You had a front row seat to that.
And you've actually also been involved in Crossfire Hurricane as a victim of that.
So I'd like to ask you, just to compare the two, it would seem to me that the spygate, the Obama spying, is ten times the scandal that Watergate was.
What is your perspective as somebody who had a front row seat?
Look, Watergate came to represent a much broader series of actions beyond the break-in in the Democratic National Committee headquarters.
To this day, there's no evidence that Richard Nixon himself knew about or ordered the break-in.
There's also no evidence that would establish a clear motive for the break-in.
Anybody who'd been in presidential politics knew that there was nothing worth Seeing at the Democratic National Committee headquarters, that action would be over at George McGovern's headquarters.
There are multiple theories.
I was 19 years old during Watergate.
I worked for a man named Bart Porter, who in turn worked for Jeb Stuart Magruder.
What that chart represents is the fact that I was instructed to pay an individual who was in the field and reporting to us on the status of the Democratic Party primaries.
No, it was not Donald Segretti.
No, I never met or had any contact or interaction with Donald Segretti.
Never heard his name until the Senate Watergate hearings.
There is a rude expression.
It's rat blank that came out of fraternity politics at the University of Southern California that was popularized not by Roger Stone, but by Donald Segretti, H.R. Hawkins.
Haldeman, and others who were USC students.
Now, you compare that To Obamagate, if you want to call it that, or the Russian Collusion Oaks, which, as you know, is a much bigger scandal.
Here's why.
In Watergate, a group of private citizens, while extraordinarily misguided, sought to break into the Watergate, where their listening devices never actually worked.
Today, there's a lot of evidence in declassified documents That the CIA was well aware of the break-in plan prior to its execution, that they infiltrated the burglar team.
At least four of the Watergate burglars were still on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency.
And they infiltrated the break-in, which was purposely botched in an effort to take Nixon down.
A lot of evidence that that is the case.
But there's no abuse of power there, as there is in the case of Russiagate, as it were, or the Russian collusion hoax.
That is the use of the full authority of the United States government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies utilizing
Essentially, the Steele dossier and also what they knew to be the false claim that the Democratic National Committee had been hacked by Russian intelligence, for which there is still to this day not an iota of proof, just a claim by John Brennan, who I think is questionable as a source, in order to launch an illegitimate and therefore illegal efforts to remove a duly elected president.
That is the greatest dirty trick in American political history.
And what's ironic is that Jake Sullivan Special Counsel John Durham's special report, final report, told us was knee-deep in these efforts.
The man who knew, for example, that there was no Russian Alpha Bank computer terminal in Trump Tower, inside the Trump Organization, but went forward and claimed there was anyway.
Hillary Clinton knew that that was a lie.
She also went forward claiming otherwise.
Then you have Anthony Blinken, who, by the way, is as bad at playing the guitar and singing as he is at diplomacy and statecraft, being the guy who lined up the 51 current and former intelligence assets, being the guy who lined up the 51 current and former intelligence assets, all of whom co-signed a letter that they knew to be a lie, that said that Hunter Biden's laptop contents had, quote, all the hallmarks of Russian that said that Hunter Biden's laptop contents had, quote, all the hallmarks of
Now, polls show us that as many as 17 percent of those who voted for Biden now say, had they been aware of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, they would not have voted for Biden.
So a clear act of election interference.
Yet I was prosecuted, even though I did nothing wrong.
No Russian collusion.
No WikiLeaks collaboration.
No other crime.
Paul Manafort was prosecuted.
For financial crimes that had been examined by the Justice Department 15 years earlier and rejected for lack of evidence.
Those were recycled in an effort to put pressure on him.
They incarcerated him before he was even convicted of any crime.
He spent 16 months in jail before he even got to trial.
Doesn't sound very American to me.
General Flynn, for those who have not seen the new biopicture, Flynn, the film, I strongly, strongly urge you to do so.
So, once again, between Watergate and Obamagate, that's the difference between an ocean liner and a rowboat.
It is, without any question, Watergate is a far less serious crime.
Yet it was used successfully to remove a president.
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