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More Phony Indictments! This Time in Arizona—GOP Strategist RC Maxwell Breaks it Down—The StoneZONE
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Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
Joining me now to break down the latest in domestic and international politics is my Normal co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith, joins me now. Roger, it's always an honor to be here. Troy, I spent a little time at the pool this morning. I think I got a little sunburned, so I feel pretty good. That
was my one break of the day. So we saw late on Friday that, or pardon me, late yesterday, that in Arizona, Donald Trump, Mayor Rudy Giuliani,
and 15 others were charged under and 15 others were charged under state law for advocating the creation of a slate of alternative electors.
Now, the mainstream media keeps calling them.
Fake electors, as if there is no historical precedent for them, as if they are not allowed under the Electoral Control Act, I think, of 1877.
But in truth, alternative electors in a presidential race have a substantial history.
In 1960, on election night, it appeared that Vice President Richard Nixon had carried Hawaii.
He put forward a slate of electors committed to himself.
The forces of Senator John F. Kennedy believed correctly that when all the absentee ballots in Hawaii were counted, that Kennedy would emerge as the leader.
Therefore, he legally established an alternative slate of electors.
And after a recanvass, and all of the absentee ballots were indeed counted,
JFK carried the state of Hawaii, and the electors put forward by Vice President Nixon were disallowed, while the electors that initially were alternative electors put forward by Senator John F. Kennedy were ultimately seated, and those votes were counted in the Electoral College.
Also unclear, and I'm not a lawyer, as you know, But I've read the Electoral College Act multiple times, and prior to its amendment, the actual role of the vice president does not appear to be clear to me.
It does not delineate precisely what his authority is, precisely what his latitude is.
A false narrative of the mainstream media who said that Trump was trying to get Vice President Pence to, quote unquote, throw out the electors in the states where he was contesting the outcome of the election.
What in fact, based on everything I have read and seen, what President Trump's advisors were urging the Vice President to do was to return those electors back to the states
The state legislatures have the ultimate authority, by the way, to certify which electors should be counted by the Electoral College and determine whether on the basis of allegations of voter fraud, anomalies, and irregularities, whether they should be replaced or whether they should be returned to the Electoral College to be properly voted.
The mainstream media, particularly those at MSNBC, I don't want to name any names, Ari Melber, have completely misrepresented to the American people what the law says, what the history is, seeking to make any effort to put aside
alternative elector slate pending the outcome of litigation, potentially as an illicit criminal act.
Now, I had no involvement in any of the efforts to either delay the certification of the Electoral College on the floor of the U.S.
Senate, nor was I involved in Georgia or Arizona or Michigan or any of these places.
My full involvement consists of reading about it and following it in the media, but they never let facts get in the way of a good fake narrative that aids their political arguments.
Joining us now to talk about what has gone down in Arizona is our guest.
That would be R.C.
Maxwell, who is a political strategist from Arizona, who joins us now.
Thanks for having me on, Roger.
I'm excited to discuss this ridiculous and ludicrous lawfare happening here in Arizona.
I'm very, very happy that you could join us, particularly on late notice.
I apologize for incorrectly introducing you as being from Georgia.
That is an error on my part.
So, tell us what transpired this late last week.
Well, look, what's transpired here in Arizona is what's been happening nationally.
If you can't beat him, throw him in jail.
Roger, the last time I saw you was actually alongside James O'Keefe when I was working as his press secretary while in New York, and he is also no stranger to this kind of just concocted BS.
I think you did a great job breaking down how alternate electors is nothing new.
It's a strategy for hotly contested elections.
I want to take you back to the year 2000.
You know, most kids during this time were watching WrestleMania, you know, when they were 12 years old.
My WrestleMania was Bush Gore 2000.
And I remember an attorney by the name of David Boies, who actually attended Broward County meetings in Florida.
And then all of a sudden after his attending at a meeting, they now change their process and they now count ballots that are called dimpled ballots, ballots that have punctured in them.
And Gore was able to get 585 additional votes.
That wasn't the end of the Democrat scheme in Florida.
They said that Republicans were intimidating people who were doing recounts down there in Florida.
Democrats actually invalidated hundreds of military ballots off of minor technical mistakes and errors that probably weren't even errors, like name spelling variations or things scribbled minorly incorrectly.
So in 2000, the Democrats, they understood exactly what the goal was, to come up with a strategy in order to get the votes that you thought could overturn the election.
That's exactly what the Trump campaign and folks were doing here in Arizona, literally just concocting a legal strategy, which is now being used as some nefarious plot to overturn the election.
Republicans in Arizona never went as far as Democrats did, actually changing and flipping votes in counties, actually invalidating votes of military members.
Republicans in Arizona never got that far.
They just said, we need to put together a slate of electorates These people are essentially Republican leaders here in Arizona, very well-known and respected leaders.
It's all concocted.
No Florida Democrat who was contesting the 2000 election results were getting their licenses removed like Rudy Giuliani is.
So Americans can see through what this is for what it is.
And honestly, I think this is the worst of all the concocted law fairs done by Democrats because it's blatantly obvious that there's nothing illegal About putting together a slate of alternate electorates during a hotly contested election where there are questions about the integrity of the election.
You know what you say is absolutely true.
If you actually read the minutes of the meeting of the slate of alternative electors in Georgia, they specifically say, we're holding this meeting, we're establishing this alternative slate of electors.
So that contingent on the outcome of litigation, all of our rights have been preserved.
That is not a claim that they should unilaterally be seated.
I don't think there's any illegal activity there, but, well, evidently, Fannie Wills sees things differently.
I'm glad that you brought up the 2000 election, because there's a huge amount of disinformation out there.
about the so-called Brooks Brothers riot.
You can find it on Twitter, if you're really a masochist, where people say, well, Roger Stone stopped the recount of votes in Miami-Dade County, and that ultimately handed victory to George W. Bush.
That is incorrect.
What I was a party to,
Was stopping two Democratic Party officials from violating the state sunshine laws, which had been decimated since then, but were then very strong, to take a pile of ballots that had already been counted three times into an area with no observers, no windows, no doors, none of the lawyers from both sides, no reporters.
And yes, I told supporters in the building not to allow that door to be closed because closing it would have been a violation of the Sunshine Law.
So we did not stop the recount in Miami-Dade.
Every single vote in Miami-Dade was recounted.
What we did stop was an attempt to recount them for the third time to find votes for And Roger, they signed affidavits saying that they were intimidated from doing their job.
Now, I don't recall any criminal charges being brought about by Bush folks in power there.
And I think the reason that being is because Bush wasn't helping on locking opponents up.
And it's clear that's what Democrats are doing.
One of the most devastating things about this lawsuit is the fact that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator.
If anything that you say in your lawsuit or in these charges have any validity to them, then you should expect Donald Trump to be charged.
I think this lawsuit, these charges were so poorly concocted, they knew that they couldn't even indict Donald Trump.
So they decided to indict all these folks.
And the entire briefing is written as a dissertation by a Democratic strategist.
It talks about how Joe Biden unequivocally won the election.
So it's just absolute BS.
And it's going to be solved through by the people.
This news came out at the same time in which a poll demonstrated how badly the Democrats are going to get shellacked out here.
Democrats got lucky in 2020 alongside the long voting lines and all the nonsense you saw out here in Arizona with the ballot paper being too long and stuff like that.
In addition to that, a lot of Republicans who were McCain supporters were just too Through lack of a better term, offended by Donald Trump's entire success and his presence.
But I think that now a lot of those McCainites, they're suffering with the housing crisis and they're suffering through Biden's presidency.
They're going to hold their nose, so call it, and they're going to vote for Donald Trump.
And Democrats know that.
So they're trying to come up with something to galvanize the base out here.
But when you're using the court system to galvanize your base for political persecution, you're getting into eerily dangerous grounds in terms of destroying the fabric of our nation.
But that's exactly what Democrats are aiming to do, Roger, and you know that very well, especially with lots of news coming out now about the CIA's involvement in Watergate.
So this is a moment of awakening for America.
2024 is very important.
And the Democrats know that, so they're going to pull out all the stops.
And it's just unfortunate that many of these good people, Tyler Boyer, Jay Kaufman, I mean, Nancy Caudill is a great older woman out here in Arizona, just a local Republican leader being indicted and now having to hire lawyers at times in which they're already, these people aren't millionaires, they aren't well-known Democratic, connected conservative Millionaires.
These are just good people being smeared by a Biden administration and their folgies just insistent on waging war and using the law as a tool for that war.
All right.
We're going to cut to a quick commercial break.
And when we come back, my co-host, Troy Smith, will have the next question for Republican strategist R.C.
Maxwell of Arizona.
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We return now to our interview with R.C. Maxwell.
He is a Republican strategist from the state of Arizona.
And we're talking about these shocking developments yesterday in which 17 people, including President Donald Trump, who I guess was named as an unindicted co-conspirator, were charged in connection who I guess was named as an unindicted co-conspirator, were charged in connection with Troy Smith, my co-host, is in the house, as is our guest, R.C.
Maxwell.
And, Troy, the next question goes to you.
Well, you know, we're seeing, you know, the Democrat Party in the state of Arizona, it seems to me, they're just taking out their political opposition.
I think you put it very well in the last segment there.
What can you tell us about Attorney General Chris Mays and where this has been kind of, like, how long has this been developing?
What was the plan here?
And where do you think they go from here?
Well, many insiders in Arizona had suspected that this could be coming for some time, and they suspected this as a result of, you know, some of the subpoenas and stuff that came down from Michigan and other states like Georgia as well.
But this was a bit of a shock, and this is also news that I can break here on the show, which is that some of the clients actually did not get the notification that the indictment had actually came.
Um, attorneys may have been informed, but attorneys had not been able to successfully make contact with some of the defendants who were, you know, on vacation.
And this was, they heard about it through the news.
Prosecutors immediately leaked this information to members of the media.
Yeah, this is certainly something that has been coming from the AG's office for a long time, and this is unfortunately what the AG's office in Arizona is focused on.
This is exactly what Democrats do.
They get into these seats of power in Arizona that has been historically Republican, like the Secretary of State's office, previously the Maricopa Recorder's office.
And all of a sudden, there's a dramatic shift in policy that just so happens to result in more power in the hands of the Democrats.
You have Katie Hobbs ripping up the school choice system immediately by destroying the equal, the ESA out here.
And now you have Chris Mays, who won by 280 votes against Abe Hamide, which is, you know, right within the margin of contestability.
I mean, even Gore was even Bush, Florida, I think was 537 votes in some of those counties at one point.
She won by 280 votes.
And many of those votes were contested by Abe.
That was just unfortunately unsuccessful.
And now you see what the stakes were, with the weaponization of government coming in immediately.
I mean, one of these defendants As someone who actually is spending a lot of time taking care of her alien husband, and now all of a sudden she's going to have to be threaded into a legal battle here.
I mean, a lot of these folks like Jake Hoffman, Senator Anthony Kern, they're dug in, they're ready to fight this.
But again, like I said, a lot of these folks are just Republican leaders out here, mothers, grandmothers, who are now being thrown into this lawfare simply because Democrats have this appetite to get Trump.
Which they're not going to do because the American people can see right through this and hopefully Arizona's legal system doesn't go rogue and we're able to get this dismissed immediately.
Well, if past is prologue, I guess I would have some concerns.
I followed very closely the contesting of the election in the state courts by Carrie Lake.
I think her attorney, Kurt Olson, is extraordinarily able It's interesting that the court gave them a very, very abbreviated period of time to make their case.
You would think that the justice system would have all the time in the world for truth and to try to sort through the facts in every argument.
That, unfortunately, hasn't happened.
It's particularly ironic because Arizona actually has a history of a past gubernatorial election being voided on the basis of egregious fraud.
Now, it was many, many, many decades ago, but it has happened.
There is precedent for it.
RC, I guess my question is, the Supreme Court filing of about two weeks ago,
In which Carrie Lake and her allies produced shocking new evidence of election irregularities, particularly abuse within the machines, while the Supreme Court seems to me not to be willing to hear that evidence, which is extraordinarily disappointing.
I wonder whether all of that compiled evidence Could not be the basis for a motion to dismiss these charges that were announced yesterday.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I mean, the motion to dismiss, I imagine, is going to be very beefy here from the defendants, considering the lack of teeth here that's in this lawsuit.
And I think Democrats are fine with that.
Again, they wanted this lawsuit to kind of be a Democratic press release.
However, a lot of the evidence that Kerry Lake has had dismissed by other courts is certainly at least evidence that there's a reason for them to put together a slate of alternate electors.
You have to remember, one of the justifications here in this charging document is that Rudy Giuliani made up allegations of voter fraud.
As long as the defendants are able to prove in this instance that these instances of voter fraud aren't made up, they're grounded in some sort of literature, whether or not that literature has not been interpreted as enough to overturn the results of election is one thing, but there's certainly enough evidence to indicate that there is just cause for the electors to have a dutiful belief that this election could be overturned on the basis of actual fraud.
And as long as that's the case, then there's nothing here.
There is no indictment because everything that the indictment is based upon is based upon the idea of made up allegations of fraud.
If the fraud is remotely possible, then this indictment goes away.
So that's a good point.
The motion to dismiss is certainly going to be beefy, and it's going to take a while for that to be I'm sure the defendants are going to appeal, even if the dismiss is not granted.
And there's going to be good reasons for an appeals court, which is usually a lot less politicized than some of the lower courts, to potentially overturn that.
So again, it's going to come down to some legal decisions.
But you know how Democrats are.
Once decisions get made, they move on to the next grift.
They move on to the next scam.
And there's going to be something else that they're going to be working on.
But Arizona just has to maintain any bit of normalcy and kind of see through this and see through what is right here.
Okay, Troy, do you have a question for our guest R.C.
Maxwell?
Absolutely.
And then afterwards, if you could add on to it, Roger, my question to you, sir, is do you think that this is the end of the road as far as 2020 election indictments?
Do you think there's going to be additional, you know, maybe not in Arizona, but in other states heading into 2024?
Because as you said, I mean, this is a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats, is it not?
It's a perfect PR stunt for the Democrats.
I don't quite think it's over with.
You had an instance not too long ago in Wisconsin, Peter Bernagher, who's been bringing about lots of complaints in Wisconsin about election irregularities.
He actually did an investigation with James O'Keefe about irregularities involving ActBlue, and now he's getting charged with intimidation of an election official.
So I don't think this is the end.
I think that Democrats realize That there are older folks out there and there are normies who don't quite pay attention to the news and aren't quite willing to believe that our court system has become politicized to this point.
And they think those people could be persuaded by instances of charges being brought about individuals because, you know, historically, you know, criminality is associated with wrongdoing.
And allegations of criminality is certainly not something that folks want to be involved in who are engaging in government servitude.
So no, I don't think we're done with Democrat indictments.
And I think that we're not done with Democrat lawsuits either.
I think you're going to see more defamation attempts, just like you're seeing against Carrie Lake, because they know that this is expensive.
And what they do is they pile together money, and their goal is to legally bankrupt you.
Lauren Windsor, who's a Democrat operative, made the mistake of sending this in an email with folks about James O'Keefe.
They said, we have to sue him to oblivion.
It's all about legally bankrupting him.
So that's what Democrats' strategy is.
Punishment is the process.
And that's one of the reasons why the moment that these indictments came, it was leaked to members of the media.
And then a lot of these defendants They may not be trying to make themselves victims, but they're going through a lot of death threats that they're getting right now.
Just constant, cyclical noise, and again, the punishment is the process, so I don't think we're done with indictments, no.
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I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith, and our guest today, R.C.
Maxwell, a Republican strategist from Arizona.
We're going to take a quick commercial break, and then when we get back, I want to ask R.C.
Maxwell, not about the past, but about the future.
How the prospects look for Donald Trump carrying Arizona in the next presidential election.
How the prospects look for Carrie Lake in the U.S.
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I'm here with Troy Smith, the editor-in-large of Slingshot.News, and also R.C.
Maxwell, who is a Republican strategist from Arizona, who we're very pleased and honored to have with us today.
All politics is, of course, not about the past, but about the future.
Richard Nixon did not get elected in 1968 by whining incessantly about the 1960 election, which was stolen from him.
It's not that election integrity is not a legitimate issue.
It is, but that's because the stealing was so egregious, so outrageous, so obvious, so documentable.
It will always be a topic.
But Americans, I think, are concerned about our future.
They're concerned about the safety of their neighborhoods.
They're concerned about the cost of living, the cost of groceries, the cost of gasoline, whether there is affordable housing, one of the huge sleeper issues in the country.
As this influx of illegal migrants puts a huge pressure on our housing stock, and I think in many cases there's resentment by U.S.
citizens, poorer black and white families, Hispanic, Asian families of the lack of affordable housing.
I'm not even touching on the fentanyl crisis, the crime epidemic, the fiscal crisis in our cities and counties and states.
Being caused by the open border policies of Joe Biden.
So that's a long intro, but R.C., how do things look in Arizona for the next election?
Things are looking really good, and one of the reasons why you're seeing that polling data look so positive is because Republicans, mainly thanks to the help of organizations like Turning Point Action, have now actually invested in the ground game.
I had the pleasure of working with some of these strategic minds like Charlie Kirk, Tyler Boyer, who essentially put together Trump's first rally, Cliff Maloney Jr., who practically built Young Americans for Liberty into the powerhouse that it was.
All those figures are working together on a ballot-chasing operation, which is essentially going to turn out Low propensity, disengaged, inactive.
Those are the voters that Republicans need to carry in order to win by a landslide.
The base is certainly woken up, but what we need to do is we need to win those uninspired voters, and the only way to reach those folks is by ground game.
Turning Point now has opened a field office in Wisconsin, now also in Michigan, and things are also looking great in Arizona.
Again, we had the votes here.
Kimberly Yee was able to win Treasury out here, a statewide position in Arizona, and she won.
She had about 300,000 additional votes that she won by.
So the votes are certainly here.
There are some things that happened in 2020 that got away from us in terms of messaging that's also being rectified.
I think Republicans in Arizona are going to have a resounding victory because Democrats like Katie Hobbs, again, they're taking away things like the ESA, which parents are using in order for their tax dollars to follow the student.
Arizona's looked at as the model for school choice because of that.
And Katie Hobbs wants to rip that up.
She's vetoing practically anything and everything because she's on a warpath.
So people realize that in Arizona and we were going to win big because of it.
Houses that were once a quarter of a million dollars are now half a million dollars in just five years in Arizona.
It's untenable.
It's unsustainable.
And I think normie voters and run-of-the-mill Republicans and independents are now finally willing to stand up and say, this is nonsense.
So because of that, you're going to see Democrats get more aggressive and they're going to get more desperate with this lawfare and touting things like Arizona, which was some nonsense that I was a part of last week with, you know, some craziness protests that's also happening this week at the Capitol over, you know, the right to kill babies.
So I think Arizona is in a good position.
But again, this is only April.
We're going to have an October surprise.
Who knows what that's going to be?
Let's just hope it's in our favor.
Roger. - Troy, you're up next.
A question for R.C.
Maxwell.
Absolutely.
So you mentioned it there.
There's been a lot of news about abortion in the state of Arizona.
Does abortion, you know, the push there to have the Democrats kind of come out and vote for abortion and strengthen their numbers, does that worry you at all?
What's the Republican strategy out there to kind of combat that?
I would be lying if I said it didn't worry me.
It certainly worries me.
Every time abortion has been put to the test legislatively, it has not succeeded.
I'm a pro-life individual, but I'm someone who also feels like the pro-life movement does not do enough when they have the spotlight.
So what we're trying to do right now in Arizona is we're trying to do enough.
We're trying to educate the public on the reality of what Democrats are proposing, and we're trying to essentially beat back the narrative that, look, we're not the ones who's radical.
It's actually Democrats who support abortion up until the point of pregnancy.
But the thing that's actually not being reported on is that Arizona Democrats were already trying to use abortion as something to get folks up and energized.
There's an abortion amendment that's actually on the ballot, most likely in November.
Petitions is certainly is currently circulating, but we think they're going to get the signature.
So on the ballot is going to be an abortion bill, very vague written in terms of its legislation.
The way it's phrased, it certainly allows the health care professional to decide if there's fetal viability or not.
And the definition of fetal viability has been changed.
So this law certainly allows abortion Up until the point of pregnancy, and it's certainly something that Democrats are trying to rally around, but we have certainly seen more fight from the pro-life movement here in Arizona on that fact, educating folks on statistics on black abortion, educating folks on how, you know, babies as early as six weeks respond to stimuli, things getting poked into them, they can feel pain.
Their neural plate has formed, and there's a lot of folks fighting back on that point.
But there's a lot of Republicans who think that maybe we should scale back.
And this is certainly something worth keeping an eye on, and something that might energize Democrats going down the road in the future.
But if you look at the polling data, it's not energizing them yet.
People are looking at their wallets, and they think that the Biden administration has to get out of there.
And Trump has done a good job staying on messaging with his abortion talking points as well.
Worth keeping an eye on and certainly something that I am concerned about.
I definitely agree with your analysis.
Here in Florida, Democrats have succeeded in putting the legalization of recreational marijuana on the ballot through a constitutional amendment.
We also have an abortion question because Governor Ron DeSantis here, forced through a six weeks abortion ban, was unpopular Even among some who are pro-life, as politically dangerous, and they put it on the ballot.
Now, this is designed not because they care about those issues per se, but to bring out a much larger number of younger voters, perhaps more libertarian-oriented voters.
First of all, I think they may be surprised, some of those younger voters that they bring Who may end up voting, for example, for the legalization of recreational cannabis, also want jobs.
They also want an economic future.
And looking at the poll numbers in Florida, Trump's gains among Hispanic voters, particularly among younger voters, and among African American voters, Have been really, really impressive.
His gains among Hispanic voters are actually historic.
They include that large a swing.
So, for example, those Spanish-speaking voters in Florida who get their news in English is where Trump and Republicans have made major inroads.
those Spanish-speaking voters who still get their news in Spanish-language media, meaning Spanish-language radio, Spanish-language cable, is where Republicans and President Trump could continue is where Republicans and President Trump could continue to make gains.
When you look at all the other factors between those voters, they're identical in their ideology, they're identical in their socioeconomic circumstances, so there doesn't seem to be Any explanation for why Republicans have made gains among one group and not the other, other than the mode of communications.
Note to self, campaign must have Spanish language radio advertising.
This is something else that I think did not happen in the 2020 election.
I think Donald Trump had and has An extraordinarily strong case to make regarding not only how a vibrant, robust economy brought us the lowest levels of black unemployment in the history of the country.
Now you add to it the criminal justice reform under the First Step Act and the Second Chance Act, essentially fixing the fact that
Under Joe Biden, we had the harsh mandatory penalties for the first time nonviolent crime of possession of small amounts of drugs, clogging our prisons and jails with people who were not a danger to themselves, to anyone other than perhaps themselves.
And at the same time, folks who believe it belonged in drug treatment programs, not in taxpayer-financed incarceration.
He gets no credit for those things.
because I don't think he talked about them enough.
Urban radio, extremely efficient way to reach black voters, should very definitely, in my opinion, be a mix.
And then, of course, there's the president's platinum plan, the economic development plan for black Americans, actually modeled on Richard Nixon's plan of black capitalism.
There's a lot to sell.
The mistake we make is not communicating with these voters.
The mistake we make is writing them off.
That is an enormous mistake.
We're going to go to a quick commercial break here, and we're going to continue with R.C.
Maxwell, who has proven to be a terrific guest.
RC, I ask you to hang on and we'll be right back.
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Welcome back folks.
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We're continuing our discussion with R.C.
Maxwell.
He is a Republican strategist from Arizona and also in the house, of course, is my co-host, Troy Smith.
The editor-in-chief of Slingshot.News.
Gentlemen.
Okay.
It's kind of hard to know where to go from here.
It's amazing how much of the nation's focus is on Arizona.
Last night I attended a fundraiser, spoke at a fundraiser for Mark Fincham, who's running for the State Senate.
He's a very good man.
It's interesting because when you've taken a beating in politics, and I certainly have taken one, my children, my grandchildren, even my wife said, you know, maybe Maybe it's time to pack it in.
Maybe you should just go to the beach and write historical books and stay out of the fray.
Well, I can't do that.
I love my country too much and I can not do that.
Therefore, I'm subjected to the vilifications and the vituperation of crazy people on social media who say, oh, Roger Stone was seen on Epstein's Island.
He was wearing a bull mask.
He assaulted a 15-year-old, and we know it was him because of his Nixon tattoo.
That is a damned lie.
There is no basis in In fact, there is no credible witness who could claim that because, well, I'm actually the first author in the country to fully expose Jeffrey Epstein.
I'm the first person to write a book about his ties to the Clinton Foundation, to the Clinton Global Initiative.
I had his Little Black Book with attribution to author Nick Bryan in my book, The Clinton's War on Women.
I also had the FAA manifest that shows you who did go to Epstein's Island.
You won't find Roger Stone's name on any of those published lists.
So this is the price you pay for being in the arena.
Sure, you can sue people who say that.
The defamation laws are not very well structured, but that's such an egregious example of defamation.
The hard part may be tracking them down to serve the folks that say crazy things like this.
All right, sorry about that diatribe, but I had to get that off my chest today.
It's not easy to be in the arena.
Tell us a little bit about your background, R.C.
I'm interested in how you got into Republican politics.
Look, you know, I was someone who, you know, didn't really know a lot about the politics within politics when I was interested.
Certainly was someone who liked to watch cable news and liked to debate.
I was a big debater in high school and college.
So I came into politics actually interning for Meg Whitman, who ran for governor in 2010.
And then I was big with Mitt Romney's actual student group, Rolling for Romney, in 2012.
Uh, then I was away from politics, you know, getting my education, dabbling in the marketing industry, and then I kind of came back, actually, 2015, 2016, really liked what Marco- really liked Marco Rubio, always liked him, he was young, you know, um, and then this guy Donald Trump was making a lot of sense, um, and I started to see how, within the Republican Party, how they were working to essentially knife Donald Trump as much as they could, and I made a risk to essentially work for Trump Team Oregon, um, and we won the election,
I'm glad you didn't resign from politics, Roger, despite all the attacks against you.
I know a lot of us in politics who are, you know, strategists, political consultants, you know, we fashion ourselves as poor man's Roger Stones.
I mean, you popularized what it is to be someone to kind of dedicate your life working for causes who are working for America and America first.
So that's essentially what I do.
I've dedicated my life to working for folks like James O'Keefe, Brigitte Gabriel, I've already said Charlie Kirk and Cliff Maloney, and just a lot of conservative entities.
And we have to take this country back, and we're not going to take it back by not showing up.
You know, I think 80% of politics is just showing up.
So you're absolutely right.
Republicans have to be in communities of color.
And I think you're right.
The Republicans have to stay on message.
I think we're making incremental gains, but we have to keep at it.
I was watching a great video of Trump throwing a football through like a little hole like they do for the quarterback challenge.
And it was in 1992.
So literally when Trump was doing that and he was taking pictures with Jesse Jackson, Joe Biden was targeting Black Americans with criminal legislation.
I think a lot of Black Americans were persuaded by that in 2020, but I think the NBA and all of these people coming out against Trump was such an uphill battle that despite the incremental gains we made, we could have made more.
Now it's 2024.
Reparations didn't come.
Illegals have supplanted Black Americans as, you know, I see people in Chicago complaining that their opioid fund is getting withdrawn and rediverted to illegal immigrants.
So I think we have to just stay on message.
I think that people will admit that they were wrong.
And I think you're going to see a lot of voters who were voters of color actually flip their vote from Biden to Trump in 2024.
So all we have to do is stay on message and show up.
And I think we're going to make big gains in those communities.
And I think that's going to be a big scare for Democrats, because without those strangleholds on the Black community and on the Brown community, they're really dead in the water.
I think you can't underscore how educated voters are.
I think there are going to be voters who surely will come out and they will vote in favor of some abortion legislation.
And then they're going to think about their wallets when they get to the top of the ticket and they're going to look around and they're going to check that ballot for Donald J. Trump.
And I hope those people also will check that ballot for those federal candidates because we need control of the Senate and we need control of Congress.
It's funny that you bring up that video.
That was in Buffalo, New York.
I was actually there that day, traveling with Donald Trump.
It was a charity event.
It's going to restabilize our economy and it's going to give people money back into their wallets.
It's funny that you bring up that video.
That was in Buffalo, New York.
I was actually there that day traveling with Donald Trump.
It was a charity event.
There were a number of the Buffalo Bills there.
We were on the far end of a football field.
What you had to do is you had to take a football and throw it through this tire.
It was essentially more than halfway down the football field.
And professional after professional from the Bills stepped up and they couldn't do it.
And then Donald Trump, who is a great natural athlete, stood up and, of course, He got the football not only directly into the tire, but directly through the center of the tire.
It was an amazing, amazing moment.
This was at a time that we were first beginning to think about the idea of Donald Trump running for public office.
I always wanted him to run for president, starting in 1988.
There were others who thought he should run for governor of New York.
I never thought that job was big enough for him.
And ultimately, I'm glad that he didn't make a race for governor.
I'm glad that he ultimately changed to focus on the most improbable presidential campaign in American history.
Extraordinary election in 19, pardon me, in 2016.
He's the first president who wasn't a general or a governor or a senator or a congressman.
So he's the first business person we've elected president.
He's the first person with no previous government experience, therefore to be elected president.
He began to realize what I saw several years earlier, which is The single most valuable commodity for someone who wishes to be president is being well known.
Getting to be well known, universally known, in America is not nearly as As easy as some people might think.
So the celebrity that he brought to a campaign for president was a very key part of his appeal.
So in other words, usually first a candidate has to establish who they are before they're able to establish what it is they stand for.
In our case, everybody already knew who Donald Trump was, so he was able to skip that step and move right into the America First agenda.
That's why I think he was not only such a successful presidential candidate, but then based solely on his fierce independence, because believe me, I can tell you, No one tells Donald Trump what to do.
No one.
He is fiercely independent.
Very much his own man.
He's not handled.
He's not managed.
He's not scripted.
He's not phony.
Most of the politicians we see don't open their mouth without polling and focus groups and roundtabling it.
Not true with Donald Trump.
What you see is what you get.
All right.
Unfortunately, we are out of time.
Let me thank our guest, R.C.
Maxwell, Arizona political strategist, for joining us today on The Stone Zone.
And R.C., you now have an open invitation next time you write one of your great pieces for Human Events, or you have something you think is important in Arizona or anywhere in the country.
You have an open invitation to return to the Stone Zone.
Thank you, Roger.
It was an honor just to be able to speak with you.
I appreciate your being here, particularly on late notice.
Okay, Troy, I'm going to leave it to you here to wrap it up.
Final thoughts?
Well, you know, Roger, one thing I was thinking about what I wanted to say today here on the show, and I see this, I'm seeing this more in business.
I'm seeing it when I go out into the world and I just interact with people.
Now, there's a severe lack of accountability.
And I think we see that in every aspect of our lives from beginning to end.
And whether it's people in business, whether it's people that are in stores, whether it's people that you just interact with on a daily basis, there's no accountability.
You have people running around acting like children, basically, for most of their lives.
And I think the problem we're seeing in America is the good people, the people that had sense, the people that actually believed in truth and honesty and integrity, they're slowly being phased out.
They're slowly getting older.
They're leaving the space.
And what's taking over is a bunch of overgrown children.
Who are really, they're pompous, they're arrogant, they have no basis in reality and they think that they're entitled to destroy people because they disagree with them.
And I think if there's anything that this next Trump presidency needs to be about, it's telling those people, no, you're not going to destroy the United States.
You're not going to silence good people because they disagree with you.
And we're done with the policing.
We're done with you putting restrictions on what we can say, how we act, how we live our lives.
We are done.
Okay, there we have it.
Thanks again to our guest, R.C.
Maxwell.
that these people have put over us.
And the overgrown children that are trying to take over society and tell us what we can and can't say, can and can't think, need to be told where to go.
And they need to go directly to hell where they belong.
So I think that's kind of what I, the message I wanted to deliver here, Roger. - Okay, there we have it.
Thanks again to our guest, R.C. Maxwell.
Thanks also to my co-host, Troy Smith at slingshot.news.
Until Monday, I'm Roger Stone.
This has been the Stone Zone.
God bless you, and Godspeed.
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