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FBI Busted In Alex Jones Takedown! Owen Shroyer & Roger Stone Discuss In The StoneZONE

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	The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
	Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
	He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
	As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
	Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
	And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
	Welcome.
	Welcome.
	I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
	Until you have been targeted by the Matrix, as General Michael Flynn was, or I was, or As Owen Schroer at InfoWars was, or Alex Jones, you really can't understand it.
	Yesterday, video surfaced of an FBI official bragging about their role in the takedown of Alex Jones, one of the most important independent journalists in the country.
	Joining me to break this down with our guest Owen Schroer is my usual co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.News.
	Roger, as always, it's an honor to be here.
	Troy, welcome back in the zone.
	Let's bring in our friend Owen Schroyer from InfoWars.
	Owen.
	Great to see you, Roger.
	Looking good, my brother.
	Well, when you go on with Roger Stone, you don't really have any room to Let anything left on the table.
	Yeah, no, you look great.
	And I really appreciate your joining us.
	As you heard the opening, as you know, until you've been the target of the matrix, as the Tate brothers like to call it, until you've been a target of the of the deep state media cabal, you really can't understand what it's like when the government wants you.
	They have Unlimited resources, they have unlimited manpower, they have unlimited authority, and for them there are no rules.
	The law, the Constitution, the evidence, none of these things really matter.
	If you are an enemy of the state, if you're a critic who contradicts their accepted narrative, like a Tucker Carlson or a Alex Jones or an Owen Schroyer, well, they will seek to destroy you.
	And I hearken back to election night in 2016.
	You were there.
	It was a euphoric moment as we saw Donald Trump go over the top.
	You and I were both very happy.
	But as you recall, Alex Jones was morose.
	I said, this is a great, this is this is really great.
	And he said, no, you really don't understand.
	He said, this is this is just the beginning.
	Now it's really going to get bad.
	And of course, I wasn't sure what to make of that.
	And of course, now we know, you know, having lived through the Russian collusion hoax, having lived through two phony impeachments, having lived through the January 6th hoax, well, Jones was absolutely right.
	I have always been a strong believer in the First Amendment.
	In other words, I always thought that Alex Jones really had a right to say whatever he thought.
	Even when I disagreed with him, I disagreed with him a lot from time to time.
	I also, like you, I agree with him a lot.
	But in a free society where free speech rights are protected, he should have the right to say whatever he wants and defend those comments.
	Late last week, a new video surfaced in which an FBI official can be seen openly bragging about taking down Alex Jones.
	Let's take a look.
	You can kind of put anyone in jail if you know what to do.
	How?
	Just let them up.
	Does the bureau practice entrapment a lot?
	We get really close.
	We call it a nudge.
	A nudge?
	A nudge.
	Sometimes you just gotta get a quick look.
	Just to see what happens.
	Sometimes you like to fuse and just wait for it to follow.
	Nothing like putting out a fake social media thing to like really get people mad.
	Alex Jones.
	Yeah.
	So, we were after him.
	You are?
	He did what we wanted.
	Which was what?
	Took his money away.
	Chopped his legs off.
	Gavin Oblenis is a contracting officer at the CIA.
	Oblenis worked for the FBI in 2021 and 2022 in the San Diego office, moved on to Homeland Security where he conducted asylum interviews at the southern border, and now works for the CIA managing multi-million dollar contracts across government agencies and private sector vendors.
	I work for, um, I work like this without, I'm not supposed to tell, Mabel kind of job.
	If I say intelligence, what do you think?
	You work for the CIA?
	Yep.
	Oh, you work for the CIA?
	I do.
	That's incredible.
	I'm a contracting officer.
	That's amazing.
	So I deal a lot with, like, different agencies.
	We're contracting with, like, Director of National Intelligence to do stuff.
	We do Navy, Army.
	Many of them, really.
	I just...FBI.
	I used to work for the FBI, so they threw the FBI at me.
	They're like, here, you used to work there.
	Oh, I'm permanent.
	I'm set.
	Good.
	Well, why did they call a contractor?
	Because I do the contract work.
	I do all the legal contracts.
	I fly out to vendors and evaluate them.
	I love the agency.
	Good for you.
	I like the Bureau, too.
	The Bureau was a lot of fun.
	I got to do a lot of cool stuff with the Bureau.
	I was the guy in the back of the truck in the van.
	Oblenis spoke to an undercover sound investigations reporter about his work experience involving near entrapment and his employers' involvement with political commentator Alex Jones's legal battles.
	As long as the bureau is able to progress far enough to be able to put pro-lifers in jail whenever they want.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that's on the agenda?
	We can, we can, we can kind of put anyone in jail if you know what to do.
	How?
	We'll set them up.
	You create the situation to where they have no choice but to act on their impulse.
	And once they act on that impulse, then we call that entrapment.
	It's a fine line.
	Does Bureau practice entrapment a lot?
	We get really close.
	Not officially?
	No.
	We get as close as we can.
	We get as close as we can to it without doing it.
	So they can entrap some of these pro-lifers into doing things that they don't do?
	Depending, yeah.
	We call it a nudge.
	A nudge?
	A nudge.
	Sometimes you just gotta give it a quick little click, just to see what happens, right?
	And how does that happen?
	You put a post out there, or you have someone fake the profile, say something that triggers, that we know is gonna trigger them, right?
	Like, we already know your history.
	If we're to that point, we already know everything about you.
	So we're like, oh, this'll piss them off.
	Sometimes you like to fuse and just wait for it to follow.
	Right?
	Like a rally.
	Like a... Oh!
	So when a rally happens and sometimes the bureau behind it... Yeah, sometimes.
	Nothing like putting out a fake social media thing to like really get people mad.
	Those fake news.
	Sometimes it's... It's not fake.
	It's embellished a little bit.
	Who would be like a big influence that you're... Influencer that you're after?
	You.
	Like a... I don't know, like a...
	I don't even know these names, like a Fox News person or like a Tucker Carlson.
	Oh, I'm sure he's in there.
	Right.
	The youngest one is the biggest and loudest.
	Like that, what was his name?
	The one that said the Sandy Hook didn't happen.
	Alex Jones.
	Yeah, so we were after him.
	You are?
	Are you still after him?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because he's broke.
	He got found guilty and had to pay like a hundred million dollars.
	So why were you after him?
	We're not anymore.
	Just to get the money from him?
	Yeah.
	Was that court case used?
	Was that a CIA case?
	It sure was!
	That was an agency thing?
	Well, actually it was a defamation case.
	So it's a civil, not government.
	But we were looking at all of his followers, commenting, following, like, who's up in Vegas today?
	Right?
	So, even though it's technically not our... well, not the agency, definitely, but the Bureau, for instance.
	Yeah, it's not our purview.
	It's a civil matter.
	But, since they got all this access to his stuff, and it's there, what can we go find?
	And did you find anything?
	I can't tell you what we did, but...
	So, you know, it's just kind of like, you know, realize the opportunity that you have.
	So with Alex Jones, you were watching him long before anything ended up happening?
	Probably.
	It wasn't my office, but I mean, we would have been well aware of what he was doing.
	And the goal with him was what?
	Just to bankrupt him?
	Oh, pretty much.
	And we let the families do it.
	What?
	We let the families do it.
	Were they encouraged to do that by the Bureau?
	Like nudged?
	We don't encourage people.
	But like, we do.
	We just say, there's no federal statute being broken.
	But you do have the option for a civil, for a civil case.
	And it's a pretty good case.
	In our opinion.
	Oh, that makes so much sense.
	I have a cousin who's a lawyer.
	So that's a lot of these cases, they're kind of encouraged by the FBI?
	Yeah, like, there's nothing federally, federal law, we can do.
	But civilly, just go at them that way.
	Chop his legs off.
	And they did?
	Yeah.
	So the FBI was happy?
	They didn't care.
	We were like, awww.
	Basically, the citizens did your job?
	Yeah.
	So you can encourage a civil lawsuit?
	Not encourage.
	But you can.
	What can you do with people like Alex Jones now?
	Is he still out?
	He's still chirping.
	He can chirp.
	Are you still watching him?
	No.
	Why?
	He did what we wanted.
	Which was what?
	Took his money away.
	We shut him up for a while.
	You're never going to shut him up again.
	Unless you put him in prison.
	But again, he didn't do anything to go to prison.
	Being ignorant is not a crime though, it's shit.
	It is.
	I mean, what?
	You could bring a nudge.
	He did inside a riot, like Cheeto.
	He didn't encourage people to go shoot people.
	He didn't.
	So he didn't do anything.
	Additionally, Oblenis states that he knows and works with FBI agents who were undercover in the January 6th Capitol riot, estimating about 20 field agents were there undercover.
	While Oblenus notes that they were not involved in violence, this appears to be the first admission of undercover FBI agents in attendance.
	I thought you said that there were FBI agents in the crowd at J6.
	There always are when there's a big protest in D.C.
	Just in case it gets out of hand like that.
	But there wasn't enough to turn that side.
	I mean, I'm talking maybe they had 20.
	You needed a thousand to get rid of that crowd.
	So they had like, just 20?
	Yeah, just to go through and observe and see what they could hear.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	Yeah, definitely.
	They needed a thousand leafs.
	That's also Capitol Police jurisdiction.
	They're in charge.
	Why they didn't have more on hand, I don't know.
	The Bureau didn't really want people knowing that they were in the crowd.
	That would be overstepping their bounds.
	A little bit.
	Do people know that?
	Why?
	Did people know that the Bureau was in the crowd?
	Nope, and probably never will.
	You know agents that were there?
	Really?
	Wow, absolutely amazing.
	It's going to take a minute to digest that.
	We're going to go to a quick commercial break and when we come back, Owen Schroyer, who hosts The War Room, my old stomping grounds at InfoWars, is going to be with us to break all this down.
	We'll be right back.
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	Welcome back, folks.
	I'm Roger Stone, and you're in the Stone Zone with my co-host, Troy.
	Smith.
	And of course, Owen Schreuer, who hosts The War Room every weekday at four o'clock central, five o'clock eastern at InfoWars.com.
	Owen, That was chilling.
	That's really unbelievable.
	Particularly when he says, you know, we nudge them.
	I know what it is to be nudged.
	A couple weeks ago, I'm sure you remember, we learned that John Brennan, who only yesterday was threatening Trump yet again, the former CIA director, said that he had worked with five English-speaking foreign intelligence agencies to monitor and bump 26 associates of Donald Trump.
	Of course, I was one of them.
	So, I know exactly what he's talking about.
	What do you think of this?
	Well, first of all, Roger, I think that we should make a habit of not trusting anybody that just eats hamburger lettuce.
	I think that we should probably just make a general rule of thumb here.
	Anybody that eats hamburger lettuce, like, oh, penis, oh, penis, oh, penis, Probably should not be trusted.
	To get serious though, there's a lot of things that we need to kind of extract and isolate from what he says.
	For example, when he talks about the Bureau being behind rallies, why does he say that?
	What evidence has he seen or what
	Operations has he's been has he been a part of that makes him say that obviously this term nudge is not something new we've been hearing about the phrase nudge from FBI agents and government agents for years so we kind of understand what that means and this nudging people into a situation where you can then entrap them or arrest them it's kind of like what happened with the case in Michigan where you had a bunch of feds and trapping people to kidnap the governor there
	When he says he's going to look at Alex's followers, he's obviously talking about the InfoWars audience.
	So what is that?
	That they now specify a target or an individual and then they say, well, we're going to spy on their followers or we're going to go and dig as much dirt on their followers and see if we can't get anything there to then blame on the individual they're following?
	Did the government encourage lawsuits?
	Have there been examples?
	Does he have evidence?
	Has he seen evidence?
	Has he been a part of the government encouraging lawsuits?
	I guess like you might nudge somebody to do something.
	Maybe you nudge someone to engage in a lawsuit.
	He also mentioned we've got Trump to incite a riot.
	Was that a nudge?
	Was that a situation with a nudge as well?
	Now, extracting those, isolating those, Let's also now pull back and look at the larger picture dealing with this individual.
	If you look at this individual's background and credentials, it's likely that he's a blowhard.
	It's likely that he is either making most of this up, Is engaging in hearsay or just trying to show off on a date and maybe he thinks he's going to impress this young man he's with maybe they met on Grindr or some other dating app like that and he's figuring I'm going to talk a big game.
	Maybe this guy is an anti-Trump liberal, so I'm going to go down that route and I'm going to act like I'm a big powerful guy.
	But when you look at his credentials, when you look at his resume, which what is publicly available on LinkedIn at least and what he claims here, most of this stuff it seems that he would not have access to.
	It seems like he's mostly a glorified secretary.
	Is what some of the analysis that I'm getting from other FBI and CIA agents is that he's basically just a glorified secretary.
	So he might have had access to other people's conversations.
	He might have had access to other people's paperwork and filing.
	Everybody does have to have a classified Uh, clearance to work there, even the janitors do.
	So he might have had access to some of this information, but was he actually in the back of a van?
	Was he actually ever in the field?
	It's likely that he was not.
	So most of this could just be hearsay.
	Now that doesn't take away that what he's talking about could be going on.
	So I think a further investigation is definitely needed.
	And Roger, this is where we get frustrated.
	Whenever we get undercover videos like this, there's one follow-up missing.
	And that is subpoenas from Congress.
	Tell me why this gentleman is not going to be receiving a notice that he is to appear before the House Judiciary Committee, the House Oversight Committee, any of these committees that the Republicans chair.
	Tell me why we never get these hearings, Roger, from all the work done in the past by Project Veritas, The O'Keefe Media Group, Sound Investigations.
	When is somebody going to be subpoenaed to appear before Congress and testify under oath about what the hell is actually going on?
	Well, you know the answer to that, Owen.
	Sadly, the Republicans who actually have cojones is an extraordinarily small group.
	I mean, there's Rand Paul, who yesterday, I think, completely exposed little Tony Fauci as the criminal that he is.
	Why isn't Fauci going to be prosecuted for lying under oath to Congress?
	Of course, there's Matt Gaetz, for example, who had the courage to bring down the entire RINO house.
	But the number of Republicans, quite sadly, who actually have courage, who actually are interested in the answers to your questions, is Sadly, very small.
	Most of the Republicans in public office today are interested, essentially, in re-election and not rocking the boat.
	So that means, in my opinion, that Alex Jones has to bring a lawsuit.
	If any of these things are true, his civil rights have been violated.
	Hopefully, Jones will not retain the same lawyer who sent every single one of his text messages Uh, to the people who were suing him, perhaps he would get a lawyer, you know, other than just going to the phone book next time.
	Uh, but there are very good lawyers.
	Uh, general Michael Flynn is suing the government over his abuse.
	That is a lawsuit that has survived summary judgment.
	So I think, uh, the Jones, uh, is I think his only path forward to get to the bottom of this.
	and demonstrate that what happened to him was a setup is a lawsuit in the right jurisdiction.
	Troy?
	Well, Owen, you've seen this up close and personal, the attacks that are coming against Infowars, and they've worked to kind of cut you guys off of the knees.
	What can you tell us about what's going on in Infowars right now?
	Is he correct in saying that Infowars is basically dying?
	What's the situation, and how long can we expect Infowars to be around?
	I know you guys will fight until the end here.
	Well, I don't think it's appropriate for me to talk about the future of Infowars.
	I want to leave that to Alex, and he talks about it on air whenever there's breaking news and stuff like that.
	I will say that, yeah, we're going to be in it till the last round.
	We'll go down with this ship.
	We recognize how important it is for InfoWars to stay on the air and what it means.
	So we don't want to go anywhere.
	I certainly don't want to go anywhere.
	My show every day, three hours a day is my pride and joy.
	So we're going to stick this out to the bitter end and hopefully it's not the bitter end in the foreseeable future.
	But obviously the long knives are out.
	They are trying to destroy InfoWars.
	They're trying to take multiple means and methods in doing so.
	But as far as the status of InfoWars, I'll leave that commentary.
	To Alex, because I just don't want to say anything that would be out of context or just wrong.
	So I'll leave that commentary to Alex, but we're on today every day that we go on air.
	I mean, I'm here in the Infowars World Headquarters studios right now.
	So every day that we go on air with the great crew here and all of our great hosts and guests is a victory for free speech.
	But I think when you look at the larger story, you have to say so many of these test cases have been brought.
	Whether it's Infowars or Alex Jones, it's always first, right here.
	And so, the lawfare, the censorship, and everything else that we've had to go through, it's just what they're trying to do to everybody else.
	And you know, Roger, you opened the show with something here that I think is very important.
	It's hard to properly, you really can't even properly explain it.
	You can only experience it.
	You can only live through it.
	When you're in that courtroom, As Roger has been.
	And you realize that the judge is against you.
	The prosecuting attorneys are against you.
	If there's any jury, it's against you.
	If there's plaintiffs, they're against you.
	And all of them have the same mindset and all of them have the same agenda.
	And as you said, Roger, they don't care about the Constitution.
	They don't care about the Bill of Rights.
	I mean, I would even go even further.
	They don't care about the truth.
	They don't care about evidence.
	They don't care about justice.
	And you think that you're sitting in a courtroom.
	It's like there's hope here.
	There's hope for justice.
	There's hope that I get a chance.
	And when you're on the wrong side of that courtroom, you realize there's really not.
	There's really not.
	Justice was never even part of the equation when you're sitting there in the corner outnumbered in that courtroom.
	It's really something that's hard to explain until you've actually been through it, until you've actually had your life put on the line, as I know you have, Roger, and obviously I've spent my time in prison as well.
	So what's unfortunate is that This is going to be the fate of other Americans.
	This is going to be the fate of other dissidents against the state, against a corrupt government, against the narrative.
	And I don't see enough of a reaction from the media.
	I don't see enough of a reaction from our Congress.
	Maybe that means they have to go through it themselves.
	But that's where we're at right now, Roger.
	It really is like that.
	And you're one of the few people that can speak from the experience.
	No, Owen, you're exactly right.
	It's like, you've been through this, it's like a nightmare from which you never will wake up.
	I mean, to this day, you know, my wife has PTSD.
	I probably have a touch of it myself.
	It's, at first you think, well, I didn't do anything wrong here.
	I'm going to get a fair trial and have an opportunity to prove that I'm not guilty, even though that's not how the system's supposed to work.
	You're not required to Prove your innocence, they're required to prove your guilt, but then they limit all your defenses.
	No, you can't prove that nobody ever broke in, pardon me, no one ever conducted an online hack of the DNC.
	You can't bring expert witnesses with forensic evidence to prove that.
	No, you can't admit those text messages in which Randy Credico admits that everything he knew about WikiLeaks and Julia Assange Came from a woman lawyer that he described as working for Assad.
	You can't, you can't, that will not be admissible in this courtroom.
	It just, it becomes a nightmare.
	Let me speak to that question that Troy asked, and obviously I don't work at Infowars, but I did work there for 18 months.
	It was the happiest time of my life.
	I think we did some groundbreaking stuff when I was there.
	And I loved being in the war room.
	Sad that some guy came along and appropriated our name, Owen.
	But here's the thing about Alex Jones.
	Alex Jones is a warrior.
	This guy is a warrior and he is a winner.
	Does not matter what they do to him, I can just tell you, he will never quit.
	He will never give up.
	He will never shut up.
	He will never throw in the towel.
	In my long friendship with him, I met him at the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.
	I met him down on Dealey Plaza.
	First time we met, he really knew who I was.
	I certainly knew who he was.
	I said, hey, Bill Hicks, what are you doing here?
	Many of the time, when I was really, you know, in the dumps, when I was depressed, when I was angry, when I was frustrated, when I was fearful, that Alex Jones would prop me up.
	He would call me up and say, man, you're a warrior.
	Get back in the fight.
	This is it.
	They hate us because we're winning.
	They hate us because we're calling them out on their And I think I played that role for him a time or two.
	So don't worry about InfoWars.
	Yes, they are definitely under assault.
	Yes, they definitely need your help.
	Yes, you do need to go to the InfoWars store and buy their products.
	Yes, you need to buy Alex Jones's book.
	They're under assault, as we are here, but you don't have to worry about Alex Jones quitting.
	One thing he will never do is quit.
	Uh, as Richard Nixon famously said, a man is not finished when he's defeated.
	He's only finished when he quits.
	Alex Jones will never quit.
	Uh, we've got a, uh, we've got a short, uh, reaction interview here, uh, of Alex Jones.
	I wish that he'd done it here at the Stone Zone, but still very good.
	Let's roll that.
	But now that this has come out, this is a FBI agent, a CIA boss.
	He's a contract manager over large contract operation.
	That's a boss.
	That's like a mini section chief saying all of this.
	And admitting all of this like it's no big deal.
	He needs to be subpoenaed by Congress.
	I am planning to launch a lawsuit against the CIA and the FBI.
	We have to bring all this out.
	And right as my bankruptcy comes to a close, and right as all this stuff is being finalized, it's really God working here that this came out at this time.
	You just said you were planning on suing the federal government.
	What would an Alex Jones versus the US government look like?
	Well, I'm talking to different law firms right now that specialize in this.
	In fact, when I get off the feed with you, I'm going to get back on the phone with the lawyers.
	It's obviously a civil rights violation.
	It's a government racketeering operation using cutouts.
	And look, I mean, they come after my mother, my father, my wife in these mediations.
	They said, listen, just come out against the Second Amendment and we'll drop all this.
	I mean, they've done that repeatedly.
	And they've even said, listen, we're a mafia and there's nothing you can do to stop us.
	To my face, in front of my lawyer, in front of Norm Pettus.
	And so they're very arrogant.
	I mean, these are the sellouts.
	These are the traitors.
	These are the people that really love being under the corrupt FBI's wings, under the CIA's wings.
	They get a thrill.
	They get to go out and persecute fellow Americans, lie about them, say all these horrible things, and then say you said it, steal your identity.
	Silence you so they can all pile in on you make movies about themselves with judges flashbulbs.
	And oh, we're so great.
	We we went out and got the big Goliath.
	No, no, you guys are the Goliath.
	I'm the David you misrepresented what I did to make me a monster and it's backfired.
	So, when you say you're going to file a civil rights lawsuit against the government over this, this is something you've clearly talked about.
	You've retained counsel on this.
	Would you go on First Amendment grounds that they eliminated your right to free speech, the right to a free press?
	And it seems like so much of what you do is, of course, crystallized in the First Amendment, first for a reason.
	I've been talking to four different law firms, and I'm literally supposed to be on with one of them five minutes ago.
	I will come back with you tomorrow, or I'll come back with you today.
	I love your show, it's huge.
	But absolutely, I've got to get the wheels on this thing rolling, and we've got a lot of options.
	But again, it's not for me.
	It's about to put it out in court, and show the evidence, and then drag them out in the light with discovery, and show what they've really done.
	And it's about congressional hearings, and it's about stopping these rogue agencies that have become domestic KGB operations.
	And if Elon Musk wants to help me, I know he's been back in a lot of lawsuits, you know out there for freedom.
	I would love to see the truth came out because when I told him that two and a half hour interview, we did three four months ago with Mario the fall.
	He said he wanted to hear, you know, the long story.
	So I told him like 10 minutes on the truth about what happened with and the PR firms.
	He goes.
	Oh, yes, the PR firms, which is the intelligence agencies.
	mouthpieces and how they did all that, how they created this Alex Jones that didn't exist and then had to show trial.
	And then the very same law firm suing me or that sued me is the one suing Elon Musk.
	So that's also a wake up call for Elon.
	All right, folks, Alex Jones, obviously in a feisty mood and ready to fight, a We're going to cut to a quick commercial break and when we come back, more of Owen Schroer, host of the iconic War Room Show at InfoWars.com.
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	I'm Roger Stone, and of course you are in the Stone Zone.
	We're here with my usual co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.News, but also our special guest, Owen Schroer.
	Now, anybody who follows the Freedom Movement knows that Owen Schroer spent a short stint in prison, despite the fact that he actually did nothing wrong.
	I think your crime We're standing on the lawn outside the Capitol.
	I believe that's what you did.
	Basically, an effort to shut Owen Troyer up because he's a journalist and a very good one.
	So, Owen, we're glad to see you back, back in the air, stronger and better than ever.
	I have to admit, you look awful great in that incredible Panama hat, which I see you sporting from time to time.
	What's next here for For you, I guess.
	Well, hopefully another hat shows up in my mail, a dress from one Roger Stone.
	That would be a great gift.
	You know, Roger, I think that every day we're kind of growing together as this America First Patriot Movement.
	I think that we're bringing new people into our movement.
	We're spreading the truth.
	We're getting America to understand the dire straits that we're in.
	And sometimes it feels like you're pulling An anchor behind you.
	Other times it feels like people are pushing you further down this path to freedom.
	And I recall, because I'll never forget it, going back to some of our days at InfoWars and the motivational factor that Alex is at times, you were in a courtroom in D.C.
	that I later found myself in as well, getting sentenced, and outside was a media gaggle.
	And I'm standing out there with this media gaggle, all these turkeys in the media, and I'm live with Alex, and he's like, Owen, none of these people understand what the hell's going on in there.
	They're just standing around, and they've got their hosts out there just waiting for their FaceTime to read their little three-minute piece on the news and then sign off, and it's all about, oh, Roger Stone is the backdrop, and none of them even understand what's happening.
	And I'm sure you recall the video, and I just went on an epic rant outside of that courtroom in front of probably dozens of mainstream media cameras, explaining to them that, hey, this isn't just about Roger Stone.
	Roger Stone is going to be the test case.
	What they're doing to Roger Stone, they're going to do to you next.
	Why don't you understand that?
	Why aren't you reporting the real story?
	Why aren't you panicked over people's First Amendment rights?
	And they just sit there like the turkeys they are and they just film and they don't understand what's going on.
	And so now here we are years later and maybe they finally do.
	What's unfortunate is so much of our work gets kind of like a needle lost in a haystack if not entirely disappeared altogether because of the censorship that we've had to endure in Throughout this period of time and so much of our work just vanishes off the social media realms and it just ends up this needle in a haystack, an entire barn of hay if you will, which is all the content that we create.
	Right now, we're going to continue to do what we do, just like you continue to do what you do, Roger, and I think that our numbers are growing.
	I think more people are interested in the truth.
	I think if you look at the collapse of the mainstream media, I mean, it must be hard for your good friend Don Lemon.
	I know you care for him deeply, but it must be hard for him to go through what he's gone through, losing his job, then getting what he thinks is going to be a lucrative deal with X, and then getting fired after one show.
	They try to prop up these other individuals on the app, Like Chris Wallace with a CNN Plus app.
	That fails miserably.
	They have to shut the entire thing down.
	So these mainstream media talking heads that were really just propped up by the platform and couldn't carry any weight on their own.
	I mean, you look at names like Bill O'Reilly.
	I mean, even Bill O'Reilly, though he still does a podcast with some success, is nowhere near the name he was when he was headlining Fox News.
	I mean, Megyn Kelly has had to go through it.
	Now she basically has to sound like us if she wants to get any ratings.
	So, I think it just shows how we've really been victorious in reshaping the media, and I think that's something that we still have to think about every day when we go on air, every day when the Stone Zone goes on air, and it's about It's about looking at the old dying old guard legacy media and realizing that they're doing nothing for the American people.
	All they're doing is regurgitating what their talking points are.
	They're not advancing anything as far as the truth is concerned, as far as what's really going on in the country is concerned.
	I mean, for the most part, they just cover for Joe Biden all day long.
	I'm watching I'm monitoring MSNBC and CNN last night.
	They just can't stop talking about Donald Trump.
	They're still telling their audience that this is it.
	Donald Trump is going to jail.
	He's the big boogeyman.
	He's the worst thing ever.
	We finally got him.
	They've been doing this for almost eight years, if not eight years now, Roger.
	So we have to continue to reshape the American body politic with this new kind of emergence of this new right, America First.
	Republican representation with the ousting of Ronald McDaniel, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, and then we have to reshape the media landscape too, mostly just by existing and watching the legacy media just kind of die off and become irrelevant.
	You know, Owen, what you say is absolutely true.
	I mean, look, most people don't know that on November 3rd of 2020, Only because BuzzFeed brought a lawsuit against the Justice Department, was the DOJ forced to release the last remaining
	Long redacted, long hidden portions of Robert Mueller's final report in which he couldn't even sugarcoat the fact that he'd found no evidence of Russian collusion against me, no evidence that I had coordinated with WikiLeaks, no evidence of any other crime, and he said that he couldn't corroborate any of the claims that right wing gadfly Jerry Corsi had made against me, which had been so widely reverberated through the press.
	I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan's Labor Secretary, Ray Donovan, who was subjected to a witch hunt investigation where he was falsely accused of corruption, but then ultimately cleared.
	And he said famously, where do I go to get my good name back?
	And therein lies the problem.
	They impoverish you, if they can.
	They destroy your reputation.
	They never tell the truth.
	People to this day think that I was convicted of Russian collusion.
	There was no Russian collusion.
	Oh, you lied to Congress.
	Really?
	What would be my motive to lie?
	What was I lying to cover up?
	Coordination of the WikiLeaks drops?
	The government produced no evidence that I was involved in any of that.
	So they're very clever and they're very vicious.
	But I know this, that I'll never quit.
	I know that Jones will never quit.
	Owen, I'm so glad to see you back on the air.
	Looking healthy, looking strong.
	Your show's better than ever.
	And now that we're no longer both on at the same time, I'd love to come back and get in my old saddle again.
	I think that'd be a lot of fun.
	Yes!
	Yes, I've been waiting for this moment and maybe we'll both wear the matching hat again and we can see who wore it better.
	Unfortunately, I lose that every time.
	People always say, Roger wears it better.
	But someday, Roger, someday I'll wear that hat as well as you.
	And I'll close with this because what you just said is so important.
	And that's where do I go to get my good name back?
	And obviously, Alex has probably had to deal with this more so than anybody else.
	I mean, I can even speak for myself here, and I'm sure that you've been through a similar thing as well, where throughout the years, I'd have people that would come up to me and say, oh, well, you know, why do you work for Alex Jones?
	Why do you work for InfoWars?
	Like, don't you see what they're doing to him?
	Don't you see the bad reputation and all this stuff?
	I'm saying, no, you don't get it.
	You don't get it.
	There's nowhere I can go and do what I do and do what I want to do and say what I say and say what I want to say outside of InfoWars.
	This is the only place where I can basically do that.
	And so I know that you can say what, and now we've reshaped the media, you can go on your show and say what you want to say.
	So I'm not implying that that applies to everybody.
	But I'm saying at the time, years ago, that was the thing is, oh, Alex is this bad guy and he's got this bad reputation.
	You're hurting yourself by working for him.
	But I saw through it.
	I knew better.
	And I said, no, this is the place to build my reputation and my platform and my show because it's where I can go and do what I want.
	And say what I want.
	But yeah, so where does Alex Jones go to get his good name back?
	And now that we have this video surfacing from this undercover journalist, you know, maybe this kind of begins the process.
	Elon Musk letting Alex back onto the platform.
	The same lawyers that went after us are now going after Elon Musk, bragging about how they're about to depose him.
	So, you know, maybe this is kind of the beginning of that process of where do I go to get my good name back?
	Well, Maybe this is the start of that process.
	Who knows?
	Maybe they do have to destroy InfoWars and take it off the air for people to finally fully understand what the deal was and that we weren't the bad guys and Alex Jones was never the boogeyman the entire time.
	But, you know, I think that's the final question.
	And what about Donald Trump?
	Where does Donald Trump go to get his good name back?
	All these people coming after Donald Trump with all these insults, they never had that to say until they decided to run for president.
	So where does Trump go to get his good name back?
	Where does our country go to get our good name back, our reputation back, our manifest destiny back?
	And this is what we're fighting for, Roger.
	Ultimately, at the end of the day, we've asked ourselves one question.
	Every day we wake up and we ask ourselves one question.
	And that question is, is America worth fighting for?
	My answer is yes.
	Alex Jones' answer is yes.
	Roger Stone's answer is yes.
	Donald Trump's answer is yes.
	So every day we wake up, is this country worth fighting for?
	The answer is yes, Roger.
	And as far as I can see, it's going to continue to be yes until we have it back.
	Very, very well put, Owen.
	I look forward to returning to the War Room.
	Let's do that soon.
	I miss you.
	I miss the entire crew at InfoWars.
	What I really miss Is the incredible Texas barbecue.
	There's no barbecue in South Florida.
	None whatsoever.
	I sometimes wake and I dream about the brisket right there in Austin, Texas.
	We won't be going downtown.
	Well, next time you come here, we'll get some barbecue together then.
	Next time I'm there, we definitely won't be going to downtown Austin for drinks, however.
	I'll tell you this, Roger.
	I'm going to bet, I'm going to do this right here on your show because I didn't commit to it last time.
	I'm going to bet you a brisket sandwich Michelle Obama is not the Democrat Party nominee.
	Do you take the bet?
	I take the bet.
	You're just trying to recover from the election bet that you still haven't paid me off.
	I got to get one on you.
	Then at least we'd be even.
	All right, folks, Owen Schroyer, EverydayInfoWars.com, 4 o'clock Central, 5 o'clock Eastern.
	You don't want to miss it.
	It's the second best show on the Internet.
	Thanks, Owen.
	Pleasure to be here.
	All right, folks, that was Owen Schroer.
	I'm Roger Stone.
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	I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you're back in the Stone Zone with my co-host, Troy Smith.
	Troy, yesterday, John Brennan, the former CIA director, the man who admits that he is a former communist, that he supported the Communist Party candidate for president of the United States, a man who, according to two high-level FBI and CIA officials,
	Formerly converted to Wahhabism, which is the most extremist brand of Islamic extremism, in a ceremony when he was the CIA station chief in Rita, John Brennan, the man who approved the visas for four of the hijackers involved in the attack on America on 9-11,
	John Brennan, who we now know, based on the Durham report, was the architect of the entire phony Russian collusion hoax.
	Why this man is not in prison, I don't really understand, but he's now back on the air warning people that Donald Trump, if he's elected president, is going to give Vladimir Putin the green light to take all of Ukraine.
	This is true insanity.
	John Brennan is one of the most arrogant, outrageous traitors in American history.
	I had John Guandolo, the former FBI counterterrorist expert, on my WABC radio show.
	We're going to get him here back in the Stone Zone.
	He was the one who broke the news, now confirmed by a second CIA source that Brennan actually essentially bowing to his masters in Saudi Arabia, converted to the most radical brand of extremism.
	This really blows my mind that MSNBC and the rest of the fake news jackals have this criminal on the air and he's threatening the next president of the United States.
	Well, Roger, and it's important to highlight because he's lying.
	And I think it's also important to point out that John Brennan had his security clearance revoked by former President Trump while he was president.
	And I think that that dealt a serious blow to Brennan's ability to sell intelligence.
	Because ultimately, Roger, whether it's Brennan, whether it's Comey, whether it's any of these people, they get into the business after being in office of maintaining their security clearance and taking government secrets and lying about them in the press.
	And we see an overlap in this strategy, Roger, with people like you, because simultaneously, while they take information misrepresented to the press and use their security clearance to kind of enrich themselves, on top of it, they target political opponents of the establishment political class, they target political opponents of the establishment political class, which would include yourself.
	And Brennan has said in a recent interview talking about Trump and Ukraine, saying about Trump, he can reduce or even stop financial and military aid to the government in Kiev.
	And that would give Vladimir Putin the green light to try to practically swallow Ukraine.
	And unfortunately, I think that will encourage Putin to hungrily, to look hungrily at the rest of Europe.
	It's just ridiculous, Roger.
	I mean, he has no proof of this.
	Trump, when he was president, we didn't have a conflict in Ukraine.
	Yet the tension between Ukraine and Russia has been going on since 2014.
	Why did we not have action during the Trump administration?
	Well, it's because Russia feared President Trump.
	Why do we have action in Ukraine by Russia now?
	Because Russia does not fear President Biden.
	And in fact, Biden has actually pushed Russia into the arms of China, where now Russia feels more emboldened to do everything across the globe that they want to do.
	So Brennan's absolutely 100% wrong.
	It's not President Trump that did this.
	It's not President Trump that's going to do this.
	It's President Biden that's actually stoked the conflict in Ukraine.
	I should also point out that John Brennan, one of the co-signers of the letter, insisting that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.
	John Brennan, who knew that the Steele dossier, the alleged report that claimed that Donald Trump had cavorted with Prostitutes in Moscow when he visited as a private citizen and he had been entertained While they allegedly urinated on a hotel bed that Barack Obama had slept in.
	100% fiction.
	John Brennan knew it was fiction.
	The FBI General Counsel, Andrew Weissman, knew it was false.
	They knew how it had been fabricated, but they used it as the rationale, the only rationale, for the approval of the illegal FISA warrants to spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
	Before Congress, FBI Director Comey said, oh no, we had a quote, rich mosaic of evidence to justify those warrants.
	But when the investigation ensued, we found out they had nothing other than the Steele dossier.
	Going back to the Durham investigation, just for one moment, Durham absolutely proves that the current National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Hillary Clinton knew that there was no computer terminal in Trump Tower connecting them to the Russia Alpha Bank.
	They knew it was false, but they put it out there anyway.
	Today, Jake Sullivan is your National Security Advisor serving the Biden administration.
	And he's part of the effort to move this country to nuclear war.
	Look, we'll pull this video down for you tomorrow.
	Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said that NATO is going to, pardon me, that Ukraine is going to join NATO.
	Folks, that will begin World War Three.
	We signed two different agreements, the Budapest Memorandum and the Minsk Accords, in which we agreed in writing with the Russians not to push Ukraine into NATO.
	Let me define that a little better.
	What we agreed to do is not put NATO missiles pointed at Russia on the ground in Ukraine.
	We are now in violation of that agreement.
	I think it was former Secretary of State James A. Baker III who said that NATO would not move one inch further east towards Russia.
	That's what this war is really about, and they are absolutely committed to bringing this nation into a thermonuclear war.
	This is insanity.
	All right, we are out of time.
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