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April 4, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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TRUMP ARREST: What You Need to Know. Guest Host Mel K. w/ Attorney John Pierce
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Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone. - Hello and welcome to the Stone Zone.
I am not Roger Stone, I am Mel K, and I'm honored to be here today.
Roger is right now on his way to Mar-a-Lago to meet the president after a crazy day in New York City, where I am, and I wanted to tell everyone that New York is a bizarre place today.
For some reason, Alvin Bragg and the mayor have basically locked down the city, brought in all the cops, and nothing really happened here.
As far as protests, they were very small, they were very divided, and pretty much peaceful for a change, at least on the MAGA side.
On top of that, there was way more press than there was anyone protesting on either side.
So a good sign for America that we are not being led down a path towards fighting one another, as I believe is really what is important to these people.
But what we did find out today was that Donald Trump was charged with things that aren't really crimes and that our justice system has completely gone off the edge.
First and foremost, the main charge here that we see over and over is falsifying business records in the first degree.
I wanted to bring in Attorney John Pierce to talk a little bit about the indictment, what it says, what it doesn't say, and where this leaves our country right now, as we talk about all the time on my show and what has happened to Roger Stone and many others.
Lawfare is the most despicable form of manipulation of both the public and the person that is targeted, and that is what we are dealing with here.
I'd like to bring in John Pierce.
Thank you very much for having me.
Thank you so much, John.
If anyone knows about lawfare, you do.
You represent a bunch of January 6th defendants.
You've represented many people over the years.
First and foremost, I'd like to just explain to the audience that's watching exactly what lawfare is and why it is used and why it is the ultimate manipulation of the law.
Sure.
So, you know, what we're seeing now, which a lot of people have talked about, and I think more and more people are saying is, you know, we're really in what you would refer to as fifth generation of warfare, both in the United States and across the globe.
And I think what's becoming more clear to folks is that we're essentially In a fifth generation war between a globalist cabal that wants to instill an authoritarian social credit surveillance system on the world, in terms of the operating system, and those who prefer the light of 1776 and decentralized power and individual liberty.
And so it's unrestricted war.
The CCP has written about this.
Steve Bannon talks about it a lot.
And essentially, it's economic, it's cultural, and sometimes kinetic.
But a big, big part of it, I think the biggest front in that battle right now, in the United States is lawfare, which simply, simply means that attorneys and institutions and the government Essentially stretches the law as far as it can, and really does not apply the facts in the law to reach justice, but essentially uses it as a political weapon to punish its political opponents to prevent its political opponents from being effective.
We're being able to run for office.
And essentially, the principle is the process is the punishment.
And so by completely launching by launching these sort of unfounded legal attacks against political opponents, the financial effect, the psychological, emotional effect, you know, the media effect, media is a huge part of it, is meant to bring down other political opponents.
Yeah, and it's been years we've seen it.
Obviously, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, General Flynn.
It is very targeted against anyone that surrounded Donald Trump or supported Donald Trump, and now it has gotten its ugly hands around Donald Trump.
Of course, today we had Alvin Bragg Okay, and it goes on and on, one after another.
The crazy part about this is he's saying that he falsified records to cover another crime, which is not even listed.
And then on top of that, it says to manipulate the 2016 election.
But if you look at the filing, Every date on there is after Donald Trump took office.
So, have you had a chance to look at this?
Because it just seems like one contradiction after another without a real crime.
So I have not actually read the indictment myself.
I was on Twitter spaces for a few hours before this, but everybody was looking at it and everybody was talking about it.
But I do know that, um, you know, apparently the 34 counts all relate to, you know, this specific issue of the, um, you know, alleged Stormy Daniels, um, hush money payment and, and really, you know, you just pointed out a couple of things that are fatal to it, but really where it falls down completely is, um, the fact that, uh, as a misdemeanor, it's completely outside, uh, the statute of limitations.
And then they try to bootstrap this into a felony by essentially saying it was election interference but you know the key thing is this was looked at by federal prosecutors and this was looked at by the FEC and and of course the DA's office previously you know they passed on it and that should be the end of the story this is this is Absolutely.
The culminating moment in American history in terms of the weaponization of the of the justice system, the criminal justice system.
I actually think in a counterintuitive way, while it is a tragic day for the Republic, it's actually also it's actually also a good sign because I think they have I think the the deep state forces and those folks have kind of reached their high watermark.
And I think this is a sign of desperation.
I think that they realize that they have no cards left to play after all their narratives have been completely collapsed in the past several years from, you know, the Russia hoax to everybody's a white supremacist to the COVID scam to big tech.
You know, everybody knows they're not conspiring with the FBI.
They have nothing else left.
And I think this is a sign of desperation.
I think it's going to backfire.
Very much on them.
I think they've made a calculated bet that despite the riskiness of this move, they're calculating that the American people will either be deceived or will be intimidated from putting Trump back in office.
And I think it's a bad miscalculation on their part.
Yeah, and what's very disturbing here is that there is actual proof that Hillary Clinton herself is the one who not only paid for the Steele dossier and started the entire Russia collusion hoax, but she's still talking about it to this day, and it's a total lie.
And yet she sits out there condemning Donald Trump yet again.
And we watched also her cohort, Nancy Pelosi, and people are saying, oh, she misspoke.
I don't think so.
Nancy Pelosi made a statement saying that Donald Trump will have the chance to prove his innocence in court.
That is the exact opposite of what's supposed to happen in the United States.
Can you comment a little bit on that supposed mistake?
I don't think it was a mistake at all.
I think that they are actually very tactical in how they are treating this.
Yeah, it was either Freudian slip for the ages or they're so brazen, you know, and hate the country so much that they just, you know, think that's the way the system should work.
I mean, of course, in the United States, you don't have to prove your innocence.
You know, you are innocent until proven guilty.
The burden is on the government, you know, to prove that somebody is guilty and to get a conviction.
It turns, you know, a thousand years of Anglo American sort of legal principles on its head to speak like that.
And it's it's look, it's indicative of These are the people that are in control on the left.
They hate America.
They want to destroy America.
They're conspiring with forces from the World Economic Forum, the CCP, and the deep state to destroy America.
It hasn't worked so well in the past few years in terms of, um, you know, really just sliding it in without anybody noticing and, uh, sealing in, you know, a thousand, uh, uh, years of tyranny.
Um, you know, Donald Trump, uh, completely, uh, you know, kind of screwed up that plan.
And, um, a lot of people started fighting back and, uh, all their narratives have collapsed and they have nothing left but to arrest an American president, uh, in Manhattan for an alleged bookkeeping error.
That's where we're at.
Yeah, that is where we're at.
And the scary part about being there is that this is actually follows a model that we've talked about many times on my show.
I know Roger's talked about it.
The color revolution that I believe America is in the middle of is not a new thing.
It's been done many times by the same people you're talking about.
I have heard Donald Trump lately more often speak about the globalist global governance, they call it.
You know, George Bush announced the New World Order and then, you know, the whole conspiracy theory police came in and just kept calling it that no matter what.
What they actually call it is a global governance and a top-down model that they've been trying to implement for quite some time.
What I see it also as is something that the American people need to really understand, that the multinational corporations, and along with this, I believe, somewhat of an oligarchy in America, have pretty much captured both parties.
I fully believe that there's a uniparty down there, and that what we are seeing right now is also a transformation where we've got to get really strong state by state.
I believe that the states can do a lot more right now than D.C., DC seems to be walking in lockstep with what you said before.
It's very clear that the Democrats, I don't even believe that they're the Democrats.
A lot of people believe that the Democrat Socialists of America are actually the ones that are molding this in the way that it's coming down with our schools, with our local communities, with our elections, very Marxist, very communist, very much about one party system.
The scary part about the one party system that they are desperate, I mean, by any means necessary today is Machiavellian as they come.
They want their one party system.
I just happen to believe that that one party system would not be run by the people that are orchestrating the controlled demolition of America.
That one-party system will be run by the CCP or another even worse global conglomerate of a totalitarian regime.
And the truth is, these people must believe that on the other side of destroying America, so that they can get their Great Reset, because what they essentially mean is that America is so bad, and like fundamentally transform it, like Obama said, and rebuild it in the image that they want, which apparently to me seems to be very similar to UN's agenda 2030.
But at the same time, these people are behaving as if They, in fact, are above the law and that when they get their one party system, they will maintain, I guess, this elitist globalist power structure that the oligarchy of America has as, you know, champion.
And that's not how history works.
If anyone knows history, they know that once Mao or Hitler or any of these tyrants took over it was the people closest to them that they eliminated first so i'm just wondering this arrogance that they're showing and and the lack of outrage both sides should be outraged as they should about the election as they should about january 6th as they should about covet origins both sides should be looking at this and standing for america and unfortunately that's no longer the america we live in yeah
no you're absolutely right about all of that um You know, there has been elite capture of the unit party, of the establishment wings of both parties, for sure.
And you see that in multiple ways.
You know, where is all this January 6 footage that Kevin McCarthy promised was going to be released?
Why is the House GOP not using the one thing that it absolutely has right now, which is the power of the purse, to obliterate the deep state and to defund the January 6th prosecutions?
I mean, I've said that over and over and over again, probably to you multiple times, and I still don't have any coherent Answer on that front.
But to your point, yes, look, this is one of the, you know, final attempted steps in a global communist revolution.
I mean, America is the last stand.
And, you know, what we've seen over the past several years are classic steps in a Maoist-like cultural Marxist revolution.
Tear down the statues, eliminate religion, tear down the nuclear family, Um, and, um, you know, destroy, destroy the culture in every way and destroy the history.
Um, you know, that's what they've attempted to do.
Now, as you also pointed out, look, the founders were, were obviously geniuses and they created, um, you know, this federal republic, the system of dual sovereignty.
And, you know, now is a time that the states need to step up.
The states are sovereign.
All the power that's not specifically enumerated as delegated to the federal government is reserved to the states under the 10th Amendment.
These Republican governors need to stand up now and act like the chief executives that they are supposed to be.
These state attorney generals need to step up now.
Local district attorneys need to step up.
Sheriffs need to step up.
And they need to act like the leaders that they purported to be when they wanted to get elected into office, because, you know, our freedom, our freedom is essentially gone at this point.
We will get it back.
But we we are we are a full on banana republic at this point.
We have lost all moral authority to speak to any issue of individual liberty or democracy or anything like that across the globe.
I think the El Salvadoran president just tweeted that out.
And look, it's it's it's game on.
If anybody was sitting on the sidelines before, if anybody didn't understand the kind of fight we're in, well, they surely better understand it now because there is no middle ground at this point.
There's no riding along the fence.
We either save our Republic or it's gone.
Yeah.
And if you recall, something that happened during Trump's administration that isn't talked about much is he was trying to reform the judicial system and the prison system.
And he was doing that First Step Act and a lot of other things to kind of help people when they get out of prison, go forward and build new lives, because that's very difficult.
It's been very difficult.
He also talked about a lot of the flaws within the judicial system.
Now he's aligned with the people that have been demanding that we reform our judicial system, but certainly reform our prison system.
And then you and I both have discussed many times about judges.
You know, all of this stuff that's happening is because there's people embedded in the DOJ and in the judicial system that are allowing unconstitutional rulings and things that are really persecution instead of prosecution over and over.
January 6th is a great example, but there are, you know, Hundreds of thousands of people who've gone through the prison system that spent years in jail.
Many, many were innocent, many railroaded, many got sentences that were outrageous.
And a lot of those people right now can find common ground with Donald Trump that they didn't before because they too were treated by the judicial system as a less than person and with no compassion, no humanity, nothing put into it.
And at the same time, they had to rebuild their lives and now they have a champion.
He was already doing this.
But now I think the Democratic Party didn't realize that he just won over, I think, a whole lot of people out there, especially in the inner cities, who've been terribly treated by the judicial system all their lives, now have a champion that actually can say, I agree with you, this happened to me, and we'll fight it together.
Yeah, look, I think this is a tremendously good thing for President Trump from a political standpoint.
I think it hands him vindication of everything that he's been screaming from the mountaintops, you know, for the past several years in terms of, you know, being a target of, you know, weaponized government.
And, yes, and it also is a good lesson to everyone that the way we stay free over the course of decades and generations and centuries is that we have a rule of law system.
We have equal justice under the law.
That is the fundamental American idea that has been shredded at this point.
But, you know, what people on the left need to understand and, you know, at a certain point it was in the other direction and it will be in the other direction again.
Is that the pendulum of power will swing.
And if you think that, you know, if anybody thinks that it is a good idea for short term political gain to tear down a rule of law society, they're going to be in for a really rough awakening when When the powers that be come for them.
Because whether it's the political pendulum switching or it's the idea that, look, in a communist society, a Marxist society, it is, you know, eventually they will come for you because they run out of everybody else's money.
And, you know, it is not a productive system.
And that's what's going to happen.
So all Americans should stand up for these principles.
That's why I launched the National Constitutional Law Union, the NCLU.
You know, the ACLU used to purport to do these things.
They obviously don't do that anymore.
And so, look, we have to return to really two things, the Constitution and God.
And if we do those two things, we're going to be just fine.
But there's a lot of work to do.
Yeah, one of the things that happened today, people might not even know yet, this is very bizarre timing to say the least.
The Ninth Circuit has awarded Donald Trump today $121,000 plus from Stormy Daniels.
21,000 plus dollars from stormy daniels this would add to the already uh it's about 500 000 she owes him in legal fees from a fraudulent lawsuit she filed uh I would think that that puts a little wrench in this, including the fact that Stormy Daniels signed a document saying that the affair that they're all talking about never happened.
And then we got Michael Cohen, who lied under oath and has gone to prison.
And we have Avenatti out there, also in prison.
So all these characters involved in this Are so unsavory, and Stormy Daniels having to give Trump back his legal fees that he wasted on her fraudulent case, on top of this happening today.
Have you ever seen such insanity transpire in the legal system?
This is an absolute pre-ring circus.
This is an absolute carnival.
And again, this was going to happen the way things were headed.
It was going to happen sooner or later.
And honestly, it's better that it happened sooner than later so we can put this thing back on track.
But, you know, that's where you talk about lawfare.
You know, look, whether it's the fact that the FEC and the DOJ looked at this before and passed on it, or it's the fact that a former, you know, the DA office looked at this.
And passed on it, or it's the fact that the Ninth Circuit just came down with that decision, or it's the fact that Michael Cohen has the credibility issues that he has.
Prosecutors are supposed to look at the entire picture, and they're supposed to have some sort of reasonableness about them as to whether or not, even if any kind of crime might have been committed technically, which I don't think there was, but there's a certain degree to which you have to look at all these factors Think about whether you can actually prove the crime and get a conviction, whether it's a good use of judicial resources, you know, and all those factors play against there being a prosecution here.
Look, as you know, you know, I was heavily involved there in Kenosha, you know, trying to help save the right of self defense and.
The second amendment.
And I was screaming from the very beginning that it was an absolute suicide mission for that DA to bring those charges in light of all that evidence.
But it's not about that, right?
It's about the fact that they are using the process in a weaponized way against these people.
And, you know, honestly, look, they love to get convictions.
They don't actually believe they will.
It's about the process.
The process is the punishment.
Yeah, you know it's funny, Alvin Bragg said, we allege Donald Trump and his associates repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters.
They don't list what unlawful activity he is hiding.
In this in this document.
So I'm still confused as to what they're talking about.
But what's really odd is that the Southern District of New York has been sitting on the Jeffrey Epstein case for multiple years now.
There are many people that are involved in the Epstein case.
Of course, it was the Southern District of New York and the FBI in New York that raided Epstein's compound here.
We know last week that a whole bunch of new subpoenas went out from the U.S.
Virgin Islands, four people, including Michael Ovitz, Pritzker, one of the founders of Google, and a bunch of other people.
So it's very interesting that it would be the Southern District of New York going after Trump for these charges when there's a whole bunch of people tied to the Epstein case that have not been charged, have not been questioned.
We know 100% that Bill Clinton went on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 27 times to that island and has never been questioned by the New York PD or the FBI or the Southern District of New York or anyone for that matter at this point.
And it's...
It really is a shocking turn of events to juxtapose the Epstein case and this case, because Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for trafficking women, underage girls, to that island, many from New York.
She was sentenced here, and yet none of the people that she was trafficking people to Have you been sentenced yet?
And yet he's bringing these charges against Trump and all I can think is the pendulum you're turning, you're talking about is very dangerous for a lot of people right now on Wall Street and in this elitist class that were Jeffrey Epstein's friends and people that worked with him and obviously were traveling with him.
Yeah, look, so that's why they're very scared and that's why they're lashing out and they're desperate because they know that Trump is going to get back in the White House.
And he's going to get back in the White House.
And they're terrified of that.
Look, and this is the problem that they have with the American people with this stuff, which is the American people are not stupid.
I mean, you know, a lot of them are trying to pay for eggs and, you know, gas and, you know, might not pay attention if they can avoid it.
But now everybody's going to be paying attention.
And, you know, they see the fact that You know, Trump's being charged on this nonsense, but at the same time, why isn't anybody being charged on the Russia hoax, which was an attempted coup and which was treasonous?
Why isn't anybody being charged at Twitter with respect to conspiring with the FBI to hide the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was certainly election interference and was arguably treason?
Um, and so, you know, the American people see this and, um, um, that's, that's why, that's why I think, uh, they badly miscalculated.
That's why I think Trump was, uh, you know, happy to, uh, have the visuals today.
Um, and, uh, look, they, they just handed them, they just handed them the biggest campaign issue that he could have possibly, uh, dreamed of.
So, um, I think they got problems now.
Yeah, and there's a big problem for JPMorgan Chase, another one of these groups at the top.
They also are caught up in the Jeffrey Epstein case, and so if he's saying that these are financial crimes of cooking the books for whatever gain, basically they have Jamie Dimon set up for a For a deposition in the Epstein case because the head of private banking of Chase not only has text messages back and forth with Epstein that insinuate that he's obviously involved in what was ever going on on that island and all over Epstein's properties but at the same time
A lot of the Epstein stuff has to do with financial transactions.
They have already subpoenaed the records of multiple banks, and we know that that's happening, and yet this guy is making it about fraudulent banking in New York City will not fly.
I mean, this has been going on for decades, and here we have people that are obviously attached to that.
And at the same time, we have other financial crimes going on that are connected to New York City.
So I'm wondering what the banking industry is looking at right now that they've made an example of this supposed crime, when these are actual crimes that had victims and are provable and have bank records following them.
Yeah, I mean, look, those are all obvious and correct and self evident points.
And I think that that's why they're so scared, is that they don't have to worry about those things right now.
Because, you know, all of the institutions of government and the, you know, the criminal justice system, look, it's been weaponized, and they're in control of it right now.
And if, you know, and Trump is the one person, he's the one person right now, that if he's put back in the White House, there is going to be a reckoning.
It's not going to happen.
If Ron DeSantis gets in the White House, he is an absolute part of this whole plan.
Rhonda Santas, I think, was hoping and planning that this would occur, thinking that it would actually benefit him.
Again, I think it's just a miscalculation about the American people.
But yeah, look, I mean, you have thousands, going to be thousands of folks rounded up with respect to January 6th, many of whom were completely nonviolent And, you know, there was no property destruction or anything like that.
And they would argue that they were simply exercising their First Amendment rights at the same time.
Look, somebody knows who was on Epstein Island.
I mean, I assume the FBI knows who was there.
I mean, there was a trial about it.
And yet, you know, the FBI and the DOJ, they go to the major cell phone companies And they're able to find the cell phones of every single human being that was on the Capitol premises and go break down their doors, but they can't reveal to the American people who was on Epstein Island.
I mean, it's just, it's to the point where it's so ridiculous that the American people are not going to stand for it anymore.
And so again, while it's obviously a sad day for the American Republic, I mean, At the same time, we're entering a new phase where we get to, you know, we get to rebuild it and to reclaim the rule of law because I think they have played their last card.
You know, obviously they'll throw everything up against the wall and see what sticks and, you know, they're going to rage until the very end.
But I don't think they have any meaningful cards left to play after this.
Yeah, and I like that you bring up a lot that the committees right now that the Republicans now are leading aren't making a lot of moves.
One of the big moves that they're not making, and I know they're trying, some guys are trying, Grassley, Comer, some others, but there's a real issue with the CCP and the Biden family.
And all we keep seeing is a lot of things happening where one after another, the executive orders, what's going on with the border, what's going on with the fossil fuel, what's going on with many different choices that are being made by the Biden regime.
It seems to be that they're handing our country on a platter.
To the CCP really very openly.
At the same time, you know, there's four associates of Hunter Biden that have now given information to the people looking into the Biden family.
But an even bigger question is, why has nobody brought any impeachment or investigation charges against Joe Biden?
For what we do know, we saw a straight up quid pro quo with a whole room at the Council of Foreign Relations clapping because Joe Biden held back aid from From Ukraine of all places, if they didn't fire a prosecutor looking into his son in Burisma, we have, obviously, Biden is involved at least to some extent with his son, with multiple different things, with the Chinese Communist Party, a mayor of Moscow, a whole bunch of other stuff.
So, again, about the pendulum, We do have a lot of evidence about the Bidens, about Hunter's laptop.
We had 51 intelligence agencies lie.
You know, who was really manipulating the election, Donald Trump or the 51 intelligence agencies?
So as for Biden, why is there no action being taken by our side or by conservatives in that realm, in the impeachment realm or in the indictment realm?
So look, I mean, I think the direct answer is they're weak.
I don't know how else to put it.
The House GOP has a couple very clear plenary powers here.
They have the plenary power of the purse.
That means they can cut off every penny that goes to the deep state, any part of the federal government that they want to.
That should be exercised immediately.
They have the power to impeach, which would force trials in the Senate.
Um, and so, you know, they should impeach Biden.
They should impeach Mayorkas.
They should impeach lots of folks.
Um, and, um, they have the power to subpoena.
And, um, you know, I, like, I met Jim Jordan one time.
I, I like him.
He seems like a nice guy.
Um, but, you know, I, I'm not sure if he's up to this moment because, you know, he was on Ria Bartiromo the other day and, um, he was asked, you know, what are you going to do if, uh, if Alvin Bragg doesn't, uh, you know, take up your invitation to just come down to DC and testify?
And you know, really, the answer is he should be subpoenaed.
And if he doesn't show up, he should be held in contempt of Congress.
But he couldn't even bring himself to say that.
So I really think that the GOP needs to get very serious.
They need to understand they're in a street fight.
And there's really one rule in a street fight, and that's to win.
And, you know, we need fighters, we need warriors at every level of government.
And right now, I'm sorry, but you're just not seeing it in Congress.
No, no, we're not.
And another thing that's going on is a lot of people are really asking questions.
You and I have been skeptical.
I've been skeptical the entire time.
I've been skeptical about Ukraine since 2014.
But now, today, Joe Biden announces another $2 billion to Ukraine.
We're talking about now well over $100 billion that I don't even believe America has.
And they're saying that only 60 percent of that money is even getting to Ukraine.
If that, a lot of the weapons are being found in foreign nations and going right through Ukraine outside.
We know before the entire flip from COVID to Ukraine and all the people that jumped with it, Ukraine was known as a very corrupt nation.
We saw, like I said, the quid pro quo with Joe Biden and Burisma.
What did happen, too, is that there's a part of me that believes that there's so much happening that is being disclosed that is negative for the Biden regime and that they are trying very hard to point over here.
Because some of this about Trump might be about a distraction from a lot of things falling apart.
Something that happened this week I found interesting was that Russia actually took their spot at the head of the UN Security Council.
And for people that aren't following that, it was their turn.
That's how it works.
And Ukraine and the US tried to stop it.
The UN can't do that, you know, unceremoniously and just decide that.
And the sad truth that the American people are being lied to is that most of the world is not on our side.
Most of the world is questioning everything.
And we have China and Russia forming an alliance, which If you go back to the beginning of this hundred year plan, I believe that we are in the end phases of and it's failing.
Kissinger, Brzezinski, Rockefeller, the Crown, all these people that had this big grand plan.
The worst thing that could have happened was China and Russia aligning.
So we are at a place geopolitically where these people have made such terrible moves since they were installed in DC.
That our nation is under serious danger of losing not only its standing in the world, the U.S.
dollar being, because of terrible moves, not being the reserve currency anymore, but biggest and most is that China and Russia aligning against us and then watching now Iran, Saudi Arabia, now they're normalizing ties between the two of them.
We got Syria.
We got different nations around the world, the whole BRICS nations.
I mean, these people have gone out of their way, I feel like, this installed regime, to destroy America on the world stage.
And I really do think that it's coming to a head.
And Russia having that position at the UN Security Council is not good, because they claim that they have a lot of evidence about bioweapons labs, about all kinds of Nefarious stuff in Ukraine with the Ukraine embassy and here they're actually going to have the opportunity to also look into the Nord Stream pipeline.
So a lot of this seems to me a little bit the timing is a distraction from bigger picture issues that really are a threat to our country.
Oh, I think that's exactly right.
And, you know, at a certain point, one just has to, you know, kind of make the statistical calculation that, you know, one coincidental massive blunder on the world stage combined with, you know, another combined with, you know, attacks on our infrastructure combined with handing away $100 billion in military equipment and withdrawing from Afghanistan and giving up the Bagram Air Base, you know, all while
The administration, the president and his family are receiving millions of dollars in wire transfers from our most lethal enemy.
I mean, you know, come on.
I mean, at a certain point, you know, it's things don't add up in terms of being coincidental.
So, look, obviously there's various psychological operations aspects to, you know, sort of distracting and, you know, things like that.
So it is interrelated, I think, on multiple fronts.
But we are in serious danger on multiple fronts, you know, from a military standpoint, from an economic, financial standpoint, from the standpoint of our rule of law.
And, you know, again, Now the American people have a choice because nobody can hide anymore.
There is no middle ground at this point.
And, you know, look, I have fundamental faith in the goodness and the ferocity of the American people.
It's in our heritage.
It's in our DNA.
And, you know, now's the time, as Steve Bannon would say, we're in a fourth turning and we're in it.
And so, you know, it's time for everybody to step up.
Yeah, I think something you said before is really important to go back to Ron DeSantis because people keep talking about it.
If Ron DeSantis wanted to do the best thing for this nation, he would continue to make Florida a standout state.
Because I agree with you, I feel like the uniparty cesspool in Washington DC is completely captured.
I don't know if it's a mixture between the CCP and the elitist globalist multinationals and the folks at the World Economic Forum who are one in the same with the UN.
People still have never looked up, as I've said many times.
They've already announced multiple times since 2008 that the UN and the World Economic Forum are basically one in the same.
A lot of people also don't realize that the globalists Entities, the World Health Organization is basically a CCP run organization.
And on top of that, the United Nations, most of the different groups in the United Nations that have any kind of power, if they have any power, which they don't, they really have no authority, but we give it to them because we've been told to.
But a lot of them have at the very top CCP members.
So this whole globalist thing, people can try to separate out like the CCP is different than Then the World Economic Forum are different than this.
But if you pay attention, Klaus Schwab and G had a speech together where Klaus Schwab said that the way the CCP handles its people, meaning the social control, the central bank, digital currency, track and trace surveillance, is the model the world should follow.
So that's why when you're saying that it's no longer like we're there, like this is the next step and the one party system that Joe Biden and his friends are ushering in and the elitist and multinationals want, because they are at this point, people, we, the people still associate the multinationals, the BlackRock Vanguard owned corporations and everything as American companies.
They have long since not been American companies.
And that's where I think the people have to really understand.
Who the enemy is, because I believe that these people with their controlled media, and the media is just as guilty as anyone that is sending our country down the river, they have created a situation in America where we think our enemies are each other.
And I think that's how they're winning this, because they have us fighting each other, they pick minority groups like Every Color Revolution, they give them money, they rile them up, they get them in the streets, which has happened since the riots of 2020 that were not peaceful, that were really a Crack in the armor of America.
And at this point, I think a lot of American people don't really realize that the enemy is bigger than what you're seeing.
And as long as you're focused on the three issues that divide us the best that they use, you're not going to see that the real threat is the end of America, the end of the nation state, as they clearly say all over their websites, and the global governance that they're ushering in.
I mean, just this week, Hollywood's doing a global citizen Concert yet again, and people aren't putting it together that they are being led straight into a communist Chinese system.
Yeah, we're in the greatest fight for freedom in the history of the world.
There is no question about it.
The CCP is essentially the enforcement arm of the World Economic Forum.
You know, and I think, you know, one must be very careful when your enemy is telling you exactly what they want to do.
You know, it's probably a good idea to pay attention to it, right?
And, and look, you see all these attacks across America on our infrastructure.
You have train derailment after train derailment and all these plants being blown up.
And, you know, if you look at that, look, part of part of that is the World Economic Forum has this idea, I think it's called Agenda 230 or something like that, where, you know, the idea is, is that contaminated land can be seized by the government.
And then everybody needs to be put in these 15 minute cities where, you know, you're essentially eating bugs and you're happy about it.
That's exactly what they're trying to do.
It's in the process of happening.
The one wild card and the one thing that has stood in its way, unexpectedly, has been the American people over the past few to several years.
And they know that.
This is the last stand for freedom.
The American people are the wild card.
Um, in their view, and, um, you know, they have to take this risk right now because if Trump, you know, when Trump does get back in office, uh, this is over.
Um, and so they're taking a risk.
Um, and it's sort of like Texas Hold'em.
They're going all in, but, um, I don't think it's going to work out for them.
Yeah, I don't either.
And the one thing that we have to really reiterate to everyone in this country is the states have the power, and the government works for you.
I really think it's very important, like you talk about the Tenth Amendment, anything that's not in the Constitution goes back to the states.
We've got to make sure that our states are acting like it.
We, actually, the people are the government.
And enough people in this country are not, you know, we talked to the last time we did a show about that this time requires sacrifice.
Like, think back to the Founding Fathers and those who fought against the British.
I mean, they were going to lose everything.
We talked about everyone that signed the Declaration of Independence knew that they would be killed, their families murdered, their land taken.
But to them, it was worth it.
It was worth the fight.
And we kind of have to summon up that That spirit of 1776 right now, because what we should be doing is treating our local politicians as if they are employees.
I keep saying to people, what, you hire somebody to work for your company, your town, your neighborhood, your community, your county, and you check in every two to four years?
Well, that's not a recipe for productive and positive growth.
There's also a lot of these people are embedded, these globalists throughout the nation.
A lot of people talk about The World Economic Forum, young global leaders.
Well, they have young global changers.
The UN has a whole contingency of people they train and put out, all in our local communities.
So I think the people out there that are saying, what can I do?
What can we do?
Because demoralization and feeling helpless is part of the plan, and it's working through our media.
You have to say, I'm going to get off my couch and get involved.
I'm going to look at what they're doing at my city council.
Are they putting in sustainable stuff?
Are they putting in Surveillance, track and traces.
Are they using things that sound like Agenda 2030?
Research what that is and what the companies are involved.
Look up who the partners, financial and business partners, of the World Economic Forum are and see if they're in your area.
I really think the American people have to start acting like the government actually works for us instead of assuming that they do.
Yeah, and you're absolutely right about the spirit of 1776.
In a few years, we'll have the 250th anniversary.
And look, the founders, the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor.
They knew what they were getting in for.
I think it was Benjamin Franklin that said, we better all hang together.
We should surely hang separately.
And so we're in the middle of this right now.
And everybody has to be fearless.
You know, that is our heritage.
That is what we come from.
And there will be casualties.
This is going to be a hard fight, and it's going to go on for a few years.
But our forefathers stormed the beaches at Normandy, held a little round top at the Battle of Gettysburg, and we're in a similar situation now.
And it's not an exaggeration.
This is exactly the situation now.
And if anything, the stakes are higher because it's now for all the marbles.
And it's going to be a question of whether the global operating system is tyrannical or it's free for the next 10,000 years.
Right, right.
And just to remind everyone, when Donald Trump says they're not after me, they're after you, he really means this.
And he means the entire nation.
And he means that they have already drafted out how they're going to do this.
They have already implemented what they are calling the Global Public-Private Partnership, which really has nothing to do with the public, us.
It has to do with corporations and banks skipping the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and going right for the people, which the central bank digital currency, the digital ID, the 15-minute cities, Internet of Things, which is already set up.
They have the entire infrastructure for the satellites to do such things as the fourth industrial revolution.
And it's only us that stands in the way.
And a lot of that has to do with the elimination of God and the elimination of believing that we are all endowed by our creator with the ability to create and ingenuity and build this country back to what it should be.
And we all have that ability inside.
But for me, I want people to understand that Donald Trump understood the globalist threat.
He said multiple times in front of the UN, the World Economic Forum, certainly in front of our nation, that we are not a globalist society.
We are the United States of America.
And he understood as he pulled out of UNESCO, which is behind a lot of what's happening to our children in school, the world's curriculum.
You know, he pulled out of the World Health Organization.
I believe that he was not only telling NATO, you better pull your weight, but I think he was walking towards getting rid of it, which they should have a long time ago.
Also, don't forget, he pulled out of the Paris Climate Accords, which they've gone right back into.
And I believe that he was looking at the UN and seeing what is going on here.
Why are we paying for all of it?
Is it benefiting the US?
Which the answer is no.
And I do believe that they had a hundred year plan.
It was very well mapped out.
Brzezinski, Kissinger, Rockefeller, the Crown, they all had kind of their own way to go about this.
They've developed all their people.
They had put people all over the world in positions of power through color revolutions that they could assure it.
And along comes Donald Trump and says, nope, That's not going to happen to the United States.
We're our own nation and we're going to stand for life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness within our borders.
And I think that's why they hate Donald Trump.
I think that they have totally gaslit and propagandized this nation through their media operatives to paint Donald Trump as something he's not.
What he is, is he's somebody who's a proud American that was standing up for America.
And that is the problem, because when you look at who the real enemy is, The real enemy's biggest problem is the people of the United States of America, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
And I believe that a lot of people all around this world, where maybe when I started this journey three, four years ago, there was a couple million, I believe there's a couple billion people awake.
If you look at France, or you look at the Middle East, or you look at, you know, multiple nations, Brazil, all over the world, people are standing up and we're all pointing at the same enemy.
You know, which is the globalist.
So, as you're saying, and as I believe, I believe that what happened today is a wake-up call for those that were not awake.
And bigger than that, you have to really go inside and think, why are they doing this to Donald Trump?
To this extent, that they've gone this far, it can't have anything to do with him.
It has to do with something bigger than him.
And that is what we all must understand, and I believe back him, and like we said before, We need every single state to have the strongest government that goes from local to the governor.
And going forward, one last thing I want to ask you.
We have an election coming up.
If they don't do everything they can to sabotage it.
And I do want the audience to know both Dr. Fauci, who I don't know why he's still out there, and why he has not been subpoenaed.
And certainly we should know why he was funding a lab in China with bioweapons for all these years.
But again, the Biden regime does not want to look into the origins of COVID, nor does it want to investigate Fauci or anyone involved with the COVID to this day, which I believe will also come under Trump.
But at the same time, we really do have to understand that our states have a lot of power.
And do you believe that states right now, attorney generals and states can, I hate to say this and I hate to go this direction, but can't states right now start filing lawsuits against these people if the government, federal government won't do it?
I think they have no choice at this point.
I think that the left has essentially launched nuclear weapons at us with respect to lawfare.
I don't like it.
It's not a good thing for the long term.
But if the right doesn't start responding in kind, there's going to be no end to it.
Look, obviously, I'm a lawyer.
I'm an officer of the court.
And so, you know, everything that I would do has to be, you know, ethical, you know, pursuant to the law.
But from a political standpoint, I think the state attorney generals and district attorneys and governors have no choice but to start responding in kind.
Yeah.
And one last thing before we go, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about January 6th.
So they're putting out a whole bunch of new warrants, I heard, for a whole bunch of people that weren't in the Capitol, but were there.
And like you're saying, if they can trace the cell phones and data and bank records of everyone that was in D.C.
on January 6th, they certainly can trace it for a lot of other criminals.
But, you know, here we are.
Can you give me a little update?
Is anyone helping these people?
Because, again, I don't understand how there's—that nobody in D.C.
can do anything for these people at all.
And then, again, we discussed just earlier, McCarthy says he's going to put out this footage, gives it to Tucker Carlson.
Shouldn't the entire American people, including the lawyers, have access to all of this?
Like, what is going on with January 6?
And what can people do to help out?
Look, so the reality is that the most important thing that people can do for my clients is to go to NCLU.com and to help to fund these cases.
You know, we're up against an opponent with unlimited resources, and we essentially have none, and we need help.
I mean, we're going to fight these things all the way to the end, even if we're living off the land, and that's essentially what we're doing.
That's the most important thing right now as we have these trials that start to take place a couple per month for the next couple years.
But look, the GOP-controlled House needs to stand up for these people.
Strongly worded letters don't help them.
Um, you know, tweets don't help them.
Um, you know, even, you know, walking down to the DC Gulag, while I'm sure it helps the morale of these folks, um, is not really what's, what's the most important thing right now.
The most important thing right now is that they cut off funding for these prosecutions.
Um, and again, you know, as a lawyer in these cases, I, I can't, I won't talk about the merits of these cases.
Um, but you know, this is as much of a political exercise as it is a legal exercise.
And, um, you know, The GOP has the power of the purse.
They should stop it right now.
And they should release these tapes immediately, like tonight.
I mean, you know, this was promised.
This was part of the speaker fight that they made such a big deal about.
Kevin McCarthy said he was going to release these tapes.
They didn't release these tapes.
They let a small number of producers from Tucker's show go down to the Capitol and look at them on a terminal and take a few clips.
He played, you know, a couple minutes of additional clips.
And I think that's a good thing on balance.
I'm glad that that happened.
But it is outrageous that these haven't been released yet.
These tapes are owned by and paid for by the American people.
And not only do they have a right to it from that standpoint, but it's absolutely crucial that we have tens of millions of people looking at all these tens of thousands of hours of videotape because otherwise it is impossible to make heads or tails out of anything because there's so much video.
That just has to happen immediately.
There's no excuse for it.
And I think it's shameful that it hasn't happened yet.
Yeah, me too.
And just to finish up with what happened with Trump today, I guess his next hearing is on December 4th.
He did not get a gag order, which I thought would have been just the final straw, but he didn't, thank God.
And he can still campaign and do what he's got to do.
But I don't know if I have that clip of Joe Biden here, guys, if you do have that clip of Joe Biden talking about Donald Trump.
If we can play that.
If not, it's okay.
I just wanted people to know.
I just have to demonstrate that he will not take power by if we if he does run, making sure he under legitimate efforts of our Constitution does not become the next president again.
It leaves you speechless.
I mean, you know, if, if I were Donald Trump, I would play that video over and over and over again for the next, you know, um, next couple of years.
It's just unbelievable.
Yeah.
I just want to remind the American people, everyone that's watching here, everyone that loves God, country, that supports Donald Trump, that supports America, freedom, liberty, truth, and justice, that the current sitting installed regime, the leader, Biden, basically said he's not going the leader, Biden, basically said he's not going to allow Donald Trump to become president by any means necessary using lawfare, if you translate what he just said.
And again, lawfare is the using of the law to manipulate both the public and the law to take down basically political opposition.
And this is not done in America.
This is a sitting president saying that about a candidate that's running against him that I believe beat him in 2020 and will beat him again.
But in the real time, you know, we have to remember that's where we are and that is who is representing America right now.
Look, the good thing is that he doesn't get to decide.
You know, the American people are going to get to decide.
And actually, what everybody needs to remember as well is that ultimately, under the Constitution, the state legislatures get to decide.
And if we continue to have these issues of massive election fraud, the state legislatures are going to have to look very carefully about reclaiming their power over the time, appointment and manner of the presidential electors.
And they're going to have to make sure that there's a fair process, legitimate process in place as they have the right to do under the Constitution.
Yeah.
And, you know, just for what he said right there, that should be a problem enough for most people.
And and, you know, again, Donald Trump is is resilient.
I mean, people can't even believe how much this guy's been through.
Even today, just keeping his cool.
And, you know, I really have to say, whether you whether you like him or hate him, you have to respect this guy.
And and you know what?
He keeps fighting and he keeps fighting for us because I keep saying he could have gone back to his life and said, you know what?
I tried.
I did the best I could.
You know, they did a coup.
All these people turned on me.
I'm not going back in.
And look at what he's doing.
And I'm really grateful that he continues to fight for us and our country.
And I'm grateful to you for continuing to fight for our country and for the people from January 6th, because now the people from January 6th and Donald Trump have something in common.
They are being railroaded, they are being used, and they are being manipulated by a system that has lost its way.
And we, the people, need to take it back.
Thank you so much, John Pierce, for helping me today.
Thank you so much, Mel.
God bless.
So we come down to the truth about America right now, which is that we, the people of the United States, are the government.
We need to start acting like the government.
We need to remember more than anything else.
And the thing that matters the most is that our future is on the line.
This is a great nation.
We can rebuild it.
We have leadership that can do this.
And that leadership right now is pointing right to Donald Trump.
So I want to thank everyone for joining me on the Stone Zone and for remembering every single day that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not just handed to us, that we have to fight for it.
We gotta make sure that our children live in this country that is great and that gives them every opportunity because right now we are in serious danger.
And I just, God bless everyone that's watching.
God bless America.
And thank you so much for joining me. - Looks like you've been sleeping well.
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